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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: D-TalkX on June 20, 2010, 09:08:09 PM
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This CD is dope as hellllll. Lyrics, beats, meets all fanbases I have a feeling this will sell really well.
Only songs i'm not big on are the 2 singles.
Tons of good releases to come this year...braaaaaapppp ha
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eh i like the 2 bonus tracks better than the cd
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How...Bonus tracks are sick for sure but like this CD is tight...it's not the same ol shit it's got a lot of unique production techniques...lyrics as usual and a dope concept.
i'm sure there will be haters as usual but really give it another shot theres mad substance on this disc
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I think its tied with encore for his worst album.
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I think its tied with encore for his worst album.
I think encore was slightly shittier.. but thats not saying much..
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If this is considered "dope as hell", y'all seriously need to get out there and listen to more music. There's a lot better shit than this.
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you really needed to make a new topic for this?
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after two listens i find the album boring, like one long song with the same flow all over again .the only thing that sticks into my head is the annoying female vocalist on Almost Famous .the bonus track with slaughterhouse( or was it just crooked ) sounded a lot better than the whole album
but iīll give it a chance , maybe itīs one of those records that needs a few spins
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I got the album on Friday. I didn't listen to any of the leaks and I have to say the album is FIRE. Everyone is saying there is better albums out this year, like what? I want to know what's better?
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Relapse was better...
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them some boring as beats,like no rhythm at all,like tut said one long ass song haha, em lyrically will always be superior with the way he puts his rhymes together,but for people to act like these beats are so ill they lying, they might be eq'd and all that real good but that's about it,relapse had harder beats,a couple of songs go but overall this shit puts me to sleep, jimmy definitely pulled off the urban/pop on this album and that was the biggest accomplishment yell
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Yeah, threadstarter, change your opinion because other people don't like this album. ::)
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If this is considered "dope as hell", y'all seriously need to get out there and listen to more music. There's a lot better shit than this.
umm...there is??? What like Drake?
We can all have our opinions but everyone on here has said...this is wack or isn't good...no one has given any evidence.
what makes a good album??? to me...beats (yes I like these beats theres actually substance to them, if you produce i am sure you would agree and if you don't...turn ur shit up)
lyrics - it's eminem that's a given, disagree with that and you're a jealous hater plain and simple. Whether you like him or not you can deny his wordplay, flow and lyricism....look those three things up if you grew up on Rick Ross, Drake etc because I am sure you aren't too familiar.
I got the album on Friday. I didn't listen to any of the leaks and I have to say the album is FIRE. Everyone is saying there is better albums out this year, like what? I want to know what's better?
this guy is with me, clearly he's "listened" as opposed to been jealous. Throw out your rhyme books people and uninstall Fruityloops the shit you clink away at during your lunch hour just won't cut it to anyone's ears but your own.
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Yeah, threadstarter, change your opinion because other people don't like this album. ::)
Do you have an opinion to offer or are you just being smart? This would be a boring ass forum if everyone agreed and dickrode every album brought up. I see you comment plenty on things you don't like (ie, Game's leaks from RED). Allow others to do the same, and offer a retort if you feel differently.
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I got the album on Friday. I didn't listen to any of the leaks and I have to say the album is FIRE. Everyone is saying there is better albums out this year, like what? I want to know what's better?
To be honest I haven't listened to as much music as I did last year. But most of what I have listened to is better than Recovery
Fornever - Murs & 9th Wonder
The Good Sun - Homeboy Sandman
Stimulus Package - Freeway and Jake One
In Search of Stoney Jackson - Strong Arm Steady
Revolutions per Minute - Reflection Eternal
Distant Relatives - Nas & Damien Marley
All those records skeet on Recovery. Of course that's my opinion. However I would encourage you to check them out if you haven't already.
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I will check them out. i wasn't into Distant Relatives but the others I'll check out. Looking fwd to the Roots based on their 2 singles...I never listened to them but now i'm ready to jump on board...good music, is good music.
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Yeah, threadstarter, change your opinion because other people don't like this album. ::)
Do you have an opinion to offer or are you just being smart? This would be a boring ass forum if everyone agreed and dickrode every album brought up. I see you comment plenty on things you don't like (ie, Game's leaks from RED). Allow others to do the same, and offer a retort if you feel differently.
Yeah, I do.
I think most of you went into this album with the thought "I'm not going to like this album" & therefore went extra critical when reviewing it; after one spin people were throwing up reviews of 4/10; how do you possibly rate an album after one spin?
When most of the hate is "I didn't feel the soul of the album" or "It sounds so forced" that's almost as bad as when you guys who don't Slaughterhouse said "I didn't feel the production".
Yet Drake has Kanye giving him 808 beats with cheap, catchy singing & that's fine.
Judging by the list of albums you think is "better than this" (you're entitled to your opinion), Eminem is clearly not for you; it basically screams against everything those albums are.
Eminem is a huge name, with one of the largest fanbases, with "top of the line production" (big names) & has a thing about it like "Oh, it's Eminem, it's good".
Whereas all those albums you named have lesser known production that fits the direction of the album with lesser known names that don't get all the hype & such.
I love Strong Arm Steady, but that music is completely different with a different purpose.
The only thing that makes me shake my head is that everytime there is a "Recovery" thread the same names keep popping in & out to give the same exact opinion they gave in the other 10 threads; it's like you want to make a distinct point that you didn't like the album; you didn't like the return of Eminem & are turned off by it's hype.
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Not gonna lie that was a pretty dope reply....makes a lot of sense...very smart outlook
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Yeah, threadstarter, change your opinion because other people don't like this album. ::)
Do you have an opinion to offer or are you just being smart? This would be a boring ass forum if everyone agreed and dickrode every album brought up. I see you comment plenty on things you don't like (ie, Game's leaks from RED). Allow others to do the same, and offer a retort if you feel differently.
Yeah, I do.
I think most of you went into this album with the thought "I'm not going to like this album" & therefore went extra critical when reviewing it; after one spin people were throwing up reviews of 4/10; how do you possibly rate an album after one spin?
Actually a lot of people were excited considering he let us know he was dropping the accent. Where are you getting this from? It sounds like something you're just making up to attack anyone who doesn't like it.
Well I for one can tell after one spin whether I like an album or not. And now you're assuming that the people with positive reviews listened to it many times before throwing a rating up, and the others didn't. Face it, you're reaching. I always see you attacking the person reviewing, instead of the review itself. Stannish behavior.
When most of the hate is "I didn't feel the soul of the album" or "It sounds so forced" that's almost as bad as when you guys who don't Slaughterhouse said "I didn't feel the production".
I didn't think anything was wrong with the production. But for those who did, critiquing production is legit. Face it, production is the single most important part of hip hop. And this is coming from a guy who loves lyricists. It's music, if the musical aspect of it doesn't sound good then who would want to listen to it? That said, I liked most of the production on both Recovery and Slaughterhouse.
Yet Drake has Kanye giving him 808 beats with cheap, catchy singing & that's fine.
It is? From what I remember that album was criticized as well. But I didn't hear you jumping in to defend Drake. I wonder why? ::) Fyi, I haven't even listened to that album. I asked in that thread if it was an album for the bitches and the reply was yes, so I didn't even bother listening.
Judging by the list of albums you think is "better than this" (you're entitled to your opinion), Eminem is clearly not for you; it basically screams against everything those albums are.
How would you know what is and isn't for me? I happen to listen to a wide-variety of hip hop. I was listening to dude in 99, now why the fuck would I be even bothering to listen to his music now, 7 albums deep if I didn't like him? It's like the same thing with that Dre track, if they make music that isn't up to par I'm going to critique it. It doesn't take away from their previous accomplishments.
Eminem is a huge name, with one of the largest fanbases, with "top of the line production" (big names) & has a thing about it like "Oh, it's Eminem, it's good".
Whereas all those albums you named have lesser known production that fits the direction of the album with lesser known names that don't get all the hype & such.
I love Strong Arm Steady, but that music is completely different with a different purpose.
Yes, they are different. But I was just listing albums that are better, I wasn't aware I had to limit my response to popular music from pissed off crazy white boys. I listen to both underground and mainstream. Underground tends to impress me more, for obvious reasons.
The only thing that makes me shake my head is that everytime there is a "Recovery" thread the same names keep popping in & out to give the same exact opinion they gave in the other 10 threads; it's like you want to make a distinct point that you didn't like the album; you didn't like the return of Eminem & are turned off by it's hype.
Again, what is wrong with giving criticism? There's only two recovery threads and at least people are pointing out what they don't like about the album. You come into these threads attacking any type of criticism, legit or not. What exactly is the point of a forum if not for that? And yet you do the exact same type of criticism when it comes to other rappers like Drake or Game. I mean, you even have Em's album cover as your signature, clearly you are getting offended and feeling like you have to ride for him. It's just music dude, Eminem could care less that you're attacking the people who didn't like the album.
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Yeah, threadstarter, change your opinion because other people don't like this album. ::)
Do you have an opinion to offer or are you just being smart? This would be a boring ass forum if everyone agreed and dickrode every album brought up. I see you comment plenty on things you don't like (ie, Game's leaks from RED). Allow others to do the same, and offer a retort if you feel differently.
Yeah, I do.
I think most of you went into this album with the thought "I'm not going to like this album" & therefore went extra critical when reviewing it; after one spin people were throwing up reviews of 4/10; how do you possibly rate an album after one spin?
Actually a lot of people were excited considering he let us know he was dropping the accent. Where are you getting this from? It sounds like something you're just making up to attack anyone who doesn't like it.
Well I for one can tell after one spin whether I like an album or not. And now you're assuming that the people with positive reviews listened to it many times before throwing a rating up, and the others didn't. Face it, you're reaching. I always see you attacking the person reviewing, instead of the review itself. Stannish behavior.
When most of the hate is "I didn't feel the soul of the album" or "It sounds so forced" that's almost as bad as when you guys who don't Slaughterhouse said "I didn't feel the production".
I didn't think anything was wrong with the production. But for those who did, critiquing production is legit. Face it, production is the single most important part of hip hop. And this is coming from a guy who loves lyricists. It's music, if the musical aspect of it doesn't sound good then who would want to listen to it? That said, I liked most of the production on both Recovery and Slaughterhouse.
Yet Drake has Kanye giving him 808 beats with cheap, catchy singing & that's fine.
It is? From what I remember that album was criticized as well. But I didn't hear you jumping in to defend Drake. I wonder why? ::) Fyi, I haven't even listened to that album. I asked in that thread if it was an album for the bitches and the reply was yes, so I didn't even bother listening.
Judging by the list of albums you think is "better than this" (you're entitled to your opinion), Eminem is clearly not for you; it basically screams against everything those albums are.
How would you know what is and isn't for me? I happen to listen to a wide-variety of hip hop. I was listening to dude in 99, now why the fuck would I be even bothering to listen to his music now, 7 albums deep if I didn't like him? It's like the same thing with that Dre track, if they make music that isn't up to par I'm going to critique it. It doesn't take away from their previous accomplishments.
Eminem is a huge name, with one of the largest fanbases, with "top of the line production" (big names) & has a thing about it like "Oh, it's Eminem, it's good".
Whereas all those albums you named have lesser known production that fits the direction of the album with lesser known names that don't get all the hype & such.
I love Strong Arm Steady, but that music is completely different with a different purpose.
Yes, they are different. But I was just listing albums that are better, I wasn't aware I had to limit my response to popular music from pissed off crazy white boys. I listen to both underground and mainstream. Underground tends to impress me more, for obvious reasons.
The only thing that makes me shake my head is that everytime there is a "Recovery" thread the same names keep popping in & out to give the same exact opinion they gave in the other 10 threads; it's like you want to make a distinct point that you didn't like the album; you didn't like the return of Eminem & are turned off by it's hype.
Again, what is wrong with giving criticism? There's only two recovery threads and at least people are pointing out what they don't like about the album. You come into these threads attacking any type of criticism, legit or not. What exactly is the point of a forum if not for that? And yet you do the exact same type of criticism when it comes to other rappers like Drake or Game. I mean, you even have Em's album cover as your signature, clearly you are getting offended and feeling like you have to ride for him. It's just music dude, Eminem could care less that you're attacking the people who didn't like the album.
I'll go in order, I suppose.
1. So you mean to tell me you were hyped? Out of all the releases this year, you were excited about this? Sure, people were "excited"; face it, people would of been excited if he said there was an accent too lol.
Well if the album drops & 5 posts into the discussion thread there is a review, it's a safe bet he only listened to it once & somebody who posts a review on page 13 LIKELY heard it more than once lol.
2. The Slaughterhouse production was just an example of "false hatred"; there was nothing wrong with the Slaughterhouse production, even if they weren't your favorite beats it CERTAINLY wasn't bad enough to take away from the album.
Some people had a problem with Recovery's production & that's fine, I can understand, people wanted Dre & shit; but my point was the critiques were "The music had no soul", "The music didn't feel real or geniune"; what kind of bullshit critique is that? lmfao. That's just "Well, I really have nothing that bad to say about it, so let me say something nobody can question me on" lol.
3. I didn't defend Drake because the album wasn't good lol. His best songs were on the mixtape he dropped last Summer & I feel he came up with weaker material for the album; but also, my reasons for not liking the album are that for an album based around singing, he doesn't have that great a voice; he can make a catchy hook, but didn't really come through with many; "Bout to get these niggas nervous, PROM NIGHT NIGGA"; just one example of 100 corny punchlines. I can bump some of the album, but it's nothing special; especially for the hype, which is my point here; you did the same thing, saw the hype & attacked it when it did live up to your sky high standards of underground perfection lol.
But I have reasons for not liking the album. Not, "Drake didn't sound like he 'meant' what he was saying" lmao.
4. So getting back to point number one with "you being hyped", you mean to tell me after a gradual decline in music from Eminem over the last 11 years, you expected that same "good Eminem"? I doubt it, you went into it thinking, "Ehh, maybe without the accent it'll be better than Relapse, but that isn't saying much" lol.
Also, sure, you listen to a wide variety, but you just said that you prefer Underground Hip Hop; what kind of mainstream album, pushed & directed by a label would meet up to those standards?
5. Underground "impresses" me more too, but I'm curious to hear a mainstream project that you liked; not going to lie, you come off as a Hip Hop purest.
Also, as I said, you're entitled to your opinion, I'm not saying you're wrong for thinking any of those albums are better than Recovery at all. That's not what catches my attention, it's just I don't feel it was given a fair chance; I feel as if too much bias (from everybody) went into it from the start.
6. What do you mean? I'm saying a few people keep saying the same thing, you can make whatever point you want; but why make the same point 30 times for the same piece of work?
I critique Game song by song, I don't generalize & say he's wack all around; I've openly admitted to loving The Documentary & Doctors Advocate, LAX didn't do it for me.
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Speaking of critiques, I criticized Eminem after his "Despicable" freestyle saying he's been yelling on a track since his "Forever" feature & people called me a hater, now I show support & I'm a stan? So while we're talking about forums, why is it when I defend someone I'm a "stan" & when I'm critiquing I'm "hating"?
You call me a stan & I rate this album around a 7/10, as did most people who supported it; you look at me like I deemed it a Hip Hop classic; it doesn't have any songs that I would even consider a classic lol.
Is it my fault some of you guys are extremists? I see reviews on here, albums are either 9/10 or 4/10; it's like some of you never heard the term average/good, just "classic" & "awful" lol.
Not to mention, I have no problem with anyone having anything against the album, just have a reason, state it (a few times at most) & be done with it; no point repeating yourself about how it's not good when there isn't even a proper reason behind not liking it.
Most importantly lol @ you telling me to "give an opinion", I do & you call me a stan when you knew I was going to defend the album lol.
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1. So you mean to tell me you were hyped? Out of all the releases this year, you were excited about this? Sure, people were "excited"; face it, people would of been excited if he said there was an accent too lol.
I took the wait and see approach. But people were loving that "Not Afraid" song when it dropped.
Well if the album drops & 5 posts into the discussion thread there is a review, it's a safe bet he only listened to it once & somebody who posts a review on page 13 LIKELY heard it more than once lol.
Could be. But I don't think the negative reviews were all on the first page. And if you don't like an album, it really doesn't take more than one listen. Like it wouldn't take me more than one listen to know I'd dislike a Soulja Boy album.
2. The Slaughterhouse production was just an example of "false hatred"; there was nothing wrong with the Slaughterhouse production, even if they weren't your favorite beats it CERTAINLY wasn't bad enough to take away from the album.
Why not? Would A Tribe Called Quest's albums still be classics with average beats? What about the Chronic? And from what I remember no one shitted on the album. It was more along the lines of it wasn't as good as it could have been. Which is often what separates good albums from great ones.
Some people had a problem with Recovery's production & that's fine, I can understand, people wanted Dre & shit; but my point was the critiques were "The music had no soul", "The music didn't feel real or geniune"; what kind of bullshit critique is that? lmfao. That's just "Well, I really have nothing that bad to say about it, so let me say something nobody can question me on" lol.
that was all that Action guy, and he says that about everything he doesn't like. So you have a problem with one poster who isn't even in this thread, lol.
3. I didn't defend Drake because the album wasn't good lol. His best songs were on the mixtape he dropped last Summer & I feel he came up with weaker material for the album; but also, my reasons for not liking the album are that for an album based around singing, he doesn't have that great a voice; he can make a catchy hook, but didn't really come through with many; "Bout to get these niggas nervous, PROM NIGHT NIGGA"; just one example of 100 corny punchlines. I can bump some of the album, but it's nothing special; especially for the hype, which is my point here; you did the same thing, saw the hype & attacked it when it did live up to your sky high standards of underground perfection lol.
that was one of my issues with Recovery actually
4. So getting back to point number one with "you being hyped", you mean to tell me after a gradual decline in music from Eminem over the last 11 years, you expected that same "good Eminem"? I doubt it, you went into it thinking, "Ehh, maybe without the accent it'll be better than Relapse, but that isn't saying much" lol.
I wouldn't call it a gradual decline, more like a misstep with Encore and then semi-retirement. Relapse was supposed to be his comeback, and a lot of that album clicked for me except the accent ruined it which was a big disappointment. Then he says he's giving up the accent. So yes, I was expecting a better album. Not a masterpiece, but I wasn't expecting him to ruin the album with singing and another type of accent.
Also, sure, you listen to a wide variety, but you just said that you prefer Underground Hip Hop; what kind of mainstream album, pushed & directed by a label would meet up to those standards?
5. Underground "impresses" me more too, but I'm curious to hear a mainstream project that you liked; not going to lie, you come off as a Hip Hop purest.
I like albums that have that mainstream appeal while still maintaining quality. Nas albums, Dre albums, Jay-Z albums, 50 Cent's first album, Game's first album, Ludacris's first couple albums, Em's first three albums, etc. A Drake album that appeals mainly to the bitches is not my cup of tea. Also, I would hesitate to call rappers like Talib Kweli underground, based on the fact that they have gotten their records played and been somewhat successful.
As far as me finding better music in the underground, its not about them being underground, but its simply that there's a lot more of them. Think about it, there's only a limited amount of hip hop songs getting played on the radio at any given time, meanwhile there's hundreds of underground artists putting out albums. And there's also the fact that the artist can focus more on making good music as opposed to being influenced by execs at a record label, or trying to get that pop single to appeal to the females.
6. What do you mean? I'm saying a few people keep saying the same thing, you can make whatever point you want; but why make the same point 30 times for the same piece of work?
And yet you do the same thing
I critique Game song by song, I don't generalize & say he's wack all around; I've openly admitted to loving The Documentary & Doctors Advocate, LAX didn't do it for me.
Yes, and that's what people are doing for Em. Everyone loved his first few albums, and a lot of those people don't feel his last two albums. That doesn't make them haters.
Speaking of critiques, I criticized Eminem after his "Despicable" freestyle saying he's been yelling on a track since his "Forever" feature & people called me a hater, now I show support & I'm a stan? So while we're talking about forums, why is it when I defend someone I'm a "stan" & when I'm critiquing I'm "hating"?
It's the way you go about it which is stannish. Instead of commenting on the album in defense, you are attacking the people making the comments. You'll come into a thread and not even drop an opinion, just shit on the people there.
You call me a stan & I rate this album around a 7/10, as did most people who supported it; you look at me like I deemed it a Hip Hop classic; it doesn't have any songs that I would even consider a classic lol.
So why get upset that people don't like it? There isn't a single classic on there. You rate it a 7/10 and you said yourself that you probably enjoy Em's subpar material more than the average music listener. So you should expect that people think its worse than you do. 5/10 seems reasonable.
Is it my fault some of you guys are extremists? I see reviews on here, albums are either 9/10 or 4/10; it's like some of you never heard the term average/good, just "classic" & "awful" lol.
I don't like Recovery as much as some of the albums I consider average.
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just picked up the album yesterday
initially I was dissapointed but after repeated listens I don't mind it, probably like relapse better because of the beats and hooks with less singing
I was really hoping he'd come through with more of the recent deliveries/styles he used on Beautiful, deja vu, underground, my darling & careful what you wish for, in my opinion he really tapped into that classic eminem type shit in those songs
in my opinion the main problem with the album was that he kind of used the same shouting type delivery on basically every song & too many singing hooks anybody agree with this?
Though saying that overall I don't mind it & will probably grow to like it like with relapse, the beats are pretty good & he has some pretty good lyrics I think going through changes is incredibly dope
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the eminem masters wont admit he has released wack albums...lol
I think its tied with encore for his worst album.
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When most of the hate is "I didn't feel the soul of the album" or "It sounds so forced" that's almost as bad as when you guys who don't Slaughterhouse said "I didn't feel the production".
Do you not realize that, at the end of the day, it always boils down to this? You either feel it or you don't. When someone is saying they don't feel the soul of the album or the production values, it's just them trying to describe why they ain't feeling it. It's not hate when someone states that, it's just them providing an opinion. There's no difference if someone said they loved the album due to it's production or the soul of the album.
The only thing that makes me shake my head is that everytime there is a "Recovery" thread the same names keep popping in & out to give the same exact opinion they gave in the other 10 threads; it's like you want to make a distinct point that you didn't like the album; you didn't like the return of Eminem & are turned off by it's hype.
This is what everyone does around here. The difference is you take an exception when you like something and you don't want to read any opposing/negative commentary.
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in my opinion the main problem with the album was that he kind of used the same shouting type delivery on basically every song & too many singing hooks anybody agree with this?
Completely agree with ya there bro. I liked the album, have given it quite a few spins, and I'm gonna cop it when I see it in store and give it some more spins. But yeah the singing took away from some of the songs, and his angry delivery got a bit monotonous on some tracks. He should of just reached out to some better singers, I mean fuck even Drake would of sounded better singing on some of those tracks lol. Some tracks it sounded like he was trying too hard, and I think this must be where Action gets the feeling that the emotion is forced etc. Too me though, this is still a dope album.
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I got the album on Friday. I didn't listen to any of the leaks and I have to say the album is FIRE. Everyone is saying there is better albums out this year, like what? I want to know what's better?
To be honest I haven't listened to as much music as I did last year. But most of what I have listened to is better than Recovery
Fornever - Murs & 9th Wonder
The Good Sun - Homeboy Sandman
Stimulus Package - Freeway and Jake One
In Search of Stoney Jackson - Strong Arm Steady
Revolutions per Minute - Reflection Eternal
Distant Relatives - Nas & Damien Marley
All those records skeet on Recovery. Of course that's my opinion. However I would encourage you to check them out if you haven't already.
From those albums you listed I have
Revolutions per Minute - Reflection Eternal
Distant Relatives - Nas & Damien Marley
Stimulus Package - Freeway and Jake One
All were dope albums (Distant Relatives being my favorite) but Freeway & Talib Kweli flows & wordplay aint on Em's level. I like the angry flow, it goes with the lyrics that his spitting. I would of liked to see some more Dre tracks or even a Kanye or Preemo beat & would love a Royce feature instead of Lil Wayne but when I look at the other albums I have bought this year Recovery stands out the most to me.
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Freeway had the album of the year for me.Classic hip hop.
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Eminem is about as dope now as Michael Jordan would be if he came back to the NBA.
I've said it before and I will say it again, Eminem has already fullfilled his destiny, he has nothing left to do in hip-hop. That's not a disrespect to him, but just like the Relapse cd, all you guys came on here saying how dope it was felt like you were slighted when a year or so later Eminem himself admitted it was wack. THE SAME THING WILL HAPPEN WITH THIS ALBUM. Years from now Em will admit that his best work was from 98-2003 and that after that he was never the same.
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em hasnt done enough to secure his level of greatness...he isnt no scarface
so IMO the jordan comparison wont and dont work
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em hasnt done enough to secure his level of greatness...he isnt no scarface
so IMO the jordan comparison wont and dont work
Scarface jerk off on eminem ;)
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I honestly cant understand the hatred on this forum towards not only Eminem's new shit, but Dr. Dre's Under Pressure leak. I've played both to people who aren't so much "west coast rap" fans and they all liked what they heard. I wont say much about Dre's leak other than it sounds futuristic and a bit dancy, which is the future of rap IMO as thats just where music around the world is going at the moment.
As far as this whole album, Alot of the songs to me are very emotional and Eminem is back to spitting his best and shows a rebirth in terms of subject matter. The production is good I think it suits the direction of the album. Don't get me wrong, I love a Dre produced album and I do like Relapse, but Recovery is so much better.
Recovery is easily better than Encore and Relapse. It might even be better than The Eminem Show in my book. I just can't understand the hate at all. Is it just this forum? I think some hip hop fans are living in the past and are unwilling to move onto new styles craving everything to be the same as 1993 or 1995 or 1988 or 2001. Fact is everything has to evolve and I appreciate the evolution. After the crap we had from the likes of Soldier Boy I'm glad that some artists are steering rap into a better future
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he has rihanna on his album... :-X
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he has rihanna on his album... :-X
So did T.I. lol.
So did Jay-Z.
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exactly and thats why they arent on scarface level
look ima big face fan but damn when he got t.i. and wayne on his album...that was a step down his level that he shouldnt have done
but em and jay-z are droppin pop albums
he has rihanna on his album... :-X
So did T.I. lol.
So did Jay-Z.
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exactly and thats why they arent on scarface level
look ima big face fan but damn when he got t.i. and wayne on his album...that was a step down his level that he shouldnt have done
but em and jay-z are droppin pop albums
he has rihanna on his album... :-X
So did T.I. lol.
So did Jay-Z.
You're right, they aren't; they are both above it. ;D
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they are both overrated...but see since t.i., wayne and jay-z have sold more records they are better and they are kings and this shit
when scarface drops some of the dopest muzik period
i mean he has dropped one of the dopest songs in years...jay-z, t.i., and wayne havent and dont got nuthin on that one song IMO
exactly and thats why they arent on scarface level
look ima big face fan but damn when he got t.i. and wayne on his album...that was a step down his level that he shouldnt have done
but em and jay-z are droppin pop albums
he has rihanna on his album... :-X
So did T.I. lol.
So did Jay-Z.
You're right, they aren't; they are both above it. ;D
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Not really.
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I can't believe some people are saying that this album is as good or better than the Eminem Show! If Em himself would never go that far. The Eminem show is a flawless record 5 mic classic!
I think its been too long since many of you have heard the Eminem show album but seriously play that album and then play this one and you will see that nothing on the new one can fuck with lyrics like this...
"u remember when ronnie died and you said u wished it was me/
well guess what I am dead, dead to you as can be!"
"Burry my face in comic books/
cause I don't want to look at nothin/
This worlds too much/
I swallowed all I could/
If I could swallow a bottle of tylenol I would/
To end it for good/
say goodbye to hollywood!"
"If I'm a criminal
how the fuck could I raise a little girl
I couldnt
I wouldnt be fit to..
Your full of shit too guerera
that was a FIST that hit you!"
man, the irony and timeliness, creativity, the storytelling and sincerity he packed into every one of the lines on that album can never be matched by him again, that was a rapper in his prime at the top of his game!
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I can't believe some people are saying that this album is as good or better than the Eminem Show! If Em himself would never go that far. The Eminem show is a flawless record 5 mic classic!
I think its been too long since many of you have heard the Eminem show album but seriously play that album and then play this one and you will see that nothing on the new one can fuck with lyrics like this...
"u remember when ronnie died and you said u wished it was me/
well guess what I am dead, dead to you as can be!"
"Burry my face in comic books/
cause I don't want to look at nothin/
There's worlds too much/
I swallowed all I could/
If I could swallow a bottle of tylenol I would/
To end it for good/
say goodbye to hollywood!"
"If I'm a criminal
how the fuck could I raise a little girl
I couldnt
I wouldnt be fit to..
Your full of shit too guerera
that was a FIST that hit you!"
man, the irony and timeliness, creativity, the storytelling and sincerity he packed into every one of the lines on that album can never be matched by him again, that was a rapper in his prime at the top of his game!
I don't know about The Eminem Show being a "certified, 5 mic, classic"; but I agree it's easily better than Recovery.
I'd say Recovery is his best work since The Eminem Show though.
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u cant be serious about the eminem show.
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I can't believe some people are saying that this album is as good or better than the Eminem Show! If Em himself would never go that far. The Eminem show is a flawless record 5 mic classic!
I think its been too long since many of you have heard the Eminem show album but seriously play that album and then play this one and you will see that nothing on the new one can fuck with lyrics like this...
"u remember when ronnie died and you said u wished it was me/
well guess what I am dead, dead to you as can be!"
"Burry my face in comic books/
cause I don't want to look at nothin/
There's worlds too much/
I swallowed all I could/
If I could swallow a bottle of tylenol I would/
To end it for good/
say goodbye to hollywood!"
"If I'm a criminal
how the fuck could I raise a little girl
I couldnt
I wouldnt be fit to..
Your full of shit too guerera
that was a FIST that hit you!"
man, the irony and timeliness, creativity, the storytelling and sincerity he packed into every one of the lines on that album can never be matched by him again, that was a rapper in his prime at the top of his game!
I don't know about The Eminem Show being a "certified, 5 mic, classic"; but I agree it's easily better than Recovery.
I'd say Recovery is his best work since The Eminem Show though.
I'm not even speaking subjectively when I say The Eminem Show is a flawless 5 mic classic masterpiece.
We all have albums that subjectively speaking we feel are classics because they have sentimental value, like Crucial Conflicts first album is an example of an album thats a classic for me personally but I would never say is a classic objectively speaking.
But The Eminem Show IS a bonafied classic record objectively speaking for any genre and age that album is FLAWLESS. In fact I remember a Rolling Stone review of the album when it came out called it the PERFECT record, and everyone at this forum from rock fans like Trauma and west coast heads were all saying the same thing that it was a Classic album and best they'd ever heard!
I think people are just forgetting what it was really like back then when the album dropped maybe later I will pull up some old threads.
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tes a 5 mic classic? damn
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I honestly cant understand the hatred on this forum towards not only Eminem's new shit, but Dr. Dre's Under Pressure leak. I've played both to people who aren't so much "west coast rap" fans and they all liked what they heard. I wont say much about Dre's leak other than it sounds futuristic and a bit dancy, which is the future of rap IMO as thats just where music around the world is going at the moment.
As far as this whole album, Alot of the songs to me are very emotional and Eminem is back to spitting his best and shows a rebirth in terms of subject matter. The production is good I think it suits the direction of the album. Don't get me wrong, I love a Dre produced album and I do like Relapse, but Recovery is so much better.
Recovery is easily better than Encore and Relapse. It might even be better than The Eminem Show in my book. I just can't understand the hate at all. Is it just this forum? I think some hip hop fans are living in the past and are unwilling to move onto new styles craving everything to be the same as 1993 or 1995 or 1988 or 2001. Fact is everything has to evolve and I appreciate the evolution. After the crap we had from the likes of Soldier Boy I'm glad that some artists are steering rap into a better future
I agree 100% with you, well said.
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I think this is a superb album with intensity, introspection, honesty, witty punchlines, nice production and he is hungry.
It's an 8/10 for me and it it is an album with replay value, I think he made this album as opposed to the album making him. I guess this goes to show just how differently we can interpret something and as for a subjective classic and a no questions classic, I am not sure what that means, since it's all subjective.
Even Love The Way You Lie which I feared would be a horrible song, turns out to be a very enjoyable one, yes the hook from Rhianna gives it pop appeal but it's not like the lyrics are watered down. In fact throughout this album, the rhymes are extremely tight.
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I think the album is pretty dope
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This album wasnt bad....it was just wasnt good...not even close to great =/ I was so fucking dissapointed. He doesnt have any emotinons anymore he just gets loud thats it....some of the tracks are kind of commercial but people will say oh it has substance! relax.....and the singing he did on Im Not Afraid lmao horrible...the hook tried to be epic it was corny...but enough bout that song lol. He sounds emo sometimes with no anger at all.....it seemed empty. I'm not convinced by the weak punchlines and no accent slow rapping over slow half ass beats. That doesnt mean eminem is back, keep in mind i think this was a HUGE STEP UP from his last two albums but damn =/
Maybe i just miss Marshal Mathers lol, but seriously....The album got boring after a play or two and it felt empty...the substance tracks even felt forced. No raw emotion like I'm used to from eminem.
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This album wasnt bad....it was just wasnt good...not even close to great =/ I was so fucking dissapointed. He doesnt have any emotinons anymore he just gets loud thats it....some of the tracks are kind of commercial but people will say oh it has substance! relax.....and the singing he did on Im Not Afraid lmao horrible...the hook tried to be epic it was corny...but enough bout that song lol. He sounds emo sometimes with no anger at all.....it seemed empty. I'm not convinced by the weak punchlines and no accent slow rapping over slow half ass beats. That doesnt mean eminem is back, keep in mind i think this was a HUGE STEP UP from his last two albums but damn =/
Maybe i just miss Marshal Mathers lol, but seriously....The album got boring after a play or two and it felt empty...the substance tracks even felt forced. No raw emotion like I'm used to from eminem.
Co-sign!
that sums up my feelings on the album!
It is a step up from Relapse, but I just think it's a terrible disrespect to Eminem's previous work for anyone to say Recovery is as good as any of his work from 98-2003.
I'm just trying to defend Eminem's legacy because he may be the greatest rapper that ever lived. so the legacy and greatness of albums such as The Eminem Show should not so easily be forgotten.
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Well anybody who expects Recovery to have tracks like Stan, Drug Ballad, My words are weapons, If I get locked up tonight, Cleaning out my Closet, 8 Mile, Lose yourself, Kill you, Rock Bottom, Role Model, The way I am etc is just kidding himself.
It's 2010. It can not happen. Ever.
You should just take this as a 2010 album and not as something that gets you back to Eminem around 2000, cause if you take it as the latter the only theoretically possible outcome is going to be a disappointment.
It is def remarkable how he released 2 albums who are so very different within 1 year after being fucked up as hell for several years, so take it as major progress, cause that is what it is.
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My expectations were super high especially since he was working with outside producers, two of them I rank in my top 5 new producers.
I was expecting something monstrous from Khalil and Just Blaze. Instead I found a weird album with tracks full of odd choruses and pop sensible singles.
Based on Forever and Drop The World I thought it was going to be a classic. The single dropped I thought it was good on first listen but later realized it had little replay value and become annoying quickly.
It didn't float right.
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The only thing that makes me shake my head is that everytime there is a "Recovery" thread the same names keep popping in & out to give the same exact opinion they gave in the other 10 threads; it's like you want to make a distinct point that you didn't like the album; you didn't like the return of Eminem & are turned off by it's hype.
This is what everyone does around here. The difference is you take an exception when you like something and you don't want to read any opposing/negative commentary.
Who? Who goes from thread to thread post to post saying the same thing about the same album?
What is the sense is repeating yourself time & time...and time again unless you're going out of your way to make a point you like/dislike it?
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Sigh, you're a stubborn little fucker. It is what it is. You're stanning hard on Recovery and you can't handle any dissenting opinions. You think people that don't enjoy the album should voice their opinions once but you find it's okay to say you like it in 5 different ways. Right? Right.
You ask why post the same thing over and over again? Why do you keep doing it? You keep popping up posting the same shit, asking why do people post the same shit?
I don't care that people do it, you do. Ask yourself why you do.
Better yet, you keep posting your positive reviews and let the people who don't enjoy post their negative ones.
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LOL, my stanning, postive, certified classic 7/10 album. :D
Not why do "people post the same shit", like I'm talking about anybody who posts a bad review; it's the same people.
& why do I keep asking? Because I don't have an answer. Like I said, unless you're going out of your way to make the point the album isn't good, I don't see why.
If somebody kept posting the album is amazing, over & over again, maybe I'd ask the same thing; but I don't see that. People who post positives say it & bounce lol.
I actually haven't been posting a review, I'm just questioning why the same people keep saying it's bad.
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You haven't posted a review yet you criticize those who have? haha
Dude, just stop posting until you post your opinions. You're so worried about what other people post and who posts what you're not even contributing anything.
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You haven't posted a review yet you criticize those who have? haha
Dude, just stop posting until you post your opinions. You're so worried about what other people post and who posts what you're not even contributing anything.
Funny, I could of sworn you just said I was stanning; pretty hard to "stan" when you don't even know my opinion, lmfao.
I'm not worried about anything, I'm just curious to know the answer to something & I haven't gotten an answer lol.
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You haven't posted a review yet you criticize those who have? haha
Dude, just stop posting until you post your opinions. You're so worried about what other people post and who posts what you're not even contributing anything.
Funny, I could of sworn you just said I was stanning; pretty hard to "stan" when you don't even know my opinion, lmfao.
I'm not worried about anything, I'm just curious to know the answer to something & I haven't gotten an answer lol.
I do think you are stanning pretty hard but you admitted in your last post that you haven't even posted a review. The majority of your posts have been in defense of Recovery or question/critiquing those who have spoken negatively on it. Instead of worrying about what is posted and who posts it, just post your opinion.
I won't speak for anyone else, who else is your question directed at?
1. It's a forum.
2. I had high expectations from the album.
3. I was disappointed.
4. I want to express myself.
5. Why not?
6. There's not much else to talk about.
7. I can.
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You haven't posted a review yet you criticize those who have? haha
Dude, just stop posting until you post your opinions. You're so worried about what other people post and who posts what you're not even contributing anything.
Funny, I could of sworn you just said I was stanning; pretty hard to "stan" when you don't even know my opinion, lmfao.
I'm not worried about anything, I'm just curious to know the answer to something & I haven't gotten an answer lol.
I do think you are stanning pretty hard but you admitted in your last post that you haven't even posted a review. The majority of your posts have been in defense of Recovery or question/critiquing those who have spoken negatively on it. Instead of worrying about what is posted and who posts it, just post your opinion.
I won't speak for anyone else, who else is your question directed at?
1. It's a forum.
2. I had high expectations from the album.
3. I was disappointed.
4. I want to express myself.
5. Why not?
6. There's not much else to talk about.
7. I can.
In response to numbers 1, 4, 5 & 7; how can you say that & then tell me not to say anything?
You want to critique & then say "BECAUSE I CAN!", well I can question why, because "I can" lol.
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You haven't posted a review yet you criticize those who have? haha
Dude, just stop posting until you post your opinions. You're so worried about what other people post and who posts what you're not even contributing anything.
Funny, I could of sworn you just said I was stanning; pretty hard to "stan" when you don't even know my opinion, lmfao.
I'm not worried about anything, I'm just curious to know the answer to something & I haven't gotten an answer lol.
I do think you are stanning pretty hard but you admitted in your last post that you haven't even posted a review. The majority of your posts have been in defense of Recovery or question/critiquing those who have spoken negatively on it. Instead of worrying about what is posted and who posts it, just post your opinion.
I won't speak for anyone else, who else is your question directed at?
1. It's a forum.
2. I had high expectations from the album.
3. I was disappointed.
4. I want to express myself.
5. Why not?
6. There's not much else to talk about.
7. I can.
In response to numbers 1, 4, 5 & 7; how can you say that & then tell me not to say anything?
You want to critique & then say "BECAUSE I CAN!", well I can question why, because "I can" lol.
Obviously, but you're a hypocrite for questioning people on a forum on why they're posting. Why do you think they're posting? Did I really have to explain that to you or are you just that much of asshole? I'm not the one wondering why people are posting, I know why.
Really you come off as a complete idiot sometimes.
You'll take a stance hardcore, dickride it to death, and won't budge once.
You argue over stupid shit and haven't really been contributing. Say what you want about the negative commentary, at least it's commentary. You're providing a commentary on the commentary. What the fuck is that?
You step into threads you haven't even listened to the albums of just to defend Recovery. That's stanning over time.
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You haven't posted a review yet you criticize those who have? haha
Dude, just stop posting until you post your opinions. You're so worried about what other people post and who posts what you're not even contributing anything.
Funny, I could of sworn you just said I was stanning; pretty hard to "stan" when you don't even know my opinion, lmfao.
I'm not worried about anything, I'm just curious to know the answer to something & I haven't gotten an answer lol.
I do think you are stanning pretty hard but you admitted in your last post that you haven't even posted a review. The majority of your posts have been in defense of Recovery or question/critiquing those who have spoken negatively on it. Instead of worrying about what is posted and who posts it, just post your opinion.
I won't speak for anyone else, who else is your question directed at?
1. It's a forum.
2. I had high expectations from the album.
3. I was disappointed.
4. I want to express myself.
5. Why not?
6. There's not much else to talk about.
7. I can.
In response to numbers 1, 4, 5 & 7; how can you say that & then tell me not to say anything?
You want to critique & then say "BECAUSE I CAN!", well I can question why, because "I can" lol.
Obviously, but you're a hypocrite for questioning people on a forum on why they're posting. Why do you think they're posting? Did I really have to explain that to you or are you just that much of asshole? I'm not the one wondering why people are posting, I know why.
Really you come off as a complete idiot sometimes.
You'll take a stance hardcore, dickride it to death, and won't budge once.
You argue over stupid shit and haven't really been contributing. Say what you want about the negative commentary, at least it's commentary. You're providing a commentary on the commentary. What the fuck is that?
You step into threads you haven't even listened to the albums of just to defend Recovery. That's stanning over time.
That's funny considering I am like 99% sure I could dig through all of your posts & I wouldn't find one where you say, "Interesting point, never thought of it like that; maybe you're right", because you're the one with the hardcore, "I'm never wrong, so recognize!" stances. I'm just waiting to be told differently.
Long Beach Iz Active or whatever his name is now is KNOWN for making stupid threads just to bash other artists & I'm SURE you know that; but magically when it's about Eminem's album it's his first ever "postive, 'wow what a great, unbiased post'" thead. Give me a break lmfao.
I never wondered why people give an opinion, I wonder why they give the same one over & over again. And I guess the answer is childishly clear, "because they can".
& I don't recall "defending Recovery", I just questioned the purpose of making a "comparison thread" when he isn't even comparing albums; just preaching how one is great & one is bad & then go on to say "comparing the two is a joke" LOL.
You & Rapsodie & anybody else who called me out on that is either retarded or just blindly going against me because you want to see me wrong; & I thought I was the "hardcore, won't budging, dickrider". You two have gone out of your way to see that you're both right & I'm wrong that you can't even see the whole common sense factor of it.
It's whatever though, I expected it from you two, considering like I said earlier, I cannot go through your posts & ever once see you change your opinion or even consider what the other person says is right lol.
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Well anybody who expects Recovery to have tracks like Stan, Drug Ballad, My words are weapons, If I get locked up tonight, Cleaning out my Closet, 8 Mile, Lose yourself, Kill you, Rock Bottom, Role Model, The way I am etc is just kidding himself.
It's 2010. It can not happen. Ever.
You should just take this as a 2010 album and not as something that gets you back to Eminem around 2000, cause if you take it as the latter the only theoretically possible outcome is going to be a disappointment.
It is def remarkable how he released 2 albums who are so very different within 1 year after being fucked up as hell for several years, so take it as major progress, cause that is what it is.
oh man...here we go again. This "it's 2010" talk makes me sick to my stomach. who the fuck said people want tracks like these from 2000 era? People just want tracks on the same level. Recovery is nowhere near to that level.
This music is boring... that's all
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Long Beach Iz Active or whatever his name is now is KNOWN for making stupid threads just to bash other artists & I'm SURE you know that; but magically when it's about Eminem's album it's his first ever "postive, 'wow what a great, unbiased post'" thead. Give me a break lmfao.
lol, the guy liked Relapse and gave it a good review. Some people didn't like Recovery. Deal with it.
I never wondered why people give an opinion, I wonder why they give the same one over & over again. And I guess the answer is childishly clear, "because they can".
You're one to talk when you make more of the same posts than anyone here.
& I don't recall "defending Recovery", I just questioned the purpose of making a "comparison thread" when he isn't even comparing albums; just preaching how one is great & one is bad.
Lol, so you'd rather he'd say they're equal? You haven't even listened to RPM and yet you're in there criticizing someone's else's opinion because it involves Recovery. If that's not defending Recovery, I don't know what is. How do you know RPM isn't way better than Recovery? Go listen to the album, come back and give your opinion. I'd respect your posts way more if they were actually based on something other than your need to rush to the defense of music you like. Seriously dude, you need to stop worrying about why other people dislike albums and spend more time talking about the actual music.
Also, you claim that you give the album a 7/10. You have also admitted that you enjoy Eminem's music more than the average hip hop fan, regardless of quality, just because its Eminem. So you should easily be able to see why people would give this album a 6 or a 5. But no, apparently that's too extreme. Yeah, you're totally not a stan ::)
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Go through my posts. I only defend my opinion. I often admit that it's flawed and I have very particular tastes. I rarely deny other people they're wrong. The latest time I've done this is whether or not Crooked was hypocrite or not concerning his comments made about Detox.
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This thread sucks lol
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This thread sucks lol
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& I don't recall "defending Recovery", I just questioned the purpose of making a "comparison thread" when he isn't even comparing albums; just preaching how one is great & one is bad.
Lol, so you'd rather he'd say they're equal? You haven't even listened to RPM and yet you're in there criticizing someone's else's opinion because it involves Recovery. If that's not defending Recovery, I don't know what is. How do you know RPM isn't way better than Recovery? Go listen to the album, come back and give your opinion. I'd respect your posts way more if they were actually based on something other than your need to rush to the defense of music you like. Seriously dude, you need to stop worrying about why other people dislike albums and spend more time talking about the actual music.
LOL, no; tell me you're just being difficult on purpose, because a mentally retarded person should be able to understand & grasp this.
I don't know which album is better, it doesn't matter which album is better, that's beyond the point.
He thinks RPM is better? Fine, fantastic, I agree, happy? lol. That's so far from the point, it's absurd how you are still on that lmfao.
He said Recovery was god awful and compared it to an album he loved; why do that? ANSWER THAT QUESTION, before you go on & say something retarded & irrelevant, thank you.
Why are you comparing albums you don't think are the same? He doesn't like Recovery? Good for him, no argument from me. He loves RPM? I'm sure it's a great album, Talib is awesome; I wouldn't be surprised if that album was dope. But if you believe they are so different & one is so much better than the other; why are you making threads comparing them?
The sooner you guys realize that you're going so hard out of your way to make me look like a stan (for my fourth or fifth rapper LMFAO) & that you strive to be right 100% of the time in arguments on the internet, the better; for everybody lol.
The last 10 replies have been, "You're a stan, you're angry & defending him"; that's such a generic "I have nothing to say, but I want to look like I had the upper hand in this argument" response.
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This thread sucks lol
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This thread sucks lol
lol, this thread only took off because Rapsodie said "let me be a smartass to this smartass" & told me to give an opinion; I gave it & he took personal offense to it & here we are.
Could of ended pages ago Could of never taken off, but he was clearly on a mission to gain some sort of personal victory.
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This thread sucks lol
lol, this thread only took off because Rapsodie said "let me be a smartass to this smartass" & told me to give an opinion; I gave it & he took personal offense to it & here we are.
Could of ended pages ago Could of never taken off, but he was clearly on a mission to gain some sort of personal victory.
Cham, you're nuts.
This thread is stupid. Should just be locked.
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This thread sucks lol
lol, this thread only took off because Rapsodie said "let me be a smartass to this smartass" & told me to give an opinion; I gave it & he took personal offense to it & here we are.
Could of ended pages ago Could of never taken off, but he was clearly on a mission to gain some sort of personal victory.
Cham, you're nuts.
This thread is stupid. Should just be locked.
Do it, wouldn't bother me lol.
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I think its tied with encore for his worst album.
tied or maybe worse. haha.
5 songs on this album are un-listenable. with a couple more that are questionable. very bad.
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This thread sucks lol
lol, this thread only took off because Rapsodie said "let me be a smartass to this smartass" & told me to give an opinion; I gave it & he took personal offense to it & here we are.
Could of ended pages ago Could of never taken off, but he was clearly on a mission to gain some sort of personal victory.
Cham, you're nuts.
This thread is stupid. Should just be locked.
Do it, wouldn't bother me lol.
Haha in the words on Slaughterhouse let's all just "move on" :laugh:
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LOL, no; tell me you're just being difficult on purpose, because a mentally retarded person should be able to understand & grasp this.
I don't know which album is better, it doesn't matter which album is better, that's beyond the point.
If you don't care then don't enter the topic. Simple as that. You haven't listened to the album, so what was your purpose in commenting? A mentally retarded person should be able to understand that you commented in the thread for the sole purpose of defending Recovery.
He said Recovery was god awful and compared it to an album he loved; why do that? ANSWER THAT QUESTION, before you go on & say something retarded & irrelevant, thank you.
Why are you comparing albums you don't think are the same? He doesn't like Recovery? Good for him, no argument from me. He loves RPM? I'm sure it's a great album, Talib is awesome; I wouldn't be surprised if that album was dope. But if you believe they are so different & one is so much better than the other; why are you making threads comparing them?
Well first of all, no one said it was god awful. But why not compare the albums? Did it ever cross your mind that some people want to share their opinions on music, and see if others have the same opinion? Why would someone do a comparison to two albums they think are equal? Those are two albums that have gotten notice on dubcc, though Recovery had more. If nothing else, that topic provoked discussion comparing the current music people on this forum are listening to. Some people agreed, some people disagreed. That is the point of a forum. To share your opinion. Not to blindly go in criticizing music comparisons you haven't heard just because it concerns your favorite rapper.
The sooner you guys realize that you're going so hard out of your way to make me look like a stan (for my fourth or fifth rapper LMFAO) & that you strive to be right 100% of the time in arguments on the internet, the better; for everybody lol.
How am I going out of my way to make you look like a stan when I'm just pointing out things you have done? You make yourself look that way.
The last 10 replies have been, "You're a stan, you're angry & defending him"; that's such a generic "I have nothing to say, but I want to look like I had the upper hand in this argument" response.
What else do you want me to say? I called you out for being stannish, you got mad and tried to deny it. You are the one with nothing to say. Didn't contribute to the topic at all.
I don't need to have the "last comment", so I guess I'll just let you reply to this and leave it at that. I'm just amazed at your incapacity to admit your own behavior goes far beyond that of a regular fan. You still think I'm wrong for calling you stan? I'll break it down for you:
A) You enter a thread comparing two albums, one of which you like. You haven't heard the other album, but you immediately criticize the OP for making Recovery look bad. You're sole purpose in that thread was to defend Recovery (unless you can think of another reason you were there). And in this very thread you are still trying to deny you were defending the album.
B) You accuse someone of being an Em basher (another thing stans do), when said person actually praised Relapse when it came out. I disagree completely with his opinion of the album, but it makes it pretty damn clear he isn't being a hater.
C) You are telling us you give Recovery a 7/10 (even though initially you said you loved it). You have also admitted that you like Eminem's music more than the average fan, just because its Eminem. Yet you are criticizing people for giving it a 5/10, when that's only 2 points lower than your rating.
D) You accuse me of saying the same thing over and over, when you have commented FAR more than me or for that matter anyone else about the album. And most of that was defending Recovery against people who didn't like it.
I don't know how you define a stan, but to me all these examples are the types of things that stans do. Look, I know you stan for certain rappers that you are a big fan of, even if you won't admit it. At the end of the day though, you are a pretty great poster when it comes to discussing music or other subjects not involving certain artists. Just wish you would admit it when you go into stan mode.
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Tell a friend..Shady is back 8) 8)
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I think its tied with encore for his worst album.
tied or maybe worse. haha.
5 songs on this album are un-listenable. with a couple more that are questionable. very bad.
Just out of curiosity, what are those 5 songs? I like the whole album but I think people could have trouble with songs like won't back down, WTP, no love (the sample), You're never over, love the way you lie? To me won't back down is the weakest link on the album, and you're never over bcuz of the chorus and so-so beat.
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u can hated it but we all know this shit is bangin 8)
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I think its tied with encore for his worst album.
tied or maybe worse. haha.
5 songs on this album are un-listenable. with a couple more that are questionable. very bad.
Just out of curiosity, what are those 5 songs? I like the whole album but I think people could have trouble with songs like won't back down, WTP, no love (the sample), You're never over, love the way you lie? To me won't back down is the weakest link on the album, and you're never over bcuz of the chorus and so-so beat.
Agree with you on that. I have to say though, that overall, I'm pleased with the album. After seeing it get so much hate on here after it initially leaked, I fully expected to dislike it. But in my opinion it's a solid album. I still don't like "Won't Back Down." And it's not really because Pink is on it, so much as Eminem's lyrics don't seem to have any direction. He's got some clever lines on that track but he doesn't seem to really be rapping about any thing in particular. And yeah Em's chorus on "You're Never Over" is just not good. It's kind of a shame. Being a Proof tribute song, I wanted to like it and I think Em's verses are good, but he really should have got someone else to do the chorus on that one. Those two tracks to me, would be my biggest problems with the album. But that's 2 tracks out of 17 (19, if you count the bonus songs). I was really afraid the album was going to be a disaster, and it just doesn't sound that way to me at all, after hearing it.
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I'm not feeling too much of that Pink track but the rest of the album, I'm really feeling right now. We'll see. I need a little more time to play it through but I'm kind of feeling where Em went with this one. He took a slightly different approach but not so much that you can't enjoy it.
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This album wasnt bad....it was just wasnt good...
yep . after a few weeks, still sounds like one long song. but like box said em is lyrically superior to most even if you like him or donīt . you donīt have to like someone to notice their talent.
that being said, i like eminem. his older work , Marshal Mathers LP and before . canīt even listen to encore, Eminem Show had a few good songs. Relapse was ok ( De Ja Vu one of the best eminem songs imo )
call it hating if you want but i just donīt get anything out of this album . iīll give it a spin now and then because i might still find something lyrically good in it.