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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: 2dog on June 26, 2010, 10:39:16 AM
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Still dre back in 1999?
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I'll say "Bad Intentions" in 2001..
Production-wise - "How We Do" in 2005..
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We made you he's last,how we do,in the club,real slim shady,my name is etc..shit a lot records. Why?
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he rapped on how we do?
i'd say How we do was the last monster record dre produced.
i was not in tune with what was happening in hip hop at all during that time period and I heard that song ALL the time in 05/06/07
I remember being really impressed with Dre when I learned he produced that track.....it was crazy to me that 20 years after his beginnings in music, he produced such a simple catchy dope pop song that wasn't just like/derivative of much other work he was known for. it felt real refreshing for a dre track imo.
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he rapped on how we do?
i'd say How we do was the last monster record dre produced.
i was not in tune with what was happening in hip hop at all during that time period and I heard that song ALL the time in 05/06/07
I remember being really impressed with Dre when I learned he produced that track.....it was crazy to me that 20 years after his beginnings in music, he produced such a simple catchy dope pop song that wasn't just like/derivative of much other work he was known for. it felt real refreshing for a dre track imo.
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nah homie u twistin facts, he had an cameo in the video.
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The last song that he produced as well as rapped on that was a big hit on radio waves was "Crack a Bottle".
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he rapped on how we do?
i'd say How we do was the last monster record dre produced.
i was not in tune with what was happening in hip hop at all during that time period and I heard that song ALL the time in 05/06/07
I remember being really impressed with Dre when I learned he produced that track.....it was crazy to me that 20 years after his beginnings in music, he produced such a simple catchy dope pop song that wasn't just like/derivative of much other work he was known for. it felt real refreshing for a dre track imo.
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nah homie u twistin facts, he had an cameo in the video.
Oh, I don't really watch music videos. Never saw it. that's partly why I didn't even know dre produced that song till I had another return to hip hop phrase in '07 and at the recommendation of a co worker started checking out the Game's work. I usually recognize a Dre beat a sub-woof away, but this one surprised me in a good way. I mean once you know it's Dre, it fits in context but it's still fresh.
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The last song that he produced as well as rapped on that was a big hit on radio waves was "Crack a Bottle".
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'crack a bottle' was ass though, i supposed its gotta be 'bad intentions' if you wanna go back, which is a monster track. still sounds sound fresh as hell today. go download the track/instrumental in FLAC from my thread if you wanna remind yourself why 8)
dre produced - 'how we do' was a monster club single and don't forget 'outta control remix' 8)
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^^^ All he said was the last hit record, the quality doesn't matter. Considering Crack A Bottle was a number 1 record, I don't see why you'd need to reach back to Bad Intentions.
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sounds like the OP is on about actual Dre solo records.
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sounds like the OP is on about actual Dre solo records.
That should be obvious then
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sounds like the OP is on about actual Dre solo records.
That should be obvious then
Lol for real, considering 2001 was his last solo album in 99 and Bad Intentions was also the last time he pushed a single as a solo artist its a pretty fucking stupid question...
How well did Bad Intentions actually do?
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the wiki page says "The song debuted on the UK Singles Chart at #4 on January 19th 2002, staying on the charts for 11 weeks." no idea about the US.
it did have a proper big budget video and everything. even casual hip-hop listeners seem to know and love the track.
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cracc a bottle was a "hit" it was number 1 and people say naw it don't count cause it was wacc hahahaha this shit is funny as fucc yell
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cracc a bottle was a "hit" it was number 1 and people say naw it don't count cause it was wacc hahahaha this shit is funny as fucc yell
erase it from your memory.
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fuck "asscrack bottle" . that song stunk like hell.
the thread should be titled "the last dope hit dre produced or rapped in"
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Dre didn't even produce Bad Intentions.
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Dre didn't even produce Bad Intentions.
I thought it was co-produced with Mahogany? definitely 'mixed' by Dre at least.
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Wait, wait, wait...
A "hit record" is a sound recording, usually in the form of a single or album, that sells a large number of copies or otherwise becomes broadly popular or well-known, through airplay, club play, inclusion in a film or stage play soundtrack, causing it to have "hit" (appeared on) one of the popular chart listings.
Basically all it takes is sell a lot of copies.
"Crack-A-Bottle" was number one & it doesn't count because it's bad? What a joke of a thread then. :laugh:
Why don't we all just say his last "hit record" was "Still D.R.E." or "The Next Episode" because those are classics & we all love them? ::)
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Dre didn't even produce Bad Intentions.
I thought it was co-produced with Mahogany? definitely 'mixed' by Dre at least.
Dre says "Mahogany did the instrumental" on the outro. He may have mixed it but I doubt he had anything to do with the production.
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Gentlemen. The question was simply what Dre's last notible record was that he produced and rapped on. Not what was his most beloved by Dubcc fans that he produced and rapped on.
*waits for the next hot Bishop Lamont record...
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Gentlemen. The question was simply what Dre's last notible record was that he produced and rapped on. Not what was his most beloved by Dubcc fans that he produced and rapped on.
*waits for the next hot Bishop Lamont record...
And the answer is Crack A Bottle
*waits with Rebel*
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Gentlemen. The question was simply what Dre's last notible record was that he produced and rapped on. Not what was his most beloved by Dubcc fans that he produced and rapped on.
*waits for the next hot Bishop Lamont record...
Yeah, it basically all seems baited to show that Dre hasn't had a hit as a producer-artist in 10 years but "Crack A Bottle" did well. Given that he's had so few legit singles as a featured artist since "2001", I'd say the track record is pretty good.
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outta control...but what did poppin them thangz do?
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sounds like the OP is on about actual Dre solo records.
That should be obvious then
Lol for real, considering 2001 was his last solo album in 99 and Bad Intentions was also the last time he pushed a single as a solo artist its a pretty fucking stupid question...
How well did Bad Intentions actually do?
Now THAT is a stupid question. lmao.
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sounds like the OP is on about actual Dre solo records.
That should be obvious then
Lol for real, considering 2001 was his last solo album in 99 and Bad Intentions was also the last time he pushed a single as a solo artist its a pretty fucking stupid question...
How well did Bad Intentions actually do?
Now THAT is a stupid question. lmao.
I know it did well, but I'm looking for actual chart position / numbers?
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Dre didn't even produce Bad Intentions.
I thought it was co-produced with Mahogany? definitely 'mixed' by Dre at least.
Dre says "Mahogany did the instrumental" on the outro. He may have mixed it but I doubt he had anything to do with the production.
making instrumental and producing record is two diffirent things
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Dre didn't even produce Bad Intentions.
I thought it was co-produced with Mahogany? definitely 'mixed' by Dre at least.
Dre says "Mahogany did the instrumental" on the outro. He may have mixed it but I doubt he had anything to do with the production.
In the booklet, it says :Produced by Mahogany, Co-Produced by Dr. Dre.
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Dre didn't even produce Bad Intentions.
I thought it was co-produced with Mahogany? definitely 'mixed' by Dre at least.
Dre says "Mahogany did the instrumental" on the outro. He may have mixed it but I doubt he had anything to do with the production.
In the booklet, it says :Produced by Mahogany, Co-Produced by Dr. Dre.
would have been a very generous credit if it'd only been mixing, the finished version oozes dre's production touches. 'bad intentions' got to #4 in the UK charts but only just the top 40 in the states! surprising. us british were digging it 8)
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I been meaning to ask why yall are using a Mahogany production to gauge Dr. Dre..? lol.
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Guess his last hit was in da club right? Altho poppin them thangs & outta control remix>>>in da club
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Wait, wait, wait...
A "hit record" is a sound recording, usually in the form of a single or album, that sells a large number of copies or otherwise becomes broadly popular or well-known, through airplay, club play, inclusion in a film or stage play soundtrack, causing it to have "hit" (appeared on) one of the popular chart listings.
Basically all it takes is sell a lot of copies.
"Crack-A-Bottle" was number one & it doesn't count because it's bad? What a joke of a thread then. :laugh:
Why don't we all just say his last "hit record" was "Still D.R.E." or "The Next Episode" because those are classics & we all love them? ::)
^^^^networth yell
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I remember crack a bottle bein number one jus didnt count it cuz it was so wack but then thats gotta b it otherwise what has dre made after that?
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Last Year, he produced, rapped on, and won a Grammy for Crack A Bottle ,#1 (Top 100) record in the country, single sold 1x platinum. ONLY HIT RECORDS DOES THAT.
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Didnt he make the beat for that "Rich Girl" track with Gwen Stefani as well? I'm sure that song was pretty huge
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Dre didn't even produce Bad Intentions.
co-produced and mixed... it wouldn't be a banger hit without dre's touch ;)
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One Last Time(Encore)
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making instrumental and producing record is two diffirent things
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That's the truth...
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It was motherfucking Crack A Bottle, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's discounted retards.
People are confusing a Hit Record with a Good Record. Soulja Boy's Crank Dat was a hit record, even if i was a piece of shit. It just shows the mainstream doesn't know shit about hip-hop or rap. As such hit records don't mean shit now.
So it was Crack a Bottle.
Because that literally was the last track he was a producer and a rapper that was a hit on the charts.
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It was motherfucking Crack A Bottle, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's discounted retards.
People are confusing a Hit Record with a Good Record. Soulja Boy's Crank Dat was a hit record, even if i was a piece of shit. It just shows the mainstream doesn't know shit about hip-hop or rap. As such hit records don't mean shit now.
So it was Crack a Bottle.
Because that literally was the last track he was a producer and a rapper that was a hit on the charts.
wasnt crack a bottle last track dre produced and rapped on at all?
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It was motherfucking Crack A Bottle, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's discounted retards.
People are confusing a Hit Record with a Good Record. Soulja Boy's Crank Dat was a hit record, even if i was a piece of shit. It just shows the mainstream doesn't know shit about hip-hop or rap. As such hit records don't mean shit now.
So it was Crack a Bottle.
Because that literally was the last track he was a producer and a rapper that was a hit on the charts.
wasnt crack a bottle last track dre produced and rapped on at all?
He also pulled double duty on "Old Time's Sake" and "Hell Breaks Loose".
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I can't beleive the topic starter suggested Still D.R.E was the last hit. Dre had at least another 2 hit singles off 2001 alone. Where have these people been?
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was anythin as timeless as that?
in da club might have got more numbers but is it better than still dre?
I can't beleive the topic starter suggested Still D.R.E was the last hit. Dre had at least another 2 hit singles off 2001 alone. Where have these people been?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Next_Episode
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgot_About_Dre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Still_D.R.E.
I just did a quick look on Wiki.
Judge 4 yourselves, but like I said Technically Crack A Bottle was the last "hit" he was on.
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yeah but does the fact that maybe millions of people know about still dre vs crack a bottle? lol
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yeah but does the fact that maybe millions of people know about still dre vs crack a bottle? lol
Wouldn't surprise me if people know Crack A Bottle more then Still D.R.E. Given Eminems White. lol seriously.
Still D.R.E.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Still_D.R.E
Chart (2000)↓ Peak
position↓
Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Singles & Tracks 32
Hot Rap Singles 11
Rhythmic Top 40 29
Billboard Hot 100 93
UK Singles Chart 6
Crack A Bottle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crack_a_Bottle
Chart (2009)↓ Peak
position↓
Australian ARIA Singles Chart[20] 18
Austrian Singles Chart[20] 41
Belgian Singles Chart (Flanders)[20] 39
Canadian Hot 100[21] 1
Danish Singles Chart[20] 28
Dutch Mega Single Top 100[20] 54
Irish Singles Chart[22] 6
New Zealand RIANZ Singles Chart[20] 6
Norwegian Singles Chart[20] 5
Swedish Singles Chart[20] 9
Swiss Singles Charts[20] 3
Turkey Top 20 Chart[23] 4
UK Singles Chart[24] 3[25]
UK R&B Chart[26] 1
U.S. Billboard Hot 100[27] 1
U.S. Billboard Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs[28] 60
U.S. Billboard Hot Rap Tracks[29]
(Note I Grabbed Crack a bottles stats via Wiki again lol)
IMO Still D.R.E.> Crack a Bottle in terms of quality. Because that Piano riff is amazing compared to yet another drum machine driven track. even though Crack A Bottle has this "grand Entrance" feel, Still D.R.E. has this extremly cool, almost stylized feeling to it. Sorta like "It was a Good Day" by Ice Cube, it just has sonic intensity seeping into the riff and lyrics. Where as Crack a Bottle is nothing more but a another feel good club vibe, which has been done 2 death by the industry.
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This is actually one of the dumbest threads ever. I feel less intelligent that I partake in here. :eh:
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was anythin as timeless as that?
in da club might have got more numbers but is it better than still dre?
I believe the question was "when was Dre's last hit record", not "what is your favorite Dre record"
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then those numbers on still dre are wrong....lol
was anythin as timeless as that?
in da club might have got more numbers but is it better than still dre?
I believe the question was "when was Dre's last hit record", not "what is your favorite Dre record"
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then those numbers on still dre are wrong....lol
was anythin as timeless as that?
in da club might have got more numbers but is it better than still dre?
I believe the question was "when was Dre's last hit record", not "what is your favorite Dre record"
what are you talking about? I don't get what Still Dre's "numbers" have to do with anything. Fact: Crack a Bottle was a hit record. It came out last year. Still Dre was 11 years ago. Hence Crack a Bottle was Dre's last hit record. End thread.
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like blas said...still dre>>>crack a bottle
then those numbers on still dre are wrong....lol
was anythin as timeless as that?
in da club might have got more numbers but is it better than still dre?
I believe the question was "when was Dre's last hit record", not "what is your favorite Dre record"
what are you talking about? I don't get what Still Dre's "numbers" have to do with anything. Fact: Crack a Bottle was a hit record. It came out last year. Still Dre was 11 years ago. Hence Crack a Bottle was Dre's last hit record. End thread.
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then those numbers on still dre are wrong....lol
was anythin as timeless as that?
in da club might have got more numbers but is it better than still dre?
I believe the question was "when was Dre's last hit record", not "what is your favorite Dre record"
what are you talking about? I don't get what Still Dre's "numbers" have to do with anything. Fact: Crack a Bottle was a hit record. It came out last year. Still Dre was 11 years ago. Hence Crack a Bottle was Dre's last hit record. End thread.
Thank you lol.
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like blas said...still dre>>>crack a bottle
then those numbers on still dre are wrong....lol
was anythin as timeless as that?
in da club might have got more numbers but is it better than still dre?
I believe the question was "when was Dre's last hit record", not "what is your favorite Dre record"
what are you talking about? I don't get what Still Dre's "numbers" have to do with anything. Fact: Crack a Bottle was a hit record. It came out last year. Still Dre was 11 years ago. Hence Crack a Bottle was Dre's last hit record. End thread.
smh....
You don't seem to understand basic terms. Last hit record = the last popular song by an artist. Not which song you like more. Not which song you think is better. You also don't seem to understand the difference between your opinion and the point of this thread. I like Still Dre better than Crack a Bottle as well, but it doesn't have any relevance to this discussion. I'll quote myself again
Fact: Crack a Bottle was a hit record. It came out last year. Still Dre was 11 years ago. Hence Crack a Bottle was Dre's last hit record. End thread.
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read between the lines...im sayin thats crazy that it was number 1....thats what it is and i was agreein wit blas...now go eat ya oatmeal...so you can understand...has nuthin to do wit still dre
like blas said...still dre>>>crack a bottle
then those numbers on still dre are wrong....lol
was anythin as timeless as that?
in da club might have got more numbers but is it better than still dre?
I believe the question was "when was Dre's last hit record", not "what is your favorite Dre record"
what are you talking about? I don't get what Still Dre's "numbers" have to do with anything. Fact: Crack a Bottle was a hit record. It came out last year. Still Dre was 11 years ago. Hence Crack a Bottle was Dre's last hit record. End thread.
smh....
You don't seem to understand basic terms. Last hit record = the last popular song by an artist. Not which song you like more. Not which song you think is better. You also don't seem to understand the difference between your opinion and the point of this thread. I like Still Dre better than Crack a Bottle as well, but it doesn't have any relevance to this discussion. I'll quote myself again
Fact: Crack a Bottle was a hit record. It came out last year. Still Dre was 11 years ago. Hence Crack a Bottle was Dre's last hit record. End thread.
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has nuthin to do wit still dre
then why do you keep mentioning it?
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cuz its crazy that a wack song did better than a anthem that was released a decade + ago....but if thats what it did...so-be it
has nuthin to do wit still dre
then why do you keep mentioning it?
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cuz its crazy that a wack song did better than a anthem that was released a decade + ago....but if thats what it did...so-be it
has nuthin to do wit still dre
then why do you keep mentioning it?
Not surprising at all. Hit records have almost nothing to do with quality.
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first time you heard this....you thought it was gon be a huge hit....seems like it came and went...lol
cuz its crazy that a wack song did better than a anthem that was released a decade + ago....but if thats what it did...so-be it
has nuthin to do wit still dre
then why do you keep mentioning it?
Not surprising at all. Hit records have almost nothing to do with quality.
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well the producing lately hasnt been anything special like the first Chronic album , and he hasnt made a hit rapping since the last solo album . still dre and next episode songs
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first time you heard this....you thought it was gon be a huge hit....seems like it came and went...lol
cuz its crazy that a wack song did better than a anthem that was released a decade + ago....but if thats what it did...so-be it
has nuthin to do wit still dre
then why do you keep mentioning it?
Not surprising at all. Hit records have almost nothing to do with quality.
Yeah, "Crank That" did too; but I bet that was bigger than both.
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This is actually one of the dumbest threads ever. I feel less intelligent that I partake in here. :eh:
I feel your pain. It's like awe-inspiring stupidity that somehow hypnotizes you and drags you down to its level. Which leads me to....
was anythin as timeless as that?
in da club might have got more numbers but is it better than still dre?
WHAT... THE... FUCK?!?! Maybe I'm just in a foul mood tonight but what in the hell are you talking about? I'm serious here. I'm really not intending to be mean-spirited but has it really come to this?
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This is actually an interesting thread some what. I was going to make a thread similar to this about the possible demise of the so called 'super producer' or super producers...the three which were first to be given this title in current times were neptunes, timbaland and the beast which is dre. But lets be real, neptunes while hugely gifted fell off...people keep talking about it being cuz chad left and thats debatable but neptunes used to bring out hits on a daily at one stage.
The you got timbaland...dude is arguebaly the only one of the three whos current sound remains with the current generation. That as in his shit don't sound dated, he still was atleast until very recently throwing out hits like its nothing and his music sounded modern still. Recently he gone abit quiet but he probably the most prominent of the three in terms of demand in recent times without doubt.
Dre which this thread is about i was thinking something of the sort of myself recently. When was dudes last CERTIFIED BANGER hit? crack a bottle was a hit but that was solely based on comebacks and names. The record is garbage. We made you was a hit too but any first single off an eminem album is a hit. lol...
So unless im wrong dudes last CERTIFIED BANGER was how we do with 50 n game. Now thats fire for sure but i mean thats fucking nearly half a decade ago now probably. Dude aint made a smash in a long time. Dude ran outta ideas and sounds? Is he finally making shit others can challenge and say they got hotter shit? Because i remember when dre was THAT NIGGA, dudes music was outshining everybody.
It must be a dent to his ego and makes him hungry though. These BIGGGGG time producers like dre and co want to be churning out hits for cats to appease themselves just as much as the fans. He better have some heat rocks on detox and whatever follows it.
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This is actually an interesting thread some what. I was going to make a thread similar to this about the possible demise of the so called 'super producer' or super producers...the three which were first to be given this title in current times were neptunes, timbaland and the beast which is dre. But lets be real, neptunes while hugely gifted fell off...people keep talking about it being cuz chad left and thats debatable but neptunes used to bring out hits on a daily at one stage.
The you got timbaland...dude is arguebaly the only one of the three whos current sound remains with the current generation. That as in his shit don't sound dated, he still was atleast until very recently throwing out hits like its nothing and his music sounded modern still. Recently he gone abit quiet but he probably the most prominent of the three in terms of demand in recent times without doubt.
Dre which this thread is about i was thinking something of the sort of myself recently. When was dudes last CERTIFIED BANGER hit? crack a bottle was a hit but that was solely based on comebacks and names. The record is garbage. We made you was a hit too but any first single off an eminem album is a hit. lol...
So unless im wrong dudes last CERTIFIED BANGER was how we do with 50 n game. Now thats fire for sure but i mean thats fucking nearly half a decade ago now probably. Dude aint made a smash in a long time. Dude ran outta ideas and sounds? Is he finally making shit others can challenge and say they got hotter shit? Because i remember when dre was THAT NIGGA, dudes music was outshining everybody.
It must be a dent to his ego and makes him hungry though. These BIGGGGG time producers like dre and co want to be churning out hits for cats to appease themselves just as much as the fans. He better have some heat rocks on detox and whatever follows it.
*slaps head* So now Crack a Bottle doesn't count as a hit because its by a big name? And We Made You" doesn't count either? Lol, you might as well discount How We Do as well, that song did well because it was a Game/50 collab for Game's debut and it was commercial garbage anyways. ::)
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This is actually an interesting thread some what. I was going to make a thread similar to this about the possible demise of the so called 'super producer' or super producers...the three which were first to be given this title in current times were neptunes, timbaland and the beast which is dre. But lets be real, neptunes while hugely gifted fell off...people keep talking about it being cuz chad left and thats debatable but neptunes used to bring out hits on a daily at one stage.
The you got timbaland...dude is arguebaly the only one of the three whos current sound remains with the current generation. That as in his shit don't sound dated, he still was atleast until very recently throwing out hits like its nothing and his music sounded modern still. Recently he gone abit quiet but he probably the most prominent of the three in terms of demand in recent times without doubt.
Dre which this thread is about i was thinking something of the sort of myself recently. When was dudes last CERTIFIED BANGER hit? crack a bottle was a hit but that was solely based on comebacks and names. The record is garbage. We made you was a hit too but any first single off an eminem album is a hit. lol...
So unless im wrong dudes last CERTIFIED BANGER was how we do with 50 n game. Now thats fire for sure but i mean thats fucking nearly half a decade ago now probably. Dude aint made a smash in a long time. Dude ran outta ideas and sounds? Is he finally making shit others can challenge and say they got hotter shit? Because i remember when dre was THAT NIGGA, dudes music was outshining everybody.
It must be a dent to his ego and makes him hungry though. These BIGGGGG time producers like dre and co want to be churning out hits for cats to appease themselves just as much as the fans. He better have some heat rocks on detox and whatever follows it.
Theres a Difference between a banger and a hit, and this album is about hits, not bangers. Crack a bottle was the last hit he was on where he was rapping and producing. It may not of been a banger, but it was a hit.
Also as the poster above me pointed out The Documentary was commercial. It had the club sounding tracks of it's era do to 50 Cents Influence on the album with the gangsta rap lyrics do to The Game riding off his roots of Compton, Dre, and N.W.A . That's why it was successful.
Anyways congrats I think you're the first person in the thread to mention "Detox" in a Dr. Dre thread yet again... lol
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So what exactly qualifies a song as a "certified banger", since this discussion has officially become this ridicilous? Are we overlooking the remix of "Outta Control"? Have we just completely ignored the original question posed? Can Dre really be that good of a producer when he's never had any hit records that start with the letter Q, V, Z, or the number 4?
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Im still saying though, "Rich Girl" by Gwen Stefani feat. Eve was huge, top 10 in over 15 countries
In the United States, "Rich Girl" was certified double platinum, and it received a nomination for Best Rap/Sung Collaboration at the 48th Grammy Awards.
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So what exactly qualifies a song as a "certified banger", since this discussion has officially become this ridicilous? Are we overlooking the remix of "Outta Control"? Have we just completely ignored the original question posed? Can Dre really be that good of a producer when he's never had any hit records that start with the letter Q, V, Z, or the number 4?
A banger is whatever song dubcc loves, usually that means a popular song before 2003
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Dre hasn\'t prioduced in YEARS - 2Pac Shakur
Eminem tracks DO NOT COUNT
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This is actually an interesting thread some what. I was going to make a thread similar to this about the possible demise of the so called 'super producer' or super producers...the three which were first to be given this title in current times were neptunes, timbaland and the beast which is dre. But lets be real, neptunes while hugely gifted fell off...people keep talking about it being cuz chad left and thats debatable but neptunes used to bring out hits on a daily at one stage.
The you got timbaland...dude is arguebaly the only one of the three whos current sound remains with the current generation. That as in his shit don't sound dated, he still was atleast until very recently throwing out hits like its nothing and his music sounded modern still. Recently he gone abit quiet but he probably the most prominent of the three in terms of demand in recent times without doubt.
Dre which this thread is about i was thinking something of the sort of myself recently. When was dudes last CERTIFIED BANGER hit? crack a bottle was a hit but that was solely based on comebacks and names. The record is garbage. We made you was a hit too but any first single off an eminem album is a hit. lol...
So unless im wrong dudes last CERTIFIED BANGER was how we do with 50 n game. Now thats fire for sure but i mean thats fucking nearly half a decade ago now probably. Dude aint made a smash in a long time. Dude ran outta ideas and sounds? Is he finally making shit others can challenge and say they got hotter shit? Because i remember when dre was THAT NIGGA, dudes music was outshining everybody.
It must be a dent to his ego and makes him hungry though. These BIGGGGG time producers like dre and co want to be churning out hits for cats to appease themselves just as much as the fans. He better have some heat rocks on detox and whatever follows it.
*slaps head* So now Crack a Bottle doesn't count as a hit because its by a big name? And We Made You" doesn't count either? Lol, you might as well discount How We Do as well, that song did well because it was a Game/50 collab for Game's debut and it was commercial garbage anyways. ::)
Maybe you have trouble reading. I never said crack a bottle or we made you were not hits. I said they were garbage. Not CERTIFIED BANGERS!
LOL@commercial garbage. Who cares if a joint is commercial or not? In da club was commercial, was that garbage? A joint being commercial does not translate into it being garbage. As for how we do being a hit only because it was for games debut and a 50/game collabo is bulllshit. It got MAJOR love in clubs and i still see cats bumpin that shit in their whips come summer and it still gets a spin from time to time in clubs. The joints fire, from the beat to 50s verse, to games verse to the hook. Nothin deep, but fire. Its commercial...so? LOL
My original post was about when dres last record which was fire was a hit? Aint nobody listening to we made you unless you a em stan or a nerd/geek. Same with crack a bottle. Both were hits. I never denied that. Every eminem record is usually a hit, garbage or not lol.
I think someone mentioned outta control remix, i forgot about that. So yeh, the last two joints which got major love in clubs, in the hood, by hiphop listeners etc were how we do and outta control. Dude aint really made a fire joint which got released in a long ass time that became a hit. Nuff said.
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This is actually an interesting thread some what. I was going to make a thread similar to this about the possible demise of the so called 'super producer' or super producers...the three which were first to be given this title in current times were neptunes, timbaland and the beast which is dre. But lets be real, neptunes while hugely gifted fell off...people keep talking about it being cuz chad left and thats debatable but neptunes used to bring out hits on a daily at one stage.
The you got timbaland...dude is arguebaly the only one of the three whos current sound remains with the current generation. That as in his shit don't sound dated, he still was atleast until very recently throwing out hits like its nothing and his music sounded modern still. Recently he gone abit quiet but he probably the most prominent of the three in terms of demand in recent times without doubt.
Dre which this thread is about i was thinking something of the sort of myself recently. When was dudes last CERTIFIED BANGER hit? crack a bottle was a hit but that was solely based on comebacks and names. The record is garbage. We made you was a hit too but any first single off an eminem album is a hit. lol...
So unless im wrong dudes last CERTIFIED BANGER was how we do with 50 n game. Now thats fire for sure but i mean thats fucking nearly half a decade ago now probably. Dude aint made a smash in a long time. Dude ran outta ideas and sounds? Is he finally making shit others can challenge and say they got hotter shit? Because i remember when dre was THAT NIGGA, dudes music was outshining everybody.
It must be a dent to his ego and makes him hungry though. These BIGGGGG time producers like dre and co want to be churning out hits for cats to appease themselves just as much as the fans. He better have some heat rocks on detox and whatever follows it.
Theres a Difference between a banger and a hit, and this album is about hits, not bangers. Crack a bottle was the last hit he was on where he was rapping and producing. It may not of been a banger, but it was a hit.
Also as the poster above me pointed out The Documentary was commercial. It had the club sounding tracks of it's era do to 50 Cents Influence on the album with the gangsta rap lyrics do to The Game riding off his roots of Compton, Dre, and N.W.A . That's why it was successful.
Anyways congrats I think you're the first person in the thread to mention "Detox" in a Dr. Dre thread yet again... lol
I agree, documentary was commercial and it followed the blueprint dre did with GRODT. It does not mean it was wack. It made sense for dre to come with a westcoast sort of GRODT with documentary after the success of that both numbers and reception wise. Jay-z blueprint was quite commercial too and alot of albums followed that blueprint too. Tracks being 'club sounding' has no negative effect on a album if its dope. All albums want to have club joints and heat when you tryna sell records. This goes back to the days of chronic and dogystyle to today with lil carter 3 to blueprint 3. They all want them club records and if its dope enough and enough people feel they can jam to it, so be it.
Oh and i originally accepted crack a bottle and we made you were hits. I said they were both garbage.
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This is actually an interesting thread some what. I was going to make a thread similar to this about the possible demise of the so called 'super producer' or super producers...the three which were first to be given this title in current times were neptunes, timbaland and the beast which is dre. But lets be real, neptunes while hugely gifted fell off...people keep talking about it being cuz chad left and thats debatable but neptunes used to bring out hits on a daily at one stage.
The you got timbaland...dude is arguebaly the only one of the three whos current sound remains with the current generation. That as in his shit don't sound dated, he still was atleast until very recently throwing out hits like its nothing and his music sounded modern still. Recently he gone abit quiet but he probably the most prominent of the three in terms of demand in recent times without doubt.
Dre which this thread is about i was thinking something of the sort of myself recently. When was dudes last CERTIFIED BANGER hit? crack a bottle was a hit but that was solely based on comebacks and names. The record is garbage. We made you was a hit too but any first single off an eminem album is a hit. lol...
So unless im wrong dudes last CERTIFIED BANGER was how we do with 50 n game. Now thats fire for sure but i mean thats fucking nearly half a decade ago now probably. Dude aint made a smash in a long time. Dude ran outta ideas and sounds? Is he finally making shit others can challenge and say they got hotter shit? Because i remember when dre was THAT NIGGA, dudes music was outshining everybody.
It must be a dent to his ego and makes him hungry though. These BIGGGGG time producers like dre and co want to be churning out hits for cats to appease themselves just as much as the fans. He better have some heat rocks on detox and whatever follows it.
*slaps head* So now Crack a Bottle doesn't count as a hit because its by a big name? And We Made You" doesn't count either? Lol, you might as well discount How We Do as well, that song did well because it was a Game/50 collab for Game's debut and it was commercial garbage anyways. ::)
Maybe you have trouble reading. I never said crack a bottle or we made you were not hits. I said they were garbage. Not CERTIFIED BANGERS!
LOL@commercial garbage. Who cares if a joint is commercial or not? In da club was commercial, was that garbage? A joint being commercial does not translate into it being garbage. As for how we do being a hit only because it was for games debut and a 50/game collabo is bulllshit. It got MAJOR love in clubs and i still see cats bumpin that shit in their whips come summer and it still gets a spin from time to time in clubs. The joints fire, from the beat to 50s verse, to games verse to the hook. Nothin deep, but fire. Its commercial...so? LOL
My original post was about when dres last record which was fire was a hit? Aint nobody listening to we made you unless you a em stan or a nerd/geek. Same with crack a bottle. Both were hits. I never denied that. Every eminem record is usually a hit, garbage or not lol.
I think someone mentioned outta control remix, i forgot about that. So yeh, the last two joints which got major love in clubs, in the hood, by hiphop listeners etc were how we do and outta control. Dude aint really made a fire joint which got released in a long ass time that became a hit. Nuff said.
Right, so what makes a commercial track garbage compared to another commercial track? It's nothing but your opinion. There's no such thing as a "certified banger". Just cause you don't like the track doesn't mean its garbage, its entirely subjective and pointless to argue. Most people here grew up on late 90s early 2000s music, and its kind of a given that you are going to like music from then more.
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Sigh. First let's all take a step back and ask the thread starter to define what he means by "hit" record. The meaning of this word is subjective. Define it objectively, and we'll be able to answer the question. For example, "When was Dr. Dre's last platinum-selling record that he both rapped on and produced?" That is a serious thread title, because it asks a concrete question that is answerable. As it is now, each of us has our own opinion of what makes a "hit" record, which is why each of us is giving a different answer. How silly.
As for the guy who said Still Dre is timeless -- it's far overrated to me. Big Egos was a waaay more advanced song on every level, including the piano-based chord progression, for starters. Then the song concept. Then the arrangement. Etc. Everything about it is better.
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U lyin str8 up cuz u was on that record snoop but it aint overrated...name some songs better than still dre...matter fact name some dre or even snoop songs better than still dre...and no big egos isnt up there that song is a anthem 2 this day...sad jay wrote it
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If he thinks Big Egos is better than Still Dre so be it, it's all opinion at the end of the day. What you think doesn't = fact just because you think it. Still Dre is dope, but to me it got over played so its one of the songs I tend to skip when I'm listening to 2001. Obviouslly it's a dope and classic track, but again to me, the fact that I've heard it so much takes away from it, so if I'm looking at 2001 on an ipod or summin Ima tend to play "Lightspeed" or a track that tends to get less burn.
It's all opinon, stop thinking that your own taste dictates what is and isn't dope
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He produced and co-produced all of Relapse except for once track. Straight to the Bank did decent but not great in '07 as did Bosses Life for Snoop.
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He produced and co-produced all of Relapse except for once track. Straight to the Bank did decent but not great in '07 as did Bosses Life for Snoop.
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This is actually an interesting thread some what. I was going to make a thread similar to this about the possible demise of the so called 'super producer' or super producers...the three which were first to be given this title in current times were neptunes, timbaland and the beast which is dre. But lets be real, neptunes while hugely gifted fell off...people keep talking about it being cuz chad left and thats debatable but neptunes used to bring out hits on a daily at one stage.
The you got timbaland...dude is arguebaly the only one of the three whos current sound remains with the current generation. That as in his shit don't sound dated, he still was atleast until very recently throwing out hits like its nothing and his music sounded modern still. Recently he gone abit quiet but he probably the most prominent of the three in terms of demand in recent times without doubt.
Dre which this thread is about i was thinking something of the sort of myself recently. When was dudes last CERTIFIED BANGER hit? crack a bottle was a hit but that was solely based on comebacks and names. The record is garbage. We made you was a hit too but any first single off an eminem album is a hit. lol...
So unless im wrong dudes last CERTIFIED BANGER was how we do with 50 n game. Now thats fire for sure but i mean thats fucking nearly half a decade ago now probably. Dude aint made a smash in a long time. Dude ran outta ideas and sounds? Is he finally making shit others can challenge and say they got hotter shit? Because i remember when dre was THAT NIGGA, dudes music was outshining everybody.
It must be a dent to his ego and makes him hungry though. These BIGGGGG time producers like dre and co want to be churning out hits for cats to appease themselves just as much as the fans. He better have some heat rocks on detox and whatever follows it.
*slaps head* So now Crack a Bottle doesn't count as a hit because its by a big name? And We Made You" doesn't count either? Lol, you might as well discount How We Do as well, that song did well because it was a Game/50 collab for Game's debut and it was commercial garbage anyways. ::)
Maybe you have trouble reading. I never said crack a bottle or we made you were not hits. I said they were garbage. Not CERTIFIED BANGERS!
LOL@commercial garbage. Who cares if a joint is commercial or not? In da club was commercial, was that garbage? A joint being commercial does not translate into it being garbage. As for how we do being a hit only because it was for games debut and a 50/game collabo is bulllshit. It got MAJOR love in clubs and i still see cats bumpin that shit in their whips come summer and it still gets a spin from time to time in clubs. The joints fire, from the beat to 50s verse, to games verse to the hook. Nothin deep, but fire. Its commercial...so? LOL
My original post was about when dres last record which was fire was a hit? Aint nobody listening to we made you unless you a em stan or a nerd/geek. Same with crack a bottle. Both were hits. I never denied that. Every eminem record is usually a hit, garbage or not lol.
I think someone mentioned outta control remix, i forgot about that. So yeh, the last two joints which got major love in clubs, in the hood, by hiphop listeners etc were how we do and outta control. Dude aint really made a fire joint which got released in a long ass time that became a hit. Nuff said.
what's with the inferiority complex? it keeps coming back in your posts :eh:
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Dre didnt do str8 2 the bank did he? And who said i said my opinion is fact? lol im statin mine like everyone else
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Dre didnt do str8 2 the bank did he? And who said i said my opinion is fact? lol im statin mine like everyone else
co-production and mixing credit i believe.
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This is actually an interesting thread some what. I was going to make a thread similar to this about the possible demise of the so called 'super producer' or super producers...the three which were first to be given this title in current times were neptunes, timbaland and the beast which is dre. But lets be real, neptunes while hugely gifted fell off...people keep talking about it being cuz chad left and thats debatable but neptunes used to bring out hits on a daily at one stage.
The you got timbaland...dude is arguebaly the only one of the three whos current sound remains with the current generation. That as in his shit don't sound dated, he still was atleast until very recently throwing out hits like its nothing and his music sounded modern still. Recently he gone abit quiet but he probably the most prominent of the three in terms of demand in recent times without doubt.
Dre which this thread is about i was thinking something of the sort of myself recently. When was dudes last CERTIFIED BANGER hit? crack a bottle was a hit but that was solely based on comebacks and names. The record is garbage. We made you was a hit too but any first single off an eminem album is a hit. lol...
So unless im wrong dudes last CERTIFIED BANGER was how we do with 50 n game. Now thats fire for sure but i mean thats fucking nearly half a decade ago now probably. Dude aint made a smash in a long time. Dude ran outta ideas and sounds? Is he finally making shit others can challenge and say they got hotter shit? Because i remember when dre was THAT NIGGA, dudes music was outshining everybody.
It must be a dent to his ego and makes him hungry though. These BIGGGGG time producers like dre and co want to be churning out hits for cats to appease themselves just as much as the fans. He better have some heat rocks on detox and whatever follows it.
*slaps head* So now Crack a Bottle doesn't count as a hit because its by a big name? And We Made You" doesn't count either? Lol, you might as well discount How We Do as well, that song did well because it was a Game/50 collab for Game's debut and it was commercial garbage anyways. ::)
Maybe you have trouble reading. I never said crack a bottle or we made you were not hits. I said they were garbage. Not CERTIFIED BANGERS!
LOL@commercial garbage. Who cares if a joint is commercial or not? In da club was commercial, was that garbage? A joint being commercial does not translate into it being garbage. As for how we do being a hit only because it was for games debut and a 50/game collabo is bulllshit. It got MAJOR love in clubs and i still see cats bumpin that shit in their whips come summer and it still gets a spin from time to time in clubs. The joints fire, from the beat to 50s verse, to games verse to the hook. Nothin deep, but fire. Its commercial...so? LOL
My original post was about when dres last record which was fire was a hit? Aint nobody listening to we made you unless you a em stan or a nerd/geek. Same with crack a bottle. Both were hits. I never denied that. Every eminem record is usually a hit, garbage or not lol.
I think someone mentioned outta control remix, i forgot about that. So yeh, the last two joints which got major love in clubs, in the hood, by hiphop listeners etc were how we do and outta control. Dude aint really made a fire joint which got released in a long ass time that became a hit. Nuff said.
what's with the inferiority complex? it keeps coming back in your posts :eh:
lol i think you've read enough of my posts to know there def aint no inferiority complex with me! I appreciate the concern though lol ;-)...unless u think i feel others are inferior to me. Again i don't but i know theres alot of idiots on here claiming to understand hiphop but only know of music if its linked to dre yet claiming to be hiphop heads. Even then they don't understand the music... ;-)
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well i can't read your mind, but the quote in bold seems like an example of descrediting some peoples' opinions.
when i look at latest response, i think you didn't intend to discredit anyone's opinion, but i don't see how the quote shows that you respect the opinions of the ones that liked crack a bottle & we made you
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"we made you" and "crack a bottle" were like the shittiest songs in Aftermath history (well in that small list anyways). let's not all get 2 actin' like niggaz appreciated those records. those records were STRAIGHT GARBAGE and y'all know it. I wish Dr. Dre could be my mentor but if he ever told me that "crack a bottle" and "we made you" were records that i should be learning to produce like i'd just walk outta the studio or tell him 2 stop bullshittin' me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy7hnQ26txM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlicbqIyt8c
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50 Cent, Eminem, D-12, Mary J Blige, Snoop Dogg, The Game..... multiple hits.
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"we made you" and "crack a bottle" were like the shittiest songs in Aftermath history (well in that small list anyways). let's not all get 2 actin' like niggaz appreciated those records. those records were STRAIGHT GARBAGE and y'all know it. I wish Dr. Dre could be my mentor but if he ever told me that "crack a bottle" and "we made you" were records that i should be learning to produce like i'd just walk outta the studio or tell him 2 stop bullshittin' me.
What in the world were wrong with those beats? ???
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What in the world were wrong with those beats? ???
Production is the entire sound of the record, not just the beats.
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"we made you" and "crack a bottle" were like the shittiest songs in Aftermath history (well in that small list anyways). let's not all get 2 actin' like niggaz appreciated those records. those records were STRAIGHT GARBAGE and y'all know it. I wish Dr. Dre could be my mentor but if he ever told me that "crack a bottle" and "we made you" were records that i should be learning to produce like i'd just walk outta the studio or tell him 2 stop bullshittin' me.
What in the world were wrong with those beats? ???
Lol, and this was the guy praising Under Pressure. Crack a bottle and We Made You were well-produced, especially Crack a Bottle, but they failed as entire songs, mostly due to Eminem
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'crack a bottle' and specially 'we made you' were nice produced songs.. i still play em sometimes when i got a feelin for some eminem music.. i could find like 20 worse aftermath records, easily
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"we made you" and "crack a bottle" were like the shittiest songs in Aftermath history (well in that small list anyways). let's not all get 2 actin' like niggaz appreciated those records. those records were STRAIGHT GARBAGE and y'all know it. I wish Dr. Dre could be my mentor but if he ever told me that "crack a bottle" and "we made you" were records that i should be learning to produce like i'd just walk outta the studio or tell him 2 stop bullshittin' me.
What in the world were wrong with those beats? ???
Lol, and this was the guy praising Under Pressure. Crack a bottle and We Made You were well-produced, especially Crack a Bottle, but they failed as entire songs, mostly due to Eminem
LOL, again. 3/5 is "praising". This is the guy who says forums would be boring if everybody agreed all the time. ::)
& I didn't say "what was wrong with the songs", I said what was wrong with the beats. I enjoyed Relapse, but those were at the bottom of my list of songs for that album, just because of Eminem. But the beats were BANGING. Radiotube was talking about the production & there is nothing wrong with either song in that respect.
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crack a bottle and we made you were just average as fuck, there's nothing special about those beats at all. i didn't say i didn't like 'em but they weren't exactly the best shit since fried chicken.
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Lol @ radiotube under pressure>>>cracc a bottle, real slim shady, we made u etc...and under pressure was nuthin special or anythin on the level of poppin them thangz
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Lol @ radiotube under pressure>>>cracc a bottle, real slim shady, we made u etc...and under pressure was nuthin special or anythin on the level of poppin them thangz
it wasn't on that level, you're completely right and i'm not a big fan of "under pressure" either but i'm a true fan so i'm just excited i got to hear some new Dre shit, i agree that it probably wouldn't last in my cd player for too long but i have 2 admit that it was kinda refreshing to hear something new that wasn't sounding like an Eminem record (dre's sound for Eminem was never all that appealing to me except on the MMLP and TES, Relapse was bangin' but it wasn't that gangsta shit i was hopin for)
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Yeah only thing good bout cracc a bottle was knowin dre really can still spit but he proved that on under pressure...cracc a bottle became number one cuz of who was on it not cuz of what it sounded like...cuz it sounded like trash as did we made u...and we made u sold cuz of the white boy and what he does everytime....otherwise how come outta control remix, poppin them thangz, didnt do outta this world numbers cuz it wasnt 4 the white people audience aka em cryin on his song
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"we made you" and "crack a bottle" were like the shittiest songs in Aftermath history (well in that small list anyways). let's not all get 2 actin' like niggaz appreciated those records. those records were STRAIGHT GARBAGE and y'all know it. I wish Dr. Dre could be my mentor but if he ever told me that "crack a bottle" and "we made you" were records that i should be learning to produce like i'd just walk outta the studio or tell him 2 stop bullshittin' me.
What in the world were wrong with those beats? ???
Lol, and this was the guy praising Under Pressure. Crack a bottle and We Made You were well-produced, especially Crack a Bottle, but they failed as entire songs, mostly due to Eminem
LOL, again. 3/5 is "praising". This is the guy who says forums would be boring if everybody agreed all the time. ::)
& I didn't say "what was wrong with the songs", I said what was wrong with the beats. I enjoyed Relapse, but those were at the bottom of my list of songs for that album, just because of Eminem. But the beats were BANGING. Radiotube was talking about the production & there is nothing wrong with either song in that respect.
By "this guy" I meant radiotube. I was agreeing with you. Crack a Bottle shits on Under Pressure as far as production goes.
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^Much apologies & respect. ;)
Just not use to it, that's all. ;D
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Why u apolizin cham? Haha
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it's a mature thing to do
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"we made you" and "crack a bottle" were like the shittiest songs in Aftermath history (well in that small list anyways). let's not all get 2 actin' like niggaz appreciated those records. those records were STRAIGHT GARBAGE and y'all know it. I wish Dr. Dre could be my mentor but if he ever told me that "crack a bottle" and "we made you" were records that i should be learning to produce like i'd just walk outta the studio or tell him 2 stop bullshittin' me.
What in the world were wrong with those beats? ???
Lol, and this was the guy praising Under Pressure. Crack a bottle and We Made You were well-produced, especially Crack a Bottle, but they failed as entire songs, mostly due to Eminem
LOL, again. 3/5 is "praising". This is the guy who says forums would be boring if everybody agreed all the time. ::)
& I didn't say "what was wrong with the songs", I said what was wrong with the beats. I enjoyed Relapse, but those were at the bottom of my list of songs for that album, just because of Eminem. But the beats were BANGING. Radiotube was talking about the production & there is nothing wrong with either song in that respect.
By "this guy" I meant radiotube. I was agreeing with you. Crack a Bottle shits on Under Pressure as far as production goes.
Crack a bottle is a complete track. Under pressure is not, so how you manage to conclude crack a bottle 'shits on' on it production wise i don't know considering its not even a fair comparison.
I'm sure the final version of under pressure will be much better than crack a bottle. But then that aint much of an accomplishment
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"we made you" and "crack a bottle" were like the shittiest songs in Aftermath history (well in that small list anyways). let's not all get 2 actin' like niggaz appreciated those records. those records were STRAIGHT GARBAGE and y'all know it. I wish Dr. Dre could be my mentor but if he ever told me that "crack a bottle" and "we made you" were records that i should be learning to produce like i'd just walk outta the studio or tell him 2 stop bullshittin' me.
What in the world were wrong with those beats? ???
Lol, and this was the guy praising Under Pressure. Crack a bottle and We Made You were well-produced, especially Crack a Bottle, but they failed as entire songs, mostly due to Eminem
LOL, again. 3/5 is "praising". This is the guy who says forums would be boring if everybody agreed all the time. ::)
& I didn't say "what was wrong with the songs", I said what was wrong with the beats. I enjoyed Relapse, but those were at the bottom of my list of songs for that album, just because of Eminem. But the beats were BANGING. Radiotube was talking about the production & there is nothing wrong with either song in that respect.
By "this guy" I meant radiotube. I was agreeing with you. Crack a Bottle shits on Under Pressure as far as production goes.
Crack a bottle is a complete track. Under pressure is not, so how you manage to conclude crack a bottle 'shits on' on it production wise i don't know considering its not even a fair comparison.
I'm sure the final version of under pressure will be much better than crack a bottle. But then that aint much of an accomplishment
Sell. Incomplete or not doesn't matter. We already know what the track will sound like, even if its not finished. The main melody of Under Pressure sucks. I can all but guarantee you that Dre scraps the song. The main melody of Crack a Bottle is dope (its a sample, and its been used before)
btw just for the fuck of it, here's the original sample
http://www.youtube.com/v/qLlzDWG40w8
Here's another song that samples it
http://www.youtube.com/v/9rj5ehxuRQM
So Dre using it wasn't the most creative use of a sample. But sonically it shits on the garbage that is Under Pressure. Even for techno rap that sounds bad. What killed Crack a Bottle was the garbage hook that Em sung and the completely unimpressive verses. What killed Under Pressure was the beat.
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If Crack A Bottle was a Dre & 50 track only with a different hook it would be the shit. And the beat is great, classy but got that stadium status feel to it.
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"we made you" and "crack a bottle" were like the shittiest songs in Aftermath history (well in that small list anyways). let's not all get 2 actin' like niggaz appreciated those records. those records were STRAIGHT GARBAGE and y'all know it. I wish Dr. Dre could be my mentor but if he ever told me that "crack a bottle" and "we made you" were records that i should be learning to produce like i'd just walk outta the studio or tell him 2 stop bullshittin' me.
What in the world were wrong with those beats? ???
Lol, and this was the guy praising Under Pressure. Crack a bottle and We Made You were well-produced, especially Crack a Bottle, but they failed as entire songs, mostly due to Eminem
LOL, again. 3/5 is "praising". This is the guy who says forums would be boring if everybody agreed all the time. ::)
& I didn't say "what was wrong with the songs", I said what was wrong with the beats. I enjoyed Relapse, but those were at the bottom of my list of songs for that album, just because of Eminem. But the beats were BANGING. Radiotube was talking about the production & there is nothing wrong with either song in that respect.
By "this guy" I meant radiotube. I was agreeing with you. Crack a Bottle shits on Under Pressure as far as production goes.
Crack a bottle is a complete track. Under pressure is not, so how you manage to conclude crack a bottle 'shits on' on it production wise i don't know considering its not even a fair comparison.
I'm sure the final version of under pressure will be much better than crack a bottle. But then that aint much of an accomplishment
Sell. Incomplete or not doesn't matter. We already know what the track will sound like, even if its not finished. The main melody of Under Pressure sucks. I can all but guarantee you that Dre scraps the song. The main melody of Crack a Bottle is dope (its a sample, and its been used before)
btw just for the fuck of it, here's the original sample
http://www.youtube.com/v/qLlzDWG40w8
Here's another song that samples it
http://www.youtube.com/v/9rj5ehxuRQM
So Dre using it wasn't the most creative use of a sample. But sonically it shits on the garbage that is Under Pressure. Even for techno rap that sounds bad. What killed Crack a Bottle was the garbage hook that Em sung and the completely unimpressive verses. What killed Under Pressure was the beat.
I heard the original sample a long time ago...well not long, but when crack a bottle dropped and the original was garbage as was the dre produced track. Sonically it was wack. YOU say what killed crack a bottle was the garbage hook and unimpressive verses. Well i agree but thats part of PRODUCTION. Even if you just talking about the beat alone then its garbage and its basically done nothing to the sample and added a shitty hook and wack verses to it. That to me is a total fail. It was meant to be a club song, i NEVER hear that shit getting play anywhere.
Under pressure i won't comment on till i hear the final product (if we ever hear it) but i could probably see it being a more accceptable club joint then crack a bottle. Jiggaz verse on it kills anything on crack a bottle, he sounds way more lively and even dres got something going on in the joint especially the part after jiggaz verse. Only thing i would say it that dre does need to work on that beat for sure lol. The wave/synth sorta effect is corny as fuck. But it aint complete. I could still see it being better than crack a bottle but its nothing but speculation until we hear it.
All i know is i heard crack a bottle in its finished version and it was GARBAGE. Just because dre 'produced' it does not mean he cannot come for criticism from me or because he got the big names on it. The production and as a song, crack a bottle is straight up garbage to me.
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"we made you" and "crack a bottle" were like the shittiest songs in Aftermath history (well in that small list anyways). let's not all get 2 actin' like niggaz appreciated those records. those records were STRAIGHT GARBAGE and y'all know it. I wish Dr. Dre could be my mentor but if he ever told me that "crack a bottle" and "we made you" were records that i should be learning to produce like i'd just walk outta the studio or tell him 2 stop bullshittin' me.
What in the world were wrong with those beats? ???
Lol, and this was the guy praising Under Pressure. Crack a bottle and We Made You were well-produced, especially Crack a Bottle, but they failed as entire songs, mostly due to Eminem
LOL, again. 3/5 is "praising". This is the guy who says forums would be boring if everybody agreed all the time. ::)
& I didn't say "what was wrong with the songs", I said what was wrong with the beats. I enjoyed Relapse, but those were at the bottom of my list of songs for that album, just because of Eminem. But the beats were BANGING. Radiotube was talking about the production & there is nothing wrong with either song in that respect.
By "this guy" I meant radiotube. I was agreeing with you. Crack a Bottle shits on Under Pressure as far as production goes.
Crack a bottle is a complete track. Under pressure is not, so how you manage to conclude crack a bottle 'shits on' on it production wise i don't know considering its not even a fair comparison.
I'm sure the final version of under pressure will be much better than crack a bottle. But then that aint much of an accomplishment
Sell. Incomplete or not doesn't matter. We already know what the track will sound like, even if its not finished. The main melody of Under Pressure sucks. I can all but guarantee you that Dre scraps the song. The main melody of Crack a Bottle is dope (its a sample, and its been used before)
btw just for the fuck of it, here's the original sample
http://www.youtube.com/v/qLlzDWG40w8
Here's another song that samples it
http://www.youtube.com/v/9rj5ehxuRQM
So Dre using it wasn't the most creative use of a sample. But sonically it shits on the garbage that is Under Pressure. Even for techno rap that sounds bad. What killed Crack a Bottle was the garbage hook that Em sung and the completely unimpressive verses. What killed Under Pressure was the beat.
I heard the original sample a long time ago...well not long, but when crack a bottle dropped and the original was garbage as was the dre produced track. Sonically it was wack. YOU say what killed crack a bottle was the garbage hook and unimpressive verses. Well i agree but thats part of PRODUCTION. Even if you just talking about the beat alone then its garbage and its basically done nothing to the sample and added a shitty hook and wack verses to it. That to me is a total fail. It was meant to be a club song, i NEVER hear that shit getting play anywhere.
Under pressure i won't comment on till i hear the final product (if we ever hear it) but i could probably see it being a more accceptable club joint then crack a bottle. Jiggaz verse on it kills anything on crack a bottle, he sounds way more lively and even dres got something going on in the joint especially the part after jiggaz verse. Only thing i would say it that dre does need to work on that beat for sure lol. The wave/synth sorta effect is corny as fuck. But it aint complete. I could still see it being better than crack a bottle but its nothing but speculation until we hear it.
All i know is i heard crack a bottle in its finished version and it was GARBAGE. Just because dre 'produced' it does not mean he cannot come for criticism from me or because he got the big names on it. The production and as a song, crack a bottle is straight up garbage to me.
First of all, no, hooks and verses are not a part of production. That's a separate thing called writing. If Dr. Dre comes up with a beat and gives it to Eminem, he's the producer, not Eminem. Case and point: Eminem is not the producer of Crack a Bottle, Dre is. But Eminem wrote the lyrics and the hook.
Secondly, hell no. The beat for crack a bottle was dope. The sample is dope as fuck with that epic feel to it. Did Dre do much to it? No. That doesn't make it any less dope, just like all those songs Puffy produced for Big. Under Pressure on the other hand is amateur and shoddy work. And it not being finished doesn't matter. If the main beat of something is already wack, adding things to it isn't going to help it much.
Thirdly, whether something is a club song or not shouldn't matter. I go to the clubs once in a while and very rarely am I ever impressed with the production of the music they play. And there you go, talking about the lyrics and Jigga's flow on Under Pressure (neither were impressive btw) when that has nothing to do with producing a song. Clearly you don't understand the difference.
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"we made you" and "crack a bottle" were like the shittiest songs in Aftermath history (well in that small list anyways). let's not all get 2 actin' like niggaz appreciated those records. those records were STRAIGHT GARBAGE and y'all know it. I wish Dr. Dre could be my mentor but if he ever told me that "crack a bottle" and "we made you" were records that i should be learning to produce like i'd just walk outta the studio or tell him 2 stop bullshittin' me.
What in the world were wrong with those beats? ???
Lol, and this was the guy praising Under Pressure. Crack a bottle and We Made You were well-produced, especially Crack a Bottle, but they failed as entire songs, mostly due to Eminem
LOL, again. 3/5 is "praising". This is the guy who says forums would be boring if everybody agreed all the time. ::)
& I didn't say "what was wrong with the songs", I said what was wrong with the beats. I enjoyed Relapse, but those were at the bottom of my list of songs for that album, just because of Eminem. But the beats were BANGING. Radiotube was talking about the production & there is nothing wrong with either song in that respect.
By "this guy" I meant radiotube. I was agreeing with you. Crack a Bottle shits on Under Pressure as far as production goes.
Crack a bottle is a complete track. Under pressure is not, so how you manage to conclude crack a bottle 'shits on' on it production wise i don't know considering its not even a fair comparison.
I'm sure the final version of under pressure will be much better than crack a bottle. But then that aint much of an accomplishment
Sell. Incomplete or not doesn't matter. We already know what the track will sound like, even if its not finished. The main melody of Under Pressure sucks. I can all but guarantee you that Dre scraps the song. The main melody of Crack a Bottle is dope (its a sample, and its been used before)
btw just for the fuck of it, here's the original sample
http://www.youtube.com/v/qLlzDWG40w8
Here's another song that samples it
http://www.youtube.com/v/9rj5ehxuRQM
So Dre using it wasn't the most creative use of a sample. But sonically it shits on the garbage that is Under Pressure. Even for techno rap that sounds bad. What killed Crack a Bottle was the garbage hook that Em sung and the completely unimpressive verses. What killed Under Pressure was the beat.
I heard the original sample a long time ago...well not long, but when crack a bottle dropped and the original was garbage as was the dre produced track. Sonically it was wack. YOU say what killed crack a bottle was the garbage hook and unimpressive verses. Well i agree but thats part of PRODUCTION. Even if you just talking about the beat alone then its garbage and its basically done nothing to the sample and added a shitty hook and wack verses to it. That to me is a total fail. It was meant to be a club song, i NEVER hear that shit getting play anywhere.
Under pressure i won't comment on till i hear the final product (if we ever hear it) but i could probably see it being a more accceptable club joint then crack a bottle. Jiggaz verse on it kills anything on crack a bottle, he sounds way more lively and even dres got something going on in the joint especially the part after jiggaz verse. Only thing i would say it that dre does need to work on that beat for sure lol. The wave/synth sorta effect is corny as fuck. But it aint complete. I could still see it being better than crack a bottle but its nothing but speculation until we hear it.
All i know is i heard crack a bottle in its finished version and it was GARBAGE. Just because dre 'produced' it does not mean he cannot come for criticism from me or because he got the big names on it. The production and as a song, crack a bottle is straight up garbage to me.
First of all, no, hooks and verses are not a part of production. That's a separate thing called writing. If Dr. Dre comes up with a beat and gives it to Eminem, he's the producer, not Eminem. Case and point: Eminem is not the producer of Crack a Bottle, Dre is. But Eminem wrote the lyrics and the hook.
Secondly, hell no. The beat for crack a bottle was dope. The sample is dope as fuck with that epic feel to it. Did Dre do much to it? No. That doesn't make it any less dope, just like all those songs Puffy produced for Big. Under Pressure on the other hand is amateur and shoddy work. And it not being finished doesn't matter. If the main beat of something is already wack, adding things to it isn't going to help it much.
Thirdly, whether something is a club song or not shouldn't matter. I go to the clubs once in a while and very rarely am I ever impressed with the production of the music they play. And there you go, talking about the lyrics and Jigga's flow on Under Pressure (neither were impressive btw) when that has nothing to do with producing a song. Clearly you don't understand the difference.
First of all...i clearly understand the difference and its YOU who does not...which is kinda hilarious considering you claim you had studio time...which by the way don't mean shit, plenty of people have spent time in the booth.
Second of all, verses are not entirely part of production as are hooks, i agree. They are writing, but if you're producing a track and are involved with it as a real producer, you should be giving direction to the verses and the hook. Kind of like under pressure not having a hook. You think they aint worked on a hook for it? The reason there aint a hook thus far for it is because there aint one satisfactory to dre. That is production. The fact that dre let eminem spit his hook on crack a bottle instead of having it reworked or changed is an example of both poor hook writing and PRODUCTION. Beat making alone does not constitute a great production. Production is the final product. Instrumental is a standalone part of the finished version. Kind of like the hook/verses are....as in they are accapellas. When it all comes together and its in its final version as a song, then its a fully produced joint. Thats production in its final setup. Everything else is the process of production, hence producing a joint.
This is what you said earlier in this thread ''Right, so what makes a commercial track garbage compared to another commercial track? It's nothing but your opinion. There's no such thing as a "certified banger". Just cause you don't like the track doesn't mean its garbage, its entirely subjective and pointless to argue.''....
^^While i dont agree with the part on there aint no such thing as a certified banger...because there actually are in hiphop, its like albums which are certified classics, some people might not like them but are generally recognised as classics or dope albums, its the same with joints. Regardless the reason i pointed that example of what you said is because you claim its pointless to argue if you don't like a track or not...because its subjective yet hear you are going back n forth with me about crack a bottle...lol..its only natural to debate/argue...whatever you want to call it.
Now to this...the sample is wack and there aint nothing epic to it at all. The only thing thats likeable about it to my ear is thats its not monotone and its a kinda thick beat. But its still boring and nothing epic or great at all. Its not dope. The drum pattern on under pressure is much better in my opinion. Hey if crack a bottle is your type of music, go for it, but thats not getting any spins at all by me!
Now whether a song is a club track or not should not matter, i agree. A joint don't need to be club/street/commercial/under ground/pop/gully etc for it to be dope. But the point of crack a bottle was to be a club joint. It failed. There are plenty of songs both past and present which come on in clubs which are way better than crack a bottle.
As for jiggaz part on under pressure, lyrically its nothing but enjoyable shit, its not supposed to be deep but he goes off on it nice, and while when jiggaz spitting, its him writing and spitting his verse, i was talking about the song as a whole and how jigga sounded much more natural than eminem on crack a bottle.
Like i said, if you think crack a bottle is dope or had dope production, good for you. But to me its a wack joint with generic production at best. He got three big names, they all just spit there verses and its got a wack hook while they aint even been the slightest bit creative with the sample. Dope production? Get the fuck outta here.
I can actually think of a recent song which used a shitty sample and crafted it into something great. Just blaze' work on 'no love' for eminem. Now thats great production and shits all over crack a bottle.
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studio time? Lol, I never said I had studio time. I don't even record music. Lol @ you looking through my posts trying to find something to say.
Dr. Dre didn't write the hooks or verses, Eminem did. If hooks or verses were a part of production then the rapper should get co-production credit right? Oh, but they never do. Because its not producing. Dr. Dre may or may not have influenced Eminem's hook, we don't know. That doesn't mean beats and hooks are a part of production. I'm sure he has the final say on the hooks and verses for his own albums, but songs on other people's albums? You can't assume that. Dr. Dre tends to have a bigger hand in the music coming out of his label then most producers, but 90% of producers give the artist the beat to spit on. They rarely are overseeing shit like hooks and verses. And for you to assume that Dr. Dre did this on Crack a Bottle is speculation.
So this is all opinion, fine. I'm not saying this is fact. My opinion is that the beat for Under Pressure is wack as fuck and the beat for Crack a Bottle sounded epic and dope. Was Dre creative with the sample? No. But several of these "certified bangers" you are talking about weren't either. Crack a Bottle was a sample most people hadn't heard before and that's good enough for me. If they had come with a decent hook and without Eminem's juvenile antics it could've been a dope song as well.
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studio time? Lol, I never said I had studio time. I don't even record music. Lol @ you looking through my posts trying to find something to say.
Dr. Dre didn't write the hooks or verses, Eminem did. If hooks or verses were a part of production then the rapper should get co-production credit right? Oh, but they never do. Because its not producing. Dr. Dre may or may not have influenced Eminem's hook, we don't know. That doesn't mean beats and hooks are a part of production. I'm sure he has the final say on the hooks and verses for his own albums, but songs on other people's albums? You can't assume that. Dr. Dre tends to have a bigger hand in the music coming out of his label then most producers, but 90% of producers give the artist the beat to spit on. They rarely are overseeing shit like hooks and verses. And for you to assume that Dr. Dre did this on Crack a Bottle is speculation.
So this is all opinion, fine. I'm not saying this is fact. My opinion is that the beat for Under Pressure is wack as fuck and the beat for Crack a Bottle sounded epic and dope. Was Dre creative with the sample? No. But several of these "certified bangers" you are talking about weren't either. Crack a Bottle was a sample most people hadn't heard before and that's good enough for me. If they had come with a decent hook and without Eminem's juvenile antics it could've been a dope song as well.
I was not looking through your posts, i just remember reading a post of yours about you spending time in a studio or something and the other part i quoted was beacuse it was initially directed at me i think but i thought it was not initially worth a response. If i was wrong about that, my bad, it could have been anothet cat in here.
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Seems like most hate cracc a bottle? And if dre would have written it...would it have been any better since many are statin dre didnt write it...
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Seems like most hate cracc a bottle? And if dre would have written it...would it have been any better since many are statin dre didnt write it...
well i think Eminem can write a better hook than that
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Example of a song where em did a better job? And whats some hooks dre has written...if any (some of xzibits?)
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studio time? Lol, I never said I had studio time. I don't even record music. Lol @ you looking through my posts trying to find something to say.
Dr. Dre didn't write the hooks or verses, Eminem did. If hooks or verses were a part of production then the rapper should get co-production credit right? Oh, but they never do. Because its not producing. Dr. Dre may or may not have influenced Eminem's hook, we don't know. That doesn't mean beats and hooks are a part of production. I'm sure he has the final say on the hooks and verses for his own albums, but songs on other people's albums? You can't assume that. Dr. Dre tends to have a bigger hand in the music coming out of his label then most producers, but 90% of producers give the artist the beat to spit on. They rarely are overseeing shit like hooks and verses. And for you to assume that Dr. Dre did this on Crack a Bottle is speculation.
So this is all opinion, fine. I'm not saying this is fact. My opinion is that the beat for Under Pressure is wack as fuck and the beat for Crack a Bottle sounded epic and dope. Was Dre creative with the sample? No. But several of these "certified bangers" you are talking about weren't either. Crack a Bottle was a sample most people hadn't heard before and that's good enough for me. If they had come with a decent hook and without Eminem's juvenile antics it could've been a dope song as well.
I was not looking through your posts, i just remember reading a post of yours about you spending time in a studio or something and the other part i quoted was beacuse it was initially directed at me i think but i thought it was not initially worth a response. If i was wrong about that, my bad, it could have been anothet cat in here.
Never been in a studio and never claimed to be. You must be thinking of someone else. Hell, I've never even recorded lyrics. I write lyrics here and again but that's it.
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Seems like most hate cracc a bottle? And if dre would have written it...would it have been any better since many are statin dre didnt write it...
well i think Eminem can write a better hook than that
that hook was baaaaad. And also proof that what you say is more important than how many multies you use.
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Example of a song where em did a better job? And whats some hooks dre has written...if any (some of xzibits?)
Marshall Mathers - hook fits the song perfectly.
as far as Dre hooks: i don't know if he's ever written a hook, but a lot of times others do it for him.
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think him and xzibit wok well and much better than em and dre...why is he n luv wit that white boy?
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think him and xzibit wok well and much better than em and dre...why is he n luv wit that white boy?
He makes him more money than Xzibit
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I know but make time 4 ya boy...bitch please part 1 n 2...best of things...year 2k (wit mel mans guidance) man vs machine shit etc...
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I know but make time 4 ya boy...bitch please part 1 n 2...best of things...year 2k (wit mel mans guidance) man vs machine shit etc...
Full circle was rushed & Dre didn't make the cut of the other album.
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I know but make time 4 ya boy...bitch please part 1 n 2...best of things...year 2k (wit mel mans guidance) man vs machine shit etc...
Full circle was rushed & Dre didn't make the cut of the other album.
Was it Grown Man Shit that got cut? It was a dope track but it was quite monotonous
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Grown man bizznez which is the same song...one of my less favorite dre traxx
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I was just bumping Restless the other day, Dre and X make a damn good team
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I was just bumping Restless the other day, Dre and X make a damn good team
Yeah, Restless was a fucking classic. 8)
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I was just bumping Restless the other day, Dre and X make a damn good team
Yeah, Restless was a fucking classic. 8)
all the producers came through in a big way on that album, I forgot how dope "Rimz and Tirez" was, some real 8) 8) 8) shit
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Crazy that defari was on 2 songs on restless
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I know but make time 4 ya boy...bitch please part 1 n 2...best of things...year 2k (wit mel mans guidance) man vs machine shit etc...
Full circle was rushed & Dre didn't make the cut of the other album.
Was it Grown Man Shit that got cut? It was a dope track but it was quite monotonous
Grown man business, yeah, you uploaded that song for me once