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Reasonable Doubt - (4.5) That's right NOT a classic, it is it's the second most overrated classic of all time, people who call this classic, put this album next to real classic from other NYC rappers like Nas, Rakim, BIG, KRS.... and you realize this album isn't in the same stratosphere of those album. It's still a great album though, just not a classic
Vol. 1 - (3.5) Predictable sophomore slump but still a solid effort
Vol. 2 - (3.0) Had huge hits, but takeaway the singles and you realize the rest of the tracks are terrible (except "It's Like That" which is one the best tracks on the album)
Vol. 3 - (2.0) Again, people only remember the singles, the rest of the album is unbearable
Blueprint - (4.0) For some reason a lot of idiots consider this a classic, so this makes it the most overrated classic of all time, this a good album carried by excellent production
Blueprint 2 - (2.5) Too much, cut out all the filler and your left with an EP let alone a double LP
Black Album - (4.5) Arguably his best album, he should have left the game on this album
Kingdom Come - (2.0) Come on now....
American Gangster - (4.0) Very good concept album, too bad it's overlooked because I feel he returned to form with this album
Blueprint 3 - (2.0) This is nothing more then him masturbating to himself for for 60 minutes
(All scored out of 5)
So this discography = GOAT status? or best rapper alive? I wouldn't put him in Nas level let alone seeing Ice Cube
But let's be sum it up, being a great hip hop artist has nothing to do with music or talent, just how much money you make and albums sold
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plus his mommy made him apologize to nas for dissing him = FAIL
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he made a lot of money and all, but nas is better.
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i like Jay but he's a pussy. he thinks he's too elite to battle niggaz. that kinda strips a little bit of respect from his name.
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he's far from the goat,again it's only a fucc'n catch phrase for him,plus he's a woman anyway yell
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Is this the hater thread or something lol
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Reasonable Doubt - 5/5 - Definitely a classic
Vol.1 - 4.5/5 - Take away the two corny songs and you have a classic
Vol.2 - 3/5 - One of his worst albums
Vol.3 - 3.5/5 - Album is a grower
Blueprint - 4/5 - Not classic but very good
Blueprint 2 - 3.5/5 - Cut down to 12-14 track album and it would be a classic. Too much filler.
Black Album - 5/5 - Classic, his best album
Kingdom Come - 3/5 - All around average
American Gangster - 3.75/5 - Old school, great shit
Blueprint 3 - 3.5/5 - Grower
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Reasonable Doubt - 5/5 - Definitely a classic
Vol.1 - 4.5/5 - Take away the two corny songs and you have a classic
Vol.2 - 3/5 - One of his worst albums
Vol.3 - 3.5/5 - Album is a grower
Blueprint - 4/5 - Not classic but very good
Blueprint 2 - 3.5/5 - Cut down to 12-14 track album and it would be a classic. Too much filler.
Black Album - 5/5 - Classic, his best album
Kingdom Come - 3/5 - All around average
American Gangster - 3.75/5 - Old school, great shit
Blueprint 3 - 3.5/5 - Grower
Agree with all of this, maybe give Blueprint 4.5 and Vol.1 a 4 though. Jiggas dope, he gets hated on wayyy to much round here. I dunno bout the definitive GOAT but he's definitely a contender. To me Black Album is his dopest, if he had actually retired after that shit would of been amazing finish
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Who said he was the GOAT? & He's got some classic music under his belt; like ALL of "Reasonable Doubt" lol.
i like Jay but he's a pussy. he thinks he's too elite to battle niggaz. that kinda strips a little bit of respect from his name.
Everybody needs some sort of gimmick or style. Somebody in the game needs to be that "I'm too good for it", Jay took it.
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I wouldn't say he's too elite, he just picks his battles carefully. Word to Takeover and Dig A Hole. If he's not gonna gain anything by battling a scrub who's coming at him sideways for no reason then whats the point. He just let them kill themselves off
I was gonna kill a couple rappers
But they did it to themselves
I was gon' do it with the flow
But they did it with their sales
I was gon' 9/11 'em, but they didn't need the help
And they did a good job them boys is talented as hell
Cuz not only did they brick they put a building up as well
They ran a plane into that building and when that building fell
Ran to the crash site with no masks and inhaled
Toxins deep inside their lungs until both of them was filled
Blew a cloud out like a L into a jar then took a smell
Cuz they heard that second hand smoke kills
Niggas thought they was ill found out they was...ILL
And it's like you knew exactly how I wanted you to feel
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jay only has 1 good song and guess what the features is what makes the song dope big pimpin UGK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gay-z
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jay only has 1 good song and guess what the features is what makes the song dope big pimpin UGK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gay-z
bring it on?
lobseter and scrimp?
those 2 are classics
but overall VERY over rated yes.
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jay only has 1 good song and guess what the features is what makes the song dope big pimpin UGK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gay-z
bring it on?
lobseter and scrimp?
those 2 are classics
but overall VERY over rated yes.
i just dont like jay-z dont like his voice dont like his rhymes i cant get into his music dude sounds boring to me but all this is my own opinion
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Extremely overrated and nas isnt great n the cd selection but goin head 2 head nas on his got urself a gun flow would, has, does and currently is still better than him and mas aint nowhere near tha escobar style
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he made a lot of money and all, but nas is better.
^This
Definately agree about Blueprint, i've never got what's so amazing about it ???
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Loved Volume 2. Volume 1 has grown on me alot over the years, lyrically slick as fuck. Definitely agree on the 1st Blueprint being waaay overrated. I think that album did more for Kanye and Just Blaze because they carried that album beat wise.
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Reasonable Doubt - 5/5
I ain't a jigga fan besides that album. If REASONABLE DOUBT isn't considered a classic the list isn't even worth looking at....
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Jay still disses a lot of cat. Hell, that was most of Blueprint 3. The difference is, since Nas, he's more or less done it subliminally. Hell, before Nas he did it subliminally. It's just his style. So, if they get offended they just big him up more by giving him free press because they have to say his name since they're assuming the subliminal is about them. That's one of Jay's greatest feats is getting under cats skins. It's smart yet hypocritical when you look at his lyrics. Take, Dear Summer where he says he doesn't respect disses unless it's directed yet he doesn't direct his own.
I got love for Jay. Cats like to shit on him because he's one of the few to actually get their proper spot light and run with it.
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The Black Album & The Blueprint are 5/5 you can't argue his imapct with those albums (no one except Em & Nelly were really selling at that time) see it's easy for him now he does pop-oirientated songs featuring R&B singers and his album sold but the main reason is Radio all his songs are heavily played to the point it turns people off his muisc...But if u listen he has very cleaver ways in his delivery (Em hasnt lasted as long but is still superior in impact over all) it's just the test of time bro Jay is just simply oversaturated by the industry really because New York is biased when it comes to him (dude has dont how many songs with Beyonce and Rihanna? How many features on Many different R&B albums? No one takes any thing away from him even to the point they credit him with the success of the songs (Foxy Brown) ...Dude is a great MC and music is good but he has albums that are more superior than classic (Vol.1 is dope but his desperate attempt at Bad Boy/Puffy shit was wack espeacially the videos) "the Dynasty" (he switches his style to gangster on the cover after Bentley's and watches and suits, to bandannas and gang signs) really he is just smart at following trends bringing them NYC to get Propped for it...
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Reasonable Doubt - 5/5
If REASONABLE DOUBT isn't considered a classic the list isn't even worth looking at....
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Best flow, Most consistent, Realest stories
Most charisma, I set the most trends
And my interviews are hotter
Holla
:o :-\ :'(
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Reasonable Doubt - (4.5) great album
Vol. 1 - (2.5) ok 2nd album
Vol. 2 - (2) terrible album.
Vol. 3 - (2) instant replay of last album
Dynasty - (4) stepped it up for this one
Blueprint - (4) overrated but still a solid album
Blueprint 2 - (1) horrible - this album sucked
Black Album - (1) sucked again
Kingdom Come - (1) sucked again
American Gangster - (2) a lil better
Blueprint 3 - (2) whatever
to me Jay got some great songs but way too many wack songs. so thats how i feel
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FACT: All of his shit except the last 3 have been better than 9/10 rap releases in the last 15 years.
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GOAT ? hell no! one of the best ? i think we can say yes,solid disco if you ask me and i'm not even a big fan of his work except a couple of track that i really like
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GOAT ? hell no! one of the best ? i think we can say yes.....
^ This. People are always gonna debate who the GOAT is.
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GOAT ? hell no! one of the best ? i think we can say yes.....
^ This. People are always gonna debate who the GOAT is.
i know,it's nothing new lol same shit different day
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He's every album is hit charts debute at no1...thats somthing that u got to respect
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Black album is overrated. Half of the songs get boring very quickly.
E.g. Change Clothes, Threat, justify my thug, allure, my first song.
ot overhyped cause of the dope singles like 99 probs and dirt of your shoulder.
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Someone needs to slap the dude who created this thread.
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Someone needs to slap the dude who created this thread.
longbeach has always been like this so most of us accept his extreme views for what they are.
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Is reasonable doubt really that good or its classic cuz of when it came out?
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I like how people on this board use "impact" & "legacy" all the time when comparing lesser known old school rappers; but when it comes to Jay-Z nobody stands up & makes that argument for him.
It really shows some of your true colors.
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volume 1 is overrated as fucc,but i forget it's alot of "emo tional" equals on this site, jays a great mc and very strategic but he's never been really a creative force, he always rides whats in, but if your first objective is chipper jones hey it's a dub for mr carter-knowles yell
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GOAT ? hell no! one of the best ? i think we can say yes.....
^ This. People are always gonna debate who the GOAT is.
either way Jay-z don't belong in the top 10
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GOAT ? hell no! one of the best ? i think we can say yes.....
^ This. People are always gonna debate who the GOAT is.
Nas > Jay for me, but Jay still top 10 for sure.
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Reasonable Doubt - 4.5/5 - Definitely a classic
Vol.1 - 3.75/5 -
Vol.2 - 3/5 -
Vol.3 - 3.25/5 -
Blueprint - 4/5 -
Blueprint 2 - 3/5 -
Black Album - 4.5/5 -
Kingdom Come - 3.5/5 -
American Gangster - 3.75/5 -
Blueprint 3 - 3.5/5 -
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Who said he was the GOAT? & He's got some classic music under his belt; like ALL of "Reasonable Doubt" lol.
Jome said so, but he's gone :D
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He aint n top 20
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GOAT ? hell no! one of the best ? i think we can say yes.....
^ This. People are always gonna debate who the GOAT is.
Jay still top 10 for sure.
imo...but the conversation is so played out on this board, we're never all going to agree, everyone is entitled to their opinions, shit gets boring after a while lol
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U cannot call anyone the GOAT because everyone has had great albums and also shit albums.
Daz has released some great albums hey.
Snoop has released some great albums but recently they have all been shit.
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GOAT ? hell no! one of the best ? i think we can say yes.....
^ This. People are always gonna debate who the GOAT is.
either way Jay-z don't belong in the top 10
true, Jay as a rapper cannot hang with Mos Def but remember it's all about $$$, and according to you all that makes him a better rapper
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Jay-Z >>> Snoop
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Is reasonable doubt really that good or its classic cuz of when it came out?
Actually it didn't sell very well when it came out. It wasn't until Jay-Z's second album that people started paying attention to him. Imo its one of the best mafioso rap albums, behind Only Built 4 Cuban Linx.
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Actually it didn't sell very well when it came out. It wasn't until Jay-Z's second album that people started paying attention to him. Imo its one of the best mafioso rap albums, behind Only Built 4 Cuban Linx.
Jay didn't really take off until "Vol. 2" with that Hard Knock Life shit and "Can I Get A...". Thing about Jay is he has longevity. As the game changes and new fans with different tastes move in, Jay can still hold his own on the charts. It's comforting for people to call him overrated but I don't think people give him his due like they should.
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Dont give him his due? Damn he became what he is cuz of fans and media otherwise he should never b n top 20
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Who said he was the GOAT? & He's got some classic music under his belt; like ALL of "Reasonable Doubt" lol.
Jome said so, but he's gone :D
Where has he gone?
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Reasonable Doubt - (4.5) That's right NOT a classic, it is it's the second most overrated classic of all time, people who call this classic, put this album next to real classic from other NYC rappers like Nas, Rakim, BIG, KRS.... and you realize this album isn't in the same stratosphere of those album. It's still a great album though, just not a classic
WORD!
It doesn't hold up to other classics, and the only reason people think it's a classic is because when Jay-Z blew up a few years after Reasonable Doubt, everyone was like, oh, he could be the best, but surely the best has to have had a classic album, what's his best album? It's Reasonable Doubt, so it must be classic ::)
When really, no one was even considering Reasonable Doubt as a classic for like the first 5-10 years it was out, but suddenly Jay-Z gets some hits and that shit all of a sudden is a classic, but based on nothing - it didn't bring any new production or rapping styles to the front, in face Jay-Z's rapping on there was more simplistic than what was out at the time!
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Dont give him his due? Damn he became what he is cuz of fans and media otherwise he should never b n top 20
Right...... ::)
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Aint nuthin special bout jay lyrically...whats the most important "thing" about a artist" they should at least b able 2 take-over a ether...haha
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Reasonable Doubt - (4.5) That's right NOT a classic, it is it's the second most overrated classic of all time, people who call this classic, put this album next to real classic from other NYC rappers like Nas, Rakim, BIG, KRS.... and you realize this album isn't in the same stratosphere of those album. It's still a great album though, just not a classic
WORD!
It doesn't hold up to other classics, and the only reason people think it's a classic is because when Jay-Z blew up a few years after Reasonable Doubt, everyone was like, oh, he could be the best, but surely the best has to have had a classic album, what's his best album? It's Reasonable Doubt, so it must be classic ::)
When really, no one was even considering Reasonable Doubt as a classic for like the first 5-10 years it was out, but suddenly Jay-Z gets some hits and that shit all of a sudden is a classic, but based on nothing - it didn't bring any new production or rapping styles to the front, in face Jay-Z's rapping on there was more simplistic than what was out at the time!
Lol, what do you think a classic is? Classics are called classics because of what the hip hop audience thinks of the album, its not what you personally think of the album. Everyone has their own opinion, just cause one dude doesn't think an album isn't a classic doesn't make it so, otherwise no album would be a classic and the word would be useless. By your logic illmatic isn't a classic either, because it did very poorly. No one paid attention to Nas until It Was Written.
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as far as self proclaimed classics "Illmatic" was classic in NY before it dropped shit read The Source issues from back then, he got bootlegged heavy at the time, but Nas didnt arrive really until "If I Ruled The World" (but he was all over with that album and it went gold quickly) WHere as "Reasonable Doubt" came in after all that shit was over in comparison to so many Mafiaso themed albums it was old as gangsta rap at that point "Ready To Die" "Cuban Linx" "The Frim" numerous albums already ahd deaded that...I believe "Reasonable.." got 4 mics in the Source at the time (that's what I consider the album still at times) BUt to me i think Jay is one of the top 5 MC's of all time because he is well rounded in all directions just like Snoop, not many MC's are lasting 15+ years any more even clone mc's like Fabolous, Da Brat who got famous off of theyre flows still got rich with out being directly affiliated with them...
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Reasonable Doubt - (4.5) That's right NOT a classic, it is it's the second most overrated classic of all time, people who call this classic, put this album next to real classic from other NYC rappers like Nas, Rakim, BIG, KRS.... and you realize this album isn't in the same stratosphere of those album. It's still a great album though, just not a classic
WORD!
It doesn't hold up to other classics, and the only reason people think it's a classic is because when Jay-Z blew up a few years after Reasonable Doubt, everyone was like, oh, he could be the best, but surely the best has to have had a classic album, what's his best album? It's Reasonable Doubt, so it must be classic ::)
When really, no one was even considering Reasonable Doubt as a classic for like the first 5-10 years it was out, but suddenly Jay-Z gets some hits and that shit all of a sudden is a classic, but based on nothing - it didn't bring any new production or rapping styles to the front, in face Jay-Z's rapping on there was more simplistic than what was out at the time!
Lol, what do you think a classic is? Classics are called classics because of what the hip hop audience thinks of the album, its not what you personally think of the album. Everyone has their own opinion, just cause one dude doesn't think an album isn't a classic doesn't make it so, otherwise no album would be a classic and the word would be useless. By your logic illmatic isn't a classic either, because it did very poorly. No one paid attention to Nas until It Was Written.
Illmatic was consider classic from the jump, we're not talking about sales dummy. RD was NOT considered a classic when it dropped but after Jay Vol 2/3 and he blew up people then went back and said RD was classic because Jay needed to have one because he was so popular
I would say "Dark and Hell is Hot">>>>>>>>>Reasonable Doubt
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as far as self proclaimed classics "Illmatic" was classic in NY before it dropped shit read The Source issues from back then, he got bootlegged heavy at the time, but Nas didnt arrive really until "If I Ruled The World" (but he was all over with that album and it went gold quickly) WHere as "Reasonable Doubt" came in after all that shit was over in comparison to so many Mafiaso themed albums it was old as gangsta rap at that point "Ready To Die" "Cuban Linx" "The Frim" numerous albums already ahd deaded that...I believe "Reasonable.." got 4 mics in the Source at the time (that's what I consider the album still at times) BUt to me i think Jay is one of the top 5 MC's of all time because he is well rounded in all directions just like Snoop, not many MC's are lasting 15+ years any more even clone mc's like Fabolous, Da Brat who got famous off of theyre flows still got rich with out being directly affiliated with them...
Reasonable Doubt came out before The Firm....
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Reasonable Doubt - (4.5) That's right NOT a classic, it is it's the second most overrated classic of all time, people who call this classic, put this album next to real classic from other NYC rappers like Nas, Rakim, BIG, KRS.... and you realize this album isn't in the same stratosphere of those album. It's still a great album though, just not a classic
WORD!
It doesn't hold up to other classics, and the only reason people think it's a classic is because when Jay-Z blew up a few years after Reasonable Doubt, everyone was like, oh, he could be the best, but surely the best has to have had a classic album, what's his best album? It's Reasonable Doubt, so it must be classic ::)
When really, no one was even considering Reasonable Doubt as a classic for like the first 5-10 years it was out, but suddenly Jay-Z gets some hits and that shit all of a sudden is a classic, but based on nothing - it didn't bring any new production or rapping styles to the front, in face Jay-Z's rapping on there was more simplistic than what was out at the time!
Lol, what do you think a classic is? Classics are called classics because of what the hip hop audience thinks of the album, its not what you personally think of the album. Everyone has their own opinion, just cause one dude doesn't think an album isn't a classic doesn't make it so, otherwise no album would be a classic and the word would be useless. By your logic illmatic isn't a classic either, because it did very poorly. No one paid attention to Nas until It Was Written.
Illmatic was consider classic from the jump, we're not talking about sales dummy. RD was NOT considered a classic when it dropped but after Jay Vol 2/3 and he blew up people then went back and said RD was classic because Jay needed to have one because he was so popular
I would say "Dark and Hell is Hot">>>>>>>>>Reasonable Doubt
No album has been considered classic from the jump. Classic is a retroactive term that is applied to albums years after they come out. Part of an album being a classic is its "timeless" quality and relevance in hip hop. Obviously it can't be timeless at the time of its release, since no one knows if people will be talking about the album years later. This is true for every album, especially for an album like illmatic which didn't become popular until after Nas became a big star with his following albums. As far as Jay needing a classic, he's got 3 extremely well-received albums that people talk about. I've seen The Blueprint and The Black Album on a lot of people's lists.
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Reasonable Doubt - (4.5) That's right NOT a classic, it is it's the second most overrated classic of all time, people who call this classic, put this album next to real classic from other NYC rappers like Nas, Rakim, BIG, KRS.... and you realize this album isn't in the same stratosphere of those album. It's still a great album though, just not a classic
WORD!
It doesn't hold up to other classics, and the only reason people think it's a classic is because when Jay-Z blew up a few years after Reasonable Doubt, everyone was like, oh, he could be the best, but surely the best has to have had a classic album, what's his best album? It's Reasonable Doubt, so it must be classic ::)
When really, no one was even considering Reasonable Doubt as a classic for like the first 5-10 years it was out, but suddenly Jay-Z gets some hits and that shit all of a sudden is a classic, but based on nothing - it didn't bring any new production or rapping styles to the front, in face Jay-Z's rapping on there was more simplistic than what was out at the time!
Lol, what do you think a classic is? Classics are called classics because of what the hip hop audience thinks of the album, its not what you personally think of the album. Everyone has their own opinion, just cause one dude doesn't think an album isn't a classic doesn't make it so, otherwise no album would be a classic and the word would be useless. By your logic illmatic isn't a classic either, because it did very poorly. No one paid attention to Nas until It Was Written.
Illmatic was consider classic from the jump, we're not talking about sales dummy. RD was NOT considered a classic when it dropped but after Jay Vol 2/3 and he blew up people then went back and said RD was classic because Jay needed to have one because he was so popular
I would say "Dark and Hell is Hot">>>>>>>>>Reasonable Doubt
^^^^^this is actually true, nobody was saying reasonable doubt was a classic,anybody in the know was accusing jay of biting nas and the lox style when the shit dropped,cause jay was known to rap fast and he studied nas and the lox mixtapes then all of a sudden you get'n that reasonable doubt flow change yell
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Reasonable Doubt is a classic, that's all folks.
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Reasonable Doubt is a classic, that's all folks.
yup...THATS ALL
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Who said he was the GOAT? & He's got some classic music under his belt; like ALL of "Reasonable Doubt" lol.
Jome said so, but he's gone :D
Where has he gone?
good question ;)
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Reasonable Doubt is a classic, that's all folks.
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Reasonable Doubt - (4.5) That's right NOT a classic, it is it's the second most overrated classic of all time, people who call this classic, put this album next to real classic from other NYC rappers like Nas, Rakim, BIG, KRS.... and you realize this album isn't in the same stratosphere of those album. It's still a great album though, just not a classic
WORD!
It doesn't hold up to other classics, and the only reason people think it's a classic is because when Jay-Z blew up a few years after Reasonable Doubt, everyone was like, oh, he could be the best, but surely the best has to have had a classic album, what's his best album? It's Reasonable Doubt, so it must be classic ::)
When really, no one was even considering Reasonable Doubt as a classic for like the first 5-10 years it was out, but suddenly Jay-Z gets some hits and that shit all of a sudden is a classic, but based on nothing - it didn't bring any new production or rapping styles to the front, in face Jay-Z's rapping on there was more simplistic than what was out at the time!
Lol, what do you think a classic is? Classics are called classics because of what the hip hop audience thinks of the album, its not what you personally think of the album. Everyone has their own opinion, just cause one dude doesn't think an album isn't a classic doesn't make it so, otherwise no album would be a classic and the word would be useless. By your logic illmatic isn't a classic either, because it did very poorly. No one paid attention to Nas until It Was Written.
Illmatic was consider classic from the jump, we're not talking about sales dummy. RD was NOT considered a classic when it dropped but after Jay Vol 2/3 and he blew up people then went back and said RD was classic because Jay needed to have one because he was so popular
Word, exactly, nicely summed up
And it's not my opinion of what's classic either, I'm also going off what people think and Reasonable Doubt is only very occasionally mentioned as a classic album, unlike 100% definite classics like Illmatic, It Takes A Nation, etc
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Everyone says its a classic album. The thread starter even said
it is it's the second most overrated classic of all time
Thereby acknowledging that this album is considered a classic. The fact we are even having this discussion says that its considered a classic.
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lol
Everyone says its a classic album. The thread starter even said it is it's the second most overrated classic of all time
Thereby acknowledging that this album is considered a classic. The fact we are even having this discussion says that its considered a classic.
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I loved half of Reasonable Doubt and thought the other half was alright.
Not a personal classic. I preffered Blueprint.
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Jay has some great songs and great albums, but when people put him in the same class as Nas, Rakim, etc I always laugh.
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Dont matter if he releases a better album than illmatic, better diss than ether, his lyrical delivery will and has never matched up 2 krs one, nas, and rakim
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Dont matter if he releases a better album than illmatic, better diss than ether, his lyrical delivery will and has never matched up 2 krs one, nas, and rakim
Lyrically? Nas > Rakim > Jay-Z > KRS One
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No way imo jay is above krs one...no way krs will make jay cry...whats so special bout jay?
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Jays dropped some crazy verses. That song on DMX 2nd album was fucked.
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To an influential, money earning, stressed out young man overflowing with charisma like me, Jay has always provided a good archetype for the alternate universe me.
I totally understand why a lot of people on this forum hate though.
Reasonable Doubt - (5)
Vol. 1 - 4)
Vol. 2 - (4)
Vol. 3 - (4)
Blueprint - (4.5)
Blueprint 2 - (3)
Black Album - (4)
Kingdom Come - (2.0) C
American Gangster - (2.0)
Blueprint 3 - (1.0)
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To an influential, money earning, stressed out young man overflowing with charisma like me, Jay has always provided a good archetype for the alternate universe me.
I totally understand why a lot of people on this forum hate though.
Reasonable Doubt - (5)
Vol. 1 - 4)
Vol. 2 - (4)
Vol. 3 - (4)
Blueprint - (4.5)
Blueprint 2 - (3)
Black Album - (4)
Kingdom Come - (2.0) C
American Gangster - (2.0)
Blueprint 3 - (1.0)
Vol. 2 was a fuckin weak album! I won't argue about how good each album is but this one was so bad I had to give my 2 cents.
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No way imo jay is above krs one...no way krs will make jay cry...whats so special bout jay?
What's so special about Jay? What's so special about Kris? Jay's best verses >>> KRS One's best verses. I've never gotten why people consider KRS-One an elite lyricist. Most of his lyrics seem pretty simple to me. He dropped his best shit in the late 80s when lyricism hadn't really taken off yet. It was dope for his time. And he's a legend. But as a pure lyricist? Nah. He's got charisma and he can probably rock a show better than any of the other 4 but as far as lyrics go he's last.
Just compare the punchlines on The Bridge is Over to the punchlines on Takeover and you'll see what I mean.
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2 each is own but overall imo jay cant c krs let alone nas or rakim...never has and whats goin 2 change bout jay that he could ever b on their level? I guess we can go back and fourth as 2 y jay is better/y krs is better or whats so special bout krs/...but imho krs is somethin special on the mic...2 this day {no homo}
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2 each is own but overall imo jay cant c krs let alone nas or rakim...never has and whats goin 2 change bout jay that he could ever b on their level? I guess we can go back and fourth as 2 y jay is better/y krs is better or whats so special bout krs/...but imho krs is somethin special on the mic...2 this day {no homo}
aight, let's compare lyrics then. Where are all these outstanding lyrics?
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you go by dominating they era's lyrically and hip hop influence "not that white man shit either haha" the bridge is over is a better song then take over, plus it ended a battle while the takeover was bested by ether yell
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I personally don't consider Reasonable Doubt a classic, hence its 4.5/5, so STFU
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you go by dominating they era's lyrically and hip hop influence "not that white man shit either haha" the bridge is over is a better song then take over, plus it ended a battle while the takeover was bested by ether yell
okay.........but Jay-Z has arguably dominated the hip hop industry more than anyone. That's the main reason a lot of people don't like him. I think ancient was talking on a purely lyrical level.
Jay-Z lost a battle against Nas. NAS. Is that something to be ashamed of? Krs-One lost to Nelly for crying out loud. Even the fact he started a beef with Nelly in the first place is an automatic L.
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Yeah im talkin lyrically...but u think nelly won that battle? nelly was good 4 tha wack rapper he is...but krs got him not by much tho...and jay dominatin the game yeah he has wit wack commercial muzik
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Yeah im talkin lyrically...but u think nelly won that battle? nelly was good 4 tha wack rapper he is...but krs got him not by much tho...and jay dominatin the game yeah he has wit wack commercial muzik
Commercial isn't the same as wack. Big was commercial. Pac went commercial for All Eyez on Me and y'all loved him for it. Jay has his share of wack songs like every other artist. He also has 1 classic, two near classics, and several other good albums. The music is dope I don't see what the issue is. He isn't as lyrical as Nas but who is? Certainly not KRS-One.
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haha i dont luv pac for goin commercial and he did...i rarely or not at all listen to those commercial songs let alone jay-z commercial shit
but face soft songs>>>>jay-z soft songs
krs one soft songs>>>>>jay-z soft songs
nas soft songs>>>>>jay-z soft songs
rakim laid back songs>>>>jay-z laid back songs
jay tries to hard to shine on songs and act like hes spittin the best and better than everyone else
Yeah im talkin lyrically...but u think nelly won that battle? nelly was good 4 tha wack rapper he is...but krs got him not by much tho...and jay dominatin the game yeah he has wit wack commercial muzik
Commercial isn't the same as wack. Big was commercial. Pac went commercial for All Eyez on Me and y'all loved him for it. Jay has his share of wack songs like every other artist. He also has 1 classic, two near classics, and several other good albums. The music is dope I don't see what the issue is. He isn't as lyrical as Nas but who is? Certainly not KRS-One.
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haha i dont luv pac for goin commercial and he did...i rarely or not at all listen to those commercial songs let alone jay-z commercial shit
but face soft songs>>>>jay-z soft songs
krs one soft songs>>>>>jay-z soft songs
nas soft songs>>>>>jay-z soft songs
rakim laid back songs>>>>jay-z laid back songs
jay tries to hard to shine on songs and act like hes spittin the best and better than everyone else
Yeah im talkin lyrically...but u think nelly won that battle? nelly was good 4 tha wack rapper he is...but krs got him not by much tho...and jay dominatin the game yeah he has wit wack commercial muzik
Commercial isn't the same as wack. Big was commercial. Pac went commercial for All Eyez on Me and y'all loved him for it. Jay has his share of wack songs like every other artist. He also has 1 classic, two near classics, and several other good albums. The music is dope I don't see what the issue is. He isn't as lyrical as Nas but who is? Certainly not KRS-One.
What's a "soft song"? Regardless I'd have to disagree, Jay has crafted some classic music.
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my theory on this thread is that these scores are all going to vary in contrast to what year the poster started getting laid. some of yall got your first taste on the black album....hov been dropping hits for a minuite.
Reasonable Doubt - 4
Vol.1 - 3
Vol.2 - 3
Vol.3 - 3
Blueprint - 5
Blueprint 2 - 3
Black Album - 4.5
Kingdom Come -3
American Gangster -3.5
Blueprint 3 - 3
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a soft song is a female song/slower song
Jay-Z - La, La, La
excuse me miss
show me what you got
IMO those are wack...and jay goes from his hood shit to be a soft muffucca...before you come back yeah snoop and pac did it too...haha
haha i dont luv pac for goin commercial and he did...i rarely or not at all listen to those commercial songs let alone jay-z commercial shit
but face soft songs>>>>jay-z soft songs
krs one soft songs>>>>>jay-z soft songs
nas soft songs>>>>>jay-z soft songs
rakim laid back songs>>>>jay-z laid back songs
jay tries to hard to shine on songs and act like hes spittin the best and better than everyone else
Yeah im talkin lyrically...but u think nelly won that battle? nelly was good 4 tha wack rapper he is...but krs got him not by much tho...and jay dominatin the game yeah he has wit wack commercial muzik
Commercial isn't the same as wack. Big was commercial. Pac went commercial for All Eyez on Me and y'all loved him for it. Jay has his share of wack songs like every other artist. He also has 1 classic, two near classics, and several other good albums. The music is dope I don't see what the issue is. He isn't as lyrical as Nas but who is? Certainly not KRS-One.
What's a "soft song"? Regardless I'd have to disagree, Jay has crafted some classic music.
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a soft song is a female song/slower song
Jay-Z - La, La, La
excuse me miss
show me what you got
IMO those are wack...and jay goes from his hood shit to be a soft muffucca...before you come back yeah snoop and pac did it too...haha
haha i dont luv pac for goin commercial and he did...i rarely or not at all listen to those commercial songs let alone jay-z commercial shit
but face soft songs>>>>jay-z soft songs
krs one soft songs>>>>>jay-z soft songs
nas soft songs>>>>>jay-z soft songs
rakim laid back songs>>>>jay-z laid back songs
jay tries to hard to shine on songs and act like hes spittin the best and better than everyone else
Yeah im talkin lyrically...but u think nelly won that battle? nelly was good 4 tha wack rapper he is...but krs got him not by much tho...and jay dominatin the game yeah he has wit wack commercial muzik
Commercial isn't the same as wack. Big was commercial. Pac went commercial for All Eyez on Me and y'all loved him for it. Jay has his share of wack songs like every other artist. He also has 1 classic, two near classics, and several other good albums. The music is dope I don't see what the issue is. He isn't as lyrical as Nas but who is? Certainly not KRS-One.
What's a "soft song"? Regardless I'd have to disagree, Jay has crafted some classic music.
mecca why you be actin so damn phony over here ? they made you a mod and now your on some hip hop historian shit? stick to what you know famo....and i told you bishop wasnt commin out sucka!
COD OR NUTHIN!!! DRETOX IS COMIN!!! haha damn!!
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young buc > jay z........ jay z > the entire west coast at the moment besides game.
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young buc > jay z........ jay z > the entire west coast at the moment besides game.
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Game included, he aint doing the west coast any favors with "shake"
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a soft song is a female song/slower song
Jay-Z - La, La, La
excuse me miss
show me what you got
IMO those are wack...and jay goes from his hood shit to be a soft muffucca...before you come back yeah snoop and pac did it too...haha
haha i dont luv pac for goin commercial and he did...i rarely or not at all listen to those commercial songs let alone jay-z commercial shit
but face soft songs>>>>jay-z soft songs
krs one soft songs>>>>>jay-z soft songs
nas soft songs>>>>>jay-z soft songs
rakim laid back songs>>>>jay-z laid back songs
jay tries to hard to shine on songs and act like hes spittin the best and better than everyone else
Yeah im talkin lyrically...but u think nelly won that battle? nelly was good 4 tha wack rapper he is...but krs got him not by much tho...and jay dominatin the game yeah he has wit wack commercial muzik
Commercial isn't the same as wack. Big was commercial. Pac went commercial for All Eyez on Me and y'all loved him for it. Jay has his share of wack songs like every other artist. He also has 1 classic, two near classics, and several other good albums. The music is dope I don't see what the issue is. He isn't as lyrical as Nas but who is? Certainly not KRS-One.
What's a "soft song"? Regardless I'd have to disagree, Jay has crafted some classic music.
Lol, why would you compare rappers' tracks for the females? They all suck, no point in comparing bad tracks. But even then I'd have to say that Oochie Wally, Big Girl and Dr. Knockboots are worse than any of those songs you mentioned. Nas is possibly the worst at trying to make commercial tracks. But Nas best songs > Jay's best songs
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true jay-z is better or did make better club songs...not soft songs
but like you said nas at his best>>>>>jay at his best
a soft song is a female song/slower song
Jay-Z - La, La, La
excuse me miss
show me what you got
IMO those are wack...and jay goes from his hood shit to be a soft muffucca...before you come back yeah snoop and pac did it too...haha
haha i dont luv pac for goin commercial and he did...i rarely or not at all listen to those commercial songs let alone jay-z commercial shit
but face soft songs>>>>jay-z soft songs
krs one soft songs>>>>>jay-z soft songs
nas soft songs>>>>>jay-z soft songs
rakim laid back songs>>>>jay-z laid back songs
jay tries to hard to shine on songs and act like hes spittin the best and better than everyone else
Yeah im talkin lyrically...but u think nelly won that battle? nelly was good 4 tha wack rapper he is...but krs got him not by much tho...and jay dominatin the game yeah he has wit wack commercial muzik
Commercial isn't the same as wack. Big was commercial. Pac went commercial for All Eyez on Me and y'all loved him for it. Jay has his share of wack songs like every other artist. He also has 1 classic, two near classics, and several other good albums. The music is dope I don't see what the issue is. He isn't as lyrical as Nas but who is? Certainly not KRS-One.
What's a "soft song"? Regardless I'd have to disagree, Jay has crafted some classic music.
Lol, why would you compare rappers' tracks for the females? They all suck, no point in comparing bad tracks. But even then I'd have to say that Oochie Wally, Big Girl and Dr. Knockboots are worse than any of those songs you mentioned. Nas is possibly the worst at trying to make commercial tracks. But Nas best songs > Jay's best songs
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Jay is overrated, but only when brought up in the Top 5 talk. He's still one of the greats though.
Nobody else from his class of Hip Hop is selling records; Nas sells, but not like him. Snoop is nothing today. Cube don't sell. Jay's remained relevant through the changes of Hip Hop & hasn't sold out ridiculous; you gotta respect that.
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true jay-z is better or did make better club songs...not soft songs
but like you said nas at his best>>>>>jay at his best
right, but I'm not saying Jay-Z is better than Nas, I'm saying he's a great hip hop artist. Nas is one of my favorite rappers and imo there's very very few out there who can see him at his best. Cham put it perfectly, he's only overrated when he's mentioned in the top 5. He's still one of the greats and he deserves his props for all the classic music he's put out over the years.
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Yeah he sells cuz he makes teenager muzik..course he gon sell....be thankful krs, rakim, wc arent doin teenager muzik...he shouldnt hit top 10 plus a bonus 2 = 12...dont care what hes sold what hes done he cant and never will b able 2 b o rakims lyrical level...if krs one, rakim or even wc had sold more theyd b talked about differently and n a more positive way
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enyce how old are you?
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mecca why you be actin so damn phony over here ? they made you a mod and now your on some hip hop historian shit? stick to what you know famo....and i told you bishop wasnt commin out sucka!
COD OR NUTHIN!!! DRETOX IS COMIN!!! haha damn!!
LMAO. Was he mecca before he was enyce?
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Ill shit all over gay z and 2fag. homos
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dj premier said so himself nas is a complete MC while jay-z is just a rapper
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you go by dominating they era's lyrically and hip hop influence "not that white man shit either haha" the bridge is over is a better song then take over, plus it ended a battle while the takeover was bested by ether yell
okay.........but Jay-Z has arguably dominated the hip hop industry more than anyone. That's the main reason a lot of people don't like him. I think ancient was talking on a purely lyrical level.
Jay-Z lost a battle against Nas. NAS. Is that something to be ashamed of? Krs-One lost to Nelly for crying out loud. Even the fact he started a beef with Nelly in the first place is an automatic L.
again jay dominated the "white side" fucc those white guys and jews in suits they don't rep the culture they rape it, you think muthafuccas who live the punk culture think green day is the best ever in punk cause they sold the most and got the most tv time,fucc no, again in the white world who ain't true to the culture jayz is they god but for the networth shit he's just one of the great mc's but not the goat, and i can't front with you about the nelly thing, you are right, he lost by the way he went about that bullshit,but don't act like others ain't got into jigga's ass in verses, but bacc on subject hip hop is more then just rap'n and being a "business man", now if you wanna say who is the rapper who's had the most success in business and with branding himself that's jayz yell
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Jay's a transformer because he can hop on a diversity of track and sound right. Not many emcees are capable of that.
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you go by dominating they era's lyrically and hip hop influence "not that white man shit either haha" the bridge is over is a better song then take over, plus it ended a battle while the takeover was bested by ether yell
okay.........but Jay-Z has arguably dominated the hip hop industry more than anyone. That's the main reason a lot of people don't like him. I think ancient was talking on a purely lyrical level.
Jay-Z lost a battle against Nas. NAS. Is that something to be ashamed of? Krs-One lost to Nelly for crying out loud. Even the fact he started a beef with Nelly in the first place is an automatic L.
again jay dominated the "white side" fucc those white guys and jews in suits they don't rep the culture they rape it, you think muthafuccas who live the punk culture think green day is the best ever in punk cause they sold the most and got the most tv time,fucc no, again in the white world who ain't true to the culture jayz is they god but for the networth shit he's just one of the great mc's but not the goat, and i can't front with you about the nelly thing, you are right, he lost by the way he went about that bullshit,but don't act like others ain't got into jigga's ass in verses, but bacc on subject hip hop is more then just rap'n and being a "business man", now if you wanna say who is the rapper who's had the most success in business and with branding himself that's jayz yell
"white side"? Now that's just stupid. For one, I'd be willing to bet that Jay-Z has a bigger black fanbase than Nas. You know its all those white hip hop elitists who don't want to give Jay his props cause he's too "mainstream"
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Jays a pop artist or like 50 said..pop tart sweet n the middle haha
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Jays a pop artist or like 50 said..pop tart sweet n the middle haha
All those rappers you mentioned are pop artists. Jay-Z, 2Pac, Nas, etc. The reason they are so well-known is because they make music to appeal to the mainstream.