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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Detox Iz Not Active on July 18, 2010, 12:45:52 PM
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Read to Die is 5/5 classic (unlike Reasonable Doubt), no one can deny that but check out his second album. Life After Death is a 3/5 album AT BEST, but he got killed so hip hop community gave it a pity classic status. Cut all the filler from that double disc album and you're left with barely a single disc album and even then I'd give that version 4/5 TOPS. So let's look at Rick Ross, lyrically he's you average studio gangster rapper with the occasional clever line, like BIG was after RTD. Couple his lyrics with very high quality production and you have basically what BIG would be if he was still alive. Reality is though, if he was still alive and still with puffy his beats probably wouldn't be nearly as good so he'd probably be putting out albums worse then officer Rawse
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Life After Death ain't any more overrated as a "classic album" than All Eyez On Me is. Big was making major waves before he died so your argument really don't hold much weight to me but you've said more ridicilous things on this board so it's all good.
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Life After Death ain't any more overrated as a "classic album" than All Eyez On Me is. Big was making major waves before he died so your argument really don't hold much weight to me but you've said more ridicilous things on this board so it's all good.
All Eyez on me was also greatly overrated, but if you cut out all the fillers from both double LP's AEOM is quite a bit better then LAD
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i laugh at this post, ain't got nothing against you my equal,but you "dead wrong" on this one yell
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see the thing is Life After... is a classic becasue Jay-Z is still making money off that formula and so is 80% of rappers out their now, before that album there wasnt any one rapping over fruity 80's pop samples and doing R&B remixes to hype thier albums and relevancy. BIG did that granted Dre & Snoop may have started it but Bad Boy perfected it (whether it lead to better music after Life After & No Way Out is not the case) I agree its hard to say where Big would be now he didnt have much material to judge but he was the greatest to me at being univeraslly dope...Life After Death = literally every rappers formula for an album these days...thats why Makaveli & was dope too because it was dirty unapologetic and said fuck radio, and fuck everybody who aint down it was completely opposite at the time...
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All Eyez on me was also greatly overrated, but if you cut out all the fillers from both double LP's AEOM is quite a bit better then RTD
I think you mean Life After Death and I don't think I agree.
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see the thing is Life After... is a classic becasue Jay-Z is still making money off that formula and so is 80% of rappers out their now, before that album there wasnt any one rapping over fruity 80's pop samples and doing R&B remixes to hype thier albums and relevancy. BIG did that granted Dre & Snoop may have started it but Bad Boy perfected it (whether it lead to better music after Life After & No Way Out is not the case) I agree its hard to say where Big would be now he didnt have much material to judge but he was the greatest to me at being univeraslly dope...Life After Death = literally every rappers formula for an album these days...thats why Makaveli & was dope too because it was dirty unapologetic and said fuck radio, and fuck everybody who aint down it was completely opposite at the time...
great fucc'n post 110% networth yell
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ridicolous statement. rick ross is ass next to biggie, aint got flow or funk or anything really. just a shitty, fat rapper with awful vocals. sorry to the ross fans (which is quite a lot of you).
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see the thing is Life After... is a classic becasue Jay-Z is still making money off that formula and so is 80% of rappers out their now, before that album there wasnt any one rapping over fruity 80's pop samples and doing R&B remixes to hype thier albums and relevancy. BIG did that granted Dre & Snoop may have started it but Bad Boy perfected it (whether it lead to better music after Life After & No Way Out is not the case) I agree its hard to say where Big would be now he didnt have much material to judge but he was the greatest to me at being univeraslly dope...Life After Death = literally every rappers formula for an album these days...thats why Makaveli & was dope too because it was dirty unapologetic and said fuck radio, and fuck everybody who aint down it was completely opposite at the time...
great fucc'n post 110% networth yell
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ridicolous statement. rick ross is ass next to biggie
all that needs to be said
as ive said before i hate shock posters
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yeah, this shit is ridiculous. life after death is a dope fucking album and big is still the greatest new york rapper to ever do it. i listened to rick ross new cd once and have no desire to listen again, meanwhile im still banging biggies music 15+ years later
get the fuck outa here!
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i made a best of "Life After Death" album called the "Frank White Story", it's actually a pretty deep and dark album.
"The Frank White Story"
Kick In The Door [start off rite on the beat, i wanted to add the "Biggie" sample on the start but i didnt wana fuck up the quality after i realized that it would sound better]
My Downfall [starts when Puff said "jealousy's a muthafucka"]
Notorious Thugz [added an adlib so the song didn't start off like it was cut off like on the regular version]
Fucking You Tonight
Going Back To Cali
Somebody's Gotta Die [combined with the outro of the intro beat]
Last Day
Ten Crack Commandments
What's Beef
Niggas Bleed
The World Is Filled...
I Got A Story To Tell
B.I.G
Hypnotize
Sky's The Limit
You're Nobody ('Til Somebody Kills You)
"I Love The Dough EP"
Life After Death Intro [fades out before the "somebody's gotta die" beat kicks in]
Mo Money Mo Problems
Another
Miss U
I Love The Dough
Nasty Boy
Long Kiss Goodnight [starts right at the rapping]
Playa Hater
4/5 or 4.5/5, depends on the mood
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I was a Pac supporter so I hated Biggie; & even though I think Big woulda sold out, him selling out would still forty times better than Rick Ross.
Ross is the lamest rapper in the game.
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i made a best of "Life After Death" album called the "Frank White Story", it's actually a pretty deep and dark album.
"The Frank White Story"
Kick In The Door [start off rite on the beat, i wanted to add the "Biggie" sample on the start but i didnt wana fuck up the quality after i realized that it would sound better]
My Downfall [starts when Puff said "jealousy's a muthafucka"]
Notorious Thugz [added an adlib so the song didn't start off like it was cut off like on the regular version]
Fucking You Tonight
Going Back To Cali
Somebody's Gotta Die [combined with the outro of the intro beat]
Last Day
Ten Crack Commandments
What's Beef
Niggas Bleed
The World Is Filled...
I Got A Story To Tell
B.I.G
Hypnotize
Sky's The Limit
You're Nobody ('Til Somebody Kills You)
"I Love The Dough EP"
Life After Death Intro [fades out before the "somebody's gotta die" beat kicks in]
Mo Money Mo Problems
Another
Miss U
I Love The Dough
Nasty Boy
Long Kiss Goodnight [starts right at the rapping]
Playa Hater
4/5 or 4.5/5, depends on the mood
damn that Frank White album you made there is a dope selection
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i made a best of "Life After Death" album called the "Frank White Story", it's actually a pretty deep and dark album.
"The Frank White Story"
Kick In The Door [start off rite on the beat, i wanted to add the "Biggie" sample on the start but i didnt wana fuck up the quality after i realized that it would sound better]
My Downfall [starts when Puff said "jealousy's a muthafucka"]
Notorious Thugz [added an adlib so the song didn't start off like it was cut off like on the regular version]
Fucking You Tonight
Going Back To Cali
Somebody's Gotta Die [combined with the outro of the intro beat]
Last Day
Ten Crack Commandments
What's Beef
Niggas Bleed
The World Is Filled...
I Got A Story To Tell
B.I.G
Hypnotize
Sky's The Limit
You're Nobody ('Til Somebody Kills You)
"I Love The Dough EP"
Life After Death Intro [fades out before the "somebody's gotta die" beat kicks in]
Mo Money Mo Problems
Another
Miss U
I Love The Dough
Nasty Boy
Long Kiss Goodnight [starts right at the rapping]
Playa Hater
4/5 or 4.5/5, depends on the mood
damn that Frank White album you made there is a dope selection
i know ;D i wanted to uppit on here but i don't know, i guess i was like fuck it
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life after death was good
bt its no PIGFACE WEAPONWAIST
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lmao?
If you can't tell the difference between Big's lyrical ability and Ross', then you a failure to Hip-Hop.
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IF.. If this, if that.. Ya'll can argue all you want, but at the end of the day none of you are right because big isn't here and comparions can't be made.
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bad boy's marketing has obviously worked wonders on you all
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Okay Active, my argument here is this:
I know the subject content of these rappers are very similar. I'm saying when it comes down to actually writing and forming rhymes around that content, BIG has it on lock. He is a better writer, a better lyricist, a better freestyler.
If you want to argue as an artist [making songs that ppl like to listen to], you have a case.
As a lyricist, Big > Ross a million times over.
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ridicolous statement. rick ross is ass next to biggie, aint got flow or funk or anything really. just a shitty, fat rapper with awful vocals. sorry to the ross fans (which is quite a lot of you).
said how i was feeling
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ridicolous statement. rick ross is ass next to biggie, aint got flow or funk or anything really. just a shitty, fat rapper with awful vocals. sorry to the ross fans (which is quite a lot of you).
said how i was feeling
L'
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Wayne says he's the best alive & people believe it.
Ross compares himself to Big & threads like this are made.
Hip Hop fans are a joke; comparing one of the GOAT's to Rick Ross.
Rick Ross is in the same company as Fat Joe, Gucci Mane & Lil' B.
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Wayne says he's the best alive & people believe it.
Ross compares himself to Big & threads like this are made.
Hip Hop fans are a joke; comparing one of the GOAT's to Rick Ross.
Rick Ross is in the same company as Fat Joe, Gucci Mane & Lil' B.
I will rank them.
Fat Joe > Rick Ross > Lil B > Gucci Mane
All 4 = Ass.
LIL B HAS POTENTIAL THO.
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Really can we revoke the hip hop pass for Euro fags like this. Your mother should of swallowed you and Reasonable Doubt and Life After Death are classics. Get Suge Knghts cock out ya mouth you worthless faggot
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biggie is probably my favourite rapper hands down. but that's because his delivery oozes funk, the way he freaks the beat and puts rhymes together is effortlessly ill.
rick ross you can barely hear what dude is saying, his voice sounds drowned out. can make out he is yelling some stuff but with no sense of funk or rhythm. terrible vocals.
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Than rawse...
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Ross is an imitation Biggie with no talent, its all image with him and a good ear for beats.
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It's funny he said bad boy marketing worked wonders on people here when it's worked wonders on him. They're out there trying to convince everyone he is biggie. You believed them. Sorry.
It's like saying Ja Rule is better than Tupac.
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True, he would be just as terrible as snoop dogg.
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big i one eastcoast best ever/ ross is fla's best since trick daddy.
BIG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ROSS
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BIG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ROSS
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Anybody hatin on Ross in 2010 - smh
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True, he would be just as terrible as snoop dogg.
I was kind of thinking along the same lines. I wouldn't call Snoop terrible by any stretch but if we wanna talk follow-ups to classic debuts, where does Doggfather compare with Life After Death?
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see the thing is Life After... is a classic becasue Jay-Z is still making money off that formula and so is 80% of rappers out their now, before that album there wasnt any one rapping over fruity 80's pop samples and doing R&B remixes to hype thier albums and relevancy. BIG did that granted Dre & Snoop may have started it but Bad Boy perfected it (whether it lead to better music after Life After & No Way Out is not the case) I agree its hard to say where Big would be now he didnt have much material to judge but he was the greatest to me at being univeraslly dope...Life After Death = literally every rappers formula for an album these days...thats why Makaveli & was dope too because it was dirty unapologetic and said fuck radio, and fuck everybody who aint down it was completely opposite at the time...
great fucc'n post 110% networth yell
(http://www.swimwatch.net/uploaded_images/coach-yelling-at-athlete-716268.jpg)
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Ja rule better than pac
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You idiots don't understand, if BIG WAS STILL ALIVE he'd most likely have fallen off something serious by now, he wouldn't be anywhere near the level of RTD form, and LAD was a taste of things to come aka overrated wackness.
Lyrically BIG had nothing on people Nas and KRS, so I don't understand why you all act like he was some genius, he was all flow, don't get it twisted
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Hey everybody!! Next week I'll start a thread called "Apl.de.Ap pisses all over anything 2Pac ever did"
after that I might start one called "Niggers are shit at rapping and only good at eating chicken" just to stoke the flames even more.
Fucking dickhead.
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Your entire proposition is absurd. IF HE WAS ALIVE HE WOULD HAVE PROBABLY...blah blah blah
That's your assumption.
There's no telling what he would have done. All we know is what he did do and based off that > Ross's career (who's had it longer and still hasn't produced material on the level of BIG's)
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ridicolous statement. rick ross is ass next to biggie
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BIG isn't even top 5
5 rappers that are easily better then BIG: Ice Cube, DOC, KRS, Nas, Pac
most of you are sheep to the hype that he had after he died, his death has made everything he did seem "better", it's hard for hip hop fans to look at him objectively
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Lyrically BIG had nothing on people Nas and KRS, so I don't understand why you all act like he was some genius, he was all flow, don't get it twisted
tbf i think this is actually a good shout
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Rick Ross is in the same company as Fat Joe, Gucci Mane & Lil' B.
cham yet again provin that he a fuckin child. fat joe might not be so great now but he was a great rapper and made some good records (when he was rollin with ditc). so maybe learn a little bit more about hip-hop before u believe whatever shit 50 is saying to create dumbass beef.
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BIG shit was always better than Ross, that's not debatable. However, I always did think BIG was over hyped cause aside from Juicy it seemed like all his shit was just about guns, money, etc, that's why I never understood the 2pac comparison.
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It's no secret that Biggie is overrated, but c'mon son! Ross is garbage...
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Rick Ross is in the same company as Fat Joe, Gucci Mane & Lil' B.
cham yet again provin that he a fuckin child. fat joe might not be so great now but he was a great rapper and made some good records (when he was rollin with ditc). so maybe learn a little bit more about hip-hop before u believe whatever shit 50 is saying to create dumbass beef.
What does that mean? Based God, once again proving he's fucking retarded lol. If you're ass today, you're ass. You brought up 50 Cent, you'd probably say he's ass & he isn't that good today. But because he made Power Of A Dollar & Get Rich or Die Tryin' we're not allowed to talk? I swear, some of you guys aren't sane.
EDIT: I find it entertaining the guy who believes Lil' B is some sort of prophet, with words of wisdom we should all listen to & live by, is calling me a child lmfao.
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As for this "If Biggie was still alive, he would have sold out", I always believed that.
But even if that was the case, I don't care if Big had a stroke after that & was paralyzed on his entire left side, he would still be better than Rick Ross.
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BIG isn't even top 5
5 rappers that are easily better then BIG: Ice Cube, DOC, KRS, Nas, Pac
most of you are sheep to the hype that he had after he died, his death has made everything he did seem "better", it's hard for hip hop fans to look at him objectively
Big ain't top 5, so what? Nas, Pac, Cube, KRS, yeah. DOC? Lol, hell nah, DOC is overrated as fuck around here.
Big ain't top 5, but he's still above average. Rick Ross is below average. They aren't close to the same level, even taking away Big's incredible flow.
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most of you are sheep to the hype that he had after he died, his death has made everything he did seem "better", it's hard for hip hop fans to look at him objectively
The same can be said of 2Pac or any rapper that died. Or any rapper that is mainstream. There's cats who want to make them bigger than life and then there's other folks who wantt o shit all over what they've done to "even things out".
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d.o.c. hella overrated,jayz hella overrated, leonard roberts is not nice on the mic,alot of muthafuccas on this site like BEATS! so they like roberts beats and think that makes him good,how fucc'n stupid are some of y'all, its the same reason muthafuccas like dr dre! dre has said a gang of wacc as rhymes hell listen to keep they heads ringing! and then somebody says all big talks about is guns and bitches and drugs? so what, that equal told stories and spit shit that was different, some of you same muthafuccas succ off jeezy and the clips and all they talk about is fucc'n DRUGS!, biggie came out during the month of the man def jam's big marketing push for redman and method man,they got all the hype and big just came out and blew them muthafuccas outta the water, it ain't just his flow it's his word play, hell em says a gang of bullshit kiddy shit and y'all say he's the best lets get serious, big did shit to expand his fan base with the second album sure and it worked and he didn't sound outta place doing it (which is a true skill), just cause some of yall ain't like the song it means he's overrated? haha get the fucc outta here, equals still quote'n that man, jayz owe's like 15% of his career earnings to big estate yell
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Ice cube and DOC dont rate higher than Big for me..
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DOC is now overrated? LMAO, now I know for a fact you niggas stupid ass fuck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjiBstIH4ZI
Let's take a trip but not of the physical
Sense of direction on a kid who's artistical
Through a gallery of thoughts, of course it's dope
Pay it tough like the name on my rope
Watch it be weary instead of steppin wit the boys
A musical massacre of inadequate noise
By the new authority 'cause of majority
Of peers who hear will award superiority
To those who know you knew now it's inevitable
I laid the track and it's simple unforgettable
Time had hold me better than gold, I sold
And in front of a group of soul is a new episode
So like see if you can grab a pawn yet another one
Take it to the everyday like it's done the son
Words connected up to another degree
And if an artist who planned it there, portrait of a masterpiece
It's unquestionable
The lyrics used, the D.O.C.'s a professional
Nothing exquisite to prohibit you from listening up
Crisp and clean but I don't mean 7-Up
I preside ill dippy dope to frantic to panic
And just a man on a mission wit something more in the attic
I'm just an ordinary, faring very few
Do it to the mic, is the D.O. to the C., you
Made the choice that doesn't need to pretend
I'm on the extend, I know about the ?(elevator end)?
But anytime between I'm spinning
Play strong, write it like it never ending
Keep creating while suckers are hating me now
Keep the upper hand 'cause the respond is gonna plow
No one can handle the physical torture
I've been taking and no matter what, I'll support'cha
Goals and dreams although is seems it won't come true
All of that is up to you, yo
But if you can't handle
You need a check, 'cause rap's like a gamble
Basically outspoken, keeping them choking on
But you recall, yo, a helluva rap song
Doing it forever together wit Dre, it will never cease
Plenty of records like "Portrait of a Masterpiece"
Not an exceptionalist
Sort of the norm, walking and holding my testicles
?(swoon for a six)?, spell out what it means to be dope
The D.O. to the C., they can't cope
Deal the real, yo, it's better 'cause I had to be
Better than any 'cause of majority
Negative never, I'm all about a positive force if you recall
It's the D.O.C. on the ball
Rap much greater, Dre upon the fader
Pump the bass and the pace
Most like by the D.O.C and this is it
'Cause when it's hype, then I feel that it's the shit
Word, never would I stop, I drop the beat I will
Especialy when I have to kill
I'm an annihilator, standing a full 6' 3
And I really don't think you wanna deal wit me
Potrait of a, watch out, I'll go..
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Notorious Thugs >>>>>>>> Rick Ross's whole career
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DOC's delivery is ass.. His lyrics are good tho..
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DOC's delivery is ass.. His lyrics are good tho..
now I see why you Budden stan, it all makes sense now
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If you are rating Ice Cube above Big, you aren't taking into account just lyrics then. Cuz Cube's lyrics is generic and average as hell.
With DOC, he had the lyrics, but his delivery/charisma wasn't always there... So he's not overrated really
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DOC's delivery is ass.. His lyrics are good tho..
now I see why you Budden stan, it all makes sense now
Why you getting angry again? We ain't talking about Budden.. Stop taking a personal jab. Stay focused soldier!
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If you are rating Ice Cube above Big, you aren't taking into account just lyrics then. Cuz Cube's lyrics is generic and average as hell.
With DOC, he had the lyrics, but his delivery/charisma wasn't always there... So he's not overrated really
Cube's lyrics are average as hell? seriously, it's obvious as hell you have NEVER head Cube's first 4-5 albums he worked on, so you can shut your ass up now
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If you are rating Ice Cube above Big, you aren't taking into account just lyrics then. Cuz Cube's lyrics is generic and average as hell.
With DOC, he had the lyrics, but his delivery/charisma wasn't always there... So he's not overrated really
Cube's lyrics are average as hell? seriously, it's obvious as hell you have NEVER head Cube's first 4-5 albums he worked on, so you can shut your ass up now
LOL. Do you not know I grew up on west coast hip-hop, then later transitioned to the east? Of course I've heard them. I could call you out for being a Cube stan for having him in ur sig, but I ain't that shallow. Cube's lyrics are average man. That doesn't mean he doesn't have a killer flow and delivery that makes him a good artist....
This whole thread is about you rating Rick Ross over Big, so maybe you should be the one speaking no louder.
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If you are rating Ice Cube above Big, you aren't taking into account just lyrics then. Cuz Cube's lyrics is generic and average as hell.
With DOC, he had the lyrics, but his delivery/charisma wasn't always there... So he's not overrated really
Cube's lyrics are average as hell? seriously, it's obvious as hell you have NEVER head Cube's first 4-5 albums he worked on, so you can shut your ass up now
LOL. Do you not know I grew up on west coast hip-hop, then later transitioned to the east? Of course I've heard them. I could call you out for being a Cube stan for having him in ur sig, but I ain't that shallow. Cube's lyrics are average man. That doesn't mean he doesn't have a killer flow and delivery that makes him a good artist....
This whole thread is about you rating Rick Ross over Big, so maybe you should be the one speaking no louder.
This song alone>>>>BIG's career
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU8H9_YBM3A
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Cube ain't really lost his lyrics, he just lost his sting.
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big is top 5 easy.
its really not an option to choose otherwise.
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If you are rating Ice Cube above Big, you aren't taking into account just lyrics then. Cuz Cube's lyrics is generic and average as hell.
With DOC, he had the lyrics, but his delivery/charisma wasn't always there... So he's not overrated really
Cube's lyrics are average as hell? seriously, it's obvious as hell you have NEVER head Cube's first 4-5 albums he worked on, so you can shut your ass up now
LOL. Do you not know I grew up on west coast hip-hop, then later transitioned to the east? Of course I've heard them. I could call you out for being a Cube stan for having him in ur sig, but I ain't that shallow. Cube's lyrics are average man. That doesn't mean he doesn't have a killer flow and delivery that makes him a good artist....
This whole thread is about you rating Rick Ross over Big, so maybe you should be the one speaking no louder.
This song alone>>>>BIG's career
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU8H9_YBM3A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktDeFS8KZPs
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DOC is now overrated? LMAO, now I know for a fact you niggas stupid ass fuck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjiBstIH4ZI
Let's take a trip but not of the physical
Sense of direction on a kid who's artistical
Through a gallery of thoughts, of course it's dope
Pay it tough like the name on my rope
Watch it be weary instead of steppin wit the boys
A musical massacre of inadequate noise
By the new authority 'cause of majority
Of peers who hear will award superiority
To those who know you knew now it's inevitable
I laid the track and it's simple unforgettable
Time had hold me better than gold, I sold
And in front of a group of soul is a new episode
So like see if you can grab a pawn yet another one
Take it to the everyday like it's done the son
Words connected up to another degree
And if an artist who planned it there, portrait of a masterpiece
It's unquestionable
The lyrics used, the D.O.C.'s a professional
Nothing exquisite to prohibit you from listening up
Crisp and clean but I don't mean 7-Up
I preside ill dippy dope to frantic to panic
And just a man on a mission wit something more in the attic
I'm just an ordinary, faring very few
Do it to the mic, is the D.O. to the C., you
Made the choice that doesn't need to pretend
I'm on the extend, I know about the ?(elevator end)?
But anytime between I'm spinning
Play strong, write it like it never ending
Keep creating while suckers are hating me now
Keep the upper hand 'cause the respond is gonna plow
No one can handle the physical torture
I've been taking and no matter what, I'll support'cha
Goals and dreams although is seems it won't come true
All of that is up to you, yo
But if you can't handle
You need a check, 'cause rap's like a gamble
Basically outspoken, keeping them choking on
But you recall, yo, a helluva rap song
Doing it forever together wit Dre, it will never cease
Plenty of records like "Portrait of a Masterpiece"
Not an exceptionalist
Sort of the norm, walking and holding my testicles
?(swoon for a six)?, spell out what it means to be dope
The D.O. to the C., they can't cope
Deal the real, yo, it's better 'cause I had to be
Better than any 'cause of majority
Negative never, I'm all about a positive force if you recall
It's the D.O.C. on the ball
Rap much greater, Dre upon the fader
Pump the bass and the pace
Most like by the D.O.C and this is it
'Cause when it's hype, then I feel that it's the shit
Word, never would I stop, I drop the beat I will
Especialy when I have to kill
I'm an annihilator, standing a full 6' 3
And I really don't think you wanna deal wit me
Potrait of a, watch out, I'll go..
listen doc spit ill shit,dope mc no doubt,the the high praise like he's the all time great and in people's top five = overrated,ain't no way that muthafucca in no damn top 5,you hear that shit album with his voice fucc'd up and hear some of them lyrics shit was trash, ain't saying he wasn't nice but muthafuccas put too much on em, and cube range and how he changed the game i got him #2 all time,can't put big over cube,accomplishments won't allow it yell
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@box: you have Cube or Big number 2 all time? Confused...
yell @ me..
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Why is this even a discussion? Look how retarded this has gotten, which is why this moron should be banned.
Alright, BIG is a debateable Top 5; it doesn't matter where this uncredible faggot has him, the point is, Rick Ross ranks amongst the worst rappers alive.
So even if he has Biggie 45th all time, it's a retarded as fuck opinion, as if he wasn't retarded enough to begin with; but Rick Ross is like 1,045th all time, so in the end the OG statement still doesn't make sense lol.
For this little side argument, I don't have Big top five; but his legacy & impact automatically puts him in the top ten.
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DOC is now overrated? LMAO, now I know for a fact you niggas stupid ass fuck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjiBstIH4ZI
Let's take a trip but not of the physical
Sense of direction on a kid who's artistical
Through a gallery of thoughts, of course it's dope
Pay it tough like the name on my rope
Watch it be weary instead of steppin wit the boys
A musical massacre of inadequate noise
By the new authority 'cause of majority
Of peers who hear will award superiority
To those who know you knew now it's inevitable
I laid the track and it's simple unforgettable
Time had hold me better than gold, I sold
And in front of a group of soul is a new episode
So like see if you can grab a pawn yet another one
Take it to the everyday like it's done the son
Words connected up to another degree
And if an artist who planned it there, portrait of a masterpiece
It's unquestionable
The lyrics used, the D.O.C.'s a professional
Nothing exquisite to prohibit you from listening up
Crisp and clean but I don't mean 7-Up
I preside ill dippy dope to frantic to panic
And just a man on a mission wit something more in the attic
I'm just an ordinary, faring very few
Do it to the mic, is the D.O. to the C., you
Made the choice that doesn't need to pretend
I'm on the extend, I know about the ?(elevator end)?
But anytime between I'm spinning
Play strong, write it like it never ending
Keep creating while suckers are hating me now
Keep the upper hand 'cause the respond is gonna plow
No one can handle the physical torture
I've been taking and no matter what, I'll support'cha
Goals and dreams although is seems it won't come true
All of that is up to you, yo
But if you can't handle
You need a check, 'cause rap's like a gamble
Basically outspoken, keeping them choking on
But you recall, yo, a helluva rap song
Doing it forever together wit Dre, it will never cease
Plenty of records like "Portrait of a Masterpiece"
Not an exceptionalist
Sort of the norm, walking and holding my testicles
?(swoon for a six)?, spell out what it means to be dope
The D.O. to the C., they can't cope
Deal the real, yo, it's better 'cause I had to be
Better than any 'cause of majority
Negative never, I'm all about a positive force if you recall
It's the D.O.C. on the ball
Rap much greater, Dre upon the fader
Pump the bass and the pace
Most like by the D.O.C and this is it
'Cause when it's hype, then I feel that it's the shit
Word, never would I stop, I drop the beat I will
Especialy when I have to kill
I'm an annihilator, standing a full 6' 3
And I really don't think you wanna deal wit me
Potrait of a, watch out, I'll go..
This is GOAT material? Lol, DOC uses a couple big words and spits about absolutely nothing and this is top 5 to you? He doesn't even rhyme that effectively, he throws in a couple big words but most of it is "dope" with "rope", "boys" with "noise", "shit" with "it", "will" with "kill." Not too impressive. I disagree with what most of you are saying, DOC had better flow than he did rhymes.
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LMAO at all you groupies dick riding ur heros. Cube, BIG, DOC at their peaks were all dope as fuck. But Rick Ross? Nigga u should be banished for sayin that muthafuckas name in the same sentence as BIG.
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Life After Death is a 3/5 album AT BEST, but he got killed so hip hop community gave it a pity classic status. Cut all the filler from that double disc album and you're left with barely a single disc album and even then I'd give that version 4/5 TOPS.
Wow nigga are you serious?!
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Life After Death is a 3/5 album AT BEST, but he got killed so hip hop community gave it a pity classic status. Cut all the filler from that double disc album and you're left with barely a single disc album and even then I'd give that version 4/5 TOPS.
Wow nigga are you serious?!
the scary thing is that hes deadly serious lol
for me, BIG is top 5 no question...there's no point speculating as to whether or not he wouldve sold out if he was still around, so why not just shut the fuck up and enjoy the music...
as for the rick ross comparison, ill take that shit with more than a pinch of salt, not even worth acknowledging
8)
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your bitchface should be slaped for such ignorant statement. you cant mention biggie in same subject and compare him with ross. what the fuck is wrong with you. they aint even in same category.
FUCK THE FAKE RICK ROSS FAT BASTARD. EVERYTHING IS FAKE ON HIM AND HIS ENTOURAGE, HIS CREW, EVERYBODY ROUND HIM IS FAKE!!!! (diddy, triple gays etc.)
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DOC is now overrated? LMAO, now I know for a fact you niggas stupid ass fuck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjiBstIH4ZI
Let's take a trip but not of the physical
Sense of direction on a kid who's artistical
Through a gallery of thoughts, of course it's dope
Pay it tough like the name on my rope
Watch it be weary instead of steppin wit the boys
A musical massacre of inadequate noise
By the new authority 'cause of majority
Of peers who hear will award superiority
To those who know you knew now it's inevitable
I laid the track and it's simple unforgettable
Time had hold me better than gold, I sold
And in front of a group of soul is a new episode
So like see if you can grab a pawn yet another one
Take it to the everyday like it's done the son
Words connected up to another degree
And if an artist who planned it there, portrait of a masterpiece
It's unquestionable
The lyrics used, the D.O.C.'s a professional
Nothing exquisite to prohibit you from listening up
Crisp and clean but I don't mean 7-Up
I preside ill dippy dope to frantic to panic
And just a man on a mission wit something more in the attic
I'm just an ordinary, faring very few
Do it to the mic, is the D.O. to the C., you
Made the choice that doesn't need to pretend
I'm on the extend, I know about the ?(elevator end)?
But anytime between I'm spinning
Play strong, write it like it never ending
Keep creating while suckers are hating me now
Keep the upper hand 'cause the respond is gonna plow
No one can handle the physical torture
I've been taking and no matter what, I'll support'cha
Goals and dreams although is seems it won't come true
All of that is up to you, yo
But if you can't handle
You need a check, 'cause rap's like a gamble
Basically outspoken, keeping them choking on
But you recall, yo, a helluva rap song
Doing it forever together wit Dre, it will never cease
Plenty of records like "Portrait of a Masterpiece"
Not an exceptionalist
Sort of the norm, walking and holding my testicles
?(swoon for a six)?, spell out what it means to be dope
The D.O. to the C., they can't cope
Deal the real, yo, it's better 'cause I had to be
Better than any 'cause of majority
Negative never, I'm all about a positive force if you recall
It's the D.O.C. on the ball
Rap much greater, Dre upon the fader
Pump the bass and the pace
Most like by the D.O.C and this is it
'Cause when it's hype, then I feel that it's the shit
Word, never would I stop, I drop the beat I will
Especialy when I have to kill
I'm an annihilator, standing a full 6' 3
And I really don't think you wanna deal wit me
Potrait of a, watch out, I'll go..
This is GOAT material? Lol, DOC uses a couple big words and spits about absolutely nothing and this is top 5 to you? He doesn't even rhyme that effectively, he throws in a couple big words but most of it is "dope" with "rope", "boys" with "noise", "shit" with "it", "will" with "kill." Not too impressive. I disagree with what most of you are saying, DOC had better flow than he did rhymes.
you think he used big words in this song? your education lost
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DOC is now overrated? LMAO, now I know for a fact you niggas stupid ass fuck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjiBstIH4ZI
Let's take a trip but not of the physical
Sense of direction on a kid who's artistical
Through a gallery of thoughts, of course it's dope
Pay it tough like the name on my rope
Watch it be weary instead of steppin wit the boys
A musical massacre of inadequate noise
By the new authority 'cause of majority
Of peers who hear will award superiority
To those who know you knew now it's inevitable
I laid the track and it's simple unforgettable
Time had hold me better than gold, I sold
And in front of a group of soul is a new episode
So like see if you can grab a pawn yet another one
Take it to the everyday like it's done the son
Words connected up to another degree
And if an artist who planned it there, portrait of a masterpiece
It's unquestionable
The lyrics used, the D.O.C.'s a professional
Nothing exquisite to prohibit you from listening up
Crisp and clean but I don't mean 7-Up
I preside ill dippy dope to frantic to panic
And just a man on a mission wit something more in the attic
I'm just an ordinary, faring very few
Do it to the mic, is the D.O. to the C., you
Made the choice that doesn't need to pretend
I'm on the extend, I know about the ?(elevator end)?
But anytime between I'm spinning
Play strong, write it like it never ending
Keep creating while suckers are hating me now
Keep the upper hand 'cause the respond is gonna plow
No one can handle the physical torture
I've been taking and no matter what, I'll support'cha
Goals and dreams although is seems it won't come true
All of that is up to you, yo
But if you can't handle
You need a check, 'cause rap's like a gamble
Basically outspoken, keeping them choking on
But you recall, yo, a helluva rap song
Doing it forever together wit Dre, it will never cease
Plenty of records like "Portrait of a Masterpiece"
Not an exceptionalist
Sort of the norm, walking and holding my testicles
?(swoon for a six)?, spell out what it means to be dope
The D.O. to the C., they can't cope
Deal the real, yo, it's better 'cause I had to be
Better than any 'cause of majority
Negative never, I'm all about a positive force if you recall
It's the D.O.C. on the ball
Rap much greater, Dre upon the fader
Pump the bass and the pace
Most like by the D.O.C and this is it
'Cause when it's hype, then I feel that it's the shit
Word, never would I stop, I drop the beat I will
Especialy when I have to kill
I'm an annihilator, standing a full 6' 3
And I really don't think you wanna deal wit me
Potrait of a, watch out, I'll go..
This is GOAT material? Lol, DOC uses a couple big words and spits about absolutely nothing and this is top 5 to you? He doesn't even rhyme that effectively, he throws in a couple big words but most of it is "dope" with "rope", "boys" with "noise", "shit" with "it", "will" with "kill." Not too impressive. I disagree with what most of you are saying, DOC had better flow than he did rhymes.
you think he used big words in this song? your education lost
Not big to anyone with a middle school vocabulary, but bigger than his west coast contemporaries. Unfortunately he doesn't say anything with them.
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@box: you have Cube or Big number 2 all time? Confused...
yell @ me..
cube, no matter how much i enjoyed big's music, cube just took things to another level for the better of hip hop with his albums, i mean the equal predicted the riot,he spoke about everything that went on in the hood on death certificate (topics that relate to everything street and so called street dudes go through is covered in classic fashion on this album) he changed the game and got legit classics, his formula's are still used today, i think people when they judge on who's the best don't take everything into account, i mean as we speak some artist is making a "jacc'n for beats" record and ain't none top'd the original yet yell
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@box: you have Cube or Big number 2 all time? Confused...
yell @ me..
cube, no matter how much i enjoyed big's music, cube just took things to another level for the better of hip hop with his albums, i mean the equal predicted the riot,he spoke about everything that went on in the hood on death certificate (topics that relate to everything street and so called street dudes go through is covered in classic fashion on this album) he changed the game and got legit classics, his formula's are still used today, i think people when they judge on who's the best don't take everything into account, i mean as we speak some artist is making a "jacc'n for beats" record and ain't none top'd the original yet yell
Word, I Guess you right... My top 5 still:
Rakim
2Pac
Nas
Biggie
Eminem
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What bout biggie takin king ts flow...y aint tela n any of these top etc...hes one of the coldest to touch the mic...pac bein overated>>>biggie bein way overrated
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from a technical aspect i can see your point but the fact BIG flowed and rapped the way he did 10 years ago negates the whole arguement....one's innovative the other is the 1000th person to try put on them shoes hows this thread got beynd 4 pages is beyond me any one with a brain can see this
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how is this even a relevant discussion?
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first off, you euro crakkas arguing against me need to chill
I never said overall I rank Ross higher then BIG, I just said that if BIG was still rapping he'd be at Ross's level, maybe worse because his beats wouldn't be anywhere near as good
if LAD dropped today NO ONE would give higher then 3.75/5, I give it 4/5 just as pity for his kids
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first off, you euro crakkas arguing against me need to chill
I never said overall I rank Ross higher then BIG, I just said that if BIG was still rapping he'd be at Ross's level, maybe worse because his beats wouldn't be anywhere near as good
if LAD dropped today NO ONE would give higher then 3.75/5, I give it 4/5 just as pity for his kids
I personally don't think he would still of been on Bad Boy if he were alive today. Wasn't there a rumour that he was looking to leave Bad Boy before he died.
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I never said overall I rank Ross higher then BIG, I just said that if BIG was still rapping he'd be at Ross's level, maybe worse because his beats wouldn't be anywhere near as good
Not unless he completely lost his flow and downgraded his lyrics. Ross isn't anywhere near Big's level, rhyme-wise, flow-wise, anything-wise, end of story. Good day.
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sales wise? lol
I never said overall I rank Ross higher then BIG, I just said that if BIG was still rapping he'd be at Ross's level, maybe worse because his beats wouldn't be anywhere near as good
Not unless he completely lost his flow and downgraded his lyrics. Ross isn't anywhere near Big's level, rhyme-wise, flow-wise, anything-wise, end of story. Good day.
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This topic is retarded, what do they have in common besides both being fatasses? You'd have an easier time arguing that Snoop today isn't any better than Rick Ross. Actually he's worse. At least Rick Ross knows how to pick a feature. He's doing songs with Jadakiss, Styles P and TI, while Snoop is doing songs with Soulja Boy and Katy Perry.
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This topic is retarded, what do they have in common besides both being fatasses? You'd have an easier time arguing that Snoop today isn't any better than Rick Ross. Actually he's worse. At least Rick Ross knows how to pick a feature. He's doing songs with Jadakiss, Styles P and TI, while Snoop is doing songs with Soulja Boy and Katy Perry.
then get the fuck out of this thread if it's retarded, and LOL @ you trying to bring Snoop in this thread
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WTF This thread is pure bullshit . OFFICER RICKY BETTER THAN BIGGIE ? Your a cornball
Rick ross is lame and weak as a rapper . he dont talk about shit . and Teflon Don is a terrible album
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OFFICER RICKY BETTER THAN BIGGIE ?
your reading comprehension stays losing
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This topic is retarded, what do they have in common besides both being fatasses? You'd have an easier time arguing that Snoop today isn't any better than Rick Ross. Actually he's worse. At least Rick Ross knows how to pick a feature. He's doing songs with Jadakiss, Styles P and TI, while Snoop is doing songs with Soulja Boy and Katy Perry.
Haha You owned his A$$ wit dis comment 8)
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This topic is retarded, what do they have in common besides both being fatasses? You'd have an easier time arguing that Snoop today isn't any better than Rick Ross. Actually he's worse. At least Rick Ross knows how to pick a feature. He's doing songs with Jadakiss, Styles P and TI, while Snoop is doing songs with Soulja Boy and Katy Perry.
then get the fuck out of this thread if it's retarded, and LOL @ you trying to bring Snoop in this thread
Right....you're imagining if one of the 90s greats would have degenerated to Rick Ross's level if he had survived. Why not speak on a rapper who's actually alive and has been doing that?
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if LAD dropped today NO ONE would give higher then 3.75/5, I give it 4/5 just as pity for his kids
If any album dropped today it wouldn't get higher than a four lol.
Muhhhfuckkka's be mad stingy with the grades.
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if LAD dropped today NO ONE would give higher then 3.75/5, I give it 4/5 just as pity for his kids
If any album dropped today it wouldn't get higher than a four lol.
Muhhhfuckkka's be mad stingy with the grades.
I'd give
distant relatives 5/5
Rev Per Min 4.25/5
Sir Lucious 4.25/5
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if LAD dropped today NO ONE would give higher then 3.75/5, I give it 4/5 just as pity for his kids
If any album dropped today it wouldn't get higher than a four lol.
Muhhhfuckkka's be mad stingy with the grades.
I'd give
distant relatives 5/5
Rev Per Min 4.25/5
Sir Lucious 4.25/5
lmao distant relatives 5/5. i thought people realised that album wasnt that good now that a few months have passed
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Biggies been dead for like 14 years and you're trying to compare a current rapper to him. THe styles in 14 years have changed so much that can't even be a relevant thought.
that would be like me saying Big L isn't any better than J.Cole
or
Teddy Roosevelt wasn't any better than George Bush
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Biggies been dead for like 14 years and you're trying to compare a current rapper to him. THe styles in 14 years have changed so much that can't even be a relevant thought.
that would be like me saying Big L isn't any better than J.Cole
or
Teddy Roosevelt wasn't any better than George Bush
what? thats the worst metaphor ever. Of course you can compare them. Theyre both rappers. Its a matter of taste, who is the best artist. Just like it is for Big L & J Cole, and of course you can compare Roosevelt and Bush, due to them being in the same profession.
The issue here is that some ignorant and rather strange fellow has made the mistake of comparing an artist who had two great albums and was sadly taken away in one of the great tragedies of hip-hop, and compared him to a man who pales in comparison to every single thing Biggie did apart from the fact he can eat cheeseburgers just as well.
Not to mention that he starts the thread title off with "truth is" like its some sort of fact rather than his very own warped, small mind's opinion.
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if LAD dropped today NO ONE would give higher then 3.75/5, I give it 4/5 just as pity for his kids
If any album dropped today it wouldn't get higher than a four lol.
Muhhhfuckkka's be mad stingy with the grades.
I'd give
distant relatives 5/5
Rev Per Min 4.25/5
Sir Lucious 4.25/5
lmao distant relatives 5/5. i thought people realised that album wasnt that good now that a few months have passed
maybe you should go back and listen to what you usually listen too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ixK0Epr7gw
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if LAD dropped today NO ONE would give higher then 3.75/5, I give it 4/5 just as pity for his kids
If any album dropped today it wouldn't get higher than a four lol.
Muhhhfuckkka's be mad stingy with the grades.
I'd give
distant relatives 5/5
Rev Per Min 4.25/5
Sir Lucious 4.25/5
lmao distant relatives 5/5. i thought people realised that album wasnt that good now that a few months have passed
maybe you should go back and listen to what you usually listen too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ixK0Epr7gw
actually if u check my last.fm link in my sig you will see what i listen to. and yeah i love southern hip hop, although this song kinda sucks. a lot of folks are quick to hate cause they just cant accept music that bangs unless its got some feigned attempt at "intelligence". to each their own. lets not get snobby about it tho.
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This idiot created a hype thread but can't handle the heat so he complains and calls posters name.
Eat dick.
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This idiot created a hype thread but can't handle the heat so he complains and calls posters name.
Eat dick.
why you catching feelings? I don't what the fuck you talking about handling the "heat"
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When people argue against you (the heat), you resort to calling them names.
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When people argue against you (the heat), you resort to calling them names.
it's not a matter of "name calling" it's about pointing out the reality
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the irony on show in the thread is amazing
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the irony on show in the thread is amazing
replace the word Irony with stupidity and you're spot on.
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the irony on show in the thread is amazing
replace the word Irony with stupidity and you're spot on.
UK crakkas giving lectures on what's good in hip hop, LOL
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the irony on show in the thread is amazing
replace the word Irony with stupidity and you're spot on.
UK crakkas giving lectures on what's good in hip hop, LOL
no need for the personal attacks...just cos your black white or from america canada doesnt automatically make you an authority on all things hip hop, gtfo here with that shit
edited for truth ;)
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got to love these pseudo hip hop elitists
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3.5/5 from RollingStone
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the irony on show in the thread is amazing
replace the word Irony with stupidity and you're spot on.
UK crakkas giving lectures on what's good in hip hop, LOL
I love racism. Its soooo funny. But the best thing about it is, it shows off your intelligence. Congrats sir.
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the irony on show in the thread is amazing
replace the word Irony with stupidity and you're spot on.
UK crakkas giving lectures on what's good in hip hop, LOL
I love racism. Its soooo funny. But the best thing about it is, it shows off your intelligence. Congrats sir.
i especially enjoyed how he spelt crakka with two k's and and an a....i wudda never known he was authentic otherwise
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Euros catching feelings
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Euros catching feelings
they do. i guess they're tryna keep tha playing field "equal" but at tha end of tha day it's like a black guy tryna tell a German or a Russian or a Canadian guy how 2 play hockey when it comes to this music thing. it just isn't happening.
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Whose the one really catching feelings? They called your opinion stupid, which I agree is FUCKING retarded & I'm not European & what did you do? Took it personal because you, sir, are the one his is "catching feelings".
This is what shames me to rep being American, the rest of you are SO fucking stupid. If they both co-signed what you said (but only a moron would do something like that *look above me*) you would of been like "yeah, yeah, props all around".
So lame.
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homos catching feelings
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Euros catching feelings
they do. i guess they're tryna keep tha playing field "equal" but at tha end of tha day it's like a black guy tryna tell a German or a Russian or a Canadian guy how 2 play hockey when it comes to this music thing. it just isn't happening.
exactly, these dudes driving around some all white town in eastern Europe bumping Dogg Food thinking they have the same perspective as us as to what's going on
they cry "oh, Rick Ross isn't a real drug dealer!!!" I don't know ONE nigga that for one second believed that Ross was moving 100 kilos of anything. THey just like good music to bump too and that's what he provides
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Euros catching feelings
they do. i guess they're tryna keep tha playing field "equal" but at tha end of tha day it's like a black guy tryna tell a German or a Russian or a Canadian guy how 2 play hockey when it comes to this music thing. it just isn't happening.
This.
HOWEVER I don't just don't enjoy his music.. Speedin' is a classic jam tho...
exactly, these dudes driving around some all white town in eastern Europe bumping Dogg Food thinking they have the same perspective as us as to what's going on
they cry "oh, Rick Ross isn't a real drug dealer!!!" I don't know ONE nigga that for one second believed that Ross was moving 100 kilos of anything. THey just like good music to bump too and that's what he provides
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Euros catching feelings
they do. i guess they're tryna keep tha playing field "equal" but at tha end of tha day it's like a black guy tryna tell a German or a Russian or a Canadian guy how 2 play hockey when it comes to this music thing. it just isn't happening.
exactly, these dudes driving around some all white town in eastern Europe bumping Dogg Food thinking they have the same perspective as us as to what's going on
they cry "oh, Rick Ross isn't a real drug dealer!!!" I don't know ONE nigga that for one second believed that Ross was moving 100 kilos of anything. THey just like good music to bump too and that's what he provides
so being white and canadian, what kinda perspective do you have on what rappers speak about? just about as much as us "euro crakkas" id guess
tbh i form my opinion on rappers based on presentation, beats, flow, lyrics etc etc and to me, other than his good ear for beats, rick ross is just not that interesting to listen to...i guess im just a bit harder to impress when it comes to hip hop music :-\
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u just missed tha whole point bruh^^
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u just missed tha whole point bruh^^
i dont think so
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u just missed tha whole point bruh^^
i dont think so
i do
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u just missed tha whole point bruh^^
i dont think so
Na, you clearly did. Apparently, if you're not a Black American, you're not allowed to talk Hip Hop because it's "so difficult to understand if you're not living it". ::)
:D
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It shouldn't matter if their background checks out. You listen to the music becuz u feel it, and u like it. It really doesn't matter what artist is making it..
On the grand scheme of things, if 2Pac wrote your all time favorite song, than one day you found out he didn't actually experience what the song was about.. Would you still listen to it? Hell yeah.
I'm sure if we had the internet and cell phones more involved back then like today, alot of the OG "real" artists wouldn't have such credibility...
If you like the song, listen to it. #JustSaying
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u just missed tha whole point bruh^^
i dont think so
Na, you clearly did. Apparently, if you're not a Black American, you're not allowed to talk Hip Hop because it's "so difficult to understand if you're not living it". ::)
:D
What if you're from Maryland and just started listening to 90s hip hop a year ago?
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u just missed tha whole point bruh^^
i dont think so
Na, you clearly did. Apparently, if you're not a Black American, you're not allowed to talk Hip Hop because it's "so difficult to understand if you're not living it". ::)
:D
What if you're from Maryland and just started listening to 90s hip hop a year ago?
That's good, dudes doing their homework and going to the back catalogue to catch up on what they missed.
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wow, some people just will never get it
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It shouldn't matter if their background checks out. You listen to the music becuz u feel it, and u like it. It really doesn't matter what artist is making it..
On the grand scheme of things, if 2Pac wrote your all time favorite song, than one day you found out he didn't actually experience what the song was about.. Would you still listen to it? Hell yeah.
I'm sure if we had the internet and cell phones more involved back then like today, alot of the OG "real" artists wouldn't have such credibility...
If you like the song, listen to it. #JustSaying
I feel the same, I'm sure if there was youtube and all the shit in the 90s, a lot of people would have been ethered back then. I mean shit dude, if someone upped the vid of 2Pac not being able to say "the bbbb b-word" people would have shitted on his Thug Life image, or if that video of him and Jada dancing in the 80s. It would been Mobb Deep And Summer Jam. Just my .02. *kanye shrug*
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Read to Die is 5/5 classic (unlike Reasonable Doubt), no one can deny that but check out his second album. Life After Death is a 3/5 album AT BEST, but he got killed so hip hop community gave it a pity classic status. Cut all the filler from that double disc album and you're left with barely a single disc album and even then I'd give that version 4/5 TOPS. So let's look at Rick Ross, lyrically he's you average studio gangster rapper with the occasional clever line, like BIG was after RTD. Couple his lyrics with very high quality production and you have basically what BIG would be if he was still alive. Reality is though, if he was still alive and still with puffy his beats probably wouldn't be nearly as good so he'd probably be putting out albums worse then officer Rawse
I agree with your original statement that a 2010 version of BIG would be no better than Rick Ross. However, a mid-90's BIG shits all over Rick Ross, because the scene at the time in hip-hop was so dominant back then, that almost any rapper in that era would shit all over Rick Ross. So I don't think it's fair for you to compare Life After Death to any of Ross' material because Ross could never come close to that level.
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u just missed tha whole point bruh^^
i dont think so
Na, you clearly did. Apparently, if you're not a Black American, you're not allowed to talk Hip Hop because it's "so difficult to understand if you're not living it". ::)
:D
What if you're from Maryland and just started listening to 90s hip hop a year ago?
Depends on how hood you are.
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It shouldn't matter if their background checks out. You listen to the music becuz u feel it, and u like it. It really doesn't matter what artist is making it..
On the grand scheme of things, if 2Pac wrote your all time favorite song, than one day you found out he didn't actually experience what the song was about.. Would you still listen to it? Hell yeah.
I'm sure if we had the internet and cell phones more involved back then like today, alot of the OG "real" artists wouldn't have such credibility...
If you like the song, listen to it. #JustSaying
I feel the same, I'm sure if there was youtube and all the shit in the 90s, a lot of people would have been ethered back then. I mean shit dude, if someone upped the vid of 2Pac not being able to say "the bbbb b-word" people would have shitted on his Thug Life image, or if that video of him and Jada dancing in the 80s. It would been Mobb Deep And Summer Jam. Just my .02. *kanye shrug*
Exactly.
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(http://allhiphop.com/photos/news_feature_images/images/22311350/425x319.aspx)
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i never understood that prodigy at summerjam thing and why people really didn't believe in him after that, i mean jigga put pics up of him when he was like from 11-13 at a dance school that his grand ma who is a fame dance teacer taught at. but i guess only in rap, and then with pac when those equals was saying he couldn't fight and he would get on his bacc and kicc his feet up,well now a days that's a move they use in ufc and people think it's a mainly defensive move now,so go figure yell
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Yeah, 2pac done changed the whole country into a buncha bitches!
jk.
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When people argue against you (the heat), you resort to calling them names.
it's not a matter of "name calling" it's about pointing out the reality
what gives you the right & who says you know reality anyways . because you don't know reality . nobody from canada has the right to tell anybody about hip hop like you are. i have been living & listening to hip hop since 1982. so the gives me more right over you . also i am black & from the U.S. unlike you . everything you said is bullcrap . you are ignorant,closeminded, & acting like a stan . nothing you said is right . instead it is all crap . get over yourself . you acting people & caling them names like hurt little bitch . you have no right to do that . since you are from canada, that means you are in the same categorey as you call the euros . so stop dising them because you are one of them . so shut up with crap yo uare saying & stop acting like a little spoiled hurt feelings bitch
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Not sure how many of you were around when LAD dropped?
First off, LAD is NOT Biggie's best album, most of us can acknowledge that.
Secondly, Rick Ross, it pains me to say, has improved a lot, and just dropped a fairly dope album. Nice beats, hooks, guest appearances, and decent lyrics from Ross.
Thirdly, since Big ain't still here, its hard to compare. He'd be damn near 40 like Jay, and we all know Jay is an anomally.
The only thing we can do is compare what Big was to what Ross is....and the comparison is laughable.
RIght now, ROss is at the top of his game...where is his Mo Money, Mo Problems? Ross is popular right now, but at about 30 percent of what BIg was. Yes, Biggie died b4 the album dropped, and this no doubt increased sales. But songs like Hypnotize, Mo Money, Going Back To Cali, etc were gonna be HUGE regardless. You had a great storyteller with a SICK flow combined with the Hitmen...the combination was incredible.
DOes LAD have some wack songs? Yes, a few...most notably ANother...other that that, what is filler? You've got your radio songs (and good ones actually), your storytelling joints (name one ROss song WITHOUT GUESTS that fucks with I Got A Story to Tell), your dark joints ( Long Kiss Good night), your straight lyrical joints (KIck in the Door)...really, a complete album, and as others have said, the blueprint for hip hop since.
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Anyone ever walked around n ny and said this?
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You think anyone will listen to rick ross music ten years after he stops publishing?
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You think anyone will listen to rick ross music ten years after he stops publishing?
If he died tomorrow, yes.
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You think anyone will listen to rick ross music ten years after he stops publishing?
If he died tomorrow, yes.
Biggie was the king of New York and people loved his music at the time that he died. Rick Ross dying would have a much smaller impact. And since no one is impressed by his lyrical ability now, I doubt that would change.
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^Rick Ross dying would have zero impact, on anything lol.
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You think anyone will listen to rick ross music ten years after he stops publishing?
If he died tomorrow, yes.
Biggie was the king of New York and people loved his music at the time that he died. Rick Ross dying would have a much smaller impact. And since no one is impressed by his lyrical ability now, I doubt that would change.
Ross the king of Miami and ppl love his music right now.. Same shit dog, open your eyes.
Same thing with Lil Wayne. If any of these dudes died tomorrow these groupies would start ODing on their catalogues, BELIEVE THAT.
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You think anyone will listen to rick ross music ten years after he stops publishing?
If he died tomorrow, yes.
Biggie was the king of New York and people loved his music at the time that he died. Rick Ross dying would have a much smaller impact. And since no one is impressed by his lyrical ability now, I doubt that would change.
Ross the king of Miami and ppl love his music right now.. Same shit dog, open your eyes.
Same thing with Lil Wayne. If any of these dudes died tomorrow these groupies would start ODing on their catalogues, BELIEVE THAT.
you must be joking....nobody thinks Rick Ross is the king of Miami. And his music is not loved. People appreciate his beat-selection, but I have never heard anyone refer to Rick Ross as a lyricist. No one is going around saying "damn this dude is a dope lyricist", much less saying "this dude is the best rapper out". Just look at dude's record sales. His last record sold less in its entire run than Big's did in its first week. GTFO. You must be blazed as fuck right now to think his popularity is anywhere near Big's was.
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You think anyone will listen to rick ross music ten years after he stops publishing?
If he died tomorrow, yes.
Biggie was the king of New York and people loved his music at the time that he died. Rick Ross dying would have a much smaller impact. And since no one is impressed by his lyrical ability now, I doubt that would change.
Ross the king of Miami and ppl love his music right now.. Same shit dog, open your eyes.
Same thing with Lil Wayne. If any of these dudes died tomorrow these groupies would start ODing on their catalogues, BELIEVE THAT.
you must be joking....nobody thinks Rick Ross is the king of Miami. And his music is not loved. People appreciate his beat-selection, but I have never heard anyone refer to Rick Ross as a lyricist. No one is going around saying "damn this dude is a dope lyricist", much less saying "this dude is the best rapper out". Just look at dude's record sales. His last record sold less in its entire run than Big's did in its first week. GTFO. You must be blazed as fuck right now to think his popularity is anywhere near Big's was.
It's clear you didn't even read this thread. We've already established Big was a better lyricist on the first page of this shit..
Do your homework dude.
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lmao?
If you can't tell the difference between Big's lyrical ability and Ross', then you a failure to Hip-Hop.
Okay Active, my argument here is this:
I know the subject content of these rappers are very similar. I'm saying when it comes down to actually writing and forming rhymes around that content, BIG has it on lock. He is a better writer, a better lyricist, a better freestyler.
If you want to argue as an artist [making songs that ppl like to listen to], you have a case.
As a lyricist, Big > Ross a million times over.
Next time, read the thread!
As for what we discussing now. There is no doubt in my mind dying ups your spins by at least 50 percent more for at least a year after you die... For someone as "popular" as Rick Ross, you gonna tell me that ain't true?
And as sad as this list is. You tell me who are most relevant and buzz-worthy artists?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Miami_rappers
Rick Ross and Pitbull (if you hispanic)
Plies don't have a bigger buzz than Ross, Trick Daddy fell off, Flo-Rida is inactive.
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lol@ lol'ing at Snoop/Kate Perry...........that song gets alot of airplay
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Tbh Rick Ross' whole style is based off BIG. If BIG was still alive Rick Ross wouldn't be relevant or be a completely different artist
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I don't know...
Proof died & nobody automatically put him in the Top 10 of anything.
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You think anyone will listen to rick ross music ten years after he stops publishing?
If he died tomorrow, yes.
Biggie was the king of New York and people loved his music at the time that he died. Rick Ross dying would have a much smaller impact. And since no one is impressed by his lyrical ability now, I doubt that would change.
Ross the king of Miami and ppl love his music right now.. Same shit dog, open your eyes.
Same thing with Lil Wayne. If any of these dudes died tomorrow these groupies would start ODing on their catalogues, BELIEVE THAT.
you must be joking....nobody thinks Rick Ross is the king of Miami. And his music is not loved. People appreciate his beat-selection, but I have never heard anyone refer to Rick Ross as a lyricist. No one is going around saying "damn this dude is a dope lyricist", much less saying "this dude is the best rapper out". Just look at dude's record sales. His last record sold less in its entire run than Big's did in its first week. GTFO. You must be blazed as fuck right now to think his popularity is anywhere near Big's was.
It's clear you didn't even read this thread. We've already established Big was a better lyricist on the first page of this shit..
Do your homework dude.
And WHY is Big loved and respected? Because of his LYRICISM. And because of his HITS. Rick Ross has neither. He has released 3 decent albums that have gotten some attention. No one is going around praising dude and no one is calling his music classic. And for certain no one is calling him the king of anything. Plenty rappers better than Rick Ross have died. And not even those guys are on the level of Big's posthumous popularity.
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As for what we discussing now. There is no doubt in my mind dying ups your spins by at least 50 percent more for at least a year after you die... For someone as "popular" as Rick Ross, you gonna tell me that ain't true?
No doubt his music would get more spins for a year after his death. But that wouldn't put him anywhere close to Big's level of popularity. And he would not be anywhere near GOAT status, not now and not 15 years after his death.
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lmao?
If you can't tell the difference between Big's lyrical ability and Ross', then you a failure to Hip-Hop.
Okay Active, my argument here is this:
I know the subject content of these rappers are very similar. I'm saying when it comes down to actually writing and forming rhymes around that content, BIG has it on lock. He is a better writer, a better lyricist, a better freestyler.
If you want to argue as an artist [making songs that ppl like to listen to], you have a case.
As a lyricist, Big > Ross a million times over.
Next time, read the thread!
As for what we discussing now. There is no doubt in my mind dying ups your spins by at least 50 percent more for at least a year after you die... For someone as "popular" as Rick Ross, you gonna tell me that ain't true?
And as sad as this list is. You tell me who are most relevant and buzz-worthy artists?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Miami_rappers
Rick Ross and Pitbull (if you hispanic)
Plies don't have a bigger buzz than Ross, Trick Daddy fell off, Flo-Rida is inactive.
Look, RIck' album is pretty dope, his lyrics are much improved, he has dope beat selection, but its not like he is bringing anything new to the game.
If you were under 10 when BIG dropped, it would be hard for you to understand his impact. Back then, he came on and his shit was next level. Grimy yet radio friendly, lyrical yet lyrically accessible, he had it all. He was the KING BEFORE he died, his death just helped cement it.
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As for what we discussing now. There is no doubt in my mind dying ups your spins by at least 50 percent more for at least a year after you die... For someone as "popular" as Rick Ross, you gonna tell me that ain't true?
No doubt his music would get more spins for a year after his death. But that wouldn't put him anywhere close to Big's level of popularity. And he would not be anywhere near GOAT status, not now and not 15 years after his death.
True, props.
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I need 2 listen 2 more proof but he was slept on 2 begin wit unlike ross wayne or biggie
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You think anyone will listen to rick ross music ten years after he stops publishing?
If he died tomorrow, yes.
Biggie was the king of New York and people loved his music at the time that he died. Rick Ross dying would have a much smaller impact. And since no one is impressed by his lyrical ability now, I doubt that would change.
Ross the king of Miami and ppl love his music right now.. Same shit dog, open your eyes.
Same thing with Lil Wayne. If any of these dudes died tomorrow these groupies would start ODing on their catalogues, BELIEVE THAT.
Nonsense, Nobody LOVES Rick Ross' music. Everybody who can string two syllables together knows he's not a great rapper.
Most people did LOVE Biggie, and everybody who can string two syllables together know he was a GREAT rapper. His songs and lyrics were much more relatable, and thats why so much love was shown when he died.
If Rick Ross died his legacy would be Blow Money Fast. Which is laughably bad. He has no classic tracks so his discography would mean pretty much nothing.
However, I will admit that the kids do seem to love Lil' Wayne. If he died all his music would be bought up like its classic gold (which of course it isn't). Lil' Wayne has a strong fanbase which adores everything he does. As far as I'm aware Rick Ross Doesn't have that.
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You think anyone will listen to rick ross music ten years after he stops publishing?
If he died tomorrow, yes.
Biggie was the king of New York and people loved his music at the time that he died. Rick Ross dying would have a much smaller impact. And since no one is impressed by his lyrical ability now, I doubt that would change.
Ross the king of Miami and ppl love his music right now.. Same shit dog, open your eyes.
Same thing with Lil Wayne. If any of these dudes died tomorrow these groupies would start ODing on their catalogues, BELIEVE THAT.
Nonsense, Nobody LOVES Rick Ross' music. Everybody who can string two syllables together knows he's not a great rapper.
Most people did LOVE Biggie, and everybody who can string two syllables together know he was a GREAT rapper. His songs and lyrics were much more relatable, and thats why so much love was shown when he died.
If Rick Ross died his legacy would be Blow Money Fast. Which is laughably bad. He has no classic tracks so his discography would mean pretty much nothing.
However, I will admit that the kids do seem to love Lil' Wayne. If he died all his music would be bought up like its classic gold (which of course it isn't). Lil' Wayne has a strong fanbase which adores everything he does. As far as I'm aware Rick Ross Doesn't have that.
I dunno man, I still hear ppl OD on Hustling and Speedin quite a bit.. And that joint with Akon.
I seen my friend download a whack of Gangstarr after Guru died, and now he listen to them all the time. And I know he heard Guru rap before now... So what's that say..
Ppl tend to be more open to music when they know that dude is dead and he never gonna put out new shit, they don't wanna miss anything..
If Ross died tomorrow, there'll be about 2-3 idiots posting threads up on here specifically about how underrated Ross' music was.
EDIT: After thinking about this shit, someone posted that exact thread (we're in it) without Ross being dead. So there it is. Ross got some kind of influence on ppl...
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I will forever believe, for eternity, dead or alive; Rick Ross is a ridiculously awful rapper.
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Guru was already a pioneer before he passed. All that Gang Starr shit is certified classic material. And even with that classic material, he still isn't that big after his death.
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I will forever believe, for eternity, dead or alive; Rick Ross is a ridiculously awful rapper.
Lol, ain''t that the truth.
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Guru was already a pioneer before he passed. All that Gang Starr shit is certified classic material. And even with that classic material, he still isn't that big after his death.
I guess, it just always seem it don't matter who it is, your status gets bumped up one notch when you die. It's like "Honorary status bump" for one year after you die, then they bring u back down, lol.
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I'll this album 4/5 after several weeks of spinning this
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Really can we revoke the hip hop pass for Euro fags like this. Your mother should of swallowed you and Reasonable Doubt and Life After Death are classics. Get Suge Knghts cock out ya mouth you worthless faggot
:sign_banhim:
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better question, who had better titties, ross or big?
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reasonable doubt became a classic cause ready to die and illmatic was, it's that simple, yell
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reasonable doubt became a classic cause ready to die and illmatic was, it's that simple, yell
no one thought RD was classic when it dropped, but people gave it that label because they felt Jay needed to have one classic to his name
I wouldn't put RD on a top 20 list of NY albums
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Is anything classic when it drops?
I'd say Reasonable Doubt was a lesser classic than others, but it's a classic no matter which way you slice it.
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RD Is Jay's best album, but not a classic imo.