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http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=ki-floydducking072710
"Mayweather exposed as chicken"
By Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports
Jul 27, 11:38 pm EDT
HBO Sports president Ross Greenburg released a four-paragraph, five-sentence statement Monday which cast doubt upon the veracity of Floyd Mayweather Jr.; Mayweather’s best friend, Mayweather Promotions CEO Leonard Ellerbe; Golden Boy Promotions president Oscar De La Hoya and Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer and which forever eliminated any doubt about Mayweather’s intention: He’s ducking Manny Pacquiao.
There can be no other rational explanation.
Welcome to “Mayweather in Wonderland,” where they try to convince you that up is down, the grass is blue and the sky is green. Never mind that Mayweather has tarnished, perhaps forever, his legacy as one of the best boxers of all time. Given his disinclination to fight Pacquiao, it’s hard to regard him as the best fighter of his own time.
Mayweather was nowhere to be found on Monday, still on vacation, apparently oblivious to the millions of boxing fans desperate to hear a word about his intentions. If Mayweather cared about his legacy, if he cared about the sport that has made him rich and famous, he wouldn’t have been invisible the last few weeks while allowing Ellerbe to spew a lot of mumbo jumbo.
Mayweather and his cronies attempted to insinuate that Top Rank chairman Bob Arum was being deceitful when he said he’d been negotiating for a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight with Greenburg serving as the middle man. Greenburg and Arum have not had the strongest of relationships, while Greenburg has an extraordinarily cozy relationship with Golden Boy. If Arum were lying, their frequently contentious history together suggests that Greenburg would have called him on it immediately.
Greenburg, though, clearly sided with Arum, when he said, in part, “I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2nd … “
That’s what Arum, who promotes Pacquiao, has steadfastly claimed for weeks. On June 30, Arum told Yahoo! Sports that “all issues were resolved” and that the only outstanding matter was whether Mayweather wanted to fight in 2010 or 2011. Arum then set a July 16, 11:59 p.m. deadline on Mayweather to accept the deal. On a conference call in the early morning hours of July 17, Arum announced the deadline had passed without word from Mayweather and that he was pursuing a fight for Pacquiao with either Antonio Margarito or Miguel Cotto.
Ellerbe, though, released a statement on July 19 that was the beginning of the end for Team Mayweather’s credibility. Ellerbe disputed that talks had even taken place. “Here are the facts,” the statement read. “Al Haymon, Richard Schaefer and myself speak to each other on a regular basis and the truth is no negotiations have ever taken place nor was there ever a deal agreed upon by Team Mayweather or Floyd Mayweather to fight Manny Pacquiao on November 13. Either Ross Greenburg or Bob Arum is not telling the truth, but history tells us who is lying.”
That led many in the media to quickly assail Arum’s credibility and for Schaefer and De La Hoya to issue self-righteous comments backing Ellerbe and denying negotiations had ever taken place.
And they would have won this silly game had it ended there and had Greenburg not entered the fray. Arum insisted he was telling the truth, but few seemed to believe him. They didn’t, that is, until Greenburg released his brief, simple, but truly remarkable statement.
In it, he said, “Fights like Mayweather vs. Pacquiao are significant because of these fighters’ ability to connect with sports fans around the world. It’s unfortunate that it won’t happen in 2010. I had been negotiating with a representative from each side since May 2nd, carefully trying to put the fight together. Hopefully, someday this fight will happen. Sports fans deserve it.”
Here’s what sports fans deserve: They deserve better than to waste their hard-earned money on “Money,” who acts as if he’s invented the sport. Mayweather’s a brilliant talent who never seems to let one forget it, who behaves as if he should be able to dictate terms and others should gratefully accept it because he said so.
Let him play in his fantasy world. Boxing doesn’t need him. And, truth be told, he’s wrong about his value.
Mayweather has sold more pay-per-views against common opponents than Pacquiao and his gates for those fights have been bigger. But Pacquiao’s Nov. 14 bout with Cotto at the MGM had a far greater economic impact upon the city of Las Vegas than either of Mayweather’s and the Nevada Gaming Control Board attributed casinos’ best performance in 22 months in November 2009 to the presence of the Pacquiao-Cotto bout and the high-rolling Asian gamblers who spent loads of money.
Despite apparently being caught red-handed when Greenburg released his statement, Ellerbe’s only response on the record was, “I hear his statement and I stand by my statement.” But he then attempted to insinuate that comments Mayweather made at a June 2 Make-a-Wish event in Las Vegas should have been taken by the media that he never planned to fight Pacquiao this year.
“At this particular time, Floyd Mayweather is taking probably a year off, a couple of years off from the sport of boxing,” Mayweather said at the charity event. “I don’t really know what the future holds for Floyd Mayweather at this particular time, but I’ll probably take a couple of years off.”
Saying one “probably” is going to take a year off is a lot different than releasing a statement or holding a media conference and announcing one’s retirement. Yet, Ellerbe attempted to intimate that Mayweather’s statement to sports director Chris Maathuis of KLAS-TV in his gym at a charity event was a definitive announcement.
What muddied the waters even more was De La Hoya apparently lying to Univision on June 11. In a televised Spanish-language interview, De La Hoya said of a potential Mayweather-Pacquiao fight, “I think right now we are very, very close in finalizing the contracts. I can’t talk right now in detail about the negotiations but I will say that we are very close.”
The comments caused quite a stir when they were made, but Schaefer dismissed them. He insisted De La Hoya had been misquoted. But when those pesky reporters actually went and had Spanish experts translate the recording, it turned out that De La Hoya wasn’t misquoted.
So the Golden Boy tried a different tactic on Monday. He told Robert Morales of BoxingScene.com, “I think I said it because I get the question so many times that, obviously, I was fed up and tired of it and I just said like, ‘Yeah, yeah, it’s gonna get made.’ ”
Essentially, De La Hoya on Monday admitted to lying on June 11, though it’s uncertain how his June 11 comments would have helped end the questioning he wanted to avoid. Given that he said a deal was close, that would only seem to make the scrutiny greater, no lesser. Had he said there were no talks – which he’s now insisting is the truth – and that the fight was not going to happen, no one would have had reason to keep asking him.
No one is going to ask any more. How can anyone support someone with Mayweather’s arrogance, who cares so little about the fans who made him rich beyond his wildest dreams that he won’t even consider the fight they want more than any other?
Mayweather has run from his biggest challenge. The fans, even those who have ardently supported him through the years, will surely remember that. And the next time he dares to compare himself to one of boxing’s all-time greats, such as Sugar Ray Robinson or Sugar Ray Leonard, they’ll scoff.
He can’t hold a candle to either.
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This guy is taking a beating lol
He should really consider what he's doing and understand he is destroying his own reputation with this shit.
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Mayweather is busy partying with whores. What a pussy
He should take the fight cuz he's not really "Pretty Boy" Floyd
I mean if he had my looks then I can understand him not wanting
to alter my undeniable face
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Lol I clowned on PacMan towards the beginning but it's pretty obvious who the bitch is now.
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Mayweather is smart... hes gonna fight Pacman when he knows he can beat him
look at the ranking Floyd is still number 1 and will stay like that throughout his career...
its a smart move for Money cus he knows he can beat pacman after pac gets into a couple of more brawls and loses his mojo
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Mayweather is smart... hes gonna fight Pacman when he knows he can beat him
look at the ranking Floyd is still number 1 and will stay like that throughout his career...
its a smart move for Money cus he knows he can beat pacman after pac gets into a couple of more brawls and loses his mojo
Manny is still rated as the P4P King. But yeah, Mayweather is hoping Manny loses some steam somewhere. Or simply wears down. Im sure he is also crossing his fingers hoping somebody beats Manny and Floyd never even HAS to fight him. But if he wants to be considered the greatest, he needs this fight. Manny is already so respected by the boxing world (media...fans...even casual fans). Floyd still has something to prove. His perfect record is all he has to argue that he is the greatest. Thats why he does all he can to make sure he only takes fights he will win. He shoulda faught Mosley years ago so Mosley coulda beat that ass.
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Mayweather is smart... hes gonna fight Pacman when he knows he can beat him
look at the ranking Floyd is still number 1 and will stay like that throughout his career...
its a smart move for Money cus he knows he can beat pacman after pac gets into a couple of more brawls and loses his mojo
Manny is still rated as the P4P King. But yeah, Mayweather is hoping Manny loses some steam somewhere. Or simply wears down. Im sure he is also crossing his fingers hoping somebody beats Manny and Floyd never even HAS to fight him. But if he wants to be considered the greatest, he needs this fight. Manny is already so respected by the boxing world (media...fans...even casual fans). Floyd still has something to prove. His perfect record is all he has to argue that he is the greatest. Thats why he does all he can to make sure he only takes fights he will win. He shoulda faught Mosley years ago so Mosley coulda beat that ass.
And the sad thing is, he kept ducking Mosley too until he stopped and realized how much of a bitch he would've looked like if he ducked TWO opponents for the rest of his life lol. I give Floyd credit though, he handled shit when it counted.
He's kind of like LeBron. You're always hearing stories about how he's a bitch and you get a inkling that it might be true, but when you see him in the ring/court you don't really care because he's so good at what he does. Except in Mayweather's case it's way worse.
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Media and some fans really believing fucking Bob Arum of all people.
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Mayweather is smart... hes gonna fight Pacman when he knows he can beat him
look at the ranking Floyd is still number 1 and will stay like that throughout his career...
its a smart move for Money cus he knows he can beat pacman after pac gets into a couple of more brawls and loses his mojo
Manny is still rated as the P4P King. But yeah, Mayweather is hoping Manny loses some steam somewhere. Or simply wears down. Im sure he is also crossing his fingers hoping somebody beats Manny and Floyd never even HAS to fight him. But if he wants to be considered the greatest, he needs this fight. Manny is already so respected by the boxing world (media...fans...even casual fans). Floyd still has something to prove. His perfect record is all he has to argue that he is the greatest. Thats why he does all he can to make sure he only takes fights he will win. He shoulda faught Mosley years ago so Mosley coulda beat that ass.
Is being the greatest worth losing all the money that comes with arguably the most anticipated fight in the last few decades? lol..
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Mayweather is smart... hes gonna fight Pacman when he knows he can beat him
look at the ranking Floyd is still number 1 and will stay like that throughout his career...
its a smart move for Money cus he knows he can beat pacman after pac gets into a couple of more brawls and loses his mojo
Manny is still rated as the P4P King. But yeah, Mayweather is hoping Manny loses some steam somewhere. Or simply wears down. Im sure he is also crossing his fingers hoping somebody beats Manny and Floyd never even HAS to fight him. But if he wants to be considered the greatest, he needs this fight. Manny is already so respected by the boxing world (media...fans...even casual fans). Floyd still has something to prove. His perfect record is all he has to argue that he is the greatest. Thats why he does all he can to make sure he only takes fights he will win. He shoulda faught Mosley years ago so Mosley coulda beat that ass.
Is being the greatest worth losing all the money that comes with arguably the most anticipated fight in the last few decades? lol..
If you got enough money, yes!
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"a fight with this great man will be one of the biggest fights in history,unfortunately it will never happen" sugar ray leonard 5 to 6 years before he actually fought marvin hagler, funny how fans seem to not remember things like that hahaha yell
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Media and some fans really believing fucking Bob Arum of all people.
Obviously people and the media were questioning whether Arum was telling the truth. Until Ross Greenburg (President of HBO Sports) stepped forward and backed Arums story that there WERE talks between the camps. Greenburg was the middleman in those talks. Thats what has sparked this latest buzz about Mayweather ducking this fight. He kept saying (well his people kept saying..but we all know Mayweathers people just do whatever Mayweather wants) that there were no talks between the two camps in order to make Arum look like a liar when he said that Mayweather never responded back by the deadline in order to make the fight. It made everyone question Arum. Then Greenburg came forward and said that they had been in talks for a while and that he was assisting in them.
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"a fight with this great man will be one of the biggest fights in history,unfortunately it will never happen" sugar ray leonard 5 to 6 years before he actually fought marvin hagler, funny how fans seem to not remember things like that hahaha yell
People remember. And hopefully this fight doesnt happen in 5 to 6 years, or it will be Roy Jones vs Bernard Hopkins all over again. And Floyd isnt Sugar Ray. Sugar Ray took on fighters like Hagler and Hearns. Mayweather would piss himself if he ever had to step in the ring with those guys lol
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Been sayin this ever since people been putting Mayweather in the top of the pound-for-pound category. Dude avoids challenging fights. Pacquiao is too much of a threat to him and he's gonna bullshit until Pacman has a bad fight or Mayweather decides to go back into retirement.
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LOL.
Good for the HBO pres, that's the typa shit I respect.
Who wants to bet Floyd fires one or both of his advisors to try and save face.. And also since he got Don King supposedly lined up, perfect opportunity.
He probably planned this shit out, even...
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It's gonna be a real cold winter if Cotto beats Pacquiao but some stroke of luck. LOL.
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It's gonna be a real cold winter if Cotto beats Pacquiao but some stroke of luck. LOL.
Margarito
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It's gonna be a real cold winter if Cotto beats Pacquiao but some stroke of luck. LOL.
Margarito
Yeah, my bad. But that would just fuck everything up, lol. No way he will win without cement hands tho. :P
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While Manny Pacquiao recently issued a "November" challenge to Floyd Mayweather Jr., Top Rank's CEO Bob Arum, who promotes Pacquiao, feels it's way too late to stage the welterweight mega-fight in November.
Pacquiao penned an article where he called for Mayweather to sign a contract to fight him in November. Arum doesn't see a chance of that happening, even if Mayweather were to sign an agreement in the near future. A fight on the level of Mayweather-Pacquiao needs at least six months to properly promote, says Arum.
Arum also denied the rumors which claim Mayweather signed a promotional agreement with Don King. Mayweather and King have been spending a lot of time together in the last two weeks. King is trying to establish a working relationship with Mayweather. At this point, Arum would rather deal with King than Golden Boy Promotions, who worked with Mayweather on his last four fights. Arum believes a Mayweather deal can reached very quickly if King is negotiating for Floyd.
"It's too late for the fall. So Pacquiao-Mayweather would be something in the spring. Floyd has not signed officially with King, but when he does, I'm sure that Don will talk to me and we'll work it out," said Arum. "My recommendation is that we do the fight in May, in which case, if Pacquiao is successful in November, that will give us six months to promote the fight."
Top Rank is moving forward with Pacquiao-Margarito in full force. Arum plans to meet with Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones on Wednesday to discuss the likely possibilty of staging Pacquiao-Margarito on November 13 at Dallas Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas. The vacant WBC 154-pound title would be on the line. Interested parties in Abu Dhabi made a strong pitch to stage the fight, but Arum says the deal won't happen.
"I'm going to the Dallas Cowboys' Stadium on Wednesday with the intention of making a deal, and I'm very optimistic," said Arum. "Jerry Jones, I consider a friend. I think that we're going to make a deal. Jerry Jones knows that North Texas has a huge Hispanic population, and, particularly, a large Mexican American population.
"So Margarito will be a tremendous draw, and, as you know, Pacquiao was already a tremendous draw. So if the fight happens in The Dallas Cowboys' Stadium, the attendance will exceed the previous fight with Joshua Clottey, who really had no following in North Texas."
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In a recent article published by PhilBoxing.com, Pacquiao reaffirmed that Margarito looks likely like his next fight, but he is still hoping for it to be against "Money" Mayweather.
Quoted on the Filipino website, Pacquiao stated: "For now, Antonio Margarito of Mexico is the likely replacement of Mayweather in November 13, but for me, there is nothing more beautiful (than) news if the Mayweather camp will change its mind."
Pacquiao went on to basically diss Mayweather as a "coward", and that if he wasn't a coward, he'd face him in the ring. Pacquiao stated: "A lot of things can happen within three months and if Mayweather is not really a coward, he needs to prove himself in the ring." Pacquiao added that if Mayweather wants to claim he is the best fighter on the planet, the only way to prove it is to go through him.
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Pacquiao and his camp really laid down the gauntlet for Floyd. lol They are clearly the ones who want the fight...and the continuous challenges by them have really damaged Floyds already shaky reputation. Pretty much the whole world is calling him a coward.
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So is it really still possible to Floyd to man up and take the fight, so they will cancel the Margarito fight? I know they would want more promo time than the Nov date that was (or is) gonna be Pacquiao and Margarito.. But it's still possible to cancel that fight?
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So is it really still possible to Floyd to man up and take the fight, so they will cancel the Margarito fight? I know they would want more promo time than the Nov date that was (or is) gonna be Pacquiao and Margarito.. But it's still possible to cancel that fight?
If Floyd accepted a fight for November...Margarito would be out on his ass lol. I think Arum would conveniently have him come up missing. But Floyd isnt gonna fight him regardless. And even if he grew the balls...he wouldnt fight him in November.
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So is it really still possible to Floyd to man up and take the fight, so they will cancel the Margarito fight? I know they would want more promo time than the Nov date that was (or is) gonna be Pacquiao and Margarito.. But it's still possible to cancel that fight?
If Floyd accepted a fight for November...Margarito would be out on his ass lol. I think Arum would conveniently have him come up missing. But Floyd isnt gonna fight him regardless. And even if he grew the balls...he wouldnt fight him in November.
Nah I know, they would want more promo time. Probably April we're looking at..
But I thought the Margarito fight was already signed? They would have to pay Margarito to walk away from that fight or what?
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So is it really still possible to Floyd to man up and take the fight, so they will cancel the Margarito fight? I know they would want more promo time than the Nov date that was (or is) gonna be Pacquiao and Margarito.. But it's still possible to cancel that fight?
If Floyd accepted a fight for November...Margarito would be out on his ass lol. I think Arum would conveniently have him come up missing. But Floyd isnt gonna fight him regardless. And even if he grew the balls...he wouldnt fight him in November.
Nah I know, they would want more promo time. Probably April we're looking at..
But I thought the Margarito fight was already signed? They would have to pay Margarito to walk away from that fight or what?
Yeah, Margarito is promoted by Arum...and its boxing. Margarito would suffer some sort of freak injury in training...and Floyd would take his place. Im sure they would want more time to promote which is why Arum had that deadline. So he could promote whoever Manny faught in Floyds place. But to be real...how much promoting does Manny vs Floyd really need? lol
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So is it really still possible to Floyd to man up and take the fight, so they will cancel the Margarito fight? I know they would want more promo time than the Nov date that was (or is) gonna be Pacquiao and Margarito.. But it's still possible to cancel that fight?
If Floyd accepted a fight for November...Margarito would be out on his ass lol. I think Arum would conveniently have him come up missing. But Floyd isnt gonna fight him regardless. And even if he grew the balls...he wouldnt fight him in November.
Nah I know, they would want more promo time. Probably April we're looking at..
But I thought the Margarito fight was already signed? They would have to pay Margarito to walk away from that fight or what?
Yeah, Margarito is promoted by Arum...and its boxing. Margarito would suffer some sort of freak injury in training...and Floyd would take his place. Im sure they would want more time to promote which is why Arum had that deadline. So he could promote whoever Manny faught in Floyds place. But to be real...how much promoting does Manny vs Floyd really need? lol
Oh okay, Arum would smooth Margarito over somehow, lol.
Yeah, they have had decent promo since the Marquez fight. But I guess they would want 6 months of promoting from the day they officially announce it still. I could see Early March or Late Feb actually. April is way too far away.
But of course Mayweather won't man up and we will have to wait until after Nov when the Margarito fight is finished to think about an official announcement... UGH.
Floyd is 33, he gotta realize Manny is a good 2 years younger, and if he wants to have a chance to beat Manny and retire having beaten the dude everyone said could smash him, he gotta fight sooner or later.
With all that's gone on in the press and boxing news, and with the small pool of fighters left for Floyd to tackle, I just don't see him fighting anyone else but Manny from here on in.
And he ain't dumb enough to retire right now, Manny is such a huge paycheck. And I still believe Floyd wants to prove something to himself and to boxing world by beating him. Not just a money factor...
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So is it really still possible to Floyd to man up and take the fight, so they will cancel the Margarito fight? I know they would want more promo time than the Nov date that was (or is) gonna be Pacquiao and Margarito.. But it's still possible to cancel that fight?
If Floyd accepted a fight for November...Margarito would be out on his ass lol. I think Arum would conveniently have him come up missing. But Floyd isnt gonna fight him regardless. And even if he grew the balls...he wouldnt fight him in November.
Nah I know, they would want more promo time. Probably April we're looking at..
But I thought the Margarito fight was already signed? They would have to pay Margarito to walk away from that fight or what?
Yeah, Margarito is promoted by Arum...and its boxing. Margarito would suffer some sort of freak injury in training...and Floyd would take his place. Im sure they would want more time to promote which is why Arum had that deadline. So he could promote whoever Manny faught in Floyds place. But to be real...how much promoting does Manny vs Floyd really need? lol
Oh okay, Arum would smooth Margarito over somehow, lol.
Yeah, they have had decent promo since the Marquez fight. But I guess they would want 6 months of promoting from the day they officially announce it still. I could see Early March or Late Feb actually. April is way too far away.
But of course Mayweather won't man up and we will have to wait until after Nov when the Margarito fight is finished to think about an official announcement... UGH.
Floyd is 33, he gotta realize Manny is a good 2 years younger, and if he wants to have a chance to beat Manny and retire having beaten the dude everyone said could smash him, he gotta fight sooner or later.
With all that's gone on in the press and boxing news, and with the small pool of fighters left for Floyd to tackle, I just don't see him fighting anyone else but Manny from here on in.
And he ain't dumb enough to retire right now, Manny is such a huge paycheck. And I still believe Floyd wants to prove something to himself and to boxing world by beating him. Not just a money factor...
Yeah maybe. Floyd just knows his marketability is ALL tied to his undefeated record. People pay to see him lose. Unless you are an educated boxing fan (which is the minority), Floyd is boring to watch. The minute he loses, I guarantee you he will see the biggest decrease in PPV buys for his fights that any fighter has ever seen lol.
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lol, that is true. He will still be number 2 if he loses, but you're right I would bet half of his PPV buys are from fans who just wanna see the L.
At least then, we would probably get the humble Floyd, now that he has no record to preserve and won't need to garner the hate to draw fans.
I would still only see 2 more fights tops in his career left. I don't think he will have another match before Manny. He doing some vacation shit and training dudes at his own gym, then he probably gonna the train fuck out of himself for months to get ready to Manny.. If he wins, he will retire, no doubt. If Manny beats him, that will set up a rematch, and win or lose I see Floyd calling it quits after that.
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lol, that is true. He will still be number 2 if he loses, but you're right I would bet half of his PPV buys are from fans who just wanna see the L.
At least then, we would probably get the humble Floyd, now that he has no record to preserve and won't need to garner the hate to draw fans.
I would still only see 2 more fights tops in his career left. I don't think he will have another match before Manny. He doing some vacation shit and training dudes at his own gym, then he probably gonna the train fuck out of himself for months to get ready to Manny.. If he wins, he will retire, no doubt. If Manny beats him, that will set up a rematch, and win or lose I see Floyd calling it quits after that.
He's not vacationing. Thats just his excuse. That muthafucka was "vacationing" out in Puerto Rico and secretly meeting with Miguel Cotto. Im sure we can imagine what the subject was...seein as how Miguel took a beating by Manny.
I agree, IF this fight ever happens....Floyd would probably retire if he wins. Im not so sure he would take a rematch if he loses tho. He might. But I wouldnt be surprised if he loses....a TON of excuses coming out of him and his camp. It would be a trainwreck.
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Lol, he trying to get some intel on Manny?
I read Cotto is scheduled to fight Julio Chavez's son in Dec. Is he any good?
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Lol, he trying to get some intel on Manny?
I read Cotto is scheduled to fight Julio Chavez's son in Dec. Is he any good?
Chavez Jr. is fuckin raw... too bad De La Hoya was scared of him when Chavez jr was calling him out
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http://www.boxscorenews.com/mayweathers-message-to-pacquiao-p881-68.htm
Mayweather's Message To Pacquiao
by John Martinez
Boxscore News - Texas
August 18, 2010
You ever get those calls on your phone where you don't recognize the number calling you so you let the phone ring until it goes to voice mail?
Usually this will suffice the caller's needs and they will proceed with leaving a voice message in your mail center and wait for your return contact. However, every now and again, the caller will be persistent and leaving a message will only go so far in their eyes. They need more.
Well three calls and one voice message (marked urgent on my cell phone) later, it was apparent that someone was itching to "reach out and touch someone,"me. The person with the itch was none other than Roger Mayweather.
Needless to say, I returned his calls.
"This fight has to happen; we want this fight," exclaimed Roger Mayweather. "The fight for my nephew is Manny. This is the fight that makes the most sense when talking about money making, but also, this fight has to happen cause it's important to the fans. The people want to see this fight and they should get what they want."
He continued, "I'm hearing people say my nephew's (multi-world champion Floyd Mayweather Jr.) scared of Manny Pacquiao. Floyd ain't scared of Manny. Lil' Floyd ain't scared of sh*t, why should he be," Mayweather continued, " let me ask this question, who's been knocked out twice?"
Roger is clearly talking about the two pound for pound combatants that were expected to do battle in the "biggest fight in boxing history" sometime this year-undefeated slick boxer Floyd Mayweather Jr. and the crowd pleasing heavy handed Manny Pacquiao. However, the dream fight that was, failed to materialize and since has become a nightmare for all involved.
From the network suits to the promoters all the way down to the sweet science fans themselves and everyone in between, the sentiment is mutual, we've all been robbed of witnessing greatness in the squared circle.
Many people are blaming Floyd Mayweather Jr. for this fight not taking place. Originally, the fight was proposed with stipulations from the Mayweather camp that Pacquiao submit to random blood tests prior to the fight.
Pacquiao scoffed at this request believing that taking blood from his body would hinder his ability to be at full strength for the fight. Because of this, the fight was nixed until talks allegedly resumed again over the summer. This time, Pacquiao stated he would be willing to partake in blood tests, but only if the tests were scheduled to cease fourteen days prior to the scheduled bout with Mayweather.
With that, Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum from Top Rank boxing, initialized a very public deadline for Mayweather to agree to these terms or forfeit the chance to dethrone the "People's Champion." The deadline came and went and no one has heard much from the Mayweather camp about this matter until now.
"The only reason this fight hasn't happened is because Manny won't agree to random blood tests throughout training camp," Roger said. "This motherf**ker says he agreed to tests, but he really didn't," Mayweather continues, "he wants to know when these tests are happening and he wants them to end at a certain time. How the f*ck is that random drug testing?"
He then asks, "if you got nothing to hide, then why be so concerned about when you gotta take a drug test? How you gonna leave over 100 million dollars on the table cause you don't want to take random drug tests leading up to the fight?"
"I know why? Cause you got something to hide," said Roger.
As for Manny, he has always claimed he has nothing to hide. Questioned as to why Floyd is adamant about cleaning up the sport of boxing via random blood tests. Why now? Why go 40 bouts into your career and suddenly demand your opponents submit to Olympic style testing?
Mayweather answered, "my nephew brought this testing up because going into the fight with Shane Mosley, Shane had a history of using substances. And now with Manny, we got our suspicions."
"Floyd ain't asking no one to do nothing that he isn't willing to do himself."
"You saw what happened when we got Shane in that ring; Floyd put an ass whooping on him and guess what, we got the same for Manny too," said Mayweather.
Roger continued, "we got something for this mother f**ker. He ain't doing nothing but living on borrowed time and he knows it."
"Manny can't fight. He ain't shit."
Mayweather then turned his ire to me, "I heard you thought it would take my nephew eight rounds to finish Pacquiao. You're crazy."
"You must be being kind, but blind," he added, " Floyd won't take eight rounds to finish Manny. How can you say it'll take eight rounds when this f*cking bum(Manny) swings wild, has no head movement or defense and ain't got no f*cking skills in the ring?"
Mayweather offers yet another question to his captive audience, "who the f*ck has two close fights with (Juan Manuel)Marquez?"
"Manny does. He's a f*cking bum living on borrowed time and we got something for ass."
"The year ain't over yet and there's still plenty of time to fight."
"I'm sure you'll see Floyd fight before the year's out," proclaimed Mayweather.
Aside from revealing his belief that Floyd will fight in the near future, he finished with a message to Manny Pacquiao.
"Come on mother f**cker, meet us."
In future piece, Roger and I discuss Cotto, catchweights, and the upcoming Antonio Margarito/Manny Pacquiao title fight.
John Martinez is a writer for both Boxscore News and FightChronicles.com.
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"I'm sure you'll see Floyd fight before the year's out," proclaimed Mayweather.
Not gonna happen, the Margarito fight is officially going down in Dallas. Too much promo has happened to cancel it. Manny wants to set that weight class title record too..
This is obviously just Mayweather's camp trying to play mind games with Manny. Which, if I had to judge, is working, lol.
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Yeah i dont think it will go down either. Mayweather is smart. MoneyBoy got too much to lose and he knows PacMan is on fire right now. Thats why hes ducking him. I think he will wait till PacMan catches a L so his mojo is fucked up.
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Its clear what the hold up is lol. If anyone is living on borrowed time its Floyd. Floyd KNOWS he can NOT lose. If he loses, he will not draw at all. Manny can lose a fight, and people will stay pay to see him fight. Look how much Mayweather draws attention to his undefeated record. He knows thats all he's got left to sell tickets. It makes his entire camp look ridiculous when they try to discrredit Manny so much as a fighter. Callin him a bum lol. I think this fight can go either way. Im pullin for Manny, but Mayweather can take it too. His camp is just backpedaling
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Well, to a lesser degree, I think Manny has to remain undefeated too. Yeah Manny has losses, but very early in his career, since then he has become an utlta boxer and has been undefeated.
If Margarito wins, it kinda fucks up the whole purpose of Manny vs Floyd for about 1/4 of the potential PPV buyers (my estimate, the most casual type of fans).
And for the record, I think Floyd will win. :P
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Well, to a lesser degree, I think Manny has to remain undefeated too. Yeah Manny has losses, but very early in his career, since then he has become an utlta boxer and has been undefeated.
If Margarito wins, it kinda fucks up the whole purpose of Manny vs Floyd for about 1/4 of the potential PPV buyers (my estimate, the most casual type of fans).
And for the record, I think Floyd will win. :P
I'm not a mayweather rick rider by any means but why won't manny fight jmm again?
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Well, to a lesser degree, I think Manny has to remain undefeated too. Yeah Manny has losses, but very early in his career, since then he has become an utlta boxer and has been undefeated.
If Margarito wins, it kinda fucks up the whole purpose of Manny vs Floyd for about 1/4 of the potential PPV buyers (my estimate, the most casual type of fans).
And for the record, I think Floyd will win. :P
Margarito cant see Pacman. Hes good but not a fear factor for Manny at all. I Think hell get knocked the fuck out 8)
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Well, to a lesser degree, I think Manny has to remain undefeated too. Yeah Manny has losses, but very early in his career, since then he has become an utlta boxer and has been undefeated.
If Margarito wins, it kinda fucks up the whole purpose of Manny vs Floyd for about 1/4 of the potential PPV buyers (my estimate, the most casual type of fans).
And for the record, I think Floyd will win. :P
I'm not a mayweather rick rider by any means but why won't manny fight jmm again?
Has Marquez been wanting a third fight? I Would think both of one of the fighters would rather fight new opponents before revisiting one for the third time.
Well, to a lesser degree, I think Manny has to remain undefeated too. Yeah Manny has losses, but very early in his career, since then he has become an utlta boxer and has been undefeated.
If Margarito wins, it kinda fucks up the whole purpose of Manny vs Floyd for about 1/4 of the potential PPV buyers (my estimate, the most casual type of fans).
And for the record, I think Floyd will win. :P
Margarito cant see Pacman. Hes good but not a fear factor for Manny at all. I Think hell get knocked the fuck out 8)
Yeah. He will probably get Mosley'd again.
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Well, to a lesser degree, I think Manny has to remain undefeated too. Yeah Manny has losses, but very early in his career, since then he has become an utlta boxer and has been undefeated.
If Margarito wins, it kinda fucks up the whole purpose of Manny vs Floyd for about 1/4 of the potential PPV buyers (my estimate, the most casual type of fans).
And for the record, I think Floyd will win. :P
I'm not a mayweather rick rider by any means but why won't manny fight jmm again?
Has Marquez been wanting a third fight? I Would think both of one of the fighters would rather fight new opponents before revisiting one for the third time.
Well, to a lesser degree, I think Manny has to remain undefeated too. Yeah Manny has losses, but very early in his career, since then he has become an utlta boxer and has been undefeated.
If Margarito wins, it kinda fucks up the whole purpose of Manny vs Floyd for about 1/4 of the potential PPV buyers (my estimate, the most casual type of fans).
And for the record, I think Floyd will win. :P
Margarito cant see Pacman. Hes good but not a fear factor for Manny at all. I Think hell get knocked the fuck out 8)
Yeah. He will probably get Mosley'd again.
After Manny beat JMM in that second fight he basically said that they wouldnt fight again. He wanted to move up in weight and fight David Diaz. His camp felt that they beat Marquez in the first fight anyways, and really probably should have if the one judge didnt score the first round incorrectly as 10-7 Manny instead of 10-6 like it was supposed to be. So for them, they beat Marquez twice. What would a trilogy prove? Its an exciting fight if they ever do it again. Styles make fights and those two really matchup well. I think with where Manny is right now, if they do it...Manny will win decisively. But you never know, could be close.
And what I meant by Pacquiao being able to lose is, Manny wont lose as much of his appeal with a loss...that Floyd would. People see Manny as a warrior and they like watching him in the ring. His appeal isnt tied to his record, its tied to his performance. Floyds appeal is very much tied to his record. A loss would kill any appeal he has...except by educated boxing fans, who dont make up that big of a percentage of the actual boxing viewers.
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But am I the only one that would rather see him fight jmm again or moseley rather? I think we can all agree that a fight with Margarito is pointless seeing as though Moseley already beat him down and I wouldn't really care to see him fight Cotto either. Why does it seem like options beyond top rank aren't being considered?
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But am I the only one that would rather see him fight jmm again or moseley rather? I think we can all agree that a fight with Margarito is pointless seeing as though Moseley already beat him down and I wouldn't really care to see him fight Cotto either. Why does it seem like options beyond top rank aren't being considered?
JMM would be a great fight I think. I think its the business side of boxing with that one. Bob Arum is looking at risk/reward. And what would Manny have to gain in that fight as opposed to lose? The first fight was a draw, but you could argue Manny won because of the mistake on the judges scorecard. The second fight was extremely close, but a Manny victory. Typically trilogies are necessary because each fighter wins one of the first two fights. That isnt the case here. Pacquiao/Mosley would be very good too. But two problems. There isnt a huge amount of appeal in that since Floyd JUST beat Shane. Not to mention, Arum would have to deal with Golden Boy again....which I guarantee he doesnt want to unless its a megafight.
Benefits to fighting Margarito. Pacquiao can win the vacant Junior Middleweight title giving him a title in 8 weight classes (record). Also, Margarito is a fighter that Mayweather had historically ducked so its somewhat of a slap in the face to Floyd. Last...both Manny and Margarito are Top Rank guys, Arum gets to make all the money lol.
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http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blog/_/name/rafael_dan/id/5478939/manny-pacquiao-juan-manuel-marquez-iii
lol...
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"a fight with this great man will be one of the biggest fights in history,unfortunately it will never happen" sugar ray leonard 5 to 6 years before he actually fought marvin hagler, funny how fans seem to not remember things like that hahaha yell
leonard was a bitch for makin hagler wait that long 2 .. and i thought hagler shoulda won yell
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Lol, he trying to get some intel on Manny?
I read Cotto is scheduled to fight Julio Chavez's son in Dec. Is he any good?
Chavez Jr. is fuckin raw... too bad De La Hoya was scared of him when Chavez jr was calling him out
lmao.. Chavez Jr is garbage..JCC is one of my fav boxers ever but his son is a joke livin off his dads name
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Lol, he trying to get some intel on Manny?
I read Cotto is scheduled to fight Julio Chavez's son in Dec. Is he any good?
Chavez Jr. is fuckin raw... too bad De La Hoya was scared of him when Chavez jr was calling him out
lmao.. Chavez Jr is garbage..JCC is one of my fav boxers ever but his son is a joke livin off his dads name
His dad was a joke too tho. I never liked that muthafucka. Boxing politics was in full effect with Chavez. His record was everything, just like with Mayweather. But he racked 80+ wins fighting nobody. My boy Meldrick Taylor got robbed. Boxing wanted to protect that perfect record.
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the call coulda went either way with the meldrik fight.. ref was screwed either way even tho i personally think he made the right call....
whitaker did get robbed tho that call was bullshit boxing politics
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the call coulda went either way with the meldrik fight.. ref was screwed either way even tho i personally think he made the right call....
whitaker did get robbed tho that call was bullshit boxing politics
The thing is, if the fight wouldnt have been stopped...Meldrick still would not have been KO'd (there was only like 5 seconds left in the fight), and he would have won on the score cards without a doubt. He took some shots in the later rounds. But he made the unbeaten Chavez look like a rookie in the ring for much of the fight.
As far as Sweet Pea...FUCK YES. Whitaker completely outclassed Chavez. That was ridiculous. I think Pernell got robbed against De La Hoya too. But with Chavez it was obvious. Remember this front cover after the fight?
(http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/pict/2505885828888080_1.jpg)
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meldrik looked much worse after the fight and went to the hospital so go figure... anyways im not gonna argue bout that fight ive been having debates baout that shit 2 long lol
and yea i remeber tha cover lol...don king is a piece of shit
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Mayweather going off on uStream, throwing shots at Manny: http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh297UU52QJ6Q4hp0s
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Mayweather going off on uStream, throwing shots at Manny: http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh297UU52QJ6Q4hp0s
lol, just some friendly banter...... come on Floyd, sign some papers and get the shit started already.