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in no order…, that requires way too much deliberation (making a 10 was hard enough). i left the last space open, there are still several albums i haven’t listened to and in general it’s hard to make the final cut. right now a tie between: broken bells, josh ritter and the hold steady, and ariel's pink haunted graffiti
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lmao roflcoptors wtf is this shit?
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although this is quite possibly the most boring top 10 list of the year, its pretty accurate in terms of pitchforks end of year list (ewwwwww) and its better than anyone who puts drake or eminem in their top 10 just because they only listened to 10 albums this year lmao.
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^ say what you want about pitchfork but they like hip hop a lot more than me, i'll bet if you look up some of your fav 2010 rap albums (i assume you are a rap fan) that you wont be let down with their ratings.... drake albums sucked dick, i still havent listened to the eminem, im just not that interested in current hip hop at all, if i want rap, i bump some classic shit.
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although this is quite possibly the most boring top 10 list of the year, its pretty accurate in terms of pitchforks end of year list (ewwwwww) and its better than anyone who puts drake or eminem in their top 10 just because they only listened to 10 albums this year lmao.
Nah, this will be Pitchfork's Top 5...bank on this
1. LCD Soundsystem
2. Beach House
3. Big Boi
4. Ariel Pink
5. Arcade Fire
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How is the Vampire Weekend album. Heard a few tracks that were okay. Is it worth listening to the entire album?
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How is the Vampire Weekend album. Heard a few tracks that were okay. Is it worth listening to the entire album?
Yeah for sure. It's better than their self titled debut album too.
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Mac Miller - K.I.D.S.
It's not an official album, but it bumps like one. 8)
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Mac Miller - K.I.D.S.
It's not an official album, but it bumps like one. 8)
But it's not an album right
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Mac Miller - K.I.D.S.
It's not an official album, but it bumps like one. 8)
But it's not an album right
It's a mixtape.
But sadly enough it hangs with the best Hip Hop albums this year, so far.
We got Joe Budden on the way. 8)
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although this is quite possibly the most boring top 10 list of the year, its pretty accurate in terms of pitchforks end of year list (ewwwwww) and its better than anyone who puts drake or eminem in their top 10 just because they only listened to 10 albums this year lmao.
Nah, this will be Pitchfork's Top 5...bank on this
1. LCD Soundsystem
2. Beach House
3. Big Boi
4. Ariel Pink
5. Arcade Fire
i think arcade will be higher,
beach house does nothing for me
is big boi album good???
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Regarding 2010 albums, Plastic Beach (Gorillaz) and One Life Stand (Hot Chip) were pretty tight.
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top 10 of '10
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1- E40- Revenue Retreivin: Day Shift 8/10
2- Big Boi- Sir Lucious Left Foot 8/10
3- Tha Dogg Pound- 100 Wayz 8/10
4- Eminem- Recovery 8/10
5- Devin the Dude- Suite 420 8/10
6- Too $hort- Still Blowin 7.5/10
7- Bone Thugs- Uni-5 7.5/10
8- Tha Dogg Pound- Keep on Ridin 7.5/10
9t- Kurupt- Street Lights 7/10
9t- E40- Revenue Retreivin: Night Shift 7/10
9t- Scarface- Dopeman Music mixtape 7/10
its 11 CDs but couldnt decide so its my top 11
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Add Murs - Fornever
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although this is quite possibly the most boring top 10 list of the year, its pretty accurate in terms of pitchforks end of year list (ewwwwww) and its better than anyone who puts drake or eminem in their top 10 just because they only listened to 10 albums this year lmao.
Nah, this will be Pitchfork's Top 5...bank on this
1. LCD Soundsystem
2. Beach House
3. Big Boi
4. Ariel Pink
5. Arcade Fire
i think arcade will be higher,
beach house does nothing for me
is big boi album good???
I like Beach House, but I think PF really likes them. I haven't heard Big Boi's album completely, I'm just guessing based on how they usually rank lol
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Add Murs - Fornever
Great album
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^ say what you want about pitchfork but they like hip hop a lot more than me, i'll bet if you look up some of your fav 2010 rap albums (i assume you are a rap fan) that you wont be let down with their ratings.... drake albums sucked dick, i still havent listened to the eminem, im just not that interested in current hip hop at all, if i want rap, i bump some classic shit.
no pitchfork dont "like hip-hop more than you", p4k isnt some all encompassing entity. they get reviewers to review some rap shit now to seem current and to allow theyre users to feel cultured and interested in anything other than the buzzband of the month.
let me prove it to you, they even reviewed a FAN MADE lil b mixtape because he has buzz right now and they wanted to seem current. its laughably bad
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oh yeah and for the people who like vampire weekend, since this is a rap forum maybe youll be interested to know that THEY ARE BASICALLY STEALING ALL THEIR IDEAS FROM AFRICAN MUSIC. but people like a white face in trendy clothes before they are prepared to listen to music with guitars so why would you know that anyway? :P the talking heads did it 20 years ago and no-one noticed.
here is a favourite african band of mine you might like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX21YIMBbPI
the whole vampire weekend shtick is to mix african guitars and rythms with indie rock. im not saying they suck because of that, im just stating a fact and people who like them might be interested to know: this is were it comes from, this is how it is done!
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Brotha Lynch Hung - Dinner & A Movie
E-40 - Revenue Retrievin': Day/Night Shift
Kurupt - Streetlights
Devin The Dude - Suite 420
Nas & Damian Marley - Distant Relatives
Big Boi - Sir Luscious Leftfoot
Curren$y - Pilot Talk
Bun B - Trill O.G.
Rick Ross - Teflon Don
Wiz Khalifa - Kush & OJ (mixtape but can hang with the albums)
a few honorable mentions:
8Ball & MJG - Ten Toes Down
Tha Dogg Pound - 100 Wayz
Freddie Gibbs - Str8 Killa
the album in my sig
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oh yeah and for the people who like vampire weekend, since this is a rap forum maybe youll be interested to know that THEY ARE BASICALLY STEALING ALL THEIR IDEAS FROM AFRICAN MUSIC. but people like a white face in trendy clothes before they are prepared to listen to music with guitars so why would you know that anyway? :P the talking heads did it 20 years ago and no-one noticed.
here is a favourite african band of mine you might like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX21YIMBbPI
the whole vampire weekend shtick is to mix african guitars and rythms with indie rock. im not saying they suck because of that, im just stating a fact and people who like them might be interested to know: this is were it comes from, this is how it is done!
Yeah, people know this lol
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brakelights 8)
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oh yeah and for the people who like vampire weekend, since this is a rap forum maybe youll be interested to know that THEY ARE BASICALLY STEALING ALL THEIR IDEAS FROM AFRICAN MUSIC. but people like a white face in trendy clothes before they are prepared to listen to music with guitars so why would you know that anyway? :P the talking heads did it 20 years ago and no-one noticed.
here is a favourite african band of mine you might like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX21YIMBbPI
the whole vampire weekend shtick is to mix african guitars and rythms with indie rock. im not saying they suck because of that, im just stating a fact and people who like them might be interested to know: this is were it comes from, this is how it is done!
Yeah, people know this lol
seriously, they are very paul simon - graceland inspired (who, yes, stole the african sound)... oh and the talkiing heads get a LOT of due props.
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oh yeah and for the people who like vampire weekend, since this is a rap forum maybe youll be interested to know that THEY ARE BASICALLY STEALING ALL THEIR IDEAS FROM AFRICAN MUSIC. but people like a white face in trendy clothes before they are prepared to listen to music with guitars so why would you know that anyway? :P the talking heads did it 20 years ago and no-one noticed.
here is a favourite african band of mine you might like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX21YIMBbPI
the whole vampire weekend shtick is to mix african guitars and rythms with indie rock. im not saying they suck because of that, im just stating a fact and people who like them might be interested to know: this is were it comes from, this is how it is done!
Yeah, people know this lol
seriously, they are very paul simon - graceland inspired (who, yes, stole the african sound)... oh and the talkiing heads get a LOT of due props.
nah i mean they stole african music and no-one noticed at the time. and javier, yes people know this, but do they care to even check out proper african music? no, they keep listening to shit indie bands lol
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oh yeah and for the people who like vampire weekend, since this is a rap forum maybe youll be interested to know that THEY ARE BASICALLY STEALING ALL THEIR IDEAS FROM AFRICAN MUSIC. but people like a white face in trendy clothes before they are prepared to listen to music with guitars so why would you know that anyway? :P the talking heads did it 20 years ago and no-one noticed.
here is a favourite african band of mine you might like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX21YIMBbPI
the whole vampire weekend shtick is to mix african guitars and rythms with indie rock. im not saying they suck because of that, im just stating a fact and people who like them might be interested to know: this is were it comes from, this is how it is done!
Yeah, people know this lol
seriously, they are very paul simon - graceland inspired (who, yes, stole the african sound)... oh and the talkiing heads get a LOT of due props.
nah i mean they stole african music and no-one noticed at the time. and javier, yes people know this, but do they care to even check out proper african music? no, they keep listening to shit indie bands lol
I don't like Vampire Weekend THAT much, but I do see where you're coming from. On the other hand, Vampire Weekend incorporates a lot of more sounds than just some of the calypso and other afro sounds. They definitely still have "westernized" style as well. First album is yes, heavily influenced but their recent LP has a lot of more genres blending.
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oh yeah and for the people who like vampire weekend, since this is a rap forum maybe youll be interested to know that THEY ARE BASICALLY STEALING ALL THEIR IDEAS FROM AFRICAN MUSIC. but people like a white face in trendy clothes before they are prepared to listen to music with guitars so why would you know that anyway? :P the talking heads did it 20 years ago and no-one noticed.
here is a favourite african band of mine you might like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX21YIMBbPI
the whole vampire weekend shtick is to mix african guitars and rythms with indie rock. im not saying they suck because of that, im just stating a fact and people who like them might be interested to know: this is were it comes from, this is how it is done!
Yeah, people know this lol
seriously, they are very paul simon - graceland inspired (who, yes, stole the african sound)... oh and the talkiing heads get a LOT of due props.
nah i mean they stole african music and no-one noticed at the time. and javier, yes people know this, but do they care to even check out proper african music? no, they keep listening to shit indie bands lol
I don't like Vampire Weekend THAT much, but I do see where you're coming from. On the other hand, Vampire Weekend incorporates a lot of more sounds than just some of the calypso and other afro sounds. They definitely still have "westernized" style as well. First album is yes, heavily influenced but their recent LP has a lot of more genres blending.
yeah we call them culture vultures, but whatever it takes to make white priveleged 20-somehtings feel cultured without moving outside their comfort zone is fine with me lol (yeah im being an asshole but not to your good self ;D)
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why it gotta be one way or the other, i like african music, i bang with some Babatunde Olatunji but i also like the v.w. indie sound. white people in the 60s stole off black blues, does that discredit all the music.. fuck, i still can't decide whether i like the rolling stones or the original jimmy reed version of honest i do... and fuck, some of the shit zeppelin did with blues classics, i like em more,
fuck all that culture vulture bullshit, i doubt many people listen to v.w. and go, wow i feel so african right now, i mean, do you really think that?
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fuck all that culture vulture bullshit, i doubt many people listen to v.w. and go, wow i feel so african right now, i mean, do you really think that?
Hell yeah I do lmao
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why it gotta be one way or the other, i like african music, i bang with some Babatunde Olatunji but i also like the v.w. indie sound. white people in the 60s stole off black blues, does that discredit all the music.. fuck, i still can't decide whether i like the rolling stones or the original jimmy reed version of honest i do... and fuck, some of the shit zeppelin did with blues classics, i like em more,
fuck all that culture vulture bullshit, i doubt many people listen to v.w. and go, wow i feel so african right now, i mean, do you really think that?
feeling cultured doesnt meen "i feel african", cmon you know that lets not play ;D. its almost like a badge. "hey have u heard this band, theyre really cool, yeah theyre 'african' influenced" which then leaves the typical indie fan feeling as if they have experienced 'culture' yet all they are doing is listening to indie rock. they have no desire to actually experience another culture unless it is neatly packaged and fits with what they already enjoy. im not saying this is you or anyone else here, but lets not pretend it doesnt happen like..... all the fucking time. people do this.
a random example but its definitely something happening currently, cee-lo is pandering to the indie crowd and now a lot of whitebread indie kids are like "wow cool im listening to a black dude" yet again they dont have to step outside their comfort zone because most of his new shit has boring indie backing. im not an indie hater, its just white 20-somethings are the most guilty of this shit and indie is the music/brand that represents them most closely
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why it gotta be one way or the other, i like african music, i bang with some Babatunde Olatunji but i also like the v.w. indie sound. white people in the 60s stole off black blues, does that discredit all the music.. fuck, i still can't decide whether i like the rolling stones or the original jimmy reed version of honest i do... and fuck, some of the shit zeppelin did with blues classics, i like em more,
fuck all that culture vulture bullshit, i doubt many people listen to v.w. and go, wow i feel so african right now, i mean, do you really think that?
feeling cultured doesnt meen "i feel african", cmon you know that lets not play ;D. its almost like a badge. "hey have u heard this band, theyre really cool, yeah theyre 'african' influenced" which then leaves the typical indie fan feeling as if they have experienced 'culture' yet all they are doing is listening to indie rock. they have no desire to actually experience another culture unless it is neatly packaged and fits with what they already enjoy. im not saying this is you or anyone else here, but lets not pretend it doesnt happen like..... all the fucking time. people do this.
a random example but its definitely something happening currently, cee-lo is pandering to the indie crowd and now a lot of whitebread indie kids are like "wow cool im listening to a black dude" yet again they dont have to step outside their comfort zone because most of his new shit has boring indie backing. im not an indie hater, its just white 20-somethings are the most guilty of this shit and indie is the music/brand that represents them most closely
I think most 20 something white males listen to rap more than "indie" rock.
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why it gotta be one way or the other, i like african music, i bang with some Babatunde Olatunji but i also like the v.w. indie sound. white people in the 60s stole off black blues, does that discredit all the music.. fuck, i still can't decide whether i like the rolling stones or the original jimmy reed version of honest i do... and fuck, some of the shit zeppelin did with blues classics, i like em more,
fuck all that culture vulture bullshit, i doubt many people listen to v.w. and go, wow i feel so african right now, i mean, do you really think that?
feeling cultured doesnt meen "i feel african", cmon you know that lets not play ;D. its almost like a badge. "hey have u heard this band, theyre really cool, yeah theyre 'african' influenced" which then leaves the typical indie fan feeling as if they have experienced 'culture' yet all they are doing is listening to indie rock. they have no desire to actually experience another culture unless it is neatly packaged and fits with what they already enjoy. im not saying this is you or anyone else here, but lets not pretend it doesnt happen like..... all the fucking time. people do this.
a random example but its definitely something happening currently, cee-lo is pandering to the indie crowd and now a lot of whitebread indie kids are like "wow cool im listening to a black dude" yet again they dont have to step outside their comfort zone because most of his new shit has boring indie backing. im not an indie hater, its just white 20-somethings are the most guilty of this shit and indie is the music/brand that represents them most closely
as long as you acknowledge that this is a certain sect of people (aka not me, and a bunch of others), and not all white people who listen to v.w. or cee-lo (im eh about him), than i really cant disagree with you.
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why it gotta be one way or the other, i like african music, i bang with some Babatunde Olatunji but i also like the v.w. indie sound. white people in the 60s stole off black blues, does that discredit all the music.. fuck, i still can't decide whether i like the rolling stones or the original jimmy reed version of honest i do... and fuck, some of the shit zeppelin did with blues classics, i like em more,
fuck all that culture vulture bullshit, i doubt many people listen to v.w. and go, wow i feel so african right now, i mean, do you really think that?
feeling cultured doesnt meen "i feel african", cmon you know that lets not play ;D. its almost like a badge. "hey have u heard this band, theyre really cool, yeah theyre 'african' influenced" which then leaves the typical indie fan feeling as if they have experienced 'culture' yet all they are doing is listening to indie rock. they have no desire to actually experience another culture unless it is neatly packaged and fits with what they already enjoy. im not saying this is you or anyone else here, but lets not pretend it doesnt happen like..... all the fucking time. people do this.
a random example but its definitely something happening currently, cee-lo is pandering to the indie crowd and now a lot of whitebread indie kids are like "wow cool im listening to a black dude" yet again they dont have to step outside their comfort zone because most of his new shit has boring indie backing. im not an indie hater, its just white 20-somethings are the most guilty of this shit and indie is the music/brand that represents them most closely
I think most 20 something white males listen to rap more than "indie" rock.
that is completely untrue, but since we are on a rap forum and i knew people might say that, i said indie is the music that represents them most closely (its made and consumed by white 20-somethings)
thanks for the great discussion guys! lists are boring anyway :)
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I hate the term "indie" rock. And I honestly don't know who you're thinking about beside Vampire Weekend but beside concerts, I don't meet anybody on my day to day encounters that is into these genres of rock. Maybe the majority of fans from the genre itself are white, but I feel that they probably listen to something else.
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I hate the term "indie" rock. And I honestly don't know who you're thinking about beside Vampire Weekend but beside concerts, I don't meet anybody on my day to day encounters that is into these genres of rock. Maybe the majority of fans from the genre itself are white, but I feel that they probably listen to something else.
you might not like it but its a legit term and its not derogatory in any way, i dont see your problem with it. most popular rock music of today is a form of indie, its not like its obscure anymore. indie is now the face of mainstream rock. unless you are using a different definition of indie than me, in which case take a look at what bands are popular right now (pitchfork.com lol)
i 100% believe what you are saying, but its very very strange that you dont meet anyone that is into indie , although im willing to guess its because of where you live or you only attend very scene-specific bars and clubs. although even in times were i was part of very insular scenes (for example, techno) i would still meet people who were into all kinds of shit.
edit: wow i just noticed you have the national in your sig? are you trolling me? the national... an indie rock band..... what am i missing here?
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It's vague.
If I tell somebody, "I listen to indie rock" I'm not really saying anything...therefore that term sucks and should be banned already. Then, you got actual mainstream movies using that term, "oh he's so indie".
The two bands mentioned in this thread alone, Vampire Weekend and The National, are part of the same genre? I don't see it.
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yeah you could argue its vague, but all genre names are in that case (apart from metal, no the nerds got every little sub genre worked out there). hip-hop is the genre for alllllll these different types of rap music we discuss here, but we can use other descriptors to tell different sounds apart, it doesnt make them a different genre.
both bands are indie, just because you dont like it doesnt make it untrue. look at the roots of indie and how it has progressed (it has a long history going back to the 80s). this isnt some buzzword made up by a magazine, its indie rock, its a real genre, its a big genre, and its wide-reaching in its definition. to be honest i find your problem with the name a little silly. yes they sound different and approach music differently, but they are the same genre. its no different than two rappers from two different regions with two different production sounds. i dont care for nationals music enough to describe how they are different from vampy, but im sure you can, and theres no reason to get all indignant about a well established genre name because you dont care for it.
i mean goddamn just look at this line from the wikipedia article on 'indie rock' "Other indie-oriented artists including LCD Soundsystem, Vampire Weekend, Interpol, Spoon, MGMT, and The National have also cracked the United States top 10 and enjoyed mainstream popularity"
i know you "hate the term indie rock" but that has no bearing on this argument. the whole calling something other than music indie is a whooooole different argument and one i dont want to get into, but dude, lets not try dispute it any further.
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The difference in hip hop is minimal compared to the differences in "indie rock". In that same "Wiki" article you mention, it talks about how "indie rock" is kind of an attitude basically. Saying that they make the music the want to make...that literally sounds exactly like the "punk" rock attitude, especially for bands that have started playing fast paced rock and turned into popular rock bands, which goes back to my point on why a label like "indie rock" is pointless because you can't pigeonhole a group of people into being "indie" the way mainstream movies do. I know what type of crowd the National gets and I know the type of crowd MGMT gets....you're in two completely different styles/vibe/whatever you want to call it. But I guess an outside will just say, "oh look at those indie kids".
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The difference in hip hop is minimal compared to the differences in "indie rock". In that same "Wiki" article you mention, it talks about how "indie rock" is kind of an attitude basically. Saying that they make the music the want to make...that literally sounds exactly like the "punk" rock attitude, especially for bands that have started playing fast paced rock and turned into popular rock bands, which goes back to my point on why a label like "indie rock" is pointless because you can't pigeonhole a group of people into being "indie" the way mainstream movies do. I know what type of crowd the National gets and I know the type of crowd MGMT gets....you're in two completely different styles/vibe/whatever you want to call it. But I guess an outside will just say, "oh look at those indie kids".
again you are talking about the word indie used in a different context, applied to groups of people rather than music. carry on thinking what you want but i wont be discussing this any further, its just dumb. go back and listen to the smiths and other classic 80s indie bands, follow the progression and see how indie has come to be in its many different shapes and forms while still remaining indie.
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i agree with screwface, i figure, any rock that's not top 40, is indie. i dont care that arcade fire are the first band to be on top of the charts and shit, they are still indie and wont be getting played beside maroon 5, or good charleotte, or whoever is on the pop/rock charts, i dont listen to the radio..... (maybe the term is flawed), but all terms are flawed, listening to shallow make a good case that hip hop is a genre of rock n roll, really makes me hate genres in general.
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The National - High Violet
Janelle Monáe - The ArchAndroid
Joanna Newsom - Have One on Me
Big Boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty
Beach House - Teen Dream
Arcade Fire - The Suburbs
The Tallest Man on Earth - The Wild Hunt
The Black Keys - Brothers
Flying Lotus - Cosmogramma
Blind Guardian - At the Edge of Time
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I completely understand, in its origins, indie rock is an actual genre, but out there with actual people that you talk to indie rock isn't just a genre anymore...it's a commercialized style. It's equivelnt to having spiky hair and black clothes and somebody saying, "oh this guy's a rocker". Nah, fuck that.
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are you unable to seperate culture from art? is this completely pointless? this has nothing do to with what you are talking about, we are discussing music as an art form and sound, not the fashion scene and people that surround it.
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did someone call you an indie kid and now you get all resentfull of the term indie? well tough luck mate cause indie rock is what its called and you cant fight it, no matter how much you hate PEOPLE being labelled as indie, it doesnt make the music NOT indie. music does not equal people. please stop discussing the people.
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Here are basically my points
- You can't describe music by a simple term. It's either lazy or ignorant
- if term grows and it becomes more of a scene, then something is wrong with the term itself.
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, listening to shallow make a good case that hip hop is a genre of rock n roll, really makes me hate genres in general.
Yeah, exactly.
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Here are basically my points
- You can't describe music by a simple term. It's either lazy or ignorant
- if term grows and it becomes more of a scene, then something is wrong with the term itself.
on your first point, go-on then! since the rest of the world is clearly lazy and ignorant can you please explain to me how you would describe a)the national b)vampy. what genre are they? and dont say genres are stupid that is the worst opinion ever, genres are a usefull way to classify music, they show both a link in sound, link in influences and MOST IMPORTANTLY a link in the artists approach to making music, that is what different artists in genres share above all.
and there is NO good case for saying hip-hop is rock n roll LMAO are you people fucking serious. the very fundamentals of both genres are entirely different. in my opinion it shows ignorance of musical knowledge in both how music is created and the history of its creation, its very important to look at how the music is created to understand how it is related to other artists and what makes them part of the same genre.
as for your second point i have no idea what that means, it seems like you are just pissed that the term indie has also become a descriptor for things such as fashion and people. i hate that too! i think its dumb as hell! but thats just idiots. its a completely seperate argument and has nothing i mean 0% to do with indie as a musical term. trust me, i hate it when people say "thats so indie" when they see a dude wearin a waistcoat or trillby hat.
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id just like to clarify, on your first point, that yes its lazy to just call a band indie, but of course you would then go-on to describe their sound. there is no one true indie sound, just like there is no one true RAP sound. we are united by the way we make music and divided by our own original spin that we put on that format!
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Here are basically my points
- You can't describe music by a simple term. It's either lazy or ignorant
- if term grows and it becomes more of a scene, then something is wrong with the term itself.
on your first point, go-on then! since the rest of the world is clearly lazy and ignorant can you please explain to me how you would describe a)the national b)vampy. what genre are they? and dont say genres are stupid that is the worst opinion ever, genres are a usefull way to classify music, they show both a link in sound, link in influences and MOST IMPORTANTLY a link in the artists approach to making music, that is what different artists in genres share above all.
and there is NO good case for saying hip-hop is rock n roll LMAO are you people fucking serious. the very fundamentals of both genres are entirely different. in my opinion it shows ignorance of musical knowledge in both how music is created and the history of its creation, its very important to look at how the music is created to understand how it is related to other artists and what makes them part of the same genre.
as for your second point i have no idea what that means, it seems like you are just pissed that the term indie has also become a descriptor for things such as fashion and people. i hate that too! i think its dumb as hell! but thats just idiots. its a completely seperate argument and has nothing i mean 0% to do with indie as a musical term. trust me, i hate it when people say "thats so indie" when they see a dude wearin a waistcoat or trillby hat.
If genres are a useful way to classify music, then Vampire Weekend and LCD Soundsystem shouldn't even be in the same genre . How can you listen to a song by LCD Soundsystem which sounds more like "electronic/dance" while Vampire Weekend sounds a lot more "worldbeat", "african rhytym influenced" and just say "this is INDIE ROCK", especially with LCD Soundsystem who rarely has songs that are guitar oriented? It doesn't fly, the only reason indie rock term became popular and easy to use is because it was for bands that were either on independent labels or were independent minded. Take a look at the Smiths, they're basically were the latter part of the post punk genre, and then came the "post punk revival" with Interpol, The Strokes etc., but conveniently all these guys just fit into INDIE ROCK because that's the mainstream term to use today, it doesn't describe a true sound. Back in the 80s-90s, it'd be college rock.
And to follow your example of rap, the equivalent is just rock. Since there is no Indie Rap out there, it's not a fair comparison. Only close thing is underground hip hop, and once an underground rapper makes it big...the label doesn't stay.
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The National are straight out a rock band, and you can take a random song and probably put it to a more specific genre but at the end of the day they're just a rock band.
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Here are basically my points
- You can't describe music by a simple term. It's either lazy or ignorant
- if term grows and it becomes more of a scene, then something is wrong with the term itself.
on your first point, go-on then! since the rest of the world is clearly lazy and ignorant can you please explain to me how you would describe a)the national b)vampy. what genre are they? and dont say genres are stupid that is the worst opinion ever, genres are a usefull way to classify music, they show both a link in sound, link in influences and MOST IMPORTANTLY a link in the artists approach to making music, that is what different artists in genres share above all.
and there is NO good case for saying hip-hop is rock n roll LMAO are you people fucking serious. the very fundamentals of both genres are entirely different. in my opinion it shows ignorance of musical knowledge in both how music is created and the history of its creation, its very important to look at how the music is created to understand how it is related to other artists and what makes them part of the same genre.
as for your second point i have no idea what that means, it seems like you are just pissed that the term indie has also become a descriptor for things such as fashion and people. i hate that too! i think its dumb as hell! but thats just idiots. its a completely seperate argument and has nothing i mean 0% to do with indie as a musical term. trust me, i hate it when people say "thats so indie" when they see a dude wearin a waistcoat or trillby hat.
If genres are a useful way to classify music, then Vampire Weekend and LCD Soundsystem shouldn't even be in the same genre . How can you listen to a song by LCD Soundsystem which sounds more like "electronic/dance" while Vampire Weekend sounds a lot more "worldbeat", "african rhytym influenced" and just say "this is INDIE ROCK", especially with LCD Soundsystem who rarely has songs that are guitar oriented? It doesn't fly, the only reason indie rock term became popular and easy to use is because it was for bands that were either on independent labels or were independent minded. Take a look at the Smiths, they're basically were the latter part of the post punk genre, and then came the "post punk revival" with Interpol, The Strokes etc., but conveniently all these guys just fit into INDIE ROCK because that's the mainstream term to use today, it doesn't describe a true sound. Back in the 80s-90s, it'd be college rock.
And to follow your example of rap, the equivalent is just rock. Since there is no Indie Rap out there, it's not a fair comparison. Only close thing is underground hip hop, and once an underground rapper makes it big...the label doesn't stay.
lcd are indie with a huge dance influence, they are certainly not strait up dance music. vampire weekend sounds nothing like worldbeat its not even up for debate, im a huge lover of both dance and afrobeat music and i think to even call vampy worldbeat is offensive. the roots of indie did AT THE TIME mean independent but that was over 20 years ago and it doesnt mean that anymore.
ah fuck it..... look im not going to sit and argue about genres with you all day, its pointless i see we are getting nowhere, you think what you want and ill think what i want. the only thing i will say to you is try and have this discussion on a non rap board that is more focused on 'rock' music (im sure we can at least agree on that genre) and you will see replies very similar to what i am saying. infact the OP of this thread who is clearly a huge lover of indie music (check his top 10 list) agrees with me. so dont take it from me, havent listened to rock music in years, but take it from someone who clearly knows and loves the music, the OP.
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The National are straight out a rock band, and you can take a random song and probably put it to a more specific genre but at the end of the day they're just a rock band.
ok ive had enough of this you are a complete fool im sorry.
http://www.posthocmanagement.com/bands/the_national/#top
THE OFFICIAL 'THE NATIONAL' BAND APPROVED BIO FROM THEIR WEBSITE:
and i quote:
"Boxer (2007), featuring songs like “Fake Empire”, “Mistaken For Strangers” and “Start A War,” sold over three times as many copies as its predecessor and saw them transformed from underground stars into an indie rock institution
indie.
rock.
goodnight folks
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Whoa whoa, what the fuck is up with the insults? Where the fuck did I ever diss you? I'm not a fool.
Like I said, if The National were in the 80s90s, they would be seen as a College Rock Band. If R.E.M. were out today, they would be seen as indie rock. This just goes to show you that these vague labels change
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and I didn't say Vampire Weekend were worldbeat.
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how many fucking threads do we need of this shit, and I swear there is an identical thread just above this
let's wait till the year is over anyway, still some big albums yet to drop (Detox LOL)
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I haven't heard one single album that was truly great this year. The best so far has been Nas & Damian Marley, but even that has a number of wack tracks. These days I listen a lot to "Happiness" by UK pop duo Hurts, which is very good, but truly great? Not really. I'm an Eminem fan, but I don't really rate Recovery. I'm definitely hoping that the second half of 2010 will be better than the first muscially.
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Like I said, if The National were in the 80s90s, they would be seen as a College Rock Band. If R.E.M. were out today, they would be seen as indie rock. This just goes to show you that these vague labels change
very good point.