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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Blood$ on September 21, 2010, 10:05:02 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NXBgSCSrIk&ob=av3e
does anybody else agree with me? and if not state your case and tell me what dropped before this that was wacker and set trends for even wacker music to drop
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If you think hip-hop is dead you don't know hip-hop.
Snap is just a sub genre within hip-hop, if sub-genre's emerge within a genre it means it's expanding, meaning it's more alive then ever.
You can also call it evolution and the Chimps didn't ruin the hominid family seeing how the humans are better then any species before it.
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If you think hip-hop is dead you don't know hip-hop.
Snap is just a sub genre within hip-hop, if sub-genre's emerge within a genre it means it's expanding, meaning it's more alive then ever.
You can also call it evolution and the Chimps didn't ruin the hominid family seeing how the humans are better then any species before it.
let me re-phrase what I meant in the title... this is what killed/made it hard for REAL rappers and artists who are "hip-hop" to be accepted in the mainstream
I do know my hip-hop son, a very wide range and variety, but this right here never was and never will be 8)
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If you think hip-hop is dead you don't know hip-hop.
Snap is just a sub genre within hip-hop, if sub-genre's emerge within a genre it means it's expanding, meaning it's more alive then ever.
You can also call it evolution and the Chimps didn't ruin the hominid family seeing how the humans are better then any species before it.
let me re-phrase what I meant in the title... this is what killed/made it hard for REAL rappers and artists who are "hip-hop" to be accepted in the mainstream
I do know my hip-hop son, a very wide range and variety, but this right here never was and never will be 8)
That's right it's not hip-hop it's snap music.
Which does however fall under the hip-hop umbrella.
I do admit I thought this was reggae or some shit the first time I heard it.
What do you mean accepted in the mainstream?
D4L had 1 hit, DFB & Unk got some shine but none of them really sold anything impressive for a mainstream act.
An artists doesn't sell a million of 1 hit.
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If you think hip-hop is dead you don't know hip-hop.
Snap is just a sub genre within hip-hop, if sub-genre's emerge within a genre it means it's expanding, meaning it's more alive then ever.
You can also call it evolution and the Chimps didn't ruin the hominid family seeing how the humans are better then any species before it.
let me re-phrase what I meant in the title... this is what killed/made it hard for REAL rappers and artists who are "hip-hop" to be accepted in the mainstream
I do know my hip-hop son, a very wide range and variety, but this right here never was and never will be 8)
That's right it's not hip-hop it's snap music.
Which does however fall under the hip-hop umbrella.
I do admit I thought this was reggae or some shit the first time I heard it.
What do you mean accepted in the mainstream?
D4L had 1 hit, DFB & Unk got some shine but none of them really sold anything impressive for a mainstream act.
An artists doesn't sell a million of 1 hit.
that's my point, after this song came out a stampede of other wack hits and artists soon followed, D4L and this song paved the way for those acts and if they never came out then I bet labels would have never invested in at least 75% of these other garbage rappers
DFB was around in 2004 though with "White Tee" which was a decent single IMO, and they had some pretty good production courtesy of Jermaine Dupri
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If you think hip-hop is dead you don't know hip-hop.
Snap is just a sub genre within hip-hop, if sub-genre's emerge within a genre it means it's expanding, meaning it's more alive then ever.
You can also call it evolution and the Chimps didn't ruin the hominid family seeing how the humans are better then any species before it.
let me re-phrase what I meant in the title... this is what killed/made it hard for REAL rappers and artists who are "hip-hop" to be accepted in the mainstream
I do know my hip-hop son, a very wide range and variety, but this right here never was and never will be 8)
That's right it's not hip-hop it's snap music.
Which does however fall under the hip-hop umbrella.
I do admit I thought this was reggae or some shit the first time I heard it.
What do you mean accepted in the mainstream?
D4L had 1 hit, DFB & Unk got some shine but none of them really sold anything impressive for a mainstream act.
An artists doesn't sell a million of 1 hit.
that's my point, after this song came out a stampede of other wack hits and artists soon followed, D4L and this song paved the way for those acts and if they never came out then I bet labels would have never invested in at least 75% of these other garbage rappers
DFB was around in 2004 though with "White Tee" which was a decent single IMO, and they had some pretty good production courtesy of Jermaine Dupri
I guess that started the snap movement yes.
But that stampede would've happened regardless.
Most of those sales came from the snap-music core fan base anyway.
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Hip Hop was already wack as shit by the time that song came out.
You gotta blame Puffy, Timbaland, Ja Rule, and a few others for getting the ball rolling, then labels, networks, and magazines.
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let me re-phrase what I meant in the title... this is what killed/made it hard for REAL rappers and artists who are "hip-hop" to be accepted in the mainstream
ummmm.....Kris Kross? MC Hammer? Vanilla Ice? Tag Team? Pop music is nothing new.
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snap music should be instrumental only.. cause who the fuck listens to the lyrics? just produce some cool beats and stop right there.
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You gotta blame Timbaland
...what? you gotta be kidding me. Timbaland went pop with his last album, Shock Value 1 a little bit but that had some major fucking hits on it. Go Timbo!
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IM curious to know what killed Rock n Roll??
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let me re-phrase what I meant in the title... this is what killed/made it hard for REAL rappers and artists who are "hip-hop" to be accepted in the mainstream
ummmm.....Kris Kross? MC Hammer? Vanilla Ice? Tag Team? Pop music is nothing new.
hey hey hey - lets not diss Tag Team they were dope lol
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Its not dead, no one or nothing killed it its called evolution.
Rock started out like one thing and now from rock and roll you have different genres of music like :
Metal, heavy metal, alternative, grundge, death metal, speed metal, punk rock, emo rock and so on...
Same with hip hop
we got westcoast hip hop, eastcoast, down south, crunk, more pop kinda stuff, rnb, snap etc..
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http://www.hotnewhiphop.com/en/play/s/9e697f7-79914/
free post!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFav9P54JUA
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diiL9bqvalo
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what happened to that dude fabo from d4l? he's pretty decent
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWa4UpajKTc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMHl0bdC0U0
worse songs ever on some best week ever shit easy
and this nigga stay holdin' Hip Hop from Maturing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zPsFi1r6Uw / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJAr3snB38A&feature=related 2:29 lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sENsPXZg2bw&feature=related i woulda used this nigga's cd booklet as a Kleenex.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWa4UpajKTc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMHl0bdC0U0
worse songs ever on some best week ever shit easy
and this nigga stay holdin' Hip Hop from Maturing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zPsFi1r6Uw / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJAr3snB38A&feature=related 2:29 lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sENsPXZg2bw&feature=related i woulda used this nigga's cd booklet as a Kleenex.
I don't get this post as what you wrote makes no sense whatsoever. You saying them 2 tracks and BDK are wack?
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Trends is killing hip hop. There was a time that you could make your own kind of music and there was a lane for that. But now everyone is starving and trying to make a quick buck that everyone is doing the same thing. It make the music stagnant and lacks change. 2010 is starting to make a change towards more originality and variety though.
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lmfao. I remember this piece of trash. I was thinking damn wtf is this garbage, but little did I know that more than half of Hip Hop would sound like this dull boring trash years later. Good point!!!!!!!!
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Once it was easy for a good portion of the album-buying audience to have whatever new records they wanted for free, it was pretty much a wrap. In some cases, it's less about supporting music you enjoy and more about keeping money from artists you don't personally like. If record companies could release a diverse selection of hip-hop albums every year and make strong profit with it, they would.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWa4UpajKTc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMHl0bdC0U0
worse songs ever on some best week ever shit easy
and this nigga stay holdin' Hip Hop from Maturing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zPsFi1r6Uw / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJAr3snB38A&feature=related 2:29 lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sENsPXZg2bw&feature=related i woulda used this nigga's cd booklet as a Kleenex.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYH7_GzP4Tg
after this song :'(
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There were SEVERAL things that lead to the decline of hip hop as a lot of people want it to be. "Blaming" one thing in particular for inevitable change is a waste of time.
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naa man, we killed hiphop. when we stopped buying quality music like Rakim, KRS , Warren or any other ones who are considered "old" to public, of course the labels aren't gon waste their money on something that cant profit themselves. we can't blame the labels cause that's business, you don't spend ur money on shit that wont get ur money back.
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naa man, we killed hiphop. when we stopped buying quality music like Rakim, KRS , Warren or any other ones who are considered "old" to public, of course the labels aren't gon waste their money on something that cant profit themselves. we can't blame the labels cause that's business, you don't spend ur money on shit that wont get ur money back.
I was gonna say somethin until you put that last part in there about the Labels investing money. And those artists you mentioned are your personal taste in music and your idea of quality, not everybody elses. Warren G had like 1 good album (and he didn't even Rap on all of tha 12 track album).
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Puff Daddy fucked it up...Mr Shiny Suit
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the people killing hip-hop are the fans who whine about a bygone era and done even bother searching for all the great rap music that is still being made today.
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Im pretty much cosignin wit Screw on this 1. Its like an insult to ur intelligence wen ppl say shit like that, like every single piece of music was Pure Gold from tha 90`s and everything now is just a half ass attempt at making music. I think we should all get together and care 4 our old and sickly ex hip hop stuck in tha pre 2000`s fans, they seriously need our help 2 guide them and coach them and help them grow all over again 4 sum reasin.
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Im pretty much cosignin wit Screw on this 1. Its like an insult to ur intelligence wen ppl say shit like that, like every single piece of music was Pure Gold from tha 90`s and everything now is just a half ass attempt at making music. I think we should all get together and care 4 our old and sickly ex hip hop stuck in tha pre 2000`s fans, they seriously need our help 2 guide them and coach them and help them grow all over again 4 sum reasin.
There are no people who fit this profile on here.
Unless you include the pac stans.
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Im pretty much cosignin wit Screw on this 1. Its like an insult to ur intelligence wen ppl say shit like that, like every single piece of music was Pure Gold from tha 90`s and everything now is just a half ass attempt at making music. I think we should all get together and care 4 our old and sickly ex hip hop stuck in tha pre 2000`s fans, they seriously need our help 2 guide them and coach them and help them grow all over again 4 sum reasin.
There are no people who fit this profile on here.
Unless you include the pac stans.
i'm surprised you havent seen em. There's Action, Midwestryder, ChamillAhScary Bitch, Enyce (and a few others on here alone), and a gang of other random ppl who pop up on the internet and constantly day by day compare the Old Skool 2 tha New. They might not be in as big of numbers as before but best believe these fuckers are still alive and kickin', it's just that alotta ppl ignore that shit becuz its not true. This thread is definitely one for sure *that's an insult to my intelligence too just saying that*. And i dont believe in there is such a thing as a Pac stan. I think SOME ppl are too quick to pass Pac off becuz Pac was from the Old Skool and everybody loved Pac. Out of all of tha 2Pac dedicated fans to ever hit tha internet I dont think Ive ever seen any1 be over obsessed and delusional about 2Pac. It's just some ppl arent as enthusiastic about Pac anymore and want everybody else to move on too.
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the people killing hip-hop are the fans who whine about a bygone era and done even bother searching for all the great rap music that is still being made today.
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Im pretty much cosignin wit Screw on this 1. Its like an insult to ur intelligence wen ppl say shit like that, like every single piece of music was Pure Gold from tha 90`s and everything now is just a half ass attempt at making music. I think we should all get together and care 4 our old and sickly ex hip hop stuck in tha pre 2000`s fans, they seriously need our help 2 guide them and coach them and help them grow all over again 4 sum reasin.
There are no people who fit this profile on here.
Unless you include the pac stans.
i'm surprised you havent seen em. There's Action, Midwestryder, ChamillAhScary Bitch, Enyce (and a few others on here alone), and a gang of other random ppl who pop up on the internet and constantly day by day compare the Old Skool 2 tha New. They might not be in as big of numbers as before but best believe these fuckers are still alive and kickin', it's just that alotta ppl ignore that shit becuz its not true. This thread is definitely one for sure *that's an insult to my intelligence too just saying that*. And i dont believe in there is such a thing as a Pac stan. I think SOME ppl are too quick to pass Pac off becuz Pac was from the Old Skool and everybody loved Pac. Out of all of tha 2Pac dedicated fans to ever hit tha internet I dont think Ive ever seen any1 be over obsessed and delusional about 2Pac. It's just some ppl arent as enthusiastic about Pac anymore and want everybody else to move on too.
Im pretty much cosignin wit Screw on this 1. Its like an insult to ur intelligence wen ppl say shit like that, like every single piece of music was Pure Gold from tha 90`s and everything now is just a half ass attempt at making music. I think we should all get together and care 4 our old and sickly ex hip hop stuck in tha pre 2000`s fans, they seriously need our help 2 guide them and coach them and help them grow all over again 4 sum reasin.
There are no people who fit this profile on here.
Unless you include the pac stans.
i'm surprised you havent seen em. There's Action, Midwestryder, ChamillAhScary Bitch, Enyce (and a few others on here alone), and a gang of other random ppl who pop up on the internet and constantly day by day compare the Old Skool 2 tha New. They might not be in as big of numbers as before but best believe these fuckers are still alive and kickin', it's just that alotta ppl ignore that shit becuz its not true. This thread is definitely one for sure *that's an insult to my intelligence too just saying that*. And i dont believe in there is such a thing as a Pac stan. I think SOME ppl are too quick to pass Pac off becuz Pac was from the Old Skool and everybody loved Pac. Out of all of tha 2Pac dedicated fans to ever hit tha internet I dont think Ive ever seen any1 be over obsessed and delusional about 2Pac. It's just some ppl arent as enthusiastic about Pac anymore and want everybody else to move on too.
midwestryder is a troll.
The others, not really.
You're probably over saturating your 'profile'.
The reason a lot of 90s artist get more respect is because well, 20 years has past and we still remember them.
There were plenty of lesser rappers back then but we forgot about them so they're not being discussed.
The better rappers of this era who will be remembered will be on the same level as the old school artist you refer to.
And you need to differentiate Hip-Hop from Trap, you can't possibly expect hip-hop fans to enjoy gucci the same way they do ill bill.
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Im pretty much cosignin wit Screw on this 1. Its like an insult to ur intelligence wen ppl say shit like that, like every single piece of music was Pure Gold from tha 90`s and everything now is just a half ass attempt at making music. I think we should all get together and care 4 our old and sickly ex hip hop stuck in tha pre 2000`s fans, they seriously need our help 2 guide them and coach them and help them grow all over again 4 sum reasin.
There are no people who fit this profile on here.
Unless you include the pac stans.
i'm surprised you havent seen em. There's Action, Midwestryder, ChamillAhScary Bitch, Enyce (and a few others on here alone), and a gang of other random ppl who pop up on the internet and constantly day by day compare the Old Skool 2 tha New. They might not be in as big of numbers as before but best believe these fuckers are still alive and kickin', it's just that alotta ppl ignore that shit becuz its not true. This thread is definitely one for sure *that's an insult to my intelligence too just saying that*. And i dont believe in there is such a thing as a Pac stan. I think SOME ppl are too quick to pass Pac off becuz Pac was from the Old Skool and everybody loved Pac. Out of all of tha 2Pac dedicated fans to ever hit tha internet I dont think Ive ever seen any1 be over obsessed and delusional about 2Pac. It's just some ppl arent as enthusiastic about Pac anymore and want everybody else to move on too.
Im pretty much cosignin wit Screw on this 1. Its like an insult to ur intelligence wen ppl say shit like that, like every single piece of music was Pure Gold from tha 90`s and everything now is just a half ass attempt at making music. I think we should all get together and care 4 our old and sickly ex hip hop stuck in tha pre 2000`s fans, they seriously need our help 2 guide them and coach them and help them grow all over again 4 sum reasin.
There are no people who fit this profile on here.
Unless you include the pac stans.
i'm surprised you havent seen em. There's Action, Midwestryder, ChamillAhScary Bitch, Enyce (and a few others on here alone), and a gang of other random ppl who pop up on the internet and constantly day by day compare the Old Skool 2 tha New. They might not be in as big of numbers as before but best believe these fuckers are still alive and kickin', it's just that alotta ppl ignore that shit becuz its not true. This thread is definitely one for sure *that's an insult to my intelligence too just saying that*. And i dont believe in there is such a thing as a Pac stan. I think SOME ppl are too quick to pass Pac off becuz Pac was from the Old Skool and everybody loved Pac. Out of all of tha 2Pac dedicated fans to ever hit tha internet I dont think Ive ever seen any1 be over obsessed and delusional about 2Pac. It's just some ppl arent as enthusiastic about Pac anymore and want everybody else to move on too.
midwestryder is a troll.
The others, not really.
You're probably over saturating your 'profile'.
The reason a lot of 90s artist get more respect is because well, 20 years has past and we still remember them.
There were plenty of lesser rappers back then but we forgot about them so they're not being discussed.
The better rappers of this era who will be remembered will be on the same level as the old school artist you refer to.
And you need to differentiate Hip-Hop from Trap, you can't possibly expect hip-hop fans to enjoy gucci the same way they do ill bill.
trap rap is still a part of hip-hop, lets not pretend otherwise. and of course they arent going to enjoy it in the same way, gucci is fun party music that bangs, ill bill is a lil more serious than that. it doesnt make one better then the other, its just different. i enjoy both, but i dont feel a need to differentiate it other than what mood im in. its all hip-hop at the end of the day and i love it
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The better rappers of this era who will be remembered will be on the same level as the old school artist you refer to.
WORD. How many of these new rappers actually stick around long enough to accomplish something? Why should we put them on a pedestal against proven vets of the game, when common sense says they will be irrelevant in a couple years?
Radiotube thinks we're stuck in the 90s, funny cause I probably listen to more current hip hop than he does. All he does is namedrop the same 5 mainstream rappers who most people consider wack. I remember a year ago he was riding for rappers who have since disappeared off the face of the earth.
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The better rappers of this era who will be remembered will be on the same level as the old school artist you refer to.
Radiotube thinks we're stuck in the 90s, funny cause I probably listen to more current hip hop than he does. All he does is namedrop the same 5 mainstream rappers who most people consider wack.
lmao, oh no u didnt
and yes i did, Lil' Glock & SOG will never die! and my profile is saturated with tha goodness, u should enjoy while u can get it fresh now!
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The better rappers of this era who will be remembered will be on the same level as the old school artist you refer to.
Radiotube thinks we're stuck in the 90s, funny cause I probably listen to more current hip hop than he does. All he does is namedrop the same 5 mainstream rappers who most people consider wack.
lmao, oh no u didnt
and yes i did, Lil' Glock & SOG will never die! and my profile is saturated with tha goodness, u should enjoy while u can get it fresh now!
Where's Webbie and Lil Boosie? Remember last year they were in your top 10?
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The better rappers of this era who will be remembered will be on the same level as the old school artist you refer to.
Radiotube thinks we're stuck in the 90s, funny cause I probably listen to more current hip hop than he does. All he does is namedrop the same 5 mainstream rappers who most people consider wack.
lmao, oh no u didnt
and yes i did, Lil' Glock & SOG will never die! and my profile is saturated with tha goodness, u should enjoy while u can get it fresh now!
Where's Webbie and Lil Boosie? Remember last year they were in your top 10?
And look on page 1, all of those snap artists have been completely forgotten already.
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Radiotube once said that Young Jeezy is on the same level as Nas' Illmatic, don't even bother talking to this guy; his Hip Hop pass has been revoked.
Radiotube thinks we're stuck in the 90s, funny cause I probably listen to more current hip hop than he does.
LOL, tell me not! The only reason he accuses us of "hatin' on tha new skool" is because a majority of people don't like the five guys who are his idols. I basically co-sign everybody in the game but Gucci, Jeezy, Ross, Soulja Boy & people of that caliber. But of course Radiotube has to act like those guys are Pac reincarnated & not liking them is a total "lame" thing to say.
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Radiotube once said that Young Jeezy is on the same level as Nas' Illmatic, don't even bother talking to this guy; his Hip Hop pass has been revoked.
Radiotube thinks we're stuck in the 90s, funny cause I probably listen to more current hip hop than he does.
LOL, tell me not! The only reason he accuses us of "hatin' on tha new skool" is because a majority of people don't like the five guys who are his idols. I basically co-sign everybody in the game but Gucci, Jeezy, Ross, Soulja Boy & people of that caliber. But of course Radiotube has to act like those guys are Pac reincarnated & not liking them is a total "lame" thing to say.
lol I remember when he said that Gucci Mane could make an album better than illmatic.
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The better rappers of this era who will be remembered will be on the same level as the old school artist you refer to.
Radiotube thinks we're stuck in the 90s, funny cause I probably listen to more current hip hop than he does. All he does is namedrop the same 5 mainstream rappers who most people consider wack.
lmao, oh no u didnt
and yes i did, Lil' Glock & SOG will never die! and my profile is saturated with tha goodness, u should enjoy while u can get it fresh now!
Where's Webbie and Lil Boosie? Remember last year they were in your top 10?
lil boosie fuckin rules and released a lot of quality music last year, hes actually in prison tied to some murder or something. so dont go actin like he fell off
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I remember when RadioTube said all of yall were on his nuts. Looks like he was right again.
What are you gonna tell me next Bart, that this isn't Basketball J Rock?
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I remember when RadioTube said all of yall were on his nuts. Looks like he was right again.
Funny...considering you name dropped me on page one of this thread before I even posted anything.
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Anyway, back to the topic on hand. I know most of you would say there has been tons of songs back at the start of Hip Hop that were like the ones we all bitch about today, but part of me believes the start of Hip Hop's mainstream "slide" was 50 Cent's "Candyshop".
Don't get me wrong, I actually got love for that song. But I don't know, was a big sellout-ish for 50 Cent at the time & it was strictly for woman. Then D4L came out with "Laffy Taffy" & it was basically an AWFUL spinoff of "Candyshop" with a bunch of candy references. Then the rest of the industry realized you can make some snap, dance song & sell millions & that's the route people started to take.
EDIT: Somebody said earlier in the thread that "people act like mainstream artists today make 'half-assed' music" & in a sense, they really are. They are going to do what sells to woman from the ages of 13-30 and kids from the age of 10-15 (and even older in some cases). Like "Crank That". Even if you say "C'monnn, that's a fun song at a club", sure, whatever; but it doesn't change the fact it's still some bullshit thrown that was thrown together in about thirty-two minutes.
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The better rappers of this era who will be remembered will be on the same level as the old school artist you refer to.
Radiotube thinks we're stuck in the 90s, funny cause I probably listen to more current hip hop than he does. All he does is namedrop the same 5 mainstream rappers who most people consider wack.
lmao, oh no u didnt
and yes i did, Lil' Glock & SOG will never die! and my profile is saturated with tha goodness, u should enjoy while u can get it fresh now!
Where's Webbie and Lil Boosie? Remember last year they were in your top 10?
lil boosie fuckin rules and released a lot of quality music last year, hes actually in prison tied to some murder or something. so dont go actin like he fell off
actually I'm not even sure if he was on to begin with. But safe to say whatever attention he had before is gone.
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actually I'm not even sure if he was on to begin with. But safe to say whatever attention he had before is gone.
And this when he is in trial for muder, that should be the best publicity ever.
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it seems a lot of people on this board will bend over backwards just to make things fit their agrument, sad really. ok so you dont like boosie but how is the murder trial going to act as publicity for him? he cant get out to record music, hes looking to do at least 7 years i heard, so there is nothing to have publicity for. of course his attention is gone, he cant make any more music! youre acting as if this validates you not liking him, as if the reason no-one is talking about him is cos hes whack, but its really cos there is no more music to hear from him so why talk about him.
i dont know what kinda shit radiotube has done since i havent been posting here as long as yall, but believe me youre acting like bigger assholes.
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free Boosie, that new album that just dropped had a few decent tracks on it
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^I'd say it's more along the lines that he's just wack lol.
that new album that just dropped had a few decent tracks on it
Fair enough. See that's what I want to hear. "Few decent tracks". If you like some of his music fine. Actually, if you like all of his music fine. But don't turn around & say somebody whose obviously suprior is wack lol.
Radiotube has said Jeezy & Gucci can make Illmatic type music & he said Premo wasn't that good of a producer & then co-signs Soulja Boy. This Screwface guy says Joe Budden "got lyrics", but nothing else. But CLEARLY Joe & hundreds of other rappers are better than Lil' Boosie in every aspect of rapping besides sounding like somebody shoved something up his ass.
Seriously, Screw. What ON EARTH does Lil' Boosie do that makes him good?
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yeah don't get me wrong, I always did like Boosie since way back when he was on Smack DVD's just cuz his voice was very charismatic and his albums usually will have a handful of nice tracks to bump but overall I'm not listening to him for any thought provoking lyrics or hard spitting but he does have a good flow
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yeah don't get me wrong, I always did like Boosie since way back when he was on Smack DVD's just cuz his voice was very charismatic and his albums usually will have a handful of nice tracks to bump but overall I'm not listening to him for any thought provoking lyrics or hard spitting but he does have a good flow
I bumped the song "Mind of a Maniac". It wasn't that bad.
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it seems a lot of people on this board will bend over backwards just to make things fit their agrument, sad really. ok so you dont like boosie but how is the murder trial going to act as publicity for him? he cant get out to record music, hes looking to do at least 7 years i heard, so there is nothing to have publicity for. of course his attention is gone, he cant make any more music! youre acting as if this validates you not liking him, as if the reason no-one is talking about him is cos hes whack, but its really cos there is no more music to hear from him so why talk about him.
i dont know what kinda shit radiotube has done since i havent been posting here as long as yall, but believe me youre acting like bigger assholes.
No one is talking about him because he's one of those rappers that has one or two singles and then is gone. He's not a major player. As far as no more music, he just dropped an album a couple days ago that no one cares about. You're the one in denial if you think he hasn't fallen off.
The original point was that rappers who have only been out for a few years and haven't accomplished anything aside from one or two singles (boosie and webbie being prime examples) should not be put anywhere near rap veterans with established careers. Why even go there? What's funny about you being in denial is that most of us can tell that their careers will be very short. Ringtone rappers are very easy to pick out.
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I was gonna say somethin until you put that last part in there about the Labels investing money. And those artists you mentioned are your personal taste in music and your idea of quality, not everybody elses. Warren G had like 1 good album (and he didn't even Rap on all of tha 12 track album).
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Why even go there? What's funny about you being in denial is that most of us can tell that their careers will be very short. Ringtone rappers are very easy to pick out.
Radiotube has said Jeezy & Gucci can make Illmatic type music & he said Premo wasn't that good of a producer & then co-signs Soulja Boy. This Screwface guy says Joe Budden "got lyrics", but nothing else. But CLEARLY Joe & hundreds of other rappers are better than Lil' Boosie in every aspect of rapping besides sounding like somebody shoved something up his ass.
you know im gonna start calling this superiority bullshit nu-backpackin, cause youre no better than backpackers hating on gangster rap.. whiny bitches blabbin on about shit being better just because you think it means something. its called an opinion. get over yourselves. ringtone rap? lol yeah dont talk about shit you havent even listened to, and if you dont like it fine, dont get feelin all superior. this is like the backpacker clowns who call stuff they like HIP-HOP and stuff they hate (that ignorant gansta shit) RAP, except now its RINGTONE RAP.
and lol at cham on joes dick 24/7. u get a lil tingle everytime u type his name dontcha. oh hey a post about rap music i better mention joe budden
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^Typical dodge of a point. Going personal, opposed to actually debating it.
L.
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it seems a lot of people on this board will bend over backwards just to make things fit their agrument, sad really. ok so you dont like boosie but how is the murder trial going to act as publicity for him? he cant get out to record music, hes looking to do at least 7 years i heard, so there is nothing to have publicity for. of course his attention is gone, he cant make any more music! youre acting as if this validates you not liking him, as if the reason no-one is talking about him is cos hes whack, but its really cos there is no more music to hear from him so why talk about him.
i dont know what kinda shit radiotube has done since i havent been posting here as long as yall, but believe me youre acting like bigger assholes.
I like boosie.
I don't base the publicity on the traditional media but the modern ones, message boards like this one & blogs.
We're not talking about what hit song will be remembered in the next 10 years but which rappers will be remembered alongside the legends in the next 10 years.
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http://www.youtube.com/v/LJu0LQ0Bxd4?fs
when little kids had the opportunity to make their own music
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We're not talking about what hit song will be remembered in the next 10 years but which rappers will be remembered alongside the legends in the next 10 years.
i wasnt talking about that, but i agree completely. i could care less if rappers i enjoy will be looked at as legends, i just love the music. im not saying he will be remembered as a legend, im just sayin its dumb for people to say hes whack and a "ringtone rapper". oh and cham i have no desire to debate with you you are a #1 joe budden stan who will bring him into any conversation for no reason. why would i want to debate any serious point with you?
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^For no reason? You went into depth with everything that's wrong with Budden in another thread. "Oh his flow is this, his delivery is that", but for Boosie all of that "flow, delivery, style, lyrics" is thrown out of the window & it's "personal taste", nigga please.
You're just a hypocrite lol.
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We're not talking about what hit song will be remembered in the next 10 years but which rappers will be remembered alongside the legends in the next 10 years.
i wasnt talking about that, but i agree completely. i could care less if rappers i enjoy will be looked at as legends, i just love the music. im not saying he will be remembered as a legend, im just sayin its dumb for people to say hes whack and a "ringtone rapper". oh and cham i have no desire to debate with you you are a #1 joe budden stan who will bring him into any conversation for no reason. why would i want to debate any serious point with you?
ringtone rapper - a rapper who is hot for a year or two because of one or two hot singles and then falls off
Lmao at you trying to deny that's what they are
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failed..
Boosie's got a very, very big following.. far from ringtone..
educate yourself more...
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failed..
Boosie's got a very, very big following.. far from ringtone..
educate yourself more...
lmao. end yourself
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:D
the day my life ends and im ended, will be on the same day you decide to start educating yourself, Mr. "music-is-lyrics"/"LL cool J is bigger than Snoop"..
in other words, it will not happen anytime soon
;)
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I was gonna say somethin until you put that last part in there about the Labels investing money. And those artists you mentioned are your personal taste in music and your idea of quality, not everybody elses. Warren G had like 1 good album (and he didn't even Rap on all of tha 12 track album).
And "I Want It All"
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^For no reason? You went into depth with everything that's wrong with Budden in another thread. "Oh his flow is this, his delivery is that", but for Boosie all of that "flow, delivery, style, lyrics" is thrown out of the window & it's "personal taste", nigga please.
You're just a hypocrite lol.
yeah so youre a crybaby whos all butthurt about what i said about daddy joe in another thread? boo hoo. obviously i think boosie has great flow and style or i wouldnt enjoy listening to him, why would i need to actually go into detail on this? thats not hypocritical its just me not stating the obvious. im not interested in listening to u argue how joe budden is better than [instert rapper here] that u do in every damn thread.
failed..
Boosie's got a very, very big following.. far from ringtone..
educate yourself more...
yeah massive L on this one. but people will hate about shit they dont know just cos they can
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^LOL, "every thread". I've only done it to you twice to show how stupid you sound when you signed off Joe Budden for reasons "X, Y & Z" & then turn around and support/co-sign somebody else whose even worse.
It's not "being a crybaby", it's looking for an answer & you clearly don't have one, so you run to your little "oh you're a crybaby, get over it" argument.
It's cool, brah.
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^LOL, "every thread". I've only done it to you twice to show how stupid you sound when you signed off Joe Budden for reasons "X, Y & Z" & then turn around and support/co-sign somebody else whose even worse.
It's not "being a crybaby", it's looking for an answer & you clearly don't have one, so you run to your little "oh you're a crybaby, get over it" argument.
It's cool, brah.
ok so since i actually have reasons for disliking joe budden other than hes whack im stupid? next time i wont even put in the effort. "whose even worse"??? what does this even mean? i cant co-sign rappers u dont like. ok got it champ
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^LOL, "every thread". I've only done it to you twice to show how stupid you sound when you signed off Joe Budden for reasons "X, Y & Z" & then turn around and support/co-sign somebody else whose even worse.
It's not "being a crybaby", it's looking for an answer & you clearly don't have one, so you run to your little "oh you're a crybaby, get over it" argument.
It's cool, brah.
ok so since i actually have reasons for disliking joe budden other than hes whack im stupid? next time i wont even put in the effort. "whose even worse"??? what does this even mean? i cant co-sign rappers u dont like. ok got it champ
LOL, but your reasons for disliking him are even put into more effect for a guy like Lil' Boosie, what aren't you understanding? Or are you just electing to not understand it?
"Joe Budden doesn't have this, this or that"; but don't you see that Lil' Booise REALLLLLY doesn't have "this, this or that". There is no aspect of his game that comes close to Joe & likely any other rapper you dislike.
You come across as that "I rep daaa Souf homie" & other, elitest type Hip Hop is inferior.
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the day my life ends and im ended, will be on the same day you decide to start educating yourself, Mr. "music-is-lyrics"/"LL cool J is bigger than Snoop"..
in other words, it will not happen anytime soon
;)
Just by seeing your username I know I'm more educated than you are. Who's the one making up statistics? :D
No where did I say LL Cool J was a bigger superstar than Snoop. I said his career has had more longevity, which was what you were defining success by. It isn't in your best interest to bring up previous discussions, seeing as how you got ethered in your own thread so bad you didn't go back :D
And what's this "music is lyrics" thing?
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There is no aspect of his game that comes close to Joe & likely any other rapper you dislike.
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There is no aspect of his game that comes close to Joe & likely any other rapper you dislike.
4get it son, they're just tryna eat away at u. we all know what u meant, they just tryna go hard on u.
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There is no aspect of his game that comes close to Joe & likely any other rapper you dislike.
Exactly. You have no response, you know it's true. Move on.
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There is no aspect of his game that comes close to Joe & likely any other rapper you dislike.
4get it son, they're just tryna eat away at u. we all know what u meant, they just tryna go hard on u.
"dam son. u b on ma dick in evry single thread. followin me around here & there. im just exposin u here tho. we all see tha truth. bein mad emo n shyt". :laugh:
Get a life, brahhhhhh.
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Going to jail or 7 years will hinder your career. True story.
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Going to jail or 7 years will hinder your career. True story.
probably gonna hinder his masculinity as well.. after 7 years when he come out he'll be rockin that gucci purse for real.
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probably will be in fashion around that time.. :-X
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Im pretty much cosignin wit Screw on this 1. Its like an insult to ur intelligence wen ppl say shit like that, like every single piece of music was Pure Gold from tha 90`s and everything now is just a half ass attempt at making music. I think we should all get together and care 4 our old and sickly ex hip hop stuck in tha pre 2000`s fans, they seriously need our help 2 guide them and coach them and help them grow all over again 4 sum reasin.
There are no people who fit this profile on here.
Unless you include the pac stans.
i'm surprised you havent seen em. There's Action, Midwestryder, ChamillAhScary Bitch, Enyce (and a few others on here alone), and a gang of other random ppl who pop up on the internet and constantly day by day compare the Old Skool 2 tha New. They might not be in as big of numbers as before but best believe these fuckers are still alive and kickin', it's just that alotta ppl ignore that shit becuz its not true. This thread is definitely one for sure *that's an insult to my intelligence too just saying that*. And i dont believe in there is such a thing as a Pac stan. I think SOME ppl are too quick to pass Pac off becuz Pac was from the Old Skool and everybody loved Pac. Out of all of tha 2Pac dedicated fans to ever hit tha internet I dont think Ive ever seen any1 be over obsessed and delusional about 2Pac. It's just some ppl arent as enthusiastic about Pac anymore and want everybody else to move on too.
Im pretty much cosignin wit Screw on this 1. Its like an insult to ur intelligence wen ppl say shit like that, like every single piece of music was Pure Gold from tha 90`s and everything now is just a half ass attempt at making music. I think we should all get together and care 4 our old and sickly ex hip hop stuck in tha pre 2000`s fans, they seriously need our help 2 guide them and coach them and help them grow all over again 4 sum reasin.
There are no people who fit this profile on here.
Unless you include the pac stans.
i'm surprised you havent seen em. There's Action, Midwestryder, ChamillAhScary Bitch, Enyce (and a few others on here alone), and a gang of other random ppl who pop up on the internet and constantly day by day compare the Old Skool 2 tha New. They might not be in as big of numbers as before but best believe these fuckers are still alive and kickin', it's just that alotta ppl ignore that shit becuz its not true. This thread is definitely one for sure *that's an insult to my intelligence too just saying that*. And i dont believe in there is such a thing as a Pac stan. I think SOME ppl are too quick to pass Pac off becuz Pac was from the Old Skool and everybody loved Pac. Out of all of tha 2Pac dedicated fans to ever hit tha internet I dont think Ive ever seen any1 be over obsessed and delusional about 2Pac. It's just some ppl arent as enthusiastic about Pac anymore and want everybody else to move on too.
midwestryder is a troll.
The others, not really.
You're probably over saturating your 'profile'.
The reason a lot of 90s artist get more respect is because well, 20 years has past and we still remember them.
There were plenty of lesser rappers back then but we forgot about them so they're not being discussed.
The better rappers of this era who will be remembered will be on the same level as the old school artist you refer to.
And you need to differentiate Hip-Hop from Trap, you can't possibly expect hip-hop fans to enjoy gucci the same way they do ill bill.
bitch i am not troll like you. i am fucking truth that ignorant people like you can't understand . i am the ultimate hip hop expert & you never be on my lable . my pet peeve is ignorance like yours . i know Ill Bil l& he agrees with eveything i say .
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Im pretty much cosignin wit Screw on this 1. Its like an insult to ur intelligence wen ppl say shit like that, like every single piece of music was Pure Gold from tha 90`s and everything now is just a half ass attempt at making music. I think we should all get together and care 4 our old and sickly ex hip hop stuck in tha pre 2000`s fans, they seriously need our help 2 guide them and coach them and help them grow all over again 4 sum reasin.
There are no people who fit this profile on here.
Unless you include the pac stans.
i'm surprised you havent seen em. There's Action, Midwestryder, ChamillAhScary Bitch, Enyce (and a few others on here alone), and a gang of other random ppl who pop up on the internet and constantly day by day compare the Old Skool 2 tha New. They might not be in as big of numbers as before but best believe these fuckers are still alive and kickin', it's just that alotta ppl ignore that shit becuz its not true. This thread is definitely one for sure *that's an insult to my intelligence too just saying that*. And i dont believe in there is such a thing as a Pac stan. I think SOME ppl are too quick to pass Pac off becuz Pac was from the Old Skool and everybody loved Pac. Out of all of tha 2Pac dedicated fans to ever hit tha internet I dont think Ive ever seen any1 be over obsessed and delusional about 2Pac. It's just some ppl arent as enthusiastic about Pac anymore and want everybody else to move on too.
we compare the old school to new school because the old school set the stand for excellence aka mean quality . . but you new school idiots act like your music is incredible when it is suppare. . see you new schoolers act like you make better music then old school & that what old school did , does not matter all. that is diss to us automaticly .we are not the ones stuck in 90's or any era at all. see you are the one being ignorant & closeminded.you are stuck in your era & can't get over.so you are the one stuck not us i listen to new school dumbass . i listen to big K.r.i.t., slaughterhouse, nipsey hussle,yelawolf, wiz khalifa, pill,& smoke dza . but still the music is not even close to being as good as what was made by old school .i go looking for new artist & to find quality new school music. but it is still not up to quality of what i grew up on at all & that is a fact . you just don't like hearing that every generation after mines is getting dumber & wacker everyday. see everything old school in life is better. cars, tv,movies,music ,books , & people were all better made in the old school . in your era eveything is cheeply made & garabage .
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Or like when some of the whack ass mainstream club songs of 90's rap are now considered to be real Hip-Hop classics... Give me a break. People don't understand generations...
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Hey midwestryder, how doez it feel 2 be one of tha very few Regan Republicans of Rap? Cmon son honestly tho, u cant really be that mad.
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Hey midwestryder, how doez it feel 2 be one of tha very few Regan Republicans of Rap? Cmon son honestly tho, u cant really be that mad.
i am not your son ,fag. . yes i am sick of the new generations ignorance & closemindedness.
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Or like when some of the whack ass mainstream club songs of 90's rap are now considered to be real Hip-Hop classics... Give me a break. People don't understand generations...
that whack ass mainstream club songs of 90's rap are still better then 90% of today's music all together. what songs are you talking about .
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sorry if somebody have posted this before but.....
what are you guys talking about? Rap music ain't dead. It's just went back to its right place. The underground. TV and Radio has never been a good place for the rap music. Mainstream ruined the message in rap music... but only for a while and not everywhere (underground have always been the shit). Good old days are back. Just turn off the radio and stick your ears to the underground.
end of story
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Hey midwestryder, how doez it feel 2 be one of tha very few Regan Republicans of Rap? Cmon son honestly tho, u cant really be that mad.
i am not your son ,fag. . yes i am sick of the new generations ignorance & closemindedness.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_viWbhRtuOio/Sf2-6PoGEuI/AAAAAAAABOo/8Cpal4pjwcY/s400/Irony.jpg)
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Hey midwestryder, how doez it feel 2 be one of tha very few Regan Republicans of Rap? Cmon son honestly tho, u cant really be that mad.
i am not your son ,fag. . yes i am sick of the new generations ignorance & closemindedness.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_viWbhRtuOio/Sf2-6PoGEuI/AAAAAAAABOo/8Cpal4pjwcY/s400/Irony.jpg)
there is no irony at all because i am open to new school. the new school is the one who is closeminded & ignorant because they first to diss the old school & act like the new school is better.when that is load bullcrap. sorry but there was more creative & more real musc in the old school then there will be today. also every old school is better made & the is a fact . old school cars .old school tv, old school washer & dryiers ,old school movies,books& . old school built homes are better then any of the new school versions . every thing i said is fact
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Hey midwestryder, how doez it feel 2 be one of tha very few Regan Republicans of Rap? Cmon son honestly tho, u cant really be that mad.
i am not your son ,fag. . yes i am sick of the new generations ignorance & closemindedness.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_viWbhRtuOio/Sf2-6PoGEuI/AAAAAAAABOo/8Cpal4pjwcY/s400/Irony.jpg)
there is no irony at all because i am open to new school. the new school is the one who is closeminded & ignorant because they first to diss the old school & act like the new school is better.when that is load bullcrap. sorry but there was more creative & more real musc in the old school then there will be today. also every old school is better made & the is a fact . old school cars .old school tv, old school washer & dryiers ,old school movies,books& . old school built homes are better then any of the new school versions . every thing i said is fact
Props to u 4 still tryna hold tha torch. ur a vietnam hip hop veteran. now go cry and suck a dick and stop whinnin' witcha' bitchass!
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Hey midwestryder, how doez it feel 2 be one of tha very few Regan Republicans of Rap? Cmon son honestly tho, u cant really be that mad.
i am not your son ,fag. . yes i am sick of the new generations ignorance & closemindedness.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_viWbhRtuOio/Sf2-6PoGEuI/AAAAAAAABOo/8Cpal4pjwcY/s400/Irony.jpg)
there is no irony at all because i am open to new school. the new school is the one who is closeminded & ignorant because they first to diss the old school & act like the new school is better.when that is load bullcrap. sorry but there was more creative & more real musc in the old school then there will be today. also every old school is better made & the is a fact . old school cars .old school tv, old school washer & dryiers ,old school movies,books& . old school built homes are better then any of the new school versions . every thing i said is fact
Props to u 4 still tryna hold tha torch. ur a vietnam hip hop veteran. now go cry and suck a dick and stop whinnin' witcha' bitchass!
i don't cry like bitch ass marks like you & the rest of pussy ass new school . the only whiining bitchass is you & the punk ass new school . you are a bunch of weak ass pussies who could not handle one old schooler by their self . see real men were from the old school . you just handle the truth the old school is better then evey way then you & the new school because everything new school is cheeply made & bitch made. everything i said is fact .everything you said is pussy bitch made weak ass opinion .
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Midwestplayerhater, that's ur new name
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that bling bling shit killed hip hop...
rap used to be the articulator for the people in the hood to speak some real shit and actually point out the problems. but it turned into white men's popmusic at a certain point when rapping about rims and gold chains was more important than people from your neighborhood suffering. I don't want generalize it though and it's legitimate that major music genres turn into or mix with pop music, but especially all this "look at me, I'm rich as fuck" braggadocio stuff turned hip-hop away from what it was.
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What wuz dude talkn abt in that uthr topic abt people understanding an artist intent. Alot of that plays into whut kud appear to be on tha surface as sumthing its not. When u have big money u do shit most people wudnt do or u normally wudnt do if u didnt have money. And thats whut makes it Real/Reality. Has anybody ever noticed that it wuz such a big deal and so un hip hop 4 Black people to talk about being successful and partying and having nice things and living tha good life? How duz romantisizing those issues constitute as being fake, if anything just sum of tha songs being made and broadcasted were unoriginal, everything else wuz normal and just tha way most people liked it. Alot of tha negativity is just hype and outcries from misguided and misinformed people.
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How duz romantisizing those issues constitute as being fake, if anything just sum of tha songs being made and broadcasted were unoriginal, everything else wuz normal and just tha way most people liked it. Alot of tha negativity is just hype and outcries from misguided and misinformed people.
word.
that bling bling shit killed hip hop...
rap used to be the articulator for the people in the hood to speak some real shit and actually point out the problems. but it turned into white men's popmusic at a certain point when rapping about rims and gold chains was more important than people from your neighborhood suffering. I don't want generalize it though and it's legitimate that major music genres turn into or mix with pop music, but especially all this "look at me, I'm rich as fuck" braggadocio stuff turned hip-hop away from what it was.
sorry but the whole bling arguement is dumb as hell and whats more ITS OLD AS HELL. name ur 10 favourite rappers and i bet they glorified the high life in some of their raps. unless of course you somehow come out with the backpackers top 10 lol. we all want the good life and rap is about struggle, and people who came out that struggle want to talk about it, or at least dream about gettin out of it, so i dont care if it glorifies it, its still good.
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that bling bling shit killed hip hop...
rap used to be the articulator for the people in the hood to speak some real shit and actually point out the problems. but it turned into white men's popmusic at a certain point when rapping about rims and gold chains was more important than people from your neighborhood suffering. I don't want generalize it though and it's legitimate that major music genres turn into or mix with pop music, but especially all this "look at me, I'm rich as fuck" braggadocio stuff turned hip-hop away from what it was.
sorry but the whole bling arguement is dumb as hell and whats more ITS OLD AS HELL. name ur 10 favourite rappers and i bet they glorified the high life in some of their raps. unless of course you somehow come out with the backpackers top 10 lol. we all want the good life and rap is about struggle, and people who came out that struggle want to talk about it, or at least dream about gettin out of it, so i dont care if it glorifies it, its still good.
Yeah I see what you're trying to say. And to some point I agree because I really do like some of those songs. It don't matter if it's E-40, Snoop, Cube or even DJ Quik. All of them had their poppy songs, especially Snoop. But what I'm trying to say is, that those songs turned Hip-Hop into the wrong direction. I mean in a mainstream kind of way. All of them had their best songs when being "real" or better from the bottom. And you can see them going back to that. E-40 with his last album, Cube on tracks like "Hood Robbin" or "Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It". Everyone of us likes some pop songs, that's nothing strange and never has been. But the point is, hip-hop was at its best when it tried to tell stories, you feel me? Just don't call my point dumb, I think you didn't really get what I was trying to point out. Just look at what people praise these days the most. I mean even on here. It's lyrics like those of rappers like Murs or Paris. Who really try to point something out not just telling which cognac brand they shift down their throat.
For example I really enjoy the track of N.E.R.D.'s new album "Life As A Fish" which is really trying to make a statement. That's what music should do, especially hip-hop, which was coming out of this kind of art form. And in the last decade we had so many bullshit topics to be rapped about. I mean even Terrace Martin showed us how easy it could be with this love and relationship thing. Hip-Hop has to have a direction, but the recent direction is just wrong. That's what Nas pointed out for example.
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If Hip Hop didnt have a fun side i would die!
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that bling bling shit killed hip hop...
rap used to be the articulator for the people in the hood to speak some real shit and actually point out the problems. but it turned into white men's popmusic at a certain point when rapping about rims and gold chains was more important than people from your neighborhood suffering. I don't want generalize it though and it's legitimate that major music genres turn into or mix with pop music, but especially all this "look at me, I'm rich as fuck" braggadocio stuff turned hip-hop away from what it was.
sorry but the whole bling arguement is dumb as hell and whats more ITS OLD AS HELL. name ur 10 favourite rappers and i bet they glorified the high life in some of their raps. unless of course you somehow come out with the backpackers top 10 lol. we all want the good life and rap is about struggle, and people who came out that struggle want to talk about it, or at least dream about gettin out of it, so i dont care if it glorifies it, its still good.
Yeah I see what you're trying to say. And to some point I agree because I really do like some of those songs. It don't matter if it's E-40, Snoop, Cube or even DJ Quik. All of them had their poppy songs, especially Snoop. But what I'm trying to say is, that those songs turned Hip-Hop into the wrong direction. I mean in a mainstream kind of way. All of them had their best songs when being "real" or better from the bottom. And you can see them going back to that. E-40 with his last album, Cube on tracks like "Hood Robbin" or "Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It". Everyone of us likes some pop songs, that's nothing strange and never has been. But the point is, hip-hop was at its best when it tried to tell stories, you feel me? Just don't call my point dumb, I think you didn't really get what I was trying to point out. Just look at what people praise these days the most. I mean even on here. It's lyrics like those of rappers like Murs or Paris. Who really try to point something out not just telling which cognac brand they shift down their throat.
For example I really enjoy the track of N.E.R.D.'s new album "Life As A Fish" which is really trying to make a statement. That's what music should do, especially hip-hop, which was coming out of this kind of art form. And in the last decade we had so many bullshit topics to be rapped about. I mean even Terrace Martin showed us how easy it could be with this love and relationship thing. Hip-Hop has to have a direction, but the recent direction is just wrong. That's what Nas pointed out for example.
ok so ill admit the point isnt dumb when you explain it like that, makes a lot of sense. it think it just comes down to preference, i LOVE music with a message, something that can make me feel or think differently, something that can grab me. but fuck i love that ignornant shit too and i dont think one is wrong or right, they are just different. you could say the direction of hip-hop in the mainstream has become SHALLOW, fuck yeah, its shallow as hell and ill freely admit that, but it doesnt make it bad. not all music needs a message. i mean hell im a huge techno head and what is the message to that? there is a scene surrounding it all about being free, dancing, and getting fucked up, but really it has no message, its just music, and i think its wrong to downplay music just because it doesnt tell a story or have a serious message.
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Midwestplayerhater, that's ur new name
the only ignorant ass ,closeminded hater is you . I am the honest truth you can't handle. so your name is Loud Pack hater because that is all you are a hater
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that bling bling shit killed hip hop...
rap used to be the articulator for the people in the hood to speak some real shit and actually point out the problems. but it turned into white men's popmusic at a certain point when rapping about rims and gold chains was more important than people from your neighborhood suffering. I don't want generalize it though and it's legitimate that major music genres turn into or mix with pop music, but especially all this "look at me, I'm rich as fuck" braggadocio stuff turned hip-hop away from what it was.
sorry but the whole bling arguement is dumb as hell and whats more ITS OLD AS HELL. name ur 10 favourite rappers and i bet they glorified the high life in some of their raps. unless of course you somehow come out with the backpackers top 10 lol. we all want the good life and rap is about struggle, and people who came out that struggle want to talk about it, or at least dream about gettin out of it, so i dont care if it glorifies it, its still good.
Yeah I see what you're trying to say. And to some point I agree because I really do like some of those songs. It don't matter if it's E-40, Snoop, Cube or even DJ Quik. All of them had their poppy songs, especially Snoop. But what I'm trying to say is, that those songs turned Hip-Hop into the wrong direction. I mean in a mainstream kind of way. All of them had their best songs when being "real" or better from the bottom. And you can see them going back to that. E-40 with his last album, Cube on tracks like "Hood Robbin" or "Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It". Everyone of us likes some pop songs, that's nothing strange and never has been. But the point is, hip-hop was at its best when it tried to tell stories, you feel me? Just don't call my point dumb, I think you didn't really get what I was trying to point out. Just look at what people praise these days the most. I mean even on here. It's lyrics like those of rappers like Murs or Paris. Who really try to point something out not just telling which cognac brand they shift down their throat.
For example I really enjoy the track of N.E.R.D.'s new album "Life As A Fish" which is really trying to make a statement. That's what music should do, especially hip-hop, which was coming out of this kind of art form. And in the last decade we had so many bullshit topics to be rapped about. I mean even Terrace Martin showed us how easy it could be with this love and relationship thing. Hip-Hop has to have a direction, but the recent direction is just wrong. That's what Nas pointed out for example.
ok so ill admit the point isnt dumb when you explain it like that, makes a lot of sense. it think it just comes down to preference, i LOVE music with a message, something that can make me feel or think differently, something that can grab me. but fuck i love that ignornant shit too and i dont think one is wrong or right, they are just different. you could say the direction of hip-hop in the mainstream has become SHALLOW, fuck yeah, its shallow as hell and ill freely admit that, but it doesnt make it bad. not all music needs a message. i mean hell im a huge techno head and what is the message to that? there is a scene surrounding it all about being free, dancing, and getting fucked up, but really it has no message, its just music, and i think its wrong to downplay music just because it doesnt tell a story or have a serious message.
I think the solution to this discussion is diversity. Both songs with a message and "fun" songs have their place in hip hop. But when all you are hearing all over the media is ignorant pop songs it makes the genre seem watered-down. I hate how other music genres are allowed to have diversity on a mainstream level, but for hip hop, the powers that be insist on latching onto the next trend and flooding the radio with songs that all try to sound alike.
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that bling bling shit killed hip hop...
rap used to be the articulator for the people in the hood to speak some real shit and actually point out the problems. but it turned into white men's popmusic at a certain point when rapping about rims and gold chains was more important than people from your neighborhood suffering. I don't want generalize it though and it's legitimate that major music genres turn into or mix with pop music, but especially all this "look at me, I'm rich as fuck" braggadocio stuff turned hip-hop away from what it was.
sorry but the whole bling arguement is dumb as hell and whats more ITS OLD AS HELL. name ur 10 favourite rappers and i bet they glorified the high life in some of their raps. unless of course you somehow come out with the backpackers top 10 lol. we all want the good life and rap is about struggle, and people who came out that struggle want to talk about it, or at least dream about gettin out of it, so i dont care if it glorifies it, its still good.
Yeah I see what you're trying to say. And to some point I agree because I really do like some of those songs. It don't matter if it's E-40, Snoop, Cube or even DJ Quik. All of them had their poppy songs, especially Snoop. But what I'm trying to say is, that those songs turned Hip-Hop into the wrong direction. I mean in a mainstream kind of way. All of them had their best songs when being "real" or better from the bottom. And you can see them going back to that. E-40 with his last album, Cube on tracks like "Hood Robbin" or "Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It". Everyone of us likes some pop songs, that's nothing strange and never has been. But the point is, hip-hop was at its best when it tried to tell stories, you feel me? Just don't call my point dumb, I think you didn't really get what I was trying to point out. Just look at what people praise these days the most. I mean even on here. It's lyrics like those of rappers like Murs or Paris. Who really try to point something out not just telling which cognac brand they shift down their throat.
For example I really enjoy the track of N.E.R.D.'s new album "Life As A Fish" which is really trying to make a statement. That's what music should do, especially hip-hop, which was coming out of this kind of art form. And in the last decade we had so many bullshit topics to be rapped about. I mean even Terrace Martin showed us how easy it could be with this love and relationship thing. Hip-Hop has to have a direction, but the recent direction is just wrong. That's what Nas pointed out for example.
ok so ill admit the point isnt dumb when you explain it like that, makes a lot of sense. it think it just comes down to preference, i LOVE music with a message, something that can make me feel or think differently, something that can grab me. but fuck i love that ignornant shit too and i dont think one is wrong or right, they are just different. you could say the direction of hip-hop in the mainstream has become SHALLOW, fuck yeah, its shallow as hell and ill freely admit that, but it doesnt make it bad. not all music needs a message. i mean hell im a huge techno head and what is the message to that? there is a scene surrounding it all about being free, dancing, and getting fucked up, but really it has no message, its just music, and i think its wrong to downplay music just because it doesnt tell a story or have a serious message.
I think the solution to this discussion is diversity. Both songs with a message and "fun" songs have their place in hip hop. But when all you are hearing all over the media is ignorant pop songs it makes the genre seem watered-down. I hate how other music genres are allowed to have diversity on a mainstream level, but for hip hop, the powers that be insist on latching onto the next trend and flooding the radio with songs that all try to sound alike.
yeah, what both of you just posted is exactly what I feel like! don't get me wrong, I love some ignorant shit as hell. how else could you praise cats like too short, suga free or e-40? but it's exactly like you said, hip-hop went wrong with being seen as a genre dominated by black males talking bout their cars, rims, hoes, straps, alcoholics and weed types. it's just because nearly every rap song from the last decade that was in the top 20 was about such a thing. and i don't get why because there is so much message music out there too. it's just about how you deliver it. sometimes you need retarded songs. but i make a difference between songs which are retarded or trashy but still original as hell and those which are just wack. I don't even know how i should explain how i make the difference. for example sometimes i like lil jon songs, because they got energy and they are original because lil jon succeeded in creating his own formula and his own way of representing his shit. but on the other hand i detest guys like lil wayne for being just wack. I know some may say that lil wayne is doin the same thing but i feel like his shit is way more unoriginal an senseless. i couldnt even party to his tracks. at the end it's all about the taste anyway. but i think hip-hop is seen wrong just because of the incredibly high number of those pointless wack songs compared to the songs style or message in the mainstream. i mean e-40 went big with "tell me when to go" and i loved that song. and at the same time i hated when snoop came out with "i wanna fuck you".