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Title: Is it safe to say(The 18th Letter)is a CLASSIC.
Post by: weedhead on November 19, 2010, 12:04:48 AM
Mayne! i could not stop listening to this whole cd everyday..lyrics where mind blowing,and the beats where amazing....Rakim-the 18th letter.
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Post by: eazye on November 19, 2010, 01:26:47 AM
top notch album indeed
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Post by: Invincible on November 19, 2010, 08:04:54 AM
top notch album indeed

But just a bit short when it comes to classic. Stay A While and to many skits stop it from being a classic for me.
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Post by: eazye on November 19, 2010, 10:11:10 AM
top notch album indeed

But just a bit short when it comes to classic. Stay A While and to many skits stop it from being a classic for me.
lol I really dig Stay A While  :-[ Rakim does these types of songs with class and Stay A While is proof imo
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Post by: weedhead on November 19, 2010, 10:11:27 AM
top notch album indeed

But just a bit short when it comes to classic. Stay A While and to many skits stop it from being a classic for me.
i feel u.but stay awhile is a track that has to grow on u...i really dig that track now.
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Post by: BiggBoogaBiff on November 19, 2010, 10:16:31 AM
hardly.  it's only 4 tha throwback old skool ny heads out there.
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Post by: Paul on November 19, 2010, 10:33:36 AM
Nope. Not for me.
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Post by: LAZY on November 19, 2010, 11:21:26 AM
For me, its a good album, some classic songs but I wouldn't call the album classic. I would recommend it to someone who hasn't heard it (and was into 90s shit)

Some of my favorite tracks are 18th Letter, Its Been a Long Time, Guess Who's Back, When Im Flowin



Title: Re: Is it safe to say(The 18th Letter)is a CLASSIC.
Post by: weedhead on November 19, 2010, 11:59:31 AM
hardly.  it's only 4 tha throwback old skool ny heads out there.
See people this is where the thread gets stupid..its good to say it was not a classic homie,but why slang mud at anybody that dig this lp..u throwing bullshit insults(its only for the throw back ny cats)...Im from Memphis Tennessee and i loved this lp.and many more people down south did to..so what u saying..i dont understand why u mark very good music- SHIT- cause of the year...great music is great music...meaning there is no time limit on good music..grow up lil. homie. :grumpy:
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Post by: weedhead on November 19, 2010, 12:01:30 PM
For me, its a good album, some classic songs but I wouldn't call the album classic. I would recommend it to someone who hasn't heard it (and was into 90s shit)

Some of my favorite tracks are 18th Letter, Its Been a Long Time, Guess Who's Back, When Im Flowin




I put all four of those tracks on my pod 3days ago..my fav.to.
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Post by: weedhead on November 19, 2010, 12:03:56 PM
Nope. Not for me.
Now i can respect that.
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Post by: RingMan on November 19, 2010, 01:34:45 PM
For me, its a good album, some classic songs but I wouldn't call the album classic. I would recommend it to someone who hasn't heard it (and was into 90s shit)

Some of my favorite tracks are 18th Letter, Its Been a Long Time, Guess Who's Back, When Im Flowin
I can co-sign this
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Post by: Suga Foot on November 19, 2010, 03:00:25 PM
I bought it when it came out, it was the double disc version with the greatest hits on disc 2.  I found myself listening to the old stuff more often.  I never really got into it that much.  Just wasn't my thing.  I remember when Master P's "Ghetto D" song was out, I impressed all my friends by showing them "Eric B is president". 
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Post by: Anunikke on November 19, 2010, 03:34:36 PM
Since we're on the subject of Rakim solo's, 7th seal is almost the most slept on hip-hop album ever.
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Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on November 19, 2010, 11:03:35 PM
Since we're on the subject of Rakim solo's, 7th seal is almost the most slept on hip-hop album ever.

That was the most disappointing album of the year
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Post by: Anunikke on November 20, 2010, 01:32:16 AM
Since we're on the subject of Rakim solo's, 7th seal is almost the most slept on hip-hop album ever.

That was the most disappointing album of the year
You expected too much, of course it wasn't going to be as good as Follow The Leader but it was still better than most releases last year.
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Post by: weedhead on November 20, 2010, 02:25:23 AM
Since we're on the subject of Rakim solo's, 7th seal is almost the most slept on hip-hop album ever.

That was the most disappointing album of the year
Oh yes it was..it had one cut,and that was(when im on the mic)premo.produced that one......when i think about it..hell,18th was better than follow the leader,7th seal,and aleast two more eric b and rakims albums..top 100 great hiphop albums 18th letter.
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Post by: BiggBoogaBiff on November 20, 2010, 09:16:22 AM
We see Ra`s got a die hard fan on deck lol
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Post by: WCoastTillIDie on November 20, 2010, 10:29:06 AM
Surprisingly, and I know it's Rakim, but it wasn't a classic for me.  it was close however.
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Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on November 20, 2010, 10:31:32 AM
Since we're on the subject of Rakim solo's, 7th seal is almost the most slept on hip-hop album ever.

That was the most disappointing album of the year
You expected too much, of course it wasn't going to be as good as Follow The Leader but it was still better than most releases last year.

No, no it wasn't. Ra was still lyrically there but it sounded like he spent zero time making that album. Definitely his worst.
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Post by: Anunikke on November 20, 2010, 10:46:42 AM
Since we're on the subject of Rakim solo's, 7th seal is almost the most slept on hip-hop album ever.

That was the most disappointing album of the year
You expected too much, of course it wasn't going to be as good as Follow The Leader but it was still better than most releases last year.

No, no it wasn't. Ra was still lyrically there but it sounded like he spent zero time making that album. Definitely his worst.
Every body who's I've seen revist it changes their mind completely, give it another chance with an open mind.
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Post by: theremedy360 on November 20, 2010, 10:51:39 AM
I agree with most of the posters, some classic songs but too many fillers to be a classic album.
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Post by: BiggBoogaBiff on November 20, 2010, 11:05:32 AM
Since we're on the subject of Rakim solo's, 7th seal is almost the most slept on hip-hop album ever.

That was the most disappointing album of the year
You expected too much, of course it wasn't going to be as good as Follow The Leader but it was still better than most releases last year.

No, no it wasn't. Ra was still lyrically there but it sounded like he spent zero time making that album. Definitely his worst.
Every body who's I've seen revist it changes their mind completely, give it another chance with an open mind.


why... if people don't like an album from 14 years ago and still don't really feel it now then why.  it's just not a good album and you should move on.  that's why i didn't respond 2 kushface.  you're a die hard and ur tryna force people to feel a certain way about something that was never really poppin' off 2 begin with.  if it was a classic then it would've been bigger than it wuz and iz TODAY (that's the definition of a classic right.... "timeless").  it iz whut it iz tho, life's way more important than arguing with some hardcore Rakim fans (dudes not even relevant anymore and hasn't been for almost a quarter century now.... literally) so with that said i'm gone.
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Post by: Anunikke on November 20, 2010, 11:16:32 AM
Since we're on the subject of Rakim solo's, 7th seal is almost the most slept on hip-hop album ever.

That was the most disappointing album of the year
You expected too much, of course it wasn't going to be as good as Follow The Leader but it was still better than most releases last year.

No, no it wasn't. Ra was still lyrically there but it sounded like he spent zero time making that album. Definitely his worst.
Every body who's I've seen revist it changes their mind completely, give it another chance with an open mind.


why... if people don't like an album from 14 years ago and still don't really feel it now then why.  it's just not a good album and you should move on.  that's why i didn't respond 2 kushface.  you're a die hard and ur tryna force people to feel a certain way about something that was never really poppin' off 2 begin with.  if it was a classic then it would've been bigger than it wuz and iz TODAY (that's the definition of a classic right.... "timeless").  it iz whut it iz tho, life's way more important than arguing with some hardcore Rakim fans (dudes not even relevant anymore and hasn't been for almost a quarter century now.... literally) so with that said i'm gone.
The Fuck are you talking about?

The Seventh Seal is barely a year old and I'm not even that big of a Rakim fan.
I just keep hearing people say they didn't like it on first listen and then love it when they rediscover it a year later.
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Post by: BiggBoogaBiff on November 20, 2010, 12:06:23 PM
Since we're on the subject of Rakim solo's, 7th seal is almost the most slept on hip-hop album ever.

That was the most disappointing album of the year
You expected too much, of course it wasn't going to be as good as Follow The Leader but it was still better than most releases last year.

No, no it wasn't. Ra was still lyrically there but it sounded like he spent zero time making that album. Definitely his worst.
Every body who's I've seen revist it changes their mind completely, give it another chance with an open mind.


why... if people don't like an album from 14 years ago and still don't really feel it now then why.  it's just not a good album and you should move on.  that's why i didn't respond 2 kushface.  you're a die hard and ur tryna force people to feel a certain way about something that was never really poppin' off 2 begin with.  if it was a classic then it would've been bigger than it wuz and iz TODAY (that's the definition of a classic right.... "timeless").  it iz whut it iz tho, life's way more important than arguing with some hardcore Rakim fans (dudes not even relevant anymore and hasn't been for almost a quarter century now.... literally) so with that said i'm gone.
The Fuck are you talking about?

The Seventh Seal is barely a year old and I'm not even that big of a Rakim fan.
I just keep hearing people say they didn't like it on first listen and then love it when they rediscover it a year later.


wow son u should really stop riding me so hard, this thread is about "The 18th Letter" correct?  and as far as "The 7th Seal" goes, i discovered it when it 1st came out (just like MOST people did, it waz kinda "anticipated" wasn't it?) and it was garbage.  Whoever says they loved it a year later had 2 do alot of "breakin it in" to like it.  it's all good 4 u if u r 1 of those people but Rakim is useless, he just should've stuck with those Hennessey ads, that waz a good look.


u Old Heads get more bitter and bitter by tha day.  seriously y'all should just give up on tha hating already, it's pointless and y'all alienate everybody else not in your "exclusive" circle of Hip Hop heads.
Title: Re: Is it safe to say(The 18th Letter)is a CLASSIC.
Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on November 20, 2010, 12:11:29 PM
Since we're on the subject of Rakim solo's, 7th seal is almost the most slept on hip-hop album ever.

That was the most disappointing album of the year
You expected too much, of course it wasn't going to be as good as Follow The Leader but it was still better than most releases last year.

No, no it wasn't. Ra was still lyrically there but it sounded like he spent zero time making that album. Definitely his worst.
Every body who's I've seen revist it changes their mind completely, give it another chance with an open mind.

I still listen to some songs off that album. I don't need to revisit it. Ra put no effort into it and it shows. A perfect example of how lyrics can't carry an album.

This album is disliked not only by the fans but by professional critics as well. You're the only one I know who has a hard on for it. Give it a rest.
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Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on November 20, 2010, 12:24:52 PM
Also I hate how people justify mediocre albums from great rappers by saying "oh well its better than most albums this year". And then they go on to list the latest Gucci Mane or Rick Ross album. That is such bullshit. If those are the only other albums you listen to I could understand. But there is so much good music dropping every year. Especially 2009 that was a great year for hip hop. 7th Seal didn't come close to being one of the best releases that year.
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Post by: BiggBoogaBiff on November 20, 2010, 12:52:02 PM
Also I hate how people justify mediocre albums from great rappers by saying "oh well its better than most albums this year". And then they go on to list the latest Gucci Mane or Rick Ross album. That is such bullshit. If those are the only other albums you listen to I could understand. But there is so much good music dropping every year. Especially 2009 that was a great year for hip hop. 7th Seal didn't come close to being one of the best releases that year.



U should quote that and put it on a shirt and sell it on Hip Hop websites.  That old ass tired excuse from BITTER OLD SKOOL Hip Hop heads suck tha life outta me lol.  I mean it's cool 2 have an opinion but when u compare EVERYTHING to a Gucci Mane or Rick Ross or MOST OF ALL A SOULJA BOY album then u suck (and u literally are just a Hater and there's no objection about it it just becomes FACT thru their actions).  i mean how can 1 be so bitter about something that has absolutely nothing to do with them, that's some bipolar shit foreal.
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Post by: Fraxxx on November 20, 2010, 01:05:31 PM
Also I hate how people justify mediocre albums from great rappers by saying "oh well its better than most albums this year". And then they go on to list the latest Gucci Mane or Rick Ross album. That is such bullshit. If those are the only other albums you listen to I could understand. But there is so much good music dropping every year. Especially 2009 that was a great year for hip hop. 7th Seal didn't come close to being one of the best releases that year.



U should quote that and put it on a shirt and sell it on Hip Hop websites.  That old ass tired excuse from BITTER OLD SKOOL Hip Hop heads suck tha life outta me lol.  I mean it's cool 2 have an opinion but when u compare EVERYTHING to a Gucci Mane or Rick Ross or MOST OF ALL A SOULJA BOY album then u suck (and u literally are just a Hater and there's no objection about it it just becomes FACT thru their actions).  i mean how can 1 be so bitter about something that has absolutely nothing to do with them, that's some bipolar shit foreal.

Since you feel the need to reply it must bother you but unfortunately the rappers mentioned are good examples for mediocre output. You can't change it and I highly doubt that these rappers can. :D
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Post by: BiggBoogaBiff on November 20, 2010, 01:58:59 PM
son u really stop hating on me now.  at this point all i've seen u do is utter bullshit.  good 4 u and ur opinion but all i do is bring out facts and if some of tha artist i mentioned aren't ur cup of tea then say it but other than that stop buggin out becuz u feel a certain way.  so yes it does bother me that somebody is comin' at me with some hater bullshit rather than keepin it 100 and puttin real live facts out there instead of useless and redundant opinions.  stop bein 1 of those bitter ass kats who still wanna live in some fantasy land where Big Daddy Kane is the best thing to happen to Rap since the drum machine.
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Post by: Anunikke on November 20, 2010, 03:29:55 PM
wow son u should really stop riding me so hard, this thread is about "The 18th Letter" correct?  and as far as "The 7th Seal" goes, i discovered it when it 1st came out (just like MOST people did, it waz kinda "anticipated" wasn't it?) and it was garbage.  Whoever says they loved it a year later had 2 do alot of "breakin it in" to like it.  it's all good 4 u if u r 1 of those people but Rakim is useless, he just should've stuck with those Hennessey ads, that waz a good look.


u Old Heads get more bitter and bitter by tha day.  seriously y'all should just give up on tha hating already, it's pointless and y'all alienate everybody else not in your "exclusive" circle of Hip Hop heads.
Old Heads? I'm younger than you are...

Since we're on the subject of Rakim solo's, 7th seal is almost the most slept on hip-hop album ever.

That was the most disappointing album of the year
You expected too much, of course it wasn't going to be as good as Follow The Leader but it was still better than most releases last year.

No, no it wasn't. Ra was still lyrically there but it sounded like he spent zero time making that album. Definitely his worst.
Every body who's I've seen revist it changes their mind completely, give it another chance with an open mind.

I still listen to some songs off that album. I don't need to revisit it. Ra put no effort into it and it shows. A perfect example of how lyrics can't carry an album.

This album is disliked not only by the fans but by professional critics as well. You're the only one I know who has a hard on for it. Give it a rest.
I like the production, lol.

You're leaning on the opinion of the professional critics now? I expected more from you tbh.
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Post by: BiggBoogaBiff on November 20, 2010, 03:42:10 PM
wow son u should really stop riding me so hard, this thread is about "The 18th Letter" correct?  and as far as "The 7th Seal" goes, i discovered it when it 1st came out (just like MOST people did, it waz kinda "anticipated" wasn't it?) and it was garbage.  Whoever says they loved it a year later had 2 do alot of "breakin it in" to like it.  it's all good 4 u if u r 1 of those people but Rakim is useless, he just should've stuck with those Hennessey ads, that waz a good look.


u Old Heads get more bitter and bitter by tha day.  seriously y'all should just give up on tha hating already, it's pointless and y'all alienate everybody else not in your "exclusive" circle of Hip Hop heads.
Old Heads? I'm younger than you are...

Since we're on the subject of Rakim solo's, 7th seal is almost the most slept on hip-hop album ever.

That was the most disappointing album of the year
You expected too much, of course it wasn't going to be as good as Follow The Leader but it was still better than most releases last year.

No, no it wasn't. Ra was still lyrically there but it sounded like he spent zero time making that album. Definitely his worst.
Every body who's I've seen revist it changes their mind completely, give it another chance with an open mind.

I still listen to some songs off that album. I don't need to revisit it. Ra put no effort into it and it shows. A perfect example of how lyrics can't carry an album.

This album is disliked not only by the fans but by professional critics as well. You're the only one I know who has a hard on for it. Give it a rest.
I like the production, lol.

You're leaning on the opinion of the professional critics now? I expected more from you tbh.



cool ur younger, fine, great.


and he said fans AND critics (not all critics are bad, you're a critic nigga).  you're fighting an uphill battle with Rakim and definitely tha two albums open for discussion. 


no need 2 beat a dead horse though.  Ra was good 4 his time but like Kam and alot of other rappers they weren't nothing but merely a star a in a brief moment in time and they aren't like artists like Scarface & Too $hort who've stayed relevant with the times.  even if those two don't sell much people will STILL look out 4 them no matter how old they are (at least that's how it's been).  rakim on the other hand hasn't really done nothing compared to other peers in his class.
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Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on November 20, 2010, 09:25:53 PM
wow son u should really stop riding me so hard, this thread is about "The 18th Letter" correct?  and as far as "The 7th Seal" goes, i discovered it when it 1st came out (just like MOST people did, it waz kinda "anticipated" wasn't it?) and it was garbage.  Whoever says they loved it a year later had 2 do alot of "breakin it in" to like it.  it's all good 4 u if u r 1 of those people but Rakim is useless, he just should've stuck with those Hennessey ads, that waz a good look.


u Old Heads get more bitter and bitter by tha day.  seriously y'all should just give up on tha hating already, it's pointless and y'all alienate everybody else not in your "exclusive" circle of Hip Hop heads.
Old Heads? I'm younger than you are...

Since we're on the subject of Rakim solo's, 7th seal is almost the most slept on hip-hop album ever.

That was the most disappointing album of the year
You expected too much, of course it wasn't going to be as good as Follow The Leader but it was still better than most releases last year.

No, no it wasn't. Ra was still lyrically there but it sounded like he spent zero time making that album. Definitely his worst.
Every body who's I've seen revist it changes their mind completely, give it another chance with an open mind.

I still listen to some songs off that album. I don't need to revisit it. Ra put no effort into it and it shows. A perfect example of how lyrics can't carry an album.

This album is disliked not only by the fans but by professional critics as well. You're the only one I know who has a hard on for it. Give it a rest.
I like the production, lol.

You're leaning on the opinion of the professional critics now? I expected more from you tbh.


Critics by themselves? No. But the combination of fans AND critics disliking this album obviously says something about it. I had my opinion on it before I even knew what the critics were saying. Point is you're on your own.
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Post by: Triple OG Rapsodie on November 20, 2010, 09:28:57 PM
And the production was weak btw. As was the generic hooks sung by generic singers I wasn't feeling.
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Post by: Black Excellence on November 21, 2010, 09:20:10 AM
top notch album indeed

But just a bit short when it comes to classic. Stay A While and to many skits stop it from being a classic for me.
not at all. a very classic album ra's best solo imo.
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Post by: Invincible on November 21, 2010, 09:23:13 AM
top notch album indeed

But just a bit short when it comes to classic. Stay A While and to many skits stop it from being a classic for me.
not at all. a very classic album ra's best solo imo.

A rare appearance from you Classic Material. Yer, it's definitely his best solo. The majority of the tracks are fantastic but it's lacking that spark.
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Post by: Black Excellence on November 21, 2010, 09:26:57 AM
top notch album indeed

But just a bit short when it comes to classic. Stay A While and to many skits stop it from being a classic for me.
not at all. a very classic album ra's best solo imo.

A rare appearance from you Classic Material. Yer, it's definitely his best solo. The majority of the tracks are fantastic but it's lacking that spark.
i'm back homie !!!!
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Post by: Fraxxx on November 21, 2010, 09:39:08 AM
son u really stop hating on me now.  at this point all i've seen u do is utter bullshit.  good 4 u and ur opinion but all i do is bring out facts and if some of tha artist i mentioned aren't ur cup of tea then say it but other than that stop buggin out becuz u feel a certain way.  so yes it does bother me that somebody is comin' at me with some hater bullshit rather than keepin it 100 and puttin real live facts out there instead of useless and redundant opinions.  stop bein 1 of those bitter ass kats who still wanna live in some fantasy land where Big Daddy Kane is the best thing to happen to Rap since the drum machine.

You are mad confused son. You're funny, though, so your bullshit is tolerated.