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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Detox Iz Not Active on November 28, 2010, 07:34:16 AM
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I didn't think the other thread would be locked
Dishonorable mentions:
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EM critics bashed the excellent Relapse album for being gimmicky, EM was stupid enough to listen. The result? A purely gimmick filled tiring album of him screaming absolute nonsense for 16 tracks. BOB's was terribly disappointing. His mixtape tracks like "Put Me On" and "Fuck This Money" made it seem like he actually was someone worth listening too. The result was a pathetic attempt at hipster hip hop that were too forced to meet a certain niche in the market.
Honorable mentions:
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This was a terrible year for Ross haters. He had the hottest album of the summer (incredible production with spot on lyrics). Also he has 2 guest spots on the biggest album of the year.
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(http://musicalatinaymas.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/cee-lo-lady-killer-cover-300x300.jpg)
Wildflower, Cry Baby, Bright Lights Bigger City.... Easily the R&b album of the year.
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People who think Big Boi is just Andre's sidekick in Outkast need to check out this album and Speakboxxx. Best rap album this year.
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(http://www.gearnoir.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/kanye-west-my-beautiful-dark-twisted-fantasy-album-cover-41-300x300.png)
Classic electro hip hop
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Not sure when this classic will get appreciation it deserves, have to give Diddy props for staying the hell away from the creative process of this album
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b.o.b.'s album >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> malice in wonderland.
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lmao so wait, you do or don't want people to critique your list?
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b.o.b.'s album >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> malice in wonderland.
2 minute warning/Secrets>>>>BOB's album
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lmao so wait, you do or don't want people to critique your list?
He doesn't because he has a biased, shock-value opinion & knows having Rick Ross in his Top 5 albums is absurd lmfao.
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lmao so wait, you do or don't want people to critique your list?
He doesn't because he has a biased, shock-value opinion & knows having Rick Ross in his Top 5 albums is absurd lmfao.
you hate Ross more then Hitler and you talking about bias? fuck outta here
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lmao so wait, you do or don't want people to critique your list?
He doesn't because he has a biased, shock-value opinion & knows having Rick Ross in his Top 5 albums is absurd lmfao.
You would think, but he obviously wants attention because he remade the thread after the mods locked the other one
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lmao so wait, you do or don't want people to critique your list?
He doesn't because he has a biased, shock-value opinion & knows having Rick Ross in his Top 5 albums is absurd lmfao.
You would think, but he obviously wants attention because he remade the thread after the mods locked the other one
LOL @ wanting attention, you already two posts deep in this thread and I don't even know who the fuck you are
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I don't think Big Boi was seen as Andre's sidekick in Outkast. And if somebody did, they're just morons lol
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LMAO at ross being #5 ;D
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1a-Live Squad "The Tribute"
1b-Crooked I "Planet COB vol 1 ep" (shits on your fav rappers albums)
3-Royce "Bar exam 3"
4-Celph Titled "Ninteen Ninety Now"
5-Joe Buddenstein "Jew Muzic 4"
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1. t.i. - no mercy 2. the roots - how i got over 3. guilty simpson & madlib - oj simpson 4. big remo - entrapment 5. black milk - album of the year. in no order. honorable mention- b.o.b's album.
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lmao so wait, you do or don't want people to critique your list?
He doesn't because he has a biased, shock-value opinion & knows having Rick Ross in his Top 5 albums is absurd lmfao.
You would think, but he obviously wants attention because he remade the thread after the mods locked the other one
LOL @ wanting attention, you already two posts deep in this thread and I don't even know who the fuck you are
And yet you still haven't answered the question ;)
what is the point of this thread?
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lmao so wait, you do or don't want people to critique your list?
He doesn't because he has a biased, shock-value opinion & knows having Rick Ross in his Top 5 albums is absurd lmfao.
You would think, but he obviously wants attention because he remade the thread after the mods locked the other one
LOL @ wanting attention, you already two posts deep in this thread and I don't even know who the fuck you are
And yet you still haven't answered the question ;)
what is the point of this thread?
respond however you want to this thread, you want me to hold your hand through this thread?
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This should just be merged with that top 10 thread someone else created. Either way there's nothing wrong with this thread compared to his other one
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lmao so wait, you do or don't want people to critique your list?
He doesn't because he has a biased, shock-value opinion & knows having Rick Ross in his Top 5 albums is absurd lmfao.
you hate Ross more then Hitler and you talking about bias? fuck outta here
I've been steady bumping Aston Martin Music for weeks now. Sure, Drake's verse for it shits on Ross's easily. But it's a good song. Other than that one song though, nothing special. To say it's "Top 5" & then say Eminem's album is a "dishonorable mention" shows you're insane.
You don't have to put "Recovery" in your Top 5, but to make a point that it doesn't deserve to even be a nomination, then say "Rick Ross's album" is ridiculous.
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lmao so wait, you do or don't want people to critique your list?
He doesn't because he has a biased, shock-value opinion & knows having Rick Ross in his Top 5 albums is absurd lmfao.
you hate Ross more then Hitler and you talking about bias? fuck outta here
I've been steady bumping Aston Martin Music for weeks now. Sure, Drake's verse for it shits on Ross's easily. But it's a good song. Other than that one song though, nothing special. To say it's "Top 5" & then say Eminem's album is a "dishonorable mention" shows you're insane.
You don't have to put "Recovery" in your Top 5, but to make a point that it doesn't deserve to even be a nomination, then say "Rick Ross's album" is ridiculous.
I sincerely think that Ross album is better.
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lmao so wait, you do or don't want people to critique your list?
He doesn't because he has a biased, shock-value opinion & knows having Rick Ross in his Top 5 albums is absurd lmfao.
you hate Ross more then Hitler and you talking about bias? fuck outta here
I've been steady bumping Aston Martin Music for weeks now. Sure, Drake's verse for it shits on Ross's easily. But it's a good song. Other than that one song though, nothing special. To say it's "Top 5" & then say Eminem's album is a "dishonorable mention" shows you're insane.
You don't have to put "Recovery" in your Top 5, but to make a point that it doesn't deserve to even be a nomination, then say "Rick Ross's album" is ridiculous.
I sincerely think that Ross album is better.
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lmao so wait, you do or don't want people to critique your list?
He doesn't because he has a biased, shock-value opinion & knows having Rick Ross in his Top 5 albums is absurd lmfao.
you hate Ross more then Hitler and you talking about bias? fuck outta here
I've been steady bumping Aston Martin Music for weeks now. Sure, Drake's verse for it shits on Ross's easily. But it's a good song. Other than that one song though, nothing special. To say it's "Top 5" & then say Eminem's album is a "dishonorable mention" shows you're insane.
You don't have to put "Recovery" in your Top 5, but to make a point that it doesn't deserve to even be a nomination, then say "Rick Ross's album" is ridiculous.
I sincerely think that Ross album is better.
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LOLOL. Then all of you follow up by saying this has been a bad year for Hip Hop.
That album was a 3/5, at best. If that's making Top 5 of the year, I guess we just have to hope for a better 2011.
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LOLOL. Then all of you follow up by saying this has been a bad year for Hip Hop.
That album was a 3/5, at best. If that's making Top 5 of the year, I guess we just have to hope for a better 2011.
Best album that sold a significant amount of copies.
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BMF was a dope record. I heard that bump more times out of cars driving by than I did any track off Recovery.
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LOLOL. Then all of you follow up by saying this has been a bad year for Hip Hop.
That album was a 3/5, at best. If that's making Top 5 of the year, I guess we just have to hope for a better 2011.
I don't think it's a top 5 album, but a 3.5/5 album, which is way better than how I would rank Eminem album. And I'm a fan.
Rick Ross made a banging, cohesive album with incredbile production and even the guest he picked did a good job on almost every track. Tehre some dirty south cliche fillers on there, which is why it is only a 3.5/5. People need to stop saying that Ross is a bad rapper, it's completely false. His lyrics are sometimes nice and fit with the vibe of the music he's trying to make. I think it's completely stupid to think that one is better than another just because his lyrics are somewhat ''more complicated''. If you think that way, stop listening to rap because the melody is always basic and start listening to some jazz. Eminem can make an album 1092350972 times better than Recovery.
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Yeah i agree. Teflon Don >>>> Recovery
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I don't think it's a top 5 album, but a 3.5/5 album, which is way better than how I would rank Eminem album. And I'm a fan.
Rick Ross made a banging, cohesive album with incredbile production and even the guest he picked did a good job on almost every track. Tehre some dirty south cliche fillers on there, which is why it is only a 3.5/5. People need to stop saying that Ross is a bad rapper, it's completely false. His lyrics are sometimes nice and fit with the vibe of the music he's trying to make. I think it's completely stupid to think that one is better than another just because his lyrics are somewhat ''more complicated''. If you think that way, stop listening to rap because the melody is always basic and start listening to some jazz. Eminem can make an album 1092350972 times better than Recovery.
On point. Teflon Don > Recovery easily
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BMF was a dope record. I heard that bump more times out of cars driving by than I did any track off Recovery.
exactly... I worked all summer in the city, and all day everyday all you can hear was "B.M.F." everywhere... this might be a stretch but that was the biggest rap record this year, at least in the streets
and I agree with most in here, I'd give Teflon Don a 3.75/5 rating simply cuz there's like 2 songs I don't bump from the album and as far as Em's, it lost replay value after a week and even then I still only really liked about half the album, making that only a 3/5
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I'm not a Ross hater, but his album wasn't close to the top of my list.
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Ross wouldn't make my top 5 or 10 list because I don't really listen to Ross. I do give respect when it's due and he definitely has earned it. With that said, Eminem wouldn't make my top 5 or 10 listen either. I'm just not of Rick Ross vocally or his image he sells. And, Eminem provided continued hit or miss material - more miss than hit for me.
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LOLOL. Then all of you follow up by saying this has been a bad year for Hip Hop.
That album was a 3/5, at best. If that's making Top 5 of the year, I guess we just have to hope for a better 2011.
Rick Ross made a banging, cohesive album with incredbile production and even the guest he picked did a good job on almost every track.
You're giving Ross credit for what his production team & guest features did for him lol.
Might as well be an instrumental albums lol.
You all misunderstood what I meant too. You can say Ross had a better album than Em, but don't tell me Ross's album is in the Top 5. Don't insult Hip Hop like that lmao.
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Cham, you seem to be in continued denial that beat selection & guest features must be credited to the MC when ranking an album. It was a choice made, as far as any of us knows, by the person who is named on the album. Until there's major statements released Ross has to be credited with choosing his beats and having guest features.
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You all misunderstood what I meant too. You can say Ross had a better album than Em, but don't tell me Ross's album is in the Top 5. Don't insult Hip Hop like that lmao.
Isn't Recovery in your top 5?
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Cham, you seem to be in continued denial that beat selection & guest features must be credited to the MC when ranking an album. It was a choice made, as far as any of us knows, by the person who is named on the album. Until there's major statements released Ross has to be credited with choosing his beats and having guest features.
You're given the beats & select them. Beats like Aston Martin Music's & Maybach Music III's are such no-brainers, any rapper would say, "yes, I will be using that one".
Then you tell Drake you want him to do a hook & he comes with an amazing one; then tell him to write a verse & it outshines both of yours by a thousand times over & then you're going to say, "Wow, Rick, you made a great song. Your verses kind of suit the song, but are fairly weak & you got outshined pretty badly. Also, the beat you picked was amazing, although it was handed to you"? I cannot do that.
I'd say he's the like poor man's Game. Game being pretty bad lyrically, still significantly better than Ross; but for the most part, carried by beats.
You all misunderstood what I meant too. You can say Ross had a better album than Em, but don't tell me Ross's album is in the Top 5. Don't insult Hip Hop like that lmao.
Isn't Recovery in your top 5?
It was, then I played it over & over, then came to the conclusion it was pretty poor & was Eminem's worst album. With that being said, I'd still put it far above Ross's album.
Most of the comments I made when the album first came out, were rushed & me being in denial as a pretty large fan of his. But the same flow, the screaming, overall, it was just below average. It had a few keepers.
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Cham, you seem to be in continued denial that beat selection & guest features must be credited to the MC when ranking an album. It was a choice made, as far as any of us knows, by the person who is named on the album. Until there's major statements released Ross has to be credited with choosing his beats and having guest features.
You're given the beats & select them. Beats like Aston Martin Music's & Maybach Music III's are such no-brainers, any rapper would say, "yes, I will be using that one".
Then you tell Drake you want him to do a hook & he comes with an amazing one; then tell him to write a verse & it outshines both of yours by a thousand times over & then you're going to say, "Wow, Rick, you made a great song. Your verses kind of suit the song, but are fairly weak & you got outshined pretty badly. Also, the beat you picked was amazing, although it was handed to you"? I cannot do that.
I'd say he's the like poor man's Game. Game being pretty bad lyrically, still significantly better than Ross; but for the most part, carried by beats.
You all misunderstood what I meant too. You can say Ross had a better album than Em, but don't tell me Ross's album is in the Top 5. Don't insult Hip Hop like that lmao.
Isn't Recovery in your top 5?
It was, then I played it over & over, then came to the conclusion it was pretty poor & was Eminem's worst album. With that being said, I'd still put it far above Ross's album.
Most of the comments I made when the album first came out, were rushed & me being in denial as a pretty large fan of his. But the same flow, the screaming, overall, it was just below average. It had a few keepers.
I wasn't big on that album but no way was it worse than Encore (although there were definitely a few quality songs on there).
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Cham, you seem to be in continued denial that beat selection & guest features must be credited to the MC when ranking an album. It was a choice made, as far as any of us knows, by the person who is named on the album. Until there's major statements released Ross has to be credited with choosing his beats and having guest features.
You're given the beats & select them. Beats like Aston Martin Music's & Maybach Music III's are such no-brainers, any rapper would say, "yes, I will be using that one".
Then you tell Drake you want him to do a hook & he comes with an amazing one; then tell him to write a verse & it outshines both of yours by a thousand times over & then you're going to say, "Wow, Rick, you made a great song. Your verses kind of suit the song, but are fairly weak & you got outshined pretty badly. Also, the beat you picked was amazing, although it was handed to you"? I cannot do that.
I'd say he's the like poor man's Game. Game being pretty bad lyrically, still significantly better than Ross; but for the most part, carried by beats.
You all misunderstood what I meant too. You can say Ross had a better album than Em, but don't tell me Ross's album is in the Top 5. Don't insult Hip Hop like that lmao.
Isn't Recovery in your top 5?
It was, then I played it over & over, then came to the conclusion it was pretty poor & was Eminem's worst album. With that being said, I'd still put it far above Ross's album.
Most of the comments I made when the album first came out, were rushed & me being in denial as a pretty large fan of his. But the same flow, the screaming, overall, it was just below average. It had a few keepers.
I wasn't big on that album but no way was it worse than Encore (although there were definitely a few quality songs on there).
I've honestly gone through this a lot. Looking through all his albums & how many good songs are on each.
I think it goes; MMLP > The Eminem Show > SSLP > Encore = Relapse (debatable over personal preference of style) > Recovery.
If he cut like 4-5 songs off of Encore, where he sounds straight up ridiculous (Ass Like That, Just Lose It), I don't know if it would get as much hate. Still clearly worse than everything prior to it, but better than Recovery.
I looked back at Recovery's tracklisting & besides Space Bound & 25 To Life (which I feel are standout), the rest just sounds highly repetitive, add the constant screaming & average production & it's his worst, in my opinion anyway.
Eminem's new style bothers me so much. If you listen to his older shit, he flows amazingly with content & the song flows with a message. Today he just yells random lines & tries to throw in one punchline or use creative wordplay, like a homeless man's Fabolous.
Listen to "All She Wrote", something recent. He's rambling the entire verse about absolutely nothing; then comes in with "If I was hair & you were bleach, I wouldn't dye for ya." Some lame, Wayne-like style, but even Wayne can be entertaining & be interesting for an entire verse.
Eminem use to have songs where you would listen to a verse & be blown away be every word of it, now you listen to a Em verse & he tries to blow you away with one line out of 16 to 32 of them.
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The bad songs on Encore were REALLY bad lol. Musically it was a dope project though. That was the one album to were the songs were so bad at times I was saying wow he ruined a perfectly dope Dre beat.
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Cham, you seem to be in continued denial that beat selection & guest features must be credited to the MC when ranking an album. It was a choice made, as far as any of us knows, by the person who is named on the album. Until there's major statements released Ross has to be credited with choosing his beats and having guest features.
You're given the beats & select them. Beats like Aston Martin Music's & Maybach Music III's are such no-brainers, any rapper would say, "yes, I will be using that one".
Then you tell Drake you want him to do a hook & he comes with an amazing one; then tell him to write a verse & it outshines both of yours by a thousand times over & then you're going to say, "Wow, Rick, you made a great song. Your verses kind of suit the song, but are fairly weak & you got outshined pretty badly. Also, the beat you picked was amazing, although it was handed to you"? I cannot do that.
I'd say he's the like poor man's Game. Game being pretty bad lyrically, still significantly better than Ross; but for the most part, carried by beats.
You all misunderstood what I meant too. You can say Ross had a better album than Em, but don't tell me Ross's album is in the Top 5. Don't insult Hip Hop like that lmao.
Isn't Recovery in your top 5?
It was, then I played it over & over, then came to the conclusion it was pretty poor & was Eminem's worst album. With that being said, I'd still put it far above Ross's album.
Most of the comments I made when the album first came out, were rushed & me being in denial as a pretty large fan of his. But the same flow, the screaming, overall, it was just below average. It had a few keepers.
aston martin music is the whackest song on telfon don. its so out of place. you have a ridiculous bias and just cant admit that rick ross made a great album. i was a huge ross hater but i will at least admit when im wrong. the first half of deeper than rap was great and telfon don was actually one of the best rap albums of the year.
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^No, the thing is, if he did make it, I would admit it.
It's far from it. You're a major supporter of Southern music, no surprise there.
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^No, the thing is, if he did make it, I would admit it.
It's far from it. You're a major supporter of Southern music, no surprise there.
lmao go cry in your backpack about it. yet another south hater who thinks they are superior.
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^No, the thing is, if he did make it, I would admit it.
It's far from it. You're a major supporter of Southern music, no surprise there.
lmao go cry in your backpack about it. yet another south hater who thinks they are superior.
Cham a backpacker? don't you have to listen to underground hip-hop to be a backpacker?
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i cant take any list seriously with rick ross in it...
and you guys can hate all you want, but kanye deserves to be in the top 5.
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and you guys can hate all you want, but kanye deserves to be in the top 5.
agreedo
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whoa this thread isn't about BitchesBrew and her opinion, you shouldn't even try 2 fight that battle becuz it's no battle, it's shock value and pure bias. pretty much everybody in this thread fan or not has agree'd that Ross has put out one of the most critically acclaimed albums of the year and fan or not you have to admit it's one of the more compelling albums of the year.
1 monkey don't stop no show, ignore her, it's like negotiating with a toddler about which channel to keep the TV on. Drake shits on your favorite rapper so big whoopty whoop that tha nigga blessed the track, but Ross killed it too so whut's it to him [no cop out].
"BMF" was the biggest record of the year easy just like when "I Get Money" came out (that seems so long ago for some reason). It was bigger than any record off of "Recovery" was that's for sure. Tha white kids just ate it up like they usually do but AS FAR AS HIP HOP IN 2010 GOES it's almost safe to say that "BMF" was the biggest record of the year just becuz it was a Trend all in it's self, there wasn't anything on "Recovery" that was even close to that but whut do we know we're just the group and he's just the ant on the outside on the door under the rug that's still wet from last night's rain water ass nigga [no bullshit]. There wasn't anything off of "Recovery" outside of those two singles that you heard, so if we being honest and judging it based on value then we have to be fair . I'm a fan just becuz he's with the regime but honestly Eminem hasn't really done anything in these past couple of years and albums that blew me away.
In fact the only good albums he had was "Infinite" and "The Eminem Show", MMLP was over rated and I never understood tha hype around it, I still don't understand how it was offensive, SSLP was always pretty corny (i just liked Em becuz he was fuckin' wit Dre at that point and I knew he could rip shit when he wanted to). And we all can pretty much agree on "Encore" and "Relapse", while "Recovery" will always seem debatable by die-hard standards. His guest appearances are always pretty hot tho, his albums not so much (i liked "Roman's Revenge").
Actually Dina's list (LMAO!) isn't a bad list, it's actually on point. I don't know about "R.P.M." but honestly I haven't even listened to tha album, i'm not really a Talib fan (Hi Tek be kickin' it tho). I'd say give me "Flockaveli" with tha bonus tracks, i'd say probably "Last Train To Paris" and that new Nipsey are gonna be in tha top 10/top 5 of this year. I might even say "Pink Friday" but I don't know I'm not really tryna give that shit a listen just yet, I haven't found tha mood yet. The end of the year is always when the best music comes out. "Pilot Talk I and II" is an honorable mention for me just becuz of the Instrumentals alone. On my life Curren$y has some of the best music you can get high too (try it!)
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I don't wanna offend anybody here, but 90% of those who bumped Recovery like that have a vagina... I'm just saying, mostly only seen my friends who are girls really enjoy and praise the album outside this forum but that doesn't take away from the dope songs that are still on it
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i cant take any list seriously with rick ross in it...
and you guys can hate all you want, but kanye deserves to be in the top 5.
Bingo.
& Radiotube, success means absolutely nothing. You're a complete moron if you think there was bigger singles than "Not Afraid" & "Love The Way You Lie"; don't prove that you're THAT much of an idiot to debate that.
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i cant take any list seriously with rick ross in it...
and you guys can hate all you want, but kanye deserves to be in the top 5.
Bingo.
& Radiotube, success means absolutely nothing. You're a complete moron if you think there was bigger singles than "Not Afraid" & "Love The Way You Lie"; don't prove that you're THAT much of an idiot to debate that.
yeah but those songs are pussified tracks for chicks to bump, are you saying dudes seriously bump that shit in the car and are proud of it?
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Cham, you seem to be in continued denial that beat selection & guest features must be credited to the MC when ranking an album. It was a choice made, as far as any of us knows, by the person who is named on the album. Until there's major statements released Ross has to be credited with choosing his beats and having guest features.
You're given the beats & select them. Beats like Aston Martin Music's & Maybach Music III's are such no-brainers, any rapper would say, "yes, I will be using that one".
Then you tell Drake you want him to do a hook & he comes with an amazing one; then tell him to write a verse & it outshines both of yours by a thousand times over & then you're going to say, "Wow, Rick, you made a great song. Your verses kind of suit the song, but are fairly weak & you got outshined pretty badly. Also, the beat you picked was amazing, although it was handed to you"? I cannot do that.
I'd say he's the like poor man's Game. Game being pretty bad lyrically, still significantly better than Ross; but for the most part, carried by beats.
You all misunderstood what I meant too. You can say Ross had a better album than Em, but don't tell me Ross's album is in the Top 5. Don't insult Hip Hop like that lmao.
Isn't Recovery in your top 5?
It was, then I played it over & over, then came to the conclusion it was pretty poor & was Eminem's worst album. With that being said, I'd still put it far above Ross's album.
Most of the comments I made when the album first came out, were rushed & me being in denial as a pretty large fan of his. But the same flow, the screaming, overall, it was just below average. It had a few keepers.
aston martin music is the whackest song on telfon don. its so out of place. you have a ridiculous bias and just cant admit that rick ross made a great album. i was a huge ross hater but i will at least admit when im wrong. the first half of deeper than rap was great and telfon don was actually one of the best rap albums of the year.
damn you didn't like "Aston Martin Music" ? :o
I respect the opinion but do you feel that "All The Money In The World" was better? easily the worst track on that album for me
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i cant take any list seriously with rick ross in it...
and you guys can hate all you want, but kanye deserves to be in the top 5.
Bingo.
& Radiotube, success means absolutely nothing. You're a complete moron if you think there was bigger singles than "Not Afraid" & "Love The Way You Lie"; don't prove that you're THAT much of an idiot to debate that.
yeah but those songs are pussified tracks for chicks to bump, are you saying dudes seriously bump that shit in the car and are proud of it?
Not at all, but it doesn't matter.
Success is success; both of those singles are arguably the most successful (sales wise, not talent-wise) singles in the last decade.
Cham, you seem to be in continued denial that beat selection & guest features must be credited to the MC when ranking an album. It was a choice made, as far as any of us knows, by the person who is named on the album. Until there's major statements released Ross has to be credited with choosing his beats and having guest features.
You're given the beats & select them. Beats like Aston Martin Music's & Maybach Music III's are such no-brainers, any rapper would say, "yes, I will be using that one".
Then you tell Drake you want him to do a hook & he comes with an amazing one; then tell him to write a verse & it outshines both of yours by a thousand times over & then you're going to say, "Wow, Rick, you made a great song. Your verses kind of suit the song, but are fairly weak & you got outshined pretty badly. Also, the beat you picked was amazing, although it was handed to you"? I cannot do that.
I'd say he's the like poor man's Game. Game being pretty bad lyrically, still significantly better than Ross; but for the most part, carried by beats.
You all misunderstood what I meant too. You can say Ross had a better album than Em, but don't tell me Ross's album is in the Top 5. Don't insult Hip Hop like that lmao.
Isn't Recovery in your top 5?
It was, then I played it over & over, then came to the conclusion it was pretty poor & was Eminem's worst album. With that being said, I'd still put it far above Ross's album.
Most of the comments I made when the album first came out, were rushed & me being in denial as a pretty large fan of his. But the same flow, the screaming, overall, it was just below average. It had a few keepers.
aston martin music is the whackest song on telfon don. its so out of place. you have a ridiculous bias and just cant admit that rick ross made a great album. i was a huge ross hater but i will at least admit when im wrong. the first half of deeper than rap was great and telfon don was actually one of the best rap albums of the year.
damn you didn't like "Aston Martin Music" ? :o
Dope ass song. 8)
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Radiotube, success means absolutely nothing. You're a moron if you think that.
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i think you've said enough here. can somebody say "cop out", "hater", "been-a-fan", "shock value poster", "obsessed", "piss ant", "stan". i'd rather not go back and forth with this BOT after something like that, it's just like insulting your intelligence; literally. i don't even know whut "i love the way you lie" even sounds like so no, it wasn't 1 of tha biggest singles of tha year. you're on a whole nother planet with this whole "Eminem/Recovery everybody loved this album like a classic or hated it becuz they were haters" fasaad. You're pulling shit outta your ass again, i thought u were past that by now.
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Recovery was wack, just drop it
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Radiotube, success means absolutely nothing. You're a moron if you think that.
-exact words
i think you've said enough here. can somebody say "cop out", "hater", "been-a-fan", "shock value poster", "obsessed", "piss ant", "stan". i'd rather not go back and forth with this BOT after something like that, it's just like insulting your intelligence; literally. i don't even know whut "i love the way you lie" even sounds like so no, it wasn't 1 of tha biggest singles of tha year. you're on a whole nother planet with this whole "Eminem/Recovery everybody loved this album like a classic or hated it becuz they were haters" fasaad. You're pulling shit outta your ass again, i thought u were past that by now.
LOLOLOLOL. Delete your account. How in God's name haven't you been permanently banned yet?
First off, those aren't "exact words" because you cut off the rest of my sentence, dick.
I never said "I Love The Way You Lie" was good, nor did I say Recovery was classic & people hate it because they are haters. I said in this very thread that Recovery was his worst album & wasn't good. Where are those "exact words"? All I said was it was a MUCH bigger single. That's not my opinion, go check the billboards, dumbass. Both his singles, "Not Afriad" & "I Love The Way You Lie" did better numbers than "BMF". According to your logic, Recovery should the best album of the decade lmfao.
Then you said "BMF" was "the biggest single of the year", like that justifies Ross's album as a qualifier for an album of the year. You compared it to "I Get Money", was Curtis album of the year? FUCK NO. You're the biggest idiot on the planet.
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Recovery was wack, just drop it
been said that, that's every1 else. nobody else gets it tho, they think he's serious or they're wondering like what tha fuck. i'm just killin' tha shit (it's dumb). how long can you rave on about an album that's clear that everybody ALREADY knows isn't all that great but yet you're still goin on about it 6 months later like people were supposed to change by now haha!
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^Yeah, that's what I thought..you better dodge that shit.
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I understand what duke means by BMF being "the biggest single" this year. It was the biggest hip-hop record that was on some straight traditional gangsta shit. You know it's hip-hop. It's not some "made for top 40 commercial radio playlist with an r&b hook" like Love The Way You Lie or Not Afraid are for Recovery. Basically, BMF is a straight hip-hop song while Love The Way You Lie & Not Afraid are pop songs at hearts that feature rapped verses. If anything this was the album Eminem sold out on or just totally said fuck it and embraced his love for pop music.
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I understand what duke means by BMF being "the biggest single" this year. It was the biggest hip-hop record that was on some straight traditional gangsta shit. You know it's hip-hop. It's not some "made for top 40 commercial radio playlist with an r&b hook" like Love The Way You Lie or Not Afraid are for Recovery. Basically, BMF is a straight hip-hop song while Love The Way You Lie & Not Afraid are pop songs at hearts that feature rapped verses. If anything this was the album Eminem sold out on or just totally said fuck it and embraced his love for pop music.
Lol @ BMF being straight hip hop. Its your typical mainstream song about getting money and materialism with a southern beat and slow lyrics. How is that any less of a sellout song?
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I understand what duke means by BMF being "the biggest single" this year. It was the biggest hip-hop record that was on some straight traditional gangsta shit. You know it's hip-hop. It's not some "made for top 40 commercial radio playlist with an r&b hook" like Love The Way You Lie or Not Afraid are for Recovery. Basically, BMF is a straight hip-hop song while Love The Way You Lie & Not Afraid are pop songs at hearts that feature rapped verses. If anything this was the album Eminem sold out on or just totally said fuck it and embraced his love for pop music.
+1
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I understand what duke means by BMF being "the biggest single" this year. It was the biggest hip-hop record that was on some straight traditional gangsta shit. You know it's hip-hop. It's not some "made for top 40 commercial radio playlist with an r&b hook" like Love The Way You Lie or Not Afraid are for Recovery. Basically, BMF is a straight hip-hop song while Love The Way You Lie & Not Afraid are pop songs at hearts that feature rapped verses. If anything this was the album Eminem sold out on or just totally said fuck it and embraced his love for pop music.
Lol @ BMF being straight hip hop. Its your typical mainstream song about getting money and materialism with a southern beat and slow lyrics. How is that any less of a sellout song?
But, it was hip-hop even if it was a cliche subject mater for the genre. And, as for the beat, it was dope so I'm not quite on the same page with you. Selling out is based on each artist. Rick Ross didn't sell out because he came into the game on this style and it represents him as an artist where as Eminem's general style on Recovery isn't typical for him as an artist. As I said in the other post if he didn't sell out to please Interscope he found his love for pop music.
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I understand what duke means by BMF being "the biggest single" this year. It was the biggest hip-hop record that was on some straight traditional gangsta shit. You know it's hip-hop. It's not some "made for top 40 commercial radio playlist with an r&b hook" like Love The Way You Lie or Not Afraid are for Recovery. Basically, BMF is a straight hip-hop song while Love The Way You Lie & Not Afraid are pop songs at hearts that feature rapped verses. If anything this was the album Eminem sold out on or just totally said fuck it and embraced his love for pop music.
Lol @ BMF being straight hip hop. Its your typical mainstream song about getting money and materialism with a southern beat and slow lyrics. How is that any less of a sellout song?
But, it was hip-hop even if it was a cliche subject mater for the genre. And, as for the beat, it was dope so I'm not quite on the same page with you. Selling out is based on each artist. Rick Ross didn't sell out because he came into the game on this style and it represents him as an artist where as Eminem's general style on Recovery isn't typical for him as an artist. As I said in the other post if he didn't sell out to please Interscope he found his love for pop music.
If that's what you intended to mean by sellout then I'd have to agree. But lets not pretend like both songs weren't "made for top 40" commercial hits. Both songs were about as commercialized as you can get.
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I understand what duke means by BMF being "the biggest single" this year. It was the biggest hip-hop record that was on some straight traditional gangsta shit. You know it's hip-hop. It's not some "made for top 40 commercial radio playlist with an r&b hook" like Love The Way You Lie or Not Afraid are for Recovery. Basically, BMF is a straight hip-hop song while Love The Way You Lie & Not Afraid are pop songs at hearts that feature rapped verses. If anything this was the album Eminem sold out on or just totally said fuck it and embraced his love for pop music.
Lol @ BMF being straight hip hop. Its your typical mainstream song about getting money and materialism with a southern beat and slow lyrics. How is that any less of a sellout song?
But, it was hip-hop even if it was a cliche subject mater for the genre. And, as for the beat, it was dope so I'm not quite on the same page with you. Selling out is based on each artist. Rick Ross didn't sell out because he came into the game on this style and it represents him as an artist where as Eminem's general style on Recovery isn't typical for him as an artist. As I said in the other post if he didn't sell out to please Interscope he found his love for pop music.
If that's what you intended to mean by sellout then I'd have to agree. But lets not pretend like both songs weren't "made for top 40" commercial hits. Both songs were about as commercialized as you can get.
i cant agree they are made for top 40 to the same extent. they are clearly for 2 different markets. you could pick any rick ross song and say that by that logic. i understand what you are saying though, but ross is really for hip hop listeners whereas eminems songs are clearly for the straight up pop listener.
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BMF was a mixtape song that got more buzz than the real single so they released it as a single.
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Another honorable mention:
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No, no, no. Radiotube has been talking for years about how success & doing well is what makes you good.
He meant "BMF" was the biggest, best single because it did the best in sales & it didn't. Regardless, having the best single, even if it's very much Hip Hop is irrelevant if the rest of the album is whatever.
& still, going by this logic that one single makes your album relevant for discussion in "album of the year", I guess Lloyd Banks easily had one of the best albums with his "Hip Hop" major single.
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I understand what duke means by BMF being "the biggest single" this year. It was the biggest hip-hop record that was on some straight traditional gangsta shit. You know it's hip-hop. It's not some "made for top 40 commercial radio playlist with an r&b hook" like Love The Way You Lie or Not Afraid are for Recovery. Basically, BMF is a straight hip-hop song while Love The Way You Lie & Not Afraid are pop songs at hearts that feature rapped verses. If anything this was the album Eminem sold out on or just totally said fuck it and embraced his love for pop music.
Lol @ BMF being straight hip hop. Its your typical mainstream song about getting money and materialism with a southern beat and slow lyrics. How is that any less of a sellout song?
But, it was hip-hop even if it was a cliche subject mater for the genre. And, as for the beat, it was dope so I'm not quite on the same page with you. Selling out is based on each artist. Rick Ross didn't sell out because he came into the game on this style and it represents him as an artist where as Eminem's general style on Recovery isn't typical for him as an artist. As I said in the other post if he didn't sell out to please Interscope he found his love for pop music.
If that's what you intended to mean by sellout then I'd have to agree. But lets not pretend like both songs weren't "made for top 40" commercial hits. Both songs were about as commercialized as you can get.
i cant agree they are made for top 40 to the same extent. they are clearly for 2 different markets. you could pick any rick ross song and say that by that logic. i understand what you are saying though, but ross is really for hip hop listeners whereas eminems songs are clearly for the straight up pop listener.
Em is rapping on that track. So I'd assume they'd have to be fans of rap to like that song.
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Eminem is an exception, sadly probably cause he's white, where people will love his music and then hate rap. I constantly hear "I hate rap but love Eminem." Recently, Jay-Z & Kanye West are the other artist that's manage to escape being pigeoned by the term rap.
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wow are u really gonna lie and twist my words up just 2 get me 2 respond 2 (....desperate). *leaving the thread* look "bruh" i'm not ur pen-pal, ur sick foreal.
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enough with the hype. Snipe that shit like wesley. What about the underground top 5? Fuck the mainstream.
1. Brotha Lynch Hung - Dinner and a Movie
2. Twiztid - Heartbroken & Homicidal
3. Tech N9ne - Seepage
4. Axe Murder Boyz - Gods Hand
5. Kurupt - Street Lights
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I understand what duke means by BMF being "the biggest single" this year. It was the biggest hip-hop record that was on some straight traditional gangsta shit. You know it's hip-hop. It's not some "made for top 40 commercial radio playlist with an r&b hook" like Love The Way You Lie or Not Afraid are for Recovery. Basically, BMF is a straight hip-hop song while Love The Way You Lie & Not Afraid are pop songs at hearts that feature rapped verses. If anything this was the album Eminem sold out on or just totally said fuck it and embraced his love for pop music.
Lol @ BMF being straight hip hop. Its your typical mainstream song about getting money and materialism with a southern beat and slow lyrics. How is that any less of a sellout song?
But, it was hip-hop even if it was a cliche subject mater for the genre. And, as for the beat, it was dope so I'm not quite on the same page with you. Selling out is based on each artist. Rick Ross didn't sell out because he came into the game on this style and it represents him as an artist where as Eminem's general style on Recovery isn't typical for him as an artist. As I said in the other post if he didn't sell out to please Interscope he found his love for pop music.
If that's what you intended to mean by sellout then I'd have to agree. But lets not pretend like both songs weren't "made for top 40" commercial hits. Both songs were about as commercialized as you can get.
i cant agree they are made for top 40 to the same extent. they are clearly for 2 different markets. you could pick any rick ross song and say that by that logic. i understand what you are saying though, but ross is really for hip hop listeners whereas eminems songs are clearly for the straight up pop listener.
Em is rapping on that track. So I'd assume they'd have to be fans of rap to like that song.
not really, there are music listeners who don't really like rap that much, but do like some singles like In da club
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I understand what duke means by BMF being "the biggest single" this year. It was the biggest hip-hop record that was on some straight traditional gangsta shit. You know it's hip-hop. It's not some "made for top 40 commercial radio playlist with an r&b hook" like Love The Way You Lie or Not Afraid are for Recovery. Basically, BMF is a straight hip-hop song while Love The Way You Lie & Not Afraid are pop songs at hearts that feature rapped verses. If anything this was the album Eminem sold out on or just totally said fuck it and embraced his love for pop music.
Lol @ BMF being straight hip hop. Its your typical mainstream song about getting money and materialism with a southern beat and slow lyrics. How is that any less of a sellout song?
But, it was hip-hop even if it was a cliche subject mater for the genre. And, as for the beat, it was dope so I'm not quite on the same page with you. Selling out is based on each artist. Rick Ross didn't sell out because he came into the game on this style and it represents him as an artist where as Eminem's general style on Recovery isn't typical for him as an artist. As I said in the other post if he didn't sell out to please Interscope he found his love for pop music.
If that's what you intended to mean by sellout then I'd have to agree. But lets not pretend like both songs weren't "made for top 40" commercial hits. Both songs were about as commercialized as you can get.
i cant agree they are made for top 40 to the same extent. they are clearly for 2 different markets. you could pick any rick ross song and say that by that logic. i understand what you are saying though, but ross is really for hip hop listeners whereas eminems songs are clearly for the straight up pop listener.
Em is rapping on that track. So I'd assume they'd have to be fans of rap to like that song.
cmon dude you know that isnt true dont play dumb. people who hate rap fucking love eminem and especially those songs.
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I understand what duke means by BMF being "the biggest single" this year. It was the biggest hip-hop record that was on some straight traditional gangsta shit. You know it's hip-hop. It's not some "made for top 40 commercial radio playlist with an r&b hook" like Love The Way You Lie or Not Afraid are for Recovery. Basically, BMF is a straight hip-hop song while Love The Way You Lie & Not Afraid are pop songs at hearts that feature rapped verses. If anything this was the album Eminem sold out on or just totally said fuck it and embraced his love for pop music.
Lol @ BMF being straight hip hop. Its your typical mainstream song about getting money and materialism with a southern beat and slow lyrics. How is that any less of a sellout song?
But, it was hip-hop even if it was a cliche subject mater for the genre. And, as for the beat, it was dope so I'm not quite on the same page with you. Selling out is based on each artist. Rick Ross didn't sell out because he came into the game on this style and it represents him as an artist where as Eminem's general style on Recovery isn't typical for him as an artist. As I said in the other post if he didn't sell out to please Interscope he found his love for pop music.
If that's what you intended to mean by sellout then I'd have to agree. But lets not pretend like both songs weren't "made for top 40" commercial hits. Both songs were about as commercialized as you can get.
i cant agree they are made for top 40 to the same extent. they are clearly for 2 different markets. you could pick any rick ross song and say that by that logic. i understand what you are saying though, but ross is really for hip hop listeners whereas eminems songs are clearly for the straight up pop listener.
Em is rapping on that track. So I'd assume they'd have to be fans of rap to like that song.
cmon dude you know that isnt true dont play dumb. people who hate rap fucking love eminem and especially those songs.
But they love him for his status and his white boy gimmick. The music he makes isn't any more pop than other mainstream rappers.
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I understand what duke means by BMF being "the biggest single" this year. It was the biggest hip-hop record that was on some straight traditional gangsta shit. You know it's hip-hop. It's not some "made for top 40 commercial radio playlist with an r&b hook" like Love The Way You Lie or Not Afraid are for Recovery. Basically, BMF is a straight hip-hop song while Love The Way You Lie & Not Afraid are pop songs at hearts that feature rapped verses. If anything this was the album Eminem sold out on or just totally said fuck it and embraced his love for pop music.
Lol @ BMF being straight hip hop. Its your typical mainstream song about getting money and materialism with a southern beat and slow lyrics. How is that any less of a sellout song?
But, it was hip-hop even if it was a cliche subject mater for the genre. And, as for the beat, it was dope so I'm not quite on the same page with you. Selling out is based on each artist. Rick Ross didn't sell out because he came into the game on this style and it represents him as an artist where as Eminem's general style on Recovery isn't typical for him as an artist. As I said in the other post if he didn't sell out to please Interscope he found his love for pop music.
If that's what you intended to mean by sellout then I'd have to agree. But lets not pretend like both songs weren't "made for top 40" commercial hits. Both songs were about as commercialized as you can get.
i cant agree they are made for top 40 to the same extent. they are clearly for 2 different markets. you could pick any rick ross song and say that by that logic. i understand what you are saying though, but ross is really for hip hop listeners whereas eminems songs are clearly for the straight up pop listener.
Em is rapping on that track. So I'd assume they'd have to be fans of rap to like that song.
cmon dude you know that isnt true dont play dumb. people who hate rap fucking love eminem and especially those songs.
But they love him for his status and his white boy gimmick. The music he makes isn't any more pop than other mainstream rappers.
if you dont think 'im not afraid' is the most 'we are the world' bullshit ever then i really dont know what to say. i guess we will just have to disagree
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I understand what duke means by BMF being "the biggest single" this year. It was the biggest hip-hop record that was on some straight traditional gangsta shit. You know it's hip-hop. It's not some "made for top 40 commercial radio playlist with an r&b hook" like Love The Way You Lie or Not Afraid are for Recovery. Basically, BMF is a straight hip-hop song while Love The Way You Lie & Not Afraid are pop songs at hearts that feature rapped verses. If anything this was the album Eminem sold out on or just totally said fuck it and embraced his love for pop music.
Lol @ BMF being straight hip hop. Its your typical mainstream song about getting money and materialism with a southern beat and slow lyrics. How is that any less of a sellout song?
But, it was hip-hop even if it was a cliche subject mater for the genre. And, as for the beat, it was dope so I'm not quite on the same page with you. Selling out is based on each artist. Rick Ross didn't sell out because he came into the game on this style and it represents him as an artist where as Eminem's general style on Recovery isn't typical for him as an artist. As I said in the other post if he didn't sell out to please Interscope he found his love for pop music.
If that's what you intended to mean by sellout then I'd have to agree. But lets not pretend like both songs weren't "made for top 40" commercial hits. Both songs were about as commercialized as you can get.
i cant agree they are made for top 40 to the same extent. they are clearly for 2 different markets. you could pick any rick ross song and say that by that logic. i understand what you are saying though, but ross is really for hip hop listeners whereas eminems songs are clearly for the straight up pop listener.
Em is rapping on that track. So I'd assume they'd have to be fans of rap to like that song.
cmon dude you know that isnt true dont play dumb. people who hate rap fucking love eminem and especially those songs.
But they love him for his status and his white boy gimmick. The music he makes isn't any more pop than other mainstream rappers.
if you dont think 'im not afraid' is the most 'we are the world' bullshit ever then i really dont know what to say. i guess we will just have to disagree
That's not what I said ;)
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Eminem didn't make anything good this year or these past couple years (nothing like the Eminem Show days). It's average at best and when u get past the triple stack bars then u realize it's nothing important (just like the old Bone Thugs tapes). U had 2 be a die hard Eminem fan to really enjoy this album point blank. If you disagree that's probably becuz Eminem is YOUR HERO and to me Eminem IS NOT MY HERO. He did his thing but at tha end of tha day it's just not good enuff.
He finally got a little serious and whut... I'm supposed to automatically bandwagon it, not, how about most rappers have been doing whut Eminem had finally done here with this album. He's pushing 50 still talkin about his High School Baby Mother, it's a corny shtick and a lousy gimmick just 2 get people 2 relate to him or feel some sorta compassion 4 him (maybe the little white children will eat it up but not tha common person). And please refrain from tha "all rappers rap about tha same shit all of the time", true but at least niggaz will change up when they do, all u get with Eminem is Kim & Hailey.
See, Eminem was NEVER a SERIOUS MC it was always abuncha jokes mixed up with twisted humor and Dr. Dre beats (all talent aside; focusing only on the body of work by him). He never said anything that I could really relate to, he just never had those records. And whut now I'm supposed to be like "oh yeah man, Eminem's shit is hot, he's serious, it's no jokes, it's all triple toned bars, and he finally started working with other producers so yeah man it's fuckin' outta this world dude"... no. I'm not a hater. We finally got a chance 2 see whut he sounded like without the regime behind him and it wasn't anything spectacular, in fact it was kinda dry, even tha guest appearances sucked.
There were much better albums that came out this year (and last year and the year before that) that put "Recovery" on the bottom of the list. Truthfully, "Recovery" is probably somewhere in tha bottom 125 (if that) if u include the "mixtapes/street albums". It was nothing catchy, nothing amusing, nothing fresh, all we got was tha same ol' depressed white boy who's still OBSESSED with his Baby's Momma from over a decade ago (where I come from we call that "sucker shit").
To be honest I was dissapointed how Eminem has turned out over these past couple of years, I'm actually kinda hurt that it's so wack. Those "Source" tapes didn't mean anything to me, in fact I laughed like shit when i heard em becuz they were so corny. But the Eminem of tha past 5 years has been disapointing and lack luster to say tha least. "I'm tired of these old rappers tryna advance, it's all over now take it like a man", words Eminem (and frankly alot of Entertainers) should take heed to. Eminem has that STRONG LOYAL FAN BASE going for him, which is why this album sold so much (he's got tha same audience that Justin Beiber has and a little more) and why Beiber is still sellin 300K a week is beyond me but that goes to show u whut I mean with tha fan base, Eminem has that and he's very powerful with that behind him (he really can't fuck shit up at this point). He has no real buzz in tha hood it's all in tha suburbs like a muthafucka.
And there's more to say but why, it doesn't really mean anything, he's gonna sell and he's not gonna come with anything people would call "wack" on a feature and his next album will probably be a little better (maybe) so it's all good but as far as his material is concerned, tha last part of this decade has been weak for Eminem, totally weak.
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EM is now a product of the Jimmy Iovine, he probably ghost wrote every verse EM put out since relapse