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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: love33 on December 02, 2010, 10:55:14 AM
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Why aren't Daz and Kurupt motivated to make good mainstream music thats absorbed by the masses? Dre and Snoop want everyone to hear and listen to their music and they are motivated to put out quality content that everyone listens to. E-40 and Too Short drop hit records from time to time that the masses loves to hear. On the other hand, Daz and Kurupt have let themselves slip off into mediocrity since 2001. Now Daz was going to drop a classic on So So Def and most of the material was legit but he went behind Jermaine Dupri's back and dropped an indy album so JD couldn't establish his buzz with that indy album sitting on the shelves so JD just dropped the album with no promotion and let Daz off his contract. Other than that minor push, I have seen absolutely no effort from them to get back into people's stereos around the country.
Why drop 5 albums that nobody listens to when you could drop one album in 4 years that has hits allover it and played by everyone in their stereos and in the club?
With all that talent, I don't understand one bit why Daz and Kurupt would just let their careers slip off into the sewers and not have any motivation to put out hit records when you see Dre and Snoop playing for nothing less than hit records.
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...Now Daz was going to drop a classic on So So Def and most of the material was legit but he went behind Jermaine Dupri's back and dropped an indy album so JD couldn't establish his buzz with that indy album sitting on the shelves so JD just dropped the album with no promotion and let Daz off his contract...
That would totally explain the lack of promotion for that So So Gangsta shit... never knew that
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Yeah but Daz makes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on his own and does a few guest spots on Snoopy's stuff too.
Kurupt is underground so that makes his mainstream stuff have clout when he drops it (whatever ppl think of his stuff).
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taht's bullshit, sorry. they never made mainstream music. they only successful with dogg food in '95 because gangsta rap was popular at the time. I hated when Snoop and them tried to bring em back to the "bigger audience" with that Cali Iz Active album. I mean sure, there were some cool songs on it, but a lot of boring songs also. Plus it had their weakest lyrics ever. It's not that they always were the greatest philosophers (at least Kurupt could be) but I think bothwere really pointless and ridiculously foul-mouthed on many tracks. Dogg Chit whereas, was the real deal imo. True west coast gangsta rap from the first to the last track. Just my opinion.
They can't blow up anymore anyway, these times are over. People don't buy this type of rap musc no more. And we all know what happens when rappers try to change their style and swim the mainstream, shit gets wack. There are only a few people who never went wack doin that, E-40 for example and that's because he always repped where he was from and sill pushed his lingo.
In my humble opinion, Kurupt is the only one of these two who at least has the ability to become more famous again, if he would start writing with more purpose and sense. I mean he's good at "eatin" rappers or checkin bitches. But if he tried to be a little controversive, political or at least critical sometimes, if he tried to spit some grown man lyrics, that would be awsome. But I guess both will rap about straps and bitches until they can't hold a mic no more. Not that I care, I can enjoys some tracks of the new album, but I'm not too excited when they drop new music because I already know wat they're gonna be saying. I only check the new stuff in hope for some tight beats (which Daz is still capable of) and some cool Kurupt verses.
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They can't blow up anymore anyway, these times are over. People don't buy this type of rap musc no more. And we all know what happens when rappers try to change their style and swim the mainstream, shit gets wack. There are only a few people who never went wack doin that, E-40 for example and that's because he always repped where he was from and sill pushed his lingo.
In my humble opinion, Kurupt is the only one of these two who at least has the ability to become more famous again, if he would start writing with more purpose and sense. I mean he's good at "eatin" rappers or checkin bitches. But if he tried to be a little controversive, political or at least critical sometimes, if he tried to spit some grown man lyrics, that would be awsome. But I guess both will rap about straps and bitches until they can't hold a mic no more. Not that I care, I can enjoys some tracks of the new album, but I'm not too excited when they drop new music because I already know wat they're gonna be saying. I only check the new stuff in hope for some tight beats (which Daz is still capable of) and some cool Kurupt verses.
People buy into good music, so whether it's "gangsta" rap or "pop" music as long as it's good/catchy/LIKABLE then there's really no problem. You just actually have 2 be capable of combining the modern with the retro with whut u know (Daz has done that on more okaysions than 1 while Kurupt has been more like "fuck it, I got a name, I'll put something out").
It's up 2 them not everybody else, if the direction they went into is whut thay WANTED to do then let them (they always had that "underground" sound, mainstream is nothing but a fake word really, i mean there's a sound to it kinda but not really, u just have 2 make something jammin' that'll get tha party live instantly, that's not selling out). And they should Rap about whatever they want but it's just gotta be good, like that gangsta shit is cool but how interesting/catchy can u make it ukno. "On Some Real Shit" was a perfect example. As long as they don't start gettin' all corny and shit I'm fine (plastic beats, skim thru lyrics, etc). I'd love 2 hear Tha Dogg Pound over some beats by Curren$y's people, their styles kinda mix well (at least in my head 4 now). But I can't lie tho, u r right 4 tha most part.
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yalll full of shitt when we hit that stage who can proform longer wit hits not 1 song
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I think alot of fans don't know what the fuck they want.
When DPG tried a new sound (Cali Iz Active for example) yall did not like it
When DPG goes back to their traditional sound (Dogg Chit, 100 Wayz, etc) yall say they living in the past
When DPG does not drop anything yall say man why don't they drop new music.
Can't have it both ways, which one is it? Name a crew on the west that almost consistently drops 2-5 projects a year like DPGC does.
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I love tha doggpound, always will. I guess I just guage my passion 4 music a little higher, like sum of tha shit that goes on I dont get becuz tha shit doesnt make sense to me. U cant make everybody happy so it is whut it is, they just need 2 sign sum niggaz from Baltimore, its a fresh refreshing brand new form of REAL gangsta music out there, plus everybody knows Tha Dogg Pound Gangsta Crips out there. But they havent let their legacy slip, dreams only last forever in heaven.
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I agree.....with it
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taht's bullshit, sorry. they never made mainstream music.
Are you kiddin me? Kurupt was the big talk of Doggystyle with his verses and Dogg Pound "Dogg Food" was a huge mainstream album. You don't just make $100,000 videos for an album if it ain't mainstream -- "Lets Play House" was the smash and "New York New York" were huge. Daz and Kurupt were mainstream from the time The Chronic dropped through the 90's. Kurupt had a huge video and everything with "We Can Freak It" and he had "It's Over" all over MTV off Space Boogie and he had "Where I Wanna Be" video rotating with Shade Sheist, and he had "Behind The Walls" on MTV in full rotation with Nate Dogg. All those were mainstream hits.
Daz's last hit was "Party People" ft. Jagged Edge which was supposed to be on 'So So Gangsta' and it didn't make the final album, the song was a huge radio hit but Daz never got to reap the longterm benefits due to his fallout with Jermaine Dupri.
Daz, on the other hand, his last big mainstream album was his debut "Retaliation, Revenge, and Get Back" where he went Gold and had "In California" and "It Might Sound Crazy." Tha Dogg Pounds last big hit was "Change The Game Remix" which was on "Tha Dogg Pound 2002" album.
My question is that why don't they want to keep pumping out the hits and use their status and get back into people's stereos instead of all this backyard music that nobody even knows exists, has little to no promotion, and has little appeal to get pumped on the radio or the club. At least Dre, Snoop, Too Short, and E-40 are in the clubs and on the radios with their music, Tha Dogg Pound needs to get back into that mode or their legacies are just diminishing.
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Big snoop dogg said in an interview on this website that "rataliation"
only sold 300,000........never went gold.....
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There are only a few people who never went wack doin that, E-40 for example and that's because he always repped where he was from and sill pushed his lingo.
Funny how Snoop, Too Short, E-40, Dr. Dre, and Game can make hits in any era of music and all these other rappers got a list of excuses
40 got all kinds of hits from "Yeaah" with Sean Paul, "U and Dat" with T-Pain, "Tell Me When To Go," "Wake It Up" ft. Akon, "Nothin To A Boss" with Short & Snoop
Now Too Short he pumps out hits left and right I heard him on the Toot It & Boot It remix with Snoop at the club, he's on Kendra's theme song on E!, they play "Blow The Whistle" and "Shake That Monkey" all the time at the club -- "Life Of The Party" and "Keep Bouncin" with Snoop are huge club tracks..and "Bia Bia" with Luda and Lil jon....I heard "Show Me What You Workin Wit" Short and 40 at the club in a mix........he's a certified OG who makes hits in any era of music
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Big snoop dogg said in an interview on this website that "rataliation"
only sold 300,000........never went gold.....
It's been certified GOLD by the RIAA. Suge even said it went Gold. In the 15 Years on Death Row double cd with the Bonus Cuts it talks about how the sales started slipping after Daz's Retaliation, Revenge, and Get Back went GOLD cause they were used to the albums going to PLATINUM all the time also THE CHRONIC 2000 was Gold (it sold 250k and was a double disc so it counts 2 units/sale)
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daz never went "gold" solo.
corruption wit the soundscan-digits. it happens sometimes..
Death Row bought alot of copies themselves..
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I'd much rather the Dogg Pound stick to their original style than trying to make some bullshit just to try and get on the radio. Even if they did this everyone would still bitch and moan that they have sold out.
100 Wayz was fire and most of the Dogg Pound albums that drop are tight.
I think it's funny you consider Too $hort is still dropping hits, he hasn't put out any quality music in a long time.
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Here we go again…
Now Daz was going to drop a classic on So So Def and most of the material was legit but he went behind Jermaine Dupri's back and dropped an indy album so JD couldn't establish his buzz with that indy album sitting on the shelves so JD just dropped the album with no promotion and let Daz off his contract.
Incorrect. Daz signed with Dupri back in 2003. Between then and when So So Gangsta dropped in 2006, he dropped three solo albums, an extended LP re-release of an EP, and several other indy projects with his name attached. He did not go behind Dupri’s back. If Dupri had an exclusive contract with Daz as a solo artist, these releases would have been a violation of the contract and could be used as an excuse to either sue Daz, block the unauthorized albums from being released, or have him dropped from the label.
Your theory makes no logical sense. For JD to invest money into having the album released but intentionally cutting the promotion because he’s soar at Daz doesn’t work. He’s not gonna fuck up his own money just to spite his artist. Neither Dupri or the record companies are suckers enough to let Daz fuck them on points for four projects. Daz’s explanation at the time was that he only had a one-album deal on So So Def, which would explain why they waited all that time and continued to let him release projects through his own independent label. Given how things played out, this would seem to be the case.
Are you kiddin me? Kurupt was the big talk of Doggystyle with his verses and Dogg Pound "Dogg Food" was a huge mainstream album.
Everything Death Row was doing in that time was huge. Dogg Pound had built a strong following as being not only part of the label but as being Snoop’s clique. They were selling off the strength of that. Not unlike how members of G-Unit blew up off of how hot 50 Cent was in 2003-05.
Kurupt had a huge video and everything with "We Can Freak It" and he had "It's Over" all over MTV off Space Boogie and he had "Where I Wanna Be" video rotating with Shade Sheist, and he had "Behind The Walls" on MTV in full rotation with Nate Dogg. All those were mainstream hits.
No, they were most certainly not. You have a hazy recollection of that time period, homie. This was literally at the height of my love for Kurupt music when I was preaching about him to everyone I knew and while they occasionally showed “It’s Over” and “Behind the Walls” on Direct Effect (MTV’s rap music program that aired after TRL), neither one was ever in regular rotation as a requested video. They were being pushed but they weren’t consistently part of the video countdown. I know because I would tape that show quite frequently hoping to get the “It’s Over” video after I saw it and they never played it so FULL ROTATION is a bit of an overstatement.
Daz's last hit was "Party People" ft. Jagged Edge which was supposed to be on 'So So Gangsta' and it didn't make the final album, the song was a huge radio hit but Daz never got to reap the longterm benefits due to his fallout with Jermaine Dupri.
Once again, you’re incorrect. It wasn’t a huge radio hit. It dropped in summer 2003 with limited airplay. I don’t even think it got a single spin in any North East markets. There was no fallout with JD. He popped up in the video for “Tipsy” with the rest of the roster, less than a year later.
Funny how Snoop, Too Short, E-40, Dr. Dre, and Game can make hits in any era of music and all these other rappers got a list of excuses
Game can make hits in any era? His discography of albums only spans about three years and change. In that time, his returns have diminished significantly on each album. He’s a popular rapper whose loyal fanbase has kept him relevant. You seemed to have that confused with being a record-breaking chart-topper who drops nothing but #1 hits.
Again, you seem to have trouble shaking the idea that your local market is the pulse of the national music scene. You think because a DJ at a club you frequent plays a song and people love it that that means it’s a national hit. There’s a level of delusion there. Of the artists you named the only one that can tour nationally and pull stadium and arena venues in nearly every market as a headliner is Dr. Dre. He’s the only one doing sell-out shows at major venues and to be fair, that was 10 years ago but I’d say given the level of impact he’s had and the interest he’s still able to generate, he could do equal or better if he decides to take “Detox” on tour.
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Here we go again…
Now Daz was going to drop a classic on So So Def and most of the material was legit but he went behind Jermaine Dupri's back and dropped an indy album so JD couldn't establish his buzz with that indy album sitting on the shelves so JD just dropped the album with no promotion and let Daz off his contract.
Incorrect. Daz signed with Dupri back in 2003. Between then and when So So Gangsta dropped in 2006, he dropped three solo albums, an extended LP re-release of an EP, and several other indy projects with his name attached. He did not go behind Dupri’s back. If Dupri had an exclusive contract with Daz as a solo artist, these releases would have been a violation of the contract and could be used as an excuse to either sue Daz, block the unauthorized albums from being released, or have him dropped from the label.
Your theory makes no logical sense. For JD to invest money into having the album released but intentionally cutting the promotion because he’s soar at Daz doesn’t work. He’s not gonna fuck up his own money just to spite his artist. Neither Dupri or the record companies are suckers enough to let Daz fuck them on points for four projects. Daz’s explanation at the time was that he only had a one-album deal on So So Def, which would explain why they waited all that time and continued to let him release projects through his own independent label. Given how things played out, this would seem to be the case.
I don't want to stir this up but I did read on Daz's own site that Nate wouldn't let him use his tracks on So So Gangsta because Daz owed him $50,000 for hooks. Not sure if that's why 'Boyz N Da Hood' didn't make the cut, perhaps they got sorted (or that never should've made the news back then anyway) by the time of release and there was another reason behind it. A Nate track would've been potentially massive.
Daz's last hit was "Party People" ft. Jagged Edge which was supposed to be on 'So So Gangsta' and it didn't make the final album, the song was a huge radio hit but Daz never got to reap the longterm benefits due to his fallout with Jermaine Dupri.
Once again, you’re incorrect. It wasn’t a huge radio hit. It dropped in summer 2003 with limited airplay. I don’t even think it got a single spin in any North East markets. There was no fallout with JD. He popped up in the video for “Tipsy” with the rest of the roster, less than a year later.
Yeah but I gotta pull you on somethin, there was a fallout because Daz sent a bit Fucc U to JD on his Makaveli & Dillinger 2 tape last year. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I'd like to know why that was anyway.
Game can make hits in any era? His discography of albums only spans about three years and change
Lol'd at that too ;D
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All that I need was a hit or not ? Either way, that was a song with huge mainstream potential imo
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I don't want to stir this up but I did read on Daz's own site that Nate wouldn't let him use his tracks on So So Gangsta because Daz owed him $50,000 for hooks. Not sure if that's why 'Boyz N Da Hood' didn't make the cut, perhaps they got sorted (or that never should've made the news back then anyway) by the time of release and there was another reason behind it. A Nate track would've been potentially massive.
Think you might have that mixed up from when Kronik, the guy who ran his site at the time, fielded a question about why Nate wasn't working with Daz and he made some comment about Nate wanting 50 G'z. I believe it was in 2003-04 because it was when 50 Cent came out and a lot of people on the forum mistakenly interpreted it as Nate wasn't working with Daz because of 50 Cent.
Yeah but I gotta pull you on somethin, there was a fallout because Daz sent a bit Fucc U to JD on his Makaveli & Dillinger 2 tape last year. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I'd like to know why that was anyway.
News to me but that still wouldn't indicate a fallout when he was actually on the label and making the record.
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JD got mad at daz cus he leaked alot of the stuff, recorded for the first version of "so so gangsta". there's 2 versions of "so so gangsta".
Daz kinda messed it up for himself on So So Def.. least what i heard..
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If Kurupt was the one signing to SoSO Def instead of DAz things would have been different!
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I still think if they had signed to Cash Money when they had the chance they could have blown up again.
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I still think if they had signed to Cash Money when they had the chance they could have blown up again.
nah I dont think so , Tha Dogg Pound (Daz & Kurupt) are part of the 90s just like The Luniz , as a group they had one succesful album and thats it, then Kurupt blew on his own a little but as a group thats pretty much it. Kurupt should work more with Pete Rock though , going back to his Philly ways could make him one of the best lyricist in hiphop..
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I don't want to stir this up but I did read on Daz's own site that Nate wouldn't let him use his tracks on So So Gangsta because Daz owed him $50,000 for hooks. Not sure if that's why 'Boyz N Da Hood' didn't make the cut, perhaps they got sorted (or that never should've made the news back then anyway) by the time of release and there was another reason behind it. A Nate track would've been potentially massive.
Think you might have that mixed up from when Kronik, the guy who ran his site at the time, fielded a question about why Nate wasn't working with Daz and he made some comment about Nate wanting 50 G'z. I believe it was in 2003-04 because it was when 50 Cent came out and a lot of people on the forum mistakenly interpreted it as Nate wasn't working with Daz because of 50 Cent.
Yeah but I gotta pull you on somethin, there was a fallout because Daz sent a bit Fucc U to JD on his Makaveli & Dillinger 2 tape last year. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I'd like to know why that was anyway.
News to me but that still wouldn't indicate a fallout when he was actually on the label and making the record.
You're probably right bout that first bit mate - I'll try and dig for the comment anyway as it's of interest :)
Check out that Mixtape it's floatin round online. Shame JD never did an interview talking bout any beef or whatever?
@imsohappy, what's the second version of So So Gangsta you mention? You mean that 'So So Unreleased' bootleg or one of the Sampler EP's that came out??
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Incorrect. Daz signed with Dupri back in 2003. Between then and when So So Gangsta dropped in 2006, he dropped three solo albums, an extended LP re-release of an EP, and several other indy projects with his name attached. He did not go behind Dupri’s back. If Dupri had an exclusive contract with Daz as a solo artist, these releases would have been a violation of the contract and could be used as an excuse to either sue Daz, block the unauthorized albums from being released, or have him dropped from the label.
Before you jump on Daz's side, I'm calling it down the middle, here's what happened: Yes, Daz did sign to So So Def but it was a ONE ALBUM DEAL. Next, JD gave him the right to release albums on the side with the deal because they didn't know how long the album would take to produce and when exactly they would release it and JD didn't want to have Daz in a deal that would freeze his career for years with the thinking that when they did get around to releasing the album that Daz would want to promote it hard and not release a bunch of indy albums to water down the buzz. Next, "Party People" featuring Jagged Edge was a HUGE hit in the LA Radio market, which is the third largest media market in the country, they played the track on POWER 106 constantly. Next, there were A LOT of other tracks recorded for the album that didn't make the cut. To name a few: "It's My Thang" ft. Kurupt (which was actually released as a single), "Git Drunk," "Do U Wanna," "Put That Chronic In The Air," "I'm Hot," "Boyz N Da Hood" (Nate Dogg track), "Smoke," "Now Datz Gangsta," "The One" (also featuring Jagged Edge and did make the final album but there's also a version that features T.I. and Cee-Lo), "Bigg O Butt," "We Mean Buziness," there's A LOT more but there's also a version of "All That I Need" that has Snoop and Kurupt on it.
Meanwhile, JD told Daz he was shooting for early 2006 and Daz releases two indy albums and starts promoting them in his interviews and so JD pushes back So So Gangsta to late 2006 so he can establish a buzz for his artist and build up anticipation, "Party People" had mad spins on the radio and even hit #1 in the LA Market, meanwhile Daz keeps promoting the indy albums in interviews then he drops Tha Dogg Pound “Cali Iz Active.” JD gets pissed off and finally gives up (he can’t establish a buzz for an artist who keeps dropping indy albums). He packages it with the minimal 12 tracks on it with minimal promotion and 1 single, drops it to get Daz off his contract and out of his way. What could have been one of the biggest albums of the year ended up being a contract issue.
JD arranged for all these huge names like T.I., Rick Ross, and Jagged Edge and Daz got Ice Cube to do a track and JD even secured Scott Storch, the album was going to be a huge hit. The singles were "Git Drunk," (produced by Scott storch) "Its My Thang" ft. Kurupt, "All That I Need," and "Boyz N Da Hood" with Nate Dogg. JD and Daz get everything arranged and JD begins to build up the buzz for the album and books Daz for 106 and Park and a bunch of other hot spot venues. Daz treated So So Gangsta as a pet side project where JD was lookin to give him the big mainstream push his career needed hence securing all the top names and producers.
I'm not even going to go back and forth with you on the other shit because everyone who watched MTV back then saw "We Can Freak It" allover MTV and I remember myself seeing Kurupt on there with his former girl doing "It's Over" and the video was on MTV and so was "Behind The Walls." Also, I remember "The Streetz Iz A Mutha" 1 or 2 tracks getting spins on the radio right around the Up In Smoke era. To say Kurupt wasn't mainstream is senseless -- dude was mainstream in every sense of the word mainstream.
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In my humble opinion, Kurupt is the only one of these two who at least has the ability to become more famous again
Kurupt could do it and can have a great legacy because he is a very skillful MC, and he always has raw talent to fall back on,
if he wants to do more lyrical stuff again
Daz was never really a lyrical rapper, but he could sound cool back in the day, but that's not his strong point.
The problem with Daz is all his dopest production was either working with Dre or back when he was on Death Row and had
access to the best session musicians and the most expensive mixing facilities and everything to make his stuff.
Daz's thing now is hustling, putting out loads of product to sell a certain amount, he doesn't care about legacy I don't think,
and he could only get back to that standard if he's not just making beats on his computer at home, he would need the
full studio, musicians, etc.
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lmao delusional fucks
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lmao delusional fucks
so true.
Kurupt was slightly "mainstream" 4 a second, he was just a "gangsta rapper" and he played his role (plus who didn't know who Kurupt was back in those days; early 00's).
The whole Daz/JD situation was a conflict. But I think the deal was more of a Promotion type of thing rather than trying to get Daz back on top of the Rap world again, I mean u gotta ask why, Daz was already an established name by then and didn't need anybody to make money or noise. So with that said I believe whut tha real problem was was that JD wanted Daz to represent So So Def a little more than whut he was doing at tha time.
But in 2011....no... nobody is making a comeback to tha forefront and none of em are even trying to do that. They've got tha hits, they've got tha longevity, they've got tha fanbase (even tho some of u clearly don't know how to show your appreciation), and they've got "secure" money ("just makin it money 4 tha rest of my life" money or "i'm eatin straight til I die" money). There's really no need 4 Tha Dogg Pound to try 2 get back into tha limelight like that at this point in their career (even tho I would addimently support it). I think them niggaz are more concerned with getting old and getting fat at this point and raising grand babies lol (they deserve it).
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and they've got "secure" money ("just makin it money 4 tha rest of my life" money or "i'm eatin straight til I die" money).
dont think so..
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When DPG tried a new sound (Cali Iz Active for example) yall did not like it
When DPG goes back to their traditional sound (Dogg Chit, 100 Wayz, etc) yall say they living in the past
When DPG does not drop anything yall say man why don't they drop new music.
/end of thread
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There's really no need 4 Tha Dogg Pound to try 2 get back into tha limelight like that at this point in their career (even tho I would addimently support it). I think them niggaz are more concerned with getting old and getting fat at this point and raising grand babies lol (they deserve it).
Good point. I think the whole classic lineup DPGC are more or less on that level. Look at Soopafly, he said years back he's not the dude to be in the forefront as an artist (let Snoop do that). He can sit back, make music, go on tour etc. You look at Rage and RBX on the recent videos of them chattin bout old days on MTV, they be chilled as fucc. I think with Terrace Martin leading the way with his new artists, most of these other cats are backseat commercially (meaning not wanting the promo grind & 24/7 soul selling of a studio artist).
They done that stardom bit before. However it's a shame for the OG's still frontline pushin - Warren G, Kokane, D.O.C., Goldie Loc etc., then the younger Bad Azz & Roscoe etc. These dudes are still in it but in an industry that's dying around them. Rap. The one that 'fans' (teeny bobbas too) killed with the mp3 wave. Why pay their for music anyway?
In an industry as monetarily as dead as this do you think an OG like the D.O.C. is gonna pen his best ever work? Hell no, not til people start buying music again in a big way. But thats another story :D
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love33 not understand that there are artists who do not care to make tons of money to see their songs being played on Hot 97, Power 106, your videos on MTV, VH1 or BET, be top of the Billboard and etc ...
Dogg Pound Gangsta Clicca makes music for his fans and to themselves, they do not make music according to the owner of the label wants, or listen to any idiot who Britney Spears or Justin Bieber colcocar their music playlist on the iPod.
Not so they cease to be men of business and make money $ $ $, so much that they managed to keep their businesses because they took the money earned when they hit on Death Row.
In addition, they are recognized and respected wherever they go, from Compton to Harlem, from USA to China, respect and all the artists know their work.
(Just watch a video in which Chris Brown goes to the studio w / autograph request for Kurupt
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and they've got "secure" money ("just makin it money 4 tha rest of my life" money or "i'm eatin straight til I die" money).
dont think so..
Kurupt went bankrupt but I'm sure he's managed to get on his feet a little more by now (otherwise we probably would'nt have heard from him in a while). And Daz always been makin' bread, atleast since 98'/99'. I think Daz got more money than alot of rappers in tha game from his time. All of those albums and songs he's released since leaving Death Row and dude probably has invested in side ventures too, I think Daz is sittin' on a nice piggy bank.
What, he's sold about 300K albums (or more) since going Independent and making atleast $5 (minimum) off of a CD, that's money, that's good money 4 tha average muthafucka anyway, I don't think Daz has to pay anybody back, at least nothing super significant. I don't wanna speculate on niggaz' bank accounts but I'm pretty positive that they all (tha whole camp) manages to keep more than their lights on every month lol.
They might've not made any money while they were at Death Row but it's been a lifetime since then and they're still hangin' around, i think it's safe 2 say that it's not all bad for them.
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I'm not even going to go back and forth with you on the other shit because everyone who watched MTV back then saw "We Can Freak It" allover MTV and I remember myself seeing Kurupt on there with his former girl doing "It's Over" and the video was on MTV and so was "Behind The Walls." Also, I remember "The Streetz Iz A Mutha" 1 or 2 tracks getting spins on the radio right around the Up In Smoke era. To say Kurupt wasn't mainstream is senseless -- dude was mainstream in every sense of the word mainstream.
Well, whether or not you choose to "go back and forth" with me is on you but just because something gets spins on the radio or plays on a video network doesn't always make it a "mainstream hit". Kurupt did have a huge following in hip-hop at that time but he wasn't mainstream in the sense that he had crossed over to a pop audience like Xzibit. Real hip-hop heads fucking loved Kurupt back then but he wasn't a big radio/video star.
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Why don't they rap like they did on "On tha Grind" or "What Would U Do"?? Daz needs to change his voice back to the first Dogg pound album and get it goin again. Daz doesn't have the studio cause he's broke and so is Kurupt he claimed bankruptcy. Nobody is buyin those side projects he's droppin they have no promotion and it costs big money to stamp out a cd that sits on the shelves cause people who do want it bootleg it.
love33 not understand that there are artists who do not care to make tons of money to see their songs being played on Hot 97, Power 106, your videos on MTV, VH1 or BET, be top of the Billboard and etc ...
Who "wouldn't" want to sell millions of records and make millions of dollars and have millions of fans or would you rather be an artist who nobody listens to and makes internet tracks and has no album sales? Ask any artist that and they will tell you they want the money. Every artist is shooting to be at the top, they aren't trying to be third or fourth place. That cracks me up when fans make excuses for their artist losing and say "oh <insert rappers name> ain't tryin to be mainstream he's just tryin to please his real fanbase." Eminem pleases his fanbase and sells millions of records. DMX used to be himself and sell millions on all his releases. I get a laugh out of that. That's like sayin "oh the Lakers should just go play .500 ball cause they already won a couple championships and that's good enough." Same Difference. Everyone wants to sell millions, be on the radio (radio gives more t-shirt revenue and increases exposure which means more concert tickets) then you make the Itunes $money$$ off those 0.99 cent tracks -- now what artist is goin to say they don't wanna sell records and make paper? get out of here with that lame excuse for these guys tankin their careers.
There's a little quote by Drake that describes these cats: "Niggas with no money act like money isn't everything"
I'm not even going to go back and forth with you on the other shit because everyone who watched MTV back then saw "We Can Freak It" allover MTV and I remember myself seeing Kurupt on there with his former girl doing "It's Over" and the video was on MTV and so was "Behind The Walls." Also, I remember "The Streetz Iz A Mutha" 1 or 2 tracks getting spins on the radio right around the Up In Smoke era. To say Kurupt wasn't mainstream is senseless -- dude was mainstream in every sense of the word mainstream.
Well, whether or not you choose to "go back and forth" with me is on you but just because something gets spins on the radio or plays on a video network doesn't always make it a "mainstream hit". Kurupt did have a huge following in hip-hop at that time but he wasn't mainstream in the sense that he had crossed over to a pop audience like Xzibit. Real hip-hop heads fucking loved Kurupt back then but he wasn't a big radio/video star.
"It's Over" and "We Can Freak It" were 'pop' in every sense of the word you defined it. Now Streetz iz A Mutha was a raw.
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Why don't they rap like they did on "On tha Grind" or "What Would U Do"?? Daz needs to change his voice back to the first Dogg pound album and get it goin again. Daz doesn't have the studio cause he's broke and so is Kurupt he claimed bankruptcy. Nobody is buyin those side projects he's droppin they have no promotion and it costs big money to stamp out a cd that sits on the shelves cause people who do want it bootleg it.
How does one change their voice back? I’ve heard of switching flows but generally speaking, if you don’t vocally sound the same over time, there ain’t much you can do about it. It’s like asking for somebody not to age.
And I would have to say that if they are continuing to press up these CD’s then there must be some money coming in from somewhere.
"It's Over" and "We Can Freak It" were 'pop' in every sense of the word you defined it. Now Streetz iz A Mutha was a raw.
Explain how defined it because I’m a little confused here. And neither of those songs, despite their intentions, crossed over, so I’m gonna stand by my original opinion.
Who "wouldn't" want to sell millions of records and make millions of dollars and have millions of fans or would you rather be an artist who nobody listens to and makes internet tracks and has no album sales? Ask any artist that and they will tell you they want the money. Every artist is shooting to be at the top, they aren't trying to be third or fourth place. That cracks me up when fans make excuses for their artist losing and say "oh <insert rappers name> ain't tryin to be mainstream he's just tryin to please his real fanbase." Eminem pleases his fanbase and sells millions of records. DMX used to be himself and sell millions on all his releases. I get a laugh out of that. That's like sayin "oh the Lakers should just go play .500 ball cause they already won a couple championships and that's good enough." Same Difference. Everyone wants to sell millions, be on the radio (radio gives more t-shirt revenue and increases exposure which means more concert tickets) then you make the Itunes $money$$ off those 0.99 cent tracks -- now what artist is goin to say they don't wanna sell records and make paper? get out of here with that lame excuse for these guys tankin their careers.
Comparing a music artist to a sports team like the Lakers is not the “same difference” at all. Athletic competition is far more cut and dry. Entertainment is more catered to taste than talent. The outcome of a sporting event is based on the performance. The audience is just spectators. With music, an artist can excel on the technical level but no matter how great their work is if it doesn’t directly resonate with the public, it doesn’t matter. You can have an artist that has amazing vocal range and writes/produces all their own songs get outsold by a novelty act with a pretty face who uses Autotune and has all their songs ghost-written.
Of course, artists want to appeal to the biggest audience possible and get on as many radio stations and video markets as possible but it seems like you think it’s all just as simple as signing with a major and doing what so and so is doing. Fact is a lot of these mainstream artists that you see on videos and hear on radio probably aren’t making nearly as much money as you think. I think someone like Daz would make way more money independently than he would on a major label.
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I agree with Love33 about "wanting to stay at the top" but then not really. You're talkin about niggaz that's pushin' 30 years in tha game who've ALREADY accomplished whut they set out 2 do in tha 1st place. At this point it seems like it's more out of love then money (and u can tell by the type of music that they put out). Why shouldn't they take a back seat at this point, most regular people would by now, I mean you're talkin about from 1989/1990-2011 of just str8 wakin up every mornin'--smokin'--makin music all day--eating--sleeping and doing it all over again, that's tiring and it gets kinda old no matter how much love u have 4 it. U have 2 hit tha reset button at some point.
That's not a cop out or an excuse that's facts and if u can't see that then you should visualize yourself being their shoes 4 all that time. Niggaz wanna do other shit in life besides making music even if it's something in the music realm, u have 2 understand that. There's quite a handful of artist who could've maintained but fell back from it (look at Bishop Lamont). I do feel u tho, becuz sometimes niggaz' fans do be delusional (Biggie fans for example, I'm sorry but he wasn't the greatest and before he died he was ALREADY going Pop which is something that hardcore hip hop fans hate for some reason). Even Dr. Dre fell back from all of that rappin' he used to do and appearing on records (u can count on 1 hand how many verses tha nigga has done in tha past decade).
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Explain how defined it because I’m a little confused here. And neither of those songs, despite their intentions, crossed over, so I’m gonna stand by my original opinion.
This Kurupt video is what you were referring to as 'pop' earlier...try to even make it through this whole video without getting a laugh, i remember when they rotated it on TRL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nePoSEq4mms
This was another 'pop' video fit the 97/98 video theme....Around the time period Luniz had 5 on it, B.I.G. Sky's The Limit, and Kurupt had 'We Can Freak It'....this was one of his best IMO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU5EUAh8q34
They used to play it on MTV Jams Countdown
How does one change their voice back? I’ve heard of switching flows but generally speaking, if you don’t vocally sound the same over time, there ain’t much you can do about it. It’s like asking for somebody not to age.
The technology is so good now you can pretty much adjust the pitch and tempo with the voice, I mean look at how Drake does it all the time. Snoop's verse on the "Kush" track reminds me of a 92 Snoop the way Dre tweaked the tempo of his voice and adjusted the pitch. The technology today is nothing less than spectacular. Daz produced on All Eyez On Me, he should be able to use the modern technology and adjust his vocals.
Good Daz tracks: "Rock Wit Daz," "Me and My Cuzzin," "Git Drunk," "What Would U Do," "I Don't Like To Dream About Gettin Paid," "Bomb Azz Pussy," "On Tha Grind," "Mind On My Money"........the 2010 technology is even better than when those tracks came out but he came correct on those cuts -- he needs to take his time (2 or 3 years) secure a good deal and make a whole album like that and blow up. I think Scott Storch could produce a whole album with Daz, he knows Daz's style and gets the most out of hiim...I like his flow/voice on "Dogg Food" and "Doggstyle" but he also sounded cool on R.A.W., now he's just plain sluggish with a lazy delivery and very few creative bars
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Even Dr. Dre fell back from all of that rappin' he used to do and appearing on records (u can count on 1 hand how many verses tha nigga has done in tha past decade).
Admittingly he's cut back a bit over the decade but one hand? He's done at least five guest spots on Eminem albums alone.
This Kurupt video is what you were referring to as 'pop' earlier...try to even make it through this whole video without getting a laugh, i remember when they rotated it on TRL
I’ve seen the video before. I think you have TRL confused with Direct FX, the rap video show on MTV. It’s Over was never, to my knowledge, shown on TRL. And my only reference to “pop” was Xzibit crossing over to a pop audience.
Here is where I think the confusion kicks in. Videos/songs like “It’s Over” have pop music appeal but in order to be considered “mainstream”, they need to catch on with a wider audience. Mainstream doesn’t necessarily mean softer and more R&B-like. That’s how an artist may try to reach that audience but the music needs to actually catch on to that degree. I used Xzibit as an example, not because he started making poppier music but because in working with Dre, the audience for his music grew considerably. So while Xzibit’s stuff was harder than what Kurupt did with “It’s Over”, it was also more mainstream because people were buying a lot more Xzibit albums.
The technology is so good now you can pretty much adjust the pitch and tempo with the voice, I mean look at how Drake does it all the time. Snoop's verse on the "Kush" track reminds me of a 92 Snoop the way Dre tweaked the tempo of his voice and adjusted the pitch.
I don’t hear it at all. Snoop sounds great on the record but his voice doesn’t sound anymore like Death Row era Snoop than it did on anything he’s done in the last 5 years.
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Pop means Popular. kurupt was making music for the pop crowd. He also did some crossover stuff like the rock track he did with Everlast and the song with Fred Durst. And he did the track "Gangsta Gangsta" with Chris Webber -- and he just did a new track with Dr. Hollywood.
As far as Snoop goes, his verse is fire it reminds me of 1992 classic West flow, I like how Dre pushed the tempo up on his vocals on this track compared to his other stuff like "Drop It Like It's Hot" "Sexual Seduction" or "Holidae Inn" with the slow lazy flow.
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E-40 and Too Short drop hit records from time to time that the masses loves to hear.
LOL @ the masses
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Here we go again…
Now Daz was going to drop a classic on So So Def and most of the material was legit but he went behind Jermaine Dupri's back and dropped an indy album so JD couldn't establish his buzz with that indy album sitting on the shelves so JD just dropped the album with no promotion and let Daz off his contract.
Incorrect. Daz signed with Dupri back in 2003. Between then and when So So Gangsta dropped in 2006, he dropped three solo albums, an extended LP re-release of an EP, and several other indy projects with his name attached. He did not go behind Dupri’s back. If Dupri had an exclusive contract with Daz as a solo artist, these releases would have been a violation of the contract and could be used as an excuse to either sue Daz, block the unauthorized albums from being released, or have him dropped from the label.
Your theory makes no logical sense. For JD to invest money into having the album released but intentionally cutting the promotion because he’s soar at Daz doesn’t work. He’s not gonna fuck up his own money just to spite his artist. Neither Dupri or the record companies are suckers enough to let Daz fuck them on points for four projects. Daz’s explanation at the time was that he only had a one-album deal on So So Def, which would explain why they waited all that time and continued to let him release projects through his own independent label. Given how things played out, this would seem to be the case.
Are you kiddin me? Kurupt was the big talk of Doggystyle with his verses and Dogg Pound "Dogg Food" was a huge mainstream album.
Everything Death Row was doing in that time was huge. Dogg Pound had built a strong following as being not only part of the label but as being Snoop’s clique. They were selling off the strength of that. Not unlike how members of G-Unit blew up off of how hot 50 Cent was in 2003-05.
Kurupt had a huge video and everything with "We Can Freak It" and he had "It's Over" all over MTV off Space Boogie and he had "Where I Wanna Be" video rotating with Shade Sheist, and he had "Behind The Walls" on MTV in full rotation with Nate Dogg. All those were mainstream hits.
No, they were most certainly not. You have a hazy recollection of that time period, homie. This was literally at the height of my love for Kurupt music when I was preaching about him to everyone I knew and while they occasionally showed “It’s Over” and “Behind the Walls” on Direct Effect (MTV’s rap music program that aired after TRL), neither one was ever in regular rotation as a requested video. They were being pushed but they weren’t consistently part of the video countdown. I know because I would tape that show quite frequently hoping to get the “It’s Over” video after I saw it and they never played it so FULL ROTATION is a bit of an overstatement.
Daz's last hit was "Party People" ft. Jagged Edge which was supposed to be on 'So So Gangsta' and it didn't make the final album, the song was a huge radio hit but Daz never got to reap the longterm benefits due to his fallout with Jermaine Dupri.
Once again, you’re incorrect. It wasn’t a huge radio hit. It dropped in summer 2003 with limited airplay. I don’t even think it got a single spin in any North East markets. There was no fallout with JD. He popped up in the video for “Tipsy” with the rest of the roster, less than a year later.
Funny how Snoop, Too Short, E-40, Dr. Dre, and Game can make hits in any era of music and all these other rappers got a list of excuses
Game can make hits in any era? His discography of albums only spans about three years and change. In that time, his returns have diminished significantly on each album. He’s a popular rapper whose loyal fanbase has kept him relevant. You seemed to have that confused with being a record-breaking chart-topper who drops nothing but #1 hits.
Again, you seem to have trouble shaking the idea that your local market is the pulse of the national music scene. You think because a DJ at a club you frequent plays a song and people love it that that means it’s a national hit. There’s a level of delusion there. Of the artists you named the only one that can tour nationally and pull stadium and arena venues in nearly every market as a headliner is Dr. Dre. He’s the only one doing sell-out shows at major venues and to be fair, that was 10 years ago but I’d say given the level of impact he’s had and the interest he’s still able to generate, he could do equal or better if he decides to take “Detox” on tour.
thanks. this was exactly what I was saying! DPG never made mainstream music period. their music sold well for a certain time because gangsta rap was popular, g-funk was popular. but please, even their hits can't be considered as mainstream rap music. And if you (love33) read my post more intently, you could've read that I admitted that Dogg Food was a huge success. But I explained why. And don't try to come with 2-3 singles like "We Can Freak It" or "Where I Wanna Be" (which was Shade's song anyway), those weren't big hits in the charts. They were rather popular, especially on the west, but they weren't really smash singles. Plus they got hyped a little bit again after 1999 when "2001" dropped and the Up In Smoke Tour was cracking. It was Dre who is responsible that their music got pushed a little more for 1-3 years again. But evr since they split up, there was nothing remarkable regarding the charts. Except the So So Def intermezzo of Daz, which was a great promotion failure, there was nothing close to a hit record. But I'm happy with it. To me Dogg Chit is their second best album.
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I don't want to stir this up but I did read on Daz's own site that Nate wouldn't let him use his tracks on So So Gangsta because Daz owed him $50,000 for hooks. Not sure if that's why 'Boyz N Da Hood' didn't make the cut, perhaps they got sorted (or that never should've made the news back then anyway) by the time of release and there was another reason behind it. A Nate track would've been potentially massive.
Think you might have that mixed up from when Kronik, the guy who ran his site at the time, fielded a question about why Nate wasn't working with Daz and he made some comment about Nate wanting 50 G'z. I believe it was in 2003-04 because it was when 50 Cent came out and a lot of people on the forum mistakenly interpreted it as Nate wasn't working with Daz because of 50 Cent.
Yeah but I gotta pull you on somethin, there was a fallout because Daz sent a bit Fucc U to JD on his Makaveli & Dillinger 2 tape last year. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I'd like to know why that was anyway.
News to me but that still wouldn't indicate a fallout when he was actually on the label and making the record.
You're probably right bout that first bit mate - I'll try and dig for the comment anyway as it's of interest :)
Check out that Mixtape it's floatin round online. Shame JD never did an interview talking bout any beef or whatever?
@imsohappy, what's the second version of So So Gangsta you mention? You mean that 'So So Unreleased' bootleg or one of the Sampler EP's that came out??
"so so gangsta unreleased" is a bootleg, made by some polish deathrow-website..
im talkin abut the first version of "so so gangsta", the advance.. but u can find many of the tracks on the "bootleg"-version too..
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Is that a genuine Advance though, or a fan made one? ;)
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Yeah nobody tweaked Snoop's vocals or anybody's vocals... wtf are you talkin about lmao! it's called "flow", technology doesn't have shit 2 do with it ::)
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Well Kurupt just posted on his twitter that a new solo album from him is dropping next year
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Is that a genuine Advance though, or a fan made one? ;)
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genuine, but more rare than Paris Hiltons braincells..
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Pop means Popular. kurupt was making music for the pop crowd. He also did some crossover stuff like the rock track he did with Everlast and the song with Fred Durst.
I know what pop is. Again, attempting to be pop or cross over and actually doing it are two different things. You can try whatever pop experimintation you want if it doesn't bring you a bigger audience, it's not a cross over. For instance, "California Girls" with Katy Perry was a crossover for Snoop or "Walk This Way" would be one for Run DMC/Aerosmith. Kurupt tried to do that with "It's Over" but it wasn't fully embraced by that crowd.
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thanks. this was exactly what I was saying! DPG never made mainstream music period.
G-Funk WAS mainstream music in the early to mid 90's. Warren G was a huge mainstream success and the face of Def Jam for a point in his career and he made nothing but G-Funk.
mainstream music is music that's on the radio and heard by the masses. You just admitted "Dogg Food" was mainstream (had 3 huge singles). Retaliation, Revenge, and Get Back (sold GOLD) was mainstream, there are very few artists who go gold these days (and this album was considered to underperform). "The Streetz Iz A Mutha" is also GOLD. "Change The game Remix" with Jay-Z and Beanie Sigel (Dogg Pound "2002" album) got mad play on the radio. "Who Ride Wit Us," the self-titled "Streetz Iz A Mutha," and "Represent Dat GC" was a big for Daz & Kurupt on the airwaves. The self-titled single was huge as well. "Pop Lockin" had Daz allover it that video was allover tv as well.
They were on TRL, Rap City, Direct Effect, 106 & Park......that's definitely mainstream.
To give you an idea of how many units Kurupt moved, he sold more with "Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha" than Snoop did with "Malice In Wonderland" -- definitely mainstream with that album!
Gucci mane is mainstream and he didn't even sell gold with "The State vs Radric Davis" -- Kurupt also had the #8 album on the Billboard Top 200 with "Kuruption!" -- definitely mainstream
These guys have really taken a backseat since the early 2000's.
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Yeah nobody tweaked Snoop's vocals or anybody's vocals... wtf are you talkin about lmao! it's called "flow", technology doesn't have shit 2 do with it ::)
Producers change voice pitch and tempo ALL THE TIME to go with the beat. Go listen to Drake he does it all the time with his songs. Ever heard of "Chopped and Screwed" when they slow up the vocals? If you've ever been to a studio you would be blown away at what you can do with vocals.
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Producers change voice pitch and tempo ALL THE TIME to go with the beat.
extreme over-exaggeration. ;)
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whoa!
Gucci Mane is NOT mainstream, only an idiot would think that or somebody who doesn't really know shit about Gucc and BrickSquad would say that (and please don't tell me that u do). Anyways, I know producers change shit up but u can tell when they do 4 tha most part tho, maybe the version/quality of the mp3 u have isn't official but in no way can u hear Snoop's vocals being changed (that's his style he's used exclusively when he's with Dre since the early-mid 2000's). When Snoop doesn't Rap like he's sounding like he's tryna be on some young shit and he spits that grown man music shit then he's really calm with his flows (like retro Daz).
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whoa!
Gucci Mane is NOT mainstream, only an idiot would think that or somebody who doesn't really know shit about Gucc and BrickSquad would say that (and please don't tell me that u do). Anyways, I know producers change shit up but u can tell when they do 4 tha most part tho, maybe the version/quality of the mp3 u have isn't official but in no way can u hear Snoop's vocals being changed (that's his style he's used exclusively when he's with Dre since the early-mid 2000's). When Snoop doesn't Rap like he's sounding like he's tryna be on some young shit and he spits that grown man music shit then he's really calm with his flows (like retro Daz).
Don't know if you're from Europe or not but Gucci is allover the radio waves: "Wasted" is a huge radio track, "I'm so Icey" was huge on the radio, and "Lemonade" was another banger -- they even play "Lemonade" in the background when the Wizards are bringing the ball up the court. "Freaky Girl" was #12 on the billboard charts for hit records. He even had a song that they were playing at all the fashion shows with Usher "Spotlight" that one was huge as well and he's got a track with Swizz Beatz comin out that's supposed to be another hit. He was in MTV's latest list of the Top 10 HOttest Rappers in the Game.
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^^^ u from The City ?
but yeah if your using that definition of mainstream then yeah you're absolutely right, i thought u meant the bubble gum version. 4 a second i thought u waz 1 of them Gucci Mane/BrickSquad haters (there's way too many on here).
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Explain how defined it because I’m a little confused here. And neither of those songs, despite their intentions, crossed over, so I’m gonna stand by my original opinion.
This Kurupt video is what you were referring to as 'pop' earlier...try to even make it through this whole video without getting a laugh, i remember when they rotated it on TRL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nePoSEq4mms
This was another 'pop' video fit the 97/98 video theme....Around the time period Luniz had 5 on it, B.I.G. Sky's The Limit, and Kurupt had 'We Can Freak It'....this was one of his best IMO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU5EUAh8q34
They used to play it on MTV Jams Countdown
How does one change their voice back? I’ve heard of switching flows but generally speaking, if you don’t vocally sound the same over time, there ain’t much you can do about it. It’s like asking for somebody not to age.
The technology is so good now you can pretty much adjust the pitch and tempo with the voice, I mean look at how Drake does it all the time. Snoop's verse on the "Kush" track reminds me of a 92 Snoop the way Dre tweaked the tempo of his voice and adjusted the pitch. The technology today is nothing less than spectacular. Daz produced on All Eyez On Me, he should be able to use the modern technology and adjust his vocals.
Good Daz tracks: "Rock Wit Daz," "Me and My Cuzzin," "Git Drunk," "What Would U Do," "I Don't Like To Dream About Gettin Paid," "Bomb Azz Pussy," "On Tha Grind," "Mind On My Money"........the 2010 technology is even better than when those tracks came out but he came correct on those cuts -- he needs to take his time (2 or 3 years) secure a good deal and make a whole album like that and blow up. I think Scott Storch could produce a whole album with Daz, he knows Daz's style and gets the most out of hiim...I like his flow/voice on "Dogg Food" and "Doggstyle" but he also sounded cool on R.A.W., now he's just plain sluggish with a lazy delivery and very few creative bars
I'm on the same page with you brother. You couldn't have said it better. I think we all can agree DAZ needs a makeover. Will he listen? Who knows. Will we keep buying his shit? Probably not if he continues the same shit. My man that made this post must be around the same age as me, and we grew up with this shit. So long time fans are not very happy with this new style he has. Get that smooth shit back where we can "Roll Wit Us". Throw that shit in the car and just sail down the road. This new style is to hard, and screaming and shit. Not something that's going to get much roataion.
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To name a few: "It's My Thang" ft. Kurupt (which was actually released as a single), "Git Drunk," "Do U Wanna," "Put That Chronic In The Air," "I'm Hot," "Boyz N Da Hood" (Nate Dogg track), "Smoke," "Now Datz Gangsta," "The One" (also featuring Jagged Edge and did make the final album but there's also a version that features T.I. and Cee-Lo), "Bigg O Butt," "We Mean Buziness," there's A LOT more but there's also a version of "All That I Need" that has Snoop and Kurupt on it.
thanx for the info
Now, where the fuck can we find those tracks ?
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taht's bullshit, sorry. they never made mainstream music.
Are you kiddin me? Kurupt was the big talk of Doggystyle with his verses and Dogg Pound "Dogg Food" was a huge mainstream album. You don't just make $100,000 videos for an album if it ain't mainstream -- "Lets Play House" was the smash and "New York New York" were huge. Daz and Kurupt were mainstream from the time The Chronic dropped through the 90's. Kurupt had a huge video and everything with "We Can Freak It" and he had "It's Over" all over MTV off Space Boogie and he had "Where I Wanna Be" video rotating with Shade Sheist, and he had "Behind The Walls" on MTV in full rotation with Nate Dogg. All those were mainstream hits.
Daz's last hit was "Party People" ft. Jagged Edge which was supposed to be on 'So So Gangsta' and it didn't make the final album, the song was a huge radio hit but Daz never got to reap the longterm benefits due to his fallout with Jermaine Dupri.
Daz, on the other hand, his last big mainstream album was his debut "Retaliation, Revenge, and Get Back" where he went Gold and had "In California" and "It Might Sound Crazy." Tha Dogg Pounds last big hit was "Change The Game Remix" which was on "Tha Dogg Pound 2002" album.
My question is that why don't they want to keep pumping out the hits and use their status and get back into people's stereos instead of all this backyard music that nobody even knows exists, has little to no promotion, and has little appeal to get pumped on the radio or the club. At least Dre, Snoop, Too Short, and E-40 are in the clubs and on the radios with their music, Tha Dogg Pound needs to get back into that mode or their legacies are just diminishing.
Times have changed, if the late 90's had the same mentality that today's industry has "We Can Freak It," "It's over Now," and "In California" wouldn't have gotten air play. For those old enough to remember, back in the day, if you had a decent single and the funds to shoot a proper video then you could get some sort of airplay. Kurupt has had some decent singles in recent years that should of had play possibilities. "I'm Burnt remix" should of had push and would of if the industry had a different mentality. "Gotta Let You Know," had single written all over it. There are a grip of rappers who fell into the same category before the industry became stale. The game just ain't the same anymore. I'm not saying it isn't possible to get push, it's just 10x harder than it ever was back in the day
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yea i think thier time has passed to make it in the mainstream and i think ,deff with daz, that he puts to much mediocre music. Id prefer quality over quantity.
As far as kurupt concerned i think he is dope but seems to be not that consitant with the quality of his music, but no 1 who has made any type of good music can constantly keep producing quality tunes .
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yea i think thier time has passed to make it in the mainstream and i think ,deff with daz, that he puts to much mediocre music. Id prefer quality over quantity.
As far as kurupt concerned i think he is dope but seems to be not that consitant with the quality of his music, but no 1 who has made any type of good music can constantly keep producing quality tunes .
yeah Daz seems to think quanity over quality is better these days, I thought Streetlights by Kurupt was dope but I agree he is inconsistent as well
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You guys had it all wrong with the record sales, despite what you can read all over the internet RR&GB, and any Daz/Kurupt solo albums NEVER achieved any gold or platinum status. And you can check the official RIAA website where you can search their whole database. Try and type Kurupt or Daz and you won't find anything.
http://riaa.com/goldandplatinum.php
Now it seems like a lot of artists were lying about their own record sales. And that's not surprising because gangsta rap is built around showing-off and exaggerating.
Believe me, with the internet the game has changed, the reason Daz makes cheap albums with cheap packaging is because everybody is dowloading his shit, and none is buying except for a few loyal fans. It makes sense since he was one of the first to push his line heavily on the internet. When you promote your shit almost exclusively on the internet, the audience you're reaching will be more likely to go download your shit first than if you were promoting it on the regular other media. When he went independent in 99-00, he sold 40,000 RAW albums, and over 200,000 Dillinger & Young Gotti (again it's not reliable since he's the only source to rely on), nowadays even with heavy radio rotation and decent promotion he wouldn't probably do 200.
Here is my theory about Daz's career stalling. Daz has always been trying to stay relevant and to make money. Dude left Death Row because he realized that he was getting fucked in every angle by Suge when he was the most loyal artist of the label. He couldn't fuck with Snoop at the time because they were feuding so it eliminated the possibility to be signed on Doggystyle. Crooked I, who was in Daz's own word the future of rap, chose Death Row over DPG Recordz so he lost his biggest artist, and on top of that while his homie Kurupt was ballin with the rest of the crew on the Up in Smoke Tour he wasn't even invited. Daz then went to create his own avenue on the independent game because it was the more lucrative way for him. He knew that even if you were signed on the biggest label of the time (Death Row), it didn't mean necessarily fat checks but rather hardwork and very few releases. And Daz has always been a money-hungry motherfucker. Then, in this logic, Daz realized that the best option for him as a solo artist was to go independent. He already knew E-40 and them. Actually D-Shot is the one who showed everyone the ropes of the independent game, whether it's Nate Dogg or Daz. After R.A.W. he hooked up with JT Tha Bigga Figga. Now JT is the finest example of how you can make shitloads of money without even selling. JT is a millionaire without a single national hit and knows how to make independent money. According to him, Daz made 70 grands the first two days he was in the bay. From that point Daz realized the Independent game was really the way to go and that even by staying independent he could sell tons of albums. That's when he released Dilli & Gotti in 2001, after he had put out the first Daz & JT album. He probably made a lot of money with that project and on this album you can find hints of Daz's state of mind at the time. First of all the packaging wasn't cheap at all for an independent release. The package featured a glossy booklet which revealed Daz's intention to create a real label with nationwide ambitions with projects expanding from the Bay Area (with a compilation with DJ X-Tra Large) to the South (with an album hosted by his cousin from New Orleans). The album featured such names as Beanie Siegel and Xzibit. It shows you how much Daz tried to remain visible to the game. Over the years Daz has been linked with moves to Roc a Fella, Bad Boy, G-Unit, and more recently, Lench Mob Records.
I think it would be ludicrous to think that Daz was ever a mainstream act. The Dogg Pound were at one point. Kurupt is a household name but Daz isn't that much. Daz is known to people as the background guy who did a tremendous work at Death Row and who happens to be Snoop's first cousin. Yet if you look at Daz's career, he always tried to remain visible and collaborate with the hottest artists. That shows that he tried to get back in the corporate game to break big. When H-Town was hot he went to H-Town and did songs with cats like Lil Flip, Bun-B and Slim Thug. He is on Camron's 2002 album. He was on T.I.'s Urban Legend, I remember him saying on his website that he was to collaborate with Nelly and that he was in Shady Records' offices making beats for them. If you look at DPGC You Know What I'm Throwin Up booklet, he's shouting act all the mainstream acts of the days and especially 50 by saying Holla @ Me. When he finally signed to So So Def and after he had released The Dogg Pound Gangsta LP album I remember him saying "We're not into that G-Funk anymore" and saying something like "the DPG LP was a record to give a throwback vibe but that's not the line I'm going to push for the next albums". That precisely shows that Daz's come back to G-Funk albums since the Dogg Chit LP is a forced return and that after realizing that he could not break big in the mainstream industry he had to give his fanbase what they wanted i.e. classic, dope g-funk productions in order to stay in the game.
And I think that Young Pilot is his latest effort to create a star.
I personally think Daz tries too hard to appeal to different markets. At the same time, I think he's doing what he's already done. He's grinding and exploring every avenue to make a dollar. And it seems to be working. Daz seems far from broke if you look at the kind of gift he gives to his daughter and mother and the money he receives from Wide Awake. I also think that Daz has nothing left to say nowadays, he doesn't have that flame anymore, he has to force his penmanship, which was interesting at best when he was inspired and which is now very dull and hackneyed. On the other hand, Daz and his co-producers (Ivan Johnson, etc.) craft tremendously good beats even nowadays, and I think they could develop new, interesting artists (I don't like Pilot) but it seems that it's not lucrative enough for him otherwise he'd have released the PFN albums among others.
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You guys had it all wrong with the record sales, despite what you can read all over the internet RR&GB, and any Daz/Kurupt solo albums NEVER achieved any gold or platinum status. And you can check the official RIAA website where you can search their whole database. Try and type Kurupt or Daz and you won't find anything.
http://riaa.com/goldandplatinum.php
Now it seems like a lot of artists were lying about their own record sales. And that's not surprising because gangsta rap is built around showing-off and exaggerating.
Believe me, with the internet the game has changed, the reason Daz makes cheap albums with cheap packaging is because everybody is dowloading his shit, and none is buying except for a few loyal fans. It makes sense since he was one of the first to push his line heavily on the internet. When you promote your shit almost exclusively on the internet, the audience you're reaching will be more likely to go download your shit first than if you were promoting it on the regular other media. When he went independent in 99-00, he sold 40,000 RAW albums, and over 200,000 Dillinger & Young Gotti (again it's not reliable since he's the only source to rely on), nowadays even with heavy radio rotation and decent promotion he wouldn't probably do 200.
Here is my theory about Daz's career stalling. Daz has always been trying to stay relevant and to make money. Dude left Death Row because he realized that he was getting fucked in every angle by Suge when he was the most loyal artist of the label. He couldn't fuck with Snoop at the time because they were feuding so it eliminated the possibility to be signed on Doggystyle. Crooked I, who was in Daz's own word the future of rap, chose Death Row over DPG Recordz so he lost his biggest artist, and on top of that while his homie Kurupt was ballin with the rest of the crew on the Up in Smoke Tour he wasn't even invited. Daz then went to create his own avenue on the independent game because it was the more lucrative way for him. He knew that even if you were signed on the biggest label of the time (Death Row), it didn't mean necessarily fat checks but rather hardwork and very few releases. And Daz has always been a money-hungry motherfucker. Then, in this logic, Daz realized that the best option for him as a solo artist was to go independent. He already knew E-40 and them. Actually D-Shot is the one who showed everyone the ropes of the independent game, whether it's Nate Dogg or Daz. After R.A.W. he hooked up with JT Tha Bigga Figga. Now JT is the finest example of how you can make shitloads of money without even selling. JT is a millionaire without a single national hit and knows how to make independent money. According to him, Daz made 70 grands the first two days he was in the bay. From that point Daz realized the Independent game was really the way to go and that even by staying independent he could sell tons of albums. That's when he released Dilli & Gotti in 2001, after he had put out the first Daz & JT album. He probably made a lot of money with that project and on this album you can find hints of Daz's state of mind at the time. First of all the packaging wasn't cheap at all for an independent release. The package featured a glossy booklet which revealed Daz's intention to create a real label with nationwide ambitions with projects expanding from the Bay Area (with a compilation with DJ X-Tra Large) to the South (with an album hosted by his cousin from New Orleans). The album featured such names as Beanie Siegel and Xzibit. It shows you how much Daz tried to remain visible to the game. Over the years Daz has been linked with moves to Roc a Fella, Bad Boy, G-Unit, and more recently, Lench Mob Records.
I think it would be ludicrous to think that Daz was ever a mainstream act. The Dogg Pound were at one point. Kurupt is a household name but Daz isn't that much. Daz is known to people as the background guy who did a tremendous work at Death Row and who happens to be Snoop's first cousin. Yet if you look at Daz's career, he always tried to remain visible and collaborate with the hottest artists. That shows that he tried to get back in the corporate game to break big. When H-Town was hot he went to H-Town and did songs with cats like Lil Flip, Bun-B and Slim Thug. He is on Camron's 2002 album. He was on T.I.'s Urban Legend, I remember him saying on his website that he was to collaborate with Nelly and that he was in Shady Records' offices making beats for them. If you look at DPGC You Know What I'm Throwin Up booklet, he's shouting act all the mainstream acts of the days and especially 50 by saying Holla @ Me. When he finally signed to So So Def and after he had released The Dogg Pound Gangsta LP album I remember him saying "We're not into that G-Funk anymore" and saying something like "the DPG LP was a record to give a throwback vibe but that's not the line I'm going to push for the next albums". That precisely shows that Daz's come back to G-Funk albums since the Dogg Chit LP is a forced return and that after realizing that he could not break big in the mainstream industry he had to give his fanbase what they wanted i.e. classic, dope g-funk productions in order to stay in the game.
And I think that Young Pilot is his latest effort to create a star.
I personally think Daz tries too hard to appeal to different markets. At the same time, I think he's doing what he's already done. He's grinding and exploring every avenue to make a dollar. And it seems to be working. Daz seems far from broke if you look at the kind of gift he gives to his daughter and mother and the money he receives from Wide Awake. I also think that Daz has nothing left to say nowadays, he doesn't have that flame anymore, he has to force his penmanship, which was interesting at best when he was inspired and which is now very dull and hackneyed. On the other hand, Daz and his co-producers (Ivan Johnson, etc.) craft tremendously good beats even nowadays, and I think they could develop new, interesting artists (I don't like Pilot) but it seems that it's not lucrative enough for him otherwise he'd have released the PFN albums among others.
Bayside and JT put out the daz/Jt-albums. not DPG Recordz.. those are basicaly Get Low-proejcts..
and nah, JT is not a millionaire - and he never made that much money. over-exaggerated..
he is responsible for one of the biggest independent & consistent catalgoues though - but they never generated any big paper (but he capitalized on a The Game-releases, whom even got nationwide and european distribution)
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It's not DPG Recordz per se, but the logo does appear on the back of the record, along with Get Low & D1A. Actually there are 2 versions of Long Beach 2 Fillmoe. One released in late 2000 put out by D1A Records with a different cover and the one most of us are familiar with put out by Black Market records and which is the reason why Daz & JT got beef. As for Game for Sale, it's strictly Get Low.
Again I don't have multiple sources to verify JT's income but I did hear him say in interviews that he became a millionaire after selling 100,000 units of his first album Playaz 'N The Game in 93-94 and I think he may be sincere. CD's sold very well at the time and Gangsta Rap was hype, plus the market for Bay Area music was way bigger then as Bay artists were very well established in the South and Midwest, so it isn't ludicrous to imagine that he sold 100,000 for his first album, which would generate a revenue for him of about a million dollar since independent artists make more or less $10 by cd.
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Its more to say that they have lost their chemistry in a way where they spent like close to 3 years fueding and for all of those 3 years they could have been banging out classics. I still dont think that reunion was really genuine to this day, They only did it to please Snoop because for years Daz was talking sh*t about killing kurupt, how he was fake, a child molester, a bitch nigga, traitor and Kurupt vice versa talking sideways about Daz and Death Row beating up Bad Azz. Theres no way they could have threw all of this under the bridge in one day because this was a serious beef.
The lost chemistry is evident on Cali iz Active(Which was WACK) and Dogg Chit(Which had a couple of good cuts but overall was weak as well) 100 Wayz seem like a step back in the right direction though. I perfer them to rap about what they wanna rap about instead of featuring Gucci, Drake, Wayne,Kanye, or whomever hot at the moment because we hear them niggas enough as it is everyday. I dont want to hear these niggas on no Dogg Pound album
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvPtjKy2XLg
INDICAH (DAZ DILLINGER & ARRON BROKENSHIRE)
3 SONG PREVIEW FROM UP COMING RECORD ! !
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvPtjKy2XLg
INDICAH (DAZ DILLINGER & ARRON BROKENSHIRE)
3 SONG PREVIEW FROM UP COMING RECORD ! !
Do you know what? THOSE 3 TRACCS ARE NUTHIN BUT HEAT ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Real hit material. Dax got a magic touch - who'd have thought sk8r rocc would be his thing too 8) 8) 8)
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It's not DPG Recordz per se, but the logo does appear on the back of the record, along with Get Low & D1A. Actually there are 2 versions of Long Beach 2 Fillmoe. One released in late 2000 put out by D1A Records with a different cover and the one most of us are familiar with put out by Black Market records and which is the reason why Daz & JT got beef. As for Game for Sale, it's strictly Get Low.
Again I don't have multiple sources to verify JT's income but I did hear him say in interviews that he became a millionaire after selling 100,000 units of his first album Playaz 'N The Game in 93-94 and I think he may be sincere. CD's sold very well at the time and Gangsta Rap was hype, plus the market for Bay Area music was way bigger then as Bay artists were very well established in the South and Midwest, so it isn't ludicrous to imagine that he sold 100,000 for his first album, which would generate a revenue for him of about a million dollar since independent artists make more or less $10 by cd.
nah, JT is definitely not a millionaire.
there are very few rappers in the game, who are actually millionaires. its a common misconecption that rappers actually have money..
rappers tend to look flashy and bossy wit their own small recordlabels, but they're not gettin paid. specially not now..
90percent of the westcoast-scene is broke..
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You guys had it all wrong with the record sales, despite what you can read all over the internet RR&GB, and any Daz/Kurupt solo albums NEVER achieved any gold or platinum status. And you can check the official RIAA website where you can search their whole database. Try and type Kurupt or Daz and you won't find anything.
I remember it being huge news on the net when Kurupt went gold with "Tha Streetz Iz A Mutha" and Daz went gold with "RR&GB" and I remember Death Row talking about in the interviews how the album was a letdown to their standards where they expect anything but platinum plus. With the RIAA you have to send in the paperwork at a given deadline and if you don't submit the paperwork then it's not in their database but it doesn't take away from the fact those two albums (RR&GB and Tha Streetz...) sold over 500,000 units each. "Kuruption!" was also GOLD because it sold around 330k units which since it's a double cd it counts as 2 units/album sold so it went Gold as well.
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"Kuruption!" was also GOLD because it sold around 330k units which since it's a double cd it counts as 2 units/album sold so it went Gold as well.
lol, thats crazy...
then what about 2pac "all eyez on me"?
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Yeah but when they say 330k I think they include both cd's. Same for 2pac. At least those are the RIAA criteria. Soundscan only take into account the album regardless of the number of cd's it has. Or maybe it's the other way around.
Either way, according to Snoop RR&GB did not go gold. It shouldn't be taken as gospel though, as Snoop is hating a lot in that interview.
http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/snoopdogg06/part4/
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Kuruption sold about 400,000 copies, I think Streetz sold over 500,000 but has not been certified by the RIAA. RRGB sold at or close to gold but hasn't been certified either.
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Kuruption sold about 400,000 copies, I think Streetz sold over 500,000 but has not been certified by the RIAA. RRGB sold at or close to gold but hasn't been certified either.
chronic 2000 is also gold it sold around 800k..a great album IMO
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Kuruption sold about 400,000 copies, I think Streetz sold over 500,000 but has not been certified by the RIAA. RRGB sold at or close to gold but hasn't been certified either.
Yeah Streetz definitely went gold. I have seen pics of the gold plaque he recieved that was hanging in his house.
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Kuruption sold about 400,000 copies, I think Streetz sold over 500,000 but has not been certified by the RIAA. RRGB sold at or close to gold but hasn't been certified either.
chronic 2000 is also gold it sold around 800k..a great album IMO
yup it's a great album to me... lots of great songs. but it's often been overlooked because of the wrong motives that lie behind that record plus the presence of such rappers as Top Dogg and Tha Realest (the former is clearly a joke but the latter does have good songs out on that record and on others)
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Why aren't Daz and Kurupt motivated to make good mainstream music thats absorbed by the masses? Dre and Snoop want everyone to hear and listen to their music and they are motivated to put out quality content that everyone listens to. E-40 and Too Short drop hit records from time to time that the masses loves to hear. On the other hand, Daz and Kurupt have let themselves slip off into mediocrity since 2001. Now Daz was going to drop a classic on So So Def and most of the material was legit but he went behind Jermaine Dupri's back and dropped an indy album so JD couldn't establish his buzz with that indy album sitting on the shelves so JD just dropped the album with no promotion and let Daz off his contract. Other than that minor push, I have seen absolutely no effort from them to get back into people's stereos around the country.
Why drop 5 albums that nobody listens to when you could drop one album in 4 years that has hits allover it and played by everyone in their stereos and in the club?
With all that talent, I don't understand one bit why Daz and Kurupt would just let their careers slip off into the sewers and not have any motivation to put out hit records when you see Dre and Snoop playing for nothing less than hit records.
Why do you care if they make music for the masses? If you can get a hold of their material and you feel it that should be good enough.
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Why aren't Daz and Kurupt motivated to make good mainstream music thats absorbed by the masses? Dre and Snoop want everyone to hear and listen to their music and they are motivated to put out quality content that everyone listens to. E-40 and Too Short drop hit records from time to time that the masses loves to hear. On the other hand, Daz and Kurupt have let themselves slip off into mediocrity since 2001. Now Daz was going to drop a classic on So So Def and most of the material was legit but he went behind Jermaine Dupri's back and dropped an indy album so JD couldn't establish his buzz with that indy album sitting on the shelves so JD just dropped the album with no promotion and let Daz off his contract. Other than that minor push, I have seen absolutely no effort from them to get back into people's stereos around the country.
Why drop 5 albums that nobody listens to when you could drop one album in 4 years that has hits allover it and played by everyone in their stereos and in the club?
With all that talent, I don't understand one bit why Daz and Kurupt would just let their careers slip off into the sewers and not have any motivation to put out hit records when you see Dre and Snoop playing for nothing less than hit records.
Why do you care if they make music for the masses? If you can get a hold of their material and you feel it that should be good enough.
I want to hear their club music actually get played in the club. I want people to know who they are so you can actually say their name in a rap discussion without being looked at funny. But on the real, their music has been lackluster the last 3 years so there's nothing really there to talk about except the old stuff and the classics.
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I want people to know who they are so you can actually say their name in a rap discussion without being looked at funny.
Lol I got one dude at work who knows bout the DPG, I was amazed one day when we got chattin and I played him some shit on my phone. I was a bit shocked when he said Nate Doggs a legend and I was like O RLY? :P