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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Matty on December 04, 2010, 11:59:11 AM
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think that would be the best way for me to sum up why i'm not really down with this joint as much as some. buzz single or not, it just doesn't have the level of class i'd generally associate with a dre production. not the sound exactly...more the kind of sheen and polish to it. very surprising for his own single given how meticulous dude is. someone else made a thread about his beats from the core g-unit era...all those tracks shit on this one. its just nowhere near that level of quality. i highly doubt i'd ever want to play it far off in the future.
so after all these beats and ideas that would have been saved this project...this is really one of the best 15/20? don't get me wrong it knocks and everything in its own way, but seems kind of watered down compared to a lot of his previous production. again not strictly to do with the sound, more the execution of the track with like the corny 1, 1, 1 shouts and all the heeeys and hooos. a bit crowded and messy. plus dre's drunk/angry sounding flow doesn't help. akon is a personal thing but i find his wailing annoying, always have. 'holla at my niggie'.
i'm still confident detox will have some super crazy ish, but this track seems like a really unusual way to get the ball rolling. very lacklustre and dissapointing. dre would have been better off canning this track altogether. 0/1 so far. you'd of expected the set-up for this album to be absolutely perfect, promo singles and all.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=anticipointment
i don't want to hear excuses or justifications just if anyone thinks this track is something special or meets their expectations for the whole detox aura and why. or just flame me for having 'ridiculous' standards, 'reading into it too much' or not understanding what a buzz single is supposed to be ;D
if the next thing to drop off the project isn't absolutely insane...
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After hearing Game on it, I think it'd be a better single to lead R.E.D than it would Detox.
Dr. Dre sounds out of place on the track and the general atmosphere doesn't feel right.
But, whatever works, at least he's releasing music which I'd prefer to see than stashing it up and waiting til he dies and the label profiting off it through releases.
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kush is really disapointing, dre brings nothing new to the table
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Nothing wrong with the track, except like said above, nothin new. Thats not what we were waitin for to hear from Dre. We didnt wanted a dope track, we wanted a revolutionary track, like it was with "2001". But its just one track..
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Nothing wrong with the track, except like said above, nothin new. Thats not what we were waitin for to hear from Dre. We didnt wanted a dope track, we wanted a revolutionary track, like it was with "2001". But its just one track..
for me it doesn't even stand up as much of a dope track next to his previous production on single style joints. i think that was the absolute minimum i expected from anything to do with detox, 'revolutionary' or not. that's why it's so dissapointing. but yeah, just the one so far.
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Nothin mindblowing bout the joint.. but I fuck with that beat and somehow it has madd replay value..
Still could have wished for some verses that doesnt sound like quick freestyles off the dome.. lol
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The song is cool but it really didn't meet my expectations. The expecations are high after hearing jointz like "still dre" and "nothin but a g thang" and this song is no where near that level. Its still better than most of the mainstream garbage that is out there though. 8)
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this song is good for what it is . but in 2010 no one can relate to it, i remember when One Blood by The Game came out, everybody was doing freestyle over it, same with I wanna Rock... but this one doesnt have the same effect,
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this song is good for what it is . but in 2010 no one can relate to it, i remember when One Blood by The Game came out, everybody was doing freestyle over it, same with I wanna Rock... but this one doesnt have the same effect,
i think i'd agree. no resonating effect whatsoever. and that's always the sign of really well conceived tracks. this isn't even a grower to me.
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i think Dre is not sure about the direction of his single, if you look at the creation of Under pressure for example.
by the way, Matty, you forgot to attach this song:
http://www.youtube.com/v/zG0ATtt_-d0?fs=1
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i think Dre is not sure about the direction of his single, if you look at the creation of Under pressure for example.
i hate to say it I reckon a finished version of Under Pressure would have been far superior to Kush. the framework for it was way cleaner and catchy, albeit poppy.
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Don't forget the teeny bopper crossover audience can = massive sales.
This is 2010, some people out there never heard of Dre as an artist or plain forgot bout him lol.
Dre said it was a leak, he was playing it safe. Drop a crossover track first, get some airplay.
Get massive sales too for a leaked track that was never meant for release. How often does that happen?
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Don't forget the teeny bopper crossover audience can = massive sales.
This is 2010, some people out there never heard of Dre as an artist or plain forgot bout him lol.
Dre said it was a leak, he was playing it safe. Drop a crossover track first, get some airplay.
Get massive sales too for a leaked track that was never meant for release. How often does that happen?
well that's obviously the aim, but this is still a weak crossover track for dre. his other stuff aimed at a mainstream audience is far more infectious and classy. not saying it doesn't work on that level at all, but seems way too low quality to be setting the mood for detox.
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Good points.but i dont know,i bump that shit like mutherfucker 8) 8)
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but this is still a weak crossover track for dre.
Hardly a weak track. I don't like rating shit on forums as cats all have different ideas on whats hot - it's an 8.5/10 for me though. :D
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Don't forget the teeny bopper crossover audience can = massive sales.
This is 2010, some people out there never heard of Dre as an artist or plain forgot bout him lol.
Dre said it was a leak, he was playing it safe. Drop a crossover track first, get some airplay.
Get massive sales too for a leaked track that was never meant for release. How often does that happen?
Things might just work out that way.
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but this is still a weak crossover track for dre.
Hardly a weak track. I don't like rating shit on forums as cats all have different ideas on whats hot - it's an 8.5/10 for me though. :D
definitely not weak by standards of music out today, but against tracks like 'in da club', 'how we do', 'rich girl' etc. just thought there would be ample heaters for even buzz singles to really be killing it. i was wrong.
now where is that finished version of shit popped off :cow:
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Jeez Matty, you're really trying to get your point across aren't you. Was another new thread about it really necessary ?
Kush is dope. I don't know what your problem with Dre's verse is, that's a classic "I'm the shit" Dre verse. If I'm not mistaken you and I both agreed when the Power Beats add was playing that this beat was slapping (before knowing this would turn out to be Kush). He is playing it safe though, especially when the more experimental, techno influenced Under Pressure got terrible feedback across the board. Kush is like a safe westcoast version of your typical Dre influenced piano, lowrider beat with a little bit of 2010 twist to it. And it's getting positive feedback, that's all that matters to him at the end of the day, hence shooting the vid and everything.
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And lol at saying Under Pressure is better. Dre sounded so awkward on that joint. Looks like you're having that classic internet message board mentality where everything that's either underground, unfinished, released criticized and forgotten but then after a while better than the official shit... basically everything is better than the official version. Basically if the situation as reversed (Kush being the flop single and Under Pressure being the official one), people would make threads how finished Kush track would sound better than Under Pressure. People over analyze things too much nowadays.
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Jeez Matty, you're really trying to get your point across aren't you. Was another new thread about it really necessary ?
Kush is dope. I don't know what your problem with Dre's verse is, that's a classic "I'm the shit" Dre verse. If I'm not mistaken you and I both agreed when the Power Beats add was playing that this beat was slapping (before knowing this would turn out to be Kush). He is playing it safe though, especially when the more experimental, techno influenced Under Pressure got terrible feedback across the board. Kush is like a safe westcoast version of your typical Dre influenced piano, lowrider beat with a little bit of 2010 twist to it. And it's getting positive feedback, that's all that matters to him at the end of the day, hence shooting the vid and everything.
oh fo sho!!!!! and trying to coax out some descriptions from different musical perspectives ;D
the beat definitely sounds more appealing without vocals.
wait for the amount of threads when detox actually drops! :cow:
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i think Dre is not sure about the direction of his single, if you look at the creation of Under pressure for example.
by the way, Matty, you forgot to attach this song:
http://www.youtube.com/v/zG0ATtt_-d0?fs=1
Ha, love Lench Mob, B Rizzy killed that hook
Yeah I dig Kush. It is what it is, a smokers anthem with a dope beat and Snoop and Dre, one of the best duos of all time. Is it Next Episode or The Wash? Nah but it is still banging to me.
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And lol at saying Under Pressure is better. Dre sounded so awkward on that joint. Looks like you're having that classic internet message board mentality where everything that's either underground, unfinished, released criticized and forgotten but then after a while better than the official shit... basically everything is better than the official version. Basically if the situation as reversed (Kush being the flop single and Under Pressure being the official one), people would make threads how finished Kush track would sound better than Under Pressure. People over analyze things too much nowadays.
Under Pressure may have been better in a finished form. Just speculating, but i think so. Neither are really what I'd like to hear. And this 'internet message board mentality' is just me being personal with the opinions and putting it out there. I thought you might give me a little more credit than the average message board hypocrite :P
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wait for the amount of threads when detox actually drops! :cow:
Ha, that will be nice to see. First page full of [Detox]...... ...... ;)
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i think Dre is not sure about the direction of his single, if you look at the creation of Under pressure for example.
by the way, Matty, you forgot to attach this song:
http://www.youtube.com/v/zG0ATtt_-d0?fs=1
Not to get off topic, but I just listened to the Guerillas In Tha mist album about a week ago 8)
About Kush, while not a bad song, to think that it's the single for one of the most anticipated albums in history is puzzling.
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i see where you're coming from. compared to some of the tracks coming out in the early 00s, it's definitely inferior.
but, like some people have said, it's bumpable. hopefully the next song to come will be something epic
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i see where you're coming from. compared to some of the tracks coming out in the early 00s, it's definitely inferior.
but, like some people have said, it's bumpable. hopefully the next song to come will be something epic
definitely bumpable. i've had the shit on every day. doesn't make my a hypocrite but the opinion is mainly what i think about it from a wider perspective as i know it would get very limited spins in the future. i'd also presume dre would have improved his quality for his own project, not for it to be weaker than previous crossover tracks. too much expectation i guess.
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^^^ I think that's the key homie, too much expectation. It looks like Dre was going to try and go in a different direction ala Under pressure, I Dominate, but the feedback from Under Pressure killed that shit dead, so now he's trying to play it safe and update his classic Westcoast sound. I love the track, but I think Detox is going to dissapoint a lot of people, the anticipation is so high that if it doesn't instantly give your ears an orgasm it will be viewed as a failure. I'm just enjoying the music, and for me Kush bumps. Like someone said though, 2 Game verses and a Snoop verse and would of been the perfect set up for RED
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And lol at saying Under Pressure is better. Dre sounded so awkward on that joint. Looks like you're having that classic internet message board mentality where everything that's either underground, unfinished, released criticized and forgotten but then after a while better than the official shit... basically everything is better than the official version. Basically if the situation as reversed (Kush being the flop single and Under Pressure being the official one), people would make threads how finished Kush track would sound better than Under Pressure. People over analyze things too much nowadays.
Under Pressure may have been better in a finished form. Just speculating, but i think so. Neither are really what I'd like to hear. And this 'internet message board mentality' is just me being personal with the opinions and putting it out there. I thought you might give me a little more credit than the average message board hypocrite :P
I do, I do. The whole post wasn't aimed directly at you but also at this sudden movement of some people being die hard Bishop Lamont fans now, when everybody was criticizing him when he was on Afermath. The whole "let's root for the under dog" mentality.
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^^^ I think that's the key homie, too much expectation. It looks like Dre was going to try and go in a different direction ala Under pressure, I Dominate, but the feedback from Under Pressure killed that shit dead, so now he's trying to play it safe and update his classic Westcoast sound. I love the track, but I think Detox is going to dissapoint a lot of people, the anticipation is so high that if it doesn't instantly give your ears an orgasm it will be viewed as a failure. I'm just enjoying the music, and for me Kush bumps. Like someone said though, 2 Game verses and a Snoop verse and would of been the perfect set up for RED
this is it. lock the topic. ;)
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Track is crowded for sure , but is indeed a top notch instrumental .The beats is next level shit and will be good enough to grab the attention of general music fans .The lyrics are mediocre at best . I have a feeling he is gonna leave the video on the shelf and put something else out .There still isn't any reliable sources on the February release date , right ?
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Firstly, Kush is a much better track than Under Pressure.
when you say if Under Pressure was "finished", to me that includes new vocals.
Dre and Jay Z sounded out of touch, past their used by dates ... they had no idea how to flow over it.
We have some HUGE expectations for the Detox album.
And that is Dr Dre's fault, he keeps us waiting for this long ... then we wait more.
taking this much time we are thinking "he must be cooking something revolutionary"
We expect him to change the sound of Hiphop.
Truth is, we would probably think Kush was magical had he dropped it 7 years ago.
Time will tell, I'm sure Detox will be a 5 Mic album, but we will give it 4 because we expected more.
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this track doesn't really change my thoughts on Detox for quite a few reasons (Dre's comments partly) but by itself it seems unusually average, no groove to it. I don't think Detox is gonna live up to my expectations (almost impossible) but I expect it to be a damn lot better than this and with at least a few tracks that really hit the spot. They'll be there, no doubt, but to me it would have made sense to start with something much better and more head nodding. My opinion doesn't mean anything in the scheme of things, but fuck it, record labels seems to dropping the ball all over the place these days.
And Detox can certainly be sick without being a total revolution/classic. If it's not amazing it's not instantly crap. Let it be known.
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Truth is, we would probably think Kush was magical had he dropped it 7 years ago.
i dont think that's true. the music Dre was coming out with in the early part of the decade was better than this
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Dre's should release detox and the proceed to release the Aftermath recording sessions as higher priced box sets in chronological order.
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Kush is dope
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I don't really have much more to say about Kush than what I've already said. I just think it's a good but narrow song. Like, it doesn't break out of the box that we can place it in -- a club-oriented hip hop song circa 2010. It doesn't transcend that specific niche. Therefore, if you like contemporary clubbish rap songs, you'll probably love this song; if you don't like that specific sub-genre of hip hop (like me), you're probably not gonna like Kush. It's just a well made but narrow song, imo.
I do laugh when people say this is the street single, though. There's nothing street about it, at all. ;)
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I don't really have much more to say about Kush than what I've already said. I just think it's a good but narrow song. Like, it doesn't break out of the box that we can place it in -- a club-oriented hip hop song circa 2010. It doesn't transcend that specific niche. Therefore, if you like contemporary clubbish rap songs, you'll probably love this song; if you don't like that specific sub-genre of hip hop (like me), you're probably not gonna like Kush. It's just a well made but narrow song, imo.
I do laugh when people say this is the street single, though. There's nothing street about it, at all. ;)
You have zero credibility in this thread, your user name is detox is a myth lol
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Who cares what his username is? He provided a legit response unlike your comment about his comment which didn't contribute anything like this comment
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i think 'under pressure' or something like it, but more "gangster" sounding i suppose? would have been better if polished & finished of course, to start as a single...
logistically if dre and the label did that initially and if there really was going to be a massive disappointment (anticipointment) w/ it, then releasing something like 'kush' after all that might have been better?? just a thought.
this song 'kush' is ok for Dr. Dre outside of DETOX but w/ the subject matter difference would be just plain confusing... :-\
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You guys with your unreal expectations. Do you guys listen to commercial "rap"? If you don't like this, then what getting released these days do you like. Snoop, Warren, Cube, all been releasing mediocre shit for years. It's not the 90's anymore. These guys are all passed their primes.
Compare this track to singles being released today. Now try and tell me it sucks.
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Compare this track to singles being released today. Now try and tell me it sucks.
IMO there are singles out there that easliy shit on Kush, only they can't sell and go unnoticed.
Everyone's saying Kush sucks because they expected the first single to be instantly great and it would blow his past work like "Nuthin' But A G Thang" and "Still Dre" out of the water, only it didn't turn out that way to them for their own reasons (Akon being on the hook, having Sly do a Nate-impersonation, Dre's new angry and drunk flow etc...).
I personally have doubts about Kush being the first single though. It came out as a leak and then as a iTunes single but I don't remember Interscope or Dre or anybody announcing it beforehand. Whereas with Under Pressure Dre and Jimmy had announced it before it leaked.
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Compare this track to singles being released today. Now try and tell me it sucks.
IMO there are singles out there that easliy shit on Kush, only they can't sell and go unnoticed.
Everyone's saying Kush sucks because they expected the first single to be instantly great and it would blow his past work like "Nuthin' But A G Thang" and "Still Dre" out of the water, only it didn't turn out that way to them for their own reasons (Akon being on the hook, having Sly do a Nate-impersonation, Dre's new angry and drunk flow etc...).
I personally have doubts about Kush being the first single though. It came out as a leak and then as a iTunes single but I don't remember Interscope or Dre or anybody announcing it beforehand. Whereas with Under Pressure Dre and Jimmy had announced it before it leaked.
It was confirmed as a single by Dre himself. What more do you want?
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It was confirmed as a single by Dre himself. What more do you want?
I know that Dre confirmed it. I guess I'm just confused as to how Kush came out prematurely.
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Compare this track to singles being released today. Now try and tell me it sucks.
IMO there are singles out there that easliy shit on Kush, only they can't sell and go unnoticed.
Everyone's saying Kush sucks because they expected the first single to be instantly great and it would blow his past work like "Nuthin' But A G Thang" and "Still Dre" out of the water, only it didn't turn out that way to them for their own reasons (Akon being on the hook, having Sly do a Nate-impersonation, Dre's new angry and drunk flow etc...).
I personally have doubts about Kush being the first single though. It came out as a leak and then as a iTunes single but I don't remember Interscope or Dre or anybody announcing it beforehand. Whereas with Under Pressure Dre and Jimmy had announced it before it leaked.
i do remember that Dre said that there would be some new music at the end of the year
this track doesn't really change my thoughts on Detox for quite a few reasons (Dre's comments partly) but by itself it seems unusually average, no groove to it. I don't think Detox is gonna live up to my expectations (almost impossible) but I expect it to be a damn lot better than this and with at least a few tracks that really hit the spot. They'll be there, no doubt, but to me it would have made sense to start with something much better and more head nodding. My opinion doesn't mean anything in the scheme of things, but fuck it, record labels seems to dropping the ball all over the place these days.
And Detox can certainly be sick without being a total revolution/classic. If it's not amazing it's not instantly crap. Let it be known.
yeah. that's why the 'expectations' argument doesn't really apply to me.
i really believe that Dre can do better than Kush
And lol at saying Under Pressure is better. Dre sounded so awkward on that joint. Looks like you're having that classic internet message board mentality where everything that's either underground, unfinished, released criticized and forgotten but then after a while better than the official shit... basically everything is better than the official version. Basically if the situation as reversed (Kush being the flop single and Under Pressure being the official one), people would make threads how finished Kush track would sound better than Under Pressure. People over analyze things too much nowadays.
Under Pressure may have been better in a finished form. Just speculating, but i think so. Neither are really what I'd like to hear. And this 'internet message board mentality' is just me being personal with the opinions and putting it out there. I thought you might give me a little more credit than the average message board hypocrite :P
I do, I do. The whole post wasn't aimed directly at you but also at this sudden movement of some people being die hard Bishop Lamont fans now, when everybody was criticizing him when he was on Afermath. The whole "let's root for the under dog" mentality.
yeah.
i think the peak of the comments was after the game diss & no country for old men
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Matty writing paper on this one lol. Cant say that I agree with you 100% but I feel what you are saying to some point. Under Pressure could have been huge if it was finished, more polished and ofcoruse with a nice hook.
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For Christs sake. Its Dre and Snoop over a sick beat. I've been waiting for that since 2002. Who cares if it isn't revolutionary if it recaptures the neck breaking coolness of the past? Its like Dre can't fucking win. If it isn't revolutionary, people hate. If it isn't something just like his last album, others hate. Regardless of what he drops, 2 years from now and beyond peeps would be clamoring for what he dropped on his last album. The industry is NEVER ahead of Dre. I hate country music, but if he dropped an album, I'd be a fan. I give the song a 9/10 based on my own personal expectation of Dr. Dre. And compared to EVERY OTHER hip hop song I've heard in the last 5 years, I'd give it a 10/10.
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think that would be the best way for me to sum up why i'm not really down with this joint as much as some. buzz single or not, it just doesn't have the level of class i'd generally associate with a dre production. not the sound exactly...more the kind of sheen and polish to it. very surprising for his own single given how meticulous dude is. someone else made a thread about his beats from the core g-unit era...all those tracks shit on this one. its just nowhere near that level of quality. i highly doubt i'd ever want to play it far off the future.
so after all these beats and ideas that would have been saved this project...this is really one of the best 15/20? don't get me wrong it knocks and everything in its own way, but seems kind of watered down compared to a lot of his previous production. again not strictly to do with the sound, more the execution of the track with like the corny 1, 1, 1 shouts and all the heeeys and hooos. a bit crowded and messy. plus dre's drunk/angry sounding flow doesn't help. akon is a personal thing but i find his wailing annoying, always have. 'holla at my niggie'.
i'm still confident detox will have some super crazy ish, but this track seems like a really unusual way to get the ball rolling. very lacklustre and dissapointing. dre would have been better off canning this track altogether. 0/1 so far. you'd of expected the set-up for this album to be absolutely perfect, promo singles and all.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=anticipointment
i don't want to hear excuses or justifications just if anyone thinks this track is something special or meets their expectations for the whole detox aura and why. or just flame me for having 'ridiculous' standards, 'reading into it too much' or not understanding what a buzz single is supposed to be ;D
if the next thing to drop off the project isn't absolutely insane...
Dude... Nothing, except maybe policitcs, is worth analyzing so much.
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You have zero credibility in this thread, your user name is detox is a myth lol
Yeah, but you have all the credibility in the world being from Australia :P ;D Fact is 1) Detox is a myth until Dre releases an album called Detox ;) and 2) I said I wouldn't change my screen name if Detox does actually drop because it would be a bitch move of me to change my name when I'd be proven wrong. I'm going to keep this name even if Detox drops because I'm not a biitch. :) Besides, my sig has been true for many years now, even if it might eventually no longer be true.
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"Kush" is not the first average production by Dre in years to me. He kinda started to lose his touch in 2007 on 50's Curtis album to me.
2007 was the first year in years that he didn't produce a track that made me go :o And then his productions on Relapse are nice but they still didn't made me go :o
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I give the song a 9/10 based on my own personal expectation of Dr. Dre. And compared to EVERY OTHER hip hop song I've heard in the last 5 years, I'd give it a 10/10.
Exactly how much music have you listened to the past 5 years? :D
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Fact is 1) Detox is a myth until Dre releases an album called Detox ;)
That's not how a myth works.
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Fact is 1) Detox is a myth until Dre releases an album called Detox ;)
That's not how a myth works.
It's how presenting evidence to contradict an argument works.
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ya'll expecting way too much from DETOX....
People are waiting for Unicorns to come out of the Speakers.......
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Fact is 1) Detox is a myth until Dre releases an album called Detox ;)
That's not how a myth works.
It's how presenting evidence to contradict an argument works.
Evidence? There's more evidence of Detox than there is of any other scheduled album. :D
It doesn't even need to come out. Even if Detox were scrapped, it would be a canceled album, not a myth.
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I like it how Detox is a myth but there was 11 years between Toy Story 2 and 3. No one said Pixar fell off ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I like it how Detox is a myth but there was 11 years between Toy Story 2 and 3. No one said Pixar fell off ;D ;D ;D ;D
Disney always comes through though.
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Honestly I'd just rather hear Dr. Dre rap about smokin' weed, sendin' niggaz 2 kill people 4 short money, encouraging me 2 get drunk, DEATH ROW RECORDS, some politics, raps about hoes, and being able to literally shit and wipe his ass clean with fresh money. Standard Dr. Dre shit but on some 2012 shit. Darker beats, none of that "drink the kool aid" shit, real classy gangsta music like that Bugatti Boyz shit but mixed with that "OG 2 BG" shit, and ghetto ass sine wave synths mixed with some mexican stratocasters and harder sounding 808's than a Gucci Mane drum pattern but without tha Three 6 Mafia hi hats.
as far as "Kush" goes, I'm sure i'll forget about when I get the rest of tha album. The version with Game on it sounds better tho.
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Dre created this "myth & monster" called Detox all by himself. He has continued to hype an album for over a decade knowing fans were anxiously waiting to hear the final product. Only God & Dre know how many variations of the album & tracks that were created to land a spot on this. I'm not sure if Dre intended to be the Geroge Lucas of rap, but he sure is now. Most people's expectations grew the longer he waited to put this out. To the point where now NOTHING he releases will be able to please everyone. That's what happens when you promote some mysterious project for so long.
Just my three cents ;)
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Honestly I'd just rather hear Dr. Dre rap about smokin' weed, sendin' niggaz 2 kill people 4 short money, encouraging me 2 get drunk, DEATH ROW RECORDS, some politics, raps about hoes, and being able to literally shit and wipe his ass clean with fresh money. Standard Dr. Dre shit but on some 2012 shit. Darker beats, none of that "drink the kool aid" shit, real classy gangsta music like that Bugatti Boyz shit but mixed with that "OG 2 BG" shit, and ghetto ass sine wave synths mixed with some mexican stratocasters and harder sounding 808's than a Gucci Mane drum pattern but without tha Three 6 Mafia hi hats.
as far as "Kush" goes, I'm sure i'll forget about when I get the rest of tha album. The version with Game on it sounds better tho.
Good post. Lost all credibility with the last paragraph though ;D
Dre created this "myth & monster" called Detox all by himself. He has continued to hype an album for over a decade knowing fans were anxiously waiting to hear the final product. Only God & Dre know how many variations of the album & tracks that were created to land a spot on this. I'm not sure if Dre intended to be the Geroge Lucas of rap, but he sure is now. Most people's expectations grew the longer he waited to put this out. To the point where now NOTHING he releases will be able to please everyone. That's what happens when you promote some mysterious project for so long.
Just my three cents ;)
Good point well made 8) 8)
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Fuck that, Dr. Dre can meet ALL of tha expectations, its his choice of whether he wants to or not. He can tha Lady Gaga route and plz only ONE demographic or he can do go 4 whut he knows and keep everybody happy, its all on him. The mystique has kinda died down a little bit so its not like Detox is a fantasy anymore, he`s just got 2 do it justice.
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Everybody doesnt have tha same hypeful expectations as us core heads are. I think most people arent expecting Detox to change tha game, everybody is just mainly expecting great music, Dre can do that, Im sure there`s alott`ve it in tha vaults.
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Everybody doesnt have tha same hypeful expectations as us core heads are. I think most people arent expecting Detox to change tha game, everybody is just mainly expecting great music, Dre can do that, Im sure there`s alott`ve it in tha vaults.
now whut would be kinda tite is that if he released on tha stellar tracks in the years recording Detox (as THE Mixtape), like so:
01 - 2000 Introduction Interlude
02 - 2000 feat. Snoop Dogg & Nate Dogg
03 - 2001 feat. Eminem, Hittman, & X Zibit
04 - 2002 feat. Rakim, Ice Cube, & Truth Hurts
05 - 2003 feat. 50 Cent
06 - 2004
07 - 2005 feat. Game
08 - 2006 feat. Joell Ortiz & Stat Quo
09 - 2007 feat. Bishop Lamont
10 - 2008
11 - 2009 feat. Slim Tha Mobster
12 - 2010 feat. Snoop Dogg, Eminem, & 50 Cent
13 - 2011/2011 Outrolude
tha features are just extra shit i threw in there to "create it" a little bit. it would be a metamorphosis of his sound and a representation of the Aftermath sound and brand. You'd literally be able to hear him progress from 1 stage to tha next.
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Honestly I'd just rather hear Dr. Dre rap about smokin' weed, sendin' niggaz 2 kill people 4 short money, encouraging me 2 get drunk, DEATH ROW RECORDS, some politics, raps about hoes, and being able to literally shit and wipe his ass clean with fresh money. Standard Dr. Dre shit but on some 2012 shit. Darker beats, none of that "drink the kool aid" shit, real classy gangsta music like that Bugatti Boyz shit but mixed with that "OG 2 BG" shit, and ghetto ass sine wave synths mixed with some mexican stratocasters and harder sounding 808's than a Gucci Mane drum pattern but without tha Three 6 Mafia hi hats.
as far as "Kush" goes, I'm sure i'll forget about when I get the rest of tha album. The version with Game on it sounds better tho.
Good Post. the versions with Game (both) shits on the original version. Fuck the HATIN :)
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Honestly I'd just rather hear Dr. Dre rap about smokin' weed, sendin' niggaz 2 kill people 4 short money, encouraging me 2 get drunk, DEATH ROW RECORDS, some politics, raps about hoes, and being able to literally shit and wipe his ass clean with fresh money. Standard Dr. Dre shit but on some 2012 shit. Darker beats, none of that "drink the kool aid" shit, real classy gangsta music like that Bugatti Boyz shit but mixed with that "OG 2 BG" shit, and ghetto ass sine wave synths mixed with some mexican stratocasters and harder sounding 808's than a Gucci Mane drum pattern but without tha Three 6 Mafia hi hats.
as far as "Kush" goes, I'm sure i'll forget about when I get the rest of tha album. The version with Game on it sounds better tho.
Good Post. the versions with Game (both) shits on the original version. Fuck the HATIN :)
it doesn't "Shit" on it but with him in the mix it turned out better.
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Kush is great, you just expected too much.
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Kush is great, you just expected too much.
sorry ikke but i disagree - I think the song is very boring
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Kush is great, you just expected too much.
nope
Fact is 1) Detox is a myth until Dre releases an album called Detox ;)
That's not how a myth works.
It's how presenting evidence to contradict an argument works.
lay off the crack
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Kush is great, you just expected too much.
sorry ikke but i disagree - I think the song is very boring
Great beat, great vibe.
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Make Up Sex is more banging 8)
That's right, a leftover and corny Game R&B style joint has a harder hitting beat than the first single for Detox.
My pesonal experience is that non hip-hop people are feeling that one way more than Kush too.
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think that would be the best way for me to sum up why i'm not really down with this joint as much as some. buzz single or not, it just doesn't have the level of class i'd generally associate with a dre production. not the sound exactly...more the kind of sheen and polish to it. very surprising for his own single given how meticulous dude is. someone else made a thread about his beats from the core g-unit era...all those tracks shit on this one. its just nowhere near that level of quality. i highly doubt i'd ever want to play it far off the future.
so after all these beats and ideas that would have been saved this project...this is really one of the best 15/20? don't get me wrong it knocks and everything in its own way, but seems kind of watered down compared to a lot of his previous production. again not strictly to do with the sound, more the execution of the track with like the corny 1, 1, 1 shouts and all the heeeys and hooos. a bit crowded and messy. plus dre's drunk/angry sounding flow doesn't help. akon is a personal thing but i find his wailing annoying, always have. 'holla at my niggie'.
i'm still confident detox will have some super crazy ish, but this track seems like a really unusual way to get the ball rolling. very lacklustre and dissapointing. dre would have been better off canning this track altogether. 0/1 so far. you'd of expected the set-up for this album to be absolutely perfect, promo singles and all.
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i don't want to hear excuses or justifications just if anyone thinks this track is something special or meets their expectations for the whole detox aura and why. or just flame me for having 'ridiculous' standards, 'reading into it too much' or not understanding what a buzz single is supposed to be ;D
if the next thing to drop off the project isn't absolutely insane...
Dude... Nothing, except maybe policitcs, is worth analyzing so much.
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we get it man , Shit popped off is better and the Outta Control remix beat is how Detox should sound :laugh:
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ya'll expecting way too much from DETOX....
People are waiting for Unicorns to come out of the Speakers.......
lmao! exactly this!
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Its Dre and Snoop over a sick beat. I've been waiting for that since 2002.
2002? Didn't Dre and Snoop hook up for IMAGINE on BCT? Imagine kills Kush IMO
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we get it man , Shit popped off is better and the Outta Control remix beat is how Detox should sound :laugh:
yup :laugh:
just noticed that outta control remix actually seems to be a very early blueprint for these new style beats (only make up sex and kush so far). maybe dre has been listening :laugh: 8)
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kush is really disapointing, dre brings nothing new to the table
does he ever bring anything new to the table ? dre was always a weak rapper. beats carried him most of his career so i don't understand why niggaz got a problem with it now.
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The Wash >>>>>>>
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kush is really disapointing, dre brings nothing new to the table
does he ever bring anything new to the table ? dre was always a weak rapper. beats carried him most of his career so i don't understand why niggaz got a problem with it now.
dont be fuckin pathetic, you wanna say that Dre never made anything fresh? "The Chronic", and specially "2001"?
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Kush is great, you just expected too much.
Fact is 1) Detox is a myth until Dre releases an album called Detox ;)
That's not how a myth works.
It's how presenting evidence to contradict an argument works.
lay off the crack
LOL nope 8) 8) 8)
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ya'll expecting way too much from DETOX....
People are waiting for Unicorns to come out of the Speakers.......
i'm expecing nothing but good music. it may be simple music (like 2001), it may be complex music. i don't care until it's good rap music.
If I Need A Doctor and Kush are Detox tracks then i'm disappointed because these tracks are far from good rap music.
I was anticipating Detox but now i predict a flop....
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I don't expect it to be good cuz it took a long time to make. I expect it to be good because it's the D.R.E . It's an album by the man responsible for some of the sickest tracks in hiphop history. Like 90% of Dre produced tracks between 1987 and 2007 are very good or classic, so of course I expect something very good or classic. Just like when Martin Scorsese has a new movie out I expect it to be very good or classic for example.
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I can agree that the song is better than most of the mainstream crap out there, but I wouldn't say its that much better. The track is still wack. I dont think it has nearly as much replay value as Nuthin But a G Thang and Still D.R.E. For a single on an album with this much anticipation, I'm rather disappointed and it's not because I have high expectations. I'm sure there will be some dope tracks on the album still. But this single is a fail.
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some good comments. seems to me like some people's expectations are far too low and that dre is getting judged by the standards of terrible mainstream music in recent times.
but it's preference whether you think this track is merely average/good or great. imo no way is this a great track, the very least i would expect from dre. more like good, perhaps bordering on very good. ie crap by dre standards. akon is only on it cause he's a real player in interscope-ville. the beat sounded hot as a background beat in an ad, but far less impressive in final song form and as an actual single. anticipointment.
but still, i don't believe this is the real shit. more a product of interscope's corny marketing strategy and dre's willingness to please jimmy. it should be obvious when dre drops something of far higher quality that makes this track seem crappy in comparison. or he's just completely lost it. naaaaaaah :laugh:
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or he's just completely lost it. naaaaaaah :laugh:
8)
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we get it man , Shit popped off is better and the Outta Control remix beat is how Detox should sound :laugh:
;D
Make Up Sex is more banging 8)
That's right, a leftover and corny Game R&B style joint has a harder hitting beat than the first single for Detox.
My pesonal experience is that non hip-hop people are feeling that one way more than Kush too.
you need a doctor
some good comments. seems to me like some people's expectations are far too low and that dre is getting judged by the standards of terrible mainstream music in recent times.
but it's preference whether you think this track is merely average/good or great. imo no way is this a great track, the very least i would expect from dre. more like good, perhaps bordering on very good. ie crap by dre standards. akon is only on it cause he's a real player in interscope-ville. the beat sounded hot as a background beat in an ad, but far less impressive in final song form and as an actual single. anticipointment.
but still, i don't believe this is the real shit. more a product of interscope's corny marketing strategy and dre's willingness to please jimmy. it should be obvious when dre drops something of far higher quality that makes this track seem crappy in comparison. or he's just completely lost it. naaaaaaah :laugh:
well under pressure was scrapped, so i think you need to point the finger at Dre for kush
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he released this single because smoking weed is cool again.
it took a back seat thru the late part of the past decade to thizz, and syrup and perscription drugs and shit but with wiz and currensey having strong movements and they seemingly have the ear of the youth it makes sense that dre would put kush out.
hes reintroducing himself to the kids.
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I think Dr. Dre made it clear that he was not intending to release this song. He clearly states that the song is nothing like the album. Is he lying? Probably, but he said that the only reason he decided to go with it, was because people seemed to like it. I also read that this track is only a WARMUP and not the official first single of the album. He usually brings out another video right before the release of the album and I don't think he has a release date yet. So we can expect to hear more shit coming soon and maybe it will be different than this. AKON was a mistake in my opinion. I'm tired of that bitch, especially after his comments on Nate Dogg. The fucker has the same tone and delivery in all of his bars and hopefully Dr. DRe discard that track from the album. I can honestly say I did like the beat, but i will agree that it is nothing spectacular. I like the combination of Dre and Snoop, which never gets old but i agree that it was not the track that was going to blow everyones mind. It's a cool track but im sure Dr. Dre is coming back with some heaters soon.
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I think Dr. Dre made it clear that he was not intending to release this song. He clearly states that the song is nothing like the album. Is he lying? Probably, but he said that the only reason he decided to go with it, was because people seemed to like it. I also read that this track is only a WARMUP and not the official first single of the album. He usually brings out another video right before the release of the album and I don't think he has a release date yet. So we can expect to hear more shit coming soon and maybe it will be different than this. AKON was a mistake in my opinion. I'm tired of that bitch, especially after his comments on Nate Dogg. The fucker has the same tone and delivery in all of his bars and hopefully Dr. DRe discard that track from the album. I can honestly say I did like the beat, but i will agree that it is nothing spectacular. I like the combination of Dre and Snoop, which never gets old but i agree that it was not the track that was going to blow everyones mind. It's a cool track but im sure Dr. Dre is coming back with some heaters soon.
you might be right. but what would you say if 'i need a doctor' was the next single and is from detox?
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I like it how Detox is a myth but there was 11 years between Toy Story 2 and 3. No one said Pixar fell off ;D ;D ;D ;D
Disney always comes through though.
True Disney never fails.
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I think Dr. Dre made it clear that he was not intending to release this song. He clearly states that the song is nothing like the album. Is he lying? Probably, but he said that the only reason he decided to go with it, was because people seemed to like it. I also read that this track is only a WARMUP and not the official first single of the album. He usually brings out another video right before the release of the album and I don't think he has a release date yet. So we can expect to hear more shit coming soon and maybe it will be different than this. AKON was a mistake in my opinion. I'm tired of that bitch, especially after his comments on Nate Dogg. The fucker has the same tone and delivery in all of his bars and hopefully Dr. DRe discard that track from the album. I can honestly say I did like the beat, but i will agree that it is nothing spectacular. I like the combination of Dre and Snoop, which never gets old but i agree that it was not the track that was going to blow everyones mind. It's a cool track but im sure Dr. Dre is coming back with some heaters soon.
you might be right. but what would you say if 'i need a doctor' was the next single and is from detox?
Im pretty sure that shit won't be the next single. I also can't understand why people keep trying to compare this track with "nothing but a g thang" or "still d.r.e"?? That time was totally different. Chronic came out when the WEST was on fire and on top of the world. Everything got MAD play those days. And Still D.R.E. was Dre's great comeback and that West Coast sound was still alive. Music is completely different now and im actually surprised Dre is getting this much air play when you compare all the crap on radio right now. Dre has the balls to still keep it OG and not worry about going with the trend now a days.
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Kush is great, you just expected too much.
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Kush is great, you just expected too much.
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Of course it has no class, Dre is an old man, he should be doing sth different than songs about weed. This Gangster Rap formula is played out, I would expect from Cube, Dre et al sth. innovative...
It's embarassing... Instead of showing some maturity they still have to act Gangsta in front of their die hard fans they got left.
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Of course it has no class, Dre is an old man, he should be doing sth different than songs about weed. This Gangster Rap formula is played out, I would expect from Cube, Dre et al sth. innovative...
It's embarassing... Instead of showing some maturity they still have to act Gangsta in front of their die hard fans they got left.
thats exactly how I feel!
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Of course it has no class, Dre is an old man, he should be doing sth different than songs about weed. This Gangster Rap formula is played out, I would expect from Cube, Dre et al sth. innovative...
It's embarassing... Instead of showing some maturity they still have to act Gangsta in front of their die hard fans they got left.
how is smoking weed gangsta?
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Of course it has no class, Dre is an old man, he should be doing sth different than songs about weed. This Gangster Rap formula is played out, I would expect from Cube, Dre et al sth. innovative...
It's embarassing... Instead of showing some maturity they still have to act Gangsta in front of their die hard fans they got left.
how is smoking weed gangsta?
its not about it being gangsta, but when u hit a certain age, there are some stuff that u cant really say or do, you get more mature . smoking weed may look good when ur young but when you are almost 50 people expect you to bring more interesting stuff.. but that is a problem in gansta rap
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Has no class??? Have you heard some of the shit that gets played now a days?
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Of course it has no class, Dre is an old man, he should be doing sth different than songs about weed. This Gangster Rap formula is played out, I would expect from Cube, Dre et al sth. innovative...
It's embarassing... Instead of showing some maturity they still have to act Gangsta in front of their die hard fans they got left.
how is smoking weed gangsta?
its not about it being gangsta, but when u hit a certain age, there are some stuff that u cant really say or do, you get more mature . smoking weed may look good when ur young but when you are almost 50 people expect you to bring more interesting stuff.. but that is a problem in gansta rap
How so? Even if there is a certain age limit to things, smoking weed ain't one of them. Actually the most famous potheads are/were old ass dudes. I mean damn, Tommy Chong was 40 when the first Cheech and Chong movie came out. And that was the beginning of his career. Snoop, Bob Marley, Willie Nelson, etc etc. Weed definitely isn't a young man's thing.
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Of course it has no class, Dre is an old man, he should be doing sth different than songs about weed. This Gangster Rap formula is played out, I would expect from Cube, Dre et al sth. innovative...
It's embarassing... Instead of showing some maturity they still have to act Gangsta in front of their die hard fans they got left.
how is smoking weed gangsta?
its not about it being gangsta, but when u hit a certain age, there are some stuff that u cant really say or do, you get more mature . smoking weed may look good when ur young but when you are almost 50 people expect you to bring more interesting stuff.. but that is a problem in gansta rap
How so? Even if there is a certain age limit to things, smoking weed ain't one of them. Actually the most famous potheads are/were old ass dudes. I mean damn, Tommy Chong was 40 when the first Cheech and Chong movie came out. And that was the beginning of his career. Snoop, Bob Marley, Willie Nelson, etc etc. Weed definitely isn't a young man's thing.
Lol Bob Marley is the best example you could give. Of course he smoked like a chimney, but the point is that he had more to offer than childish songs about weed. Dre is riding weed since he realized that it became cool with the success of Snoop and co. Sorry but it's not very crative and original to rap about the same thing for 20 + years. I mean, Al Green or the Isley Brothers can sing about love for like 50 years, but rapping about weed and defending the Gangsta image isn't very creative. I thought Dre and Cube were pretty smart for Gangsta Rappers, so I hoped they would be able to progress and have sth more to tell, but obviously they don't want to breach out their corner. It doesn't matter if you're old and smoke weed, but I think it's pretty sad if you don't have more to offer in your music.
On 2001 the sound was atleast fresh which can't be said about Kush.
And of course weed has sth to do with being Gangsta, it's an integral part of 'Gangsta culture' (or atleast the portrayal of it) If it's in movies or Gangsta Rap, weed is always portrayed as the 'cool drug' while crack is the drug for the fuck ups.
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Of course it has no class, Dre is an old man, he should be doing sth different than songs about weed. This Gangster Rap formula is played out, I would expect from Cube, Dre et al sth. innovative...
It's embarassing... Instead of showing some maturity they still have to act Gangsta in front of their die hard fans they got left.
how is smoking weed gangsta?
its not about it being gangsta, but when u hit a certain age, there are some stuff that u cant really say or do, you get more mature . smoking weed may look good when ur young but when you are almost 50 people expect you to bring more interesting stuff.. but that is a problem in gansta rap
How so? Even if there is a certain age limit to things, smoking weed ain't one of them. Actually the most famous potheads are/were old ass dudes. I mean damn, Tommy Chong was 40 when the first Cheech and Chong movie came out. And that was the beginning of his career. Snoop, Bob Marley, Willie Nelson, etc etc. Weed definitely isn't a young man's thing.
Lol Bob Marley is the best example you could give. Of course he smoked like a chimney, but the point is that he had more to offer than childish songs about weed. Dre is riding weed since he realized that it became cool with the success of Snoop and co. Sorry but it's not very crative and original to rap about the same thing for 20 + years. I mean, Al Green or the Isley Brothers can sing about love for like 50 years, but rapping about weed and defending the Gangsta image isn't very creative. I thought Dre and Cube were pretty smart for Gangsta Rappers, so I hoped they would be able to progress and have sth more to tell, but obviously they don't want to breach out their corner. It doesn't matter if you're old and smoke weed, but I think it's pretty sad if you don't have more to offer in your music.
On 2001 the sound was atleast fresh which can't be said about Kush.
And of course weed has sth to do with being Gangsta, it's an integral part of 'Gangsta culture' (or atleast the portrayal of it) If it's in movies or Gangsta Rap, weed is always portrayed as the 'cool drug' while crack is the drug for the fuck ups.
If you want to complain about Dre having limited subject matter go ahead, but it shouldn't have anything to do with his age. He's rapped about the same topics his whole career. You're blind if you're only now realizing this. Dre ain't no Bob Marley and he never has been.
And weed has no more to do with "gangsta culture" than it does with hippie culture or rock culture. Its the most common recreational drug that damn near everyone has partook in.
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europe :grumpy:
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Has no class??? Have you heard some of the shit that gets played now a days?
And does the fact that radio plays total shit today, make Kush better? Its a good record, done very well, but great point is that it has no that much of class like Dre's older records. But its still very good track. Like it a lot.
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We will look back in a few years and call Kush a dope record, why it's not as good as what i expected from Dre - it's 124362452 times better than most of the other shit on the radio.
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Another hate on DRE Day Thread Yeeeah! Wait a min I thought it was Martin Luther King Jr day?? Hmmmm? ??? Anyhow I don't even have to look at this thread to know its just another hate on Dre when he still doing his thing!
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We will look back in a few years and call Kush a dope record, why it's not as good as what i expected from Dre - it's 124362452 times better than most of the other shit on the radio.
nah, i'd rather bump the unfinished Shit Popped Off Demo over this. there should still be some dope tracks on the album, but 'I Need A Doctor' isn't one either. so it comes down to hoping more than 3/4 of the joints on Detox are up to scratch. thing is 2001 had a really cohesive sound. we'll see, but at the mo it seems like Dre is watering his shit down to please the 'office' peeps. weak.
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We will look back in a few years and call Kush a dope record, why it's not as good as what i expected from Dre - it's 124362452 times better than most of the other shit on the radio.
nah, i'd rather bump the unfinished Shit Popped Off Demo over this. there should still be some dope tracks on the album, but 'I Need A Doctor' isn't one either. so it comes down to hoping more than 3/4 of the joints on Detox are up to scratch. thing is 2001 had a really cohesive sound. we'll see, but at the mo it seems like Dre is watering his shit down to please the 'office' peeps. weak.
Alright alright! Im' just saying I been reading alot of threads on dre and so far its been the same on most ends people complaining they don't like the new Dre like when people were complaining they didin't like the new Quik sound with Kurupt the Blackout! People need to open their eyes to real artistry when they are trying to expand their talent and work with new sounds and create something differnt then doing the same thing that they already done!
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too many ppl butthurt over an album that has yet to drop.
you guys are setting your self up for heartbreak like a john sprung over a hooker.
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We will look back in a few years and call Kush a dope record, why it's not as good as what i expected from Dre - it's 124362452 times better than most of the other shit on the radio.
nah, i'd rather bump the unfinished Shit Popped Off Demo over this. there should still be some dope tracks on the album, but 'I Need A Doctor' isn't one either. so it comes down to hoping more than 3/4 of the joints on Detox are up to scratch. thing is 2001 had a really cohesive sound. we'll see, but at the mo it seems like Dre is watering his shit down to please the 'office' peeps. weak.
Alright alright! Im' just saying I been reading alot of threads on dre and so far its been the same on most ends people complaining they don't like the new Dre like when people were complaining they didin't like the new Quik sound with Kurupt the Blackout! People need to open their eyes to real artistry when they are trying to expand their talent and work with new sounds and create something differnt then doing the same thing that they already done!
Dre obviously has some crazy new sounds and beats stashed away but it seems we'll have to wait on the actual album to hear 'em :-\ Game's 'Make Up Sex' has ridiculous drums, much better than Kush. and Quik's Blaqkout still has the best production of any west coast album in the past couple of years, imo.
review thread http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=247230.0
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We will look back in a few years and call Kush a dope record, why it's not as good as what i expected from Dre - it's 124362452 times better than most of the other shit on the radio.
nah, i'd rather bump the unfinished Shit Popped Off Demo over this. there should still be some dope tracks on the album, but 'I Need A Doctor' isn't one either. so it comes down to hoping more than 3/4 of the joints on Detox are up to scratch. thing is 2001 had a really cohesive sound. we'll see, but at the mo it seems like Dre is watering his shit down to please the 'office' peeps. weak.
Alright alright! Im' just saying I been reading alot of threads on dre and so far its been the same on most ends people complaining they don't like the new Dre like when people were complaining they didin't like the new Quik sound with Kurupt the Blackout! People need to open their eyes to real artistry when they are trying to expand their talent and work with new sounds and create something differnt then doing the same thing that they already done!
Dre obviously has some crazy new sounds and beats stashed away but it seems we'll have to wait on the actual album to hear 'em :-\ Game's 'Make Up Sex' has ridiculous drums, much better than Kush. and Quik's Blaqkout still has the best production of any west coast album in the past couple of years, imo.
review thread http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=247230.0
Thats right I like Quiks track fuck yall!! Thats banging right there. I give a fuck what anybody says!
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We will look back in a few years and call Kush a dope record, why it's not as good as what i expected from Dre - it's 124362452 times better than most of the other shit on the radio.
nah, i'd rather bump the unfinished Shit Popped Off Demo over this. there should still be some dope tracks on the album, but 'I Need A Doctor' isn't one either. so it comes down to hoping more than 3/4 of the joints on Detox are up to scratch. thing is 2001 had a really cohesive sound. we'll see, but at the mo it seems like Dre is watering his shit down to please the 'office' peeps. weak.
Alright alright! Im' just saying I been reading alot of threads on dre and so far its been the same on most ends people complaining they don't like the new Dre like when people were complaining they didin't like the new Quik sound with Kurupt the Blackout! People need to open their eyes to real artistry when they are trying to expand their talent and work with new sounds and create something differnt then doing the same thing that they already done!
Dre obviously has some crazy new sounds and beats stashed away but it seems we'll have to wait on the actual album to hear 'em :-\ Game's 'Make Up Sex' has ridiculous drums, much better than Kush. and Quik's Blaqkout still has the best production of any west coast album in the past couple of years, imo.
review thread http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=247230.0
Thats right I like Quiks track fuck yall!! Thats banging right there. I give a fuck what anybody says!
i think everyone loved that track! just Blaqkout had quite a few cuts that divided opinion and led to most people calling the whole thing average/poor. But Fuck Y'all, Cream N Ya Panties, Hey Playa, The Appeal - incredible 8)
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i think everyone loved that track! just Blaqkout had quite a few cuts that divided opinion and led to most people calling the whole thing average/poor. But Fuck Y'all, Cream N Ya Panties, Hey Playa, The Appeal - incredible 8)
Agreed. I love the BlaQKout album from start to finish - it is what it is. When it dropped, it was the best Westcoast release since the incredible Westurn Union/Crazy Toones 'House Shoe Musik Vol. 1' (pure dopeness, and essential listening for West Coast fans) 8) 8)
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Of course it has no class, Dre is an old man, he should be doing sth different than songs about weed. This Gangster Rap formula is played out, I would expect from Cube, Dre et al sth. innovative...
It's embarassing... Instead of showing some maturity they still have to act Gangsta in front of their die hard fans they got left.
how is smoking weed gangsta?
its not about it being gangsta, but when u hit a certain age, there are some stuff that u cant really say or do, you get more mature . smoking weed may look good when ur young but when you are almost 50 people expect you to bring more interesting stuff.. but that is a problem in gansta rap
How so? Even if there is a certain age limit to things, smoking weed ain't one of them. Actually the most famous potheads are/were old ass dudes. I mean damn, Tommy Chong was 40 when the first Cheech and Chong movie came out. And that was the beginning of his career. Snoop, Bob Marley, Willie Nelson, etc etc. Weed definitely isn't a young man's thing.
Lol Bob Marley is the best example you could give. Of course he smoked like a chimney, but the point is that he had more to offer than childish songs about weed. Dre is riding weed since he realized that it became cool with the success of Snoop and co. Sorry but it's not very crative and original to rap about the same thing for 20 + years. I mean, Al Green or the Isley Brothers can sing about love for like 50 years, but rapping about weed and defending the Gangsta image isn't very creative. I thought Dre and Cube were pretty smart for Gangsta Rappers, so I hoped they would be able to progress and have sth more to tell, but obviously they don't want to breach out their corner. It doesn't matter if you're old and smoke weed, but I think it's pretty sad if you don't have more to offer in your music.
On 2001 the sound was atleast fresh which can't be said about Kush.
And of course weed has sth to do with being Gangsta, it's an integral part of 'Gangsta culture' (or atleast the portrayal of it) If it's in movies or Gangsta Rap, weed is always portrayed as the 'cool drug' while crack is the drug for the fuck ups.
If you want to complain about Dre having limited subject matter go ahead, but it shouldn't have anything to do with his age. He's rapped about the same topics his whole career. You're blind if you're only now realizing this. Dre ain't no Bob Marley and he never has been.
And weed has no more to do with "gangsta culture" than it does with hippie culture or rock culture. Its the most common recreational drug that damn near everyone has partook in.
I know that Dre is no Bob Marley, but Kush is so generic and uninspired that it tops everything. And I know Dre's doing the same thing for most of his career, his 2001 album already wasn't an epiphany in this respect, but atleast the sound was fresh and the features were good. But nowadays his productions aren't that good anymore, and with old Snoop and wack Akon you don't win anything.
And of course weed is an integral part of other cultures, but Dre associates himself with Gangsta culture and not hippie. In Gangsta Rap it's all about drugs, hoes and guns, it's so obvious. This whole weed thing is nothing but an image gimmick Dre exploits in an exaggerated way.
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We will look back in a few years and call Kush a dope record, why it's not as good as what i expected from Dre - it's 124362452 times better than most of the other shit on the radio.
nah, i'd rather bump the unfinished Shit Popped Off Demo over this. there should still be some dope tracks on the album, but 'I Need A Doctor' isn't one either. so it comes down to hoping more than 3/4 of the joints on Detox are up to scratch. thing is 2001 had a really cohesive sound. we'll see, but at the mo it seems like Dre is watering his shit down to please the 'office' peeps. weak.
Alright alright! Im' just saying I been reading alot of threads on dre and so far its been the same on most ends people complaining they don't like the new Dre like when people were complaining they didin't like the new Quik sound with Kurupt the Blackout! People need to open their eyes to real artistry when they are trying to expand their talent and work with new sounds and create something differnt then doing the same thing that they already done!
but is Kush really different/fresh? i don't think so
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I agree that Kush would have been a dope RED single, with snoop on it. Dre sounds too forced and akon just sounds weird
Still dig the track for what its worth tho, could have been a lot worse
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We will look back in a few years and call Kush a dope record, why it's not as good as what i expected from Dre - it's 124362452 times better than most of the other shit on the radio.
nah, i'd rather bump the unfinished Shit Popped Off Demo over this. there should still be some dope tracks on the album, but 'I Need A Doctor' isn't one either. so it comes down to hoping more than 3/4 of the joints on Detox are up to scratch. thing is 2001 had a really cohesive sound. we'll see, but at the mo it seems like Dre is watering his shit down to please the 'office' peeps. weak.
Alright alright! Im' just saying I been reading alot of threads on dre and so far its been the same on most ends people complaining they don't like the new Dre like when people were complaining they didin't like the new Quik sound with Kurupt the Blackout! People need to open their eyes to real artistry when they are trying to expand their talent and work with new sounds and create something differnt then doing the same thing that they already done!
but is Kush really different/fresh? i don't think so
I like it but your right ts definitely not a new sound
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Well I'm still listening to this track on the regular, and am still not bored of it, but mainly because of the beat.
I couldn't give a shit that it supposedly has no class. Have any of Dre's records over the years had 'class'?
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Ya, Kush sounds way too noisey for a Dre track. It sounds crowded and not as clean as his productions usually sound. And his vocals just get lost in it all. I also think Dre is overdoing it just a bit with the piano loops. I hate to be so analytical, but its just how I feel.
In a way, I'm glad they made this the hype single or whatever. This way, when I listen to the album for the first time, I won't hear this and go WTFISTHISSHIT!!!1
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Of course it has no class, Dre is an old man, he should be doing sth different than songs about weed. This Gangster Rap formula is played out, I would expect from Cube, Dre et al sth. innovative...
It's embarassing... Instead of showing some maturity they still have to act Gangsta in front of their die hard fans they got left.
how is smoking weed gangsta?
its not about it being gangsta, but when u hit a certain age, there are some stuff that u cant really say or do, you get more mature . smoking weed may look good when ur young but when you are almost 50 people expect you to bring more interesting stuff.. but that is a problem in gansta rap
How so? Even if there is a certain age limit to things, smoking weed ain't one of them. Actually the most famous potheads are/were old ass dudes. I mean damn, Tommy Chong was 40 when the first Cheech and Chong movie came out. And that was the beginning of his career. Snoop, Bob Marley, Willie Nelson, etc etc. Weed definitely isn't a young man's thing.
Lol Bob Marley is the best example you could give. Of course he smoked like a chimney, but the point is that he had more to offer than childish songs about weed. Dre is riding weed since he realized that it became cool with the success of Snoop and co. Sorry but it's not very crative and original to rap about the same thing for 20 + years. I mean, Al Green or the Isley Brothers can sing about love for like 50 years, but rapping about weed and defending the Gangsta image isn't very creative. I thought Dre and Cube were pretty smart for Gangsta Rappers, so I hoped they would be able to progress and have sth more to tell, but obviously they don't want to breach out their corner. It doesn't matter if you're old and smoke weed, but I think it's pretty sad if you don't have more to offer in your music.
On 2001 the sound was atleast fresh which can't be said about Kush.
And of course weed has sth to do with being Gangsta, it's an integral part of 'Gangsta culture' (or atleast the portrayal of it) If it's in movies or Gangsta Rap, weed is always portrayed as the 'cool drug' while crack is the drug for the fuck ups.
If you want to complain about Dre having limited subject matter go ahead, but it shouldn't have anything to do with his age. He's rapped about the same topics his whole career. You're blind if you're only now realizing this. Dre ain't no Bob Marley and he never has been.
And weed has no more to do with "gangsta culture" than it does with hippie culture or rock culture. Its the most common recreational drug that damn near everyone has partook in.
I know that Dre is no Bob Marley, but Kush is so generic and uninspired that it tops everything. And I know Dre's doing the same thing for most of his career, his 2001 album already wasn't an epiphany in this respect, but atleast the sound was fresh and the features were good. But nowadays his productions aren't that good anymore, and with old Snoop and wack Akon you don't win anything.
And of course weed is an integral part of other cultures, but Dre associates himself with Gangsta culture and not hippie. In Gangsta Rap it's all about drugs, hoes and guns, it's so obvious. This whole weed thing is nothing but an image gimmick Dre exploits in an exaggerated way.
thanks for the play by play franz...you pretty much said what everyone else has said just with a lot more words.
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Of course it has no class, Dre is an old man, he should be doing sth different than songs about weed. This Gangster Rap formula is played out, I would expect from Cube, Dre et al sth. innovative...
It's embarassing... Instead of showing some maturity they still have to act Gangsta in front of their die hard fans they got left.
how is smoking weed gangsta?
its not about it being gangsta, but when u hit a certain age, there are some stuff that u cant really say or do, you get more mature . smoking weed may look good when ur young but when you are almost 50 people expect you to bring more interesting stuff.. but that is a problem in gansta rap
How so? Even if there is a certain age limit to things, smoking weed ain't one of them. Actually the most famous potheads are/were old ass dudes. I mean damn, Tommy Chong was 40 when the first Cheech and Chong movie came out. And that was the beginning of his career. Snoop, Bob Marley, Willie Nelson, etc etc. Weed definitely isn't a young man's thing.
Lol Bob Marley is the best example you could give. Of course he smoked like a chimney, but the point is that he had more to offer than childish songs about weed. Dre is riding weed since he realized that it became cool with the success of Snoop and co. Sorry but it's not very crative and original to rap about the same thing for 20 + years. I mean, Al Green or the Isley Brothers can sing about love for like 50 years, but rapping about weed and defending the Gangsta image isn't very creative. I thought Dre and Cube were pretty smart for Gangsta Rappers, so I hoped they would be able to progress and have sth more to tell, but obviously they don't want to breach out their corner. It doesn't matter if you're old and smoke weed, but I think it's pretty sad if you don't have more to offer in your music.
On 2001 the sound was atleast fresh which can't be said about Kush.
And of course weed has sth to do with being Gangsta, it's an integral part of 'Gangsta culture' (or atleast the portrayal of it) If it's in movies or Gangsta Rap, weed is always portrayed as the 'cool drug' while crack is the drug for the fuck ups.
If you want to complain about Dre having limited subject matter go ahead, but it shouldn't have anything to do with his age. He's rapped about the same topics his whole career. You're blind if you're only now realizing this. Dre ain't no Bob Marley and he never has been.
And weed has no more to do with "gangsta culture" than it does with hippie culture or rock culture. Its the most common recreational drug that damn near everyone has partook in.
I know that Dre is no Bob Marley, but Kush is so generic and uninspired that it tops everything. And I know Dre's doing the same thing for most of his career, his 2001 album already wasn't an epiphany in this respect, but atleast the sound was fresh and the features were good. But nowadays his productions aren't that good anymore, and with old Snoop and wack Akon you don't win anything.
And of course weed is an integral part of other cultures, but Dre associates himself with Gangsta culture and not hippie. In Gangsta Rap it's all about drugs, hoes and guns, it's so obvious. This whole weed thing is nothing but an image gimmick Dre exploits in an exaggerated way.
thanks for the play by play franz...you pretty much said what everyone else has said just with a lot more words.
No problem. I just wanted to make sure he understands it this time.