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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: blazeindave213 on January 05, 2011, 02:03:27 PM
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Number Last Week Artist Album This Week
2
7
Eminem
Recovery
66,144
3 4
Rihanna
Loud
65,074
4
19
Kanye West
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
61,938
5
8
Nicki Minaj
Pink Friday
61,216
13
6
Jamie Foxx
Best Night Of My Life
33,316
15
26
TI
No Mercy
32,593
25
43
Diddy Dirty Money
Last Train To Paris
22,878
http://www.rapbasement.com/sales-charts/010411-hip-hop-rap-and-rb-billboard-soundscan-sales-charts-for-the-week-ending-january-2nd.html
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Total?
Seems like this is on it's way to outselling Hov's Highest Selling album.
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Lol thats insane
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his sales are out selling everything that comes out
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Em is a monster on the charts.
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That single he did with Rhiana ended up being a monster. I figured he'd still be selling pretty strong but it's crazy that he's ahead of Kanye, who just dropped not long ago.
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goddamn
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11-15 year olds must be getting more allowance/pocket money these days.
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11-15 year olds must be getting more allowance/pocket money these days.
lmao
truth right here. if u think rap fans are the ones buying it time to hand in your hip-hop passes
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Illuminati type shit....The industry will buy his albums if they have to,to keep this dude above water...this is bullshit, even em knows it.(THE WHITE WORLDS GREAT WHITE HOPE)...and u retards falling for this shit...he still selling like this...yeah wright.
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yea. and word come to the end at 2012 8) 8)
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I still like his first 3 albums better than what he is doing now but I still give him credit for what he does!
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Illuminati type shit....The industry will buy his albums if they have to,to keep this dude above water...this is bullshit, even em knows it.(THE WHITE WORLDS GREAT WHITE HOPE)...and u retards falling for this shit...he still selling like this...yeah wright.
i really think you are overlooking how much white people love eminem. especially pop listeners (the only people left who buy cds in great numbers)
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Illuminati type shit....The industry will buy his albums if they have to,to keep this dude above water...this is bullshit, even em knows it.(THE WHITE WORLDS GREAT WHITE HOPE)...and u retards falling for this shit...he still selling like this...yeah wright.
i really think you are overlooking how much white people love eminem. especially pop listeners (the only people left who buy cds in great numbers)
Over looking..read my statement again playa...and yes record companys do buy their own artist products..hell aftermath and Jimmyscope has nothing to lose by doing so..em is great..but i do think people over do it alil...cant we all agree with that for gods sake.the dudes getting over on all of us.
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Illuminati type shit....The industry will buy his albums if they have to,to keep this dude above water...this is bullshit, even em knows it.(THE WHITE WORLDS GREAT WHITE HOPE)...and u retards falling for this shit...he still selling like this...yeah wright.
i really think you are overlooking how much white people love eminem. especially pop listeners (the only people left who buy cds in great numbers)
Over looking..read my statement again playa...and yes record companys do buy their own artist products..hell aftermath and Jimmyscope has nothing to lose by doing so..em is great..but i do think people over do it alil...cant we all agree with that for gods sake.the dudes getting over on all of us.
yeah i know it happens but damn when people mention illuminati and record sales together it sounds dumb. i get your point tho
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Illuminati type shit....The industry will buy his albums if they have to,to keep this dude above water...this is bullshit, even em knows it.(THE WHITE WORLDS GREAT WHITE HOPE)...and u retards falling for this shit...he still selling like this...yeah wright.
i really think you are overlooking how much white people love eminem. especially pop listeners (the only people left who buy cds in great numbers)
Over looking..read my statement again playa...and yes record companys do buy their own artist products..hell aftermath and Jimmyscope has nothing to lose by doing so..em is great..but i do think people over do it alil...cant we all agree with that for gods sake.the dudes getting over on all of us.
Nothing to lose? You lose money buying records. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but don't make it seem like they have nothing to lose. Buying up your own records to create hype in the first month can be good business. Doing so all these months later doesn't mean all that much. The bottom line is he is a relevant marketable star based on his art, rather than his celebrity. People like the songs so they buy the music. What a novel idea. If clowns like Kanye, Jay Z, and Drake spent more time making music they can sell and less time selling themselves as artists with out the art.
I can barely hum any actual songs by any of these artists. The Jay Z New York song is the only one I can think, and Jesus Walks. The rest, I can think of but I can't sing aloud to myself.
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^^^Good post. Although I didn't like Recovery too much, it was a good album. That being said, as far as mainstream goes, this is the best your going to see from a rap perspective. I think people dont realize how much fans this guy STILL has. He started to slip in the popularity scale after he disappeared in '07, even after Relapse, but with this release, Em is one of the most, if not THE most popular acts in music.
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The bottom line is he is a relevant marketable star based on his art, rather than his celebrity. People like the songs so they buy the music. What a novel idea. If clowns like Kanye, Jay Z, and Drake spent more time making music they can sell and less time selling themselves as artists with out the art.
There's more to it than that. Kanye West put out an album that had the best critical reception in years and its selling nothing like Ems. Do you really believe that if Jay-Z put out an album on the level of The Blueprint or Reasonable Doubt that it would have monster sales? Its about Eminem being Eminem, not about his music being better than others (which it isn't)
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That single he did with Rhiana ended up being a monster. I figured he'd still be selling pretty strong but it's crazy that he's ahead of Kanye, who just dropped not long ago.
even ppl that use to hate eminem liked that song!
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The bottom line is he is a relevant marketable star based on his art, rather than his celebrity. People like the songs so they buy the music. What a novel idea. If clowns like Kanye, Jay Z, and Drake spent more time making music they can sell and less time selling themselves as artists with out the art.
There's more to it than that. Kanye West put out an album that had the best critical reception in years and its selling nothing like Ems. Do you really believe that if Jay-Z put out an album on the level of The Blueprint or Reasonable Doubt that it would have monster sales? Its about Eminem being Eminem, not about his music being better than others (which it isn't)
And also the fact Kanye is yet to have a monster single. "All Of The Lights" could be the one though, personally I still haven't copped Kanyes album, he spoiled me with that GOOD Friday ish lol, Ima cop it eventually though
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truth right here. if u think rap fans are the ones buying it time to hand in your hip-hop passes
If you're expecting to gage what rap fans are buying with Billboard charts in the first place, hand those babies in. I mean, throwing in the uh, twelve-year-olds bought this or so and so buys this is pointless. It's the Billboard charts and you're bringing up the fact that fans outside of that genre are obviously buying the albums? Well, yes. Anybody that has one of the top 50-selling albums on the pop charts has CROSSED OVER. What's the point?
Over looking..read my statement again playa...and yes record companys do buy their own artist products..hell aftermath and Jimmyscope has nothing to lose by doing so..em is great..but i do think people over do it alil...cant we all agree with that for gods sake.the dudes getting over on all of us.
Interscope ain't buying no fucking Eminem CD's. Let's play the reverse side of your "nothing to lose" argument. What do they gain by doing this?
Illuminati type shit....The industry will buy his albums if they have to,to keep this dude above water...this is bullshit, even em knows it.(THE WHITE WORLDS GREAT WHITE HOPE)...and u retards falling for this shit...he still selling like this...yeah wright.
Well, the way I see it, the retards who fall for that are no worse than the retards who are so bothered by rappers they don't like selling albums that they need to blame it on some government conspiracy involving devil-worshiping. Yes, the Illmunati is an elbaroate plan to sell Eminem albums. Good job. And nobody actually went to see Titanic or Avatar, Fox just bought out theaters so James Cameron can broadcast the Illuminati's "King of the World" speech for the world to hear.
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truth right here. if u think rap fans are the ones buying it time to hand in your hip-hop passes
If you're expecting to gage what rap fans are buying with Billboard charts in the first place, hand those babies in. I mean, throwing in the uh, twelve-year-olds bought this or so and so buys this is pointless. It's the Billboard charts and you're bringing up the fact that fans outside of that genre are obviously buying the albums? Well, yes. Anybody that has one of the top 50-selling albums on the pop charts has CROSSED OVER. What's the point?
Over looking..read my statement again playa...and yes record companys do buy their own artist products..hell aftermath and Jimmyscope has nothing to lose by doing so..em is great..but i do think people over do it alil...cant we all agree with that for gods sake.the dudes getting over on all of us.
Interscope ain't buying no fucking Eminem CD's. Let's play the reverse side of your "nothing to lose" argument. What do they gain by doing this?
Illuminati type shit....The industry will buy his albums if they have to,to keep this dude above water...this is bullshit, even em knows it.(THE WHITE WORLDS GREAT WHITE HOPE)...and u retards falling for this shit...he still selling like this...yeah wright.
Well, the way I see it, the retards who fall for that are no worse than the retards who are so bothered by rappers they don't like selling albums that they need to blame it on some government conspiracy involving devil-worshiping. Yes, the Illmunati is an elbaroate plan to sell Eminem albums. Good job. And nobody actually went to see Titanic or Avatar, Fox just bought out theaters so James Cameron can broadcast the Illuminati's "King of the World" speech for the world to hear.
Thank you for bringing common sense to this thread. I can't believe people are surprised at the idea of an Eminem album selling well, when all of his other albums also sold well. I think some people are allowing their personal dislike of Eminem's music to make them reach for implausible explanations for this album's success. It seems pretty simple to me. Eminem is a popular mainstream artist. His most recent album was pretty well received by most. It's had a couple of successful singles and has been well promoted, so people went out and bought the album.
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The bottom line is he is a relevant marketable star based on his art, rather than his celebrity. People like the songs so they buy the music. What a novel idea. If clowns like Kanye, Jay Z, and Drake spent more time making music they can sell and less time selling themselves as artists with out the art.
There's more to it than that. Kanye West put out an album that had the best critical reception in years and its selling nothing like Ems. Do you really believe that if Jay-Z put out an album on the level of The Blueprint or Reasonable Doubt that it would have monster sales? Its about Eminem being Eminem, not about his music being better than others (which it isn't)
I'm not talking about something being great. I'm talking about something being a hit. I can name you plenty of Niel Young albums that get praised across the board, even 30 years later but they couldn't sell for shit. Nothing I've heard by Kanye since Gold Digger has been a hit. Jay Z had the NY song but that's it.
The Em and Rihanna song was a hit and that's why it sold where albums like Relapse could not. I'd argue that Encore didn't really have a hit either but he was so famous and hot during that release that he could have released anything and it would have sold. Of course who he is has something to do with it, but if a completely new artist released the exact same song with Rihanna it still would have done better than anything I've heard so far on Kanye's album.
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Total?
Seems like this is on it's way to outselling Hov's Highest Selling album.
1. Lady GaGa - The Fame (Monster), 5.8 million copies.
2. Eminem - Recovery, 5.7 million
3. Justin Bieber - My Worlds, 5.6 million
4. Lady Antebellum - Need You Now, 3.6 million
5. Taylor Swift - Speak Now, 3.5 million
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The bottom line is he is a relevant marketable star based on his art, rather than his celebrity. People like the songs so they buy the music. What a novel idea. If clowns like Kanye, Jay Z, and Drake spent more time making music they can sell and less time selling themselves as artists with out the art.
There's more to it than that. Kanye West put out an album that had the best critical reception in years and its selling nothing like Ems. Do you really believe that if Jay-Z put out an album on the level of The Blueprint or Reasonable Doubt that it would have monster sales? Its about Eminem being Eminem, not about his music being better than others (which it isn't)
I'm not talking about something being great. I'm talking about something being a hit. I can name you plenty of Niel Young albums that get praised across the board, even 30 years later but they couldn't sell for shit. Nothing I've heard by Kanye since Gold Digger has been a hit. Jay Z had the NY song but that's it.
The Em and Rihanna song was a hit and that's why it sold where albums like Relapse could not. I'd argue that Encore didn't really have a hit either but he was so famous and hot during that release that he could have released anything and it would have sold. Of course who he is has something to do with it, but if a completely new artist released the exact same song with Rihanna it still would have done better than anything I've heard so far on Kanye's album.
Neil Young!...homie u flipping like a fish out of water(no diss)but come on...u cant name but one J-Z song,and thats NY..but u can name a couple of (NEIL YOUNG)songs.wow!...i see your heart is really not into hip hop then..so your opinion is always gonna be so so...im not a big J fan at all,but i can name acouple of his tracks...Neil young.. i cant name one!well the diamond song,and thats it...laughing at a alternative fans having a judgement on a hip hop board..and i listen to it all..if this is the case then, j gets sells just for being J..visa versa..cant sugar code shit homie.
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Em is the biggest selling rap artist of all time
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5.7 Mil? Holy Shit!
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The bottom line is he is a relevant marketable star based on his art, rather than his celebrity. People like the songs so they buy the music. What a novel idea. If clowns like Kanye, Jay Z, and Drake spent more time making music they can sell and less time selling themselves as artists with out the art.
There's more to it than that. Kanye West put out an album that had the best critical reception in years and its selling nothing like Ems. Do you really believe that if Jay-Z put out an album on the level of The Blueprint or Reasonable Doubt that it would have monster sales? Its about Eminem being Eminem, not about his music being better than others (which it isn't)
I'm not talking about something being great. I'm talking about something being a hit. I can name you plenty of Niel Young albums that get praised across the board, even 30 years later but they couldn't sell for shit. Nothing I've heard by Kanye since Gold Digger has been a hit. Jay Z had the NY song but that's it.
The Em and Rihanna song was a hit and that's why it sold where albums like Relapse could not. I'd argue that Encore didn't really have a hit either but he was so famous and hot during that release that he could have released anything and it would have sold. Of course who he is has something to do with it, but if a completely new artist released the exact same song with Rihanna it still would have done better than anything I've heard so far on Kanye's album.
Neil Young!...homie u flipping like a fish out of water(no diss)but come on...u cant name but one J-Z song,and thats NY..but u can name a couple of (NEIL YOUNG)songs.wow!...i see your heart is really not into hip hop then..so your opinion is always gonna be so so...im not a big J fan at all,but i can name acouple of his tracks...Neil young.. i cant name one!well the diamond song,and thats it...laughing at a alternative fans having a judgement on a hip hop board..and i listen to it all..if this is the case then, j gets sells just for being J..visa versa..cant sugar code shit homie.
I meant recent Jay Z song. I personally can name every track from Reasonable to Blueprint, but I haven't bought or listen to any Jay albums since then, and I cannot really think of a single hit he's had since then. Vol 2 sold because it had hits on it, not because it was praised critically.
My point about Niel Young was that he was one of the most critically acclaimed rock artists of the 70s but he never really sold that well, and he was white. But he didn't really have any hits until the late 80s with "Rockin' in the Free World".
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It's all about major singles.
The biggest selling artists in music are Eminem, Lil' Wayne, Lady GaGa & Justin Bieber; all have monster singles that are played 150 times a day.
You have monumental sized singles, you're gunna sell; just ask 50 Cent on his first two albums.
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The bottom line is he is a relevant marketable star based on his art, rather than his celebrity. People like the songs so they buy the music. What a novel idea. If clowns like Kanye, Jay Z, and Drake spent more time making music they can sell and less time selling themselves as artists with out the art.
There's more to it than that. Kanye West put out an album that had the best critical reception in years and its selling nothing like Ems. Do you really believe that if Jay-Z put out an album on the level of The Blueprint or Reasonable Doubt that it would have monster sales? Its about Eminem being Eminem, not about his music being better than others (which it isn't)
I'm not talking about something being great. I'm talking about something being a hit. I can name you plenty of Niel Young albums that get praised across the board, even 30 years later but they couldn't sell for shit. Nothing I've heard by Kanye since Gold Digger has been a hit. Jay Z had the NY song but that's it.
The Em and Rihanna song was a hit and that's why it sold where albums like Relapse could not. I'd argue that Encore didn't really have a hit either but he was so famous and hot during that release that he could have released anything and it would have sold. Of course who he is has something to do with it, but if a completely new artist released the exact same song with Rihanna it still would have done better than anything I've heard so far on Kanye's album.
You never make any sense with your posts. How can Gold Digger be Ye's last hit? You're completely skipping over the rest of his albums. Love Lockdown? Heartless? Stronger? Flashing Lights? Good Life? Jay-Z's last album had Empire State of Mind, Young Forever and Run This Town. Cmon now.
And honestly, if a completely new artist had released the same song I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't chart at all. If it had, it wouldn't be a monster. The song was big on account of Eminem's star power. You just admitted yourself that he can release anything and sell (which is what I feel he did).
I personally can name every track from Reasonable to Blueprint, but I haven't bought or listen to any Jay albums since then, and I cannot really think of a single hit he's had since then.
This says it all right here. If you choose to ignore the music that artists put out then that's on you. The fact remains that they have continued to be successful. Fyi, both Empire State of Mind and Run This Town charted higher than any song from the period in in which you chose to listen to Jay albums.
You sound like you're backpedalling from what you originally said.
"If clowns like Kanye, Jay Z, and Drake spent more time making music they can sell and less time selling themselves as artists with out the art."
I think this requires some kind of explanation. You talk about the art in music, but then you go on to say you're talking about "hits". You'd really rather see Kanye make a pop song with Rihanna on the hook than come out with an amazing album? That perception is what's taking the art out of the music, if anything.
And just for kicks I'd just like to point out something I've noticed, that in every discussion without fail you bring up an artist completely unrelated to hip hop. Its not really a good look for a hip hop discussion.
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The bottom line is he is a relevant marketable star based on his art, rather than his celebrity. People like the songs so they buy the music. What a novel idea. If clowns like Kanye, Jay Z, and Drake spent more time making music they can sell and less time selling themselves as artists with out the art.
There's more to it than that. Kanye West put out an album that had the best critical reception in years and its selling nothing like Ems. Do you really believe that if Jay-Z put out an album on the level of The Blueprint or Reasonable Doubt that it would have monster sales? Its about Eminem being Eminem, not about his music being better than others (which it isn't)
I'm not talking about something being great. I'm talking about something being a hit. I can name you plenty of Niel Young albums that get praised across the board, even 30 years later but they couldn't sell for shit. Nothing I've heard by Kanye since Gold Digger has been a hit. Jay Z had the NY song but that's it.
The Em and Rihanna song was a hit and that's why it sold where albums like Relapse could not. I'd argue that Encore didn't really have a hit either but he was so famous and hot during that release that he could have released anything and it would have sold. Of course who he is has something to do with it, but if a completely new artist released the exact same song with Rihanna it still would have done better than anything I've heard so far on Kanye's album.
You never make any sense with your posts. How can Gold Digger be Ye's last hit? You're completely skipping over the rest of his albums. Love Lockdown? Heartless? Stronger? Flashing Lights? Good Life? Jay-Z's last album had Empire State of Mind, Young Forever and Run This Town. Cmon now.
And honestly, if a completely new artist had released the same song I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't chart at all. If it had, it wouldn't be a monster. The song was big on account of Eminem's star power. You just admitted yourself that he can release anything and sell (which is what I feel he did).
I personally can name every track from Reasonable to Blueprint, but I haven't bought or listen to any Jay albums since then, and I cannot really think of a single hit he's had since then.
This says it all right here. If you choose to ignore the music that artists put out then that's on you. The fact remains that they have continued to be successful. Fyi, both Empire State of Mind and Run This Town charted higher than any song from the period in in which you chose to listen to Jay albums.
You sound like you're backpedalling from what you originally said.
"If clowns like Kanye, Jay Z, and Drake spent more time making music they can sell and less time selling themselves as artists with out the art."
I think this requires some kind of explanation. You talk about the art in music, but then you go on to say you're talking about "hits". You'd really rather see Kanye make a pop song with Rihanna on the hook than come out with an amazing album? That perception is what's taking the art out of the music, if anything.
And just for kicks I'd just like to point out something I've noticed, that in every discussion without fail you bring up an artist completely unrelated to hip hop. Its not really a good look for a hip hop discussion.
I tried to tell him..he really dont fuck with hiphop...he fronting.
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You never make any sense with your posts. How can Gold Digger be Ye's last hit? You're completely skipping over the rest of his albums. Love Lockdown? Heartless? Stronger? Flashing Lights? Good Life? Jay-Z's last album had Empire State of Mind, Young Forever and Run This Town. Cmon now.
And honestly, if a completely new artist had released the same song I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't chart at all. If it had, it wouldn't be a monster. The song was big on account of Eminem's star power. You just admitted yourself that he can release anything and sell (which is what I feel he did).
I know stronger but more as a daft punk song and that's about it. I mentioned Empire State of Mind as being a hit already. Run This Town is a decent single but not a hit. Hard Knock Life was a hit. Eminem showed us with Relapse that he can't just release anything. There's no hits on that album and the sales suffered. He came back with a hit on Recovery and the sales went way up.
This says it all right here. If you choose to ignore the music that artists put out then that's on you. The fact remains that they have continued to be successful. Fyi, both Empire State of Mind and Run This Town charted higher than any song from the period in in which you chose to listen to Jay albums.
You sound like you're backpedalling from what you originally said.
"If clowns like Kanye, Jay Z, and Drake spent more time making music they can sell and less time selling themselves as artists with out the art."
I think this requires some kind of explanation. You talk about the art in music, but then you go on to say you're talking about "hits". You'd really rather see Kanye make a pop song with Rihanna on the hook than come out with an amazing album? That perception is what's taking the art out of the music, if anything.
And just for kicks I'd just like to point out something I've noticed, that in every discussion without fail you bring up an artist completely unrelated to hip hop. Its not really a good look for a hip hop discussion.
Charting higher and selling albums with a single are different things. There's no point talking about Empire because I've already mentioned it as a hit. But Run This Town as nice as it sounds never did for Jay Z what lil orphan Annie did. It may me a better complimentary single than a few tracks on Vol 2 but it's not an album driving single.
I personally don't care what they do, or what kinds of albums they release. I'm just saying if they want sales they need to focus on hits. If they want artistic praise in the white music journalist world then they just need to brag about how good they are and imply racism as any reason why you don't like the album.
Kanye has never come close to a masterpiece album. He thinks he has, and he's convinced a lot of people he has but he hasn't. Neither has Jay. And even mentioning Drake is an insult to the word masterpiece. For the record, Eminem hasn't either. I listen to a lot of albums from a lot of genres and I'm not bias. The second the art takes a back seat to the artist the album suffers. Illmatic is a masterpiece. 36 Chambers as well. Maybe the Makaveli album. But College Dropout? Reasonable Doubt? No fucking way. They're nice albums to listen to and you can get a lot from them but in the end they don't stand up as complete albums; just nice compilations of songs.
If I made a film with the idea that I want to create the 25 best scenes I could film and just threw them together with out a common theme or focus connecting them the film would suck, no mater how good each scene was. Kanye doesn't understand that. Nas probably didn't either at 19 years old; but Nas, and RZA had what they call a muse guiding their art. It's something much greater than anything thing the conscious mind can think up. Bob Dylan had it in the 60s. Jay Z's main purpose was business, not art, and business came first. With Kanye I think it's fame first, then art. Nas at 19 was trying to be great and the words and flows came from the heavens. Once he reached success and fame his focus changed and his muse was gone. More of his songs and albums came from the head rather than the heart, and he never reached a masterpiece level again.
I don't need albums to have hits. In Utero is a much better Nirvana album than never mind but Nevermind had way more hits. Vs is better than Ten in the Pearl Jam world. But when one album sells and another doesn't you can blame race or fame or whatever you want, but in the end if you don't have any hits, you won't sell. But being great is something completely different. I'm not back pedalling at all. I'm telling you that critical success and commercial success are different entities.
Darkness on the Edge of Town is my favourite album of all time and there isn't a real hit on the damn thing.
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strong post
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who is pearl jam :-\
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I know stronger but more as a daft punk song and that's about it.
lmao.
so you refer to every rap song as the original sampled artists? or did sampling daft punk just cripple your lil world so much that you couldnt even just call it a kanye song?
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I know stronger but more as a daft punk song and that's about it.
lmao.
so you refer to every rap song as the original sampled artists? or did sampling daft punk just cripple your lil world so much that you couldnt even just call it a kanye song?
Sampling is one thing, lifting an entire song that was recently released and rapping over it is ridiculous. If Daft Punk took a very famous Snoop line and had someone else rap it over one of their tracks and the whole song was built of that line and Snoop's style I'd call it a Snoop song.
You're reaching for something that isn't there. I don't hate hip hop or rappers. I spend too much time hating Tom Brady to waste any time on them. And I bash Jimmy Page on here way more than I bash Kanye. And I think it's even funnier that when Good Charlotte or whoever used a Jay Z line in their that idiot Kanye took offense and pointed it out. But when he completely listed and looped Chicago by Niel Young and his buddies and gave no credit what so ever that was art? The guy is a dilluted twit, and he's not even a very good artist. He's just very popular for being an artist, but he's the Dan Brown or Paul Haggis of the music world. He releases garbage and is good at making people think it's gold.
His next album should be called The Five Iron Pyrite Stars and I'd actually have some respect for him.
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I know stronger but more as a daft punk song and that's about it.
lmao.
so you refer to every rap song as the original sampled artists? or did sampling daft punk just cripple your lil world so much that you couldnt even just call it a kanye song?
to be fair, that particular song was a straight jacking. Kanye showed laziness there.
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I know stronger but more as a daft punk song and that's about it.
lmao.
so you refer to every rap song as the original sampled artists? or did sampling daft punk just cripple your lil world so much that you couldnt even just call it a kanye song?
to be fair, that particular song was a straight jacking. Kanye showed laziness there.
Laziness all round, here's the original:
http://www.youtube.com/v/4odwk16cDNo
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i'd say it's cause eminem is white and not his talent. everyone knows that's the truth but it's not the popular opinion
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ummm eminem has not sold anywhere near 5 million in the states. He sold 3.42million at the end of 2010. So unless he managed to sell another 2 million records somwhere in the last couple of weeks...he has not!
Regardless, eminem has a lot going for him when it comes to selling music and everyone knows the reasons. His fan base etc.
But whether most people like it or not, the biggest reason the album sold was because of a rihanna hook. I never even dug the song that much but i heard that hook SO MANY times, even i know the song just because of the hook. Say what you want but if eminem said the exact same bars, but had another hook by somone unknown, it would not have done those numbers. The hook is what generally sells a song in mainstream. Im not simply saying that you take off eminem and have the same hook and by rihanna and it'd still be huge because im not deluded and without question eminem is huge and everyone white in hiphop seems to love eminem, buy his cds and know of doctor dre but nobody else outside that camp. So you got the biggest name in the industry right now in eminem with the hottest singer right now who is young/fine and got a story recently too with the whole chris brown shit and then eminems story too and you got massive written all over it aslong as someone comes through. And rihanna did.
The song is huge because of her. Say what you want but everyone does the same thing, tries jumping on those who are hot or making hits in the present time to make them hits. Even eminem.
as for kanye, his new album>>>recovery.
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i'd say it's cause eminem is white and not his talent. everyone knows that's the truth but it's not the popular opinion
Im pretty sure everyone who aint white knows eminem sells a lot more than anybody else with a large part to do with his skin tone.
Whether some of y'all white cats like to believe that or not is another thing all together.
But dude does have talent, i give him that.
That being said, i'd still take a washed up dre detox album anyday over anything eminem is bringing out if that ever hits the light.
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Wait, let me re-phrase that.
Eminem is as talented as the best but the rest will unlikely sell like Eminem because they're not white.
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Relapse didn't sell like Recovery, so explain that. Sure, him being white has something to do with it, but it's about major singles. Those two songs were on every radio station, every fifteen minutes.
Plus, to be honest, if you like Eminem's singles, you're going to like a majority of the album. Eminem has proven through every album, even if he's fallen off, that he makes nearly every song on the album worth listening to. Sure, you have your exceptions before you all get angry over this & start saying "Ass Like That" & songs off Relapse.
Bottom line, if you like the single that Eminem puts out for his album, you're nearly guaranteed to like the entire album. & if you know you're going to get seventeen songs you like on one album, you're more inclined to buy it.
An artist like T.I. or Ludacris or Fabolous, they give you like three or four songs that you fuck with, a solid single to bump & then the rest is just not fully there; it's not worth to cop, when you know that you're not getting sixteen songs that you like, only four.
Also, I'm speaking for the general public & the average rap fan, not hardcore Hip Hop fans who believe that their favorite underground artist should be doing a million in the first week. The World is bigger then a few Hip Hop forums who don't think some mainstream artists deserve to sell as many records because it's "too poppy" or whatever. The objective of making music, especially Hip Hop artists who rap song in & song out about it, is making money. It's what the public wants, not what you want.
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Yes, Relapse numbers were disappointing for Eminem but even then they out sold the rest of hip-hop.
Let me break down to you,
America has a population of about 300 million people. Of that 300 million about 75 percent is "white". That means 225 million Americans are "white". 12 percent of the population is "black." That's about 36 million people.
Since 1999 hip-hop as a genre consisted of an estimated 10% of cd sales. At it's peak in 2002 it was 13.8% of total sales.
Who buys music?
According to the RIAA the largest consuming age is between 15-19 and 20-24. They consist of 12.6% each of cds bought, about 25% of cd sales occur then. Basically, the data shows consistent buying of cds acrossing their age groups until age 45. The data shows general decline in cd sales with the introduction of the internet.
Just based on these numbers alone it makes sense that Eminem is the highest selling talented MC. His content doesn't alienate the largest consumer base (white people in their teens to twenties).
Look,
A) He isn't dropping nigga (at one point alienated consumers - think late 80s. early 90s)
B) His content (disgruntled feelings; broken home; not being understand) is relatable
C) He's obviously talented
D) He was co-signed by an established name of great talent/respect -Dr.Dre
E) His skin color sealed the deal
It allows him to creates a necessary special bond where the largest consumer base may connect to him and feel "entertained." He communicates struggle that they can connect - not necessary his "trailer trash" situation but the emotions behind those situations (and, I would argue some subject matter such as an indifference to authority/his parents).
Population statistics source:
http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/DTTable?_bm=y&-context=dt&-ds_name=ACS_2009_1YR_G00_&-mt_name=ACS_2009_1YR_G2000_B02001&-CONTEXT=dt&-tree_id=306&-redoLog=true&-all_geo_types=N&-currentselections=ACS_2006_EST_G2000_B02001&-geo_id=01000US&-search_results=01000US&-format=&-_lang=en
CD statistics source:
http://www.riaa.com/keystatistics.php?content_selector=consumertrends
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What Dr.Dre/afthermath/Jimmy iovine/interscope did for hip-hop with Eminem is great even if he isn't always my cup of tea. He broke down barriers and took hip-hop to another level by expanding it's reach even if it's in the home of some kid who only pays attention to eminem because he's white.
Without Eminem Jay-Z wouldn't be able to be this mystical figure he is today. Eminem's presence changed the game for the best.
It's impressive his album is still moving units and it's for the best because making money allows investment into other artist I want to see moved like Slaughterhouse.
Money is the backbone of the game, not love because that shit don't pay bills and it's not some arching conspiracy like jrome likes to think it is
and, yes, i do agree with cham that singles matter
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Ofcourse singles matter, anyone trying to disclaim this would be an idiot because its what is played to the general public. Decent post too by action.
Anyway fact is, regardless of quality of single or not, eminem sells more because he is white. It aint got nothing to do with anyone on a hiphop forum saying he dont deserve to sell the records he sold, let him more millions who gives a fuck, if an album good, selll all you should but a cat who is as good as eminem or dropping an album as good or better with hits should be able to sell as much is the point.
This line here by action, a cat i find my hiphop side barely ever able to agree with is truth '..rest will unlikely sell like Eminem because they're not white.'...there are cats as good as eminem in hiphop or in the same league and young cats who are a lot fresher and clearer thinkers with more hunger who can drop material which is fresh but won't never get the spins airplay he does. And that aint to do just with the fact eminem has established himself, its to do with race. Anyone trying to say otherwise is dillusional.
An eminem record will get hype, radio play and played in places a record by a brother aint never gettin spun. real talk. Say what you want, but a corny wack song like without me, alot of eminem singles...i cant even think of the titles off the top of my head have been terrible but spun and hyped to death and played in places a joint which is so much better would never get given.
As for eminem being good for hiphop etc...he has been just as good for hiphop as he has been bad. And the same can be said for jimmy. I could go very deep into this but i just aint got the energy.
Regardless eminem is a talented cat who can still make good music, but dudes dropped a lot of garbage like encore (yes i know u love it action) and relapse (wack but a few dre groupies and white kids who love eminem will tell you its a masterpiece on production and lyrics and pretend the music is deep when its just poor).
Anyway eminem is one of the best to have done it in hiphop, nobody is denying that, only point is, dudes sells more because of his skin tone, not soley based on talent.
If it was just on talent and not skin colour, usher would have been regular selling twice the amounts justin did back a few years ago.
Maybe barriers are breaking down more now and people seem less aware of skin colour in kids under 18 or whatever, but it still has some sort of baring on chances of a record! Thats just a sad reality. People cannot look past skin colour, religion, where you from etc more often than not. Maybe y'all cool!
oh just on a side note, jrome hiphop knowledge eats anyone who posted in here.
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I just can't buy into this conspiracy shit. Maybe it's my naivety.
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ummm eminem has not sold anywhere near 5 million in the states. He sold 3.42million at the end of 2010. So unless he managed to sell another 2 million records somwhere in the last couple of weeks...he has not!
i think its worldwide sells
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I just can't buy into this conspiracy shit. Maybe it's my naivety.
nah i'm with you. that shit is for crackheads
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who is pearl jam :-\
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An eminem record will get hype, radio play and played in places a record by a brother aint never gettin spun. real talk. Say what you want, but a corny wack song like without me, alot of eminem singles...i cant even think of the titles off the top of my head have been terrible but spun and hyped to death and played in places a joint which is so much better would never get given.
Now this is just silly to me. Define better. Those first singles off the the first three or four Em albums are slapstick comedy, and very similar to each other, but how does that make them worse than a first single by a lot of guys? Most rappers, most artists for that matter, have a style they've done to death and can be deemed boring. The bottom line is that those frat humor songs appeal to a certain demographic that no black, and I repeat, no black rapper is appealing to. I don't know if they should, or even if they could. It's a very white style of humor and it would almost always sound silly from a black guy. Just like white comedians cannot pull off certain black jokes, and like Eminem could never release a Tupac like song.
It's far greater than skin tone. It's the entire essence of the human being and the fans that get it. It's not with out exception, and sometimes it makes little sense, but Jimi Hendrix played black music in a black way and only really appealed to whites. Of course by that time the black society had shifted to another style while the white society was more into an older black style mixed with harder more eclectic sounds.
And you who complain about white this and white that fail to publicly recognize the obvious from the other side, even with in hip hop: Just like in white main stream a America a Talib Kweli single cannot be played in certain circles; in many black America circles where Lil Boozy or Soulja Boy might be acceptable a much better and more talented Asher Roth (who I'm not really a fan of) wouldn't be excepted. If it's deemed black-only the white world will be weary, but if it's deemed white-only the black world will be too.
The classic example I've always used is 5 to 1 by the Doors. I was huge into hip hop as a teen and started on my classic rock phase by 18 or 19. One of the first artists I got into was Jim Morrison and when I heard 5 to 1 I said this would make a great hip hop track. I played it around the projects and almost everyone called it shit or told me to turn it off. A year or so later Jay Z and Kanye use it for Takeover and everyone loves the track and loves the beat. And those assholes wouldn't even admit that I played it for them and they hated it. "I don't listen to that shit" was what I heard when I first played it and all I heard after wards was "that shit" played over and over. The Doors track was deemed white while the Jay track was deemed black.
Why would or should you expect anything different from whites? How many amazing white artists get praised in your circles? In your circles, not by you in specific.
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apathy is white as mutherfucker why he aint selling? simple as that?
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and yet again he sells another 30,664 copies
Number Last Week Artist Album This Week
3 5
Rihanna
Loud
32,976
5
2
Nicki Minaj
Pink Friday
37,738
7
4
Kanye West
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
32,267
8
2
Eminem
Recovery
30,664
15
13
Jamie Foxx
Best Night Of My Life
22.876
19
15
TI
No Mercy
18,976
24
19
Lil Wayne
I Am Not A Human Beings
15,420
40
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Drake
Thank Me Later
10,983
45
25
Diddy Dirty Money
Last Train To Paris
9.531
49
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KiD CuDi
Man On The Moon 2
9,087
http://www.rapbasement.com/sales-charts/011211-hip-hop-rap-and-rb-billboard-soundscan-sales-charts-for-the-week-ending-january-9th.html
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I know stronger but more as a daft punk song and that's about it.
lmao.
so you refer to every rap song as the original sampled artists? or did sampling daft punk just cripple your lil world so much that you couldnt even just call it a kanye song?
to be fair, that particular song was a straight jacking. Kanye showed laziness there.
i dont think its being fair at all actually. listen to the original song daft punk sampled from below. you could easily say that was far lazier. kanyes stronger is a lot different than daft punks than people are making it out to be. yet ghosftface can rap over 4 bars looped from a funk song and no-one complains at all. in my opinion its just because people actually know/listen to daft punk so they feel like they song has been ripped off. yet theyve never actually fucking listened to the soul and funk songs that all hip-hop is sample from so they dont realise that actually most of the time, producers just looped 4 bars and added a few extra kicks n snares. kanye changed the song completely and just kept the hook.
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great for em. great for hip hop. it shows hip hop is not dead although i'm not feeling recovery.
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I know stronger but more as a daft punk song and that's about it.
lmao.
so you refer to every rap song as the original sampled artists? or did sampling daft punk just cripple your lil world so much that you couldnt even just call it a kanye song?
to be fair, that particular song was a straight jacking. Kanye showed laziness there.
i dont think its being fair at all actually. listen to the original song daft punk sampled from below. you could easily say that was far lazier. kanyes stronger is a lot different than daft punks than people are making it out to be. yet ghosftface can rap over 4 bars looped from a funk song and no-one complains at all. in my opinion its just because people actually know/listen to daft punk so they feel like they song has been ripped off. yet theyve never actually fucking listened to the soul and funk songs that all hip-hop is sample from so they dont realise that actually most of the time, producers just looped 4 bars and added a few extra kicks n snares. kanye changed the song completely and just kept the hook.
The difference is Ghostface isn't credited or praised for the 4 bars; he is praised for the rapping. Kanye gets more praised for the instrumental than the vocals.
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hopefulply more people DL it off itunes for the SH song
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I know stronger but more as a daft punk song and that's about it. I mentioned Empire State of Mind as being a hit already. Run This Town is a decent single but not a hit. Hard Knock Life was a hit. Eminem showed us with Relapse that he can't just release anything. There's no hits on that album and the sales suffered. He came back with a hit on Recovery and the sales went way up.
Kanye's version was more popular than the daft punk song, hence a "bigger" hit. How is Hard Knock Life a hit and Run This Town isn't when Run This Town did better? If you personally like a song better, that's all well and good, but your opinion doesn't make anything more of a hit. Its what the masses think of a song that makes it a hit.
Kanye has never come close to a masterpiece album. He thinks he has, and he's convinced a lot of people he has but he hasn't. Neither has Jay. And even mentioning Drake is an insult to the word masterpiece. For the record, Eminem hasn't either. I listen to a lot of albums from a lot of genres and I'm not bias. The second the art takes a back seat to the artist the album suffers. Illmatic is a masterpiece. 36 Chambers as well. Maybe the Makaveli album. But College Dropout? Reasonable Doubt? No fucking way. They're nice albums to listen to and you can get a lot from them but in the end they don't stand up as complete albums; just nice compilations of songs.
Again, this is just your opinion. Who are you to say what's a masterpiece and what isn't? What's funny is that you talk about a common theme when illmatic is one of the most random albums ever. There is no common theme drawing the album together. Its like a greatest hits compilation. In fact there isn't even a constant theme within each song. His rhymes are all over the place. Reasonable Doubt on the other hand actually has a theme. And for the record, how many genres you listen to doesn't make your opinion any more valid in a hip hop discussion. It actually makes you seem less knowledgeable since you can't seem to use rappers as examples. One of those "white journalist" types who really dont know shit about hip hop.
Kanye doesn't understand that. Nas probably didn't either at 19 years old; but Nas, and RZA had what they call a muse guiding their art. It's something much greater than anything thing the conscious mind can think up. Bob Dylan had it in the 60s. Jay Z's main purpose was business, not art, and business came first. With Kanye I think it's fame first, then art. Nas at 19 was trying to be great and the words and flows came from the heavens. Once he reached success and fame his focus changed and his muse was gone. More of his songs and albums came from the head rather than the heart, and he never reached a masterpiece level again.
You really don't know what drives an artist unless they come out and say it. Its easy to criticize Jay-Z once he straight out tells you he sold out to business.
I'm telling you that critical success and commercial success are different entities.
Obviously. Which one are you talking about? This whole argument began with you telling these "bums" to "make music and sell" instead of "selling themselves as artists without the art." You worded the phrase to imply they would sell more by focusing on the art. Now you're saying they need commercial hits to sell instead.
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I know stronger but more as a daft punk song and that's about it.
lmao.
so you refer to every rap song as the original sampled artists? or did sampling daft punk just cripple your lil world so much that you couldnt even just call it a kanye song?
to be fair, that particular song was a straight jacking. Kanye showed laziness there.
i dont think its being fair at all actually. listen to the original song daft punk sampled from below. you could easily say that was far lazier. kanyes stronger is a lot different than daft punks than people are making it out to be. yet ghosftface can rap over 4 bars looped from a funk song and no-one complains at all. in my opinion its just because people actually know/listen to daft punk so they feel like they song has been ripped off. yet theyve never actually fucking listened to the soul and funk songs that all hip-hop is sample from so they dont realise that actually most of the time, producers just looped 4 bars and added a few extra kicks n snares. kanye changed the song completely and just kept the hook.
The difference is Ghostface isn't credited or praised for the 4 bars; he is praised for the rapping. Kanye gets more praised for the instrumental than the vocals.
that is entirely correct but it ignores the point that im making. kanye didnt just loop 4 bars now did he
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If Eminem was black he would have sold half. I agree with that.
However, if Eminem was black he would likely have been hailed as the GOAT by large parts of the hip-hop community.
So it's a two sided coin. His being white has helped him sell to the average (white) american, but it has also prevented him from getting the full respect that he rightfully deserves from the hip-hop community or at least the black part of the hip-hop community.
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I'd say if it were all strictly about the music and not the controversies or marketing machine, neither Eminem or Tupac Shakur would be anywhere near as big as they are today. People can front all fucking day about who's real or the best artist but the compelling story sells the artist just as much as the art does.
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If Eminem was black he would have sold half. I agree with that.
However, if Eminem was black he would likely have been hailed as the GOAT by large parts of the hip-hop community.
So it's a two sided coin. His being white has helped him sell to the average (white) american, but it has also prevented him from getting the full respect that he rightfully deserves from the hip-hop community or at least the black part of the hip-hop community.
I like that argument. Good point.
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If Eminem was black he would have sold half. I agree with that.
However, if Eminem was black he would likely have been hailed as the GOAT by large parts of the hip-hop community.
So it's a two sided coin. His being white has helped him sell to the average (white) american, but it has also prevented him from getting the full respect that he rightfully deserves from the hip-hop community or at least the black part of the hip-hop community.
I like that argument. Good point.
yup this was pretty on point
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If Eminem was black he would have sold half. I agree with that.
However, if Eminem was black he would likely have been hailed as the GOAT by large parts of the hip-hop community.
So it's a two sided coin. His being white has helped him sell to the average (white) american, but it has also prevented him from getting the full respect that he rightfully deserves from the hip-hop community or at least the black part of the hip-hop community.
I like that argument. Good point.
yup this was pretty on point
Also, had he sold half he would have had a 2 platinum debut, followed by two 4 to 5 platinum albums, followed by a 2 to 3 platinum soundtrack, followed by a 2 to 3 platinum album.
He'd still be the biggest rapper of the decade.