West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Chamillitary Click on February 02, 2011, 07:49:05 PM
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that in most threads that get created in this section, somebody mentions that "The West is dead", "The West doesn't sell", "Somebody needs to put the West back on the map" & then when Dr. Dre releases a single that still may not, but is without doubt going to the right direction to do so & everybody is against it?
I think basically where I am going with this is, alright. You're all dying for West Coast Hip Hop to be relevant again, so what exactly do you want released to do so? Like what would your dream song be that would realistically do great on the charts & still have that classic West Coast feel to it? Let's be honest, "Kush" was West Coast & it did alright. I mean, I'm not complaining about it's numbers, but didn't come close to the Top 25, if I'm not mistaken. So that's a pretty good attempt at a mainstream, but yet a West Coast feel to a song & it didn't work out at all as far as "bringing the West back".
So you tell me, if you want the Coast to be "back on the map", yet you're going to basically make ten threads about boycotting the one single that could very well do just that; what exactly would you accept? & I mean something that will realistically work. Not some West Coast junkie dream.
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I don't think anybody is denying the fact that Dre is/can put the West back on the map, but that doesn't change anything about the quality of his work, or lack thereof. I would say everyone is/should be happy with Detox coming out, period. But as I said, when the quality clearly doesn't come close to the hype, then what would you expect from any hip-hop fans. Also, I think most people are pissed with his means of taking back the spotlight (mainstream, sellout, etc.)
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I don't think anybody is denying the fact that Dre is/can put the West back on the map, but that doesn't change anything about the quality of his work, or lack thereof.
Yeah, but at least it's a West Coast artist doing well right? What kind of quality work that sounds like a West Coast anthem would do anything on the charts? This is honestly your best bet, if you ask me lol.
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How bout some Westside Story beats wit niggas rappin' over 'em who ain't dressed in broad tight jeans in they music videos lookin' like some homo ass rock stars.
(http://www.greensmilies.com/smile/smiley_emoticons_thumbs2-up_new.gif)
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Well, I do find it somewhat interesting that some people seem to hate "I Need a Doctor" so bad that they now hate "Kush" and are even convinced that the entire "Detox" album will be bad. I guess you could call it hatred by association. I'm not saying everyone is like that because I know some people said they didn't like "Kush" even before "I Need a Doctor" came out. But I have noticed a distinct drop in its popularity, and the popularity of "Detox" in general.
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How bout some Westside Story beats wit niggas rappin' over 'em who ain't dressed in broad tight jeans in they music videos lookin' like some homo ass rock stars.
(http://www.greensmilies.com/smile/smiley_emoticons_thumbs2-up_new.gif)
Did you ever see the insert in the Eazy E 187umm album?
thats DRE you're describing
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:D
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I think it is funny that some people are so hell bent on dissing this song that they go out of their way to say how bad it is. They will even purchase the song on Itunes simply to complain about it. Now that is true hate. Especially when ITunes will give you a 1:30 min sample of the song for free. ;D
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How bout some Westside Story beats wit niggas rappin' over 'em who ain't dressed in broad tight jeans in they music videos lookin' like some homo ass rock stars.
(http://www.greensmilies.com/smile/smiley_emoticons_thumbs2-up_new.gif)
Ahhhhh, Westside Story did not sell that album, my friend. That song was found as a result of people buying the album based off of "How We Do". Great song. However, in 2011 I don't know how that would work out.
But while we're on the subject of Game, he seems to be leaning towards that "My single will be a sellout single too" phase.
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How bout some Westside Story beats wit niggas rappin' over 'em who ain't dressed in broad tight jeans in they music videos lookin' like some homo ass rock stars.
(http://www.greensmilies.com/smile/smiley_emoticons_thumbs2-up_new.gif)
Ahhhhh, Westside Story did not sell that album, my friend. That song was found as a result of people buying the album based off of "How We Do". Great song. However, in 2011 I don't know how that would work out.
But while we're on the subject of Game, he seems to be leaning towards that "My single will be a sellout single too" phase.
I don't know what I was thinking but I was expecting some 'gangsta beats' from a 'gangsta producer'.
I don't like rap no mo' son. :'(
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If Interscope/UMG pushes ANY Detox single (could be the most gangsta song of all time) as much as they pushed LTWYL or even Not Afraid, then you would see how this "must make a mainstream single to be successful" theory is thrown out the window. It doesn't matter what the song is, as long as it gets a ridiculous backing, it'll be mad successful. I know a lot of people won't buy that, but it's the truth. Of course it has to be at least somewhat decent if it's a rap song, but thats the way it is. Kush didn't recieve nearly what it should have (maybe because it wasn't supposed to come out anyways) and therefore was considered at least a semi-flop. That theory of "make good music and it will do good" is so far from the truth, sadly. And now watch, I Need A Doctor will get a HUGE push from Interscope/UMG and will blow. I strongly believe they could have (and should have) done that with Kush, but didn't feel it was the "right" single.
I know it isn't 2003 and 2005 anymore, but look at In Da Club & How We Do. Both songs were complete gangsta rap songs, had tons of cussing and other non-radio themes, and yet, both were HUGE. That'll happen when your label (and more importantly, the higher label) fully backs a project.
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How bout some Westside Story beats wit niggas rappin' over 'em who ain't dressed in broad tight jeans in they music videos lookin' like some homo ass rock stars.
(http://www.greensmilies.com/smile/smiley_emoticons_thumbs2-up_new.gif)
Ahhhhh, Westside Story did not sell that album, my friend. That song was found as a result of people buying the album based off of "How We Do". Great song. However, in 2011 I don't know how that would work out.
But while we're on the subject of Game, he seems to be leaning towards that "My single will be a sellout single too" phase.
I don't know what I was thinking but I was expecting some 'gangsta beats' from a 'gangsta producer'.
I don't like rap no mo' son. :'(
Chin up, brotha lol.
There is good music out there.
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Half of the people here don't know if they want G-Funk or not, want west coast rappers to do movies or not, want them to sign with other people outside of the west or not, or can't decide if Dre and DPGC fell off or still make dope music or not. Half support Game, half don't, half hate 40 Glocc, half love him, hardly anyone checks for the underground, where the REAL talent is at and has been for years on the west so to answer your question I am not amused or find it funny at all. Sounds spot on people want to boycott a Dre single.
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Again, I think alot of it has to do with people's expectations. 10+ years in the making for this... :eh:
No offense but a song called "Kush"...I wonder how long it took to come up with that concept ! A song which he didn't write or produce. I Need A Doctor ? (Don't get me started ;)) You might as well rename Detox, "Dr. Dre & Friends". You might be able to excite some people with these releases, but I've listened to most anything that ever mattered in Hip Hop. It'll take much more than this to "Bring The West Back." If your going to raise the bar, raise the bar.
I guess I always wanted Thunderbolts to come out of the speakers when I listened to Detox. Instead all I've gotten was a sparkler. :-\
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If Interscope/UMG pushes ANY Detox single (could be the most gangsta song of all time) as much as they pushed LTWYL or even Not Afraid, then you would see how this "must make a mainstream single to be successful" theory is thrown out the window. It doesn't matter what the song is, as long as it gets a ridiculous backing, it'll be mad successful. I know a lot of people won't buy that, but it's the truth. Of course it has to be at least somewhat decent if it's a rap song, but thats the way it is. Kush didn't recieve nearly what it should have (maybe because it wasn't supposed to come out anyways) and therefore was considered at least a semi-flop. That theory of "make good music and it will do good" is so far from the truth, sadly. And now watch, I Need A Doctor will get a HUGE push from Interscope/UMG and will blow. I strongly believe they could have (and should have) done that with Kush, but didn't feel it was the "right" single.
I know it isn't 2003 and 2005 anymore, but look at In Da Club & How We Do. Both songs were complete gangsta rap songs, had tons of cussing and other non-radio themes, and yet, both were HUGE. That'll happen when your label (and more importantly, the higher label) fully backs a project.
Sorry but what the fuck is a PUSH exactly? The labels have the same investment in say, "Kush", as they do "Love the Way You Lie". I'd argue you even more so since Detox is the most important project Interscope has going and a lot is riding on it. If all it took was the "right push", Interscope would stay doing that with everything they fucking put out. The fact is they gage all that on the audience's response to the records. It's not nearly as complicated as these theories you all keep throwing out. I'm a big believer in the idea that NOBODY knows what a hit record is when it comes to just listening to it. However once it's been put out to the public, it's very clear what a hit record is. And I'll tell you this for certain... them guys over there at Interscope would do whatever it takes to keep the value of that Detox project as high as possible. If they had to spend a few more pennies to make Kush the hottest thing on the streets, they'd do it. However, they're not gonna lose money pushing a record that's hit its mark already.
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Like i said before, and keep fucking saying
All Dre needs is a "How We Do" "In The Club" "Family Affair" "Still DRE" "Next Episode" club beat that blows everyones mind to get back on top. No selling out there - and times haven't changed that much. I guarantee if any of the above songs came out today - shit would still be epic
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that in most threads that get created in this section, somebody mentions that "The West is dead", "The West doesn't sell", "Somebody needs to put the West back on the map" & then when Dr. Dre releases a single that still may not, but is without doubt going to the right direction to do so & everybody is against it?
I think basically where I am going with this is, alright. You're all dying for West Coast Hip Hop to be relevant again, so what exactly do you want released to do so? Like what would your dream song be that would realistically do great on the charts & still have that classic West Coast feel to it? Let's be honest, "Kush" was West Coast & it did alright. I mean, I'm not complaining about it's numbers, but didn't come close to the Top 25, if I'm not mistaken. So that's a pretty good attempt at a mainstream, but yet a West Coast feel to a song & it didn't work out at all as far as "bringing the West back".
So you tell me, if you want the Coast to be "back on the map", yet you're going to basically make ten threads about boycotting the one single that could very well do just that; what exactly would you accept? & I mean something that will realistically work. Not some West Coast junkie dream.
your right man... a lot of these posts at the forum piss me off. Because Dre is about to bring the West Coast back once again, and all these people want to do is sit around and bitch and complain. "Kush" was a bangin track, period. We can sit around and bitch that it isn't at the level of "Nuttin But A G Thang" or "Still Dre", but it's still a damn good record, and it still feels damn good to see Dre and Snoop together again leading the way for rap music once more, and hopefully bringing the West Coast back into the spotlight.
These people at the forum are either too young, or they have short memories. Because around 1998 the West Coast was also in decline in comparison to other regions, and when Dre released his album in Fall of 1999 suddenly the lights came on in the West, and the quality of hip-hop music was better all over the world with Dre back front and center. Even the tracks/beats that Dre was making during that era that didn't make Dre's album, many of them ended up being used on other artists albums like Snoop's Top Dogg and Last Meal album, Eminem's MMLP, or Xzibit's Restless LP, or Knoc, or Eve, Mary J., or even Ice Cube's Peace Disc (like "HELLO" for example). Then Snoop suddenly found himself again and even when he wasn't working with Dre he was still putting out quality projects like the Eastsidaz album for example, or take an artist like Xzibit were able to ride Dre and Snoop's coattails to achieve the success we had all felt they'd deserved;...
So Dre is about to do us all a huge favor, and do hip-hop a huge favor and it's not the first time. This forum consists of Dre's biggest fans, and maybe they are self-conscious about being viewed as a fanatic or being a called a "dickrider" or they are out to prove that they are some purist underground heads or some shit like that and they think dissing a mainstream artist like Dre will make them appear to be more knowledgeable... whatever it is... I think it's bullshit.
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that in most threads that get created in this section, somebody mentions that "The West is dead", "The West doesn't sell", "Somebody needs to put the West back on the map" & then when Dr. Dre releases a single that still may not, but is without doubt going to the right direction to do so & everybody is against it?
I think basically where I am going with this is, alright. You're all dying for West Coast Hip Hop to be relevant again, so what exactly do you want released to do so? Like what would your dream song be that would realistically do great on the charts & still have that classic West Coast feel to it? Let's be honest, "Kush" was West Coast & it did alright. I mean, I'm not complaining about it's numbers, but didn't come close to the Top 25, if I'm not mistaken. So that's a pretty good attempt at a mainstream, but yet a West Coast feel to a song & it didn't work out at all as far as "bringing the West back".
So you tell me, if you want the Coast to be "back on the map", yet you're going to basically make ten threads about boycotting the one single that could very well do just that; what exactly would you accept? & I mean something that will realistically work. Not some West Coast junkie dream.
your right man... a lot of these posts at the forum piss me off. Because Dre is about to bring the West Coast back once again, and all these people want to do is sit around and bitch and complain. "Kush" was a bangin track, period. We can sit around and bitch that it isn't at the level of "Nuttin But A G Thang" or "Still Dre", but it's still a damn good record, and it still feels damn good to see Dre and Snoop together again leading the way for rap music once more, and hopefully bringing the West Coast back into the spotlight.
These people at the forum are either too young, or they have short memories. Because around 1998 the West Coast was also in decline in comparison to other regions, and when Dre released his album in Fall of 1999 suddenly the lights came on in the West, and the quality of hip-hop music was better all over the world with Dre back front and center. Even the tracks/beats that Dre was making during that era that didn't make Dre's album, many of them ended up being used on other artists albums like Snoop's Top Dogg and Last Meal album, Eminem's MMLP, or Xzibit's Restless LP, or Knoc, or Eve, Mary J., or even Ice Cube's Peace Disc (like "HELLO" for example). Then Snoop suddenly found himself again and even when he wasn't working with Dre he was still putting out quality projects like the Eastsidaz album for example, or take an artist like Xzibit were able to ride Dre and Snoop's coattails to achieve the success we had all felt they'd deserved;...
So Dre is about to do us all a huge favor, and do hip-hop a huge favor and it's not the first time. This forum consists of Dre's biggest fans, and maybe they are self-conscious about being viewed as a fanatic or being a called a "dickrider" or they are out to prove that they are some purist underground heads or some shit like that and they think dissing a mainstream artist like Dre will make them appear to be more knowledgeable... whatever it is... I think it's bullshit.
Truthfully I could give a fuck whether Dre brings the west back or not. All I want from this is a dope album. I'll take that anyday over a weak album that puts the west back on the map.
Dre has to want that too. He wants the album to sell, but at the same time I'm also sure he wants it to be well-received. Even if it sells 4 million copies, it will still be considered a failure if it gets bad or even average reviews.
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If Interscope/UMG pushes ANY Detox single (could be the most gangsta song of all time) as much as they pushed LTWYL or even Not Afraid, then you would see how this "must make a mainstream single to be successful" theory is thrown out the window. It doesn't matter what the song is, as long as it gets a ridiculous backing, it'll be mad successful. I know a lot of people won't buy that, but it's the truth. Of course it has to be at least somewhat decent if it's a rap song, but thats the way it is. Kush didn't recieve nearly what it should have (maybe because it wasn't supposed to come out anyways) and therefore was considered at least a semi-flop. That theory of "make good music and it will do good" is so far from the truth, sadly. And now watch, I Need A Doctor will get a HUGE push from Interscope/UMG and will blow. I strongly believe they could have (and should have) done that with Kush, but didn't feel it was the "right" single.
I know it isn't 2003 and 2005 anymore, but look at In Da Club & How We Do. Both songs were complete gangsta rap songs, had tons of cussing and other non-radio themes, and yet, both were HUGE. That'll happen when your label (and more importantly, the higher label) fully backs a project.
Kush was promoted a lot.
Half of the people here don't know if they want G-Funk or not, want west coast rappers to do movies or not, want them to sign with other people outside of the west or not, or can't decide if Dre and DPGC fell off or still make dope music or not. Half support Game, half don't, half hate 40 Glocc, half love him, hardly anyone checks for the underground, where the REAL talent is at and has been for years on the west so to answer your question I am not amused or find it funny at all. Sounds spot on people want to boycott a Dre single.
yeah, like i said in the other topic, if Dre produced his own single, it would have been shitted on by some too.
with that said, i think it's a shame that Dre didn't produce the two singles
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You know what just hit me? He didn't write the lyrics or produce the beat for either song. What a talentless fuck. :P
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You know what just hit me? He didn't write the lyrics or produce the beat for either song. What a talentless fuck. :P
Yeah but still, you know dre did "produce" the tracks at the end, in the sense of putting it all together like a director.
I dont think khalil and snoop could have made kush for example.
Like Storch and jayz would never drop a "still dre".
Unfortunatly, we'll never know the details of how these projects come to life. But dre is definitly doing his thing.
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You know what just hit me? He didn't write the lyrics or produce the beat for either song. What a talentless fuck. :P
Yeah but still, you know dre did "produce" the tracks at the end, in the sense of putting it all together like a director.
I dont think khalil and snoop could have made kush for example.
Like Storch and jayz would never drop a "still dre".
Unfortunatly, we'll never know the details of how these projects come to life. But dre is definitly doing his thing.
Dre mixed those tracks. He didn't "produce" them in the way usually does (ie: "putting them together"). Storch didn't produce Still D.R.E., Dre produced Still D.R.E. - Storch came up with the plingpling keyboard melody, cause that's what he does: he's the piano man. Dre & Mel Man (?) did the rest. Musicians play the instruments and get writing credits most of the time cause they come up with the melody (the producer may tell me what they should be going for). So why should Khalil not be able to come up with "Kush"? His keyboard player Danny Keyz came up with the piano loop, Khalil put the small stuff like the tubas and bass over his drums and Snoop, Akon, Slim da Mobster and the other dudes on the vocals wrote the lyrics according to Dre. It's not that hard to reverse-engineer the credits to know who did what.
Besides, it's not even fair to compare ANY "single" coming out today to singles coming out in the 90s or early 00s. Today, all they throw out there are songs to test/create buzz - the street-single formula. I seriously wouldn't be surprised if Kush & I need a doctor didn't even end up on the album. Maybe as "bonus tracks" like "Crack a bottle" ended up at the end of Relapse.
Most people are just mad and have become cynical because they love(d) Dre's old stuff so much and it is taking so long to come out. Add that to the usual internet negativity coupled with an unhealthy dose of pessismism created by the declining overall quality of "popular" rap music and you get all this hating on here or everywhere else.
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IMO this is some of the best music coming out of California in 10 years. Schoolboy q, murs, kendrick Lamar, blu, fashawn, Zion I .....
I can't remember the last time I looked at a chart tho
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This conversation has been had a thousand times before, but fuck it. Producing in hip-hop is NOT the same as producing in almost every other genre. People generally credit the beatmaker with the production credits, when in most other genres its the person who guided the artist/band through the album/song creation and assisted them in what to play and how to play it. Similar to a director in movies, but obviously not that major of a role. In hip hop, there can be producers, but a beatmaker is different. The beatmaker makes the beat, the producer does the above. Now on his past 2 albums, Dre did both, he made beats (with others) and acted as the producer on the album, which really is a big deal. NOW however, he acts as the producer, but NOT the beatmaker (not even additional production, just the mixer) on his past two DETOX singles. He still basically "made" the entire track and put it together without writing anything or making any beats. That's a producer.
The Documentary - Dre as the executive producer = Dre overlooked and basically arranged Game's album, which is why it's a classic IMO. Same with GRODT, with Dre & Em. Sometimes, even in rap, the producer doesn't have to "executive produce" the whole album, but rather a single or multiple tracks. Example for that being "The Ocean" or "Soft Rhodes" on Game's last mixape.
FYI when you can make the beat (and with the help of others, telling them what to play), mix the track, and arrange/produce the whole thing to your liking . . . that's a fuckin artist, and that's what Dre has been known for since the early 90's. The only thing missing on his half is the ability to write, although i'm sure he can write a decent verse, being around the rap game for near 30 years. And for that reason, my mind is blown away as to the decision to not have Dre production on the biggest rap album of all time - his own album.
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I think everybody is just fiendin for a DOPE ass song with endless replay value like Dre's first 2 albums has.
Quality! Who puts out quality? I mean really crazy dope music which is not just good underground shit or dope enough mixtape joints..
Everything seems mediocre as shit..
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Who gives a fuck about sales, people only bring up sales to belittle an artist they don't like or dick suck one they do. No one really gives a fuck about them but a minority of super stans.
This most recent single is only selling because it's an Eminem track. Way to go Dre.
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The West isn't dead, Just the scene affiliated with NWA/Deathrow.
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This conversation has been had a thousand times before, but fuck it. Producing in hip-hop is NOT the same as producing in almost every other genre. People generally credit the beatmaker with the production credits, when in most other genres its the person who guided the artist/band through the album/song creation and assisted them in what to play and how to play it. Similar to a director in movies, but obviously not that major of a role. In hip hop, there can be producers, but a beatmaker is different. The beatmaker makes the beat, the producer does the above. Now on his past 2 albums, Dre did both, he made beats (with others) and acted as the producer on the album, which really is a big deal. NOW however, he acts as the producer, but NOT the beatmaker (not even additional production, just the mixer) on his past two DETOX singles. He still basically "made" the entire track and put it together without writing anything or making any beats. That's a producer.
The Documentary - Dre as the executive producer = Dre overlooked and basically arranged Game's album, which is why it's a classic IMO. Same with GRODT, with Dre & Em. Sometimes, even in rap, the producer doesn't have to "executive produce" the whole album, but rather a single or multiple tracks. Example for that being "The Ocean" or "Soft Rhodes" on Game's last mixape.
FYI when you can make the beat (and with the help of others, telling them what to play), mix the track, and arrange/produce the whole thing to your liking . . . that's a fuckin artist, and that's what Dre has been known for since the early 90's. The only thing missing on his half is the ability to write, although i'm sure he can write a decent verse, being around the rap game for near 30 years. And for that reason, my mind is blown away as to the decision to not have Dre production on the biggest rap album of all time - his own album.
good post.
as far as producing Kush & the other single is concerned: he had a hand in the making of these songs, but i think you can't say he played the role of the main producer.
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I think Kush and INAD are both hype tracks that aren't on the album, and we will soon hear rumors about and a release date for the first official single for Detox, produced by Dr. Dre.
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not that amusing.
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This conversation has been had a thousand times before, but fuck it. Producing in hip-hop is NOT the same as producing in almost every other genre. People generally credit the beatmaker with the production credits, when in most other genres its the person who guided the artist/band through the album/song creation and assisted them in what to play and how to play it. Similar to a director in movies, but obviously not that major of a role. In hip hop, there can be producers, but a beatmaker is different. The beatmaker makes the beat, the producer does the above. Now on his past 2 albums, Dre did both, he made beats (with others) and acted as the producer on the album, which really is a big deal. NOW however, he acts as the producer, but NOT the beatmaker (not even additional production, just the mixer) on his past two DETOX singles. He still basically "made" the entire track and put it together without writing anything or making any beats. That's a producer.
The Documentary - Dre as the executive producer = Dre overlooked and basically arranged Game's album, which is why it's a classic IMO. Same with GRODT, with Dre & Em. Sometimes, even in rap, the producer doesn't have to "executive produce" the whole album, but rather a single or multiple tracks. Example for that being "The Ocean" or "Soft Rhodes" on Game's last mixape.
FYI when you can make the beat (and with the help of others, telling them what to play), mix the track, and arrange/produce the whole thing to your liking . . . that's a fuckin artist, and that's what Dre has been known for since the early 90's. The only thing missing on his half is the ability to write, although i'm sure he can write a decent verse, being around the rap game for near 30 years. And for that reason, my mind is blown away as to the decision to not have Dre production on the biggest rap album of all time - his own album.
good post.
as far as producing Kush & the other single is concerned: he had a hand in the making of these songs, but i think you can't say he played the role of the main producer.
He wasn't even credited as a producer.
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yeah i know, DJ Khalil is credited as the producer for Kush. i haven't seen the full credits for the other single, but it will probably list Alex da kid as the producer.
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its true everything sounds mediocore these days....you know why? Cuz we are flooded with music. back in the days around chronic 2001 we were listening to real player snippets of snoop and shit and it was different. a song had a diff. value. artists were more exciting.. now that their are 100000000000000 artists online and we hear all their new songs everyday this music shit is just not as exciting...I dont know? something is wrong, but i am not making an excuse for "i need a doctor", what a shitty beat! fuck dre for that.
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its true everything sounds mediocore these days....you know why? Cuz we are flooded with music. back in the days around chronic 2001 we were listening to real player snippets of snoop and shit and it was different. a song had a diff. value. artists were more exciting.. now that their are 100000000000000 artists online and we hear all their new songs everyday this music shit is just not as exciting...I dont know? something is wrong, but i am not making an excuse for "i need a doctor", what a shitty beat! fuck dre for that.
In other words, over-saturation.
Honestly, if you ask me, Jimmy needs to fuck off for this one and let Dre do his thing. Now if it's Dre who's the problem here, and he ACTUALLY agrees with all the shit thats going on, then I don't see a bright future for the whole Aftermath/Interscope powerhouse (NOT in terms of sales! They will always run the soundscan/BDS).
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its true everything sounds mediocore these days....you know why? Cuz we are flooded with music. back in the days around chronic 2001 we were listening to real player snippets of snoop and shit and it was different. a song had a diff. value. artists were more exciting.. now that their are 100000000000000 artists online and we hear all their new songs everyday this music shit is just not as exciting...I dont know? something is wrong, but i am not making an excuse for "i need a doctor", what a shitty beat! fuck dre for that.
In other words, over-saturation.
Honestly, if you ask me, Jimmy needs to fuck off for this one and let Dre do his thing. Now if it's Dre who's the problem here, and he ACTUALLY agrees with all the shit thats going on, then I don't see a bright future for the whole Aftermath/Interscope powerhouse (NOT in terms of sales! They will always run the soundscan/BDS).
think about it, he's been with interscope since 1992.
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its true everything sounds mediocore these days....you know why? Cuz we are flooded with music. back in the days around chronic 2001 we were listening to real player snippets of snoop and shit and it was different. a song had a diff. value. artists were more exciting.. now that their are 100000000000000 artists online and we hear all their new songs everyday this music shit is just not as exciting...I dont know? something is wrong, but i am not making an excuse for "i need a doctor", what a shitty beat! fuck dre for that.
this
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not that amusing.
Oh, no. It's hilarious. It just depends if you invested all your hopes & dreams into Detox. ;D
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not that amusing.
Oh, no. It's hilarious. It just depends if you invested all your hopes & dreams into Detox. ;D
my entire life is invested into Detox. On suicide watch after I Need A Doctor! no more jokes please :nahnah: :nahnah: :nahnah:
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not that amusing.
Oh, no. It's hilarious. It just depends if you invested all your hopes & dreams into Detox. ;D
my entire life is invested into Detox. On suicide watch after I Need A Doctor! no more jokes please :nahnah: :nahnah: :nahnah:
I'm sure you mean it sarcastically but sadly I'm pretty sure its true of you
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not that amusing.
Oh, no. It's hilarious. It just depends if you invested all your hopes & dreams into Detox. ;D
my entire life is invested into Detox. On suicide watch after I Need A Doctor! no more jokes please :nahnah: :nahnah: :nahnah:
I'm sure you mean it sarcastically but sadly I'm pretty sure its true of you
you're completely wrong, but that would impossible to prove or for you to accept.
hint: there could be another reason why i'm not that fussed about other people's opinions or opinion trends, amusing or otherwise.
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if ppl had to pick,,
25 Dre-tracks from the DeathRow-vault or a 10-track Detox album?
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How bout some Westside Story beats wit niggas rappin' over 'em who ain't dressed in broad tight jeans in they music videos lookin' like some homo ass rock stars.
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Ahhhhh, Westside Story did not sell that album, my friend. That song was found as a result of people buying the album based off of "How We Do". Great song. However, in 2011 I don't know how that would work out.
But while we're on the subject of Game, he seems to be leaning towards that "My single will be a sellout single too" phase.
'Westside Story' was the street single and was getting spins from hip-hop DJs before 'How We Do', although that leaked much earlier if i remember. But on a mainstream level, 'How We Do' was certainly what blew up and sold the album.
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chris rock said it best...
"what ever music was on the radio when you first started getting laid is gonna be the best shit of all time to you"
these guys are waiting for a song that will take them back to the days when they first started getting laid and partying...like as soon as the dre record comes on your whole life style is gonna change up or something and glory days from highschool will be reinstated....sorry uncle rico, it dont work like that.
i promise you these ppl hating on kush have never even seen the reaction it gets in the club and probably havent heard it on anything but computer speakers...it may not be "let me ride" but that fucking song bangs and it was very well put together...the beat the hook and all that shit. was i disappointed by it? a little...did it grow on me? alot.
/tha voice of reason has spoken.
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chris rock said it best...
"what ever music was on the radio when you first started getting laid is gonna be the best shit of all time to you"
these guys are waiting for a song that will take them back to the days when they first started getting laid and partying...like as soon as the dre record comes on your whole life style is gonna change up or something and glory days from highschool will be reinstated....sorry uncle rico, it dont work like that.
i promise you these ppl hating on kush have never even seen the reaction it gets in the club and probably havent heard it on anything but computer speakers...it may not be "let me ride" but that fucking song bangs and it was very well put together...the beat the hook and all that shit. was i disappointed by it? a little...did it grow on me? alot.
/tha voice of reason has spoken.
'the voice of reason' is reasonable, but i don't think this applies to everyone. i'm more of the opinion that good music is timeless...e.g. the best shit of all time for me is a lot of stuff from before i was even born.
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if ppl had to pick,,
25 Dre-tracks from the DeathRow-vault or a 10-track Detox album?
If there were really 25 Dre tracks in the Death Row vault and I got to pick between that or a new album, I'd probably pick the 25 Dre songs in the Death Row vault. Not because I think Dre can't make a good new album, I just prefer the era of music when the Death Row tracks would have been recorded.
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basically its not hitting your ears the same way and giving you that "warm fuzzy feeling" in the pit of your stomach because youve outgrown the whole schtick of a middle aged man making teeny bopper records but you havent came to terms with it yet.
a musical mid life crisis.
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Who gives a fuck about sales, people only bring up sales to belittle an artist they don't like or dick suck one they do. No one really gives a fuck about them but a minority of super stans.
This most recent single is only selling because it's an Eminem track. Way to go Dre.
You better GIVE A FUCK ABOUT SALES... because it's a copy-cat industry. And right now we have all the artists and fans wanting to be like fucking Lil Wayne and Nikki Minaj and ghetto trash like that, all this SHAAWWTY WANNNA FUCK, SHAWWTY IN THE CLLUUUUB, bullshit!!!...
But if you go back to 2000/2001 when Eminem was on top, you had all the artists and fans getting heavy into lyrics, and the styles that were coming out were highly lyrical and creative, and very expressive. With Dre on top in those days you had artists like Xzibit getting a lot of props, artists with real credibility, lyricism, creativity, who rapped for the men not just bitches in the club.
Go back even farther to the mid-90's when Nas and Wu-Tang were on top of the East Coast and Death Row was on top off the West Coast nearly every damn rap song you heard was dope and it was like a golden age in hip-hop!
Or even further back to the late 80's when Rakim and KRS were on top you had artists getting into consciousness and the whole culture was a movement that was inspiring a lot of people to do more than just shake their ass in the club.
...So how much Dre's album sells means a whole lot and fuck anybody that says otherwise!!!
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chris rock said it best...
"what ever music was on the radio when you first started getting laid is gonna be the best shit of all time to you"
Basically... The audience they're targeting with INAD is not the audience most people here are a part of. If you don't like it, don't buy the fucking album and put the good old "Chronic" in your cd-player again.
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not that amusing.
Oh, no. It's hilarious. It just depends if you invested all your hopes & dreams into Detox. ;D
my entire life is invested into Detox. On suicide watch after I Need A Doctor! no more jokes please :nahnah: :nahnah: :nahnah:
I'm sure you mean it sarcastically but sadly I'm pretty sure its true of you
you're completely wrong, but that would impossible to prove or for you to accept.
hint: there could be another reason why i'm not that fussed about other people's opinions or opinion trends, amusing or otherwise.
lmao you've posted more about Detox than probably any other fanboy
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"what ever music was on the radio when you first started getting laid is gonna be the best shit of all time to you"
Outside of hiphop, my favorite music is mostly from the 60s and 70s when I wasn't born yet, so there goes that little argument
I guess it must take me back to my glory days of 1-2 decades before I was born... or maybe I just like the way it sounds?
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"what ever music was on the radio when you first started getting laid is gonna be the best shit of all time to you"
Outside of hiphop, my favorite music is mostly from the 60s and 70s when I wasn't born yet, so there goes that little argument
I guess it must take me back to my glory days of 1-2 decades before I was born... or maybe I just like the way it sounds?
I think a better way to say it is, whatever music you were listening to when you first started getting laid is gonna be the best shit of all time to you.
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"what ever music was on the radio when you first started getting laid is gonna be the best shit of all time to you"
Outside of hiphop, my favorite music is mostly from the 60s and 70s when I wasn't born yet, so there goes that little argument
I guess it must take me back to my glory days of 1-2 decades before I was born... or maybe I just like the way it sounds?
I think a better way to say it is, whatever music you were listening to when you first started getting laid is gonna be the best shit of all time to you.
I wasn't listening to 60s and 70s stuff when I started getting laid either, quite a bit after that... in fact I can't remember what stuff I was into around that time and it's irrelevant to what a song sounds like...
Just because you're getting laid at the time doesn't make someone's rapping better or the beats better, so I don't get that quote at all
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That song was found as a result of people buying the album based off of "How We Do".
Flat out wrong with that statement. As someone mentioned, it was not only the street single but was getting tons of spins. Hell, Snoop jumped on the song so he could hop aboard the bandwagon.
"Westside Story" was well known before "How We Do" dropped.
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I still don't understand that they altered "Higher" for the album version.
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that in most threads that get created in this section, somebody mentions that "The West is dead", "The West doesn't sell", "Somebody needs to put the West back on the map" & then when Dr. Dre releases a single that still may not, but is without doubt going to the right direction to do so & everybody is against it?
I think basically where I am going with this is, alright. You're all dying for West Coast Hip Hop to be relevant again, so what exactly do you want released to do so? Like what would your dream song be that would realistically do great on the charts & still have that classic West Coast feel to it? Let's be honest, "Kush" was West Coast & it did alright. I mean, I'm not complaining about it's numbers, but didn't come close to the Top 25, if I'm not mistaken. So that's a pretty good attempt at a mainstream, but yet a West Coast feel to a song & it didn't work out at all as far as "bringing the West back".
So you tell me, if you want the Coast to be "back on the map", yet you're going to basically make ten threads about boycotting the one single that could very well do just that; what exactly would you accept? & I mean something that will realistically work. Not some West Coast junkie dream.
As far as the topic goes, the reason people dislike the track is because it's more of a track Eminem would use for one of his records than a Dre track. Dre's been talking about how Detox was going to redefine rap and this song goes against that because it just recycles what many of Eminem's productions sound like. Not saying that "Kush" was ground-breaking, but it's more along the lines of something fans were expecting. I think the name "I Need A Doctor" fits the whole Detox theme, but the execution went horribly wrong.
My solution would have been for Dre to release "Shit Popped Off" (or I guess the radio edit would be "Popped Off") or "Topless" as singles. Both those tracks had bigger buzzes and were better than "I Need a Doctor".
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not that amusing.
Oh, no. It's hilarious. It just depends if you invested all your hopes & dreams into Detox. ;D
my entire life is invested into Detox. On suicide watch after I Need A Doctor! no more jokes please :nahnah: :nahnah: :nahnah:
I'm sure you mean it sarcastically but sadly I'm pretty sure its true of you
you're completely wrong, but that would impossible to prove or for you to accept.
hint: there could be another reason why i'm not that fussed about other people's opinions or opinion trends, amusing or otherwise.
lmao you've posted more about Detox than probably any other fanboy
i was about to say, dont make me go look up the posts dude made right when kush came out...matty was caught in a whirlwind of sadness and rage over that song lol.
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'Start From Scratch' was like 20/10. :D
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not that amusing.
Oh, no. It's hilarious. It just depends if you invested all your hopes & dreams into Detox. ;D
my entire life is invested into Detox. On suicide watch after I Need A Doctor! no more jokes please :nahnah: :nahnah: :nahnah:
I'm sure you mean it sarcastically but sadly I'm pretty sure its true of you
you're completely wrong, but that would impossible to prove or for you to accept.
hint: there could be another reason why i'm not that fussed about other people's opinions or opinion trends, amusing or otherwise.
lmao you've posted more about Detox than probably any other fanboy
i was about to say, dont make me go look up the posts dude made right when kush came out...matty was caught in a whirlwind of sadness and rage over that song lol.
i wrote a load about it and stand behind everything i said, namely that it wasn't very good based on dre's previous singles, produced or solo. you won't find any quotes where i'm explictly mad or unhappy, because there are none. there are, on the other hand, plenty of people saying 'fuck dre' 'dre sucks' and getting mad about the current single.
that's not to say i don't care at all, otherwise why would i post all that stuff. but the discussion is in context, i enjoy giving my opinion in detail and this is the right place to do it. anyone else is free to do so too.
and considering how long 'detox' has been brewing, it's a topic that can be discussed as much as anyone likes imo. i don't think its necessary for some posters to be popping up in almost every single dre thread complaining 'not this again' and bagging on people, because that whole attitude is far worse than the people 'excessively' talking about it.
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How bout some Westside Story beats wit niggas rappin' over 'em who ain't dressed in broad tight jeans in they music videos lookin' like some homo ass rock stars.
(http://www.greensmilies.com/smile/smiley_emoticons_thumbs2-up_new.gif)
Did you ever see the insert in the Eazy E 187umm album?
thats DRE you're describing
LOL
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I don't think anybody is denying the fact that Dre is/can put the West back on the map, but that doesn't change anything about the quality of his work, or lack thereof. I would say everyone is/should be happy with Detox coming out, period. But as I said, when the quality clearly doesn't come close to the hype, then what would you expect from any hip-hop fans. Also, I think most people are pissed with his means of taking back the spotlight (mainstream, sellout, etc.)
I SWORE I heard little tiny G-Funk sounds in the background of I Need a Doctor. So he hasn't really completely sold out!
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I don't think anybody is denying the fact that Dre is/can put the West back on the map, but that doesn't change anything about the quality of his work, or lack thereof. I would say everyone is/should be happy with Detox coming out, period. But as I said, when the quality clearly doesn't come close to the hype, then what would you expect from any hip-hop fans. Also, I think most people are pissed with his means of taking back the spotlight (mainstream, sellout, etc.)
I SWORE I heard little tiny G-Funk sounds in the background of I Need a Doctor. So he hasn't really completely sold out!
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I dont give a fuck about record sales as long as the product is quality. Kush is still crazy to me, new Quik track is heat, 2 Game mixtapes are quality, Snoopy still the king of the coast, Tha Dogg Pound still dope & Pac Div, Dom Kennedy, Nipsey, Blu, & Fashawn are alllllllll dope. Westcoast is not dead.
Take it for what it is, It aint nuthing but fuckin music.
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That song was found as a result of people buying the album based off of "How We Do".
Flat out wrong with that statement. As someone mentioned, it was not only the street single but was getting tons of spins. Hell, Snoop jumped on the song so he could hop aboard the bandwagon.
"Westside Story" was well known before "How We Do" dropped.
Yeah, maybe by people who pay attention to music closely. I think that's where people get it twisted. They view boards like this & assume everybody who listens to rap plays as close attention as we do. Facebook & Twitter have gotten absurdly popular in the last 3-4 years & now people like us just post things to inform people that artists have dropped new matieral.
But back when this album came out, that communication wasn't as big. If people got lucky enough to hear it on the radio, then I guess, but it wasn't played that much on the radio. I didn't even know who Game was until I heard "How We Do" on the radio. I didn't search around the internet for music at the time. Honestly, I remember when I heard it. I turned the radio on during 50's verse & I thought it was a new 50 song lol. That's how the average fan finds out about things, if it's played on the radio.
All I'm saying is, if there was a poll outside of this hardcore rap forum & posted it on like MTV.com & asked; "What was the first Game song you heard? "How We Do", "Hate It or Love It" or "Westside Story"? 90% of the votes would be a combination of "How We Do" & "Hate It or Love It".
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chris rock said it best...
"what ever music was on the radio when you first started getting laid is gonna be the best shit of all time to you"
Basically... The audience they're targeting with INAD is not the audience most people here are a part of. If you don't like it, don't buy the fucking album and put the good old "Chronic" in your cd-player again.
What exact age are you referring to? If you're talking about litteral kids, like 10-15 years old then I guess you're right, but if you're talking about the teenage to late teenage area (15-21) then I would have to disagree. I know tonnes of people that age who dont give a fuck about Eminem's new shit and agree with a lot of us, thinking its gay as fuck. Even myself, who am very close to that group (early 20's) think this is just little girl shit. Honestly, this new Eminem shit is for preteens and kids, so if that's the age group your talking about then I would agree.
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What exact age are you referring to? If you're talking about litteral kids, like 10-15 years old then I guess you're right, but if you're talking about the teenage to late teenage area (15-21) then I would have to disagree. I know tonnes of people that age who dont give a fuck about Eminem's new shit and agree with a lot of us, thinking its gay as fuck. Even myself, who am very close to that group (early 20's) think this is just little girl shit. Honestly, this new Eminem shit is for preteens and kids, so if that's the age group your talking about then I would agree.
Well, everyone is going to have a different view of things but I know plenty of kids in that early adult (18-23) demographic who love Eminem's shit. So there you go.
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not that amusing.
Oh, no. It's hilarious. It just depends if you invested all your hopes & dreams into Detox. ;D
my entire life is invested into Detox. On suicide watch after I Need A Doctor! no more jokes please :nahnah: :nahnah: :nahnah:
I'm sure you mean it sarcastically but sadly I'm pretty sure its true of you
you're completely wrong, but that would impossible to prove or for you to accept.
hint: there could be another reason why i'm not that fussed about other people's opinions or opinion trends, amusing or otherwise.
lmao you've posted more about Detox than probably any other fanboy
i was about to say, dont make me go look up the posts dude made right when kush came out...matty was caught in a whirlwind of sadness and rage over that song lol.
i wrote a load about it and stand behind everything i said, namely that it wasn't very good based on dre's previous singles, produced or solo. you won't find any quotes where i'm explictly mad or unhappy, because there are none. there are, on the other hand, plenty of people saying 'fuck dre' 'dre sucks' and getting mad about the current single.
that's not to say i don't care at all, otherwise why would i post all that stuff. but the discussion is in context, i enjoy giving my opinion in detail and this is the right place to do it. anyone else is free to do so too.
and considering how long 'detox' has been brewing, it's a topic that can be discussed as much as anyone likes imo. i don't think its necessary for some posters to be popping up in almost every single dre thread complaining 'not this again' and bagging on people, because that whole attitude is far worse than the people 'excessively' talking about it.
my suggestion is to make a temporary room just for dre threads for you and the boys...alot of ppl dont care to read about the emotional highs and lows that you guys suffer through as this album nears release. it definetly drags the board down...
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Thanks 4 that last little bit Petey becuz lord knows that i read NONE of this shit.
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Thanks 4 that last little bit Petey becuz lord knows that i read NONE of this shit.
but you do write your own :monkey:
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What exact age are you referring to? If you're talking about litteral kids, like 10-15 years old then I guess you're right, but if you're talking about the teenage to late teenage area (15-21) then I would have to disagree. I know tonnes of people that age who dont give a fuck about Eminem's new shit and agree with a lot of us, thinking its gay as fuck. Even myself, who am very close to that group (early 20's) think this is just little girl shit. Honestly, this new Eminem shit is for preteens and kids, so if that's the age group your talking about then I would agree.
Well, everyone is going to have a different view of things but I know plenty of kids in that early adult (18-23) demographic who love Eminem's shit. So there you go.
Yes, obviously, I know plenty as well (hell I loved Relapse and liked some of Recovery), but what I was saying is that it's not ONLY "old-time" fans and real hip-hop heads that think this shit is trash/childish shit, a lot of people do (ALL ages), and almost everyone "in the know" will tell you this was a HUGE disapointment. I hate when people act as if little fuckin girls are in charge of the direction of hip-hop, just because they're the only one's who will isten to the radio and actually buy an album, its complete bullshit.
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Hey Matty, atleast my monkey tastes good
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Hey Matty, atleast my monkey tastes good
don't think i wanna know any more :monkey:
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Do any of you guys realize how mainstream Forgot about Dre sounds?
Just sayin.
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not that amusing.
Oh, no. It's hilarious. It just depends if you invested all your hopes & dreams into Detox. ;D
my entire life is invested into Detox. On suicide watch after I Need A Doctor! no more jokes please :nahnah: :nahnah: :nahnah:
I'm sure you mean it sarcastically but sadly I'm pretty sure its true of you
you're completely wrong, but that would impossible to prove or for you to accept.
hint: there could be another reason why i'm not that fussed about other people's opinions or opinion trends, amusing or otherwise.
lmao you've posted more about Detox than probably any other fanboy
well he didn't kill himself, did he?
at least Matty makes constructive posts. that can't be said about everybody that's disappointed with the singles
That song was found as a result of people buying the album based off of "How We Do".
Flat out wrong with that statement. As someone mentioned, it was not only the street single but was getting tons of spins. Hell, Snoop jumped on the song so he could hop aboard the bandwagon.
"Westside Story" was well known before "How We Do" dropped.
Snoop's version was done before the album version.
that in most threads that get created in this section, somebody mentions that "The West is dead", "The West doesn't sell", "Somebody needs to put the West back on the map" & then when Dr. Dre releases a single that still may not, but is without doubt going to the right direction to do so & everybody is against it?
I think basically where I am going with this is, alright. You're all dying for West Coast Hip Hop to be relevant again, so what exactly do you want released to do so? Like what would your dream song be that would realistically do great on the charts & still have that classic West Coast feel to it? Let's be honest, "Kush" was West Coast & it did alright. I mean, I'm not complaining about it's numbers, but didn't come close to the Top 25, if I'm not mistaken. So that's a pretty good attempt at a mainstream, but yet a West Coast feel to a song & it didn't work out at all as far as "bringing the West back".
So you tell me, if you want the Coast to be "back on the map", yet you're going to basically make ten threads about boycotting the one single that could very well do just that; what exactly would you accept? & I mean something that will realistically work. Not some West Coast junkie dream.
As far as the topic goes, the reason people dislike the track is because it's more of a track Eminem would use for one of his records than a Dre track. Dre's been talking about how Detox was going to redefine rap and this song goes against that because it just recycles what many of Eminem's productions sound like. Not saying that "Kush" was ground-breaking, but it's more along the lines of something fans were expecting. I think the name "I Need A Doctor" fits the whole Detox theme, but the execution went horribly wrong.
My solution would have been for Dre to release "Shit Popped Off" (or I guess the radio edit would be "Popped Off") or "Topless" as singles. Both those tracks had bigger buzzes and were better than "I Need a Doctor".
bullshit. Dre's new single is #1, not big enough for you?
those two leaked songs were spread fast on the internet, as they were tagged with Detox. but how do you know that these are certified hits?
i'm not an expert myself, but when i look at Kush, i doubt that Topless & Shit popped off would do much better ( let alone top I need a doctor :P).
these two leaks got better feedback on dubcc than Dre's newest single. while there are a lot of dre fans on this forum, i doubt that the majority pays for digital downloads.
Do any of you guys realize how mainstream Forgot about Dre sounds?
Just sayin.
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As far as the topic goes, the reason people dislike the track is because it's more of a track Eminem would use for one of his records than a Dre track. Dre's been talking about how Detox was going to redefine rap and this song goes against that because it just recycles what many of Eminem's productions sound like. Not saying that "Kush" was ground-breaking, but it's more along the lines of something fans were expecting. I think the name "I Need A Doctor" fits the whole Detox theme, but the execution went horribly wrong.
What Eminem productions does it exactly sound like? I hear a lot of the “Love the Way You Lie” comparisons but they don’t fit with me. I think it’s an easy one to make because of them sharing the same producer.
I don’t think it went horribly wrong at all. I think people with a little less emotional involvement in “Detox” who are more receptive to just listening to the music itself are really digging it. The problem with arguing with people who want another “Chronic” is there is no acceptable defense here.
My solution would have been for Dre to release "Shit Popped Off" (or I guess the radio edit would be "Popped Off") or "Topless" as singles. Both those tracks had bigger buzzes and were better than "I Need a Doctor".
On what basis are you drawing that either one of those tracks was more well-received? I know on West Coast forums, those were the two least-panned Detox leaks but that doesn’t really say anything in regards to the bigger picture.
Truth be told, they were two of my favorites but I don’t see either one as being “better” than I Need A Doctor. Just more of what you’d expect the typical Dr. Dre record to sound like. I don’t think that makes them better records, I just think they have a sound that better caters to G-Funk fans.
Yes, obviously, I know plenty as well (hell I loved Relapse and liked some of Recovery), but what I was saying is that it's not ONLY "old-time" fans and real hip-hop heads that think this shit is trash/childish shit, a lot of people do (ALL ages), and almost everyone "in the know" will tell you this was a HUGE disapointment. I hate when people act as if little fuckin girls are in charge of the direction of hip-hop, just because they're the only one's who will isten to the radio and actually buy an album, its complete bullshit.
Well, I guess this is where we disagree. I liked Recovery way more than Relapse.
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Alright, since I ruffled a few feathers and got some people giddy, time to respond to everyone. Disclaimer: I am NOT taking into consideration Dubcc into this. I'm looking at a broader view than just this board.
bullshit. Dre's new single is #1, not big enough for you?
those two leaked songs were spread fast on the internet, as they were tagged with Detox. but how do you know that these are certified hits? i'm not an expert myself, but when i look at Kush, i doubt that Topless & Shit popped off would do much better ( let alone top I need a doctor :P).
these two leaks got better feedback on dubcc than Dre's newest single. while there are a lot of dre fans on this forum, i doubt that the majority pays for digital downloads.
Eminem could release a track of him taking a shit at a restaurant and it'd be #1 on iTunes.
As far as the leaks go, "Shit Popped Off" would have been a hit. It was used in the Dr. Pepper commercial so the mainstream had an idea about the track. Had it dropped then, it'd have been a hit. Unfortunately Amerie dropped a track with the same sample and killed that idea. T.I. had bigger drawing power when that song leaked (not saying he doesn't now, but his name pulled more casual fans then than he does now). With "Topless", more hip-hop heads would be checking for it because of Nas.
On what basis are you drawing that either one of those tracks was more well-received? I know on West Coast forums, those were the two least-panned Detox leaks but that doesn’t really say anything in regards to the bigger picture.
See above.
Truth be told, they were two of my favorites but I don’t see either one as being “better” than I Need A Doctor. Just more of what you’d expect the typical Dr. Dre record to sound like. I don’t think that makes them better records, I just think they have a sound that better caters to G-Funk fans.
As I've said in this thread, if you're going with a lead single from you're album, don't you think you should lead with a track that either has equal amount of verses (like Kush) or a song where the featured artist only has one verse? This song sounds like something that would appear on an Eminem album. I frankly won't get into the specifics of an Eminem production because I don't want to a) bore myself to sleep mid-post and b) get off topic about the song. But this track point-blank should have been a single for the last Eminem album rather than the first single for Detox. This song should have been the last single off his last album, and have it build that buzz for the first Dre single, which would carry the theme over to Detox.
That song was found as a result of people buying the album based off of "How We Do".
Flat out wrong with that statement. As someone mentioned, it was not only the street single but was getting tons of spins. Hell, Snoop jumped on the song so he could hop aboard the bandwagon.
"Westside Story" was well known before "How We Do" dropped.
Yeah, maybe by people who pay attention to music closely. I think that's where people get it twisted. They view boards like this & assume everybody who listens to rap plays as close attention as we do. Facebook & Twitter have gotten absurdly popular in the last 3-4 years & now people like us just post things to inform people that artists have dropped new matieral.
But back when this album came out, that communication wasn't as big. If people got lucky enough to hear it on the radio, then I guess, but it wasn't played that much on the radio. I didn't even know who Game was until I heard "How We Do" on the radio. I didn't search around the internet for music at the time. Honestly, I remember when I heard it. I turned the radio on during 50's verse & I thought it was a new 50 song lol. That's how the average fan finds out about things, if it's played on the radio.
All I'm saying is, if there was a poll outside of this hardcore rap forum & posted it on like MTV.com & asked; "What was the first Game song you heard? "How We Do", "Hate It or Love It" or "Westside Story"? 90% of the votes would be a combination of "How We Do" & "Hate It or Love It".
To quote Charlie Murphy, "Wrong, WRONG". You're pretending the internet didn't exist back in the prehistoric times of 2004. That song was officially released in September '04. It leaked around the end of August because that's when I started hearing it at Bars and Clubs in the Boston area. On top of that it was played enough on radio stations that it charted. It was a street single, no video was supposed to be made for the track and its purpose was to build a buzz for the album. Obviously it worked since it was all over the radio.
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Eminem got two verses on this track because he sells records and Dre ain't that popular anymore so they need to make sure "Detox" won't flop.
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Do any of you guys realize how mainstream Forgot about Dre sounds?
Just sayin.
Of course they do. What they aren't understanding is that mainstream music in 1999 is basically what's underground in 2011 lol.
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Do any of you guys realize how mainstream Forgot about Dre sounds?
Just sayin.
Of course they do. What they aren't understanding is that mainstream music in 1999 is basically what's underground in 2011 lol.
Agreed, and personally, I think it's a good song. Doesn't have to be a westcoast song, why can't it just be good music? Whatever happened to that?
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Alright, since I ruffled a few feathers and got some people giddy, time to respond to everyone. Disclaimer: I am NOT taking into consideration Dubcc into this. I'm looking at a broader view than just this board.
bullshit. Dre's new single is #1, not big enough for you?
those two leaked songs were spread fast on the internet, as they were tagged with Detox. but how do you know that these are certified hits? i'm not an expert myself, but when i look at Kush, i doubt that Topless & Shit popped off would do much better ( let alone top I need a doctor :P).
these two leaks got better feedback on dubcc than Dre's newest single. while there are a lot of dre fans on this forum, i doubt that the majority pays for digital downloads.
Eminem could release a track of him taking a shit at a restaurant and it'd be #1 on iTunes.
As far as the leaks go, "Shit Popped Off" would have been a hit. It was used in the Dr. Pepper commercial so the mainstream had an idea about the track. Had it dropped then, it'd have been a hit. Unfortunately Amerie dropped a track with the same sample and killed that idea. T.I. had bigger drawing power when that song leaked (not saying he doesn't now, but his name pulled more casual fans then than he does now). With "Topless", more hip-hop heads would be checking for it because of Nas.
so i take it that you agree that the statement about topless & shit popped off having a bigger buzz than Dre's latest single, is silly?
you can't say for certain that Shit popped off would have been a hit.
maybe more 'hip hop heads' would be checking for Topless because of the Nas feature, but would it lead to a hit?
again, you can't say for certain.
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Eminem got two verses on this track because he sells records and Dre ain't that popular anymore so they need to make sure "Detox" won't flop.
I understand that, I understand how it "had" to be a gay pop record, and all that bullshit to "sell records" (although I still don't agree with that). . . but what still COMPLETELY boggles my mind is the whole instrumental end of this. The best producer in the game is not producing on the most anticipated hip-hop album of all time, his own album (at least the singles so far). That to me is really the main problem here. I don't care how soft and poppy the record would be, at least come full circle and produce the fuckin thing yourself, since you know . . . you are Dr. Dre, aren't you?
In the end, you can say it's trash and for kids and this and that, but I think what most are really pissed about in the end is the above.
Also, I had another question for all you: Let's say, Detox does fuckin amazing numbers, is killing the radio and smashes the charts in half . . . then what? Don't you think it's piggy-back time for everyone on Aftermath/Shady/or anyone even affiliated with them (Interscope)? And what about Dre, would he really stick to the fact that this is the end all be all? I mean, if this kills everything as much as it should, wouldn't it be at least somewhat smart to follow it up as much as you can (Another ten year wait)? In the end I think it'll do pretty good (I actually have no clue on how good it'll do to be honest, I guess that all depends on how the singles do, which looks good so far with INAD) and I think they'll try to put out the Slaughterhouse album, another Em album, and maybe something else. I really don't see this being the HUGE opening that everyone once thought it would be. I hope i'm wrong, but I don't think they will feed off of this properly (once again, that all depends on how Detox does, which at one point looked like it was going Diamond in a week, now not so much).
And then there's the West . . . what will happen with the West once Detox is all said and done? Even hip-hop as a whole, what about the entire genre? Maybe i'm digging too deep into this, but if Detox is really the album they've been talking about for the past 10 years, then I am almost as interested in what happens AFTER the album than the actual album itself. I'm actually kind of sick of the speculation and just wanna see this shit unfold. I guess it all pretty much starts on the night of the Grammy's.
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Do any of you guys realize how mainstream Forgot about Dre sounds?
Just sayin.
Of course they do. What they aren't understanding is that mainstream music in 1999 is basically what's underground in 2011 lol.
Agreed, and personally, I think it's a good song. Doesn't have to be a westcoast song, why can't it just be good music? Whatever happened to that?
Ahhhh, finally. The voice of reason. 8)