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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on February 05, 2011, 10:39:31 PM
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-12 Months in a Year... Jesus has 12 disciples
-12 Months in year... 12 tribes of Israel
-On Dec. 25th the 3 brightest stars align with the brightest star, Sirius, point to direction of the sun... The three Kings, who followed the Nothern Star, to the sun of God
For ancient astrologers in the Northern Hemisphere, the shortest day for the sun is Dec. 22nd, where the sun sets at its lowest point for 3 days, then starts again to rise as daytime hours begin to increase.... Jesus crucified and died for three days and ressurected on the 25th of Dec.
-In the spring equinox the daytime hours finally overpower and become longer than nighttime hours.... Easter is celebrated as birth of Christ and Christ overpowers the darkness of the devil
-4300 BC to 2150 BC was the astrological age of Taurus the Bull, the age that follows is the age of Aires the Ram.... Moses was said to have lived just after the age of Taurus the Bull and ironically he blows a rams horn and is angry at folks who still worship the calf (bull)
-1AD marked the beggining of the age of pisces (fish constellation)... Christians put the fish bumpersticker on their cars
-The sun is at the center of the Zodiac... Jesus is at the center of the cross
--Is this all just coincidence?
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Of course. All religions have jacked elements of other religions. It's a known fact that the religions followers don't want to acknowledge.
Judaism borrows elements from Greek mythology, Astrology and Egyptian beliefs. This is all due to trade and port areas where people would share stories.
Christians jacked Judaism and threw Jesus in the mix.
Islam jacked elements of both and threw their little spin on things.
The shits been going on since the beginning.
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Of course. All religions have jacked elements of other religions. It's a known fact that the religions followers don't want to acknowledge.
Judaism borrows elements from Greek mythology, Astrology and Egyptian beliefs. This is all due to trade and port areas where people would share stories.
Christians jacked Judaism and threw Jesus in the mix.
Islam jacked elements of both and threw their little spin on things.
The shits been going on since the beginning.
They jacked genesis from 1 sumerian story. They just made the creator in that story the enemy and put a man in it's place.
Jesus didn't die on his birthday, it was somewhere in april I believe. I thank jesus for this, I still get the day off on the aniversary of his birthday, death, resurrection & his going to heaven again.
You're over thinking this like it's a snoop dogg line.
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http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
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Forgive me but isn't the only major difference between the Quran and the Bible the essence of Jesus and the addition of Muhammed? I don't know, I'm just asking. All these dates and times of Jesus and Moses being born and doing whatever, are they different according to the Quran? Was Moses not born in the same age in Quran as he was Bible? Wasn't Jesus? Is the story of Adam and Eve drastically different in any of the three religions?
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And 2pac's alive.
What happened to that website that outlined all the 'coincidences'?
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Forgive me but isn't the only major difference between the Quran and the Bible the essence of Jesus and the addition of Muhammed? I don't know, I'm just asking. All these dates and times of Jesus and Moses being born and doing whatever, are they different according to the Quran? Was Moses not born in the same age in Quran as he was Bible? Wasn't Jesus? Is the story of Adam and Eve drastically different in any of the three religions?
I see your point because a lot of the stories about figures such as Moses for example exist in both the Bible and Qu'ran and I think both can be said to have roots in astrology.
These days I think if you've been reading my posts you know I'm really a Libertarian (individualist) first, before I'm a Muslim or anything else.
But still Islam is a monthestic religion which means it centers around a believe in God (the Creator), whereas Christianity centers around a believe in Christ and I was just pointing out the relationship between the Sun in our solar system in astrology's zodiac calender, and the "Sun of God".
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http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
I been tryin to check this movies out and forgot all about them. I'ma make it a Blockbuster night, tonight.
+1 for the link
-1 for scaring off neimanmarcus9. I'm still upset about that one.
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Forgive me but isn't the only major difference between the Quran and the Bible the essence of Jesus and the addition of Muhammed? I don't know, I'm just asking. All these dates and times of Jesus and Moses being born and doing whatever, are they different according to the Quran? Was Moses not born in the same age in Quran as he was Bible? Wasn't Jesus? Is the story of Adam and Eve drastically different in any of the three religions?
I see your point because a lot of the stories about figures such as Moses for example exist in both the Bible and Qu'ran and I think both can be said to have roots in astrology.
These days I think if you've been reading my posts you know I'm really a Libertarian (individualist) first, before I'm a Muslim or anything else.
But still Islam is a monthestic religion which means it centers around a believe in God (the Creator), whereas Creationity centers around a believe in Christ and I was just pointing out the relationship between the Sun in our solar system in astrology's zodiac calender, and the "Sun of God".
I wasn't calling you out. My point made in general was that Christianity gets all the stones thrown at it for having things in it that both Judaism and Islam have. No one tells a Jew in the media that they are crazy for believing in the Torah, but a Christian who believes in the Old Testament is. It's the same fucking book.
And the "Sun of God" simply doesn't make any sense to me. Sun and son can be confused in modern English, but in te languages that were predominant in the early Christian eras; Latin, Greek, Hebrew, etc, there is no confusing the two words. They are completely different in the way they are said, spoken, and written. It's harder to explain if you don't know another language. But it's like in English that "red" and "read" could by confused with out context. His book was "insert either word" and it makes sense, and you'd have to ask whether you want to say what color it is or what was done with it. But in Greek the word for red is pronounced kokeenoh, and the word for read is pronounced thiavasah. There simple is no way anyone could confused the what was meant.
Same with the Son. It is very clear in Greek texts that Jesus is the son of God, and the sun has no mention. And unless the early Christians were psychic and knew that English would be created and become the main language in 2000 years and did it on purpose, it makes no sense to think the two words had been intertwined, because in no language back then do they even sound the same.
In the Old texts son looks like υιός and sun looks like ήλιος. Each world would be said sun; yose, and sun; helios. Not possible to confuse. Sorry, but as far as that doc goes with regards to this argument there is no case. It holds no water.
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I wasn't calling you out. My point made in general was that Christianity gets all the stones thrown at it for having things in it that both Judaism and Islam have. No one tells a Jew in the media that they are crazy for believing in the Torah, but a Christian who believes in the Old Testament is. It's the same fucking book.
And the "Sun of God" simply doesn't make any sense to me. Sun and son can be confused in modern English, but in te languages that were predominant in the early Christian eras; Latin, Greek, Hebrew, etc, there is no confusing the two words. They are completely different in the way they are said, spoken, and written. It's harder to explain if you don't know another language. But it's like in English that "red" and "read" could by confused with out context. His book was "insert either word" and it makes sense, and you'd have to ask whether you want to say what color it is or what was done with it. But in Greek the word for red is pronounced kokeenoh, and the word for read is pronounced thiavasah. There simple is no way anyone could confused the what was meant.
Same with the Son. It is very clear in Greek texts that Jesus is the son of God, and the sun has no mention. And unless the early Christians were psychic and knew that English would be created and become the main language in 2000 years and did it on purpose, it makes no sense to think the two words had been intertwined, because in no language back then do they even sound the same.
In the Old texts son looks like υιός and sun looks like ήλιος. Each world would be said sun; yose, and sun; helios. Not possible to confuse. Sorry, but as far as that doc goes with regards to this argument there is no case. It holds no water.
Your putting too much emphasis on this "Sun"/"Son" semantic, but if you look at my original post, I didn't even use that argument. And yeah, your right about people unfairly singling out Christians, the reason I chose to single them out was because they are the dominant religion in America, and also because Jesus is the central figure in Christianity and there are many astrological roots that can be found in his story.
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Your putting too much emphasis on this "Sun"/"Son" semantic, but if you look at my original post, I didn't even use that argument. And yeah, your right about people unfairly singling out Christians, the reason I chose to single them out was because they are the dominant religion in America, and also because Jesus is the central figure in Christianity and there are many astrological roots that can be found in his story.
Hey bro, we're cool. You know that. I was just building off your post to express my general opinions with regards to the topic. The sun/son argument is big deal in the doc and a major point with a lot of people and I just wanted to refute it for anyone that was reading. Wasn't at all trying to get into it with you.
And I'm not even saying the Astrology is factor is bogus. The sun/son thing could be legit. Who would know that one day the world would be able to confuse both of them as the same thing? Who would know that the age of the fish would come and the fish would be Jesus's symbol? who know...? God would know. From a spiritual standpoint, God creates and controls the stars and studying them could be a way of figuring out God's plans and the Jesus coincidences may not be coincidences but simply realities created by God on purpose.
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http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
I been tryin to check this movies out and forgot all about them. I'ma make it a Blockbuster night, tonight.
+1 for the link
-1 for scaring off neimanmarcus9. I'm still upset about that one.
yeah, I think its best to start with Zeitgeist the Movie first (2007). Shit is pretty crazy
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http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
I been tryin to check this movies out and forgot all about them. I'ma make it a Blockbuster night, tonight.
+1 for the link
-1 for scaring off neimanmarcus9. I'm still upset about that one.
Oh yeah, and believe me...u will be thanking me later on the neimanmarcus shit.
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Since the Sun is the source of all life on Earth, maybe all those people that worshiped the Sun were on to something.
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http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
I been tryin to check this movies out and forgot all about them. I'ma make it a Blockbuster night, tonight.
+1 for the link
-1 for scaring off neimanmarcus9. I'm still upset about that one.
yeah, I think its best to start with Zeitgeist the Movie first (2007). Shit is pretty crazy
Watched the first one last night. I knew about the majority of the subject matter, but just having it all put together in one movie was crazy shit. I'm gonna end up paranoid now.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
I been tryin to check this movies out and forgot all about them. I'ma make it a Blockbuster night, tonight.
+1 for the link
-1 for scaring off neimanmarcus9. I'm still upset about that one.
Oh yeah, and believe me...u will be thanking me later on the neimanmarcus shit.
Cockblocker.
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lmao, Zeitgeist? Yankees are truely the dumbest people in the world.
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http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
I been tryin to check this movies out and forgot all about them. I'ma make it a Blockbuster night, tonight.
+1 for the link
-1 for scaring off neimanmarcus9. I'm still upset about that one.
yeah, I think its best to start with Zeitgeist the Movie first (2007). Shit is pretty crazy
Watched the first one last night. I knew about the majority of the subject matter, but just having it all put together in one movie was crazy shit. I'm gonna end up paranoid now.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
I been tryin to check this movies out and forgot all about them. I'ma make it a Blockbuster night, tonight.
+1 for the link
-1 for scaring off neimanmarcus9. I'm still upset about that one.
Oh yeah, and believe me...u will be thanking me later on the neimanmarcus shit.
Cockblocker.
Yours or hers?
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I don't know why I didn't post this before but Christianity was forced onto allot of people back in the day which resulted in some pagan rituals blending in with the Christian story.
There were also translation fuck ups, some even on purpose. For example there were no apples in ancient Summeria, some dude just changed it to apple when he translated the bible into latin because in latin the word for apple and evil are the same, he probably thought it would be rather clever.
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I don't know why I didn't post this before but Christianity was forced onto allot of people back in the day which resulted in some pagan rituals blending in with the Christian story.
There were also translation fuck ups, some even on purpose. For example there were no apples in ancient Summeria, some dude just changed it to apple when he translated the bible into latin because in latin the word for apple and evil are the same, he probably thought it would be rather clever.
The word fruit is used a lot, but I've never read a translation that use the world apple.
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The months of the years the world uses today.... are pagan. Chocolate and wine.... be pagan. Donating money.... pagan. Birthdays.... pagan. Poetry.. oh snap, that means rap music.... pagan. English language origin..... pagan . My God. The fuckin' world's pagan! :o
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The months of the years the world uses today.... are pagan. Chocolate and wine.... be pagan. Donating money.... pagan. Birthdays.... pagan. Poetry.. oh snap, that means rap music.... pagan. English language origin..... pagan . My God. The fuckin' world's pagan! :o
It would be if the early Christians were peaceful and simply allowed other cultures to exist and worship as they pleased, rather than destroy, deny, and rewrite the history of the world. Shit, why do you think that you as a black man are christian? That would of never happened if your ancestors weren't tortured and converted by force.
A strong black Christian is the biggest joke of a stereotype in America.
Watch Malcolm X.
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The months of the years the world uses today.... are pagan. Chocolate and wine.... be pagan. Donating money.... pagan. Birthdays.... pagan. Poetry.. oh snap, that means rap music.... pagan. English language origin..... pagan . My God. The fuckin' world's pagan! :o
It would be if the early Christians were peaceful and simply allowed other cultures to exist and worship as they pleased, rather than destroy, deny, and rewrite the history of the world. Shit, why do you think that you as a black man are christian? That would of never happened if your ancestors weren't tortured and converted by force.
A strong black Christian is the biggest joke of a stereotype in America.
Watch Malcolm X.
It's 2011 though.
I got the Torah and Judaism. The Bible and Christianity. The Quran and Islam. Or Agnosticism. Atheism. Buddhism. The Bahá'í Faith. Hinduism. I got it all in front of me, wit a click of a mouse. And becuz of the freedom America offers me, I am allowed to choose any belief I want and it's even protected, promised by The Constitution. I feel Christianity is the Truth. I ain't saying it's right. Maybe Muhammad was really visited by Gabriel. Maybe Bab was the Mahdi. Maybe Buddha was onto somethang. Maybe Moses was a fuckin' liar and we've all been hoaxed. :( Malcolm X, NOI and The 5 Percent Nation is just an agenda-ized culture anyways, and you know that Bananas. ;D
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The months of the years the world uses today.... are pagan. Chocolate and wine.... be pagan. Donating money.... pagan. Birthdays.... pagan. Poetry.. oh snap, that means rap music.... pagan. English language origin..... pagan . My God. The fuckin' world's pagan! :o
It would be if the early Christians were peaceful and simply allowed other cultures to exist and worship as they pleased, rather than destroy, deny, and rewrite the history of the world. Shit, why do you think that you as a black man are christian? That would of never happened if your ancestors weren't tortured and converted by force.
A strong black Christian is the biggest joke of a stereotype in America.
Watch Malcolm X.
It's 2011 though.
I got the Torah and Judaism. The Bible and Christianity. The Quran and Islam. Or Agnosticism. Atheism. Buddhism. The Bahá'í Faith. Hinduism. I got it all in front of me, wit a click of a mouse. And becuz of the freedom America offers me, I am allowed to choose any belief I want and it's even protected, promised by The Constitution. I feel Christianity is the Truth. I ain't saying it's right. Maybe Muhammad was really visited by Gabriel. Maybe Bab was the Mahdi. Maybe Buddha was onto somethang. Maybe Moses was a fuckin' liar and we've all been hoaxed. :( Malcolm X, NOI and The 5 Percent Nation is just an agenda-ized culture anyways, and you know that Bananas. ;D
Absolutely, thats a great observation too. I still despise the NOI and splinter groups, however the framework they used for getting young blacks to wake up from one religious spell was powerful, unfortunately it was used to cast onto them another.
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The months of the years the world uses today.... are pagan. Chocolate and wine.... be pagan. Donating money.... pagan. Birthdays.... pagan. Poetry.. oh snap, that means rap music.... pagan. English language origin..... pagan . My God. The fuckin' world's pagan! :o
It would be if the early Christians were peaceful and simply allowed other cultures to exist and worship as they pleased, rather than destroy, deny, and rewrite the history of the world. Shit, why do you think that you as a black man are christian? That would of never happened if your ancestors weren't tortured and converted by force.
A strong black Christian is the biggest joke of a stereotype in America.
Watch Malcolm X.
It's 2011 though.
I got the Torah and Judaism. The Bible and Christianity. The Quran and Islam. Or Agnosticism. Atheism. Buddhism. The Bahá'í Faith. Hinduism. I got it all in front of me, wit a click of a mouse. And becuz of the freedom America offers me, I am allowed to choose any belief I want and it's even protected, promised by The Constitution. I feel Christianity is the Truth. I ain't saying it's right. Maybe Muhammad was really visited by Gabriel. Maybe Bab was the Mahdi. Maybe Buddha was onto somethang. Maybe Moses was a fuckin' liar and we've all been hoaxed. :( Malcolm X, NOI and The 5 Percent Nation is just an agenda-ized culture anyways, and you know that Bananas. ;D
Absolutely, thats a great observation too. I still despise the NOI and splinter groups, however the framework they used for getting young blacks to wake up from one religious spell was powerful, unfortunately it was used to cast onto them another.
I'm wit you. I think Farrakhan says the REALEST most important shit that should be heard.. for all races and people, BUT.. than he'll start rambling on bout Elijah Muhammad and other dumb shit. It's too bad, cuz his speeches are so true. See, had he not been into the lil reverse racism and shit, son could prolly be one of the most liked figures in America. Right? But the funniest shit is this nigga got dudes mean muggin' in bow ties. I mean.. fuckin' come on, really? Who they supposed to be scaring? :-\
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The months of the years the world uses today.... are pagan. Chocolate and wine.... be pagan. Donating money.... pagan. Birthdays.... pagan. Poetry.. oh snap, that means rap music.... pagan. English language origin..... pagan . My God. The fuckin' world's pagan! :o
It would be if the early Christians were peaceful and simply allowed other cultures to exist and worship as they pleased, rather than destroy, deny, and rewrite the history of the world. Shit, why do you think that you as a black man are christian? That would of never happened if your ancestors weren't tortured and converted by force.
A strong black Christian is the biggest joke of a stereotype in America.
Watch Malcolm X.
It's 2011 though.
I got the Torah and Judaism. The Bible and Christianity. The Quran and Islam. Or Agnosticism. Atheism. Buddhism. The Bahá'í Faith. Hinduism. I got it all in front of me, wit a click of a mouse. And becuz of the freedom America offers me, I am allowed to choose any belief I want and it's even protected, promised by The Constitution. I feel Christianity is the Truth. I ain't saying it's right. Maybe Muhammad was really visited by Gabriel. Maybe Bab was the Mahdi. Maybe Buddha was onto somethang. Maybe Moses was a fuckin' liar and we've all been hoaxed. :( Malcolm X, NOI and The 5 Percent Nation is just an agenda-ized culture anyways, and you know that Bananas. ;D
Absolutely, thats a great observation too. I still despise the NOI and splinter groups, however the framework they used for getting young blacks to wake up from one religious spell was powerful, unfortunately it was used to cast onto them another.
I'm wit you. I think Farrakhan says the REALEST most important shit that should be heard.. for all races and people, BUT.. than he'll start rambling on bout Elijah Muhammad and other dumb shit. It's too bad, cuz his speeches are so true. See, had he not been into the lil reverse racism and shit, son could prolly be one of the most liked figures in America. Right? But the funniest shit is this nigga got dudes mean muggin' in bow ties. I mean.. fuckin' come on, really? Who they supposed to be scaring? :-\
You will still catch those motherfuckers in 2011 claiming the evils of pork when nowadays it is one of the cleanest meats available.
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-12 Months in a Year... Jesus has 12 disciples
You can trace a million things to the # 12. You fail to show any significance. If the number 12 is the only thing you are going by, trace Christianity to magnesium (atomic number 12), a clock (12 numbers), flag of Europe (12 stars), human ribs (12 pairs), a foot (12 inches), etc. You can connect anything simply by assigning it a number then holding it to significance.
-12 Months in year... 12 tribes of Israel
Both the 12 months and 12 tribes predate Jesus. Plus the 12 tribes of Israel aren't even important in Christianity.
-On Dec. 25th the 3 brightest stars align with the brightest star, Sirius, point to direction of the sun... The three Kings, who followed the Nothern Star, to the sun of God
The date of Christmas is easily traced to paganism.
For ancient astrologers in the Northern Hemisphere, the shortest day for the sun is Dec. 22nd, where the sun sets at its lowest point for 3 days, then starts again to rise as daytime hours begin to increase.... Jesus crucified and died for three days and ressurected on the 25th of Dec.
Where did you get the idea that Jesus was resurrected on the 25 of December? :stupid:
-In the spring equinox the daytime hours finally overpower and become longer than nighttime hours.... Easter is celebrated as birth of Christ and Christ overpowers the darkness of the devil
"Easter is celebrated as birth of Christ and Christ overpowers the darkness of the devil" is simply your own interpretation/means of explanation.
-4300 BC to 2150 BC was the astrological age of Taurus the Bull, the age that follows is the age of Aires the Ram.... Moses was said to have lived just after the age of Taurus the Bull and ironically he blows a rams horn and is angry at folks who still worship the calf (bull)
Aside from being a biblical figure, what does this really have to do with any of the teachings of Christianity.
-1AD marked the beggining of the age of pisces (fish constellation)... Christians put the fish bumpersticker on their cars
Fish are mentioned throughout the Gospels:
-Jesus multiplies fish and loaves of bread to feed many people. <---I'm sure you can see why people find this significant.
-Jesus told his disciples "I will make you fishers of men".
-The sun is at the center of the Zodiac... Jesus is at the center of the cross
Crucifixion was used by the Romans as a form of punishment. The fact that Christ (or thousands of other people who have been crucified) are at the center is irrelevant. Where else on a cross is someone suppose to be put?
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-12 Months in a Year... Jesus has 12 disciples
You can trace a million things to the # 12. You fail to show any significance. If the number 12 is the only thing you are going by, trace Christianity to magnesium (atomic number 12), a clock (12 numbers), flag of Europe (12 stars), human ribs (12 pairs), a foot (12 inches), etc. You can connect anything simply by assigning it a number then holding it to significance.
-12 Months in year... 12 tribes of Israel
Both the 12 months and 12 tribes predate Jesus. Plus the 12 tribes of Israel aren't even important in Christianity.
-On Dec. 25th the 3 brightest stars align with the brightest star, Sirius, point to direction of the sun... The three Kings, who followed the Nothern Star, to the sun of God
The date of Christmas is easily traced to paganism.
For ancient astrologers in the Northern Hemisphere, the shortest day for the sun is Dec. 22nd, where the sun sets at its lowest point for 3 days, then starts again to rise as daytime hours begin to increase.... Jesus crucified and died for three days and ressurected on the 25th of Dec.
Where did you get the idea that Jesus was resurrected on the 25 of December? :stupid:
-In the spring equinox the daytime hours finally overpower and become longer than nighttime hours.... Easter is celebrated as birth of Christ and Christ overpowers the darkness of the devil
"Easter is celebrated as birth of Christ and Christ overpowers the darkness of the devil" is simply your own interpretation/means of explanation.
-4300 BC to 2150 BC was the astrological age of Taurus the Bull, the age that follows is the age of Aires the Ram.... Moses was said to have lived just after the age of Taurus the Bull and ironically he blows a rams horn and is angry at folks who still worship the calf (bull)
Aside from being a biblical figure, what does this really have to do with any of the teachings of Christianity.
-1AD marked the beggining of the age of pisces (fish constellation)... Christians put the fish bumpersticker on their cars
Fish are mentioned throughout the Gospels:
-Jesus multiplies fish and loaves of bread to feed many people. <---I'm sure you can see why people find this significant.
-Jesus told his disciples "I will make you fishers of men".
-The sun is at the center of the Zodiac... Jesus is at the center of the cross
Crucifixion was used by the Romans as a form of punishment. The fact that Christ (or thousands of other people who have been crucified) are at the center is irrelevant. Where else on a cross is someone suppose to be put?
Atleast one sane person here. These 'connections' are completely arbitrary and crude. It's always the same routine. If you want to connect x with y you'll always find some numbers etc that somehow match, you only have to search long enough. Infinite is probably one of those brainiacs who believed in those 2Pac-Resurrection theories.
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Btw...Christianity, just like many other religions are all just plagiarized versions of the Ancient Egyptians religion worshipping the Sun. There are so many religions who's messiahs all fit the same description. Everything from the day they were supposedly born, to their supposed resurrection, etc...etc. All of them are just these particular religions personification of the Sun. Not gonna type up everything here. But there is a reason they are all born on the same day, typically have 12 disciples or followers, the 3 day ressurection, etc. All of those aspects of the storyline are just symbolism for different astronimical events. When you worship Jesus, you are just worshipping the Sun personified.
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Btw...Christianity, just like many other religions are all just plagiarized versions of the Ancient Egyptians religion worshipping the Sun. There are so many religions who's messiahs all fit the same description. Everything from the day they were supposedly born, to their supposed resurrection, etc...etc. All of them are just these particular religions personification of the Sun. Not gonna type up everything here. But there is a reason they are all born on the same day, typically have 12 disciples or followers, the 3 day ressurection, etc. All of those aspects of the storyline are just symbolism for different astronimical events. When you worship Jesus, you are just worshipping the Sun personified.
It doesn't really disprove anything to say it was worshipped the same way before, because if Jesus, God, and the prophecy are real then ancient civilizations would have had prophets telling everyone what was coming, and Kings or men in power could have used prophecy to mold their own religions for the people.
What I mean is if I am a Pharaoh and a man comes to me that can see the future and perform miracles I'd ask him everything about everything and he'd tell me who God is and how he will enter the Earth. Then I'd kill him or jail him and take his story, and proclaim myself a living God, so that no one in Egypt thinks this Messiah is stronger than me, the Pharaoh. It makes more sense than a bunch of Christians getting together in 300 AD assuming that in 1500 years the world will speak a language called English that will have the word for male offspring and the word for that big yellow thing in the sky sound exactly the same, and if we take this old Egyptian religion for that yellow thing apply it to the male offspring of the creator we can control everyone.
If you actually speak to religious leaders with in any religion you'd realize how smart and about their wits they really are. They may not be right, but they're not stupid enough to try and pull that bogus wool over anyone's eyes. Faith existed in a genius like Isaac Newton's mind for a reason, and it wasn't because he wasn't smart enough to accept he was wrong. Men of Faith simply feel something that men with out faith don't. Intelligence has nothing to do with it.
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Common sense and belief don't really go well together. Whether its a religious standpoint or not.
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and I just look and read.
There is clearly a disconnect. See here is the thing. Is there a God, I believe yes, I have felt him and seen his works. Can I prove it, unless you've walked in my shoes and seen what I've seen, no. Okay now that we got that out the way, lets get some clarifying about religion, because people seem to get religion and the existence of God confused.
Lets break it down, in further detail.
-12 Months in a Year... Jesus has 12 disciples
Actually, back then they had the Julian calender, which was reformed from the Roman calender. The Roman calender was 10 months long and based off the moon. But Julius Cesar expanded it to 12 had it based off travel around the sun, making it more accurate.
-12 Months in year... 12 tribes of Israel
again, months came from the Roman calender, which actually came from the Greek calender, and went off moon cycles, which is 28-30 days between new moons. That's all.
-On Dec. 25th the 3 brightest stars align with the brightest star, Sirius, point to direction of the sun... The three Kings, who followed the Nothern Star, to the sun of God
From the holiday celebrating the feast of Saturn, the Roman god of time. Saturn's feast celebrated the new year, which was the beginning of the calender. The holiday was Dec. 25, which was according to the old Julian calender, the winter solstice, the shortest day of the year. From then, that would mark of the new year, as the days grew longer from that day. Over time, they rearranged the calender and Christmas stayed on December 25, the winter solstice moved to December 21.
For ancient astrologers in the Northern Hemisphere, the shortest day for the sun is Dec. 22nd, where the sun sets at its lowest point for 3 days, then starts again to rise as daytime hours begin to increase.... Jesus crucified and died for three days and ressurected on the 25th of Dec.
Most historians believe Christ was crucified in April, or at least the spring. Also he was born around the spring, so Dec. 25th is more than likely not his birthday.
-In the spring equinox the daytime hours finally overpower and become longer than nighttime hours.... Easter is celebrated as birth of Christ and Christ overpowers the darkness of the devil
Again, more of the Roman's just plugging Christian holidays in place of their traditional celebrations. It made sense to the Romans.
-4300 BC to 2150 BC was the astrological age of Taurus the Bull, the age that follows is the age of Aires the Ram.... Moses was said to have lived just after the age of Taurus the Bull and ironically he blows a rams horn and is angry at folks who still worship the calf (bull)
Never thought of it... interesting
-1AD marked the beggining of the age of pisces (fish constellation)... Christians put the fish bumpersticker on their cars
LMAO... it's because ancient Christians used the fish as their symbol. It actually stands for something in Hebrew, not sure what. But it was used to show they were the fish that Jesus had caught.
-The sun is at the center of the Zodiac... Jesus is at the center of the cross
Jesus was the center of the cross because that was how Roman's punished criminals back then. Many, many people were crucified. Jesus was the one who's followers took it though and made a movement.
--Is this all just coincidence?
Not really, the Romans had it all set up, when they converted to Christianity, it all feel into place.
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but the creator doesn't have an all powerful being.
Stalagmites are the result of dripping water, so water is the creator.
Why can't our society be the result of a similar natural process?
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--Is this all just coincidence?
Not really, the Romans had it all set up, when they converted to Christianity, it all feel into place.
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