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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Dre-Day on February 11, 2011, 04:24:23 AM
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i voted for Relapse. Recovery doesn't have the accent, but the production falls short for the most part imo.
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Very hard to choose. I'm a Fan of Dre and the Dre production on Relapse is dope ! But on the other hand, Recovery is a lot easier to listen to (without the accent) and equally has has dope songs like Love The Way You Lie. Naw i'm just kidding :P but 25 to life is dope, so is Talkin 2 Myself, No Love and So bad. But I gotta choose Crazy Dre production over a few good tracks so... Relapse.
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Bouth albums got dope ass cuts. hard to decide.
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Recovery, easily.
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Beats= Relapse
Lyrically= Recovery
Replay value= Recovery
IMO. If I had to pick I would say Recovery for now. ;D
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i voted for Relapse. Recovery doesn't have the accent, but the production falls short for the most part imo.
I could not get past the accents, so I voted Recovery. The production on Relapse is on another level though.
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Space Bound, 25 To Life & Ridaz are the three best songs combined of both CDs; however Relapse was the better album.
People didn't like the accent. I got over that fast; couldn't really do the same for the screaming. The production on Relapse was FAR superior. & just lyrically, even though on Relapse he's got a few "wtf" songs, his corny metaphor/punchlines on Recovery was sickening.
Both are his two worst albums, but I fucked with Relapse & Recovery got real old after a few listens.
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Recovery for replay value alone,
Don't sleep http://www.MicLordz.com
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i voted for Relapse. Recovery doesn't have the accent, but the production falls short for the most part imo.
I could not get past the accents, so I voted Recovery. The production on Relapse is on another level though.
fair enough.
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i voted for Relapse. Recovery doesn't have the accent, but the production falls short for the most part imo.
It is these two very reasons that keep me from being able to make up my mind on which album I like more. Would love to have gotten to hear what "Relapse 2" was going to sound like though. I think Em is way too hard on "Relapse." He should have gone ahead and released the second one.
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Easily Relapse. I still listen to that album a lot. The thing I like most about it is that it's a cohesive album rather than just a collection of songs. The album has a certain feel to it. And while I might not always be in the mood to listen to it, when I am it's perfect.
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People didn't like the accent. I got over that fast; couldn't really do the same for the screaming. The production on Relapse was FAR superior. & just lyrically, even though on Relapse he's got a few "wtf" songs, his corny metaphor/punchlines on Recovery was sickening.
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I think with the production, direction and content of Relapse, mixed with the lyrics/flow, promotion and "mainstream value" of Recovery, we could have had Em's best album to date. Unfortunately that wouldn't really have been possible considering the extreme differences between each.
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So you guys still listen to new Eminem albums? :o
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Tell me Eminem's flow on Relapse wasn't incredible. Like not every line was there, but as far as pure flowing goes, it was ridiculously impressive.
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i voted for Relapse. Recovery doesn't have the accent, but the production falls short for the most part imo.
I could not get past the accents, so I voted Recovery. The production on Relapse is on another level though.
fair enough.
its close, the yelling gets to me after a while too. So Bad is so good though 8)
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i voted for Relapse. Recovery doesn't have the accent, but the production falls short for the most part imo.
I could not get past the accents, so I voted Recovery. The production on Relapse is on another level though.
fair enough.
its close, the yelling gets to me after a while too. So Bad is so good though 8)
The thing with "So Bad" is that it's more of a leftover for Relapse. It fits that album theme & style more then Recovery, in my opinion.
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I would've never thought I'd hate anything more than the accent at the time Relapse dropped, but as much as I hate it, the yelling on Recovery is worse. :'( :'( :'(
Relapse is an underrated album, it's like a horror flick in audio format, with good production. Recovery has too many corny songs. :-\
Relapse all the way. 8)
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I really like Recovery. I think Relapse as a solo effort felt forced. It's too bad because I think it was the first time that Em really didn't make classics out of Dre's production and it was at a time when Dre really probably could have used the good word.
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i voted for Relapse. Recovery doesn't have the accent, but the production falls short for the most part imo.
It is these two very reasons that keep me from being able to make up my mind on which album I like more. Would love to have gotten to hear what "Relapse 2" was going to sound like though. I think Em is way too hard on "Relapse." He should have gone ahead and released the second one.
Refill is basically a shorter version of Relapse 2.
i voted for Relapse. Recovery doesn't have the accent, but the production falls short for the most part imo.
I could not get past the accents, so I voted Recovery. The production on Relapse is on another level though.
fair enough.
its close, the yelling gets to me after a while too. So Bad is so good though 8)
i love that beat 8)
The thing with "So Bad" is that it's more of a leftover for Relapse. It fits that album theme & style more then Recovery, in my opinion.
as far as the content, i disagree.
the sound is a little different tooTell me Eminem's flow on Relapse wasn't incredible. Like not every line was there, but as far as pure flowing goes, it was ridiculously impressive.
exactly
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I voted for" Relapse".
The production almost (apart "Beautiful") done by Dre, he gave the album a dark atmosphere and especially: one concept from beginning to end. Maybe you have this fuckin' weird accent on some tracks but i just need to take a listen to "Same Song & Dance", "Underground" or "Deja Vu" and that's better than any shit on "Relapse". The album production remembered me the good times of Aftermath, when they we were able to build a constructive album.
"Recovery" had more producers but it was definitely worse. I was expecting good shit from Khalil and Blaze and tbh it was not really that hot... Eminem's yelling really makes me tired, he's happy to feel better ? Fuck it... it seems without drugs he can't rap anymore or good like before.
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Annoying accents >> constant shouting
I always really liked Relapse despite the annoying accents (which aren't that annoying on all tracks). It's a seriously creative album and Eminem flows his ass off on it. I think it's quite inspiring to listen to. The beats are mostly flawless too.
Recovery has a few hot joints, but is overlong and the constant shouting just becomes unbearable after a while.
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^I feel it goes on beyond the shouting too; it's just the album as a whole.
If you listen to any other Eminem album, he has some sort of variety on his albums. Like on The Eminem Show he talks about everything. On Recovery he basically has one topic, "I was on drugs, but now I'm not & I'm better". Just about every single song besides "Space Bound", "25 To Life", "No Love" & the Proof track preached that message. He was beating it to death. Then the songs he attempted to just flow on & talk about nothing, "Won't Back Down", "W.T.P." & "On Fire" (kinda liked that one), he really just talked about nothing & wasn't even creative with his shit. Then the beats, blahhhh. The singing wasn't terrible to me. It wasn't good singing, but it didn't ruin any songs for me. Just overall, not good lol.
I actually noticed this listening to his old material recently. If you listen to just about ANY Eminem verse from years ago, his verses ALWAYS flowed & had a point to them & almost told a story. They had a purpose to them. Then you listen to Recovery & he preaches that "I'm clean" message, but all his other lines around that are just filler lines about nothing. Some corny punchline that's so irrelevant.
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I actually noticed this listening to his old material recently. If you listen to just about ANY Eminem verse from years ago, his verses ALWAYS flowed & had a point to them & almost told a story.
True! I just listened to most of The Slim Shady LP today. That shit is classic. Those Bass Brothers beats are really underrated. Sure they don't bang like a Dre beat, but I really like the atmosphere and rawness of them and they really suited the early Eminem. It made me remember why I used to be such a big Eminem fan back in the day. Infact, I'm still an Eminem fan, I just don't like most of his recent stuff, I can't stand the constant shouting and I have had to up to here with "Love The Way You Lie".
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I actually noticed this listening to his old material recently. If you listen to just about ANY Eminem verse from years ago, his verses ALWAYS flowed & had a point to them & almost told a story.
True! I just listened to most of The Slim Shady LP today. That shit is classic. Those Bass Brothers beats are really underrated. Sure they don't bang like a Dre beat, but I really like the atmosphere and rawness of them and they really suited the early Eminem. It made me remember why I used to be such a big Eminem fan back in the day. Infact, I'm still an Eminem fan, I just don't like most of his recent stuff, I can't stand the constant shouting and I have had to up to here with "Love The Way You Lie".
Yeah, his first three albums are almost untouchable (not counting Infinite); I find myself bumping them a lot more now since he disappointed me lol & you really hear how great he was.
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stan
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Voted Relapse. Listened to it today for the first time in months. I like it better now than i did when it just got released. The production shits allover recovery, and his flow is incredible. The accent doesnt actually bother me to much but i think thats just because theshouting is so annoying.
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Both albums have 'skip tracks'. And both have some pearls. Relapse got something from the old Em/Slim Shady, his old style, that im a fan of. And Recovery have some dope tracks. I can't decide actually. They are't the same, but i have to rate them both same way.
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Recovery, easily.
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i wonder if/when he performs songs that have accents on the studio version, he will use the accent
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i wonder if/when he performs songs that have accents on the studio version, he will use the accent
thats a good question, I haven't seen him perform any of those tracks
my guess is yeah he will use the accents even though he ran them to the ground :D
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When he did Crack a Bottle and We Made You at award shows he did the accent.
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He has to use the accent for those songs. They play the recording of it along with him rapping it. He has to match it in a way.
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A lot of that shit doesn't rhyme without the accents, so I guess he has to do them.
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When he did Crack a Bottle and We Made You at award shows he did the accent.
crack a bottle doesn't have an accent?
i wonder if/when he performs songs that have accents on the studio version, he will use the accent
thats a good question, I haven't seen him perform any of those tracks
my guess is yeah he will use the accents even though he ran them to the ground :D
He has to use the accent for those songs. They play the recording of it along with him rapping it. He has to match it in a way.
yeah, good point.
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When he performed it live he def put on an accent.
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When he performed it live he def put on an accent.
ok, strange that he chose to rap with accent for this song
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When he performed it live he def put on an accent.
ok, strange that he chose to rap with accent for this song
I might be jst imagining it but it sounded like an accent to me i'll try and find the vid.
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Voted for relapse. damn that album was dark and underground sound. sshit knocking.
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Are we talking about in the past? Because I'm 1,000 percent sure that he won't be performing anything off of Relapse ever lol. Recovery will be performed by him until he makes another one lol.
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Im talking about in the past. Would like em to go on tour again last time he was supposed to come over here it was when he was going through all the shit and it was canned.
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Im talking about in the past. Would like em to go on tour again last time he was supposed to come over here it was when he was going through all the shit and it was canned.
Oh. My friend went to the show he did at Yankee Stadium & all he did was "Crack A Bottle" off of Relapse out of like 30 songs. He generally does a similar set at all his shows; so he probably never does Relapse.
He performed "Crack A Bottle" at the Grammy's last year & he didn't really have an accent.
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who cares the accent grew on me.
he used it only on songs that were light hearted imo it wasnt the big deal half yall honkies make it out to be.
relapse was a dark sinister record when i hear em diss that album it makes me think hes still doing drugs.
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^Na, I bet Eminem doesn't really think that. It's just marketing. Trying to make people believe that this (Recovery) is better then that (Relapse) & since his fans love almost anything he puts out, it makes it seem that much better than he can diss his own shit after they loved it.
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^Na, I bet Eminem doesn't really think that. It's just marketing. Trying to make people believe that this (Recovery) is better then that (Relapse) & since his fans love almost anything he puts out, it makes it seem that much better than he can diss his own shit after they loved it.
I honestly think Eminem doesn't like Relapse, he doesn't have to resort to marketing ploys to sell albums, Relapse sold well without many hits.
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^Relapse sold because his name was slapped on it. :P
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^Relapse sold because his name was slapped on it. :P
False. Relapse sold because Beautiful and Crack A Bottle were slapped on it.
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RELAPSE all the way I like the PHYSCO SHOCK RAPPER Eminem way better.
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Recovery wins for me. The shouting is annoying, the accent is unlistenable. And the songs are made better as well.
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lol Cham
i think (relapse) was better than Encore, but it wasn't as good as Recovery.
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lol Cham
i think (relapse) was better than Encore, but it wasn't as good as Recovery.
I also said Recovery was good then too..lol.
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Recovery is just as good but Relapse is just about 1000 times more interesting and compelling because it's the first record Dr.Dre has produced all of since 1999.
No flaws or complaints about Recovery, solid record with great and inspired raps, diverse and effective production but you can find 50 rap albums like that now. You can't find 50 rap records in the last decade wholly and totally produced by Dr.Dre (except for beautiful).
Not saying that it makes it better, but as a music aficionado, you want to see what Dr.Dre is doing, especially if he's working with one of his most prolific and masterful collaborators.
Relapse, kind of by default. Especially among this crowd.
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^Na, I bet Eminem doesn't really think that. It's just marketing. Trying to make people believe that this (Recovery) is better then that (Relapse) & since his fans love almost anything he puts out, it makes it seem that much better than he can diss his own shit after they loved it.
Well, that reads like poor marketing to me since he went public with his dissapointment with Relapse at around the same time Interscope dropped the re-release. Em's hating the project really shouldn't have as much impact on public opinion as people give it. Artists look at music often from a very different light as fans. There's sort of a contradictory aspect to most fans that I'm sure bugs the hell out of most artists. They want their favorite artists to only make music that sounds like their favorite material from that artist. I think it's particularly difficult for artists out of the West. They can drop a mediocre G-Funk-sounding album that isn't creatively-inspired at all and people will eat it up and it call it a "classic" but if they move out of their safe zone and try something different, people bitch and call them a "sell-out".
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Recovery is just as good but Relapse is just about 1000 times more interesting and compelling because it's the first record Dr.Dre has produced all of since 1999.
Maybe to Dre stans but as a complete album I disagree. Lyrically its one of the least-inspiring albums ever.
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Recovery and its not even close. I can't believe Relapse is winning by so much. Relapse is such a terrible album minus the Dr. Dre production. Eminem is so sloppy, all over the place The accent is so bad.
This shouldn't even be close. It's easily Recovery.
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^Na, I bet Eminem doesn't really think that. It's just marketing. Trying to make people believe that this (Recovery) is better then that (Relapse) & since his fans love almost anything he puts out, it makes it seem that much better than he can diss his own shit after they loved it.
I honestly think Eminem doesn't like Relapse, he doesn't have to resort to marketing ploys to sell albums, Relapse sold well without many hits.
but he does resort to it, just look at his singles
Recovery and its not even close. I can't believe Relapse is winning by so much. Relapse is such a terrible album minus the Dr. Dre production. Eminem is so sloppy, all over the place The accent is so bad.
This shouldn't even be close. It's easily Recovery.
it's just opinions. if the voters for Relapse said: anyone who voted for Recovery is crazy, then your comment would have made more sense
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^Na, I bet Eminem doesn't really think that. It's just marketing. Trying to make people believe that this (Recovery) is better then that (Relapse) & since his fans love almost anything he puts out, it makes it seem that much better than he can diss his own shit after they loved it.
I honestly think Eminem doesn't like Relapse, he doesn't have to resort to marketing ploys to sell albums, Relapse sold well without many hits.
but he does resort to it, just look at his singles
your right, I was thinking about Crack A Bottle but I totally forgot about We Made You which is an example of what you are saying.
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stan
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Relapse fucking BANGS, and was one of my fav albums that year
Recovery is straight up dog shit and only stans ass bitches liked that album
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^Na, I bet Eminem doesn't really think that. It's just marketing. Trying to make people believe that this (Recovery) is better then that (Relapse) & since his fans love almost anything he puts out, it makes it seem that much better than he can diss his own shit after they loved it.
I honestly think Eminem doesn't like Relapse, he doesn't have to resort to marketing ploys to sell albums, Relapse sold well without many hits.
but he does resort to it, just look at his singles
your right, I was thinking about Crack A Bottle but I totally forgot about We Made You which is an example of what you are saying.
but you are right that his name is worth$$$
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Eminem said he wants to play a big role in Slaughterhouse's next album. If he's on a big single or if he even goes as far as putting his name on the album, like "Eminem presents: Slaughterhouse" or something along those lines. Watch them sell twice as many records, which still isn't a lot. But goes to prove the point that Eminem can double sales lol.
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Didnt that Re-up album go platinum with little promotion. Not that i think Slaughterhouse will go platinum, if they reach 100k they'll have done well.
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Didnt that Re-up album go platinum with little promotion. Not that i think Slaughterhouse will go platinum, if they reach 100k they'll have done well.
100k will all come down to how publicly Eminem makes it that he's working with them.
But part of me feels like I'd rather Eminem just keep it less public & do a really good job on it opposed to possibly selling them out & helping them sell 100k.
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What did the first album sell. 20-30k. As long as some dopemusic comes from this im happy.
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^Na, I bet Eminem doesn't really think that. It's just marketing. Trying to make people believe that this (Recovery) is better then that (Relapse) & since his fans love almost anything he puts out, it makes it seem that much better than he can diss his own shit after they loved it.
I honestly think Eminem doesn't like Relapse, he doesn't have to resort to marketing ploys to sell albums, Relapse sold well without many hits.
but he does resort to it, just look at his singles
your right, I was thinking about Crack A Bottle but I totally forgot about We Made You which is an example of what you are saying.
but you are right that his name is worth$$$
yeah I think Em could release an album with no singles and go platinum, but to sell 3-4 million and please Jimmy he has to make those type of tracks
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relapse ftw
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^Na, I bet Eminem doesn't really think that. It's just marketing. Trying to make people believe that this (Recovery) is better then that (Relapse) & since his fans love almost anything he puts out, it makes it seem that much better than he can diss his own shit after they loved it.
I honestly think Eminem doesn't like Relapse, he doesn't have to resort to marketing ploys to sell albums, Relapse sold well without many hits.
but he does resort to it, just look at his singles
your right, I was thinking about Crack A Bottle but I totally forgot about We Made You which is an example of what you are saying.
but you are right that his name is worth$$$
yeah I think Em could release an album with no singles and go platinum, but to sell 3-4 million and please Jimmy he has to make those type of tracks
i don't think it's just jimmy, although i remember reading that he came up with the strategy.
apparently Eminem is happy with interscope, otherwise he would have left the label after encore
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I thought RELAPSE was way better, not just 'cause of production either. Despite the accent, Em was far more entertaining on that album than on Recovery. Plus, it had tastes of the old "Slim Shady" Em from the '99-'01 years sprinkled throughout some songs. Recovery pretty much follows today's mainstream Hip Pop.
Plus:
Deja Vu >>> Recovery... easily.
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Relapse, partly due to it being the only one out of the two I bothered listening to. And because I liked a majority of the songs on it.
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very cruel pool
you have to make a choice between "eminem who is rapping with bad accent and average flows" and "eminem who is only yelling"
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very cruel pool
you have to make a choice between "eminem who is rapping with bad accent and average flows" and "eminem who is only yelling"
I thought his flow was very good on both albums, its always been a strength of his.
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very cruel pool
you have to make a choice between "eminem who is rapping with bad accent and average flows" and "eminem who is only yelling"
I thought his flow was very good on both albums, its always been a strength of his.
i'd say the flow is better on Relapse
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very cruel pool
you have to make a choice between "eminem who is rapping with bad accent and average flows" and "eminem who is only yelling"
I thought his flow was very good on both albums, its always been a strength of his.
as a person who listened to marshal mathers lp and the eminem show albums, i don't think his flow is "good" on both albums... only "same song and dance" on relapse impressed according to his flow on that one...
if his flow is very good on both albums, how we gonna call his flow on "lose yourself" ?
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If Eminem included 'My Darling' and 'Careful what you wish for' and possibly replaced those with 'We Made You' and '3AM', it would have been miles ahead of recovery. From a production standpoint, Its relapse. But lyrically, I would go for recovery.
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His flow is without doubt superior on Relapse, it's just he uses the accent & some questionable lyrics to make it flawless.
But I guess those are flaws, so he has a flawed flawless flow on Relapse. :P
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Once more didn't say Relapse is better, but to folks like myself who only check out new hip hop records when it's a big fuckin' deal culturally and not just on this website, Dr.Dre production certainly gives the record an edge in terms of the interest it generates and unlike a lot of hyped works, I feel Relapse delivers on this.
I got about halfway through recovery before I switched to something else, not because it wasn't dope, because it was near flawless but it just wasn't that novel. When a dude, whose records I've loved, who takes a fucking decade at a time drops a CD full of beats, I'm compelled to check it out and once more, I felt Eminem's raps were good enough to state that the record delivered. Can an argument be made that Recovery's raps are better? Certainly.
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I got about halfway through recovery before I switched to something else, not because it wasn't dope, because it was near flawless
kill yourself
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very cruel pool
you have to make a choice between "eminem who is rapping with bad accent and average flows" and "eminem who is only yelling"
I thought his flow was very good on both albums, its always been a strength of his.
i'd say the flow is better on Relapse
The flow is very good on there I agreevery cruel pool
you have to make a choice between "eminem who is rapping with bad accent and average flows" and "eminem who is only yelling"
I thought his flow was very good on both albums, its always been a strength of his.
as a person who listened to marshal mathers lp and the eminem show albums, i don't think his flow is "good" on both albums... only "same song and dance" on relapse impressed according to his flow on that one...
if his flow is very good on both albums, how we gonna call his flow on "lose yourself" ?
I've listened to all his albums and his flow is what has been consistent. His accent was at times unlistenable for me on Relapse and I did not like the constant yelling on Recovery but the flow has remained tight throughout the years.His flow is without doubt superior on Relapse, it's just he uses the accent & some questionable lyrics to make it flawless.
But I guess those are flaws, so he has a flawed flawless flow on Relapse. :P
I think he concentrated on perfecting his flow on Relapse and his lyrics had suffered as a result.
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both albums suck dick.
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I got about halfway through recovery before I switched to something else, not because it wasn't dope, because it was near flawless
kill yourself
It's not that I think it was perfect, but it was what it was. I've come to expect no more: angry well delivered raps, good melodic and banging production. I heard the first 8 tracks, I'm obviously not still bumping them and they're not my favorites, I'm just saying I have no overt complaints. Furthermore, the larger point I was making is that I have more interest in 'relapse'.
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both albums suck dick.