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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Lunatic on February 13, 2011, 10:29:59 PM
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I know y'all probably thinking "not another thread" lol but I think this one will be unique and may create conversation
The topic of this thread, it does not matter whether we like these songs. My opinion, nor any of yours matters in that sense. I think one thing we can all agree on is "Kush" is Dre's attempt at "satisfying" his loyal fan base, those who loved "2001" and what has become what we know as west coast music. Again, whether or not you think its a good attempt doesn't matter; as long as you acknowledge that's an attempt.
"I Need a Doctor" is a typical 2011 single, flavor of the month beat and female chorus. This of course is the mainstream single. Again, whether or not you like the track doesn't matter, we can all acknowledge it's similar to a lot of recent hits by such artists as B.o.B., T.I., Eminem, Diddy, Lupe Fiasco and others (same producer, different catchy female hook).
Kush was released first and I Need A Doctor 2nd. I often see a trend here and wonder if you guys see the same thing. Artists who are used to and plan on selling records such as Dr. Dre (discredit underground artists) often follow this trend.
First single, ("street single") release something you believe your loyal fan base will love. Dr. Dre (and everyone involved) believe his loyal fan base will LOVE "Kush" and get super excited about his record; excited to the point where they're minds are made up that they're going to buy the album when it comes out, before being released. (Bare with me on this because Detox is such a highly anticipated album, many made up there mind 10 years ago they'd purchased it, but this example works for most mainstream artists and that specific point fits them more than it does Dr. Dre right now).
Second, you release the "official single" and its something that's a lot more radio friendly and mainstream (i.e. "i need a doctor"). This is too attract "fair weather" fans.
This way, on release of the "street single", it holds a similar sound to previous records which satisfied loyal fan bases. Loyal fan bases matter a lot more than "fair weather" fans because they're the group of fans that always purchase there favorite artists album. But "fair weather" fans help bring the album over the top. For a mainstream artist, in most cases, releasing singles that just satisfy your loyal fan bases won't propel your sales to new heights. You satisfy them first (Kush) to get them excited about your new album. Once they're on board, bring on the the 2nd single to attract new fans ("I need a doctor:). = they ALL buy your album, huge success.
But this trend happens with a lot of mainstream artists..Think Snoop Dogg releasing "Vato" first, T.I. releasing "No Matter What", Eminem releasing "Not Afraid", (all attempts at satisfying loyal fan bases before bringing on such singles as "Love the Way you Lie", "Whatever U Like", etc). There are millions of examples of this happening (loyal fan base single first, fair weather single second), but I just named a few.
Anyone else see it?
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Isn't this common knowledge?
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Isn't this common knowledge?
That's what I'm asking. I think it goes over a lot of people's heads.
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Luna, u ever gonna release that interview u have with Hittman? I don't even know why I'm asking this shit when he ain't never releasing shit..
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Isn't this common knowledge?
Yes I would say it is. ! Redundant thread
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Luna, I disagree with most of what your saying; because its based on the premise that "Kush" and "I Need A Dotor" are weak songs.
Dre made the most bangin tracks he could, and unless the album is classic and will be successful, Aftermath will not put their stamp on it. So dont worry, the singles are dope, the album is dope... and like Chronic and 2001 before, we got Snoop on the first single, and like Dres second album we got Em on the second single...
So what is the problem? What did you want Dre to do?
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Isn't this common knowledge?
Yes I would say it is. ! Redundant thread
i disagree. it's accepted for posters to keep talking about their top 10 west coast albums over and over, so i don't see what's wrong with this analysis
I know y'all probably thinking "not another thread" lol but I think this one will be unique and may create conversation
The topic of this thread, it does not matter whether we like these songs. My opinion, nor any of yours matters in that sense. I think one thing we can all agree on is "Kush" is Dre's attempt at "satisfying" his loyal fan base, those who loved "2001" and what has become what we know as west coast music. Again, whether or not you think its a good attempt doesn't matter; as long as you acknowledge that's an attempt.
"I Need a Doctor" is a typical 2011 single, flavor of the month beat and female chorus. This of course is the mainstream single. Again, whether or not you like the track doesn't matter, we can all acknowledge it's similar to a lot of recent hits by such artists as B.o.B., T.I., Eminem, Diddy, Lupe Fiasco and others (same producer, different catchy female hook).
Kush was released first and I Need A Doctor 2nd. I often see a trend here and wonder if you guys see the same thing. Artists who are used to and plan on selling records such as Dr. Dre (discredit underground artists) often follow this trend.
First single, ("street single") release something you believe your loyal fan base will love. Dr. Dre (and everyone involved) believe his loyal fan base will LOVE "Kush" and get super excited about his record; excited to the point where they're minds are made up that they're going to buy the album when it comes out, before being released. (Bare with me on this because Detox is such a highly anticipated album, many made up there mind 10 years ago they'd purchased it, but this example works for most mainstream artists and that specific point fits them more than it does Dr. Dre right now).
Second, you release the "official single" and its something that's a lot more radio friendly and mainstream (i.e. "i need a doctor"). This is too attract "fair weather" fans.
This way, on release of the "street single", it holds a similar sound to previous records which satisfied loyal fan bases. Loyal fan bases matter a lot more than "fair weather" fans because they're the group of fans that always purchase there favorite artists album. But "fair weather" fans help bring the album over the top. For a mainstream artist, in most cases, releasing singles that just satisfy your loyal fan bases won't propel your sales to new heights. You satisfy them first (Kush) to get them excited about your new album. Once they're on board, bring on the the 2nd single to attract new fans ("I need a doctor:). = they ALL buy your album, huge success.
But this trend happens with a lot of mainstream artists..Think Snoop Dogg releasing "Vato" first, T.I. releasing "No Matter What", Eminem releasing "Not Afraid", (all attempts at satisfying loyal fan bases before bringing on such singles as "Love the Way you Lie", "Whatever U Like", etc). There are millions of examples of this happening (loyal fan base single first, fair weather single second), but I just named a few.
Anyone else see it?
i think you're on point.
but the loyal fans wanted a Dre produced single
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i think you're on point.
but the loyal fans wanted a Dre produced single
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the whole thing is wack.
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i think you're on point.
but the loyal fans wanted a Dre produced single
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Other artists will learn from the failure that Detox will be.
Dre fucked himself by making the fans wait 10 years for an album. He's created so much anticipation and high expectation for the project than no song in hip hop history could justify as a single for the album.
Detox will come, and it will go - but I'm not expecting him to change the game again - his best days are behind him.
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i think you're on point.
but the loyal fans wanted good music as singles rather than cynical attempts at appealing to specific sectors of the target demographic.
Fixed to represent my opinion.
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Dre fucked himself by making the fans wait 10 years for an album.
Sorry but that's not right.
Quincy Jones just did his first original album in 15 years. No one's fucking anyone.
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Last night was wasn't very satisfying ..Dude came out for 30 seconds and bounced .
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there is a big diff. first of all, Quincy is Quincy. and Dre is Dre..
Quincy Jones did 15+ albums back to back, and then took a break.
Dre did 2 albums, wit a ~10-year pause between em
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there is a big diff. first of all, Quincy is Quincy. and Dre is Dre..
Quincy Jones did 15+ albums back to back, and then took a break.
Dre did 2 albums, wit a ~10-year pause between em
Lol you act like Dre ain't been workin between projects. :laugh:
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Luna, I disagree with most of what your saying; because its based on the premise that "Kush" and "I Need A Dotor" are weak songs.
Dre made the most bangin tracks he could, and unless the album is classic and will be successful, Aftermath will not put their stamp on it. So dont worry, the singles are dope, the album is dope... and like Chronic and 2001 before, we got Snoop on the first single, and like Dres second album we got Em on the second single...
So what is the problem? What did you want Dre to do?
Reread the topic, you missed the point of the thread.
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course he did,
but the comparison wit Quincy's 50-year long catalogue is retarded..
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course he did,
but the comparison wit Quincy's 50-year long catalogue is retarded..
Thanks for calling my comparison retarded. :laugh:
You can't compare the 2 artists as they're too different (of course). My point was, Dre's been going since 1983 or something and he didn't put out a Solo til the 90's...for obvious reasons...then he did a whole gang of work again before he put out another solo.
Over a nearly 30 year career he's put out more projects than just the 2 solo albums, and after Detox he'll do a gang more of other stuff.
11 years between Toy Story movies and noone was shouting Pixar fell off. Different medium, same analogy. :-*
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Kush isnt that bad it just doesn't have any replay value imo. I just cant get into inad, i get what they were trying to do with it but it isn't a good song.
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course he did,
but the comparison wit Quincy's 50-year long catalogue is retarded..
Thanks for calling my comparison retarded. :laugh:
You can't compare the 2 artists as they're too different (of course). My point was, Dre's been going since 1983 or something and he didn't put out a Solo til the 90's...for obvious reasons...then he did a whole gang of work again before he put out another solo.
Over a nearly 30 year career he's put out more projects than just the 2 solo albums, and after Detox he'll do a gang more of other stuff.
11 years between Toy Story movies and noone was shouting Pixar fell off. Different medium, same analogy. :-*
None of your analogies apply, since those project haven't been anticipated for 10 years. A more accurate (and musical) comparison would be the Guns n Roses album.
I bet you if the album had been announced a year ago there'd be a lot less disappointed for this project.
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Will_B,
your comparison is still veeery retarded tho IMO ;)
check Q's wiki-page and his documented career, from solo-records, orchestrating, album-production etc etc
and then compare it wit André Young..
what im tryin to say is,
Q could take a break (which he did)
Dre shouldve been more consistent,
his "work-ethic" during his 27 yr-long run resulted in merely 2 albums
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None of your analogies apply, since those project haven't been anticipated for 10 years. A more accurate (and musical) comparison would be the Guns n Roses album.
Good example on Guns n Roses dude, but just because you personally didn't anticipate something doesn't mean the rest of the world didn't either. ;)
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Will_B,
your comparison is still veeery retarded tho IMO ;)
check Q's wiki-page and his documented career, from solo-records, orchestrating, album-production etc etc
and then compare it wit André Young..
what im tryin to say is,
Q could take a break (which he did)
Dre shouldve been more consistent,
his "work-ethic" during his 27 yr-long run resulted in merely 2 albums
Lol again it's like Dre wasn't working in between. Forget Quincy that's clouding the issue.
You're saying the if a guy who does 99% production for other artists or was in groups only puts out couple solo projects....that makes him somehow an underachiever. :laugh:
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no, im not forgettin Quincy, cuz u decided to compare him wit Dre for some reason..
yes, if ur comapring Q's catalouge wit Dre's catalgoue, and their career-spans --
yes, André Young is most def an underacchiever.
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no, im not forgettin Quincy, cuz u decided to compare him wit Dre for some reason..
yes, if ur comapring Q's catalouge wit Dre's catalgoue, and their career-spans --
yes, André Young is most def an underacchiever.
That's very nice but I wasn't. :laugh:
I was talking about gaps between albums but it's fine if you want to make out I was saying Dre is just like Quincy Jones ;)
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u compared them.
Dre's career-break wit Quincy's career-break..
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u compared them.
Dre's career-break wit Quincy's career-break..
Actually no. I said gaps between studio albums. Not the same, and obviously not a career break for Dre. :)
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i think your right bout what dre's doing now with his singles. but he hasnt always done that.
ALL the singles from 2001 were westcoast and would please his loyal fans. and plus he produced them!
i just think dre has no confidence in himself anymore, and is just trying to please the mainstream now. Thats probably whys hes let the whole rap industry submit something for detox. rather than trust in what he does.
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u compared them.
Dre's career-break wit Quincy's career-break..
Actually no. I said gaps between studio albums. Not the same, and obviously not a career break for Dre. :)
a poster, said that Dre fucked over his fans, for waiting so long,
and then u jumped in and brought Q's name aong - and compared them..
do u want me to quote u?
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u compared them.
Dre's career-break wit Quincy's career-break..
Actually no. I said gaps between studio albums. Not the same, and obviously not a career break for Dre. :)
a poster, said that Dre fucked over his fans, for waiting so long,
and then u jumped in and brought Q's name aong - and compared them..
do u want me to quote u?
No need. As you know I said 'Quincy Jones just did his first original album in 15 years. No one's fucking anyone.'
I din't say any more than that. :-*
Do you think Quincy stopped working in that 15 year gap? You said he deserved a break...
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ur STILL goin back n forth wit this? :o
is it important to u?
u compared Quincy Jones wit Dr Dre.
dude said Dre fucked his fans for waitin so long, n u brought up Q's name in comparison, wit the xample of his 15yr long-gap -
i said, "Q can do that, cuz Q is Q, while Dre can't", and then u started talkin about under-acchievement or somethin..
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^^^^^^^^^^ :o :o :o
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Oh I said that did I? ;D
yes, if ur comapring Q's catalouge wit Dre's catalgoue, and their career-spans --
yes, André Young is most def an underacchiever.
I like it how you made that judgement based on Dre also not comparing to Quincy's career span.
Perhaps Dre needs a time machine to make up that extra 20+ years for you. :laugh:
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Oh I said that did I? ;D
yes, if ur comapring Q's catalouge wit Dre's catalgoue, and their career-spans --
yes, André Young is most def an underacchiever.
I like it how you made that judgement based on Dre also not comparing to Quincy's career span.
Perhaps Dre needs a time machine to make up that extra 20+ years for you. :laugh:
okay, i can do that too, if its important to u..
Quincy Jones (a small percentage of his career)
1982-2010 (9 albums, + 8 produced albums) //NOT to mention his duties as an orchestrator, tv-scores etc etc (plus dude was already old as hell during these years)
Dr Dre (his whole career)
(1983-2010 (2 albums, 2 groupalbums, +7 produced albums)
STILL underachievement in comparison wit Q's work-ethic, in terms of that period of time and in documented catalogues
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I know y'all probably thinking "not another thread" lol but I think this one will be unique and may create conversation
The topic of this thread, it does not matter whether we like these songs. My opinion, nor any of yours matters in that sense. I think one thing we can all agree on is "Kush" is Dre's attempt at "satisfying" his loyal fan base, those who loved "2001" and what has become what we know as west coast music. Again, whether or not you think its a good attempt doesn't matter; as long as you acknowledge that's an attempt.
"I Need a Doctor" is a typical 2011 single, flavor of the month beat and female chorus. This of course is the mainstream single. Again, whether or not you like the track doesn't matter, we can all acknowledge it's similar to a lot of recent hits by such artists as B.o.B., T.I., Eminem, Diddy, Lupe Fiasco and others (same producer, different catchy female hook).
Kush was released first and I Need A Doctor 2nd. I often see a trend here and wonder if you guys see the same thing. Artists who are used to and plan on selling records such as Dr. Dre (discredit underground artists) often follow this trend.
First single, ("street single") release something you believe your loyal fan base will love. Dr. Dre (and everyone involved) believe his loyal fan base will LOVE "Kush" and get super excited about his record; excited to the point where they're minds are made up that they're going to buy the album when it comes out, before being released. (Bare with me on this because Detox is such a highly anticipated album, many made up there mind 10 years ago they'd purchased it, but this example works for most mainstream artists and that specific point fits them more than it does Dr. Dre right now).
Second, you release the "official single" and its something that's a lot more radio friendly and mainstream (i.e. "i need a doctor"). This is too attract "fair weather" fans.
This way, on release of the "street single", it holds a similar sound to previous records which satisfied loyal fan bases. Loyal fan bases matter a lot more than "fair weather" fans because they're the group of fans that always purchase there favorite artists album. But "fair weather" fans help bring the album over the top. For a mainstream artist, in most cases, releasing singles that just satisfy your loyal fan bases won't propel your sales to new heights. You satisfy them first (Kush) to get them excited about your new album. Once they're on board, bring on the the 2nd single to attract new fans ("I need a doctor:). = they ALL buy your album, huge success.
But this trend happens with a lot of mainstream artists..Think Snoop Dogg releasing "Vato" first, T.I. releasing "No Matter What", Eminem releasing "Not Afraid", (all attempts at satisfying loyal fan bases before bringing on such singles as "Love the Way you Lie", "Whatever U Like", etc). There are millions of examples of this happening (loyal fan base single first, fair weather single second), but I just named a few.
Anyone else see it?
this thread did not need to be made
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Oh I said that did I? ;D
yes, if ur comapring Q's catalouge wit Dre's catalgoue, and their career-spans --
yes, André Young is most def an underacchiever.
I like it how you made that judgement based on Dre also not comparing to Quincy's career span.
Perhaps Dre needs a time machine to make up that extra 20+ years for you. :laugh:
okay, i can do that too, if its important to u..
Quincy Jones (a small percentage of his career)
1982-2010 (9 albums, + 8 produced albums) //NOT to mention his duties as an orchestrator, tv-scores etc etc (plus dude was already old as hell during these years)
Dr Dre (his whole career)
(1983-2010 (2 albums, 2 groupalbums, +7 produced albums)
STILL underachievement in comparison wit Q's work-ethic, in terms of that period of time and in documented catalogues
Hmmmmm well ok let's look at that.
From your figures Q's about 50/50 production and solo. Plus other work of course.
And Dre's done like less than 10% solo work. I guess he's not a Solo artist predominantly.
So you agree he's fucking his fans over...with his career path?
How would you do it if you were Dre? I guess be a different artist altogether. ;D
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i think you're on point.
but the loyal fans wanted a Dre produced single
I can see that (the only way "Kush" wasn't a "good" attempt at Dre's loyal fan base was because it wasn't produced by Dre. But the sound of song still represents his loyal fan base.
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i think you're on point.
but the loyal fans wanted a Dre produced single
I can see that (the only way "Kush" wasn't a "good" attempt at Dre's loyal fan base was because it wasn't produced by Dre. But the sound of song still represents his loyal fan base.
i see what you're meaning with this. but i think, from the 'loyal fanbase' perspective, the minimum expected was for Dre to produce his own song
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the sound of song (Kush) still represents his loyal fan base.
Not at all. His loyal fanbase isn't the metrosexual clubbers. It is the people on the streets (Death Row era) and hardcore/originalist hip hop heads (Ruthless era). There was nothing "street" about Kush, even though I agree it was the "street single" -- Interscope is just sorely mistaken if they think Kush is what the loyal fanbase wants to hear.
I am still waiting for the real street single for the loyal fanbase.
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^^^ you'll probably have a long wait.
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i think you're on point.
but the loyal fans wanted a Dre produced single
I can see that (the only way "Kush" wasn't a "good" attempt at Dre's loyal fan base was because it wasn't produced by Dre. But the sound of song still represents his loyal fan base.
more like, supposed to represent.
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I think it was JohnnyL who said it the best.
This board was buzzing when "Kush" came out, then when "I Need A Doctor" came out, everybody who fucked with "Kush" started hating on it.
The sooner you all come to understand it doesn't matter what Dre puts out that you're all going to hate on it, the better. If he puts out something like "I Need A Doctor" or something that doesn't have that traditional Dre sound, you're going to say he sold out & it sucks & if he re-creates that old, classic sound of his you're all going to say "Dre is just recycling beats".
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I think it was JohnnyL who said it the best.
This board was buzzing when "Kush" came out, then when "I Need A Doctor" came out, everybody who fucked with "Kush" started hating on it.
The sooner you all come to understand it doesn't matter what Dre puts out that you're all going to hate on it, the better. If he puts out something like "I Need A Doctor" or something that doesn't have that traditional Dre sound, you're going to say he sold out & it sucks & if he re-creates that old, classic sound of his you're all going to say "Dre is just recycling beats".
you're right about some posters.
i remember when Bishop Lamont dropped Grow Up & it got criticised heavily.
but it got more positive feedback here later on ;D
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the sound of song (Kush) still represents his loyal fan base.
Not at all. His loyal fanbase isn't the metrosexual clubbers. It is the people on the streets (Death Row era) and hardcore/originalist hip hop heads (Ruthless era). There was nothing "street" about Kush, even though I agree it was the "street single" -- Interscope is just sorely mistaken if they think Kush is what the loyal fanbase wants to hear.
I am still waiting for the real street single for the loyal fanbase.
Actually his loyal fanbase is probably mostly suburban white boys. Kush has a similar sound to Dre's production style 99 onwards.
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the sound of song (Kush) still represents his loyal fan base.
Not at all. His loyal fanbase isn't the metrosexual clubbers. It is the people on the streets (Death Row era) and hardcore/originalist hip hop heads (Ruthless era). There was nothing "street" about Kush, even though I agree it was the "street single" -- Interscope is just sorely mistaken if they think Kush is what the loyal fanbase wants to hear.
I am still waiting for the real street single for the loyal fanbase.
REAL TALK!!
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I think it was JohnnyL who said it the best.
This board was buzzing when "Kush" came out, then when "I Need A Doctor" came out, everybody who fucked with "Kush" started hating on it.
The sooner you all come to understand it doesn't matter what Dre puts out that you're all going to hate on it, the better. If he puts out something like "I Need A Doctor" or something that doesn't have that traditional Dre sound, you're going to say he sold out & it sucks & if he re-creates that old, classic sound of his you're all going to say "Dre is just recycling beats".
I just want that Dre bounce. I don't care if it's some futuristic synths or whatever, but I used to listen to Dre because he had that funk in his beats. I really think he lost that. Off course I will check out Detox, but I won't be satisfied by a flavor of the month joint. I mean, you listen to Love the Way you Lie and INAD right after, it sounds exactly the same. Dre is somebody that used to create a new sound, and we get a Alex Da Kid beat. At least, Kush was a honest attempt to create something new while staying true to the ''traditionnal'' Dre sound (even if, in MY opinion, it failed)
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the sound of song (Kush) still represents his loyal fan base.
Not at all. His loyal fanbase isn't the metrosexual clubbers. It is the people on the streets (Death Row era) and hardcore/originalist hip hop heads (Ruthless era). There was nothing "street" about Kush, even though I agree it was the "street single" -- Interscope is just sorely mistaken if they think Kush is what the loyal fanbase wants to hear.
I am still waiting for the real street single for the loyal fanbase.
LMAO @ loyal fanbase. How naive are you to think anyone at Interscope (Dre, Iovine) gives a shit about his loyal base.
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I think it was JohnnyL who said it the best.
This board was buzzing when "Kush" came out, then when "I Need A Doctor" came out, everybody who fucked with "Kush" started hating on it.
The sooner you all come to understand it doesn't matter what Dre puts out that you're all going to hate on it, the better. If he puts out something like "I Need A Doctor" or something that doesn't have that traditional Dre sound, you're going to say he sold out & it sucks & if he re-creates that old, classic sound of his you're all going to say "Dre is just recycling beats".
I just want that Dre bounce. I don't care if it's some futuristic synths or whatever, but I used to listen to Dre because he had that funk in his beats. I really think he lost that. Off course I will check out Detox, but I won't be satisfied by a flavor of the month joint. I mean, you listen to Love the Way you Lie and INAD right after, it sounds exactly the same. Dre is somebody that used to create a new sound, and we get a Alex Da Kid beat. At least, Kush was a honest attempt to create something new while staying true to the ''traditionnal'' Dre sound (even if, in MY opinion, it failed)
I'm not going to lie, I want Dre to produce his own shit. It's kinda lame that he isn't. But he needs a single. I personally think that the rest of the album is going to be more Dre then "Alex Da Kid" sounding.
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Another topic on this subject? And one where you drop common knowledge? ::)
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Another topic on this subject? And one where you drop common knowledge? ::)
Lunatic's next thread will be the shocking report of how G funk isn't mainstream in 2011
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LMAO @ loyal fanbase. How naive are you to think anyone at Interscope (Dre, Iovine) gives a shit about his loyal base.
They want there $$. Keep them happy - they buy the record. They care because they want to sell. That's obvious. I'm not trying to say they "care" because "they love there fans" or any of that BS. They want the $.
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I think it was JohnnyL who said it the best.
This board was buzzing when "Kush" came out, then when "I Need A Doctor" came out, everybody who fucked with "Kush" started hating on it.
The sooner you all come to understand it doesn't matter what Dre puts out that you're all going to hate on it, the better. If he puts out something like "I Need A Doctor" or something that doesn't have that traditional Dre sound, you're going to say he sold out & it sucks & if he re-creates that old, classic sound of his you're all going to say "Dre is just recycling beats".
I just want that Dre bounce. I don't care if it's some futuristic synths or whatever, but I used to listen to Dre because he had that funk in his beats. I really think he lost that. Off course I will check out Detox, but I won't be satisfied by a flavor of the month joint. I mean, you listen to Love the Way you Lie and INAD right after, it sounds exactly the same. Dre is somebody that used to create a new sound, and we get a Alex Da Kid beat. At least, Kush was a honest attempt to create something new while staying true to the ''traditionnal'' Dre sound (even if, in MY opinion, it failed)
I'm not going to lie, I want Dre to produce his own shit. It's kinda lame that he isn't. But he needs a single. I personally think that the rest of the album is going to be more Dre then "Alex Da Kid" sounding.
This is Dre we're talking about though. All of his career he has been the one artists go to for singles and standout songs. If he doesn't have the ability to produce his own single anymore then I'm not sure I want to hear the rest of the album.
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This is Dre we're talking about though. All of his career he has been the one artists go to for singles and standout songs. If he doesn't have the ability to produce his own single anymore then I'm not sure I want to hear the rest of the album.
This. People better be careful what they wish for. After hearing it, they're going to wish Detox remained a myth ;) :D ;D
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Luna, u ever gonna release that interview u have with Hittman? I don't even know why I'm asking this shit when he ain't never releasing shit..
http://dbicmag.ning.com/
Issue 3 & 4, 2 part interview
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I think it was JohnnyL who said it the best.
This board was buzzing when "Kush" came out, then when "I Need A Doctor" came out, everybody who fucked with "Kush" started hating on it.
The sooner you all come to understand it doesn't matter what Dre puts out that you're all going to hate on it, the better. If he puts out something like "I Need A Doctor" or something that doesn't have that traditional Dre sound, you're going to say he sold out & it sucks & if he re-creates that old, classic sound of his you're all going to say "Dre is just recycling beats".
I just want that Dre bounce. I don't care if it's some futuristic synths or whatever, but I used to listen to Dre because he had that funk in his beats. I really think he lost that. Off course I will check out Detox, but I won't be satisfied by a flavor of the month joint. I mean, you listen to Love the Way you Lie and INAD right after, it sounds exactly the same. Dre is somebody that used to create a new sound, and we get a Alex Da Kid beat. At least, Kush was a honest attempt to create something new while staying true to the ''traditionnal'' Dre sound (even if, in MY opinion, it failed)
I'm not going to lie, I want Dre to produce his own shit. It's kinda lame that he isn't. But he needs a single. I personally think that the rest of the album is going to be more Dre then "Alex Da Kid" sounding.
This is Dre we're talking about though. All of his career he has been the one artists go to for singles and standout songs. If he doesn't have the ability to produce his own single anymore then I'm not sure I want to hear the rest of the album.
But considering that most of the big singles this year have been produced by Alex Da Kid & have the exact same setup, Dre just got on board with that. He went for that standout single by following the standout singles.
Dre has to release at least one more song before he releases the album & I'd bet that he produces it & if that is miserable, then I guess you can start saying Detox is going to be a fucking joke lol.
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Luna, u ever gonna release that interview u have with Hittman? I don't even know why I'm asking this shit when he ain't never releasing shit..
http://dbicmag.ning.com/
Issue 3 & 4, 2 part interview
Thanks
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I think it was JohnnyL who said it the best.
This board was buzzing when "Kush" came out, then when "I Need A Doctor" came out, everybody who fucked with "Kush" started hating on it.
The sooner you all come to understand it doesn't matter what Dre puts out that you're all going to hate on it, the better. If he puts out something like "I Need A Doctor" or something that doesn't have that traditional Dre sound, you're going to say he sold out & it sucks & if he re-creates that old, classic sound of his you're all going to say "Dre is just recycling beats".
I just want that Dre bounce. I don't care if it's some futuristic synths or whatever, but I used to listen to Dre because he had that funk in his beats. I really think he lost that. Off course I will check out Detox, but I won't be satisfied by a flavor of the month joint. I mean, you listen to Love the Way you Lie and INAD right after, it sounds exactly the same. Dre is somebody that used to create a new sound, and we get a Alex Da Kid beat. At least, Kush was a honest attempt to create something new while staying true to the ''traditionnal'' Dre sound (even if, in MY opinion, it failed)
I'm not going to lie, I want Dre to produce his own shit. It's kinda lame that he isn't. But he needs a single. I personally think that the rest of the album is going to be more Dre then "Alex Da Kid" sounding.
This is Dre we're talking about though. All of his career he has been the one artists go to for singles and standout songs. If he doesn't have the ability to produce his own single anymore then I'm not sure I want to hear the rest of the album.
But considering that most of the big singles this year have been produced by Alex Da Kid & have the exact same setup, Dre just got on board with that. He went for that standout single by following the standout singles.
Dre has to release at least one more song before he releases the album & I'd bet that he produces it & if that is miserable, then I guess you can start saying Detox is going to be a fucking joke lol.
But he didn't have Manny Fresh producing his album back in 1999. Point is, it has never mattered until now what producer-of-the-moment has been hot. Dre has put out his shit, its knocked and its been popular. If he can't make standout songs anymore then he simply doesn't have it.
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^I don't want to be that guy, but let's be honest, who does "have it"?
Cube? No. Snoop? No. Kurupt? No. Quik? No. Who from the 90's is making music that "has it"?
I mean, you can say Jay-Z. But Jay-Z has stayed relevant by keeping up with the times & following the movements that are made.
I don't know, I hope Dre comes through on this album with something bumpable. But I guess we'll just have to wait & see.
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^I don't want to be that guy, but let's be honest, who does "have it"?
Cube? No. Snoop? No. Kurupt? No. Quik? No. Who from the 90's is making music that "has it"?
I mean, you can say Jay-Z. But Jay-Z has stayed relevant by keeping up with the times & following the movements that are made.
I don't know, I hope Dre comes through on this album with something bumpable. But I guess we'll just have to wait & see.
With the exception of Snoop, you're naming artists who haven't been relevant in years. Terrible comparisons. Dre has been relevant from 1989 until just the couple few years. Also, you're naming rappers. Dre is a producer. A producer known for making hits. If he can't do that anymore, what the fuck is the point of him putting out an album? You're forgetting that his main appeal is as a producer.
Also, even ignoring the fact Dre is a hit-making producer....his type of music is different than the other artists you mentioned. Lets be honest, Cube is at his best when he is straight gutter. The less pop his music is the better. Same goes for Kurupt. And Quik's shit has never really had that much pop appeal. But Dre? The man has made a career out of making tracks with mainstream appeal.
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^& his style isn't appealing to the mainstream anymore, hence why he's taking the golden formula of 2011 & running with it.
Who knows? Maybe the rest of the album will be all produced by Dre & very conventional Dre. But he needed this single in order to guarantee himself at least 500K or so he thinks.
& let's be honest, how relevant has Dre really been? Relapse got mixed reviews & wasn't too special on the charts & before that it was basically Game & 50 Cent & those two are pretty irrelevant themselves.
& people say the West is dead. That phrase came about because that style of music isn't popular anymore. The most poppin' thing off the coast are the Black Eyed Peas & that's the farthest thing from old Dre sounds. I personally don't think Dre's best effort would be a hit in 2011.
But it's all speculation until he actually gives us Detox. I mean, people here seem to think all those earlier leaks were just testing the waters to see the response. If "I Need A Doctor" gets a negative response, whose to say Dre won't go whip up ten vintage Dre sounding songs? It'll be interesting.
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Luna, u ever gonna release that interview u have with Hittman? I don't even know why I'm asking this shit when he ain't never releasing shit..
http://dbicmag.ning.com/
Issue 3 & 4, 2 part interview
Props homie! The WC interview is a good'n too!
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I think it was JohnnyL who said it the best.
This board was buzzing when "Kush" came out, then when "I Need A Doctor" came out, everybody who fucked with "Kush" started hating on it.
The sooner you all come to understand it doesn't matter what Dre puts out that you're all going to hate on it, the better. If he puts out something like "I Need A Doctor" or something that doesn't have that traditional Dre sound, you're going to say he sold out & it sucks & if he re-creates that old, classic sound of his you're all going to say "Dre is just recycling beats".
I just want that Dre bounce. I don't care if it's some futuristic synths or whatever, but I used to listen to Dre because he had that funk in his beats. I really think he lost that. Off course I will check out Detox, but I won't be satisfied by a flavor of the month joint. I mean, you listen to Love the Way you Lie and INAD right after, it sounds exactly the same. Dre is somebody that used to create a new sound, and we get a Alex Da Kid beat. At least, Kush was a honest attempt to create something new while staying true to the ''traditionnal'' Dre sound (even if, in MY opinion, it failed)
I'm not going to lie, I want Dre to produce his own shit. It's kinda lame that he isn't. But he needs a single. I personally think that the rest of the album is going to be more Dre then "Alex Da Kid" sounding.
This is Dre we're talking about though. All of his career he has been the one artists go to for singles and standout songs. If he doesn't have the ability to produce his own single anymore then I'm not sure I want to hear the rest of the album.
But considering that most of the big singles this year have been produced by Alex Da Kid & have the exact same setup, Dre just got on board with that. He went for that standout single by following the standout singles.
Dre has to release at least one more song before he releases the album & I'd bet that he produces it & if that is miserable, then I guess you can start saying Detox is going to be a fucking joke lol.
But he didn't have Manny Fresh producing his album back in 1999. Point is, it has never mattered until now what producer-of-the-moment has been hot. Dre has put out his shit, its knocked and its been popular. If he can't make standout songs anymore then he simply doesn't have it.
i wouldn't say that, but he lost his confidence, like i've been saying a few times before.
^& his style isn't appealing to the mainstream anymore, hence why he's taking the golden formula of 2011 & running with it.
Who knows? Maybe the rest of the album will be all produced by Dre & very conventional Dre. But he needed this single in order to guarantee himself at least 500K or so he thinks.
& let's be honest, how relevant has Dre really been? Relapse got mixed reviews & wasn't too special on the charts & before that it was basically Game & 50 Cent & those two are pretty irrelevant themselves.
& people say the West is dead. That phrase came about because that style of music isn't popular anymore. The most poppin' thing off the coast are the Black Eyed Peas & that's the farthest thing from old Dre sounds. I personally don't think Dre's best effort would be a hit in 2011.
But it's all speculation until he actually gives us Detox. I mean, people here seem to think all those earlier leaks were just testing the waters to see the response. If "I Need A Doctor" gets a negative response, whose to say Dre won't go whip up ten vintage Dre sounding songs? It'll be interesting.
so you think Dre can't make a hit any more?
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^& his style isn't appealing to the mainstream anymore, hence why he's taking the golden formula of 2011 & running with it.
Who knows? Maybe the rest of the album will be all produced by Dre & very conventional Dre. But he needed this single in order to guarantee himself at least 500K or so he thinks.
& let's be honest, how relevant has Dre really been? Relapse got mixed reviews & wasn't too special on the charts & before that it was basically Game & 50 Cent & those two are pretty irrelevant themselves.
& people say the West is dead. That phrase came about because that style of music isn't popular anymore. The most poppin' thing off the coast are the Black Eyed Peas & that's the farthest thing from old Dre sounds. I personally don't think Dre's best effort would be a hit in 2011.
But it's all speculation until he actually gives us Detox. I mean, people here seem to think all those earlier leaks were just testing the waters to see the response. If "I Need A Doctor" gets a negative response, whose to say Dre won't go whip up ten vintage Dre sounding songs? It'll be interesting.
so you think Dre can't make a hit any more?
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^A hit as in like Top #1 major old school 50 Cent, modern Lil' Wayne type, on the radio for months single? While sticking to his roots? Today? Unfortunatley no.
Maybe he can make a song that people like us love to death, but to appeal to the mainstream as a whole? I don't think he can do it. I'm doubting the doctor lol.
I'm rooting for him though. Harder then most on here.
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^A hit as in like Top #1 major old school 50 Cent, modern Lil' Wayne type, on the radio for months single? While sticking to his roots? Today? Unfortunatley no.
Maybe he can make a song that people like us love to death, but to appeal to the mainstream as a whole? I don't think he can do it. I'm doubting the doctor lol.
I'm rooting for him though. Harder then most on here.
I havent heard I Need A Doctor on the radio once, yet the song is at #2 on Itunes, we'll see how long it will hang around
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^A hit as in like Top #1 major old school 50 Cent, modern Lil' Wayne type, on the radio for months single? While sticking to his roots? Today? Unfortunatley no.
Maybe he can make a song that people like us love to death, but to appeal to the mainstream as a whole? I don't think he can do it. I'm doubting the doctor lol.
I'm rooting for him though. Harder then most on here.
I havent heard I Need A Doctor on the radio once, yet the song is at #2 on Itunes, we'll see how long it will hang around
It depends on the music video. It's going to make or break the song. But it should/will be high budget.
But Dre didn't "make" "I Need A Doctor". Alex Da Kid did.
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^A hit as in like Top #1 major old school 50 Cent, modern Lil' Wayne type, on the radio for months single? While sticking to his roots? Today? Unfortunatley no.
Maybe he can make a song that people like us love to death, but to appeal to the mainstream as a whole? I don't think he can do it. I'm doubting the doctor lol.
I'm rooting for him though. Harder then most on here.
I havent heard I Need A Doctor on the radio once, yet the song is at #2 on Itunes, we'll see how long it will hang around
It depends on the music video. It's going to make or break the song. But it should/will be high budget.
But Dre didn't "make" "I Need A Doctor". Alex Da Kid did.
don't remind me lol
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Dre, Em and Snoop on a Dre-produced track would have been a high-selling track based on their names alone so going with the Alex da kid route was pointless. Just look at Crack a bottle. It sold 418,000 units and won a Grammy with hardly any promotion and a lack-luster video.
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^A hit as in like Top #1 major old school 50 Cent, modern Lil' Wayne type, on the radio for months single? While sticking to his roots? Today? Unfortunatley no.
Maybe he can make a song that people like us love to death, but to appeal to the mainstream as a whole? I don't think he can do it. I'm doubting the doctor lol.
I'm rooting for him though. Harder then most on here.
but that was/is Dre's talent, to please both groups.
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^A hit as in like Top #1 major old school 50 Cent, modern Lil' Wayne type, on the radio for months single? While sticking to his roots? Today? Unfortunatley no.
Maybe he can make a song that people like us love to death, but to appeal to the mainstream as a whole? I don't think he can do it. I'm doubting the doctor lol.
I'm rooting for him though. Harder then most on here.
I havent heard I Need A Doctor on the radio once, yet the song is at #2 on Itunes, we'll see how long it will hang around
I heard this song yesterday on the radio & I live in Poland, I have to admit I was very surprised.
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Fuck who's on the track. Just because Em's on it isn't going to make it a hit.
Imo what Dre needs is creativity. Love the Way You Lie was huge. But its been blasting on the radio all year. I'm not sure the mainstream public is going to support a song that sounds virtually the same.
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I must say though, I don't agree with everyone's disappointment that Dre didn't produce "Kush" (the first song we heard). Maybe I'm not as picky, but that beat is BANANAS so I can care less.
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I must say though, I don't agree with everyone's disappointment that Dre didn't produce "Kush" (the first song we heard). Maybe I'm not as picky, but that beat is BANANAS so I can care less.
My problem with the track is it sounds like it's TRYING to be some signature dre track and it failed in that aspect.
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I must say though, I don't agree with everyone's disappointment that Dre didn't produce "Kush" (the first song we heard). Maybe I'm not as picky, but that beat is BANANAS so I can care less.
My problem with the track is it sounds like it's TRYING to be some signature dre track and it failed in that aspect.
I do agree with that. I like "Kush", but it seems like some generic recreation.
I remember hearing that Dre said he's going to work with almost everyone he's ever worked with on Detox; meaning features. I mean, depending on who he gets, that could make or break the album.
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I must say though, I don't agree with everyone's disappointment that Dre didn't produce "Kush" (the first song we heard). Maybe I'm not as picky, but that beat is BANANAS so I can care less.
Khalil has much better stuff imo
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Luna, u ever gonna release that interview u have with Hittman? I don't even know why I'm asking this shit when he ain't never releasing shit..
http://dbicmag.ning.com/
Issue 3 & 4, 2 part interview
Thanks
i know im kinda late but thank you 8)
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whatever.
kush is decent.
i need a doctor, as a dre single, is embarrassing.
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I must say though, I don't agree with everyone's disappointment that Dre didn't produce "Kush" (the first song we heard). Maybe I'm not as picky, but that beat is BANANAS so I can care less.
Khalil has much better stuff imo
Exactly
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^I don't want to be that guy, but let's be honest, who does "have it"?
Cube? No. Snoop? No. Kurupt? No. Quik? No. Who from the 90's is making music that "has it"?
I mean, you can say Jay-Z. But Jay-Z has stayed relevant by keeping up with the times & following the movements that are made.
I don't know, I hope Dre comes through on this album with something bumpable. But I guess we'll just have to wait & see.
With the exception of Snoop, you're naming artists who haven't been relevant in years. Terrible comparisons. Dre has been relevant from 1989 until just the couple few years. Also, you're naming rappers. Dre is a producer. A producer known for making hits. If he can't do that anymore, what the fuck is the point of him putting out an album? You're forgetting that his main appeal is as a producer.
Also, even ignoring the fact Dre is a hit-making producer....his type of music is different than the other artists you mentioned. Lets be honest, Cube is at his best when he is straight gutter. The less pop his music is the better. Same goes for Kurupt. And Quik's shit has never really had that much pop appeal. But Dre? The man has made a career out of making tracks with mainstream appeal.
WTF? The point of putting out an album is the same it's always been for every rapper. To make money. You think they and the record companies care about anything else?
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^I don't want to be that guy, but let's be honest, who does "have it"?
Cube? No. Snoop? No. Kurupt? No. Quik? No. Who from the 90's is making music that "has it"?
I mean, you can say Jay-Z. But Jay-Z has stayed relevant by keeping up with the times & following the movements that are made.
I don't know, I hope Dre comes through on this album with something bumpable. But I guess we'll just have to wait & see.
With the exception of Snoop, you're naming artists who haven't been relevant in years. Terrible comparisons. Dre has been relevant from 1989 until just the couple few years. Also, you're naming rappers. Dre is a producer. A producer known for making hits. If he can't do that anymore, what the fuck is the point of him putting out an album? You're forgetting that his main appeal is as a producer.
Also, even ignoring the fact Dre is a hit-making producer....his type of music is different than the other artists you mentioned. Lets be honest, Cube is at his best when he is straight gutter. The less pop his music is the better. Same goes for Kurupt. And Quik's shit has never really had that much pop appeal. But Dre? The man has made a career out of making tracks with mainstream appeal.
WTF? The point of putting out an album is the same it's always been for every rapper. To make money. You think they and the record companies care about anything else?
He's barely even a rapper, he's a producer. Rappers put out albums with the selling point being their lyrics. The selling point of Dre's music is the sound.
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But if his album with horrible production (some of it not even his) and horrible lyrics will STILL sell, do you think he or interscope will care about anything else?
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But if his album with horrible production (some of it not even his) and horrible lyrics will STILL sell, do you think he or interscope will care about anything else?
You're getting away from what I'm saying. The whole point of this album is that its Dre's album and is supposed to be his sound. If they release an album that he had little hand in, it will move some units based on his name being attached to it, but the purpose of the album will have been defeated. Who's going to buy that album?
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But if his album with horrible production (some of it not even his) and horrible lyrics will STILL sell, do you think he or interscope will care about anything else?
You're getting away from what I'm saying. The whole point of this album is that its Dre's album and is supposed to be his sound. If they release an album that he had little hand in, it will move some units based on his name being attached to it, but the purpose of the album will have been defeated. Who's going to buy that album?
The same people who made i need a doctor #1 on itunes.
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But if his album with horrible production (some of it not even his) and horrible lyrics will STILL sell, do you think he or interscope will care about anything else?
You're getting away from what I'm saying. The whole point of this album is that its Dre's album and is supposed to be his sound. If they release an album that he had little hand in, it will move some units based on his name being attached to it, but the purpose of the album will have been defeated. Who's going to buy that album?
The same people who made i need a doctor #1 on itunes.
Its Eminem I Love the Way you Lie part 2. I'm not surprised. However, unless they make Detox a Dre/Eminem collab album, I dont see those ppl buying the album based off of one song.
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NoobCake sort of has a point. I mean, Rapsodie, you're the one who told me "2001" was mainstream as they come. Dre's sound sold at that time so they let it rock. But this time around all Dre is, is a hyped up decently sized name who works along the side of the top selling artist in Hip Hop, Eminem.
Interscope could (probably not, but could) be saying, Dre, make some songs, slap Marshall on a few of them, throw some other nice name features on some songs & we'll make some profit out of this.
From a musical standpoint, you're right. If Dre isn't going to make his sound, then he has no business making an album; ESPECIALLY if he isn't even producing & we know he's not writing lyrics. But from a business perspective, you got a big name, whose album has been hyped up for over a decade & now we can drop it, half ass it, make our money & Dre, you'll never have to do anything ever again for us.
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I guess you guys dont know what a producer is, its not only about making beats, and in my Opinion Andre Young's work always been about sound, and putting album together, its not only about the beat, but also about the way the album flows together, and how its mixed, also the songs theme, the features and all that.. Yes Kush sucks for some and I Need a Doctor sucks for others, but im pretty sure that there is a story and a marketing plan for those 2 tracks.
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But if his album with horrible production (some of it not even his) and horrible lyrics will STILL sell, do you think he or interscope will care about anything else?
You're getting away from what I'm saying. The whole point of this album is that its Dre's album and is supposed to be his sound. If they release an album that he had little hand in, it will move some units based on his name being attached to it, but the purpose of the album will have been defeated. Who's going to buy that album?
The same people who made i need a doctor #1 on itunes.
Its Eminem I Love the Way you Lie part 2. I'm not surprised. However, unless they make Detox a Dre/Eminem collab album, I dont see those ppl buying the album based off of one song.
i guarantee you eminem will featured on more than one song on the album.
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NoobCake sort of has a point. I mean, Rapsodie, you're the one who told me "2001" was mainstream as they come. Dre's sound sold at that time so they let it rock. But this time around all Dre is, is a hyped up decently sized name who works along the side of the top selling artist in Hip Hop, Eminem.
Interscope could (probably not, but could) be saying, Dre, make some songs, slap Marshall on a few of them, throw some other nice name features on some songs & we'll make some profit out of this.
From a musical standpoint, you're right. If Dre isn't going to make his sound, then he has no business making an album; ESPECIALLY if he isn't even producing & we know he's not writing lyrics. But from a business perspective, you got a big name, whose album has been hyped up for over a decade & now we can drop it, half ass it, make our money & Dre, you'll never have to do anything ever again for us.
If all this was about profit we'd have more than 2 albums in 20+ years. Dre could have milked this shit and put out an album every 2 years.
The album has to sell. But its reception is just as important. Throwing a half assed album out there will sell some units but at the same time it will be considered a failure, the same way Dre Presents....Aftermath was a failure.
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NoobCake sort of has a point. I mean, Rapsodie, you're the one who told me "2001" was mainstream as they come. Dre's sound sold at that time so they let it rock. But this time around all Dre is, is a hyped up decently sized name who works along the side of the top selling artist in Hip Hop, Eminem.
Interscope could (probably not, but could) be saying, Dre, make some songs, slap Marshall on a few of them, throw some other nice name features on some songs & we'll make some profit out of this.
From a musical standpoint, you're right. If Dre isn't going to make his sound, then he has no business making an album; ESPECIALLY if he isn't even producing & we know he's not writing lyrics. But from a business perspective, you got a big name, whose album has been hyped up for over a decade & now we can drop it, half ass it, make our money & Dre, you'll never have to do anything ever again for us.
If all this was about profit we'd have more than 2 albums in 20+ years. Dre could have milked this shit and put out an album every 2 years.
For a while, I guess you can say he did with Eminem. He figured, why have people write for me & pay them for that, especially when your white ass can make us millions & write your own shit that kids are eating up & I'll do what I'm good at & make beats for you.
Now Dre is just living up to some promise he made years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if Dre really doesn't even want to do this album.
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NoobCake sort of has a point. I mean, Rapsodie, you're the one who told me "2001" was mainstream as they come. Dre's sound sold at that time so they let it rock. But this time around all Dre is, is a hyped up decently sized name who works along the side of the top selling artist in Hip Hop, Eminem.
Interscope could (probably not, but could) be saying, Dre, make some songs, slap Marshall on a few of them, throw some other nice name features on some songs & we'll make some profit out of this.
From a musical standpoint, you're right. If Dre isn't going to make his sound, then he has no business making an album; ESPECIALLY if he isn't even producing & we know he's not writing lyrics. But from a business perspective, you got a big name, whose album has been hyped up for over a decade & now we can drop it, half ass it, make our money & Dre, you'll never have to do anything ever again for us.
If all this was about profit we'd have more than 2 albums in 20+ years. Dre could have milked this shit and put out an album every 2 years.
For a while, I guess you can say he did with Eminem. He figured, why have people write for me & pay them for that, especially when your white ass can make us millions & write your own shit that kids are eating up & I'll do what I'm good at & make beats for you.
Now Dre is just living up to some promise he made years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if Dre really doesn't even want to do this album.
Dre has said he has gone back and forth with wanting and not wanting to do the album but was reasurred by people like Eminem. Like Dre-Day has said before on the forum I think he just lost his confidence.
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NoobCake sort of has a point. I mean, Rapsodie, you're the one who told me "2001" was mainstream as they come. Dre's sound sold at that time so they let it rock. But this time around all Dre is, is a hyped up decently sized name who works along the side of the top selling artist in Hip Hop, Eminem.
Interscope could (probably not, but could) be saying, Dre, make some songs, slap Marshall on a few of them, throw some other nice name features on some songs & we'll make some profit out of this.
From a musical standpoint, you're right. If Dre isn't going to make his sound, then he has no business making an album; ESPECIALLY if he isn't even producing & we know he's not writing lyrics. But from a business perspective, you got a big name, whose album has been hyped up for over a decade & now we can drop it, half ass it, make our money & Dre, you'll never have to do anything ever again for us.
If all this was about profit we'd have more than 2 albums in 20+ years. Dre could have milked this shit and put out an album every 2 years.
For a while, I guess you can say he did with Eminem. He figured, why have people write for me & pay them for that, especially when your white ass can make us millions & write your own shit that kids are eating up & I'll do what I'm good at & make beats for you.
Now Dre is just living up to some promise he made years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if Dre really doesn't even want to do this album.
it's easier for him to work on someone else's project. im sure he has more fun with it too