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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: love33 on February 18, 2011, 03:19:44 PM
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First off, Dre needs to modernized and not turned into Eminem. I would get him on some modern music. The first track that comes to mind is have him drop a verse on Chris Brown's "Yeah" (like Juelz Santana did on 'Run It'). He could come out of a cloud of smoke with his signature jacket and drop a verse like this:
I got bottles
I got bitches
I got kush
I got switches
64s
Too many hoes
Pimpin hit switches like '94
CB and D-R-E
We on the block like Eazy-E
When we hit the scene
Bitches all pause
It's D-R-E
Drop ya jaws
But Im about to shake the scene
Crack a Bottle on your favorite emcee
He need some stitches
I guess he gotta call a Doctor
Doctor D-R-E
This would introduce Dre to the younger crowd and get him on some modern music instead of just Eminem's music. People of all ages and demograhpics would feel that track, then "I need a Doctor" would be in rotation alongside of it. Dre would have a buzz, then I'd drop an All-West classic Dre Street single with two Dre verses going hard with verses from Cube, Short, and Snoop and call it along the lines of "We Go Hard" or along those lines and a classic G-Funk sound. Then, for the first "Official" single, would be a Dre track with G-Funk merged with Techno. Imagine Dre putting the G with the techno and getting David Guetta as a co-producer. That would be hot. It would be mergin the old school with the new school. What do you all think?
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smh
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kill yourself, weird motherfucker
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Who got bottles? We got bitches
Asses bouncin' tittie riches
Pussy poppin droppin switchin
Cookin kitty in the Kitchen
Chris Brown & Doctor D. R.
Back slappin cheeks not Ri Ar
Watchin missy dancin she raw
She about to ride the seesaw
:banana_llama:
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First off, Dre needs to modernized and not turned into Eminem. I would get him on some modern music. The first track that comes to mind is have him drop a verse on Chris Brown's "Yeah" (like Juelz Santana did on 'Run It'). He could come out of a cloud of smoke with his signature jacket and drop a verse like this:
and thats where i stopped reading Lol
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Good lord. Love33 is back on it again. And just when you thought he couldn't... Oh, I give up. Blueprint, really?
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They def need to modernize his sound! Cube's sales failures using the 90's style in late 2000's proves that it is outdated. Dre needs to modernize his sound. He needs to get back into the girl's dorm rooms, and his poster up on their wall -- they are the one's buyin the 99 cent jams for their IPODs. Just like Pac said, they are the ones buying the music. Some (not all) people on here are closed minded and don't see any artist branching out and diversifying his music. Snoop diversifies his music he works with Justin Timberlake, Gucci Mane, and still the classics like Daz, Too Short, and E-40. Game also does great at diversifying his music. Dre needs to do the same and he'll be okay. Get him on that track with Chris Brown and watch his fame shoot to the top and follow it up with some strong techno tracks mixed with g-funk. I'd have him work with Kanye for a track too and still do the classics. Detox should be a double disc.
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Dre's never been on no mother fucking college girl's dorm room and it's ridicilous to think rapping on a Chris Brown track is suddenly gonna make that happen. His sound is plenty fucking modern hence why I Need A Doctor was a #1 Billboard track.
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Euro's and Westcoast Music
Truly a great combo
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lmao that verse is wack and wouldn't get anyone excited.
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lmao that verse is wack and wouldn't get anyone excited.
I wanna see you write a better one! The verse I wrote is simple and not lyrical warfare..It's meant to be for the teenagers and the folks gettin their grown man on
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Dre's never been on no mother fucking college girl's dorm room and it's ridicilous to think rapping on a Chris Brown track is suddenly gonna make that happen. His sound is plenty fucking modern hence why I Need A Doctor was a #1 Billboard track.
Pac was allover their walls and he even said you have to make music for the ladies. "How Do U Want It" was huge, he collabed with Jon B. and Madonna. Game and Snoop works with Justin cause they know it can be the winning formula. Go listen to Snoop and Pharrell "That Girl" <--- Dre needs a track like this
Also, David Guetta is pumpin out all the hits put Doctor Dre with him. Look at David Guetta and Flo Rida's "Club Can't Handle Me," "Sexy Bitch," "Only Girl In The World." He's pumpin out the hits and Game is workin with Pharrell why not put a few cuts on there for Dre? It's not rocket science why Snoop and Game work with Pharrell, Game called him the best he's ever worked with.
Two-discs would allow for Dre to touch the new modern sound and sprinkle in the classic sound too. Rap merged with techno and Dre needs to put it on. He had a little electronica in the "Kush" cut but he could do more put him with David Guetta and watch them make hit records!
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lmao that verse is wack and wouldn't get anyone excited.
I wanna see you write a better one! The verse I wrote is simple and not lyrical warfare..It's meant to be for the teenagers and the folks gettin their grown man on
(1) I'm not Dre's ghostwriter nor would I waste my time writing a fake verse. You're a lame for doing that.
(2) That verse sucks. Soulja boy could write a better verse than that
(3) why is a verse for "teenagers" talking about hoes and rhyming "D-R-E-" with "Eazy E"? Fuck outta here with your lame ideas.
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I love how broke motherfuckers are gonna actually sit down and give Dre a "blueprint" on how to make an album. It's too funny.
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I wouldn't use the 'Drop ya jaws' line, becuz it sounds like 'Drop ya draws'.
I don't know, maybe its just the way I pronounce it. :-\
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lmao that verse is wack and wouldn't get anyone excited.
I wanna see you write a better one! The verse I wrote is simple and not lyrical warfare..It's meant to be for the teenagers and the folks gettin their grown man on
(1) I'm not Dre's ghostwriter nor would I waste my time writing a fake verse. You're a lame for doing that.
(2) That verse sucks. Soulja boy could write a better verse than that
(3) why is a verse for "teenagers" talking about hoes and rhyming "D-R-E-" with "Eazy E"? Fuck outta here with your lame ideas.
(1) It's much easier to criticize than to actually come up with something better
(2) I would hope Soulja Boy could write a better verse since he's a platinum selling artist
(3) Drake says "hoe" all the time and he gets tons of teenagers, college students, adults buying his stuff he's the top rapper in the game next to Wayne currently...also Eazy E is to pay homage to one of the greats and provide a little history lesson for the young ears
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Hasnt Dre already "modernized"? There was that leak, the jay-z song with the techno/dance/club type beat. hasnt he apparantly worked with lady ga ga?
Anyways all Dre need to do is stick to the formular he used in the past, i agree alot of artists need to sell out an wiork with young commercial artists to stay relevant but i dont think this is the case with Dre.
I think his album would flop if it was full of features like chris brown an drake an pop artists.
If the album has good beats an feauters like Nas, Jay-z, Bausta rhymes, Eminem, Snoop, it should already be a winner.
EDIT: and oh i think the new "i need a doctor" is pretty moderised and will be on little girls ipods. I dont think llittle girls will see Dre as a sex symbol though lol, unless they really diggin the OLDer man thing. Guess he's got muscles... but aint gonna see Dre doin topless photo shoots for the ladies lol..
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I love how broke motherfuckers are gonna actually sit down and give Dre a "blueprint" on how to make an album. It's too funny.
For real, Dre sold millions, then he set the way for Eminem to sell more records then anybody in the history of rap, then help 50 Cent sell over 30 million & this clown thinks he knows what he's talking about.
"I Need A Doctor" is far enough for Dre to go as far as "modernizing" goes lol.
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I love how broke motherfuckers are gonna actually sit down and give Dre a "blueprint" on how to make an album. It's too funny.
You basically pulled my thoughts right out of my head on that one.
Pac was allover their walls and he even said you have to make music for the ladies. "How Do U Want It" was huge, he collabed with Jon B. and Madonna. Game and Snoop works with Justin cause they know it can be the winning formula. Go listen to Snoop and Pharrell "That Girl" <--- Dre needs a track like this
Tupac was 25 when he died. If Dre was not following a similar blueprint with his career when he was actually sharing space with Pac, it's asinine for him to try to be that now. Making a song with Eminem is actually the most intelligent move comercially for Dre. He's established himself as part of Em's legacy and the two have chemistry. Em is selling like crazy. There is a large section of young people who found Dre through Eminem so there is a market there. The same way we at the West Coast boards love Dre and Snoop together, they like Dre and Em. Doing a fucking R&B song with Chris Brown makes no fucking sense at all. Detox will sell just fine without him having to sell muscle posters for teenage girls like he's LL Cool J. Stop trying to think like you are an A&R for a major label. You are really terrible at it.
(1) It's much easier to criticize than to actually come up with something better
As you've no doubt proven by trying to criticize one of hip-hop's most succseful producers while dropping one of the lamest rhymes. If you have the winning formula, start your own label and make your own money off these hit records you think you have then you can be the one with a poster on the college girl's dorm room.
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I wouldn't use the 'Drop ya jaws' line, becuz it sounds like 'Drop ya draws'.
I don't know, maybe its just the way I pronounce it. :-\
LMAO!!!!!!
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smdh
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lmao that verse is wack.
Hope you didn't mean my one. ;D
Anyway you do something raw to skool love33....don't be just 'all talk' :laugh: 8) 8) 8)
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First off, Dre needs to modernized and not turned into Eminem. I would get him on some modern music. The first track that comes to mind is have him drop a verse on Chris Brown's "Yeah" (like Juelz Santana did on 'Run It'). He could come out of a cloud of smoke with his signature jacket and drop a verse like this:
I got bottles
I got bitches
I got kush
I got switches
64s
Too many hoes
Pimpin hit switches like '94
CB and D-R-E
We on the block like Eazy-E
When we hit the scene
Bitches all pause
It's D-R-E
Drop ya jaws
But Im about to shake the scene
Crack a Bottle on your favorite emcee
He need some stitches
I guess he gotta call a Doctor
Doctor D-R-E
This would introduce Dre to the younger crowd and get him on some modern music instead of just Eminem's music. People of all ages and demograhpics would feel that track, then "I need a Doctor" would be in rotation alongside of it. Dre would have a buzz, then I'd drop an All-West classic Dre Street single with two Dre verses going hard with verses from Cube, Short, and Snoop and call it along the lines of "We Go Hard" or along those lines and a classic G-Funk sound. Then, for the first "Official" single, would be a Dre track with G-Funk merged with Techno. Imagine Dre putting the G with the techno and getting David Guetta as a co-producer. That would be hot. It would be mergin the old school with the new school. What do you all think?
You should try to get a ghostwriting job at Aftermath :D
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Hasnt Dre already "modernized"? There was that leak, the jay-z song with the techno/dance/club type beat. hasnt he apparantly worked with lady ga ga?
Anyways all Dre need to do is stick to the formular he used in the past, i agree alot of artists need to sell out an wiork with young commercial artists to stay relevant but i dont think this is the case with Dre.
You're right that Dre and Jay-Z techno track was fire, he was on point with that one, hopefully we'll see more of that. Why not work with David Guetta since he's pumping out the hits?
Tupac was 25 when he died. If Dre was not following a similar blueprint with his career when he was actually sharing space with Pac, it's asinine for him to try to be that now.
Snoop gets down in the videos with the Pharrell's and Justin Timberlake's and he's an "older" artist. Snoop even got down on the autotune. But I guess, according to Dre's lyrics: "40's the new 30" so why not do a couple tracks with mass appeal? He doesn't need to sell "muscle posters" lol, but there was a time when people had "Chronic posters" on their walls.
Juelz Santana did "Run It" with Chris Brown and dropped a raw verse on the end. That's what I was referring to what Dre should do over CB's "Yeah" since it's going to be getting played in all the Miami clubs (go listen to the Power 96 Radio Stream online, Miami plays techno-rap the majority of the time) it would be a giant boost for his image in Florida and New York, since he hasn't been successful at breaking those markets these past few months.
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how can somebody who don't smoked kush for over 10 years can rap about kush? he is not authentic, he`s a dope producer but a lame rapper who need people rap for him on reference tracks. this desaster track named i need a doctor should be the last sign for NOT releasing detox. it will be a huge disapointment for all the fans out there. he missed the train a long time ago. dre is no artist he is a producer with mad skills, please doctor don#t try to rap over beats, let real rappers do the job.
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Just when I thought some of you dubcc members couldn't stoop any lower, I find this thread. Christ almighty...
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Snoop gets down in the videos with the Pharrell's and Justin Timberlake's and he's an "older" artist. Snoop even got down on the autotune. But I guess, according to Dre's lyrics: "40's the new 30" so why not do a couple tracks with mass appeal? He doesn't need to sell "muscle posters" lol, but there was a time when people had "Chronic posters" on their walls.
Juelz Santana did "Run It" with Chris Brown and dropped a raw verse on the end. That's what I was referring to what Dre should do over CB's "Yeah" since it's going to be getting played in all the Miami clubs (go listen to the Power 96 Radio Stream online, Miami plays techno-rap the majority of the time) it would be a giant boost for his image in Florida and New York, since he hasn't been successful at breaking those markets these past few months.
Yes, there was a time when people had "Chronic" posters on their walls. That time was the 90's when Dre was still in his 20's and just breaking out as a solo artist and establishing himself as an entity outside of the N.W.A./Ruthless umbrella. He is now 46 with a very established career.
Dre does music with mass appeal. He got a song in the Billboard top 20 competing with the biggest pop stars in the world. A song that debuted #1. "Yeah" is not only an older song but a far less popular song in terms of chart positioning so its odds of giving Dre a lot of appeal to a different demographic is minimal versus the amount of hardcore fans who would likely shit on such a pointless crossover track. Snoop comparisons are pointless. Snoop drops a lot more albums on a regular basis and has a far different approach to his public image than Dre. Dre is far more calculated when it comes to public appearances and such.
You need to stop thinking about Miami clubs as the "be all - end all" for what's hot in the music business. Dre doesn't need a Chris Brown collabo to sell Detox.
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I agree that Dre should come back out and attempt to reach the young (even though I think they would gravitate to him a little more than you think they would anyway).
but as far as "Detox" goes, maybe this would be a good idea (i waz just thinkin' about something like this literally tha other day too lol):
01 - Intro/Tha Docter
written by: Dr. Dre & Snoop Dogg
produced by: Dr. Dre & 88 Keys
additional production by: Will.I.Am
02 - Kush (Medicated Remix)
featuring Snoop Dogg & Gil Scott Heron
written by: Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, & Jay Z
produced by: Dr. Dre & Sounwave
03 - Sex
featuring Whitney Houston
written by: Dr. Dre/Eminem, & Lil' Kim
produced by: Dr. Dre & Sounwave
04 - Ashley (A Song for the Single Mothers)
featuring Patti Labelle
written by: Dr. Dre, Patti Labelle, Kendrick Lamar, Snoop Dogg, & Game
produced by: Dr. Dre & Scott Storch
05 - Everyday
featuring Snoop Dogg, Kendrick Lamar, & Bone Thugs N Harmony
written by: Dr. Dre/T.I., Kendrick Lamar, Snoop Dogg, Krayzie Bone, Layzie Bone, Bizzy Bone, Flesh N Bone, & Wish Bone
produced by: Dr. Dre & Kanye West
06 - Act This Way
featuring Skylar Grey & Ester Dean
written by: Dr. Dre & Jay Z
produced by: Dr. Dre & Timbaland
07 - Spit In Tha Devil's Face
featuring George Clinton, Mr. Kane, Snoop Dogg, & DJ Quik
written by: Crooked I, Snoop Dogg, DJ Quik, George Clinton, & Mr. Kane
produced by: Dr. Dre & DJ Khalil
08 - Bring 'Em Baqq 2 Kompton
featuring Game, Kendrick Lamar, MC Ren, & YG Hootie
written by: Game, Kendrick Lamar, MC Ren, & YG Hootie
produced by: Dr. Dre & Q-Tip
09 - Malcolm X
written by: Raekwon, Ghostface Killah, & Dr. Dre
produced by: Dr. Dre
10 - Junkies Groove
produced by: Dr. Dre
11 - What's Goin' On 2012
featuring Marvin Gaye, Snoop Dogg, Glasses Malone, Kendick Lamar, WC, Kid Cali, & Game
written by: Marvin Gaye, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Glasses Malone, Kendrick Lamar, WC, Kid Cali, & Game
produced by: Dr. Dre & DJ Khalil and Dr. Dre & Sounwave
12 - Outro/R.I.P.
written by: Dr. Dre, Eminem, Snoop Dogg, & BlackThought
produced by: Dr. Dre & The Roots
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lmfao radiotube for president.
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+1 for Patti LaBelle. Yeaah Boyy.
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lol, it's tha gospel tho...
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Tube, you and love33 need to get together on this shit. You can make the fake album credits and he can tell you how to make it commercially-acceptable for the Miami club scene.
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what the fuck man lol
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I like your tracklist Radiotube...I kinda wanna see a double cd because we waited 12 years and it will probably be his last.
Also, the Chris Brown crossover track could only help him since Chris Brown is bigger than Dre at the moment and it would def help him with the Chris Brown/Kanye/Drake crowd.
I think he needs to reach out to Drake since Drake is the man at the moment and one of the greatest to ever touch the mic.
And the David Guetta collabo would push him over the top! Look at that Flo Rida track "Club Can't Handle Me Now" that's huge in LA and Miami!
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I like your tracklist Radiotube...I kinda wanna see a double cd because we waited 12 years and it will probably be his last.
Also, the Chris Brown crossover track could only help him since Chris Brown is bigger than Dre at the moment and it would def help him with the Chris Brown/Kanye/Drake crowd.
I think he needs to reach out to Drake since Drake is the man at the moment and one of the greatest to ever touch the mic.
And the David Guetta collabo would push him over the top! Look at that Flo Rida track "Club Can't Handle Me Now" that's huge in LA and Miami!
Hey, no offense but...
I wasn't mad at the lyrics you wrote for Dre.
I wasn't mad at the fake Detox tracklist.
But this ?
:bomb:
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Also, the Chris Brown crossover track could only help him since Chris Brown is bigger than Dre at the moment and it would def help him with the Chris Brown/Kanye/Drake crowd.
Sorry but I just don't subscribe to that way of thinking in regards to music. By that rationale, Dr. Dre should just do an episode of "Glee" or "American Idol". Fact is when it comes to digital downloads, Dre had the #1 song last week and went to #14 this week. Brown's new song debuted at #4 and went down to #15. Brown may be doing a little better on radio spins but not by enough of a margin that Dr. Dre needs him to remain relevant. Detox may not get a huge critical reception depending on where expectations lie but I don't see it being in any jeopardy of being a commerical failure.
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First off, Dre needs to modernized and not turned into Eminem. I would get him on some modern music. The first track that comes to mind is have him drop a verse on Chris Brown's "Yeah" (like Juelz Santana did on 'Run It'). He could come out of a cloud of smoke with his signature jacket and drop a verse like this:
I got bottles
I got bitches
I got kush
I got switches
64s
Too many hoes
Pimpin hit switches like '94
CB and D-R-E
We on the block like Eazy-E
When we hit the scene
Bitches all pause
It's D-R-E
Drop ya jaws
But Im about to shake the scene
Crack a Bottle on your favorite emcee
He need some stitches
I guess he gotta call a Doctor
Doctor D-R-E
This would introduce Dre to the younger crowd and get him on some modern music instead of just Eminem's music. People of all ages and demograhpics would feel that track, then "I need a Doctor" would be in rotation alongside of it. Dre would have a buzz, then I'd drop an All-West classic Dre Street single with two Dre verses going hard with verses from Cube, Short, and Snoop and call it along the lines of "We Go Hard" or along those lines and a classic G-Funk sound. Then, for the first "Official" single, would be a Dre track with G-Funk merged with Techno. Imagine Dre putting the G with the techno and getting David Guetta as a co-producer. That would be hot. It would be mergin the old school with the new school. What do you all think?
You should try to get a ghostwriting job at Aftermath :D
slim da mobster is shitting his pants right about now
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First off, Dre needs to modernized and not turned into Eminem. I would get him on some modern music. The first track that comes to mind is have him drop a verse on Chris Brown's "Yeah" (like Juelz Santana did on 'Run It'). He could come out of a cloud of smoke with his signature jacket and drop a verse like this:
I got bottles
I got bitches
I got kush
I got switches
64s
Too many hoes
Pimpin hit switches like '94
CB and D-R-E
We on the block like Eazy-E
When we hit the scene
Bitches all pause
It's D-R-E
Drop ya jaws
But Im about to shake the scene
Crack a Bottle on your favorite emcee
He need some stitches
I guess he gotta call a Doctor
Doctor D-R-E
This would introduce Dre to the younger crowd and get him on some modern music instead of just Eminem's music. People of all ages and demograhpics would feel that track, then "I need a Doctor" would be in rotation alongside of it. Dre would have a buzz, then I'd drop an All-West classic Dre Street single with two Dre verses going hard with verses from Cube, Short, and Snoop and call it along the lines of "We Go Hard" or along those lines and a classic G-Funk sound. Then, for the first "Official" single, would be a Dre track with G-Funk merged with Techno. Imagine Dre putting the G with the techno and getting David Guetta as a co-producer. That would be hot. It would be mergin the old school with the new school. What do you all think?
You should try to get a ghostwriting job at Aftermath :D
slim da mobster is shitting his pants right about now
hahaha :laugh:
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Hahahahah, this thread is a fuckin joke.
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Hahahahah, this thread is a fuckin joke.
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Hahahahah, this thread is a fuckin joke.
Sadly enough though, love33 & Radiotube are so serious.
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So
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Hahahahah, this thread is a fuckin joke.
Sadly enough though, love33 & Radiotube are so serious.
so so so disrespectful.
9000 posts :scarface:
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Hahahahah, this thread is a fuckin joke.
Sadly enough though, love33 & Radiotube are so serious.
so so so disrespectful.
9000 posts :scarface:
+1! 8)
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Sorry but I just don't subscribe to that way of thinking in regards to music. By that rationale, Dr. Dre should just do an episode of "Glee" or "American Idol".
Never said that, nor did I make that stretch. Snoop and Game does songs with Pharrell and Justin Timberlake, Twista works with Pharrell and Chris Brown. Nothing wrong with branching out and expanding an artist through making collaborations. You try to compare it to Barbie, but really it's just making good music and some people are too immature to understand that music expands beyond a gangsta track. Good party music is good party music just like good gangsta music is good music. I like how I bring up the Snoop example and there's never anything to counter it (he's an "older" artist and collabs with these artists because he knows it's a winning formula) but when I suggest Dre do the same some of these traditionalist get all defensive (yet Snoop and Game does and it works). Funny how some are closed minded people and in denial.
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I like your tracklist Radiotube...I kinda wanna see a double cd because we waited 12 years and it will probably be his last.
Also, the Chris Brown crossover track could only help him since Chris Brown is bigger than Dre at the moment and it would def help him with the Chris Brown/Kanye/Drake crowd.
I think he needs to reach out to Drake since Drake is the man at the moment and one of the greatest to ever touch the mic.
And the David Guetta collabo would push him over the top! Look at that Flo Rida track "Club Can't Handle Me Now" that's huge in LA and Miami!
Hey, no offense but...
I wasn't mad at the lyrics you wrote for Dre.
I wasn't mad at the fake Detox tracklist.
But this ?
:bomb:
Outside of LA, Chris Brown is way bigger than Dre. Now when I'm in Los Angeles, Dre is an icon on the Westcoast but outside of the West, Chris Brown is way bigger right now. He's had more hit records than Dre's whole career in his short span and he's from Virginia so they play his music allover the East and the South and the West also plays his stuff too. So yeah, he's definitely bigger than an artist who hasn't dropped an album in 12 years.
Next, Drake is the man right now. His raps are on point. Look at the rhyming he comes up with some smooth pimp shit in his raps plus he's more confident than 90% of these West Coast artists. From a lyrical standpoint, I would def put Drake on top and "Fancy" was one of the best songs of all time. Also, I been bumpin that "9 am In Dallas" it's a banger. Drake is definitely from a lyrical standpoint one of the best to ever do it and his sales back that up he came out of nowhere now he's a superstar.
And the reason why that "I Need A Doctor" track works is because it's an Eminem track not a Dre track -- Dre just dropped a small verse that he didn't even write and put his name on the track. Eminem basically is saving his career with that track. If anyone thinks this track has anything on "Nuthing But A G Thang" or "Dre Day" singles doesn't know a whole lot about music.
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This forum needs to be renamed drakecc ::)
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i wouldnt be surprised in the least if i saw dre on glee lmao.
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^^Nah, it's just Drake is that nigga (drakecc tho, smh lol), he's like a new LL so to say. In real life some people (alot of bloggers) are just immature to tha fact of dude's talent. I ain't sayin' Drake is the GOAT right now or ever but he'll definitely be doin' his thing tho. People said Gucci Mane wouldn't last 2 years (flavor of tha month ass nigga) but here it iz going on 10 years later and Gucci's still as big as ever and regularly cranks out 1,000,000+ views on worldstar everytime he drops a new video.
I mean honestly, in real life who can defend Dr. Dre for what he's done over the past few years (almost a decade). He's dropped/abandoned every good artist he's had (i mean i understood the aura of an Aftermath release but no1 was saying Dr. Dre had to produce it from top to bottom, even tho that's what most people would've preferred). He's had Busta Rhymes, Rakim, Royce & Joell, Ice Cube, Eve, Bishop Lamont, and he didn't release any of those albums (with tha exception of "The Big Bang Theory"). I mean honestly that's pretty luda.
We all love Dr. Dre but dude is mad selfish and it shows, no NWA movie/album, no Detox, dropping everyone just to do 50 Cent's and Eminem's music only, leaving Snoop Dogg out by himself (not that he NEEDS Dre like that like that or anything but y'all know what i mean). We're finding out years later that "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle" weren't really made by him all of tha way, same thing with alot of other Aftermath material (even tho his mixing is 2nd to None but that's it).
You ask me, Dr. Dre has some making up to do. Yeah I know he's super infinitely rich, has helped started 3 legendary of all time record labels, changed tha game countless amount of times now but it just seems like he has more to prove, it's like he's going out like a bitch and did all of that shit for nothin. I'ma always be a fan and look up to Andre Young but he's let me and alot of us down over the years. Nobody is expecting dude to be perfect even with his claim to be a "perfectionist" but i'm so tired of hearing Dre this and Dre that and he has nothing to show for it but "Relapse" and these corny Detox sessions leaks (granted none of those are his songs it still kinda burns a little).
And this has nothing to do with "that 90's sound" or "death row sound" or anything cliche' we've heard of that nature (even tho i've been kinda disappointed with his more recenter productions, but i know he's got that on lock so i'm not counting him out). It just has to do with tha fact that dude made himself look like a complete and total douchebag over tha past few years and it's kinda made me look at him in a different light (but i'll ALWAYS be a fan). Like you mean to tell me after all of these years and more or less recent tragedies you couldn't have came out with an album getting ALL OF THAT BULLSHIT off of your chest?... Suge, his sons and daughter, the gay rumors, Eminem, Proof, California's rap scene, Nate Dogg, people saying that u stole their beats, the mystique of Dr. Dre, the artist that you signed and let go, and just all of that other shit we know nothing about. I mean I wanna know about that shit, we need answers, we need to hear it from the horse's mouth, I've grown tired of these questions, I've grown up.
*listening to that new 50 Cent track "Run Up On Me" makes it certified that since Dre don't write his own rhymes he's DEFINITELY gonna need 50 to write his verses on Detox.*
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LMFAO at fancy being one ofthe best songs of all time. And drake being lyrically one of the best ever. What the fuck is some of this forum on
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fancy is a dope ass record though...
"oh you got it, let em know that everything big...hair done nails done everything did."
you gotta be in touch with your feminine side to really admit you can feel a joint like that lol.
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I like your tracklist Radiotube...I kinda wanna see a double cd because we waited 12 years and it will probably be his last.
Also, the Chris Brown crossover track could only help him since Chris Brown is bigger than Dre at the moment and it would def help him with the Chris Brown/Kanye/Drake crowd.
I think he needs to reach out to Drake since Drake is the man at the moment and one of the greatest to ever touch the mic.
And the David Guetta collabo would push him over the top! Look at that Flo Rida track "Club Can't Handle Me Now" that's huge in LA and Miami!
Hey, no offense but...
I wasn't mad at the lyrics you wrote for Dre.
I wasn't mad at the fake Detox tracklist.
But this ?
:bomb:
Outside of LA, Chris Brown is way bigger than Dre. Now when I'm in Los Angeles, Dre is an icon on the Westcoast but outside of the West, Chris Brown is way bigger right now. He's had more hit records than Dre's whole career in his short span and he's from Virginia so they play his music allover the East and the South and the West also plays his stuff too. So yeah, he's definitely bigger than an artist who hasn't dropped an album in 12 years.
Next, Drake is the man right now. His raps are on point. Look at the rhyming he comes up with some smooth pimp shit in his raps plus he's more confident than 90% of these West Coast artists. From a lyrical standpoint, I would def put Drake on top and "Fancy" was one of the best songs of all time. Also, I been bumpin that "9 am In Dallas" it's a banger. Drake is definitely from a lyrical standpoint one of the best to ever do it and his sales back that up he came out of nowhere now he's a superstar.
And the reason why that "I Need A Doctor" track works is because it's an Eminem track not a Dre track -- Dre just dropped a small verse that he didn't even write and put his name on the track. Eminem basically is saving his career with that track. If anyone thinks this track has anything on "Nuthing But A G Thang" or "Dre Day" singles doesn't know a whole lot about music.
Saying Chris Brown has had more hits than Dre's whole career destroys any credibility you may or may not have.
If you can produce any legitimate #'s to back up this claim. Please do...
Wheel Chair Jimmy...One of the best EVER to touch a mic. :eh:
I don't think he could be placed in the top 50.
Listen, I don't know how much hip hop you've been exposed to, but I've listened to it all...Melle Mel, Kool G Rap, Mixmaster Spade, Schooly D, NWA, Public Enemy, Redman. The list goes on and on. So by putting a Drake in any conversation about being one of the GOATS...just makes you come off looking delusional or uneducated on the subject of hip hop.
I do agree with you that the "I Need A Doctor" track comes off sounding like Eminem ft. Dr. Dre.
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LOLOLOL. Drake isn't in the top five best mainstream artists today. Not in the best artists in general (underground). Not even CLOSE to "best ever".
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If anyone thinks this track has anything on "Nuthing But A G Thang" or "Dre Day" singles doesn't know a whole lot about music.
I'd say the same holds true of anyone who starts a comment with "Outside of LA, Chris Brown is way bigger than Dre."
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If anyone thinks this track has anything on "Nuthing But A G Thang" or "Dre Day" singles doesn't know a whole lot about music.
I'd say the same holds true of anyone who starts a comment with "Outside of LA, Chris Brown is way bigger than Dre."
nah he's not but as of the moment Chris is damn near close, stop sleepin on tha kid (not everybody is a hardcore gangsta rap fan). even tha older niggaz (when i was 16 and they were like 20 was up on Chris Brown) when "Run It" first came out. And as we all know 20/21 year olds don't like what children like unless ur talking about females.
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nah he's not but as of the moment Chris is damn near close, stop sleepin on tha kid (not everybody is a hardcore gangsta rap fan). even tha older niggaz (when i was 16 and they were like 20 was up on Chris Brown) when "Run It" first came out. And as we all know 20/21 year olds don't like what children like unless ur talking about females.
I got nothing against Chris Brown as an artist but it's an entirely pointless comparison. It's not even apples and oranges. It's apples and fucking chocolate bars.
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nah he's not but as of the moment Chris is damn near close, stop sleepin on tha kid (not everybody is a hardcore gangsta rap fan). even tha older niggaz (when i was 16 and they were like 20 was up on Chris Brown) when "Run It" first came out. And as we all know 20/21 year olds don't like what children like unless ur talking about females.
I got nothing against Chris Brown as an artist but it's an entirely pointless comparison. It's not even apples and oranges. It's apples and fucking chocolate bars.
you keep talking about tha past homie, if that's all u wanna talk about then fine- you win but if you're talking about today then Chris Brown and Dr. Dre are equals almost lol, a few other people too. Eminem is standing own his own two feet and has been for quite some time (even 50 did his thing without Dr. Dre, maybe not as big but he's still held his ground). Look, everybody knows how I admire Dr. Dre with all of my imagined tracklist, enthusiasm, and so forth but I'm not a delusional ass nigga.
Fact is Dr. Dre has been AWOL on tha frontline (production excluded), no interviews, no tv spots, not even a guest verse on blast (excluding "encore" and "crack a bottle", wow). I have faith in Dre like most people on here actin like they don't but in 2011 Chris Brown is just as big as Dr. Dre (that's how far tha times have changed). People just aren't fascinated with the old NWA Crew like they used to be (of course it's nothing but classics that'll never die ever, like Parliment or Marvin Gaye) but they just haven't generated the same interest like they used to. Dr. Dre fell victim to his own insecurity in a way.
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nah he's not but as of the moment Chris is damn near close, stop sleepin on tha kid (not everybody is a hardcore gangsta rap fan). even tha older niggaz (when i was 16 and they were like 20 was up on Chris Brown) when "Run It" first came out. And as we all know 20/21 year olds don't like what children like unless ur talking about females.
I got nothing against Chris Brown as an artist but it's an entirely pointless comparison. It's not even apples and oranges. It's apples and fucking chocolate bars.
you keep talking about tha past homie, if that's all u wanna talk about then fine- you win but if you're talking about today then Chris Brown and Dr. Dre are equals almost lol, a few other people too. Eminem is standing own his own two feet and has been for quite some time (even 50 did his thing without Dr. Dre, maybe not as big but he's still held his ground). Look, everybody knows how I admire Dr. Dre with all of my imagined tracklist, enthusiasm, and so forth but I'm not a delusional ass nigga.
Fact is Dr. Dre has been AWOL on tha frontline (production excluded), no interviews, no tv spots, not even a guest verse on blast (excluding "encore" and "crack a bottle", wow). I have faith in Dre like most people on here actin like they don't but in 2011 Chris Brown is just as big as Dr. Dre (that's how far tha times have changed). People just aren't fascinated with the old NWA Crew like they used to be (of course it's nothing but classics that'll never die ever, like Parliment or Marvin Gaye) but they just haven't generated the same interest like they used to. Dr. Dre fell victim to his own insecurity in a way.
Dre is now a producer who sometimes raps. He hasn't had a dedicated solo career in over 10 years, and over his full career he's only done like 20% performing (maybe less) 80% behind the scenes. Forget exposure. Detox will drop and that'll be it for Dre. Back to developing artists and sounds..
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nah he's not but as of the moment Chris is damn near close, stop sleepin on tha kid (not everybody is a hardcore gangsta rap fan). even tha older niggaz (when i was 16 and they were like 20 was up on Chris Brown) when "Run It" first came out. And as we all know 20/21 year olds don't like what children like unless ur talking about females.
I got nothing against Chris Brown as an artist but it's an entirely pointless comparison. It's not even apples and oranges. It's apples and fucking chocolate bars.
LMAO!!
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you keep talking about tha past homie, if that's all u wanna talk about then fine- you win but if you're talking about today then Chris Brown and Dr. Dre are equals almost lol, a few other people too. Eminem is standing own his own two feet and has been for quite some time (even 50 did his thing without Dr. Dre, maybe not as big but he's still held his ground). Look, everybody knows how I admire Dr. Dre with all of my imagined tracklist, enthusiasm, and so forth but I'm not a delusional ass nigga.
Fact is Dr. Dre has been AWOL on tha frontline (production excluded), no interviews, no tv spots, not even a guest verse on blast (excluding "encore" and "crack a bottle", wow). I have faith in Dre like most people on here actin like they don't but in 2011 Chris Brown is just as big as Dr. Dre (that's how far tha times have changed). People just aren't fascinated with the old NWA Crew like they used to be (of course it's nothing but classics that'll never die ever, like Parliment or Marvin Gaye) but they just haven't generated the same interest like they used to. Dr. Dre fell victim to his own insecurity in a way.
It's not a past or present thing at all. You can't compare a guy whose a twenty-plus-year veteran producer whose mostly been working on other people's albums for the last decade to a younger R&B artist. Their goals, resumes, and overall expected roles in the music business are entirely different. You're not gonna sell a Chris Brown album, the way you'd sell Detox.
And Chris Brown isn't BIGGER than Dre. You want to talk current? If Dre had to trade incomes with Chris Brown for the entire year, he'd throw himself out of a fucking window.
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FYI, this might deserve a thread of its own and I dont know if its been posted already, but I Need A Doctor slipped HUGE this week, all the way to the mid 30s, WOW! I don't think i've ever seen a song go straight into the charts with so much buzz at #5 and drop SO much in its second week. Pretty pathetic on Universal/Interscope's half if you ask me. Really, I only know like 2 or 3 people who know this track, so way to go Universal. Once again, promo = success in 2011.
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Dre should just scrap Detox and start producing and guest appearing on other artists albums. That is what he does best. The only person who he has great difficulty in producing for is himself.
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FYI, this might deserve a thread of its own and I dont know if its been posted already, but I Need A Doctor slipped HUGE this week, all the way to the mid 30s, WOW! I don't think i've ever seen a song go straight into the charts with so much buzz at #5 and drop SO much in its second week. Pretty pathetic on Universal/Interscope's half if you ask me. Really, I only know like 2 or 3 people who know this track, so way to go Universal. Once again, promo = success in 2011.
lmao, this forum is in a sad state of a song's chart position requires its own thread.
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FYI, this might deserve a thread of its own and I dont know if its been posted already, but I Need A Doctor slipped HUGE this week, all the way to the mid 30s, WOW! I don't think i've ever seen a song go straight into the charts with so much buzz at #5 and drop SO much in its second week. Pretty pathetic on Universal/Interscope's half if you ask me. Really, I only know like 2 or 3 people who know this track, so way to go Universal. Once again, promo = success in 2011.
lmao, this forum is in a sad state of a song's chart position requires its own thread.
Well lately all Dre has to do is take a shit and it gets a thread, so who knows.
And is it safe to say this is flopping too? I know it hit 5, which is great, but that was its opening week, and it dropped off huge this week. This was supposed to be THE song that brought Detox to the forefront, but its not looking good. And honestly, as much as the song lacks bigtime, you have to blame Universal/Interscope for not treating this song as something that should be as over-promoted as possible (even more than Recovery)
. . since you know, its just the most anticipated album in hip hop's history and one of the most in music as a whole's history.
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They performed this song at the grammies. That's pretty big promotion. You can get a song to people's ear and get it to the charts, but you can't force people to like it.
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To the people here hating on Drake: Dude made a grip of money and he's one of the best lyricist in the game. How some of you don't give him credit is beyond me but I think it's because:
(1) he's not a 'gangsta' rapper
(2) he raps about doing it real bigg (materialism)
(3) he's a dual threat and does both rap and r&b
(4) a lot of you are too busy pretending you're in the hood and can't relate to his lyrical content like taking a girl out for dinner and dropping some coin
(5) he raps about miami and toronto nightlife
To say that Drake's lyrics aren't on point is just like saying the Miami Heat aren't a legit contender for the championship -- Drake is the MVP of the rap game (or Lil Wayne, but since Wayne's been around Drake is the new big dog)
Go listen to "The Resistance," "Fancy," "Uptown," "Up All Nite," "The Calm," "Do It All," "Put It Down," "Ashton Martin Music," "Miss Me," "In My Business," "Right Above It," "It's Been A Pleasure" just to name A FEW -- Drake is a hitmaker and his lyrics are dope......
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"I make these niggas nervous...PROM NIGHT!"
"Come & find me...NEMO!"
Yeah, we could be looking at the greatest lyricist of our time. :laugh: ::)
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"I make these niggas nervous...PROM NIGHT!"
"Come & find me...NEMO!"
Yeah, we could be looking at the greatest lyricist of our time. :laugh: ::)
The prom night means people get nervous on the prom night (when some people go to the prom sometimes they get nervous if they have to pick the girl up).
The Nemo quote refers to "Finding Little Nemo."
That's lame dissing someone without even posting the bars around it. He's a top lyricist and he's better than the slaughterhouse stuff you have in your signature, like Drake would say, "Go look at the numbers."
Here's a better Drake quote for you to ponder: "I just came home making $2 million in 30 days"
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^I fully understand the references. Homeboy is rapping about a animated Pixar movie about FISH.
Numbers don't mean anything. In 2011, the better numbers you do, the worse you are lol. Only an ignorant moron who knows literally NOTHING about Hip Hop would discuss record sales in relation to skill lol.
"blah, blah, blah, Slaughterhouse". Look man, post any Drake verse in his short history of rapping that you find to be "classic" & I can post 15 verses from 50 other artists each that OUTRAGEOUSLY, absurdly make Drake look like a child lol.
I'm not actually going to do that before you post up some Drake verse where he's referencing Dora The Explorer.
With all that being said, Drake's album was entertaining, I fucked with it. Not lyrical in the SLIGHTEST. I can't determine if him or Game is a better lyricist & Game is a below average lyricist; so that goes to show you how great Drake is lol.
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"I make these niggas nervous...PROM NIGHT!"
"Come & find me...NEMO!"
Yeah, we could be looking at the greatest lyricist of our time. :laugh: ::)
The prom night means people get nervous on the prom night (when some people go to the prom sometimes they get nervous if they have to pick the girl up).
The Nemo quote refers to "Finding Little Nemo."
That's lame dissing someone without even posting the bars around it. He's a top lyricist and he's better than the slaughterhouse stuff you have in your signature, like Drake would say, "Go look at the numbers."
Here's a better Drake quote for you to ponder: "I just came home making $2 million in 30 days"
drake is whack as fuck all his songs are trash & thats comming from a toronto native
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^I fully understand the references. Homeboy is rapping about a animated Pixar movie about FISH.
Numbers don't mean anything. In 2011, the better numbers you do, the worse you are lol. Only an ignorant moron who knows literally NOTHING about Hip Hop would discuss record sales in relation to skill lol.
"blah, blah, blah, Slaughterhouse". Look man, post any Drake verse in his short history of rapping that you find to be "classic" & I can post 15 verses from 50 other artists each that OUTRAGEOUSLY, absurdly make Drake look like a child lol.
I'm not actually going to do that before you post up some Drake verse where he's referencing Dora The Explorer.
With all that being said, Drake's album was entertaining, I fucked with it. Not lyrical in the SLIGHTEST. I can't determine if him or Game is a better lyricist & Game is a below average lyricist; so that goes to show you how great Drake is lol.
what im i doin what im i doin what im i doin oh yea thats right im doin me im doin me im doin me lol
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"I make these niggas nervous...PROM NIGHT!"
"Come & find me...NEMO!"
Yeah, we could be looking at the greatest lyricist of our time. :laugh: ::)
The prom night means people get nervous on the prom night (when some people go to the prom sometimes they get nervous if they have to pick the girl up).
The Nemo quote refers to "Finding Little Nemo."
That's lame dissing someone without even posting the bars around it. He's a top lyricist and he's better than the slaughterhouse stuff you have in your signature, like Drake would say, "Go look at the numbers."
Here's a better Drake quote for you to ponder: "I just came home making $2 million in 30 days"
drake is whack as fuck all his songs are trash & thats comming from a toronto native
"But look at the sales"; EVEN K-MACC KNOWS!
Just because people like your mother bought this album to masturbate to, doesn't relate into good Hip Hop. FACT: Almost as many women (if not more) as men bought this album. Take out women buying the album & he still wouldn't have a million sold.
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^I fully understand the references. Homeboy is rapping about a animated Pixar movie about FISH.
Numbers don't mean anything. In 2011, the better numbers you do, the worse you are lol. Only an ignorant moron who knows literally NOTHING about Hip Hop would discuss record sales in relation to skill lol.
"blah, blah, blah, Slaughterhouse". Look man, post any Drake verse in his short history of rapping that you find to be "classic" & I can post 15 verses from 50 other artists each that OUTRAGEOUSLY, absurdly make Drake look like a child lol.
I'm not actually going to do that before you post up some Drake verse where he's referencing Dora The Explorer.
With all that being said, Drake's album was entertaining, I fucked with it. Not lyrical in the SLIGHTEST. I can't determine if him or Game is a better lyricist & Game is a below average lyricist; so that goes to show you how great Drake is lol.
what im i doin what im i doin what im i doin oh yea thats right im doin me im doin me im doin me lol
Two thumbs up...EBERT & ROEPER!
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^I fully understand the references. Homeboy is rapping about a animated Pixar movie about FISH.
Numbers don't mean anything. In 2011, the better numbers you do, the worse you are lol. Only an ignorant moron who knows literally NOTHING about Hip Hop would discuss record sales in relation to skill lol.
"blah, blah, blah, Slaughterhouse". Look man, post any Drake verse in his short history of rapping that you find to be "classic" & I can post 15 verses from 50 other artists each that OUTRAGEOUSLY, absurdly make Drake look like a child lol.
I'm not actually going to do that before you post up some Drake verse where he's referencing Dora The Explorer.
With all that being said, Drake's album was entertaining, I fucked with it. Not lyrical in the SLIGHTEST. I can't determine if him or Game is a better lyricist & Game is a below average lyricist; so that goes to show you how great Drake is lol.
what im i doin what im i doin what im i doin oh yea thats right im doin me im doin me im doin me lol
Two thumbs up...EBERT & ROEPER!
one of the dopest hooks ive heard in a while lmfao
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Look...the ol' record sales = skills argument never works. :laugh:
Vanilla Ice pushed more than 15 MILLION copies worldwide of his "To The Extreme" album.
(Which Drake will never come close to.)
Does this mean he is/was a top lyricist ?
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Lol.
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02 - Kush (Medicated Remix)
featuring Snoop Dogg & Gil Scott Heron
written by: Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, & Jay Z
produced by: Dr. Dre & Sounwave
ha random but i would love to see that.
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Go listen to "The Resistance," "Fancy," "Uptown," "Up All Nite," "The Calm," "Do It All," "Put It Down," "Ashton Martin Music," "Miss Me," "In My Business," "Right Above It," "It's Been A Pleasure" just to name A FEW -- Drake is a hitmaker and his lyrics are dope......
The Resistance
"I avoided the Coke game and went with Sprite instead"
"'I"m just trying to stay on. Get my fucking buffett on"
:puke:
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Sales matter more than anything -- that's the reason Detox HASNT dropped!
Low Sales is like a major movie at the box office flopping!
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I'm sorry but I dont think people are checking for Dre any more. He has been bullshiting for too long. I think he is just lazy. Oh well
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Sales matter more than anything -- that's the reason Detox HASNT dropped!
Low Sales is like a major movie at the box office flopping!
Comparing a record flopping to a movie flopping. Tremendous analogy. Detox hasn't dropped because Dre hasn't finished it yet.
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Sales matter more than anything -- that's the reason Detox HASNT dropped!
Low Sales is like a major movie at the box office flopping!
Comparing a record flopping to a movie flopping. Tremendous analogy. Detox hasn't dropped because Dre hasn't finished it yet.
I thought he finished it in 2003?
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Sales matter more than anything
Stop.
I guess you're top five goes Eminem, Lil' Wayne, Drake, Nicki Minaj & Kanye lol.
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I thought he finished it in 2003?
Well, I guess you thought wrong.
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FYI, this might deserve a thread of its own and I dont know if its been posted already, but I Need A Doctor slipped HUGE this week, all the way to the mid 30s, WOW! I don't think i've ever seen a song go straight into the charts with so much buzz at #5 and drop SO much in its second week. Pretty pathetic on Universal/Interscope's half if you ask me. Really, I only know like 2 or 3 people who know this track, so way to go Universal. Once again, promo = success in 2011.
From today's USA Today....
Eminem, who grabbed two trophies after leading the pack with 10 nominations, turned in a pair of showstopping numbers that lifted his Recovery album 60%. The new I Need a Doctor, with Dr. Dre and Skylar Grey, sold 283,000 copies, up 172%, and advanced 11 slots to No. 3. Love the Way You Lie, performed with Rihanna, sold 67,000, up 52%.
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Sales matter more than anything -- that's the reason Detox HASNT dropped!
Low Sales is like a major movie at the box office flopping!
sales dont mean shit when it comes to how good a rapper is, orhow good an album is.
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FYI, this might deserve a thread of its own and I dont know if its been posted already, but I Need A Doctor slipped HUGE this week, all the way to the mid 30s, WOW! I don't think i've ever seen a song go straight into the charts with so much buzz at #5 and drop SO much in its second week. Pretty pathetic on Universal/Interscope's half if you ask me. Really, I only know like 2 or 3 people who know this track, so way to go Universal. Once again, promo = success in 2011.
From today's USA Today....
Eminem, who grabbed two trophies after leading the pack with 10 nominations, turned in a pair of showstopping numbers that lifted his Recovery album 60%. The new I Need a Doctor, with Dr. Dre and Skylar Grey, sold 283,000 copies, up 172%, and advanced 11 slots to No. 3. Love the Way You Lie, performed with Rihanna, sold 67,000, up 52%.
I read a bunch of shit yesterday saying it was at #4 on the charts this week, and I went and looked and it was indeed at #4. Real strange since I looked on Tuesday and it was all the way in the 30s. Someone fucked up. Anyways, I guess i'll have to take all my Universal talk back then, but I still feel that if they're going to have this as the first big single then they gotta promote it to NO end.
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why u thinkin he needs help? his shit gonna sell regardless of what he drops...whether you and i like the shit he puts out or not, its going to sell!
http://www.reallionnaire.blogspot.com
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People can talk all they want about Dre having to release a certain kind of music to sell. But the bottom line is that if Kanye can release a mainstream album that I like, then Dre should be able to as well. Unless he simply doesn't have it anymore. Its just hard to believe that after a 20+ career of being on top, it took him less than 2 years to completely fall the fuck off.
89-07....hip hop has gone through so many changes and different eras of music during this period. And somehow Dre stayed relevant.
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And he still remains relevant. The people who like the new song are listening and it's doing well and those who hate it seem to be flooding this forum with their armchair A&R/executive theories about how the "young kids" aren''t feeling his music like they have their fucking fingers on the pulse of the youth market.
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Dr. dre is on the second team....so what he needs to do is form a group so that folks forget about his solo stuff and think about him as being in a group.....him with 3 other dudes that is what he needs to do.....otherwise I am not really feeling the dude.
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Dr. dre is on the second team....so what he needs to do is form a group so that folks forget about his solo stuff and think about him as being in a group.....him with 3 other dudes that is what he needs to do.....otherwise I am not really feeling the dude.
I'm sure Interscope is rushing to change everything around so that you'll be feeling him again.
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And he still remains relevant. The people who like the new song are listening and it's doing well and those who hate it seem to be flooding this forum with their armchair A&R/executive theories about how the "young kids" aren''t feeling his music like they have their fucking fingers on the pulse of the youth market.
He didn't produce the song. Its an Alex da Kid joint. Sonically its almost exactly Love the Way You Lie. Even if this song becomes a hit, its not gonna prove his relevance as a hip hop producer.
If he can't produce hits on his own record then I'd say his relevance has taken a hit, even if the album does well.
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Our Detox who Flop in heaven,
overrated be thy name,
thy wackness come,
thy will be done,
in Cali as it is in Europe,
give us this day our early leaks,
and forgive us our bootleggers,
for we promote those who bootleg the wankstas,
and lead us not into some gay shit,
but deliver us from wiggers,
Amen.
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It's still his project though. He's making the decision to put that record out so if it fails or succeeds, it's on him. You can put whatever asteriks you want next to whoever's name but if their name is still being mentioned in regards to a record that is succesful, they are relevant. It's like this.. He could put out an entire album of songs other people produced and throw "Dr. Dre Presents" on the title and if it sells, his name is still money. If it bombs, it ain't.
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It's still his project though. He's making the decision to put that record out so if it fails or succeeds, it's on him. You can put whatever asteriks you want next to whoever's name but if their name is still being mentioned in regards to a record that is succesful, they are relevant. It's like this.. He could put out an entire album of songs other people produced and throw "Dr. Dre Presents" on the title and if it sells, his name is still money. If it bombs, it ain't.
I was talking about his relevance as a producer who puts out hits, not as a "rapper" who puts out albums. Because that has never really been his focus. What separates Dre from a Suge Knight type of character is his involvement in the music. If he's not involved in the production of the music, then to me he's just another Puffy.
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I was talking about his relevance as a producer who puts out hits, not as a "rapper" who puts out albums. Because that has never really been his focus. What separates Dre from a Suge Knight type of character is his involvement in the music. If he's not involved in the production of the music, then to me he's just another Puffy.
But whose to say he's not involved. Just because someone else gets the producer credit, doesn't mean he's not in there with his input. Your argument of what makes a producer is fine as a single opinion but I don't think it constitutes relevance. If the public (buying, listening, viewing, whatever) is interested in what you do no matter what way you go about, you're relevant. Maybe you feel by not being the credited producer on the first single, he's diminished his value as a producer but I'd say that's unlikely. Even people who aren't overly enthralled by the music they've heard so far are still actively involved in the conversation so they still care. In order for there to be strong dissapointment, you need strong anticipation. There's people who've been actively announcing how "done" they are with Detox for almost 4 years but with every little piece of info, they have an opinion.
It's easy to hate on the music if you don't like it but I feel he probably liked the song and the concept and said, "Hey. This is what I'm looking for" and rolled with it. Yes, most people on this forum think it sucks but no matter what he does, there's gonna be a part of his fanbase that is pissed off about it and everyone's been waiting so now they feel "entitled". The bottom line is he can't win. As an artist-producer, he's in a class all his own. When you think of "super producers" or artist-producers, there's nobody that mixes his longevity, success, influence, and all-around track record. Nobody. You might have younger guys who make better beats in the lab but they aren't better producers. And no, I don't anticipate having to explain that last sentence to the majority of people who are still stuck solely on the "beat-making" aspect of music production but I expect it. It's not some accident or conspiracy that the Timbalands, DJ Premiers, and Quiks in the game are saying this guy is the real deal. I mean, you are twenty-five years deep in popular music and you've worked with so many of the greatest artists out there during that time and directly inspired many of those you haven't. How easy could it possibly be to pull something new out of your hat that will simultaneously impress all your fans, critics, and peers while competing with the catalog you've already come up with?
A lot of people are on the opinion that Dre just said, “Fuck it. I’m just gonna copy what’s hot” or Jimmy talked him into this or that. I don’t buy it. If money was all that mattered, why spend years on albums and then throw them away? If he’s Jimmy Iovine’s slave or bitch boy, why is Jimmy allowing this? Dre’s had plenty of chances to sell out and make a flavor of the month project. Hell, many of them would have been supported by most of the people in this very forum. I mean if he’d struck when the iron was hot on “Not These Niggas Again” back in 2000-2001 and just made that album half-heartedly on auto-pilot, how many of you would have cared as long as the beats knocked? The only time “artistic integrity” seems to matter is when the artist decides to do something y’all don’t like. Think about it. If Snoop did “Doggystyle 2” tomorrow and absolutely hated it and only did to appease us would we call him a “sellout” if we liked the album? Doubtful.
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His name isn't on it, hence he had no involvement in the production. Simple logic, yes? And why are you bringing up Jimmy? I haven't mentioned him once.
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When you think of "super producers" or artist-producers, there's nobody that mixes his longevity, success, influence, and all-around track record. Nobody. You might have younger guys who make better beats in the lab but they aren't better producers.
Legacy-wise? Yes. He's in my top 3 as far as hip hop producers of all time go. But I'm talking about the here and now. There's many producers I'd put over Dre right now. I know the difference between a beatmaker and a producer. But when Dre produces a song, his name is on it as the main producer, regardless if someone else made the beat or not. His name wasn't on Kush or I Need a Doctor, and even if it was it still wouldn't say much for if he "still has it".
Look, his legacy stands for itself. I'm talking about right now. I've said that already but you don't seem to have gotten the point.
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His name isn't on it, hence he had no involvement in the production. Simple logic, yes?
Just because he wasn't the credited producer does not mean he had no involvement in the production.
And why are you bringing up Jimmy? I haven't mentioned him once.
While I did quote one of your comments and addressed that, I also decided to address a lot of the other comments being made in regard to Detox.
Legacy-wise? Yes. He's in my top 3 as far as hip hop producers of all time go. But I'm talking about the here and now. There's many producers I'd put over Dre right now. I know the difference between a beatmaker and a producer. But when Dre produces a song, his name is on it as the main producer, regardless if someone else made the beat or not. His name wasn't on Kush or I Need a Doctor, and even if it was it still wouldn't say much for if he "still has it".
Well, we all have our own opinions but it's a tougher comparison to make for me. A less-seasoned producer still has a lot more to chose from without double-dipping where a guy that has been doing it since the 80's has covered quite a bit of ground already so finding new challenges is a lit more difficult. For someone that is so many years ahead of his peers, there’s only so much he can do without it being redundant. To ignore an artist’s history when judging them today is not to look at the full picture. If Steven Spielberg comes out and recycles E.T., even if it’s technically more polished and improved in some areas, the feeling is still gonna be “Come on, Steven. You did this movie already.” Where as if Quentin Tarantino does a movie about space aliens, he’s never tackled that yet and he might even take things he saw being a student of watching Spielberg and use them because that’s what artists do and people will applaud that. It’s the same in music.
So to me it’s not that Dre is becoming less relevant. His value as a producer hasn’t fallen off. He could still command top dollar from nearly any artist to work with them. As I said, you can’t compare an artist or producer who got on in the new millennium with one that been out there since 1985. It won’t work.
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What does how seasoned a producer is have to do with the actual music??? A dope record is a dope record. I'm not going to sit here and give a song more props than its due because of who made it. If a nobody producer comes out with better material than a seasoned vet in a given year, that means they were the better producer for that year. And I don't buy what you're saying about redundancy, because a new producer is just as limited in what they can do. A new producer can't make a name by copying what has been done before. They have to come with their own style. In that sense they are even more limited, because at least a producer like Dre can go back to his sound and not get flack for it because its his sound.
If Dr. Dre makes a weak record, then its a weak record. But you're still missing the original point. He didn't produce either of his singles. When I hear I Need A Doctor what it tells me is that Alex da Kid made a weak record and Dre made the mistake of passing it off as his single.
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His name isn't on it, hence he had no involvement in the production. Simple logic, yes?
Just because he wasn't the credited producer does not mean he had no involvement in the production.
Why would you assume that? Your logic is based on nothing but speculation. And extremely unlikely speculation at that. Why in the world would Dr. Dre ghost-produce on his own record?? He's been known before to attach his name to anything he's had the slightest hand in. When it comes to his own album you can be assured he would be credited as a producer if he did any producing on it.
Enough of your stupid speculation because its baseless. The credits are right in front of you. Dre didn't produce on his own record. Unless you can show otherwise its a moot point to argue.
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His name isn't on it, hence he had no involvement in the production. Simple logic, yes?
Just because he wasn't the credited producer does not mean he had no involvement in the production.
well he didn't even get credit for additional production, so his involvement was little if he had any.
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lets hear Detox album first before we say he get back on track
not based on a couple songs he didn't even produce
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lets hear Detox album first before we say he get back on track
not based on a couple songs he didn't even produce
that is if there are Dre productions on Detox
let's hope so
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[I Need a Doctor] Sonically its almost exactly Love the Way You Lie.
I agree with that 100%, really good judgment
Here's the thing about Dr. Dre: This album IS based on Sales. For people to come on here and say it isn't are completely being a Dre-lover rather than a Dre fan. These people are trying to create a cushion or free pass for Dre if it flops and use the excuse. IF the sales didn't matter then...:
(1) He wouldn't be releasing a song with Eminem who sells extremely well carrying the entire track and him dropping a small little verse he didn't write
(2) He would be dropping a completely differerent brand of music (maybe something like "grow up" bishop lamont or rakim "after you die" type music)
(3) Interscope wouldn't put their stamp on it if they didn't believe it would move units
(4) He would have released this album in 3 different versions -- the completed "musical play" he had in 2003, the all-aftermath version in 2006, the 2009 version where he recorded with nearly every cat who is relevant in the industry
(5) Ice Cube would be on it!
(6) There wouldn't be all this promotion -- Headphones, HP Commercials, appearances with Eminem at the grammys, Dr. Pepper commercials
So those who are so caught up in being a Dre stan quit saying that "sales don't matter" lets put that nonsense to rest
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If its a good album with mainstream appeal, it will sell more than if its a shitty album with mainstream appeal.
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yooo this nigga here is fucking trippin, first off dre would not come soft like that wack shit, he should get back into that classic, death row g-funk, then all the bitches would be getting pregnant
#WESTCOAST4LIFE
couldnt have said it better.
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The thing about Dre, is that, from a PR standpoint, they are at a complete standstill. The thing that made Dre great on "The Chronic" was his image -- he was an All American badass -- the Rolling Stone Covers, The Chronic posters, the raw raps dissing Eazy-E, Luke, Ruthless, Tim Dog, and others, guns in the music videos. Think about "Dre Day" and how he had a gun he was pointing at a Jerry Hellar look-alike's head and a fake Eazy-E "I will rap for food" and the "Nuthin But A G Thang" video where they have guns and they pull the girls top off at the volleyball game at the barbecue. Dre's raps were raw and he was a badass. The album dropped at a time when rap was just "yo yo yo hey homie" "i dip a dot a dip dip a dot" The Chronic was the first mainstream album on MTV that pushed the envelop and redefined rap. Death Row had the first mainstream "radio edit" versions. When you heard the tracks the lyrics were even more raw on the album versions and they were saying "hooker" and "hoe" and tv (which is now edited out). So Dre was a complete badass with g-funk, guns, 64s, and house parties. Dre even got charged with slapping some woman he was a badass holding guns in magazines, etc.
Then in "Dr. Dre 2001," the theme was "I've been there I've done that and I can still do it" -- tracks like "The Watcher," "STILL D.R.E." painted Dre as the guy who was laying back in the cut and watching all the other guys commit the crimes while he made the money. The album made it look like he could make the party music but he was more mature and intelligent than the other gangstas and he also did the track with Cube "This is The Thanks I Get." This theme was Dre saying he was the big smart guy in the background that could still do it but is low key and about the money.
Another poster said that they could make him rap about the situation with Suge Knight, the Death Row demise, the gay rumors, the NWA reunion that didn't happen, the fallout with The Game with the 50 beef, why Rakim didnt get released and him and Bishop got dropped, why he hasn't produced and brought any huge Westcoast acts to the forefront, his feelings on the 'new west' generation (ya boy, crooked, sly eastwood), the daz rumors and why he hasn't worked with him, the rumor he was credited for production he didn't do, mel man, why he doesnt work with other west OGs like 40, short, cube. Along with some party jams, these are some topics I personally want to hear about. I can't sit through another album of "The Watcher" theme.
Now, they are at a completely FROZEN as to how to market him. You can't go back and make him Death Row Dre (that's like when Mase became Pastor Mase then back to Murder Mase and it ruined his career). You can't keep pressing the theme "Been There Done That" cause we already heard that in Dr. Dre "2001." So where does the media go with his image? Dre sold because of his image and they need something that will make him appeal to the average fan and make him sell. What's left for them to do as they are copletely at a standstill?
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he needs to start a group with 3 other dudes....
that is what he needs...
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They aren't at a standstill. They are actively promoting "I Need A Doctor" which is performing well on the charts. He's been fine with the PR. Whenever he's gone out to promote, the media has covered it. He had last month's XXL cover. They have momentum in their favor. They more have to figure out what they are doing with the album than anything else.
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They aren't at a standstill. They are actively promoting "I Need A Doctor" which is performing well on the charts. He's been fine with the PR. Whenever he's gone out to promote, the media has covered it. He had last month's XXL cover. They have momentum in their favor. They more have to figure out what they are doing with the album than anything else.
Nobody in Florida is talking about him. Nobody is saying his name. They play "Kush" speeded up in Miami then they mix it with another track so it sits on there for 2 min speeded up a few people move. There is a PR problem cause you're talkin about getting college girls 17-25 and guys 22-45 to buy the album and it's goin to be a rough road ahead if they can't reinvent him and he drops a song worth listening to
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Like i said before, it's impossible to market a 46 year old rapper to today's record buying public (teenagers). Dre is the same age as their parents. It's just not gonna happen for him this time unless every song on Detox will contain 2 Eminem verses.
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"I Need A Doctor" is his biggest charting single as an artist since the first Chronic came out. You can tell me all you want about what you hear out in Florida but I can look at newspapers and Billboard charts that show me the song actually jumped way up, this week. The song is #4 in the country amongst all music genres and #3 in digital sales. I'll take that over one person trying to convince me it's not succesful because he hasn't personally heard it in his travels.
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"I Need A Doctor" is his biggest charting single as an artist since the first Chronic came out. You can tell me all you want about what you hear out in Florida but I can look at newspapers and Billboard charts that show me the song actually jumped way up, this week. The song is #4 in the country amongst all music genres and #3 in digital sales. I'll take that over one person trying to convince me it's not succesful because he hasn't personally heard it in his travels.
Its only successful if it stays on the charts and stays on the radio
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Well, fine, if it falls off the charts, next week, I'm all for hearing these brilliant backseat P.R. marketing plans to reinvent Dr. Dre but right now, he's got the #4 single in the country so saying they need to scrap it all and try to sell him like he's in 20's or 30's again sounds absurd to me.
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Lmao Off at basin what dr dre needs over what's hot in Florida that's like saying gucci mane should start tailoring his music to what's hot in New York.
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Like i said before, it's impossible to market a 46 year old rapper to today's record buying public (teenagers). Dre is the same age as their parents. It's just not gonna happen for him this time unless every song on Detox will contain 2 Eminem verses.
teenagers download a lot, i don't get why this age group gets brought up all the time
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Nobody in Florida is talking about him. Nobody is saying his name. They play "Kush" speeded up in Miami then they mix it with another track so it sits on there for 2 min speeded up a few people move. There is a PR problem cause you're talkin about getting college girls 17-25 and guys 22-45 to buy the album and it's goin to be a rough road ahead if they can't reinvent him and he drops a song worth listening to
Who gives a fuck about florida. Dre releasing a song with david guetta aint gon do shit either.
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Like i said before, it's impossible to market a 46 year old rapper to today's record buying public (teenagers). Dre is the same age as their parents. It's just not gonna happen for him this time unless every song on Detox will contain 2 Eminem verses.
teenagers download a lot, i don't get why this age group gets brought up all the time
They don't really buy albums either. Most teenagers I know buy the individual songs, if they pay at all.
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Well, fine, if it falls off the charts, next week, I'm all for hearing these brilliant backseat P.R. marketing plans to reinvent Dr. Dre but right now, he's got the #4 single in the country so saying they need to scrap it all and try to sell him like he's in 20's or 30's again sounds absurd to me.
Jimmy that's one song that's not gonna sell an entire album. Pitbull & T-Pain got a dope track out gettin mad play but it's not gonna sell a platinum album. The expectation here is a platinum album not one song carried by Eminem that people will bootleg and not buy the whole album. Don't forget we've waited 12 years for this shit. This is hardly "Nuthin But A G Thang" or "Keep Their Heads Ringin."
I can tell you I go to the biggest clubs in SouthBeach Mansion (Liv), O, Space, Set, Nikki Beach, Mynt Lounge, etc. they aren't playin that shit down here. They aren't feelin it. Like I said they play "kush" speeded up real quick how's that going to sell a million copies?
Noobcake: Like i said before, it's impossible to market a 46 year old rapper to today's record buying public (teenagers). Dre is the same age as their parents. It's just not gonna happen for him this time unless every song on Detox will contain 2 Eminem verses.
I'm starting to see that point, I mean look at how Nelly can't sell like he once did. The Birdman said in an interview when you fall off very rarely do you ever see a rapper who falls off get back on his two feet again. E-40 is one of the only examples I can think of who fell off and came back to be a mainstream success, but it rarely happens.
Who gives a fuck about florida. Dre releasing a song with david guetta aint gon do shit either.
David Guetta is pumpin hit records out left and right. He's the go-to producer at the moment.
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Lmao Off at basin what dr dre needs over what's hot in Florida that's like saying gucci mane should start tailoring his music to what's hot in New York.
Exactly what Snoop does
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Lmao Off at basin what dr dre needs over what's hot in Florida that's like saying gucci mane should start tailoring his music to what's hot in New York.
Exactly what Snoop does
. And every snoop album these days flops and is garbage
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Nobody in Florida is talking about him. Nobody is saying his name. They play "Kush" speeded up in Miami then they mix it with another track so it sits on there for 2 min speeded up a few people move. There is a PR problem cause you're talkin about getting college girls 17-25 and guys 22-45 to buy the album and it's goin to be a rough road ahead if they can't reinvent him and he drops a song worth listening to
Who gives a fuck about florida. Dre releasing a song with david guetta aint gon do shit either.
although it would totally turn me off to his whole legacy a song with david guetta would actually probably push the shit out of this record to the kids.
lets cross our fingers :P
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Nobody in Florida is talking about him. Nobody is saying his name. They play "Kush" speeded up in Miami then they mix it with another track so it sits on there for 2 min speeded up a few people move. There is a PR problem cause you're talkin about getting college girls 17-25 and guys 22-45 to buy the album and it's goin to be a rough road ahead if they can't reinvent him and he drops a song worth listening to
Who gives a fuck about florida. Dre releasing a song with david guetta aint gon do shit either.
although it would totally turn me off to his whole legacy a song with david guetta would actually probably push the shit out of this record to the kids.
lets cross our fingers :P
Agree 100%. It would be a 180 degree music-wise from the 1992-95 Chronic Days, but some people on this forum can't figure out that it's 2011 and not 1996. If Dre and David Guetta hooked up, it would be fire from a sales standpoint and I'm sure Guetta would drop some hyped dance beat like he has been droppin that would get people jumpin. That's why I said they could put him on that Chris Brown "Yeah" record and it would get his name movin in the $$$$ direction.
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Jimmy that's one song that's not gonna sell an entire album. Pitbull & T-Pain got a dope track out gettin mad play but it's not gonna sell a platinum album. The expectation here is a platinum album not one song carried by Eminem that people will bootleg and not buy the whole album. Don't forget we've waited 12 years for this shit. This is hardly "Nuthin But A G Thang" or "Keep Their Heads Ringin."
I can tell you I go to the biggest clubs in SouthBeach Mansion (Liv), O, Space, Set, Nikki Beach, Mynt Lounge, etc. they aren't playin that shit down here. They aren't feelin it. Like I said they play "kush" speeded up real quick how's that going to sell a million copies?
It's been in top 10 digital sales so people have been buying it. Even if it was physically possible for you to be at every club in Miami at once and stay there 24-7, it's still a tiny portion of the overall national audience so you're not telling me anything. Detox is not a regional record designed to be made or broken by how the Miami clubs react to it. I'm sorry but it just isn't.
You're talking about an album that people have been hyping up for over a decade so the name is out there. It's gonna do platinum if/when it comes out. The standstill talk is all jazz. Dre was on the XXL cover, last month, and on Vibe not too far before that. You're talking about two of the most recognized publications in regards to urban music. You don't put somebody's image on the cover of a magazine like that unless there is a level of confidence that that image is going to sell magazines. You have an album with huge word of mouth and a single in rotation that has a strong buzz. People on the forum might HATE the song and I'm not here to debate the quality of the music but the fact remains in terms of chart performance, it's selling.
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Puttin dre on chris browns song or on a guetta song aint gon do shit for detox sales the majority of people that liked it would just download that 1 song and not give a fuck bout getting detox. A dre and em version of Love Takes Over would be mad chillstho.
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You don't put somebody's image on the cover of a magazine like that unless there is a level of confidence that that image is going to sell magazines.
I see what your point is in that they are pushing him hard with the promotion money, but as far as magazines go a lot of artists have been on magazines and that didn't do much at all. If it was the 90's I'd say yeah those are huge, but Crooked I and Young Keno took the covers of those magazines and they didn't sell any records. But from a marketing standpoint, it's the dr. pepper commercials, hp commercials, having him on the grammys, and those type of gimmicks that they are using. My point is that one track isn't going to sell an album and the point many people have made on this forum is that one track can be downloaded/listen to on youtube and die out quickly.
The reason why I am leaning towards buying the new Snoop album is because I've heard several cuts and I like what I hear and I think they have some longevitiy to them. I don't hear any longevity in "Kush" and especially not "I Need A Doctor." If his goal is to just get Eminem fans to buy the music, feature him, Jay-Z, and Wayne on every track and just do the last verse. But if we want a real Dre record, we want to hear a single where it's Dre like "Let Me Ride."
When I say he should work with Guetta some people think I'm referring for the whole album, nah just put 1-3 tracks on there, then do some classic stuff where he talks about some real topics that have surrounded him, then do a couple modernized g-funk tracks, and mix in some west coast cats Game, Snoop, Ya Boy, etc. I think he should even put Tha Realest on a couple tracks because you can hate on his image all you want but dude makes good sounding music.
He needs a diverse approach to this album and please make it a double-disc if it's gonna be his last. I haven't bought a good double disc in ages and this would be the album for that to happen if its done right.
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Crooked I was never on a cover as a solo act. He was part of something bigger like Slaughterhouse signing to Shady or the new Death Row.
Making a single like "Let Me Ride" is kind of like preaching to the converted in my opinion. Dre's fan base are buying this day it drops. And the ones that aren't going to buy certainly aren't going to be turned around by one song themselves. The audience you're talking abour are either a) going to blind buy it on opening day or b) wait for the early leak, download it, and make up their mind there. Investing marketing and promotion dollars to make these people aware of a product they haven't stopped asking about for 10 years is pointless.
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Crooked I was never on a cover as a solo act. He was part of something bigger like Slaughterhouse signing to Shady or the new Death Row.
Making a single like "Let Me Ride" is kind of like preaching to the converted in my opinion. Dre's fan base are buying this day it drops. And the ones that aren't going to buy certainly aren't going to be turned around by one song themselves. The audience you're talking abour are either a) going to blind buy it on opening day or b) wait for the early leak, download it, and make up their mind there. Investing marketing and promotion dollars to make these people aware of a product they haven't stopped asking about for 10 years is pointless.
. He was on as a solo act twice, once on deathrow and them again on the first xxl freshmen cover. He wasn't on the cover alone but it was as a solo act
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I didn't mean "solo act" as solo artist though in retrospect, I can see how easily there could be confusion. What I meant was he was contributing part of a bigger story. With Death Row, the story was Suge and his return to the game with a new roster. With that other article, it was a whole handful of artists. With the new one, it's about Eminem's new Shady roster. With Dre, the focus of the story is "Detox". They are selling that article on the album.