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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: BiggBoogaBiff on March 07, 2011, 01:53:01 PM
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It wouldn't be right any other way. I was thinking about how could tha album live up 2 EVERYBODY'S expectations and if it were 2 mainly feature any1 else it's gonna be horrible and luke warm. Say what u wanna about another "Detox thread" but it's true. Like honestly, if Eminem all over "Detox" i'ma have 2 put that album down after 2 spins, and it's not just me. I mean really, any other way would just be ludacrus and puke made.
This isn't an Eminem bashing thread or another "oh my god Dr. Dre please!!!" thread it's just real talk. I can't really imagine "Detox" being a solid (and sellable) record with abuncha Aftermath/Shady/Eminem features. No disrespect 2 anybody over there but Dre needs 2 stick with Snoop on this 1 and not tha white boy or tha guy who got kidnapped and locked in a trunk from South Cental who got a 10000000 dollar house without an album or a write/rapper who has tha weakest voice in Rap history.
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It wouldn't be right any other way. I was thinking about how could tha album live up 2 EVERYBODY'S expectations and if it were 2 mainly feature any1 else it's gonna be horrible and luke warm. Say what u wanna about another "Detox thread" but it's true. Like honestly, if Eminem all over "Detox" i'ma have 2 put that album down after 2 spins, and it's not just me. I mean really, any other way would just be ludacrus and puke made.
This isn't an Eminem bashing thread or another "oh my god Dr. Dre please!!!" thread it's just real talk. I can't really imagine "Detox" being a solid (and sellable) record with abuncha Aftermath/Shady/Eminem features. No disrespect 2 anybody over there but Dre needs 2 stick with Snoop on this 1 and not tha white boy or tha guy who got kidnapped and locked in a trunk from South Cental who got a 10000000 dollar house without an album or a write/rapper who has tha weakest voice in Rap history.
Is this Flame Bait? :sign_banhim:
Nah jus kiddin ;D
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I agree. Im hoping for at least as many Snoop features as Eminem, if not more. Plus, Snoop is on fire right now. Its gotta be Snoop and Dre for me>>>>>>>>>Eminem and Dre
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this is who i wanna hear on detox : jayo felony, snoop , kurupt, cube, em, scarface, t.i., keri hilson, jewell, rbx, nas, d.o.c., strong arm steady, soopafly, xzibit, dawaun parker, latoya williams, and mc ren.
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I hope he is featured on more then just a few tracks, i'd rather hear him than Eminem.
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I wouldnt be surprise if i see eminem all over detox, when was the last time u saw dre work with anyone from nwa chronic or doggystyle? dre thinks eminem is his savior, dude doesnt even wanna work with ice cube. tell u what though! detox will flop if he doesn't get his act together because none of the singles is nothing like shit on chronic or chronic 2001.
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I agree. Im hoping for at least as many Snoop features as Eminem, if not more. Plus, Snoop is on fire right now. Its gotta be Snoop and Dre for me>>>>>>>>>Eminem and Dre
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I wouldnt be surprise if i see eminem all over detox, when was the last time u saw dre work with anyone from nwa chronic or doggystyle? dre thinks eminem is his savior, dude doesnt even wanna work with ice cube. tell u what though! detox will flop if he doesn't get his act together because none of the singles is nothing like shit on chronic or chronic 2001.
he was working with Cube just last year. hopefully something from those sessions will end up on the album
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Album isn't being released any time soon.This new single won't be strong enough for his insecure ways..End of the year , if ever .
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busta,nas,jay z,game,eminem,50,bishop,kendrick,dpg,ice cube,snoop,doc (skit),rbx,lady of rage,eve,rakim,raekwon...the list goes on and on.
I would be happy with alot of features, as long as they deliver there best and fit the vide/theme of the track. Whatever sounds good. I hate pink but i have no problem with the chorus on 'wont back down". Why not lady gaga on detox ? She can sing, doest she ?
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This is the same guy who thinks he would be good in marketing.
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Snoop is gonna be on Detox but probably not as much as he was on The Chronic or even 2001
you know its not 1993 anymore
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This is the same guy who thinks he would be good in marketing.
Hey, at least if the real Detox dissapoints, he can always make up a pretend one just for himself. :)
As for the thread in question, I'd say Eminem's post-"2001" catalog shits on Snoop's.
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I wouldnt be surprise if i see eminem all over detox, when was the last time u saw dre work with anyone from nwa chronic or doggystyle? dre thinks eminem is his savior, dude doesnt even wanna work with ice cube. tell u what though! detox will flop if he doesn't get his act together because none of the singles is nothing like shit on chronic or chronic 2001.
Kurupt was on 2001, Snoop's been workin' with Dre for a while...
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I wouldnt be surprise if i see eminem all over detox, when was the last time u saw dre work with anyone from nwa chronic or doggystyle? dre thinks eminem is his savior, dude doesnt even wanna work with ice cube. tell u what though! detox will flop if he doesn't get his act together because none of the singles is nothing like shit on chronic or chronic 2001.
he was working with Cube just last year. hopefully something from those sessions will end up on the album
i doubt it, the material for cube's album was unfinished
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i hope there will be great features on the album
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Snoop recently spits some solid bars again, I'll give you that. But wether the album will be banging or not doesn't depend on Snoop appearences.
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The more Snoop the better. You can see Snoop still worships Dre (quite rightly, but don't flame me, read on) by the way he performs on Kush. Dre's an older guy now, he's gonna appreciate people who stay real to him. Snoop is one of those guys who still believes in Dre.
This is a point I've been meaning to make for a while. INAD works well if you still have Dre and Em as a personal heroes. We all did in 1999 but now? Not if you've grown into a different person yourself. Remember when Dre rapped "They say Raps changed. They Wanna know how I feel about it". Dre had a superstar persona back then. Like Snoop had on Doggystyle. Snoop's said in the past it was the D.O.C.'s influence that made him project superstar status before people even knew who he was.
Dre's done a track with him an Em in character like they came across in 1999. Like when they represented Hip-hop. And like no time has passed. People are saying it's gay for them to be singing to each other like they are but it's like a 'buddy movie'. Cat's just don't get it mainly because they've grown up. We're all not the people we were in 99. Dre's newer audience who just hears Kush and likes him/it will. But Snoop's kept it real. He still shines on Dre's records because they make magic together. No homo.
EDIT: And props on the homie Fraxxx making 1,000 posts :pimp:
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The more Snoop the better
Right. Eminem can't hold down a Dr. Dre album byhimself (don't go talking about "Relapse" either). In fact tha only tracks they've done together that come close to anything Dre and Snoop have done is "Forgot About Dre" and "What's The Difference", everything else isn't quite there. And that's no bias but years down the line (even tho it's been over a decade y'all will hear more clearly what I mean). Eminem is definitely a beast but "Detox" with Eminem all over it would lose replay value pretty quickly compared to Snoop Dogg all over the record (and that's not an opinion).
Sales or Quality
[Eminem] / [Snoop Dogg]
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Eminem is definitely a beast but "Detox" with Eminem all over it would lose replay value pretty quickly compared to Snoop Dogg all over the record (and that's not an opinion).
Yes, it IS an opinion. Neither Em or Snoop need to be all over the record. Neither one of their careers is going to be hurt if they aren't. Whoever Dre feels like putting on there should be who makes it. Truthfully, I want to hear that next generation of Snoops, Eminems, Hittmans, and Six-Twos. No established veteran should be monopolizing the mic time on "Detox" besides the guy whose fucking name is on the record.
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Dre should put out a promo EP with Snoop before Detox drops.
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No it's not an opinion (how tha fuck r u gonna tell me)
2nd, you're right Dre should most definitely be all over the record mainly instead of somebody else but by tha looks of it with "Kush" and "I Need A Doctor" he's probably gonna do tha same thing all over again this time and have a main feature.
3rd, it's not an opinion becuz of the science and chemistry Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre have verses Eminem and Dr. Dre. "I Need A Doctor" is ight but it holds little weight compared to anything Snoop and Dre have done in tha past (and even today), even the little kids will tell u that (go ask 1 some before u go out and assume i'm making it up).
4th, yeah it would be cool 2 have newer artists on "Detox" but then again I think Dre should stick to tha Veteran's on this album, I haven't seem a spark in any new artist on Aftermath or even in LA that could do tha damage that Snoop did or Hittman did. these aren't really debatable facts, i don't have my head stuck up my ass or letting any man-crush emotions out, it's tha truth and 9/10 people will tell u tha same (even Eminem fans would probably).
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There's 3 worlds out here nowadays... "Blogger world" (like this), "Media world" (the reviews u always get from the TV on "Entertainment Tonight" and shit like that, and "Real life society" (people you talk 2 on tha street living everyday lives, rich, middle class, or poor). 1 of them is more important than the other and that varies by tha artist.
What i said has nothing to do with marketing or anything like that, even tho I think it would be the "Safe choice" to have Snoop all over it verses Eminem all over it. Yeah Eminem will most definitely without a doubt get u tha sales but the quality won't be there. I mean sure Eminem and Snoop Dogg could share equal amount of time on "Detox" but would the album be coherent and consistent (i doubt it). I think it's safe 2 say that Eminem od'ing on "Detox" wouldn't exactly be the best choice for the album, even tho I could understand why Dre would do something like that. But it just wouldn't be right if he did.
i can tell u right now that if i waz an alien and i never even heard of music before and someone played me "Still DRE" or "Nothin But A G Thang" and then played "I Need A Doctor" and then asked me 2 pick which 1 i like better i'ma have 2 go with tha Snoop records. If Eminem was all that great then "I Need A Doctor" would be blasting out of EVERYBODY'S speakers now and it simply just isn't (at least on this side and on TV, hell even the blogs don't show that record much love so what makes u think Shady can hold "Detox" down in it's entirety like that, that's not logical and the magic just ain't there)
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snoop and em need to be on there... and not too much of anyone else in my opinion
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Snoop is gonna be on Detox but probably not as much as he was on The Chronic or even 2001
you know its not 1993 anymore
it don't have to be..but if it's dope it's dope..dre needs snoop and that whole chronic,and chronic 2001 crew.or it aint gonna happen..period.
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Snoop is gonna be on Detox but probably not as much as he was on The Chronic or even 2001
you know its not 1993 anymore
it don't have to be..but if it's dope it's dope..dre needs snoop and that whole chronic,and chronic 2001 crew.or it aint gonna happen..period.
screw recycling
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this is who i wanna hear on detox : jayo felony, snoop , kurupt, cube, em, scarface, t.i., keri hilson, jewell, rbx, nas, d.o.c., strong arm steady, soopafly, xzibit, dawaun parker, latoya williams, and mc ren.
Ill go with Em, Snoop, Kurupt, Cube, Quik, NATE, Nas, Xzibit, Crooked, DOC, WU-TANG, anyone else that was on past DRE albums.
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Detox my sausage..
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LOL get out of here with that "Snoop safe choice" shit.
Eminem is the safest choice. You either get Snoop Dogg to please some fans & listen to a bunch of shitty Snoop verses or you use Eminem, guarantee sales & likely will have better verses.
I don't even want to listen to Snoop Dogg outrapping Eminem & that's not even some pro-Eminem stan comment. That's just Snoop Dogg sucking ass.
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Snoop would eat Em alive. He still got it.
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Snoop would :banana_dss: EM.
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God, help me, I’m actually going to address this ridiculousness.
No it's not an opinion (how tha fuck r u gonna tell me)
Well, for starters because I actually can grasp the difference between an “opinion” and a “fact”.
3rd, it's not an opinion becuz of the science and chemistry Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre have verses Eminem and Dr. Dre. "I Need A Doctor" is ight but it holds little weight compared to anything Snoop and Dre have done in tha past (and even today), even the little kids will tell u that (go ask 1 some before u go out and assume i'm making it up).
As fun as the idea of shaking down small children at my local playground for arbitrary opinions on Dr. Dre collaborations sounds, I think I’ll play this one out like a normal person. Thank you very much.
4th, yeah it would be cool 2 have newer artists on "Detox" but then again I think Dre should stick to tha Veteran's on this album, I haven't seem a spark in any new artist on Aftermath or even in LA that could do tha damage that Snoop did or Hittman did. these aren't really debatable facts, i don't have my head stuck up my ass or letting any man-crush emotions out, it's tha truth and 9/10 people will tell u tha same (even Eminem fans would probably).
You’re right. These aren’t debatable facts. They are opinions. And you’re a 9 out of 10 people comment is a great little made-up stastic you pulled from out of your ass. Great job.
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There's 3 worlds out here nowadays... "Blogger world" (like this), "Media world" (the reviews u always get from the TV on "Entertainment Tonight" and shit like that, and "Real life society" (people you talk 2 on tha street living everyday lives, rich, middle class, or poor). 1 of them is more important than the other and that varies by tha artist.
No, there is one world in which we all live in and there is an Internet which is part of that world but some people try to convince themselves is a reality all in its own to justify their lack of a social existence in the outside one. I’d advise getting out into the fresh air before it gets you too.
i can tell u right now that if i waz an alien and i never even heard of music before and someone played me "Still DRE" or "Nothin But A G Thang" and then played "I Need A Doctor" and then asked me 2 pick which 1 i like better i'ma have 2 go with tha Snoop records.
If you were an alien? Alright, I was kind of being sarcastic on the last one but seriously, either check into rehab or tell Charlie Sheen to stop using your DubCnn account. If you were an alien, the music would all sound the same because you wouldn’t be able to comprehend its meaning.
If Eminem was all that great then "I Need A Doctor" would be blasting out of EVERYBODY'S speakers now and it simply just isn't
It’s getting more play than “Kush” so there goes that theory.
what makes u think Shady can hold "Detox" down in it's entirety like that, that's not logical and the magic just ain't there)
I never suggested that Shady should. I don’t think either one of them should be all over “Detox”. Snoop was good on Chronic because he was Dre’s young relatively unknown protégé who needed that push to take off as a solo artist. Both he and Eminem are more than established as their own entities so outside of being on a few tracks to take advantage of that chemistry they have with the Good Doc, a heavy presence is not necessary. Same goes for The Game.
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In what World are you guys living in? lol.
Eminem is at probably the lowest point of his career in terms of skill, but somehow it still makes Snoop look bad lol.
You can say what you want about "I Need A Doctor", but not only does Em come more correct then Snoop on "Kush", but the numbers far from lie. "Kush" has fallen off the map & "I Need A Doctor" is doing pretty good for a song you guys cry about on the regular lol.
Dre = Iovine = sales. Snoop Dogg = no sales; Eminem = high sales. It's a fairly simple forumla to follow.
Like Jimmy just said above me, I don't want either to be saturated all over the album, but if it has to be one, obviously you have to go Eminem sales & because Snoop Dogg is awful lol. Say what you want about his snippets to his upcoming album, but Malice in Wonderland was his worst album ever lol.
& Radiotube continues to prove he knows absolutely nothing lol. This guy truly believes the "world agrees" Dre & Snoop is better then Eminem & Snoop & would rather hear it. Son, you're talking for a small ass population of West Coast fans. The album sales don't lie. "Recovery" sold 5 million & did Snoop's Malice even go gold? I'm pretty sure the general public has spoken for you.
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^lmao @ this delusional fuck. Eminem is wack. Snoop may have fallen off with the last album but he can outspit Em any day of the week. And without making some gayass love dedication. I can picture this fool masturbating to the next dre and em collaboration. :D
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Snoop hasn't even been writing his own shit for at least the last two albums. I know this is a West Coast forum and all but let's push the obvious bias to the side. It's not on a knock on Snoop but there's maybe a handful of rappers that can lyrically hang with Em at the moment and Snoop ain't one of them.
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Snoop hasn't even been writing his own shit for at least the last two albums. I know this is a West Coast forum and all but let's push the obvious bias to the side. It's not on a knock on Snoop but there's maybe a handful of rappers that can lyrically hang with Em at the moment and Snoop ain't one of them.
The word of reason lol.
It goes beyond Eminem. Dre & Lil' B would be more entertaining. All you get with Snoop is you fucks that are stuck in the past get a little something to nut to.
LOL @ "outspit". Snoop wasn't "spitting" on his best album in his career. He was just making chill ass music. He couldn't "outspit" Brian Pumper.
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Chammy stays hurt snoop got on a good song with Dre (Kush) and Em made a gay luv ballad instead
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Chammy stays hurt snoop got on a good song with Dre (Kush) and Em made a gay luv ballad instead
Kush was a better song. But Snoop's verse sucks lol.
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sick verse from snoop >>>>>>>>>>>>>> em's gay luv dedication. wiggerFail.
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ppl want to see Dre wit Snoop, not Eminem - the formula works better
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sick verse from snoop >>>>>>>>>>>>>> em's gay luv dedication. wiggerFail.
LOL, "sick verse". This is coming from the same guy who isn't impressed by anyone unless they're underground & lyrical lol.
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^ this is the wigger masturbating furiously to a gay em song thinking he still has it
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^ this is the wigger masturbating furiously to a gay em song thinking he still has it
Na, Eminem wasn't that great on "I Need A Doctor". But hands down better then Snoop lol.
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^ this is the wigger masturbating furiously to a gay em song thinking he still has it
Na, Eminem wasn't that great on "I Need A Doctor". But hands down better then Snoop lol.
this wigger is the only one who would prefer a gay verse to a classic snoop flow. LMAO your sexuality card has been pulled, fruity pebbles
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^ this is the wigger masturbating furiously to a gay em song thinking he still has it
Na, Eminem wasn't that great on "I Need A Doctor". But hands down better then Snoop lol.
this wigger is the only one who would prefer a gay verse to a classic snoop flow. LMAO your sexuality card has been pulled, fruity pebbles
lol @ this child switching up his entire style of posting to troll to impress his online buddies on DBA. That's adoreable. Living the net life. :laugh:
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^of course the wiggerfag changes the topic. Hurt ;D
We all saw your first post when I Need a Doctor came out. U were drooling over that shit. Now you're trying to change your tune when you got shitted on. fagfollower.
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I definitely like the song. But it wasn't great by any standards, especially Dre standards.
But do it big, my man. Get those E-Friends. :laugh:
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HAHAHAHAH classic wigger to like a gay luv song. I bet your dick got hard watching the video when dre came back 2 life
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anyone who thinks there is any better combo then Snoop and Dre need to off themselves
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anyone who thinks there is any better combo then Snoop and Dre need to off themselves
LBIA speakin' the truth once again.
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Got a feeling slim the mobster could be the main facture, he is unkown to the masses but so was snoop pretty much before chronic and hittman on 2001.
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Chammy stays hurt snoop got on a good song with Dre (Kush) and Em made a gay luv ballad instead
Kush was a better song. But Snoop's verse sucks lol.
Still I am/tighter than the pants on Will I Am
Shit, I thought Snoop was dope on there.
As for recent Em/Dre songs, not so much. Em screaming doesn't work that well on Dre beats...for that matter,neither does the accent.
I will say this: Em and Dre on some Guilty Conscience, Bad Guys Always Die shit is almost on par with Dre and Snoop. But it still ain't the same. Snoop always picks his game up workin with Dre; Em and Dre, however, appear to have completely lost any chemistry they once had.
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Furthermore, Snoop should, and WILL, be on at least 4 songs. Em will likely be on about 2
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lol i cannot believe i am saying this but chammillionaire is talking sense in terms of marketing and making sense.
Eminem is the name these new age white kids wanna listen and you gon' sell off. I need a doctor is pretty wack but the vid is kinda dope, gives the joint some life if you ask me but anything with eminem on it does well on the charts. Crack a bottle was some of the worst music i heard in a while and that shit went to the top of the charts if im correct, so like cham said, it makes sense. Dre needs eminem to push him through in terms of numbers and get his name out there. And the song is a safe song, it aint that dope, it's more an eminem track than a dre track, its kinda eminem corny but its everything these kids love about eminem.
Now snoop, sure for the fans (not jus a few on here, hiphop fans) he is the one people would prefer to hear all over detox rather than eminem. Whether y'all like it or not snoop n dre make better music together than eminem n dre, its basic common knowledge within hiphop. Sure its true, not everyone will agree and there aint no such thing as facts in these sorta things but y'all livin in another world if you think snoop n dre are not recognized as the best collabo around in hiphop dre involved. Maybe eminem groupies will disagree and there are a whole bunch of passionate eminem groupies around but if u just an eminem fan and a snoop fan, you should be able to appreciate the history and chemistry between the two.
Like cham said, for marketing it makes sense to have eminem on the joint but if y'all want better music and thats what detox is, MUSIC, dre and snoop is a better combo imo. I diasagree with teecee though, i dont think snoop will be on 4 songs unless the album is quite large. I think he'll be on about the same amount of tracks or more than eminem but if the album is short, neither will be 'mainly' featured on it. I'm hoping for a raw xzibit verse on the album, roll back the years.
As for kush, it is without doubt a better track than i need a doctor and snoop had a dope ass verse on there, flow was on point too, get the fuck out with that hatin bullshit about that being weak, BUT numbers don't lie and i need a doctor is a bigger track.
Im kinda bored with all the detox hype, get the album out...dre aint a shadow of what he used to be so just release it. He aint getting tracks out which he fully produced...maybe he cannot take as much credit for doing less as before past the drum pattern and mixing with how stringent the game is today or maybe dude just does not have it and the people around him to make fire anymore. I remember dre passing leftovers to niggaz on the west like mack 10 for nothing basically cuz they throwaways that would sound like fire compared to some of the shit he been doing in recent times. Everyones fire sometime fades, even the greatest in everything, new cats come and they hungry, fresh, new ideas and new tehcniques etc....
BUT dre, just go out with a bang... ;D some of the next episode sorta next level shit beats, and everyone will love it! Just release it, who gives a fuck who is on it at this stage, we'll do all the hating and praising after its come out!
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^I know my shit. 8) ;D
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^I know my shit. 8) ;D
Do you talk to it? Does it listen? Does it talk to you? :psych:
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Don't kid yourself. I Need a Doctor was about to fall the fuck off the charts before they performed it at the grammies. Kush would've had the same reaction if it had been promoted as much..
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Don't kid yourself. I Need a Doctor was about to fall the fuck off the charts before they performed it at the grammies. Kush would've had the same reaction if it had been promoted as much..
& then the music video.
Eminem is the most popular Hip Hop artist to date. Not debatable.
If Eminem come correct on 50's upcoming single, you can already take that one to the bank lol.
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Now snoop, sure for the fans (not jus a few on here, hiphop fans) he is the one people would prefer to hear all over detox rather than eminem. Whether y'all like it or not snoop n dre make better music together than eminem n dre, its basic common knowledge within hiphop. Sure its true, not everyone will agree and there aint no such thing as facts in these sorta things but y'all livin in another world if you think snoop n dre are not recognized as the best collabo around in hiphop dre involved. Maybe eminem groupies will disagree and there are a whole bunch of passionate eminem groupies around but if u just an eminem fan and a snoop fan, you should be able to appreciate the history and chemistry between the two.
I both agree and disagree with your statement. I'm a fan of both Snoop and Em but here's how I see it. When it comes to collaborations with Dre rapping on the same record with them, Snoop is the winner. The chemistry is just there. But to me, Dre and Snoop are the best duo in hip-hop, outside of possibly EPMD. In terms of making better music, I think if it's strictly solo rocking over Dre production, Eminem is the better artist. I can't imagine anyone taking those beats Dre did for him on Marshall Mathers LP and coming up with the kind of shit Em did. It's kind of a difficult argument to make on this kind of forum where it's so many West Coast heads but forget that Em is psycho white boy pop artist and forget what kind of music you prefer and really listen to where Em goes on some of this stuff.
But as it pertains to the original point of the thread, I still stand by the opinion that neither of these guys should be the main collaborative focus of this album. Either way you cut it, it's overselling to a certain portion of the fanbase. Bring these guys in when they are needed but if there is such a strong point to work with these veterans, Dre should get to fucking with them on their albums. This "Detox" project is one of those rare chances for some younger cats to get some shine. For both the West Coast and the Dr. Dre brand to stay relevant for the long term, it needs to be about more than Snoop/Eminem/Game.
Don't kid yourself. I Need a Doctor was about to fall the fuck off the charts before they performed it at the grammies. Kush would've had the same reaction if it had been promoted as much..
Can’t say I agree. It might have worked as a follow-up to INAD but I just plain don’t buy the “if it were promoted more” argument in this case. Interscope needs Detox. If they could have made Kush a hit, they would have. They have no reason to hold out on product they profit off of. Eminem’s last album is still selling well so it wasn’t like he needed a hit to appease his ego. Timing was just right on that one.
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I know my shit. 8) ;D
more like u stated the obvious which I and everybody else already pointed out in here and already knew[/color][/font]. Eminem = Sales.... duh, u don't even have 2 like Rap music 2 know that.
Snoop Dogg over a Dre beat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eminem over a Dre beat
^^^ that's not bias that's just fact; science doesn't lie
Even when they play "I Need A Doctor" on 106th and Park the reaction from Terrance, Roxy, and the audience is stale... it's like okay it's Eminem big whoop now who's coming out on stage next. The hood and Black people just don't feel the same way about Eminem and y'all can use all of tha reverse racism ploys all u want to but it's a FACT and Jimmy H and Cham and whoever else wanna step out there can suck my dick.
Eminem is White people's 2Pac so when people talk about him you get this feeling of color blindness and sheer godlikeness to say tha least but that doesn't mean EVERYBODY is feeling Eminem like that, whether you're black, latino, asian, or whatever. Eminem is cool but he's not important and the fact that nobody wants to admit in here is that the Rap game can live and survive without Eminem, even to the point where it's like he's never even been here.
Eminem could've had literally ANY producer in the rap game produce his album and did what he's done (another fact that nobody wants to admit at all). In fact most of the songs on his albums are produced by other producers (something nobody wants to bring up). Dr. Dre just gave Eminem that nostalgia, he didn't actually give Eminem anything we haven't heard before, even before "Relapse" Eminem could've retired and still have been just as big. "I Need A Doctor" is on some Euro-Pop shit, it might be big overseas but not in our communities. I respect both of em but let's all not get 2 actin' like Eminem doesn't sell becuz he's a white dude backed behind Dr. Dre who up until Eminem's discover was literally a GOD OF MUSIC period.
Honestly (i have no reason to lie), if niggaz were really feeling Eminem like that then I would admit it and happilily admit to it (I'm a fan 1st and it's not like I hate Eminem lol) but we're not and that's just that, it iz what it iz. I can garantee you that if Eminem is all over "Detox" then that shit will die with niggaz quick (like asap) and that wouldn't have SHIT to do with "the times"... mark my words
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In what World are you guys living in? lol.
Eminem is at probably the lowest point of his career in terms of skill, but somehow it still makes Snoop look bad lol.
You can say what you want about "I Need A Doctor", but not only does Em come more correct then Snoop on "Kush", but the numbers far from lie. "Kush" has fallen off the map & "I Need A Doctor" is doing pretty good for a song you guys cry about on the regular lol.
Dre = Iovine = sales. Snoop Dogg = no sales; Eminem = high sales. It's a fairly simple forumla to follow.
Like Jimmy just said above me, I don't want either to be saturated all over the album, but if it has to be one, obviously you have to go Eminem sales & because Snoop Dogg is awful lol. Say what you want about his snippets to his upcoming album, but Malice in Wonderland was his worst album ever lol.
& Radiotube continues to prove he knows absolutely nothing lol. This guy truly believes the "world agrees" Dre & Snoop is better then Eminem & Snoop & would rather hear it. Son, you're talking for a small ass population of West Coast fans. The album sales don't lie. "Recovery" sold 5 million & did Snoop's Malice even go gold? I'm pretty sure the general public has spoken for you.
Em lowest point of his career?? Are you serious? I mean, I know his music has changed and people prefer his older shit (like myself) but his skills are same or better IMO.
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Too bad more White people buy albums, hence why Eminem will be on Detox more often then Snoop.
I can't really imagine "Detox" being a solid (and sellable) record with abuncha Aftermath/Shady/Eminem features.
But yeah. GTFO here with that "I already point out that Em = sales". Obviously didn't think so when you made the thread lol.
You need to get out of your fantasy world where only Black people listen to Hip Hop & if they're not happy with it, it's going to be a "complete fail". Mainstream artists sell albums. It's their job.
You think Black people loved "Recovery"? Obviously not. Some White people didn't, but it sold five million.
You're beyond ignorant.
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Snoop hasn't even been writing his own shit for at least the last two albums. I know this is a West Coast forum and all but let's push the obvious bias to the side. It's not on a knock on Snoop but there's maybe a handful of rappers that can lyrically hang with Em at the moment and Snoop ain't one of them.
Completely agree. I mean I love Snoop and he is a legend but EM is in a whole other level. Only a handful is correct.
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In what World are you guys living in? lol.
Eminem is at probably the lowest point of his career in terms of skill, but somehow it still makes Snoop look bad lol.
You can say what you want about "I Need A Doctor", but not only does Em come more correct then Snoop on "Kush", but the numbers far from lie. "Kush" has fallen off the map & "I Need A Doctor" is doing pretty good for a song you guys cry about on the regular lol.
Dre = Iovine = sales. Snoop Dogg = no sales; Eminem = high sales. It's a fairly simple forumla to follow.
Like Jimmy just said above me, I don't want either to be saturated all over the album, but if it has to be one, obviously you have to go Eminem sales & because Snoop Dogg is awful lol. Say what you want about his snippets to his upcoming album, but Malice in Wonderland was his worst album ever lol.
& Radiotube continues to prove he knows absolutely nothing lol. This guy truly believes the "world agrees" Dre & Snoop is better then Eminem & Snoop & would rather hear it. Son, you're talking for a small ass population of West Coast fans. The album sales don't lie. "Recovery" sold 5 million & did Snoop's Malice even go gold? I'm pretty sure the general public has spoken for you.
Em lowest point of his career?? Are you serious? I mean, I know his music has changed and people prefer his older shit (like myself) but his skills are same or better IMO.
Not a fan of his screaming at all. "Recovery" was his worst album, in my opinion.
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son get out of this fantasy world where u think I (or anybody else) don't know what i'm saying. you can screw tha words up all u want but u know what i mean... how u thought of "...a world where only black people listen to hip hop..." is beyond me. it just sounds like u ran outta shit 2 say. but that's what u usually do when somebody checks ur ass, you run around and act like u don't know and throw a temper tantrum using reverse analogies. forum og's and members know tho so....
that's y u sit around literally all day waiting to "correct" me and other people. you're insecure and your searching 4 knowledge.
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sick verse from snoop >>>>>>>>>>>>>> em's gay luv dedication. wiggerFail.
LOL, "sick verse". This is coming from the same guy who isn't impressed by anyone unless they're underground & lyrical lol.
HAHA true! He supposedly listens to Gift of Gab, Blu, Aceyalone but says Snoop is better than Em??? That's why I don't take him serious anymore.
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sick verse from snoop >>>>>>>>>>>>>> em's gay luv dedication. wiggerFail.
LOL, "sick verse". This is coming from the same guy who isn't impressed by anyone unless they're underground & lyrical lol.
HAHA true! He supposedly listens to Gift of Gab, Blu, Aceyalone but says Snoop is better than Em??? That's why I don't take him serious anymore.
Lyrically no, Snoop isn't better... Overall yes, Snoop is better.
Years from now people will only remember Eminem becuz he was "the white rapper" but people will always remember Snoop Dogg becuz he stood out in a very long and diverse list of Entertainers... y'all will see. You're grandkids will feel tha same way about Eminem as white kids felt about Elvis in the early to mid 2000's
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LOL, RADIOTUBE. Read your OG post & the one you just made before this one.
The entire thing is "Black people ain't feelin' this", "Black people ain't feelin' that". "We (Black people) wanna hear Snoop over a Dre beat, not Eminem". "I was watching BET, none of them cared".
Like you really think Interscope gives a fuck or something lol.
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In what World are you guys living in? lol.
Eminem is at probably the lowest point of his career in terms of skill, but somehow it still makes Snoop look bad lol.
You can say what you want about "I Need A Doctor", but not only does Em come more correct then Snoop on "Kush", but the numbers far from lie. "Kush" has fallen off the map & "I Need A Doctor" is doing pretty good for a song you guys cry about on the regular lol.
Dre = Iovine = sales. Snoop Dogg = no sales; Eminem = high sales. It's a fairly simple forumla to follow.
Like Jimmy just said above me, I don't want either to be saturated all over the album, but if it has to be one, obviously you have to go Eminem sales & because Snoop Dogg is awful lol. Say what you want about his snippets to his upcoming album, but Malice in Wonderland was his worst album ever lol.
& Radiotube continues to prove he knows absolutely nothing lol. This guy truly believes the "world agrees" Dre & Snoop is better then Eminem & Snoop & would rather hear it. Son, you're talking for a small ass population of West Coast fans. The album sales don't lie. "Recovery" sold 5 million & did Snoop's Malice even go gold? I'm pretty sure the general public has spoken for you.
Em lowest point of his career?? Are you serious? I mean, I know his music has changed and people prefer his older shit (like myself) but his skills are same or better IMO.
Not a fan of his screaming at all. "Recovery" was his worst album, in my opinion.
Well you see, that's the problem. I don't like his "voices" either or screaming but I'm not talking about his Voice, Im talking about SKILL. I didn't like recovery at all but Eminem rarely comes weak. You might not like him or his style but nobody can deny his SKILL. The guy is literally a fucken MONSTER as an MC.
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sick verse from snoop >>>>>>>>>>>>>> em's gay luv dedication. wiggerFail.
LOL, "sick verse". This is coming from the same guy who isn't impressed by anyone unless they're underground & lyrical lol.
HAHA true! He supposedly listens to Gift of Gab, Blu, Aceyalone but says Snoop is better than Em??? That's why I don't take him serious anymore.
Lyrically no, Snoop isn't better... Overall yes, Snoop is better.
Years from now people will only remember Eminem becuz he was "the white rapper" but people will always remember Snoop Dogg becuz he stood out in a very long and diverse list of Entertainers... y'all will see. You're grandkids will feel tha same way about Eminem as white kids felt about Elvis in the early to mid 2000's
What is OVERALL?
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if that's all u took from my thread then....smh, i'll get over it
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sick verse from snoop >>>>>>>>>>>>>> em's gay luv dedication. wiggerFail.
LOL, "sick verse". This is coming from the same guy who isn't impressed by anyone unless they're underground & lyrical lol.
HAHA true! He supposedly listens to Gift of Gab, Blu, Aceyalone but says Snoop is better than Em??? That's why I don't take him serious anymore.
Lyrically no, Snoop isn't better... Overall yes, Snoop is better.
Years from now people will only remember Eminem becuz he was "the white rapper" but people will always remember Snoop Dogg becuz he stood out in a very long and diverse list of Entertainers... y'all will see. You're grandkids will feel tha same way about Eminem as white kids felt about Elvis in the early to mid 2000's
LOL. Name me the ten best Snoop Dogg songs, I'll name you the ten best Eminem songs. You're mad because you're racist & Eminem dominated a Black thing.
Snoop Dogg will always be remembered, but he's already more remembered for some novelty weed smokin' figure than he is a rapper.
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First of all, to make things clear, I agree with most people here saying that Snoop is better with Dre. That combination is probably the greatest. Snoop is a multi talented individual and I have always respected him as an MC. I mean the guy can make different types of music and his OLD school Hip Hop albums are classic. He is one of my favorite all time. But the REALITY is that Eminem is a better lyricist. When it comes to raw SKILL, Eminem is one of the greatest. Em is not even my favorite MC but like I said before, you just can't deny his talent. He gets respect from the underground to the mainstream. He is well respected by the greatest Hip Hop legends, from Old to New. Nobody can deny that.
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What is OVERALL?
Snoop is just better. Most of tha tracks on Eminem's albums are garbage. The singles and a few verses here and there is what makes Eminem stand out. I NEVER understood the whole mystique and aura of "The Marshall Mathers LP", i actually brought that album and was so disappointed becuz it didn't live up 2 it's hype, he wasn't even disrespecting gay people like that (if hardly at all).
Eminem is a product of a white boy rapper who got cool with a top black entertainer/spokesman/legendary musician, he was never anything special 2 begin with besides that fact that he had flow and a few bars that were extremely mean here n there. that's why he stays in that whole "hailey, kim" lane, he knows he's nothing without it.
Snoop Dogg on the other hand is way more entertaining (even tho i admit dude can be corny as fuck, especially recently with the never ending "izzle" and trying to talk all "hip-like"). Snoop has character, that's something Eminem never had and that goes a very long way. Yeah he's dropped some corny shit but what's this... his 11th ALBUM/46th MIXTAPE, i mean what else can an artists do (in any genre). I mean we can debate on who's better all day and nobody is trying to take anything away from Eminem becuz I'd definitely be delusional if I said he didn't have an EMpact or Social relevance (or any skill 4 that matter) but he's not all what some people and the media have made him seem like all of these years. When he "first came out" he was the shit and I was hooked and was a hardcore fan (like y'all) but then once "encore" dropped it kinda killed my whole high 4 Eminem, and then it got worse with "Relapse" and "The Re Up" and "Recovery".
I hate to sound like a fair whether fan or one of those people who are like "his old shit is better than his new shit" but it's safe 2 say that HIS OLD SHIT IS BETTER THAN HIS NEW SHIT AND his old shit isn't even all that great. "Infinite" used 2 be 1 of my albums so I KNOW all about Eminem but really tho, he just hasn't been that hot in tha last part of the decade and his shit before that was mediocre.
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LMAO @ this clown with his "scientific facts" about who is better between Snoop and Eminem and laugh even harder at Dre "literally" being a GOD OF MUSIC before he discovered Eminem. To say that Eminem is not important or relevant to modern hip-hop culture perfectly illustrates your ignorance to the bigger picture. You can narrow it down to whatever racial or geographical or worldy terms you want, it's the same thing I tell love33, no matter what fucking community or city you represent, you're still touching less than 1% of the fucking country so your personal perception of how the public receives anything is no stronger than anyone elses.
It's not a reverse racism thing at all. It's more like talking down on what's popular just because it's popular. It's people whose insecurity won't let them admit they enjoy music that is mainstream. I see the same thing with Jay-Z and other artists. You can have an artist that is fucking great but once the white kids or the crossover audience embraces them, they have to champion some other artist who is nowhere near as good to be "better" because his video isn't on MTV. I'm not saying there aren't a whole shit load of garbage artists that are on MTV but popular music has always been hit and miss.
Bottom line it's pointless to compare facts with someone who can't even distinguish the difference between "fact" and "opinion". Saying one artist is better than another is a matter of "opinion". You can write "THAT'S A FACT!" after it all you want, capitalize, make it bold, throw in eleven exclamation points, underline it, and use the biggest font possible. Nothing has changed. It's still an opinion. Literally.
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You're mad because you're racist & Eminem dominated a Black thing.
I have 2 remember that you're 18 years old so you don't comprehend the world quite like you should just yet (let alone that you're a die hard Eminem fan).
But i have 2 ignore u from here on out. I can't deal with children well, which is 1 of the reasons why i don't want any yet. But that's what u do faithfully tho, as soon as u don't like/understand something somebody says u get all defensive like that and i'm gonna deal with you, i don't have tha time or the patience to deal with an 18 year old white kid (i thought u were in college, liar but whatever).
They always say "look at the source" and you're just not the 1 or the type. You handle things way too immaturely and it shows and your reasons for Eminem >>> Snoop Dogg on "Detox" is quite obvious. I'm a scholar of this game and have studied it for years and years, i've actually made music for years, and have a passion and sense of this game, i've made mixes that've sold considerably well in the streets, i grew up and WITNESSED the very artist u worship and talk about for years, and on top of that i'm only 22 and just turnt 22 at that a couple months ago and still have until the end of December until I'm 23.
Your reasons don't hold enough weight and neither do your comebacks, you're talkin loud but ain't saying nothing (plus your shallow and it shows).
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LMAO @ this clown with his "scientific facts" about who is better between Snoop and Eminem
you dont understand music chemistry, that's ok
and laugh even harder at Dre "literally" being a GOD OF MUSIC before he discovered Eminem.
you definitely don't know what tha fuck you're talking about now. i dont even have 2 explain what Andre Young has done for music
To say that Eminem is not important or relevant to modern hip-hop culture perfectly illustrates your ignorance to the bigger picture.
I never said that (i said the opposite). but it's the late night so i guess you're bored and just fuckin wit me
You can narrow it down to whatever racial or geographical or worldy terms you want, it's the same thing I tell love33, no matter what fucking community or city you represent, you're still touching less than 1% of the fucking country so your personal perception of how the public receives anything is no stronger than anyone elses.
you don't really know how i view shit or how wide i view it... next. but i will say that my answer to that does ly within this thread (about 12 or 13 times)
It's not a reverse racism thing at all. It's more like talking down on what's popular just because it's popular. It's people whose insecurity won't let them admit they enjoy music that is mainstream. I see the same thing with Jay-Z and other artists. You can have an artist that is fucking great but once the white kids or the crossover audience embraces them, they have to champion some other artist who is nowhere near as good to be "better" because his video isn't on MTV. I'm not saying there aren't a whole shit load of garbage artists that are on MTV but popular music has always been hit and miss.
So how do u feel about Gucci Mane and Rick Ross (honestly)... none of that "i think they suck but..." shit
Bottom line it's pointless to compare facts with someone who can't even distinguish the difference between "fact" and "opinion". Saying one artist is better than another is a matter of "opinion". You can write "THAT'S A FACT!" after it all you want, capitalize, make it bold, throw in eleven exclamation points, underline it, and use the biggest font possible. Nothing has changed. It's still an opinion. Literally.
Young Jeezy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Austin Green
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What is OVERALL?
Snoop is just better. Most of tha tracks on Eminem's albums are garbage. The singles and a few verses here and there is what makes Eminem stand out. I NEVER understood the whole mystique and aura of "The Marshall Mathers LP", i actually brought that album and was so disappointed becuz it didn't live up 2 it's hype, he wasn't even disrespecting gay people like that (if hardly at all).
Eminem is a product of a white boy rapper who got cool with a top black entertainer/spokesman/legendary musician, he was never anything special 2 begin with besides that fact that he had flow and a few bars that were extremely mean here n there. that's why he stays in that whole "hailey, kim" lane, he knows he's nothing without it.
Snoop Dogg on the other hand is way more entertaining (even tho i admit dude can be corny as fuck, especially recently with the never ending "izzle" and trying to talk all "hip-like"). Snoop has character, that's something Eminem never had and that goes a very long way. Yeah he's dropped some corny shit but what's this... his 11th ALBUM/46th MIXTAPE, i mean what else can an artists do (in any genre). I mean we can debate on who's better all day and nobody is trying to take anything away from Eminem becuz I'd definitely be delusional if I said he didn't have an EMpact or Social relevance (or any skill 4 that matter) but he's not all what some people and the media have made him seem like all of these years. When he "first came out" he was the shit and I was hooked and was a hardcore fan (like y'all) but then once "encore" dropped it kinda killed my whole high 4 Eminem, and then it got worse with "Relapse" and "The Re Up" and "Recovery".
I hate to sound like a fair whether fan or one of those people who are like "his old shit is better than his new shit" but it's safe 2 say that HIS OLD SHIT IS BETTER THAN HIS NEW SHIT AND his old shit isn't even all that great. "Infinite" used 2 be 1 of my albums so I KNOW all about Eminem but really tho, he just hasn't been that hot in tha last part of the decade and his shit before that was mediocre.
Shit, I really don't even know what to say haha. I mean I agree with Snoop being Unique and his classic Flow etc etc but to say most of Em's tracks are garbage is not accurate. Yes, I agree he exaggerates with his flow's and changing in voices but If you are able to ignore that (I know its hard), I doubt you would say that. I just think you need to LISTEN more. Study his RAPS and the complexity on how he rhymes. The way he writes and his CRAAZY concepts. He adds so many elements to his rapping that only ignorant people wont catch. I mean KRS1 recently pointed out how the 3AM track was work of a "GENIUS". That statement comes from one of the FATHERS and ORIGINATORS of Hip Hop. I actually thought RELAPSE was a CRAAAZy album. He literally went psycho in that album (Pun Intended). I was actually reading about the song "SAME SONG AND DANCE" a while back, how some people think the whole track was a METAPHOR. Many people think he is just a psycho telling stories of killing people but the reality is that he is the PILL! He plays the role of the Pill the whole time. These are things that make him great. I can go on forever with other examples but it's hard to explain and for people to understand. The more complexity you show in your rhymes, the more skill you show. I will guarantee you Eminem will be remembered for more than just that "white boy". You just don't understand.
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I mean we can debate on who's better all day and nobody is trying to take anything away from Eminem becuz I'd definitely be delusional if I said he didn't have an EMpact or Social relevance (or any skill 4 that matter) but he's not all what some people and the media have made him seem like all of these years.
Your statements are contradictory within themselves but I will certainly agree with the last part though I will broaden it a little and say that it applies to nearly every famous person in existence. None of them are as great as what the media and their fans build them up to be. Not Eminem. Not Dr. Dre. Not Tupac. Not Michael Jordan. Not Tiger Woods. Not anybody. They are all talented people who through a good support system, hard work, and a little bit of luck became stars. We put them on pedestals because they're gifted at their craft but at the end of the day, they are all flesh and blood human beings who go through the same struggles as everyone else walking the planet. We relate to them because something in what they do speaks to us and our situation but for all the hype from the media or the record labels or their P.R. people, they aren't Gods, literal or otherwise. If any of those artists mentioned did not have a major media conglomerate investing their money into pumping their image and music into our homes, we wouldn't be talking about any of them today. They're all pop artists. You can dress it up all you want but all those West Coast acts we "grew up on" came across our radar because labels like Interscope, Jive, Sony, whoever, pumped money into putting their music and image on our TV sets, radios, and the movies we watched. We weren't buying N.W.A demo tapes out of the back of cars, we were buying them at the local CD shop with a Priority logo on them.
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Shoulda been more Snoop on 2001........ who knows what other beats Dre has on Detox :-\
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Oh i know that Eminem is a lyrical beast, no doubt about it and I'm a scholar of this game (and will always be) so I have studied it, at tha same time I've studied literally hundreds or thousands of other artists too. But when you're like "i know it's hard to get past" is kinda like the breaking point of where i need 2 stop becuz that's important, if i can't listen to u for more than 30 seconds then it's a problem and not just with me either lol.
I'm not tryna fade Eminem but for a record like "Detox" tho, the whole aura and mystique behind it, the legacy of Dr. Dre's music, his last album.... Eminem just doesn't cut it playing that "co-star" role. "Detox" has to be organic first and foremost, it's not just another Eminem record, and "Detox" has to be hard and everything we've imagined (At least close to it) of what it should be. If Dr. Dre uses Eminem as that sidekick role I'm telling you right now it's gonna be "Relapse" and "Recovery" all over again, and we all know how people feel about those albums. Single(s)-wise Eminem is the perfect choice, albumwise he's not.
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I mean we can debate on who's better all day and nobody is trying to take anything away from Eminem becuz I'd definitely be delusional if I said he didn't have an EMpact or Social relevance (or any skill 4 that matter) but he's not all what some people and the media have made him seem like all of these years.
Your statements are contradictory within themselves but I will certainly agree with the last part though I will broaden it a little and say that it applies to nearly every famous person in existence. None of them are as great as what the media and their fans build them up to be. Not Eminem. Not Dr. Dre. Not Tupac. Not Michael Jordan. Not Tiger Woods. Not anybody. They are all talented people who through a good support system, hard work, and a little bit of luck became stars. We put them on pedestals because they're gifted at their craft but at the end of the day, they are all flesh and blood human beings who go through the same struggles as everyone else walking the planet. We relate to them because something in what they do speaks to us and our situation but for all the hype from the media or the record labels or their P.R. people, they aren't Gods, literal or otherwise. If any of those artists mentioned did not have a major media conglomerate investing their money into pumping their image and music into our homes, we wouldn't be talking about any of them today. They're all pop artists. You can dress it up all you want but all those West Coast acts we "grew up on" came across our radar because labels like Interscope, Jive, Sony, whoever, pumped money into putting their music and image on our TV sets, radios, and the movies we watched. We weren't buying N.W.A demo tapes out of the back of cars, we were buying them at the local CD shop with a Priority logo on them.
^^^ u know what i hate the most about technology (at this particular SECOND) is that when it comes to blogs people always try 2 tear down everything u say.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=264593.0
oh and my statements aren't contradictory at all, u just want them 2 be
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This guy completely dodged name me Snoop's ten best song.
This guy don't want it.
Snoop Dogg has one great album. If anything most on the songs on Snoop's CD's are garbage. Outside of "Doggystyle" Snoop doesn't have one album without half the songs being "whatever".
Em has three classics & three average CDs. Snoop has one classic & like nine average to very below average CDs.
This shouldn't even be a topic for debate, but Mr. Shock Value is in the building so surprise, surprise.
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Oh i know that Eminem is a lyrical beast, no doubt about it and I'm a scholar of this game (and will always be) so I have studied it, at tha same time I've studied literally hundreds or thousands of other artists too. But when you're like "i know it's hard to get past" is kinda like the breaking point of where i need 2 stop becuz that's important, if i can't listen to u for more than 30 seconds then it's a problem and not just with me either lol.
I'm not tryna fade Eminem but for a record like "Detox" tho, the whole aura and mystique behind it, the legacy of Dr. Dre's music, his last album.... Eminem just doesn't cut it playing that "co-star" role. "Detox" has to be organic first and foremost, it's not just another Eminem record, and "Detox" has to be hard and everything we've imagined (At least close to it) of what it should be. If Dr. Dre uses Eminem as that sidekick role I'm telling you right now it's gonna be "Relapse" and "Recovery" all over again, and we all know how people feel about those albums. Single(s)-wise Eminem is the perfect choice, albumwise he's not.
Cmon dawg, I mean Relapse wasn't that bad. I understand if you didn't like Em's flow and voice on those records but the BEATS and Lyrics were Stupid sick. Dre had some fucken heaters on that. Recovery was trash as far as production IMO but Relapse has some tight shit. Relapse did not sound as commercial as Recovery. Relapse had some sick beats that fit Em's concepts. They were on some Horror, Psycho, Killing shit. I thought Dre had some Craaazy tracks but that's only my opinion. You should Listen to it again and i recommend some of that CALI KUSH so you can grasp and absorb the beat and lyrics haha.
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LOL. "I have studied literally hundreds or THOUSANDS of other artists too."
That's great lol.
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LMAO @ this clown with his "scientific facts" about who is better between Snoop and Eminem
you dont understand music chemistry, that's ok
I understand music chemistry fine. However, while I “agree” that Snoop and Dre have better chemistry on their collaborations than Em and Dre. The fact still remains, this is MY OPINION, not a proven fact.
and laugh even harder at Dre "literally" being a GOD OF MUSIC before he discovered Eminem.
you definitely don't know what tha fuck you're talking about now. i dont even have 2 explain what Andre Young has done for music
I understand a great deal about what Andre Young has done for music. However, that does not make him “literally” a God. Literally means he’s actually a God. He isn’t. For instance if I comment on a fight to my friend and say, “He took this dude’s head off with a punch”, the implication would be that he hit him really hard but anyone with a basic understanding of language would get the exaggeration. If I say, he “literally” took this dude’s head off, it implies that the statement which would normally be read as an exaggeration is not and I’m telling the story as it actually happened. Hence by you saying, “Dre was literally a God of music before he discovered Eminem” tells me that you have no idea what the word “literally” means or how it’s properly used or you’re under the false delusion that Andre Young was actually a higher power prior to 1998.
You can narrow it down to whatever racial or geographical or worldy terms you want, it's the same thing I tell love33, no matter what fucking community or city you represent, you're still touching less than 1% of the fucking country so your personal perception of how the public receives anything is no stronger than anyone elses.
you don't really know how i view shit or how wide i view it... next. but i will say that my answer to that does ly within this thread (about 12 or 13 times)
You’re right that I don’t know how you view shit. However, I do know that no matter how powerful a person is in status or socially-active he or she is, they can only occupy one space at one time. No matter what city/town you’re in and how much you move around, your perception of the social scene will only be that of the ground you cover. You can be the hottest shit in New York or Compton or wherever but that’s still just a small portion of the overall population. If you hang out at clubs, you only know what the club perception of things is. If you’re a mainstay in the hood, you only know what the block is talking about. You see what I’m getting at. You can’t tell me what black America is feeling because you talked to thirty or a hundred or even a thousand people or because you watched the crowd reaction at a BET taping. Have some sense please. There’s a word for gaging perceptions of an entire race on the handful of people you meet or see on TV. It’s stereotyping.
It's not a reverse racism thing at all. It's more like talking down on what's popular just because it's popular. It's people whose insecurity won't let them admit they enjoy music that is mainstream. I see the same thing with Jay-Z and other artists. You can have an artist that is fucking great but once the white kids or the crossover audience embraces them, they have to champion some other artist who is nowhere near as good to be "better" because his video isn't on MTV. I'm not saying there aren't a whole shit load of garbage artists that are on MTV but popular music has always been hit and miss.
So how do u feel about Gucci Mane and Rick Ross (honestly)... none of that "i think they suck but..." shit
Truthfully based on the music I’ve heard from either, I’m not a fan. If I heard them before they were big, I probably would have said the same. If they put out music that I actually dug, I wouldn’t be afraid to admit it whether it was on MTV everyday or not. I enjoy good music period. Am I supposed to be ashamed of liking an artist that makes good music because some twelve-year-old preppie kid likes it too? Why should I lie to myself? It’s just music.
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oh and my statements aren't contradictory at all, u just want them 2 be
I could care less whether they or they aren't. It's not making or breaking me but to say that "the Rap game can live and survive without Eminem, even to the point where it's like he's never even been here" in regards to his importance directly contradicts your statement that "denying his impact or relevance" would be delusional. To say that an industry could survive in the exact same form today without someone's contributions is saying they were not relevant to it at all.
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Detox was posed to be the most advanced rap album...over the 10 years they said stuff like it was going to be surround n shit.
kush n i need a doctor are nothing tracks...really.
the doc should advance some careers rather than putting out an album i think. Groom Nipsey or some new wc artist.