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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: KWayz on April 05, 2011, 07:34:55 PM
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Ouchhhhh
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Times have changed. It's not Snoop's fault, it's the industry. Nobody buys albums anymore. The internet fucked everything up.
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the album is good, and not really surprised by the sales....
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Times have changed. It's not Snoop's fault, it's the industry. Nobody buys albums anymore. The internet fucked everything up.
It is his fault for not having a monster single and album sucked, deal with it.
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just as expected.
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no single = no album sales
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Been banging this album since it came out, shit is a banger, that's what counts
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Times have changed. It's not Snoop's fault, it's the industry. Nobody buys albums anymore. The internet fucked everything up.
It is his fault for not having a monster single and album sucked, deal with it.
Lol @ you telling me to deal with it when I couldn't care less what the album sold. I haven't even bothered to listen to the motherfucker yet, that's how much I care. Deal with this dick in ya mouth.
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Snoop needs to take his time and actually put some work into his next album. Doggumentary sounds like it should have been a mixtape.
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Weak
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Times have changed. It's not Snoop's fault, it's the industry. Nobody buys albums anymore. The internet fucked everything up.
It is his fault for not having a monster single and album sucked, deal with it.
Lol @ you telling me to deal with it when I couldn't care less what the album sold. I haven't even bothered to listen to the motherfucker yet, that's how much I care. Deal with this dick in ya mouth.
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Not at all. I just felt compelled to tell you why what you said didn't make any sense. Kindly fuck off please.
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For today's standards it is an okay album. I'm not gonna get into all kinds of details, but for instance the song Superman w/ Willie Nelson...WTF? Why would snoop put that on his album? I get the fact that maybe those 2 admire each other and wanted to work together...fine. Make a track. Put it on Itunes, or just give it away for free. But it is decisions like putting it on his album which make for average albums.
I haven't bought a snoop album for years...I think the last one I bought was Paid the cost. so I don't know who he has been having as executive producer of his albums, but I'm guessing it is himself. He needs to change that.
Snoop is a great rapper, and he has showcased that more than enough times. That is his bread and butter - rapping. He needs other people around him to create an album. He needs to rap to a blueprint. He needs direction.
I'm not knocking the man, it is just my opinion of what he needs if he ever wants to create another classic or even near classic album.
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Weak
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Times have changed. It's not Snoop's fault, it's the industry. Nobody buys albums anymore. The internet fucked everything up.
exactly, INTERNET RUINED MUSIC!
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Been banging this album since it came out, shit is a banger, that's what counts
its an ok album, better than his last 2 albums, i bought it and been bumpin it a lil bit.....
and i like the willie nelson feature... willie the man!
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Album is wack IMO 50k is good for the quality of the album.
LOL @ who tell us there is no single
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Times have changed. It's not Snoop's fault, it's the industry. Nobody buys albums anymore. The internet fucked everything up.
exactly, INTERNET RUINED MUSIC!
no it didn't.
the labels are just in denial
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for all those saying its industry...go see wiz khalifa, who is a debut artist...
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Times have changed. It's not Snoop's fault, it's the industry. Nobody buys albums anymore. The internet fucked everything up.
that argument is such bullshit.
A lot of artists still sell. Pick a dope single and have the right promotion. and if the label does not provide it DO IT YOUR SELF!
There are no excuses other than pickin weak singles.
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Sweat gets hella play on the radio, I don't expect snoop to sell much these days anyway
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Said it before and I'ma say it again.
Rap 'fans' killed rap.
People just don't wanna pay for music..
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same sales almost as his last album
I dont think the internet had anything to do with it
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People just don't wanna pay for music..
that is a shame!
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Snoops sales are a little disappointing but props to E-40 for getting both his albums in the top 50.
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major problem is the Marketing and the executive part, pushing a 15 years old kid to rap about gangbanging is wrong, a whole album about being Snoop D-O double G is wrong, its like he doesnt have anything else to talk about, thats kind of disapointing, dude needs to change his lyrics and grow musically.
and Leaking the whole album was wrong, they thoought that pulling a Kanye West was a good move, but they were wrong, first Kanye was well backed with good promo and marketing, and and the tracks were unfinished and some didnt even make his album.
Good album, but still not what im expecting from Calvin
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yeah, maybe Snoop should start rapping about playing golf at country clubs instead of gangbanging
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same sales almost as his last album
I dont think the internet had anything to do with it
I think it does.
Costs are cut on promoting an album that will 'leak anyway'.
Knock on is people outside of those who will download it anyway don't get a taste for the album...
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lol @ blaming the internet.
If Eminem can sell 3 million, why can't Snoop?
Don't play the sellout card, Not Afraid was his first single and that shit sold big
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lol @ blaming the internet.
If Eminem can sell 3 million, why can't Snoop?
Don't play the sellout card, Not Afraid was his first single and that shit sold big
Cross over.
Em sells records to people who would never otherwise buy a rap album..sales Snoop could never match in todays Rap market..
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When i was growing up me and my mates all collected cds. Kids these days do not. Most dont buy ANY albums. of course the internet comes into play, 9/10 people download albums, same with tv shows, anime, movies , etc.
I bet at least a million people downloaded Snoops album and prolly thousands just got the one person they know who purchased it to burn it for them.
Iam the only person i know who bought it and i've had requests to burn it for peopel and my other mates just all downloaded it.
Sweat gets radio play here also but its some gay techno remix it seems?
But yeah Snoop aint had a big hit since "drop it like its hot' so no surprise he aint selling well.
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Lol @ blaming sales. Yes sales are down, but rappers are still selling albums. Em, Jay-Z, Wayne, Kanye etc are all going platinum. Snoop can't even go gold anymore.
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well if its any consolation, the david guetta house remix of wet/sweat is doing real big in australia.
on the australian top 50 singles chart, the remix is no.2 on the charts
http://www.ariacharts.com.au/pages/charts_display.asp?chart=1U50
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Em, Jay-Z, Wayne, Kanye etc are all going platinum.
All pop rap artists.
Nothing decent is selling though.. :pimp:
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Em, Jay-Z, Wayne, Kanye etc are all going platinum.
All pop rap artists.
Nothing decent is selling though.. :pimp:
So is Snoop.
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im not upset for snoops bank account
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Em, Jay-Z, Wayne, Kanye etc are all going platinum.
All pop rap artists.
Nothing decent is selling though.. :pimp:
So is Snoop.
Not in the same way. Snoops a rapper who also does pop/dance/country/soul whatever..and acts..does the lot.
Dudes like Wayne and Kanye dont make street music..that nuts in yo mouth, fuck a bitch shit.
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i disagree.
Snoop is definitely a pop-rapper.
and Weezy can make street-music too
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Yeah ok i agree with everything below , but how is this possible at day 31 03 when i checked in 3 big music stores in my country there was no Doggumentary. :P
What is this ? poor merchandising ??? or how is called , how they expect to sell worldwide ? or they want to be only local or internet order.
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Yeah ok i agree with everything below , but how is this possible at day 31 03 when i checked in 3 big music stores in my country there was no Doggumentary. :P
What is this ? poor merchandising ??? or how is called , how they expect to sell worldwide ? or they want to be only local or internet order.
Well it's not released til 18 03 here in the UK.
Mines being imported from America..
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You mean 18 04 ?
Different Realease dates ? ... well ok then i must wait.
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You mean 18 04 ?
Different Realease dates ? ... well ok then i must wait.
Sorry yes. 18 04 :-[
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same sales almost as his last album
I dont think the internet had anything to do with it
I think it does.
Costs are cut on promoting an album that will 'leak anyway'.
Knock on is people outside of those who will download it anyway don't get a taste for the album...
come on now, his popularity peaked a long time ago.
besides, if it wasn't for the internet, a lot of people wouldn't know about this album
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besides, if it wasn't for the internet, a lot of people wouldn't know about this album
Exactly my point.
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besides, if it wasn't for the internet, a lot of people wouldn't know about this album
Exactly my point.
you said people don't wanna pay for music, that's not true.
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you said people don't wanna pay for music, that's not true.
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It's a part of the 'fans' culture now.
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First of all, a lot of people predicted 50k-60k in the predictions thread, so it's funny that when the prediction comes true, people get mad at that. :D
Second, the album was better than the last two, but still in the bottom third in terms of quality of all of Snoop's albums.
Third, he does need guidance. When he's on his own, Snoop tends toward that "everything and the kitchen sink" mentality of making one song for every crowd and therefore satisfying no one. Said it before, and I'll say it again. On his solo albums, Snoop needs to pick a particular sound and go for it. Like it or hate it, on R&G, The Neptunes helped Snoop create a 20-something song tapestry of a particular sound, and it made it a complete album from an artistic point of view. Lately, and on his own, Snoop doesn't pick a sound to develop and expound upon. It's just thrown together randomness that makes for a bad listening experience over 70 mins.
Now what's my point? Answer: If Snoop were to take his time, have a vision for his album, and try to make an artistic statement worth my money, I might PAY to listen to that. I bought Ego Trippin without previewing it beforehand, and that was a mistake. I previewed Malice and Doggumentary, heard that they were more of the "everything and the kitchen sink" unfocused Snoop, and saved my money. If Snoop wants to sell again, he needs to get focused.
You know, another byproduct of focusing on a particular sound and making a coherent artisitic statement is that it will reach a particular audience that will support it. Sure, it might not reach mass appeal that way, but it will surely find at least a nich audience that appreciates what Snoop did with that album. Now, with albums like Malice and Doggumentary, what kind of audience can really say they were fully satisfied by it? Answer: no one. It didn't reach the pop crowd because it had disappointing singles. It didn't reach the street crowd because even the street songs were watered down because Snoop has to protect his feel-good brand image these days. It didn't reach the long-time fans like myself, because there were only a few songs catered for me (Take You Home, This Weed is Mine, etc.).
Basically, I look at Doggumentary and, yeah, it's no wonder it only sold 50k. You can blame the Internet, and yeah, I used the Internet to preview the album and decided not to purchase. But you know what? Had there been no Internet previews, I still wouldn't have bought it because the singles weren't appealing to me. Ultimately, if you make a quality album, it will reach an audience that appreciates that quality, all other variables being equal (which they should be, because Snoop is a big name; it's not as if he should struggle to get the word out that he has a new album dropping like a lot of unknown artists have trouble with).
Snoop, you want to sell again? Then please, PLEASE make a real album again!
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Snoop needs to take his time and actually put some work into his next album. Doggumentary sounds like it should have been a mixtape.
Snoop's been riding off the popularity of his name for a long time now and his music's been getting weaker and weaker. A lot of people have bought his albums expecting him to finally put out another dope album and I don't mean another Doggystyle; he put out a few good albums after Doggystyle so it's not like that's the only good album he ever made. It seems like after he left No Limit and started to have more control over his music he lost direction and focus and his albums started to sound like mixtape/compilations instead of cohesive albums where the songs have a purpose and fit the overall feel of the album and aren't just thrown in because Snoop can do that. Eventually people are just going to stop caring and stop wasting money on his albums if he doesn't make them worth it. I'll still buy a Snoop album but only because I want it for my collection (and for $7.99 at Best Buy it's just a little bit more than buying a used cd so it's all good), I don't buy a Snoop record because I think it's going to be be tight or because the leaks that come out before the album drops are dope; I listened to Doggumentary for one day then put it away and I'm in no hurry to listen to it again. Yeah the internet and free downloading has had a big impact on record sales but Snoops lack of quality is also part of the reason why someone might want to download his album for free instead of buying it (and that goes for anyone else who's slippin' quality wise). He needs to put some work/thought in and release a real quality album while people are still interested because if Snoop wasn't as popular as he is he would have fell off along time ago with the type of music he's been putting out over the last several years.
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Been banging this album since it came out, shit is a banger, that's what counts
This. I dont really look at the numbers anymore. As long as the artists give me something i can bump it's all good.
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You know, another byproduct of focusing on a particular sound and making a coherent artisitic statement is that it will reach a particular audience that will support it. Sure, it might not reach mass appeal that way, but it will surely find at least a nich audience that appreciates what Snoop did with that album. Now, with albums like Malice and Doggumentary, what kind of audience can really say they were fully satisfied by it? Answer: no one. It didn't reach the pop crowd because it had disappointing singles. It didn't reach the street crowd because even the street songs were watered down because Snoop has to protect his feel-good brand image these days. It didn't reach the long-time fans like myself, because there were only a few songs catered for me (Take You Home, This Weed is Mine, etc.).
Snoop, you want to sell again? Then please, PLEASE make a real album again!
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That's what I don't understand. I buy albums sometimes that for the most part the songs are on point but then they throw in a few songs that don't fit the album at all, they are not aimed at the fan base that is actually buying the album and those songs are not getting videos or radio play so I always wonder why the hell they're on the album. For example the last Dogg Pound album 100 Wayz, for the most part the album was bangin but then they threw in a couple of south sounding songs that stuck out like a sore thumb. Those songs didn't get radio play or videos so it's not like they were being used to get sales outside of they're core fan base. No south fans are waiting for Dogg Pound to release a new album to give them that south shit that they want and no long time west coast DPG fans are buying their album to here them take a stab at immitating the souths sound, so what's the point; imo it just kept the album from being a near classic. I get flipping your sound so that you'll fit in with what's currently getting played on the radio or to get on the video count down, I don't like it but I understand that if you're trying to promote your album sometimes you might have to do that to be seen or heard but if those song aren't doing that for you then all they're doing is hurting the over all playability of the album and isnt fully pleasing anyone.
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good album / bad singles
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Snoop can't even go gold anymore.
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Em, Jay-Z, Wayne, Kanye etc are all going platinum.
All pop rap artists.
Nothing decent is selling though.. :pimp:
So is Snoop.
Not in the same way. Snoops a rapper who also does pop/dance/country/soul whatever..and acts..does the lot.
Dudes like Wayne and Kanye dont make street music..that nuts in yo mouth, fuck a bitch shit.
Wtf is street music? You clearly have no idea what pop means. You seriously think Ye's music is more pop than Snoop's? Ye's coming out with shit that sounds like nothing else in the mainstream. Snoop is making strip club anthems.
And yes Wayne does to nuts in yo mouth, fuck a bitch shit. You're out of touch with street music cuz niggas in the street are bumping weezy not snoop. Snoop is being bumped by wiggers in Europe.
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Snoop is being bumped by wiggers in Europe.
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Guess you don't know any other way to get a point across ;D
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Snoop is being bumped by wiggers in Europe.
End thread ::)
Guess you don't know any other way to get a point across ;D
if it ain't the truth let god strike me down.
Do not be talking to me of "street music" when comparing Snoop and Weezy cuz I know what the niggaz in my town are bumping. And it sure as fuck ain't Snoop. Do I like weezy? Fuck no. But that's how it is.
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actually everybody fucks with Snoop Dogg, he just strays away from that GFunk sound and it isn't appealing. Like niggaz fuck wit Snoop Dogg, do they play his music more than Lil' Wayne's music... No, but at tha same time Lil' Wayne is probably/arguably the biggest Entertainer on Earth right now next to the usual white folk... why... becuz everybody knows who Lil' Wayne is that's why. Like how many people do u know who don't know who Lil' Wayne is, you'd be surprised at how popular dude is (doesn't mean everybody likes him or his music tho, i do).
As far as Snoop, i think Snoop Dogg had to make a sacrifice and there were a whole plethora of reasons why. His problem was is that he never had that GFunk Whistle in his music and he tried to go a little "too pop" at times (i can kinda figure out all of his reasons why on each occasion tho). If he had that GFunk Whistle in his music (or more of it) then he wouldn't have suffered so much as far as keeping the young niggaz on deck (but it's not like we were never fuckin' wit' Snoop anyway, i'm 22).
When you hear that new Daz track "No Hand Outs or Favors" it reminds you of the shit they should've been on for years or at least gave us more of rather than trying to be different... they created it so why they tried to get away from it i'll never understand (there must've been a backroom deal with the lord above or something becuz that's all i can think of... rap poisons your mind lol).
People were looking to Snoop Dogg and Dr. Dre and Tha Dogg Pound and Warren G to evolve/expand the GFunk sound and they never did, they just kept it that cliche' 2001-Dr. Dre sound or they tried to keep up with the times instead of just a balance of both with the GFunk being the skeleton to their album (uknowwatimsayin). EVERYBODY KNOWS that's what they sound the best on and it's clearly obvious thruout the years and generations that's all people wanna hear from them.
Tha Doggumentary was cool but there was too much Bootsy Collins Funk on it (Snoopy Collins i guess) not enough Ghetto Funk on tha album (not Gangsta Funk but Ghetto Funk, the 'G' has more than 1 meaning). Whoever told them to stray far from the GFunk gave them some bad advice, I mean as an artist I know how he feels about being boxed in with creativity but you can't just go away from what made you who you are today, people are gonna resist it.
Bottom line is everybody fucks with Snoop Dogg when he's not on that Bootzilla or Pop shit and when he's not spitting verses like he did on "All I Do Is Win" and definitely not making those corny adlibs; oh yeah and definitely not sounding monotone. Snoop Dogg just isn't really relevant to the youth as far as albums go, niggaz would rather him do that GFunk or just stick to features.
u Euro's do have some flavor tho...
http://www.youtube.com//v/VhXK74DY4DU
but this is my shit right now tho
http://www.youtube.com//v/isZq87L79ng - arguably the best track on the album. i hated Bootsy's verse at tha end but whatever, it's fuckin' Bootsy Collins lol
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Why do sales even matter to fans, i couldnt give a fuck what they sell as long as the musics good. And Og Will snoops a major pop star
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Why do sales even matter to fans, i couldnt give a fuck what they sell as long as the musics good. And Og Will snoops a major pop star
Sure he is, but I'm saying he ain't Drake or some shit like that.
Snoop still makes the music that the pop industry would rather he didn't...
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Why do sales even matter to fans, i couldnt give a fuck what they sell as long as the musics good. And Og Will snoops a major pop star
Sure he is, but I'm saying he ain't Drake or some shit like that.
Snoop still makes the music that the pop industry would rather he didn't...
Like wet, Boom, platinum, the weed is mine, i wanna rock, sexual eruption, california girls ect.
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Why do sales even matter to fans, i couldnt give a fuck what they sell as long as the musics good. And Og Will snoops a major pop star
Sure he is, but I'm saying he ain't Drake or some shit like that.
Snoop still makes the music that the pop industry would rather he didn't...
Like wet, Boom, platinum, the weed is mine, i wanna rock, sexual eruption, california girls ect.
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Snoop = Rapper first. Pop artists second.
Snoop ain't no industry puppet.
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Snoop ain't no industry puppet.
he's a smart bussinesman, and use the industry.
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Snoop = pop artist period. If he wasnt an industry puppet there would be no wet or boom. Take the dpgc's combined dicks out your mouth.
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Pop can mean two things, popular meaning everyone knows who you are or poppy music like Katy Perry, Snoop fits both categories somewhat
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Snoop = pop artist period. If he wasnt an industry puppet there would be no wet or boom. Take the dpgc's combined dicks out your mouth.
omg!!!! (gaylike or frustrated)... when is EVERYBODY gonna realize that just becuz you make a song intended for EVERYBODY to like doesn't make it a Pop record, smmfh. "Wet" or "Boom" are far from Pop records... and i'm sorry if I offend u dogg, u probably just don't know any better or what a Pop record really is and you've been influenced by too many blogs and websites and DVD's since you grew up
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Snoop = pop artist period. If he wasnt an industry puppet there would be no wet or boom. Take the dpgc's combined dicks out your mouth.
omg!!!! (gaylike or frustrated)... when is EVERYBODY gonna realize that just becuz you make a song intended for EVERYBODY to like doesn't make it a Pop record, smmfh. "Wet" or "Boom" are far from Pop records... and i'm sorry if I offend u dogg, u probably just don't know any better or what a Pop record really is and you've been influenced by too many blogs and websites and DVD's since you grew up
Like omg you are so totally gay. Wet and Boom are straight pop/commercial records. What the fuck have DVD's got to do with this and i dont read no blogs.
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Snoop = pop artist period. If he wasnt an industry puppet there would be no wet or boom. Take the dpgc's combined dicks out your mouth.
when is EVERYBODY gonna realize that just becuz you make a song intended for EVERYBODY to like doesn't make it a Pop record, smmfh.
LOL, never. Because when you make a song "intended for EVERYBODY", you're going commercial & going commercial is being pop.
Eminem made a song for everyone & he's considered highly poppy; same thing applies to Snoop when he made "I Wanna Fuck You" or "Gangsta Luv".
That's just talking about being "pop". Getting back to Snoop on this album, I don't think he has too much "pop" here because he doesn't have any real songs he's trying to make "for everyone", he made music for his fans. It's just, he failed miserably & this album is pretty awful lol.
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this album is pretty awful lol.
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this album is pretty awful lol.
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It really is. Like I said in the albums discussion thread, it's better than "Malice In Wonderland", but that's not saying much lol.
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Snoop's sound is not pop. I do not see any production of Alex The Kid on his album, I do not see Skylar Grey singing the chorus of any song, much less Rihanna.
I do not see any verse from Drake in his album, much less Waka Flocka Flame.
The Sound of Snoop is like a chameleon .. POP it can be sometimes, it can be a sound you enjoy in the club.
It can be a test, may be country and have Willie Nelson together, can be funky and have Bootsy Collins participating.
Kanye West may have a hit doing more futuristic (as is his style)
But to say that Snoop does not make music based on their roots or the G-Funk? So is seeing the guest list on the album ..
Bootsy, Goldie Loc, Pilot, Daz, Too Short, Latoya, Uncle Chucc, E40, Marty James, Koka .. ALL artists in the west coast ..
Snoop keeps his roots yes.
bullshit this business pop artist .. country club and the fuck.
Snoop is an entertainer of masses.
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Snoop's sound is not pop. I do not see any production of Alex The Kid on his album, I do not see Skylar Grey singing the chorus of any song, much less Rihanna.I do not see any verse from Drake in his album, much less Waka Flocka Flame.The Sound of Snoop is like a chameleon .. POP it can be sometimes, it can be a sound you enjoy in the club.
It can be a test, may be country and have Willie Nelson together, can be funky and have Bootsy Collins participating.
Kanye West may have a hit doing more futuristic (as is his style)
But to say that Snoop does not make music based on their roots or the G-Funk? So is seeing the guest list on the album ..
Bootsy, Goldie Loc, Pilot, Daz, Too Short, Latoya, Uncle Chucc, E40, Marty James, Koka .. ALL artists in the west coast ..
Snoop keeps his roots yes bullshit this business pop artist .. country club and the fuck.
SNOOP IS AN ENTERTAINER OF MASSES
Which makes a POP artist. Waka flockas album shits on doggumentry and aint no pop album.
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Times have changed. It's not Snoop's fault, it's the industry. Nobody buys albums anymore. The internet fucked everything up.
Complete and utter rubbish.
People still buy albums
The internet has allowed better, modern and more effective promotion
Piracy existed way before the internet - In stalls, markets, street corners, outside concerts, anywhere that music enthusiasts gathered
The early 90's allowed CD rentals to be recorded via cassette tape on Hi-Fi stereos, or CD's to be handed round groups of friends to be recorded on Tape when tapes were more widely used
It's claimed that the bulk of downloaded albums from internet users are albums that they wouldn't have necessarily purchased in the first place, thus having virtually no impact to sales
The internet can't be to blame for the industry's widespread sloppyness, and sluggish approach to quick sales over quality control, and artist development, and nurturing creativity from rosters... The public got tired of wasting their hard earned money on garbage, and re-cycled music - That's why the industry is in the situation it's in
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this album is pretty awful lol.
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It really is. Like I said in the albums discussion thread, it's better than "Malice In Wonderland", but that's not saying much lol.
I agree. Some good songs on there and better than Malice. Honestly though, this didn't feel like an album to me.
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Snoop's sound is not pop. I do not see any production of Alex The Kid on his album, I do not see Skylar Grey singing the chorus of any song, much less Rihanna.
I do not see any verse from Drake in his album, much less Waka Flocka Flame.
The Sound of Snoop is like a chameleon .. POP it can be sometimes, it can be a sound you enjoy in the club.
It can be a test, may be country and have Willie Nelson together, can be funky and have Bootsy Collins participating.
Kanye West may have a hit doing more futuristic (as is his style)
But to say that Snoop does not make music based on their roots or the G-Funk? So is seeing the guest list on the album ..
Bootsy, Goldie Loc, Pilot, Daz, Too Short, Latoya, Uncle Chucc, E40, Marty James, Koka .. ALL artists in the west coast ..
Snoop keeps his roots yes.
bullshit this business pop artist .. country club and the fuck.
Snoop is an entertainer of masses.
+1 :pimp:
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Snoop's sound is not pop. I do not see any production of Alex The Kid on his album, I do not see Skylar Grey singing the chorus of any song, much less Rihanna.
I do not see any verse from Drake in his album, much less Waka Flocka Flame.
The Sound of Snoop is like a chameleon .. POP it can be sometimes, it can be a sound you enjoy in the club.
It can be a test, may be country and have Willie Nelson together, can be funky and have Bootsy Collins participating.
Kanye West may have a hit doing more futuristic (as is his style)
But to say that Snoop does not make music based on their roots or the G-Funk? So is seeing the guest list on the album ..
Bootsy, Goldie Loc, Pilot, Daz, Too Short, Latoya, Uncle Chucc, E40, Marty James, Koka .. ALL artists in the west coast ..
Snoop keeps his roots yes.
bullshit this business pop artist .. country club and the fuck.
Snoop is an entertainer of masses.
I agree with most of that. However, I wouldn't say "the masses" because he didn't sell to "the masses". 50K for somebody who is supposedly "one of the biggest names in Hip Hop history" is pretty weak.
& what you named for today's typical "mainstream strategies (Drake, Alex Da Kid, etc.)", you're right; Snoop didn't have that on this album. But autotuned hooks with T-Pain like "I Wanna Fuck You" was the "mainstream thing to do" just a few years ago & that's exactly what Snoop's single sounded like.
So Snoop has gone pop.
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Snoop's sound is not pop. I do not see any production of Alex The Kid on his album, I do not see Skylar Grey singing the chorus of any song, much less Rihanna.I do not see any verse from Drake in his album, much less Waka Flocka Flame.The Sound of Snoop is like a chameleon .. POP it can be sometimes, it can be a sound you enjoy in the club.
It can be a test, may be country and have Willie Nelson together, can be funky and have Bootsy Collins participating.
Kanye West may have a hit doing more futuristic (as is his style)
But to say that Snoop does not make music based on their roots or the G-Funk? So is seeing the guest list on the album ..
Bootsy, Goldie Loc, Pilot, Daz, Too Short, Latoya, Uncle Chucc, E40, Marty James, Koka .. ALL artists in the west coast ..
Snoop keeps his roots yes bullshit this business pop artist .. country club and the fuck.
SNOOP IS AN ENTERTAINER OF MASSES
Which makes a POP artist. Waka flockas album shits on doggumentry and aint no pop album.
Souljah Boys' album is not pop album too ? or is ? i Need a doctor is not a pop song ? or is ? waka is 'ROOTS' artist ..c'mon
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Snoop's sound is not pop. I do not see any production of Alex The Kid on his album, I do not see Skylar Grey singing the chorus of any song, much less Rihanna.I do not see any verse from Drake in his album, much less Waka Flocka Flame.The Sound of Snoop is like a chameleon .. POP it can be sometimes, it can be a sound you enjoy in the club.It can be a test, may be country and have Willie Nelson together, can be funky and have Bootsy Collins participating.Kanye West may have a hit doing more futuristic (as is his style)But to say that Snoop does not make music based on their roots or the G-Funk? So is seeing the guest list on the album ..Bootsy, Goldie Loc, Pilot, Daz, Too Short, Latoya, Uncle Chucc, E40, Marty James, Koka .. ALL artists in the west coast ..Snoop keeps his roots yes bullshit this business pop artist .. country club and the fuck.SNOOP IS AN ENTERTAINER OF MASSES
Which makes a POP artist. Waka flockas album shits on doggumentry and aint no pop album.
Souljah Boys' album is not pop album too ? or is ? i Need a doctor is not a pop song ? or is ? waka is 'ROOTS' artist ..c'mon
Whst the fuck are you talkin about soulja boy is straight pop as is i need a doctor.
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snoop dont care... he gettin show money..albums n sales r label trophys..
all artist know..and will tell fans to goto their shows oppose to gettin an album...
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All these artists are just trying to claw in some extra income for their pensions.
Snoop will try and work with anyone - Be it Puffy, Soulja Boy, Britney Spears, it doesn't matter to him, as long as it provides fame, in the hopes of some quick cash. He doesn't care about maintaining integrity, or his legacy to ensure a better deal further down the line. Pussycat Dolls, and Katy Perry aren't the typical features of a Rap artist yet he's worked with them all. There isn't much longevity left with him. Malice In Wonderland was laughable. This album is a pile of horse shyt too. Pretty much everything Snoop has done in the past number of years (despite Chad's & Pharells good work) has been wack, and made to align with the current 5 minute hit trend. Fine short term, but long term, damages his image, and should real music, and fresh genuine talent be at the forefront of mainstream - all these guys will be an after thought
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snoop dont care... he gettin show money..albums n sales r label trophys..
all artist know..and will tell fans to goto their shows oppose to gettin an album...
That'd only be true, if Snoop wasn't puttin out good albums too.
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snoop dont care... he gettin show money..albums n sales r label trophys..
all artist know..and will tell fans to goto their shows oppose to gettin an album...
That'd only be true, if Snoop wasn't puttin out good albums too.
he aint tho. His last few albums have been wack, with a few good songs here and there.
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snoop dont care... he gettin show money..albums n sales r label trophys..
all artist know..and will tell fans to goto their shows oppose to gettin an album...
That'd only be true, if Snoop wasn't puttin out good albums too.
he aint tho. His last few albums have been wack, with a few good songs here and there.
Snoop ain't made a wack album since R&G in my opinion.
Yes he hasn't put out a classic album in a long while, but his albums ain't wack.
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snoop dont care... he gettin show money..albums n sales r label trophys..
all artist know..and will tell fans to goto their shows oppose to gettin an album...
That'd only be true, if Snoop wasn't puttin out good albums too.
he aint tho. His last few albums have been wack, with a few good songs here and there.
Snoop ain't made a wack album since R&G in my opinion.
Yes he hasn't put out a classic album in a long while, but his albums ain't wack.
thank u snoop been there n done that...he is in his prince stage in his career...do it for the nostalgia factor..
he can make a quick stack in cali alone....if he do a newer version of up n smoke..all these weed head rappers he fathered...along with devin...he will make a killin...throw some cypress in the mix...he got 500,000 stacks right there..
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snoop dont care... he gettin show money..albums n sales r label trophys..
all artist know..and will tell fans to goto their shows oppose to gettin an album...
That'd only be true, if Snoop wasn't puttin out good albums too.
he aint tho. His last few albums have been wack, with a few good songs here and there.
Snoop ain't made a wack album since R&G in my opinion.
Yes he hasn't put out a classic album in a long while, but his albums ain't wack.
I dont know if I would call them wack but his last few albums have been subpar IMO since BCT
Doggumentary is a little better though
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his new label suck dick
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Snoop's sound is not pop. I do not see any production of Alex The Kid on his album, I do not see Skylar Grey singing the chorus of any song, much less Rihanna.
I do not see any verse from Drake in his album, much less Waka Flocka Flame.
The Sound of Snoop is like a chameleon .. POP it can be sometimes, it can be a sound you enjoy in the club.
It can be a test, may be country and have Willie Nelson together, can be funky and have Bootsy Collins participating.
Kanye West may have a hit doing more futuristic (as is his style)
But to say that Snoop does not make music based on their roots or the G-Funk? So is seeing the guest list on the album ..
Bootsy, Goldie Loc, Pilot, Daz, Too Short, Latoya, Uncle Chucc, E40, Marty James, Koka .. ALL artists in the west coast ..
Snoop keeps his roots yes.
bullshit this business pop artist .. country club and the fuck.
Snoop is an entertainer of masses.
right, wet is for the streets :camp:Snoop's sound is not pop. I do not see any production of Alex The Kid on his album, I do not see Skylar Grey singing the chorus of any song, much less Rihanna.
I do not see any verse from Drake in his album, much less Waka Flocka Flame.
The Sound of Snoop is like a chameleon .. POP it can be sometimes, it can be a sound you enjoy in the club.
It can be a test, may be country and have Willie Nelson together, can be funky and have Bootsy Collins participating.
Kanye West may have a hit doing more futuristic (as is his style)
But to say that Snoop does not make music based on their roots or the G-Funk? So is seeing the guest list on the album ..
Bootsy, Goldie Loc, Pilot, Daz, Too Short, Latoya, Uncle Chucc, E40, Marty James, Koka .. ALL artists in the west coast ..
Snoop keeps his roots yes.
bullshit this business pop artist .. country club and the fuck.
Snoop is an entertainer of masses.
I agree with most of that. However, I wouldn't say "the masses" because he didn't sell to "the masses". 50K for somebody who is supposedly "one of the biggest names in Hip Hop history" is pretty weak.
& what you named for today's typical "mainstream strategies (Drake, Alex Da Kid, etc.)", you're right; Snoop didn't have that on this album. But autotuned hooks with T-Pain like "I Wanna Fuck You" was the "mainstream thing to do" just a few years ago & that's exactly what Snoop's single sounded like.
So Snoop has gone pop.
he already did that with doggytyle
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When i was growing up me and my mates all collected cds. Kids these days do not. Most dont buy ANY albums. of course the internet comes into play, 9/10 people download albums, same with tv shows, anime, movies , etc.
I bet at least a million people downloaded Snoops album and prolly thousands just got the one person they know who purchased it to burn it for them.
Iam the only person i know who bought it and i've had requests to burn it for peopel and my other mates just all downloaded it.
Sweat gets radio play here also but its some gay techno remix it seems?
But yeah Snoop aint had a big hit since "drop it like its hot' so no surprise he aint selling well.
Word.... I got to be honest, in so many ways the digital media has fucked up hip-hop and it definitely affects record sales. In the golden ages of hip-hop like the 80's and 90's there word of mouth really carried the industry and brought people together in hip-hop and propelled artists to the top. Now there is no word of mouth and record sales are all fucked up.
I mean, the good part about it is we have so much more music to listen to now, but the quality of music has deteriorated drastically because of it and artists are getting ripped off.
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Kids buy the individual songs, they don't buy entire albums
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Boom is a dope single, should blow
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http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi
CHART DATE: 04/11/2011
LAST UPDATE: 04/11/2011 16:24:25
NOW IN: 69.42%
8 47 SNOOP DOGG DS/PRIORITY/EMI 4,896
DOGGUMENTARY
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http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi
CHART DATE: 04/11/2011
LAST UPDATE: 04/11/2011 16:24:25
NOW IN: 69.42%
8 47 SNOOP DOGG DS/PRIORITY/EMI 4,896
DOGGUMENTARY
I think Snoop made a mistake not releasing worldwide yet..
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I think Snoop made a mistake not releasing worldwide yet..
+1
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I just want to throw out there that there was a debate (maybe have been on DBA) that Snoop Dogg was as/more popular than Eminem.
Recovery sold 500,000 first week? Maybe more. Ten times more albums sold & that was an actual debate?
I wonder who I'm talking to sometimes lol.
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I just want to throw out there that there was a debate (maybe have been on DBA) that Snoop Dogg was as/more popular than Eminem.
Recovery sold 500,000 first week? Maybe more. Ten times more albums sold & that was an actual debate?
I wonder who I'm talking to sometimes lol.
lol whoever made that statement should lay off the crack
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I just want to throw out there that there was a debate (maybe have been on DBA) that Snoop Dogg was as/more popular than Eminem.
Recovery sold 500,000 first week? Maybe more. Ten times more albums sold & that was an actual debate?
I wonder who I'm talking to sometimes lol.
lol whoever made that statement should lay off the crack
lol
I think Recovery sold about 750k but who's counting :laugh:
even Snoop in his prime was not as popular as Eminem in his prime
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final figures are in for snoop's 2nd week album sales..............
CHART DATE: 04/11/2011
LAST UPDATE: 04/12/2011 13:21:44
NOW IN: FINAL
8 36 SNOOP DOGG DS/PRIORITY/EMI 13,484 -73%
DOGGUMENTARY
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Doggystyle sold 750 000 first week i believe?
Anyhow, wow. i wonder if it will even sell 100k?
This must be his worst selling album ever then?
Even "cali iz active' sold more?? (90 000 if i remember?)
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Drake sold a million and bragged about it on his music so you can still do numbers.....Snoop is still the man I don't care what anyone says..."Boom" is a dope track! Yes album sales DO matter because it indicates a combination of popularity and album quality...but tell me does anyone else do it like the 1990's West crew with Snoop, E-40, Too Short, and Ice Cube still makin music today and 40 is doin damn good for the times he has a hit here and there and so does Short and Snoop and Cube is still dope. I don't care what anyone says, look at the longevity of the 1990's Big 4 -- Snoop, Too Short, E-40, and Ice Cube -- the 2000's West doesn't touch that longevity
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Albums sales doesn't equate to popularity. Snoop is a household name, Wiz Khalifa is not.
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Albums sales doesn't equate to popularity. Snoop is a household name, Wiz Khalifa is not.
You'd be surprised, I would agree with you 95% but these 16-22 crowd comin up now looks at Snoop as an icon for marijuana/movie star/clown rather than the man who was huge on "Chronic" and outsold everyone with "Doggystyle" and ran the rap game... Wiz had a couple nice singles like "Black and Yellow" (I prefer "Purp and Yellow" with Snoop & Game) and "Yeah" so he's doin his thing when every damn stadium is playin that "Black and Yellow" remixed to their city
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When i was growing up me and my mates all collected cds. Kids these days do not. Most dont buy ANY albums. of course the internet comes into play, 9/10 people download albums, same with tv shows, anime, movies , etc.
I bet at least a million people downloaded Snoops album and prolly thousands just got the one person they know who purchased it to burn it for them.
Iam the only person i know who bought it and i've had requests to burn it for peopel and my other mates just all downloaded it.
Sweat gets radio play here also but its some gay techno remix it seems?
But yeah Snoop aint had a big hit since "drop it like its hot' so no surprise he aint selling well.
Word.... I got to be honest, in so many ways the digital media has fucked up hip-hop and it definitely affects record sales. In the golden ages of hip-hop like the 80's and 90's there word of mouth really carried the industry and brought people together in hip-hop and propelled artists to the top. Now there is no word of mouth and record sales are all fucked up.
I mean, the good part about it is we have so much more music to listen to now, but the quality of music has deteriorated drastically because of it and artists are getting ripped off.
Piracy existed in the early 90's more, and a hell of a lot easier when people were able to tape direct from CD's onto their cassette tapes.. People would wait and listen to tape the hit songs off the radio's, and made more effort to sit around and wait.... CD burners came out, and everyone knew of at least 5 different people locally who had lists and lists of the top 40 albums, and others by artist or genre for a couple of $/£... If anything the internet's made it much more difficult to actually download an album successfully - for the average common person, they don't know where to look, how to download etc.. The other 'earlier' options were far easier
People just need to quit buying into this internet affect sales BS... An industry cop out, for making cheap watered down trash, and looking for blame when it doesn't recoup their $2 budget they used to make the damn thing
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When i was growing up me and my mates all collected cds. Kids these days do not. Most dont buy ANY albums. of course the internet comes into play, 9/10 people download albums, same with tv shows, anime, movies , etc.
I bet at least a million people downloaded Snoops album and prolly thousands just got the one person they know who purchased it to burn it for them.
Iam the only person i know who bought it and i've had requests to burn it for peopel and my other mates just all downloaded it.
Sweat gets radio play here also but its some gay techno remix it seems?
But yeah Snoop aint had a big hit since "drop it like its hot' so no surprise he aint selling well.
Word.... I got to be honest, in so many ways the digital media has fucked up hip-hop and it definitely affects record sales. In the golden ages of hip-hop like the 80's and 90's there word of mouth really carried the industry and brought people together in hip-hop and propelled artists to the top. Now there is no word of mouth and record sales are all fucked up.
I mean, the good part about it is we have so much more music to listen to now, but the quality of music has deteriorated drastically because of it and artists are getting ripped off.
Piracy existed in the early 90's more, and a hell of a lot easier when people were able to tape direct from CD's onto their cassette tapes.. People would wait and listen to tape the hit songs off the radio's, and made more effort to sit around and wait.... CD burners came out, and everyone knew of at least 5 different people locally who had lists and lists of the top 40 albums, and others by artist or genre for a couple of $/£... If anything the internet's made it much more difficult to actually download an album successfully - for the average common person, they don't know where to look, how to download etc.. The other 'earlier' options were far easier
People just need to quit buying into this internet affect sales BS... An industry cop out, for making cheap watered down trash, and looking for blame when it doesn't recoup their $2 budget they used to make the damn thing
its a fact...taping songs off the radio and having the cd quality rip are two different things....
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People overly concerned on the fine credentials of CDQ compared to tape quality are your more avid music fans more likely to make a purchase of an album they have on blank disc somewhere.
If artists and groups in 2008 onwards (who aren't even music veterans) can sell 7/8/9 million units, that's evidence in itself that this "internet affects sales" excuse isn't entirely accurate. The ones on the shortfall are those same veterans who have declined in quality over the years selling less and less, and those who are talented, creative, and making hot product but not getting the powerful promotional budgets as some of these less worthy, and less talented people and aren't getting heard by as many people
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as if people would be running to the stores to buy the new album if there was no internet
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I don't think it's the "cd burning" as much as it is the market being oversatured. There's rap music EVERYWHERE if you look. Artists drop mixtapes left and right, old artists still dropping music, new artists dropping music, etc. You can go online and find the newest songs from Spice 1, E-40, then Kane & Abel are still makin music from No Limit, then you want to hear LBC Crew, then you want to hear Red Cafe's new track with Omarion, then you checkout jay-z's newest feature, is Jada still around yeah he just made some new hits, Do Or Die got some new music? then you go listen to classics, lets bump nate dogg and daz "these days".....see what im sayin soo much music comes out everyday now it's diff then in the 1990's when you had 20 artists doin the videos on mtv and that's what people all listened to and bought...now you got music music music and we get to pick what we want where before mtv and radio decided what was cool and rap was just new in the early 90's so there wasn't as much....st louis had no rap game in the early 90's and then by the late 90's they had nelly, willie, st lunatics....atlanta blewup huge and grew its own crunk....louisiana with cash money and no limit.....chi town.....and on and on every region grew its own sound and artists and it was no longer just 'east vs. west'....