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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: BiggBoogaBiff on April 09, 2011, 03:16:08 AM
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and that's a fact... google it or look on his website
...waits for the counter argument...
don't forget to mention ALL of the facts before you say anything and don't tell me some shit anybody from FOX News said or some shit you got elsewhere from online... I want the FACTS and not just some hacksaw job of a slandering that I know y'all r gonna do... Even Mike Huckabee (a 2012 Presidential candidate said Republicans were gonna have a hard time winning and not some usual competition hard time winning).... Obama is a beast in retrospect, he'll get another 4 years.... once tha facts come out MOST people will come 2 their senses.
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Obama has "done more"... so what? I want a government that "does less".
I want a government that takes more vacations and plays more golf. I want a government that passes less laws, draws up and signs less bills, fights in less wars, takes in less taxes, spends less money, has less programs, is less intrusive into the economic and personal lives of Americans.
Because the more the government does the more shit that they fuck up.
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Obama makes America miss Bush
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Then u shouldn't live in an industrialized country like America then becuz whoever gets into Office from ANY Party (And I stress ANY) will do tha opposite of what you want. That was a bitchass counter by tha way, you're taking the easy way out already.
America is a unique control, like tha World's Hub/Center Piece, we're not a country like China (if that's a country, fuck u 4 judging me). No1 is like us which iz why we do so much 4 so many and get so much less in return. I hate when people bitch about something but can't think 4 themselves or over-think 4 themselves.
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Obama makes America miss Bush
if you're white and over 52. plz, this is going to turn n2 another "let's go tha opposite way becuz this is a RadioTube! thread" and tha fact that I'm talking about Obama is grounds 4 a set up. when y'all start 2 bring out FACTS then I'll read, right now y'all are acting like pigs
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Obama has "done more"... so what? I want a government that "does less".
I want a government that takes more vacations and plays more golf. I want a government that passes less laws, draws up and signs less bills, fights in less wars, takes in less taxes, spends less money, has less programs, is less intrusive into the economic and personal lives of Americans.
Because the more the government does the more shit that they fuck up.
Chicken or the egg..
You can say the more the government does, the more they fuck up. Another could say the more fucked up Americans are, the more the government has to do.
Unfortunately, less government will also mean MORE of a gap between the haves and the have-nots. I seriously doubt any of us are CEO's of any major corporations. Not to mention, the party that wants less government...also wants prayer in school. I hate to break it to you, but they arent talking about Islam.
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Obama makes America miss Bush
Nobody MISSES Bush. Some people MISS having a White male president. More often than not, White males. And usually White males who have more teeth than brain cells. Which is tough when your missing 8 teeth...but hey...
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Obama makes America miss Bush
Nobody MISSES Bush. Some people MISS having a White male president. More often than not, White males. And usually White males who have more teeth than brain cells. Which is tough when your missing 8 teeth...but hey...
why does race have to be brought into this?
all politicians are dicks, regardless of race
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Obama makes America miss Bush
Nobody MISSES Bush. Some people MISS having a White male president. More often than not, White males. And usually White males who have more teeth than brain cells. Which is tough when your missing 8 teeth...but hey...
why does race have to be brought into this?
all politicians are dicks, regardless of race
uh oh... we have a quitter lol!
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America is a unique control, like tha World's Hub/Center Piece, we're not a country like China (if that's a country, fuck u 4 judging me). No1 is like us which iz why we do so much 4 so many and get so much less in return. I hate when people bitch about something but can't think 4 themselves or over-think 4 themselves.
America was like this long before Obama became president. Since the early 1900s nobody has been able to fuck with the United States.
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Obama makes America miss Bush
Nobody MISSES Bush. Some people MISS having a White male president. More often than not, White males. And usually White males who have more teeth than brain cells. Which is tough when your missing 8 teeth...but hey...
why does race have to be brought into this?
all politicians are dicks, regardless of race
If they are all dicks, why you miss the one before Obama? Especially considering we are still recovering from the last one. Especially considering the last one was the worst president in the history of the US lol
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America is a unique country, like tha World's Hub/Center Piece, we're not a country like China (if that's a country, fuck u 4 judging me). No1 is like us which iz why we do so much 4 so many and get so much less in return. I hate when people bitch about something but can't think 4 themselves or over-think 4 themselves.
America was like this long before Obama became president. Since the early 1900s nobody has been able to fuck with the United States.
oh hell yeah, i was just sayin
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Really? More than FDR, Washington, Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, etc. ? No, I dont think so. (also: more "doing" DOES NOT = good, regardless of whether you support big or smaller govt).
As for only whites not liking Obama, there is absolutely no truth to that and that represents a divisive and racist view of our country. You don't have to be a "minority" to dislike big govt.
Also, saying that because we are an industrialized country means we have to have big govt makes no sense. This is the same type of view that the "crazy white folks" who llive in the mountains and dont want any govt to exist have, just the exact opposite and just as stupid.
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Really? More than FDR, Washington, Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, etc. ? No, I dont think so. (also: more "doing" DOES NOT = good, regardless of whether you support big or smaller govt).
As for only whites not liking Obama, there is absolutely no truth to that and that represents a divisive and racist view of our country. You don't have to be a "minority" to dislike big govt.
Also, saying that because we are an industrialized country means we have to have big govt makes no sense. This is the same type of view that the "crazy white folks" who llive in the mountains and dont want any govt to exist have, just the exact opposite and just as stupid.
Its not that whites don't like Obama. Without whites voting for him, he wouldn't have become president. But if you're longing for GEORGE BUSH...chances are you're longing for a White male president.
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Obama makes America miss Bush
Nobody MISSES Bush. Some people MISS having a White male president. More often than not, White males. And usually White males who have more teeth than brain cells. Which is tough when your missing 8 teeth...but hey...
why does race have to be brought into this?
all politicians are dicks, regardless of race
If they are all dicks, why you miss the one before Obama? Especially considering we are still recovering from the last one. Especially considering the last one was the worst president in the history of the US lol
if you looked it up you'd find that Obama has spent more in his his first term than Bush did in both of his
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Really? More than FDR, Washington, Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, etc. ? No, I dont think so. (also: more "doing" DOES NOT = good, regardless of whether you support big or smaller govt).
As for only whites not liking Obama, there is absolutely no truth to that and that represents a divisive and racist view of our country. You don't have to be a "minority" to dislike big govt.
Also, saying that because we are an industrialized country means we have to have big govt makes no sense. This is the same type of view that the "crazy white folks" who llive in the mountains and dont want any govt to exist have, just the exact opposite and just as stupid.
Its not that whites don't like Obama. Without whites voting for him, he wouldn't have become president. But if you're longing for GEORGE BUSH...chances are you're longing for a White male president.
The voting obama in thing i totally agree on. If youre longing for bush to be president, chances are you want a neo con president (big govt in the form of military, social conservatism, and less taxes). wouldnt matter the color. People make way too big a deal about obamas critics being undercover racists. Some? Yeah. All or most? Nah not close. He just represents what a lot of America dislikes: big govt.
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Obama makes America miss Bush
Nobody MISSES Bush. Some people MISS having a White male president. More often than not, White males. And usually White males who have more teeth than brain cells. Which is tough when your missing 8 teeth...but hey...
why does race have to be brought into this?
all politicians are dicks, regardless of race
If they are all dicks, why you miss the one before Obama? Especially considering we are still recovering from the last one. Especially considering the last one was the worst president in the history of the US lol
if you looked it up you'd find that Obama has spent more in his his first term than Bush did in both of his
True but obama supporters would just come back and say "well that was bc of bush, etc", which is partly true but a misleading statement since to put it nicely the jury is still out on the stimulus and how effective it was (no one made a rule spending a gazillion dollars to get us out of a trillion dollar hole was the definitive answer).
Theyd also probably say that without massive govt spending we couldnt run a fair country that bridges the gap between rich and poor but what thy would fail to realize is that if we keep spending and borrowing to maintain so called needed programs and china calls our debt in it could kill our dollar and make things go from bad to terrible for everyone
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Obama makes America miss Bush
Nobody MISSES Bush. Some people MISS having a White male president. More often than not, White males. And usually White males who have more teeth than brain cells. Which is tough when your missing 8 teeth...but hey...
why does race have to be brought into this?
all politicians are dicks, regardless of race
If they are all dicks, why you miss the one before Obama? Especially considering we are still recovering from the last one. Especially considering the last one was the worst president in the history of the US lol
if you looked it up you'd find that Obama has spent more in his his first term than Bush did in both of his
True but obama supporters would just come back and say "well that was bc of bush, etc", which is partly true but a misleading statement since to put it nicely the jury is still out on the stimulus and how effective it was (no one made a rule spending a gazillion dollars to get us out of a trillion dollar hole was the definitive answer).
Theyd also probably say that without massive govt spending we couldnt run a fair country that bridges the gap between rich and poor but what thy would fail to realize is that if we keep spending and borrowing to maintain so called needed programs and china calls our debt in it could kill our dollar and make things go from bad to terrible for everyone
:D
it's funny to watch people sugarcoat Obama OR Bush's failures by blaming it on the other.
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You can say the more the government does, the more they fuck up. Another could say the more fucked up Americans are, the more the government has to do.
And that's exactly the problem. If the government fails at war in Afghanistan, then they say we have to stay longer and waste more money. If the government fails in medicaid and medicare, then they say we have to waste more money and expand it to Universal healthcare; if the government fails in education, then they say we need more money to support failing schools... this is the exact opposite from the free market. In the free market you have to give results or your business will fail and people won't support you. But we are forced to support the government, follow their laws, and pay their taxes no matter how often they fail. Look at Enron for example. When Enron fucked up, it didn't mean shit to me, because I was never forced to deal with Enron. But when the war on drugs fucked up, I am still forced to fund it in taxes, and I still have to rearrange my life to get around their marijuana laws. Get what I'm sayin?
Not to mention, the party that wants less government...also wants prayer in school. I hate to break it to you, but they arent talking about Islam.
Your wrong on that homie; Democrats AND REPUBLICANS BOTH are not serious about wanting smaller governments. Bush was a bigger spender than Obama and Clinton. The only reason Republicans are blocking spending now is just because it's a Democratic president.
The only party that is serious about smaller government is the Libertarian party, and that's the only party I support. And btw, Ron Paul IS a Libertarian he is just running as a Republican so that he won't be blocked by unjust election and campaign laws/funds/media attention that make it impossible for 3rd parties to win.
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It's possible Obama might end up spending more than Bush, but I think it would be more fair if you showed a chart of Bush's first two years in office versus Obama's first two years in office, rather than a projection of the worst case scenario for Obama's future spending
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It's possible Obama might end up spending more than Bush, but I think it would be more fair if you showed a chart of Bush's first two years in office versus Obama's first two years in office, rather than a projection of the worst case scenario for Obama's future spending
That would also be misleading since Bush spent very little in his first 2 years in office. He didn't go into Iraq or bail out the banks yet. In Obama's first 2 years, he was already in two wars (plus increasing troops in one of them) and passed 2 bail outs.
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Obama makes America miss Bush
Nobody MISSES Bush. Some people MISS having a White male president. More often than not, White males. And usually White males who have more teeth than brain cells. Which is tough when your missing 8 teeth...but hey...
why does race have to be brought into this?
all politicians are dicks, regardless of race
If they are all dicks, why you miss the one before Obama? Especially considering we are still recovering from the last one. Especially considering the last one was the worst president in the history of the US lol
if you looked it up you'd find that Obama has spent more in his his first term than Bush did in both of his
True but obama supporters would just come back and say "well that was bc of bush, etc", which is partly true but a misleading statement since to put it nicely the jury is still out on the stimulus and how effective it was (no one made a rule spending a gazillion dollars to get us out of a trillion dollar hole was the definitive answer).
Theyd also probably say that without massive govt spending we couldnt run a fair country that bridges the gap between rich and poor but what thy would fail to realize is that if we keep spending and borrowing to maintain so called needed programs and china calls our debt in it could kill our dollar and make things go from bad to terrible for everyone
:D
it's funny to watch people sugarcoat Obama OR Bush's failures by blaming it on the other.
It really is. It speaks to the amount of misunderstanding and ignorance among the people nowadays, who blindly follow a political party or a guy cause he happens to be black. It was a fashion statement to say you liked Obama, and I get the feeling that for a lot of his "supporters", thats as deep as it gets. I can say from being on a college campus when that election was going on, most people sporting obama shirts and whatnot that I had interaction with didn't know what would amount to a hill of shit about politics, but they did know they hated Bush and Republicans were evil. Lol. Same with many Bush supporters, just opposite side of the room.
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@ Topic starter:
First you say you got your info online via Google, and then you tell us we can't counter your arguments with info found online.
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Obama makes America miss Bush
Nobody MISSES Bush. Some people MISS having a White male president. More often than not, White males. And usually White males who have more teeth than brain cells. Which is tough when your missing 8 teeth...but hey...
why does race have to be brought into this?
all politicians are dicks, regardless of race
If they are all dicks, why you miss the one before Obama? Especially considering we are still recovering from the last one. Especially considering the last one was the worst president in the history of the US lol
if you looked it up you'd find that Obama has spent more in his his first term than Bush did in both of his
True but obama supporters would just come back and say "well that was bc of bush, etc", which is partly true but a misleading statement since to put it nicely the jury is still out on the stimulus and how effective it was (no one made a rule spending a gazillion dollars to get us out of a trillion dollar hole was the definitive answer).
Theyd also probably say that without massive govt spending we couldnt run a fair country that bridges the gap between rich and poor but what thy would fail to realize is that if we keep spending and borrowing to maintain so called needed programs and china calls our debt in it could kill our dollar and make things go from bad to terrible for everyone
:D
it's funny to watch people sugarcoat Obama OR Bush's failures by blaming it on the other.
It really is. It speaks to the amount of misunderstanding and ignorance among the people nowadays, who blindly follow a political party or a guy cause he happens to be black. It was a fashion statement to say you liked Obama, and I get the feeling that for a lot of his "supporters", thats as deep as it gets. I can say from being on a college campus when that election was going on, most people sporting obama shirts and whatnot that I had interaction with didn't know what would amount to a hill of shit about politics, but they did know they hated Bush and Republicans were evil. Lol. Same with many Bush supporters, just opposite side of the room.
Is that directed at me??
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^ Nah, more of a general statement. Cause I assume that it is going to probably apply to somebody reading it, especially on this board.
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Well, it's not surprising at all that a President has mainstream appeal.
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Well, it's not surprising at all that a President has mainstream appeal.
True. But this president is/was different. He had a slogan, t shirts, and fans like Motley Crue did in 1986. All a little ridiculous. So bad that if you didn't wanna vote for him and even criticized him you were a "racist".
Nothing wrong with appeal, but there is something wrong when the appeal is bigger than the actual knowledge of the issues. I mean, people are already calling him the most productive president ever. Again, ridiculous.
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It was different again because of what type of world we live in these days. Viral campaigns are crucial now in all elections thanks to the Obama campaign, so with any sort of viral success you're gonna have that type of popularity. Especially coming from a Democrat. On a separate note, what I find funny is that Obama is being criticized by everybody for different reasons. Especially from liberals who want him to be liberal. Then of course you got all the different people that would criticize him from the opposing side.
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It's possible Obama might end up spending more than Bush, but I think it would be more fair if you showed a chart of Bush's first two years in office versus Obama's first two years in office, rather than a projection of the worst case scenario for Obama's future spending
OBAMA outspent bush in the first 2 years
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Especially coming from a Democrat. On a separate note, what I find funny is that Obama is being criticized by everybody for different reasons. Especially from liberals who want him to be liberal. Then of course you got all the different people that would criticize him from the opposing side.
when I was at my grandparents not too long ago I was subjected to watching hours of CNN/MSNBC/liberal brainwashing
I didn't hear negative speak on Obama at all, what I heard was "the republicans are trying to say (insert stupid shit Obama did)" and then they try to stick up for him lol
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Especially coming from a Democrat. On a separate note, what I find funny is that Obama is being criticized by everybody for different reasons. Especially from liberals who want him to be liberal. Then of course you got all the different people that would criticize him from the opposing side.
when I was at my grandparents not too long ago I was subjected to watching hours of CNN/MSNBC/liberal brainwashing
I didn't hear negative speak on Obama at all, what I heard was "the republicans are trying to say (insert stupid shit Obama did)" and then they try to stick up for him lol
Well of course he is being criticized from everyone, as he should be to a point. He holds (supposedly) the most powerful position in our political structure. The norm is the president (whoever he is) being criticized, but many people are surprised at the verbal abuse he gets because obama supporters thought everybody was following him no matter what because of the campaign success. something increasing the criticism is our nation is becoming more polarized politically. Which is why independents are becoming more popular, because some people are tired of this song and dance. Turn on the tv. Rachel maddow, sean hannity, etc. The problem is most people see one of those people as holding truth and the other as a liar, when in reality, both are doing the same thing.
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Especially coming from a Democrat. On a separate note, what I find funny is that Obama is being criticized by everybody for different reasons. Especially from liberals who want him to be liberal. Then of course you got all the different people that would criticize him from the opposing side.
when I was at my grandparents not too long ago I was subjected to watching hours of CNN/MSNBC/liberal brainwashing
I didn't hear negative speak on Obama at all, what I heard was "the republicans are trying to say (insert stupid shit Obama did)" and then they try to stick up for him lol
I've seen Cenk and Maddow heavily criticize Obama for not being liberal.
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Especially coming from a Democrat. On a separate note, what I find funny is that Obama is being criticized by everybody for different reasons. Especially from liberals who want him to be liberal. Then of course you got all the different people that would criticize him from the opposing side.
when I was at my grandparents not too long ago I was subjected to watching hours of CNN/MSNBC/liberal brainwashing
I didn't hear negative speak on Obama at all, what I heard was "the republicans are trying to say (insert stupid shit Obama did)" and then they try to stick up for him lol
Well of course he is being criticized from everyone, as he should be to a point. He holds (supposedly) the most powerful position in our political structure. The norm is the president (whoever he is) being criticized, but many people are surprised at the verbal abuse he gets because obama supporters thought everybody was following him no matter what because of the campaign success. something increasing the criticism is our nation is becoming more polarized politically. Which is why independents are becoming more popular, because some people are tired of this song and dance. Turn on the tv. Rachel maddow, sean hannity, etc. The problem is most people see one of those people as holding truth and the other as a liar, when in reality, both are doing the same thing.
I doubt independents will even come close to the popularity they had in the early 90s, well at least not anytime soon.
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at least Dubya was funny
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LOL everyone here should know that radiotube is straight 51/50. dudes mind isnt all there and i can tell since my cousin got 51/50'd couple months ago.
but the white boys LOVED OBAMA, he was an uncle tom from the very start.
lol U WONDER WHY OBAMA WAS MILK CHOCOLATE AND WAST WESLEY SNIPES BLACK. but thats besides teh point, his skin color was lighter only to enlighten the masses, u can be dark as fuck but still be an uncle tom.
but the fact that he is MILK CHOCOLATE, made basically ALL THE BLACKS vote for him, they dont even know why their voting for him except for the fact that the color of his skin was dark.
there was so many questions like this "why are u voting for obama" "I DONT KNOW HES BLACK! THATS WHY"
fucking morons. too much media brainwashing, and politics is far from actual politics and more like a popularity contest.
LOL any1 remember the last GOP debates? mccain: "freedom" *crowd goes wild*
politics is ridiculous
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lol U WONDER WHY OBAMA WAS MILK CHOCOLATE AND WAST WESLEY SNIPES BLACK. but thats besides teh point, his skin color was lighter only to enlighten the masses, u can be dark as fuck but still be an uncle tom.
LOL. I was joking around with my friend during the election that Obama wasn't black enough and that he needed to black like Wesley Snipes to get my support. :laugh:
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LOL everyone here should know that radiotube is straight 51/50. dudes mind isnt all there and i can tell since my cousin got 51/50'd couple months ago.
but the white boys LOVED OBAMA, he was an uncle tom from the very start.
lol U WONDER WHY OBAMA WAS MILK CHOCOLATE AND WAST WESLEY SNIPES BLACK. but thats besides teh point, his skin color was lighter only to enlighten the masses, u can be dark as fuck but still be an uncle tom.
but the fact that he is MILK CHOCOLATE, made basically ALL THE BLACKS vote for him, they dont even know why their voting for him except for the fact that the color of his skin was dark.
there was so many questions like this "why are u voting for obama" "I DONT KNOW HES BLACK! THATS WHY"
fucking morons. too much media brainwashing, and politics is far from actual politics and more like a popularity contest.
LOL any1 remember the last GOP debates? mccain: "freedom" *crowd goes wild*
politics is ridiculous
Blacks typically vote democrat anyways, the minute the Democratic candidate is Black, everyone says that Blacks are only voting for him cus he is Black lol.
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LOL everyone here should know that radiotube is straight 51/50. dudes mind isnt all there and i can tell since my cousin got 51/50'd couple months ago.
but the white boys LOVED OBAMA, he was an uncle tom from the very start.
lol U WONDER WHY OBAMA WAS MILK CHOCOLATE AND WAST WESLEY SNIPES BLACK. but thats besides teh point, his skin color was lighter only to enlighten the masses, u can be dark as fuck but still be an uncle tom.
but the fact that he is MILK CHOCOLATE, made basically ALL THE BLACKS vote for him, they dont even know why their voting for him except for the fact that the color of his skin was dark.
there was so many questions like this "why are u voting for obama" "I DONT KNOW HES BLACK! THATS WHY"
fucking morons. too much media brainwashing, and politics is far from actual politics and more like a popularity contest.
LOL any1 remember the last GOP debates? mccain: "freedom" *crowd goes wild*
politics is ridiculous
Blacks typically vote democrat anyways, the minute the Democratic candidate is Black, everyone says that Blacks are only voting for him cus he is Black lol.
Kerry won 88% of the black vote while Obama won 95%
Kerry won 41% of the white vote while Obama won 43%
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LOL everyone here should know that radiotube is straight 51/50. dudes mind isnt all there and i can tell since my cousin got 51/50'd couple months ago.
but the white boys LOVED OBAMA, he was an uncle tom from the very start.
lol U WONDER WHY OBAMA WAS MILK CHOCOLATE AND WAST WESLEY SNIPES BLACK. but thats besides teh point, his skin color was lighter only to enlighten the masses, u can be dark as fuck but still be an uncle tom.
but the fact that he is MILK CHOCOLATE, made basically ALL THE BLACKS vote for him, they dont even know why their voting for him except for the fact that the color of his skin was dark.
there was so many questions like this "why are u voting for obama" "I DONT KNOW HES BLACK! THATS WHY"
fucking morons. too much media brainwashing, and politics is far from actual politics and more like a popularity contest.
LOL any1 remember the last GOP debates? mccain: "freedom" *crowd goes wild*
politics is ridiculous
Blacks typically vote democrat anyways, the minute the Democratic candidate is Black, everyone says that Blacks are only voting for him cus he is Black lol.
Kerry won 88% of the black vote while Obama won 95%
Kerry won 41% of the white vote while Obama won 43%
than wouldnt you agree that more blacks just signed up to vote to vote for obama just because he was black? and nothing more.
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LOL everyone here should know that radiotube is straight 51/50. dudes mind isnt all there and i can tell since my cousin got 51/50'd couple months ago.
but the white boys LOVED OBAMA, he was an uncle tom from the very start.
lol U WONDER WHY OBAMA WAS MILK CHOCOLATE AND WAST WESLEY SNIPES BLACK. but thats besides teh point, his skin color was lighter only to enlighten the masses, u can be dark as fuck but still be an uncle tom.
but the fact that he is MILK CHOCOLATE, made basically ALL THE BLACKS vote for him, they dont even know why their voting for him except for the fact that the color of his skin was dark.
there was so many questions like this "why are u voting for obama" "I DONT KNOW HES BLACK! THATS WHY"
fucking morons. too much media brainwashing, and politics is far from actual politics and more like a popularity contest.
LOL any1 remember the last GOP debates? mccain: "freedom" *crowd goes wild*
politics is ridiculous
Blacks typically vote democrat anyways, the minute the Democratic candidate is Black, everyone says that Blacks are only voting for him cus he is Black lol.
Kerry won 88% of the black vote while Obama won 95%
Kerry won 41% of the white vote while Obama won 43%
than wouldnt you agree that more blacks just signed up to vote to vote for obama just because he was black? and nothing more.
lol And Im sure youd agree that they in NO way could outweigh the number of Whites who voted against him because he was Black. There were Whites who voted FOR him, of course. But Blacks make up a relatively small percentage of the country. If race played a role, it played a role all around. And this is without even mentioning Hispanics or Asians. Ive heard just as many Hispanics before the election say they wouldnt vote for him, and when asked why....say..."He's Black..".
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Yes, but: number of blacks who voted for him cause he's black = majority (how many black republicans do you know??)
number of people who didn't vote for him cause he's black = minority
You are waaaaaaaay overestimating the number of white people (or people in general) who voted against him cause he's black. Most that voted against him that I know did so because they are Republicans. Of course there was a lot, but to say number of whites who voted against him cause of his skin color is so high is not an accurate representation of mainstream society. The Reverand Jesse Jackson would agree with you I'm sure lol. Either way you look at it, the race card helped him, it didn't hurt him. White guilt these days is at an all time high.
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Yes, but: number of blacks who voted for him cause he's black = majority (how many black republicans do you know??)
number of people who didn't vote for him cause he's black = minority
You are waaaaaaaay overestimating the number of white people (or people in general) who voted against him cause he's black. Most that voted against him that I know did so because they are Republicans. Of course there was a lot, but to say number of whites who voted against him cause of his skin color is so high is not an accurate representation of mainstream society. The Reverand Jesse Jackson would agree with you I'm sure lol. Either way you look at it, the race card helped him, it didn't hurt him. White guilt these days is at an all time high.
True that. Like I posted, he won more white voters than Kerry did.
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Yes, but: number of blacks who voted for him cause he's black = majority (how many black republicans do you know??)
number of people who didn't vote for him cause he's black = minority
You are waaaaaaaay overestimating the number of white people (or people in general) who voted against him cause he's black. Most that voted against him that I know did so because they are Republicans. Of course there was a lot, but to say number of whites who voted against him cause of his skin color is so high is not an accurate representation of mainstream society. The Reverand Jesse Jackson would agree with you I'm sure lol. Either way you look at it, the race card helped him, it didn't hurt him. White guilt these days is at an all time high.
lol are you kidding me? If you dont realize that racism is alive and well still in this country, youre completely insane. Im not saying things arent better than before, but there are still problems. This election showed the best and the worst in a lot of people. Whites for example. It showed that there are plenty of White people that are willing to vote for a Black candidate. Thats a good thing. It also showed that there are still plenty of Whites that would NOT be willing to vote for a Black president. There are TONS of White people (an other races) who allowed race to influence their vote on this last election. White guilt wouldnt keep them from voting against Obama, it just kept them from saying it publicly. They far outweigh the extra 7% of Black vote that Obama got over Kerry. With the millions and millions of rednecks in this country, you dont think they were voting for ANYONE who would run against a Black man? He became President in spite of being Black, not because of it. Bush's reign of terror helped out alot too though.
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Yes, but: number of blacks who voted for him cause he's black = majority (how many black republicans do you know??)
number of people who didn't vote for him cause he's black = minority
You are waaaaaaaay overestimating the number of white people (or people in general) who voted against him cause he's black. Most that voted against him that I know did so because they are Republicans. Of course there was a lot, but to say number of whites who voted against him cause of his skin color is so high is not an accurate representation of mainstream society. The Reverand Jesse Jackson would agree with you I'm sure lol. Either way you look at it, the race card helped him, it didn't hurt him. White guilt these days is at an all time high.
lol are you kidding me? If you dont realize that racism is alive and well still in this country, youre completely insane. Im not saying things arent better than before, but there are still problems. This election showed the best and the worst in a lot of people. Whites for example. It showed that there are plenty of White people that are willing to vote for a Black candidate. Thats a good thing. It also showed that there are still plenty of Whites that would NOT be willing to vote for a Black president. There are TONS of White people (an other races) who allowed race to influence their vote on this last election. White guilt wouldnt keep them from voting against Obama, it just kept them from saying it publicly. They far outweigh the extra 7% of Black vote that Obama got over Kerry. With the millions and millions of rednecks in this country, you dont think they were voting for ANYONE who would run against a Black man? He became President in spite of being Black, not because of it. Bush's reign of terror helped out alot too though.
It's hard to say. How many of those rednecks simply voted against him because they are Republicans? It would be interesting to see a black Republican and white Democrat run for president.
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Yes, but: number of blacks who voted for him cause he's black = majority (how many black republicans do you know??)
number of people who didn't vote for him cause he's black = minority
You are waaaaaaaay overestimating the number of white people (or people in general) who voted against him cause he's black. Most that voted against him that I know did so because they are Republicans. Of course there was a lot, but to say number of whites who voted against him cause of his skin color is so high is not an accurate representation of mainstream society. The Reverand Jesse Jackson would agree with you I'm sure lol. Either way you look at it, the race card helped him, it didn't hurt him. White guilt these days is at an all time high.
True that. Like I posted, he won more white voters than Kerry did.
So you think White people voted for him because he is Black?? I dont see how that makes sense. I think White people who voted for him, were voting for some sort of change. Not because he is Black. We just got through with Bush...the last thing people wanted, was another Bush. If there was anything that helped him, it would be the fact that he was seen as young, cool, in touch with the younger generation, etc. But not being Black itself. Like I said, there is a lot of hidden racism in people that they will never reveal in public or to a camera. But it is there. No doubt. Im not Black, but my girl is, and my daughter is half. I dont always tell people about them right away, and its amazing what people are willing to say about other races...when they arent around. San Diego isnt even THAT racist compared to other parts of the country. But Ive heard so much racist shit spit out of peoples mouths down here towards Black people its ridiculous, and not just from Whites.
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Yes, but: number of blacks who voted for him cause he's black = majority (how many black republicans do you know??)
number of people who didn't vote for him cause he's black = minority
You are waaaaaaaay overestimating the number of white people (or people in general) who voted against him cause he's black. Most that voted against him that I know did so because they are Republicans. Of course there was a lot, but to say number of whites who voted against him cause of his skin color is so high is not an accurate representation of mainstream society. The Reverand Jesse Jackson would agree with you I'm sure lol. Either way you look at it, the race card helped him, it didn't hurt him. White guilt these days is at an all time high.
lol are you kidding me? If you dont realize that racism is alive and well still in this country, youre completely insane. Im not saying things arent better than before, but there are still problems. This election showed the best and the worst in a lot of people. Whites for example. It showed that there are plenty of White people that are willing to vote for a Black candidate. Thats a good thing. It also showed that there are still plenty of Whites that would NOT be willing to vote for a Black president. There are TONS of White people (an other races) who allowed race to influence their vote on this last election. White guilt wouldnt keep them from voting against Obama, it just kept them from saying it publicly. They far outweigh the extra 7% of Black vote that Obama got over Kerry. With the millions and millions of rednecks in this country, you dont think they were voting for ANYONE who would run against a Black man? He became President in spite of being Black, not because of it. Bush's reign of terror helped out alot too though.
It's hard to say. How many of those rednecks simply voted against him because they are Republicans? It would be interesting to see a black Republican and white Democrat run for president.
It would. I know what youre saying, because for some reason poor rednecks in the south still seem to vote Republican. I guess they feel as though the rich whites give a fuck about the poor ones. Who knows. Maybe being common Bible thumpers helps too.
And maybe that was a bad example, i think the people youd really have to find out about wouldnt be rednecks.
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Yes, but: number of blacks who voted for him cause he's black = majority (how many black republicans do you know??)
number of people who didn't vote for him cause he's black = minority
You are waaaaaaaay overestimating the number of white people (or people in general) who voted against him cause he's black. Most that voted against him that I know did so because they are Republicans. Of course there was a lot, but to say number of whites who voted against him cause of his skin color is so high is not an accurate representation of mainstream society. The Reverand Jesse Jackson would agree with you I'm sure lol. Either way you look at it, the race card helped him, it didn't hurt him. White guilt these days is at an all time high.
lol are you kidding me? If you dont realize that racism is alive and well still in this country, youre completely insane. Im not saying things arent better than before, but there are still problems. This election showed the best and the worst in a lot of people. Whites for example. It showed that there are plenty of White people that are willing to vote for a Black candidate. Thats a good thing. It also showed that there are still plenty of Whites that would NOT be willing to vote for a Black president. There are TONS of White people (an other races) who allowed race to influence their vote on this last election. White guilt wouldnt keep them from voting against Obama, it just kept them from saying it publicly. They far outweigh the extra 7% of Black vote that Obama got over Kerry. With the millions and millions of rednecks in this country, you dont think they were voting for ANYONE who would run against a Black man? He became President in spite of being Black, not because of it. Bush's reign of terror helped out alot too though.
It's hard to say. How many of those rednecks simply voted against him because they are Republicans? It would be interesting to see a black Republican and white Democrat run for president.
Exactly. That's what I was also saying. That many "rednecks" probably voted for McCain cause he was a Republican. Wouldn't matter if it was John Edwards or Obama, they were voting for the OTHER guy. I never said racism wasn't alive in this country. To the contrary. There is racism everywhere, against many races and perpetrated by many races. Go to a school anywhere in California and see how many Mexicans can get away with saying "white boy" in a derogatory way, then see what happens to the kid who says "spic". You can also go to a rural school with 2 black kids total and see the good ol boy treatment they may receive. Also, I mentioned white guilt in the context of more whites wanting to vote for the black dude over the white dude because they may be seen as progressive or in step with "change". Of course this wasn't most, but I think a lot of people in California fit this profile. So his race helped him sweep the black vote and grab up "progressive" white votes. White so called "rednecks" were voting Republican regardless.
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All I'm saying is that being black helped with the black vote more than it hurt with the white vote. As I pointed out, he managed to get more of the white vote than Kerry. Even if you explain this by saying Obama was more charismatic or appealing, or that Bush was a stronger candidate than McCain, white people were definitely willing to vote for him. Most of the white racist would vote Republican anyways. That's why it would be interesting to see a black Republican vs. a white Democrat. What would the rednecks and black people do? Both groups would feel like their vote wasn't right no matter which candidate they picked.
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All I'm saying is that being black helped with the black vote more than it hurt with the white vote. As I pointed out, he managed to get more of the white vote than Kerry. Even if you explain this by saying Obama was more charismatic or appealing, or that Bush was a stronger candidate than McCain, white people were definitely willing to vote for him. Most of the white racist would vote Republican anyways. That's why it would be interesting to see a black Republican vs. a white Democrat. What would the rednecks and black people do? Both groups would feel like their vote wasn't right no matter which candidate they picked.
The reason I said the redneck example was a bad one, is because of what you just said. Most openly racist White people probably would have voted for McCain (which says alot actually). Its the White people who were either on the fence, or not openly racist. Like I said, there are a lot of people who may not be flat out racist...but still not comfortable having a Black president. I can ONLY see his race helping him with the Black vote. But absolutely not with the White vote, and Whites make up a much larger percentage of the voting public. And this isnt even including any other races, only Whites and Blacks. Its difficult to compare Kerry and Obamas percentages because of the mindset of the country at the time of both elections. Had Kerry ran in this election instead of Obama, he very well could have seen the same types of percentages from those two groups. I personally think he would have seen a slightly higher percentage amongst White voters than Obama did, and a slightly lower percentage amongst Black voters than Obama did. The people were fed up with Bush, completely. Again, McCain was unfortunate enough to be the Republican candidate FOLLOWING Bush. When Kerry ran, Bush was able to campaign on fear. The American people were convinced that a change in President during wartime would spell doom for the country lol. Presidents popularity tends to increase during war.
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Go to a school anywhere in California and see how many Mexicans can get away with saying "white boy" in a derogatory way, then see what happens to the kid who says "spic".
Its the price to be paid for living in a society where Whites are still on top. I'm sure any minority group out there would trade in their ability to call a white guy a "white boy", in exchange for running the country
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Go to a school anywhere in California and see how many Mexicans can get away with saying "white boy" in a derogatory way, then see what happens to the kid who says "spic".
Its the price to be paid for living in a society where Whites are still on top. I'm sure any minority group out there would trade in their ability to call a white guy a "white boy", in exchange for running the country
Lol. So its ok because white people are in "power". Can I walk around calling every black dude a nigger cause the presidents half black?
And I think youre giving people who would say that too much credit, its like saying minorities are racist because they are subjugated and whites are racist because they wanna be. BS.
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"White boy" and "nigger" are nowhere close to being of equal disrespect. Come on now.
"Check out this fucking white boy"
"Check out this fucking nigger"
LOL huge difference.
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"White boy" and "nigger" are nowhere close to being of equal disrespect. Come on now.
"Check out this fucking white boy"
"Check out this fucking nigger"
LOL huge difference.
Historically it has more negative connotations no doubt. Doesn't mean that they both aren't racist. In our PC society, it seems people wanna act like racism doesn't work from every angle.
Race is such a huge issue, and it isn't looked at fairly. Look at whoopi goldberg calling trump a racist because he asked why obama hasn't released his long form birth certificate. Look at the tea party (whom i do not agree with, they seem like a group of neocons in disguise) who dared to protest a black president, and are called racist by media everywhere.
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Go to a school anywhere in California and see how many Mexicans can get away with saying "white boy" in a derogatory way, then see what happens to the kid who says "spic".
Its the price to be paid for living in a society where Whites are still on top. I'm sure any minority group out there would trade in their ability to call a white guy a "white boy", in exchange for running the country
Or maybe white people would simply have to got through hell on earth in a society in which white people are a poor, powerless minority.
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Go to a school anywhere in California and see how many Mexicans can get away with saying "white boy" in a derogatory way, then see what happens to the kid who says "spic".
Its the price to be paid for living in a society where Whites are still on top. I'm sure any minority group out there would trade in their ability to call a white guy a "white boy", in exchange for running the country
Or maybe white people would simply have to got through hell on earth in a society in which white people are a poor, powerless minority.
Lol. They did. First and Second wave immigration to the US. The irish built many of the highways and infastructure because it was such a dangerous job and got paid shit for it, and experienced often violent discrimination from "natives". Shows their position in society pretty well. Just one example. Theres many more.
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Go to a school anywhere in California and see how many Mexicans can get away with saying "white boy" in a derogatory way, then see what happens to the kid who says "spic".
Its the price to be paid for living in a society where Whites are still on top. I'm sure any minority group out there would trade in their ability to call a white guy a "white boy", in exchange for running the country
Or maybe white people would simply have to got through hell on earth in a society in which white people are a poor, powerless minority.
Lol. They did. First and Second wave immigration to the US. The irish built many of the highways and infastructure because it was such a dangerous job and got paid shit for it, and experienced often violent discrimination from "natives". Shows their position in society pretty well. Just one example. Theres many more.
Yup, or even in the likes of West Indies, it wasn't just black slaves, they had white slaves too, but no one gave a shit about that because it was white convicts summoned by the British empire to work on the plantations. However it's not pc to say that either, the truth is, that the truth is frowned upon.
By the way, just so we are clear, ALL political parties, or at least those who get talked about devilish fucks, including the tea party. They all pretty much sing from the same hymn sheet, some of the lines are sung in a more fluid, persuasive way that's all. It's not about what you do, it's how you sell it.
You are right about trump by the way, but he is another parasite too. You reach a point where you realise that the overwhelming majority of people are just utterly mindless, they must be for this whole oh we mustn't say anything because it might be considered racist. More like they don't have the intellectual capacity to articulate their point and they are just spineless.
"Yes we can" no you fucking can't!, stupid dumb fucks, who parrot every word without even considering what it is they are repeating.
Brazil, China, India and South Africa are the global players now, but most people don't have a clue, caught up in the bullshit falsehoods, empty rhetoric and cherishing it like it's something golden. Thanks to these mindless dickheads, they have completely destroyed the growing sentiment against war by depoliticising it, suddenly the democrats start saying well it's no big deal.
I wonder who are the biggest puppets? these political scumbags? or the brain dead who it turns don't have any beliefs or principles, no moral stands, just ideas, not their own ideas, ideas fed to them, they giveth then they taketh away and these tools don't notice the difference.
Obama has carried on the mantle of robbing the public blind, they talk out of both sides of their mouth, telling you on the hand that bankrupting the nation to the banks is good, but then you are bad, you must pay. Trapped, ensnared, in this false paradigm, but hey....dude the new ps3 phone is out and my president is black so it's all good!
Just to illustrate how deep some of these people are...and this is deep man
you're gay son, that's all i have 2 say... it's not even worth tha time... sorry buddy u fucked up, i can talk Politics all day (something people don't know about) and u just fucked yourself. i don't wanna talk 2 u anymore... you're holding your ground as AntiGovernment/AntiObama-Let's Praise Bush/Let's Act Like Obama Hasn't Done Anything Beneficial For The Country type of mode, it's a turn off and you're wrong.
1st i'm from Maine and now I can't stay on topic, nah son you're reaching and you're trying to save face. you're done son, it's over, new ball game, pick another topic, you lost and u look dumb so just take the L' and continue on with your life honestly. i would've read what you had 2 say and responded to u without the insult becuz i'm 1 of the few capable of having a mature conversation but u wanna 2 cry and stick to tha old "fuck u you're wrong" story and so i'm done.
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You can say the more the government does, the more they fuck up. Another could say the more fucked up Americans are, the more the government has to do.
And that's exactly the problem. If the government fails at war in Afghanistan, then they say we have to stay longer and waste more money. If the government fails in medicaid and medicare, then they say we have to waste more money and expand it to Universal healthcare; if the government fails in education, then they say we need more money to support failing schools... this is the exact opposite from the free market. In the free market you have to give results or your business will fail and people won't support you. But we are forced to support the government, follow their laws, and pay their taxes no matter how often they fail. Look at Enron for example. When Enron fucked up, it didn't mean shit to me, because I was never forced to deal with Enron. But when the war on drugs fucked up, I am still forced to fund it in taxes, and I still have to rearrange my life to get around their marijuana laws. Get what I'm sayin?
Are you a complete idiot? Your little analogies make no sense. Letting a privately-owned company fail is completely different than letting the educational system that our entire country relies on fail. But come to think of it, maybe it already has if people like you are making asinine comments such as this.
The education system, medicade, etc. aren't business models. Their purpose isn't to make anyone money. They are here as basic necessities that everyone should have a right to. If your business idea fails and you don't make a ton of money, too bad for you. Its not a big deal to the rest of the country. But why in the blue hell would you be arguing against people being given the basic right to live and the chance to survive in this world?
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The education system, medicade, etc. aren't business models. Their purpose isn't to make anyone money. They are here as basic necessities that everyone should have a right to. If your business idea fails and you don't make a ton of money, too bad for you. Its not a big deal to the rest of the country. But why in the blue hell would you be arguing against people being given the basic right to live and the chance to survive in this world?
This I don't get. How is medicare a right? Liberty is a right. Being taxed and than given substandard healthcare assistance isn't. It's helpful, and in this nanny state the USA is becoming, pretty necessary, but it is in no way a right.
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The education system, medicade, etc. aren't business models. Their purpose isn't to make anyone money. They are here as basic necessities that everyone should have a right to. If your business idea fails and you don't make a ton of money, too bad for you. Its not a big deal to the rest of the country. But why in the blue hell would you be arguing against people being given the basic right to live and the chance to survive in this world?
This I don't get. How is medicare a right? Liberty is a right. Being taxed and than given substandard healthcare assistance isn't. It's helpful, and in this nanny state the USA is becoming, pretty necessary, but it is in no way a right.
You're right in that it could use much improvement. However health care is better than no health care.
How is Liberty more of a right? You'd rather be free than alive?
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Go to a school anywhere in California and see how many Mexicans can get away with saying "white boy" in a derogatory way, then see what happens to the kid who says "spic".
Its the price to be paid for living in a society where Whites are still on top. I'm sure any minority group out there would trade in their ability to call a white guy a "white boy", in exchange for running the country
Lol. So its ok because white people are in "power". Can I walk around calling every black dude a nigger cause the presidents half black?
And I think youre giving people who would say that too much credit, its like saying minorities are racist because they are subjugated and whites are racist because they wanna be. BS.
A black man is president does not equate to black people having equal power in society. If Hilary had won would the sexes suddenly be equal? lol
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Go to a school anywhere in California and see how many Mexicans can get away with saying "white boy" in a derogatory way, then see what happens to the kid who says "spic".
Its the price to be paid for living in a society where Whites are still on top. I'm sure any minority group out there would trade in their ability to call a white guy a "white boy", in exchange for running the country
Or maybe white people would simply have to got through hell on earth in a society in which white people are a poor, powerless minority.
Lol. They did. First and Second wave immigration to the US. The irish built many of the highways and infastructure because it was such a dangerous job and got paid shit for it, and experienced often violent discrimination from "natives". Shows their position in society pretty well. Just one example. Theres many more.
That's an interesting example to use because when the Irish first immigrated they weren't seen as white people. They were seen as inferior beings, like other minority groups. Obviously the fact you and others now claim them as "one of us" shows how perspectives have shifted over time.
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The education system, medicade, etc. aren't business models. Their purpose isn't to make anyone money. They are here as basic necessities that everyone should have a right to. If your business idea fails and you don't make a ton of money, too bad for you. Its not a big deal to the rest of the country. But why in the blue hell would you be arguing against people being given the basic right to live and the chance to survive in this world?
This I don't get. How is medicare a right? Liberty is a right. Being taxed and than given substandard healthcare assistance isn't. It's helpful, and in this nanny state the USA is becoming, pretty necessary, but it is in no way a right.
You're right in that it could use much improvement. However health care is better than no health care.
How is Liberty more of a right? You'd rather be free than alive?
That's a pointless question since you didn't answer the question: how is medicare a right?
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The education system, medicade, etc. aren't business models. Their purpose isn't to make anyone money. They are here as basic necessities that everyone should have a right to. If your business idea fails and you don't make a ton of money, too bad for you. Its not a big deal to the rest of the country. But why in the blue hell would you be arguing against people being given the basic right to live and the chance to survive in this world?
This I don't get. How is medicare a right? Liberty is a right. Being taxed and than given substandard healthcare assistance isn't. It's helpful, and in this nanny state the USA is becoming, pretty necessary, but it is in no way a right.
You're right in that it could use much improvement. However health care is better than no health care.
How is Liberty more of a right? You'd rather be free than alive?
That's a pointless question since you didn't answer the question: how is medicare a right?
Not medicare itself. BUt imo having available health care is a right everyone should have. Medicare is one of the current attempts at that goal.
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The education system, medicade, etc. aren't business models. Their purpose isn't to make anyone money. They are here as basic necessities that everyone should have a right to. If your business idea fails and you don't make a ton of money, too bad for you. Its not a big deal to the rest of the country. But why in the blue hell would you be arguing against people being given the basic right to live and the chance to survive in this world?
This I don't get. How is medicare a right? Liberty is a right. Being taxed and than given substandard healthcare assistance isn't. It's helpful, and in this nanny state the USA is becoming, pretty necessary, but it is in no way a right.
You're right in that it could use much improvement. However health care is better than no health care.
How is Liberty more of a right? You'd rather be free than alive?
That's a pointless question since you didn't answer the question: how is medicare a right?
Not medicare itself. BUt imo having available health care is a right everyone should have. Medicare is one of the current attempts at that goal.
Ok, first off, competition = better service and lower prices. Because we have a system run by the insurance industry and govt, we have higher costs 4 everything. U can't see a doctor for less than 50 bucks because everyone needs their cut. That's what he was saying by using a business analogy and applying it to health care.
Health care is not guaranteed. People who want universal health care want a wider net to be cast (more people covered), ok, who will pay for that? The taxpayers who already probably pay for healthcare will foot the bill and over time it will become harder and harder to sustain. Social security crisis, medicade crisis, ring a bell??
Next, would i rather be free than anything else? Yeah, I would. If you were born in another country beside the US (3rd world, etc), you would feel the same because you would know what it was like not to have freedom. In fact, "Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" is literally guaranteed to us, not health care, the govt paying our bills, cheap college tuition, or things like that. Would that be nice? Sure, but it is not practical.
Last, I never said having a black pres made everyone equal. That was simply an example since you said it was ok (or at least kinda justified) for other races to denegrate whites because they "rule the country", when clearly that is no longer the case. Just using the same standard u used. And yeah, that does mean, from the political systems standpoint, that a black man or any other person of any color can reach the same heights as a white person. Does that mean that no one is racist ever? Well of course not, because that is impossible, especially judging from some of the responses in this thread. The best you can hope for is a system that isn't unproportionally unfair to one group of people, and that is rapidly eroding as we speak.
I used the example of the Irish being discriminated on because it proves that the newer the race of people is to the country in mainstream society, the harder they have it. This is not an experience limited to "people of color" like people nowadays like to think. This is not a different perspective, actually its the opposite, because history repeats itself.
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Ok, first off, competition = better service and lower prices. Because we have a system run by the insurance industry and govt, we have higher costs 4 everything. U can't see a doctor for less than 50 bucks because everyone needs their cut. That's what he was saying by using a business analogy and applying it to health care.
You're living in a fantasy world. If that were true don't you think every industry would have dirt cheap prices? In the real business world, businesses are out to make money by any means possible. Prices fluctuate based on a variety of reasons. They can be low at times, but they can also be sky high. Businesses rise and fall overnight. Why would you entrust something as important as health care to this kind of system?
It boggles the mind how someone who doesn't trust the government wants to place their well-being in the hands of corporations.
Health care is not guaranteed. People who want universal health care want a wider net to be cast (more people covered), ok, who will pay for that? The taxpayers who already probably pay for healthcare will foot the bill and over time it will become harder and harder to sustain. Social security crisis, medicade crisis, ring a bell??
Imo this is a null argument to make based on real world examples. If every other country is able to sustain some sort of universal health care then we can too. The government may waste a lot of money away, but health care should be one of its priorities.
Next, would i rather be free than anything else? Yeah, I would. If you were born in another country beside the US (3rd world, etc), you would feel the same because you would know what it was like not to have freedom. In fact, "Life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" is literally guaranteed to us, not health care, the govt paying our bills, cheap college tuition, or things like that. Would that be nice? Sure, but it is not practical.
I'm sure you'd rather be alive than free. That's an extreme example, but still.
btw, cheap college tuition is way more practical than your right to bear arms or smoke cigarettes. In today's world a college degree is pretty much required for a decent job. It makes sense for this service to be offered to everyone.
Last, I never said having a black pres made everyone equal. That was simply an example since you said it was ok (or at least kinda justified) for other races to denegrate whites because they "rule the country", when clearly that is no longer the case. Just using the same standard u used.
Where did "I" say it was okay? I haven't spoken on that at all.
But I do want to touch on what you said. Since when is "white boy" a derogatory term?
And yeah, that does mean, from the political systems standpoint, that a black man or any other person of any color can reach the same heights as a white person.
And on average the climb is much much harder. One particular instance does not make a generality.
The best you can hope for is a system that isn't unproportionally unfair to one group of people, and that is rapidly eroding as we speak.
The US has come a long way and its a lot better off than it was 15 years ago. But it still has quite a ways to go.
I used the example of the Irish being discriminated on because it proves that the newer the race of people is to the country in mainstream society, the harder they have it. This is not an experience limited to "people of color" like people nowadays like to think. This is not a different perspective, actually its the opposite, because history repeats itself.
lol again, one example does not prove anything. In fact I'll disprove it right now. Native Americans and Hispanics have had it hard and they were here before the white people. Honestly when it comes to history repeating itself, what I've seen in America is whites discriminating against any group of people they find different.
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If you don't see that the govt is a corporation, then i dont know what to tell you. I never said they automatically have dirt cheap prices, this isn't black and white. Competition breeds better services and prices. Right now, and the way things are headed, we will have less choices, more waiting, more of a strapped system. You can't compare our country to Canada or the UK because of our poverty level (aka more deadbeats for the mainstream taxpayer to support in universal health care) and huge population. The cost of health care skyrockets because of the insurance companies involvement, instead of being able to pay out of pocket directly to a physician for routine services and having insurance only for catastrophes, we have insurance involved in every aspect of health care. The system that people like you want will not solve that fundamental problem.
You are confusing "practical" with "ideal". Freedom is practical because it doesn't force anything on anyone, and gives the power of choice (IE you want it, go out and get it). Of course it would be nice for everyone to go to college, but how would this be FINANCIALLY practical? It wouldn't be. The govt would go broke (broker than it already is) and not to mention the adverse negative effects it would have on quality of education and class size.
As for the white boy thing its all about the context, you cant possibly pretend that this term cant be offensive in the right situation. No its not the same as saying nigger its just funny the double standard people have in our country. If I said "black boy" I would be crucified and probably end up on the news lol.
And saying that the climb for blacks in politics is much harder isnt a generality? My point is, there is no law or political standard that makes it a tougher climb. Problems within their own communities (drugs, gangs, broken families) are the culprits, not a racist system. Notice i didnt say "there arent any racists"?
Native Americans are a completely different issue. They even have their own govts aka they dont fit into our political debate like the other racial groups. They have proportionally ridiculously higher alcoholism rates which is a huge self perpetuating problem right there. Hispanics, they suffer from the fact that their actual country's govt is weak, cant get rid of cartels, and have no real freedom/democracy. So they go back and forth from here to there and become a permanent low class. The more assimilated they get the more they will be able to succeed (learning the language, valuing education, etc). Look at asians, they come here and place a high value on education and succeed because of it. These problems have little to do with contemporary white discrimination.