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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on May 11, 2011, 11:40:17 PM
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I remember back in the day when I was a kid listening to hip-hop all artists and fans were highly opinionated. Remember reading the fans comments section at the front of the Source back in the day? Even respected big-name artists like Dre, Snoop, Nas caught hell back in those times from fans and fellow artists. The game was way more competitive.
Listen to Common's track "I Used To Love Her" and he disses the fuck out of West Coast rap and rappers (and then likewise WSC response record). Then on the other side you had "New York, New York" with Snoop and making fun of the East Coast at the beggining of the track "what up god..yo I got mad skillz" and kickin down buildings and ofcourse the legendary 2pac beefs everybody knows about those I don't have to mention it. But you also had even East Coast crews dissin other East Coast crews skills, like Boot Camp dissin Biggie, and Biggie even said back then that the game was wack and that he only listened to himself and Junior Mafia....
So how did it go from that, to today where artists and fans feel obligated to say "He makin his money... he's doin his thang... I respect his hustle... " ...even if they aren't feeling the music or feel and artists is wack. Like in the case of Lil Wayne, artists and fans that don't even like his music don't speak against him they just say... "I respect his hustle, he's getting his".
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Do you check forums? Rappers get shitted on daily by fans. Even west coast rappers get shitted on at dubcc.
As far as rappers dissing entire coasts, why would they go back to that stupid, meaningless shit that caused the deaths of hip hop's two biggest names? The media were hyping that shit up and caused the violence to happen, so its no wonder magazines like the Source would be avoiding that.
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Niggas is bitchmade nowadays thats why. Thats why all these should be fly by night mcs come out and get excused for not knowin how to rap.
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Cats back in the day had originallity and intelligence behind their lyrics. Shit that got peoples ears tinglin, and your mind active when listening. I'd say the listeners expected more content like that. Now days it's more bout gettin somethin just to vibe to. Most current stuff is straight trash in comparison. These new peeps just want the image. No skills, no peers settin standards to have a healthy competition with,
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Because as soon as they say they don?t like something or someone they get labeled a Hater.
Its not just rappers, the word "hater" has removed every posibilty of disliking something, because then everyone call you a hater.
Fuck that, i hate a lot of things but i`m not a hater.
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Because as soon as they say they don?t like something or someone they get labeled a Hater.
Its not just rappers, the word "hater" has removed every posibilty of disliking something, because then everyone call you a hater.
Fuck that, i hate a lot of things but i`m not a hater.
I feel you. Too much ignant shit talk on the net.
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Because as soon as they say they don?t like something or someone they get labeled a Hater.
Its not just rappers, the word "hater" has removed every posibilty of disliking something, because then everyone call you a hater.
Fuck that, i hate a lot of things but i`m not a hater.
I swear this is true. Even when you explain why you dont like some shit you still a hater. 95% of the niggas on this board is blind sheep. I dont even bother arguin wit em cuz you use logic n facts to prove they dont know what the fuck they talkin bout n their replies be "Your a hater" or "U Mad". Its like arguin wit a 10 year old kid.
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Because people need excuses to support artists like Lil B' or Gucci Mane.
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Because as soon as they say they don?t like something or someone they get labeled a Hater.
Its not just rappers, the word "hater" has removed every posibilty of disliking something, because then everyone call you a hater.
Fuck that, i hate a lot of things but i`m not a hater.
I swear this is true. Even when you explain why you dont like some shit you still a hater. 95% of the niggas on this board is blind sheep. I dont even bother arguin wit em cuz you use logic n facts to prove they dont know what the fuck they talkin bout n their replies be "Your a hater" or "U Mad". Its like arguin wit a 10 year old kid.
u mad?
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Because as soon as they say they don?t like something or someone they get labeled a Hater.
Its not just rappers, the word "hater" has removed every posibilty of disliking something, because then everyone call you a hater.
Fuck that, i hate a lot of things but i`m not a hater.
I swear this is true. Even when you explain why you dont like some shit you still a hater. 95% of the niggas on this board is blind sheep. I dont even bother arguin wit em cuz you use logic n facts to prove they dont know what the fuck they talkin bout n their replies be "Your a hater" or "U Mad". Its like arguin wit a 10 year old kid.
Mysonne actually talked about that. It's like, the entire point of these forums is to give your opinion & when you give it, you're a hater if you don't like something. There is no point of asking, "do you like this?" when if you say "no", you're a hater lol.
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Rappers aren't childish anymore. Also, thanks to the wider appeal that has come along with the internet they don't want to alienate anybody. However, these artists definitely still see it as a competition. Each rapper is trying to "hustle" more than his peer, that's for sure.
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Its just the new gimmick. Rap is a very gimmicky genre of music because of the age of a lot of it's fans. Go to a high school and you can see all the kids wearing shirts with "hater" and/or "hustler" on them when they know damn well they have to be home for dinner at 6 pm or their grounded and they never "hustled" a day in their life outside of their job at Jack in the Box.
Its the same as in the last few decades when fans respected artists who were seen as gangsters and tough guys, now this has been replaced with rappers who are "hustlers". In 10 yrs it will be something else, probably even stupider.
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Its just the new gimmick. Rap is a very gimmicky genre of music because of the age of a lot of it's fans. Go to a high school and you can see all the kids wearing shirts with "hater" and/or "hustler" on them when they know damn well they have to be home for dinner at 6 pm or their grounded and they never "hustled" a day in their life outside of their job at Jack in the Box.
Its the same as in the last few decades when fans respected artists who were seen as gangsters and tough guys, now this has been replaced with rappers who are "hustlers". In 10 yrs it will be something else, probably even stupider.
It's not stupid to brag about working hard. That's basically the current definition of "hustle".
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Its just the new gimmick. Rap is a very gimmicky genre of music because of the age of a lot of it's fans. Go to a high school and you can see all the kids wearing shirts with "hater" and/or "hustler" on them when they know damn well they have to be home for dinner at 6 pm or their grounded and they never "hustled" a day in their life outside of their job at Jack in the Box.
Its the same as in the last few decades when fans respected artists who were seen as gangsters and tough guys, now this has been replaced with rappers who are "hustlers". In 10 yrs it will be something else, probably even stupider.
It's not stupid to brag about working hard. That's basically the current definition of "hustle".
No but bragging about shit + not being a good rapper is laughable.
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Its just the new gimmick. Rap is a very gimmicky genre of music because of the age of a lot of it's fans. Go to a high school and you can see all the kids wearing shirts with "hater" and/or "hustler" on them when they know damn well they have to be home for dinner at 6 pm or their grounded and they never "hustled" a day in their life outside of their job at Jack in the Box.
Its the same as in the last few decades when fans respected artists who were seen as gangsters and tough guys, now this has been replaced with rappers who are "hustlers". In 10 yrs it will be something else, probably even stupider.
It's not stupid to brag about working hard. That's basically the current definition of "hustle".
No but bragging about shit + not being a good rapper is laughable.
I don't find in laughable because an artist can do whatever they want. If a person doesn't like it, they just move on.
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Its just the new gimmick. Rap is a very gimmicky genre of music because of the age of a lot of it's fans. Go to a high school and you can see all the kids wearing shirts with "hater" and/or "hustler" on them when they know damn well they have to be home for dinner at 6 pm or their grounded and they never "hustled" a day in their life outside of their job at Jack in the Box.
Its the same as in the last few decades when fans respected artists who were seen as gangsters and tough guys, now this has been replaced with rappers who are "hustlers". In 10 yrs it will be something else, probably even stupider.
It's not stupid to brag about working hard. That's basically the current definition of "hustle".
No but bragging about shit + not being a good rapper is laughable.
why? not unless they're bragging about rap skill
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Its just the new gimmick. Rap is a very gimmicky genre of music because of the age of a lot of it's fans. Go to a high school and you can see all the kids wearing shirts with "hater" and/or "hustler" on them when they know damn well they have to be home for dinner at 6 pm or their grounded and they never "hustled" a day in their life outside of their job at Jack in the Box.
Its the same as in the last few decades when fans respected artists who were seen as gangsters and tough guys, now this has been replaced with rappers who are "hustlers". In 10 yrs it will be something else, probably even stupider.
It's not stupid to brag about working hard. That's basically the current definition of "hustle".
No but bragging about shit + not being a good rapper is laughable.
why? not unless they're bragging about rap skill
What's the point in being the hardest working bad rapper?
Is that someone you'd give credit to?
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So how did it go from that, to today where artists and fans feel obligated to say "He makin his money... he's doin his thang... I respect his hustle... " ...even if they aren't feeling the music or feel and artists is wack. Like in the case of Lil Wayne, artists and fans that don't even like his music don't speak against him they just say... "I respect his hustle, he's getting his".
Because rappers are getting worse and worse, so since they can't compliment their music, they compliment their hustle.
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Its just the new gimmick. Rap is a very gimmicky genre of music because of the age of a lot of it's fans. Go to a high school and you can see all the kids wearing shirts with "hater" and/or "hustler" on them when they know damn well they have to be home for dinner at 6 pm or their grounded and they never "hustled" a day in their life outside of their job at Jack in the Box.
Its the same as in the last few decades when fans respected artists who were seen as gangsters and tough guys, now this has been replaced with rappers who are "hustlers". In 10 yrs it will be something else, probably even stupider.
It's not stupid to brag about working hard. That's basically the current definition of "hustle".
No but bragging about shit + not being a good rapper is laughable.
why? not unless they're bragging about rap skill
What's the point in being the hardest working bad rapper?
Is that someone you'd give credit to?
A bad rapper to you might not be a bad rapper to somebody else.
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Its just the new gimmick. Rap is a very gimmicky genre of music because of the age of a lot of it's fans. Go to a high school and you can see all the kids wearing shirts with "hater" and/or "hustler" on them when they know damn well they have to be home for dinner at 6 pm or their grounded and they never "hustled" a day in their life outside of their job at Jack in the Box.
Its the same as in the last few decades when fans respected artists who were seen as gangsters and tough guys, now this has been replaced with rappers who are "hustlers". In 10 yrs it will be something else, probably even stupider.
It's not stupid to brag about working hard. That's basically the current definition of "hustle".
No but bragging about shit + not being a good rapper is laughable.
why? not unless they're bragging about rap skill
What's the point in being the hardest working bad rapper?
Is that someone you'd give credit to?
A bad rapper to you might not be a bad rapper to somebody else.
Yes might be.
But the argument that gets banded around about 'good music is only someones opinion' doesn't 100% hold water.
Of couse a person can have an idea about what is good and whats not - but that's a separate discussion.
"Damn man, how can you say The Chronic is a better album than the Crazy Frog album?!?!...thats just YOUR opinion!!" :cheers:
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Its just the new gimmick. Rap is a very gimmicky genre of music because of the age of a lot of it's fans. Go to a high school and you can see all the kids wearing shirts with "hater" and/or "hustler" on them when they know damn well they have to be home for dinner at 6 pm or their grounded and they never "hustled" a day in their life outside of their job at Jack in the Box.
Its the same as in the last few decades when fans respected artists who were seen as gangsters and tough guys, now this has been replaced with rappers who are "hustlers". In 10 yrs it will be something else, probably even stupider.
It's not stupid to brag about working hard. That's basically the current definition of "hustle".
No but bragging about shit + not being a good rapper is laughable.
why? not unless they're bragging about rap skill
What's the point in being the hardest working bad rapper?
Is that someone you'd give credit to?
A bad rapper to you might not be a bad rapper to somebody else.
Yes obviously there are different opinions on music here but i think we are talking about rappers with 90 percent "hustle" and 10 percent skill getting praise for being "good hustlers" rather than getting shitted on for being bad rappers. Not everything's relative you know, of course we have the freedom to think that way, but reality is reality.
What's the value of someone who works hard at something they're terrible at? Lol.
Bottom line is if someone is listening to a rap song to hear someone talk about how good they are at business while simultaneously sucking at the actual art of rapping, that is laughable and the person listening is probably retarded in the brain.
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Who are these rappers?
EDIT: And I bring this up because I know for a fact that whoever is mentioned, there will be some quality that makes them a successful rapper.
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Its just the new gimmick. Rap is a very gimmicky genre of music because of the age of a lot of it's fans. Go to a high school and you can see all the kids wearing shirts with "hater" and/or "hustler" on them when they know damn well they have to be home for dinner at 6 pm or their grounded and they never "hustled" a day in their life outside of their job at Jack in the Box.
Its the same as in the last few decades when fans respected artists who were seen as gangsters and tough guys, now this has been replaced with rappers who are "hustlers". In 10 yrs it will be something else, probably even stupider.
It's not stupid to brag about working hard. That's basically the current definition of "hustle".
No but bragging about shit + not being a good rapper is laughable.
why? not unless they're bragging about rap skill
What's the point in being the hardest working bad rapper?
Is that someone you'd give credit to?
Would I give credit to that? No, its not really something I think about. But I don't see what's laughable about it. They're being successful.
Whether a rapper is bad or not is subjective and depends on personal preference. A lot of people would say Snoop sucks ass but yet its a big deal on this forum when he drops an album. Obviously someone must like these rappers if they're popular.
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Whether a rapper is bad or not is subjective and depends on personal preference.
Not 100%. It can be true, but not in every case.
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Who are these rappers?
EDIT: And I bring this up because I know for a fact that whoever is mentioned, there will be some quality that makes them a successful rapper.
Here's how i'll answer that: If you think of a rapper in your head, and the first thing that comes to your mind is "hustler" and not "rapper (or some adjective regarding his actual skill on the mic/boards)", then he probably sucks and doesn't deserve to get credit for "hustling" a product he's no good at making.
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Who are these rappers?
EDIT: And I bring this up because I know for a fact that whoever is mentioned, there will be some quality that makes them a successful rapper.
Here's how i'll answer that: If you think of a rapper in your head, and the first thing that comes to your mind is "hustler" and not "rapper (or some adjective regarding his actual skill on the mic/boards)", then he probably sucks and doesn't deserve to get credit for "hustling" a product he's no good at making.
Eh, rappers that might be weak lyrically can put on a hell of a fucking live show.
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Who are these rappers?
EDIT: And I bring this up because I know for a fact that whoever is mentioned, there will be some quality that makes them a successful rapper.
Here's how i'll answer that: If you think of a rapper in your head, and the first thing that comes to your mind is "hustler" and not "rapper (or some adjective regarding his actual skill on the mic/boards)", then he probably sucks and doesn't deserve to get credit for "hustling" a product he's no good at making.
Eh, rappers that might be weak lyrically can put on a hell of a fucking live show.
Ok, then he would have at least some redeemable skills as an MC. That is different from simply being a good self promoter, etc.
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Dumb thread, old stereotypical baseless rhetoric. Its sum Fox News vs Barack Obama chit in real life.
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This whole entire imaginary debate iz baseless becuz there`s 1000000 emcee`s doing conscience rap, there`s 1000000 emcee`s doing gangsta rap, and there`s 5000000 doing everything in between music. Oh yeah, and there`s 1000000000 rapper`s from another day complaining about rap so that means they must be getting at something or someone and its going over all of our heads. Im sorry but if youre man who droppd a classic in 95 who released music every 3 years that was subpar or wack then he was just never all what yu make him out 2 be in tha 1st place. I cant believe im even giving this topic attention 4real 4real and thats coming from tha heart.
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Some of u old heads r so naive, conceited, and egotistical and believe that your generation can only define ``wack`` like we dont have a sense of whats wack/weak even tho we be shuttin u corny niggaz out lol. This whole entire arguement is pointless and unfounded at that. I hope u fools die from Bieber fever or gag to death by Lady Gaga or get set up and killed by a California Girl who looks like Katy Perry or get your throat slit and catch herpes in a Minaj by two girls that look like Nicki.
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Whether a rapper is bad or not is subjective and depends on personal preference.
Not 100%. It can be true, but not in every case.
Like?
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Whether a rapper is bad or not is subjective and depends on personal preference.
Not 100%. It can be true, but not in every case.
Like?
Like Spice 1. Everybody knows and agrees that nigga's wack.
how was your leave of absence? Looks like it didn't change your sullen outlook on life
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you know what infant for once i agree with you
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Rappers are probably afraid to say they don't like another artist because they'll be labeled a "hater" and in some cases will get shelved or even blackballed or dropped from the label.
Most rappers don't want tp speak out against a "Lil Wayne" cause they want him for that radio single so they can try and sell some records.
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Whether a rapper is bad or not is subjective and depends on personal preference.
Not 100%. It can be true, but not in every case.
Like?
Like? You really want me to name an example? :laugh:
1) Think of the worst rapper you know
2) compare it to a guy you rate the best out of all your years listening to rap, learning what makes rap/rappers good and forming your own educated opinion of why that guy is good, why you rate him and know (obviously) he's way better than rapper 1.
3) I'll tell you thats just YOUR opinion and they are both the same. :laugh:
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Some of u old heads r so naive, conceited, and egotistical and believe that your generation can only define ``wack`` like we dont have a sense of whats wack/weak even tho we be shuttin u corny niggaz out lol. This whole entire arguement is pointless and unfounded at that. I hope u fools die from Bieber fever or gag to death by Lady Gaga or get set up and killed by a California Girl who looks like Katy Perry or get your throat slit and catch herpes in a Minaj by two girls that look like Nicki.
so u turned this into a debate of old vs new? most posts were about judging talent in more black/white terms vs talent being more subjective. who the fuck even brought that up besides u and like 1 other person?
And really, do u still buy into the 2 party system in this country?
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you know what infant for once i agree with you
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But it is an ``old vs. new`` thing. the og`s in tha game felt like they werent getting enuff respect and were being ``blackballed``, cmon son dont act like you dont know that. Their is still a 2-party system except tha og`z r like the equivolent to tha Tea Party. Smh, critics always wanna bitch and diss everybody and hand out their version of tha truth but they can never handle it when tha truth comes out bitin them in tha ass. Tha proof is in this thread, thats y i dont even be paying threads like these any attention. U got a buncha know-it-allz who cant read between tha lines and dont even know where niggaz r really from. Sometimes i gotta sit up here and wonder do yall even listen to Rap music at all or just certain artists and you`re too gay to listen to anything new.
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Who are these rappers?
EDIT: And I bring this up because I know for a fact that whoever is mentioned, there will be some quality that makes them a successful rapper.
Here's how i'll answer that: If you think of a rapper in your head, and the first thing that comes to your mind is "hustler" and not "rapper (or some adjective regarding his actual skill on the mic/boards)", then he probably sucks and doesn't deserve to get credit for "hustling" a product he's no good at making.
Eh, rappers that might be weak lyrically can put on a hell of a fucking live show.
Ok, then he would have at least some redeemable skills as an MC. That is different from simply being a good self promoter, etc.
That's why I asked to start naming rappers because lots of rappers aren't lyrical geniuses but they use other qualities to be an overall good rapper. Some of these qualities might not just be some people's preferred style.
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But it is an ``old vs. new`` thing. the og`s in tha game felt like they werent getting enuff respect and were being ``blackballed``, cmon son dont act like you dont know that. Their is still a 2-party system except tha og`z r like the equivolent to tha Tea Party. Smh, critics always wanna bitch and diss everybody and hand out their version of tha truth but they can never handle it when tha truth comes out bitin them in tha ass. Tha proof is in this thread, thats y i dont even be paying threads like these any attention. U got a buncha know-it-allz who cant read between tha lines and dont even know where niggaz r really from. Sometimes i gotta sit up here and wonder do yall even listen to Rap music at all or just certain artists and you`re too gay to listen to anything new.
You are not understanding what is going on here. The debate, again, is mostly about perception of talent vs. talent being more concrete or black and white. No one here is really even making distinction between new and old, just between talent and no talent; and how much "hustling" your music should be taken seriously over the amount of talent a dude has. You interject the new vs. old argument to pit yourself against others who in your mind don't know anything and supposedly don't have the right taste in music. If you want to argue about that, just make a topic about it, or post in an old one which there are plenty of.
And the 2 party system is pretty much a 1 party system my friend. Both prop up the same system while one side panders to white conservative america and the other panders to you, while simultaneously fucking all of us over. If you want to believe in that, go ahead, but please don't vote.
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But it is an ``old vs. new`` thing. the og`s in tha game felt like they werent getting enuff respect and were being ``blackballed``, cmon son dont act like you dont know that. Their is still a 2-party system except tha og`z r like the equivolent to tha Tea Party. Smh, critics always wanna bitch and diss everybody and hand out their version of tha truth but they can never handle it when tha truth comes out bitin them in tha ass. Tha proof is in this thread, thats y i dont even be paying threads like these any attention. U got a buncha know-it-allz who cant read between tha lines and dont even know where niggaz r really from. Sometimes i gotta sit up here and wonder do yall even listen to Rap music at all or just certain artists and you`re too gay to listen to anything new.
You are not understanding what is going on here. The debate, again, is mostly about perception of talent vs. talent being more concrete or black and white. No one here is really even making distinction between new and old, just between talent and no talent; and how much "hustling" your music should be taken seriously over the amount of talent a dude has. You interject the new vs. old argument to pit yourself against others who in your mind don't know anything and supposedly don't have the right taste in music. If you want to argue about that, just make a topic about it, or post in an old one which there are plenty of.
And the 2 party system is pretty much a 1 party system my friend. Both prop up the same system while one side panders to white conservative america and the other panders to you, while simultaneously fucking all of us over. If you want to believe in that, go ahead, but please don't vote.
there's no basis for your "debate". you're talking about "perception of talent", how is that possible for someone to have a "perception of talent" when it comes to music, what's wrong with liking something even if it's not tha best thing in tha world #feelme. That's kinda like the great thing about Art, there is no real line, even the goofy muthafucka who made "happy dream feet" or whatever is called has a talent, his talent is making people laugh even though the dance isn't supposed to be "taking the place" of the "Electric Slide".
someone who's a Trapper who's always talking about the grind is talking about his life becuz "hustling" has a new definition. Look at Lil' B for example "BASEd God", "Let That Boy Cook", that chit wasn't about cooking up actual cocaine at all, it was just a methaphor.
And u failed with tha whole "new vs. old" thing tryna flip tha script when the thread is called "Why do artists/and fans TODAY feel like they have to "respect a rappers hustle"?" So it is a 2party system becuz there's still alotta wannabe Hip Hop conasuers or whatever they wanna call themselves that'r still lost in tha sauce about this game.
I remember back in the day when I was a kid listening to hip-hop all artists and fans were highly opinionated. Remember reading the fans comments section at the front of the Source back in the day? Even respected big-name artists like Dre, Snoop, Nas caught hell back in those times from fans and fellow artists. The game was way more competitive.
Listen to Common's track "I Used To Love Her" and he disses the fuck out of West Coast rap and rappers (and then likewise WSC response record). Then on the other side you had "New York, New York" with Snoop and making fun of the East Coast at the beggining of the track "what up god..yo I got mad skillz" and kickin down buildings and ofcourse the legendary 2pac beefs everybody knows about those I don't have to mention it. But you also had even East Coast crews dissin other East Coast crews skills, like Boot Camp dissin Biggie, and Biggie even said back then that the game was wack and that he only listened to himself and Junior Mafia....
So how did it go from that, to today where artists and fans feel obligated to say "He makin his money... he's doin his thang... I respect his hustle... " ...even if they aren't feeling the music or feel and artists is wack. Like in the case of Lil Wayne, artists and fans that don't even like his music don't speak against him they just say... "I respect his hustle, he's getting his".
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is there anything else you'd like to say Russell?
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But it is an ``old vs. new`` thing. the og`s in tha game felt like they werent getting enuff respect and were being ``blackballed``, cmon son dont act like you dont know that. Their is still a 2-party system except tha og`z r like the equivolent to tha Tea Party. Smh, critics always wanna bitch and diss everybody and hand out their version of tha truth but they can never handle it when tha truth comes out bitin them in tha ass. Tha proof is in this thread, thats y i dont even be paying threads like these any attention. U got a buncha know-it-allz who cant read between tha lines and dont even know where niggaz r really from. Sometimes i gotta sit up here and wonder do yall even listen to Rap music at all or just certain artists and you`re too gay to listen to anything new.
You are not understanding what is going on here. The debate, again, is mostly about perception of talent vs. talent being more concrete or black and white. No one here is really even making distinction between new and old, just between talent and no talent; and how much "hustling" your music should be taken seriously over the amount of talent a dude has. You interject the new vs. old argument to pit yourself against others who in your mind don't know anything and supposedly don't have the right taste in music. If you want to argue about that, just make a topic about it, or post in an old one which there are plenty of.
And the 2 party system is pretty much a 1 party system my friend. Both prop up the same system while one side panders to white conservative america and the other panders to you, while simultaneously fucking all of us over. If you want to believe in that, go ahead, but please don't vote.
there's no basis for your "debate". you're talking about "perception of talent", how is that possible for someone to have a "perception of talent" when it comes to music, what's wrong with liking something even if it's not tha best thing in tha world #feelme. That's kinda like the great thing about Art, there is no real line, even the goofy muthafucka who made "happy dream feet" or whatever is called has a talent, his talent is making people laugh even though the dance isn't supposed to be "taking the place" of the "Electric Slide".
someone who's a Trapper who's always talking about the grind is talking about his life becuz "hustling" has a new definition. Look at Lil' B for example "BASEd God", "Let That Boy Cook", that chit wasn't about cooking up actual cocaine at all, it was just a methaphor.
And u failed with tha whole "new vs. old" thing tryna flip tha script when the thread is called "Why do artists/and fans TODAY feel like they have to "respect a rappers hustle"?" So it is a 2party system becuz there's still alotta wannabe Hip Hop conasuers or whatever they wanna call themselves that'r still lost in tha sauce about this game.
I remember back in the day when I was a kid listening to hip-hop all artists and fans were highly opinionated. Remember reading the fans comments section at the front of the Source back in the day? Even respected big-name artists like Dre, Snoop, Nas caught hell back in those times from fans and fellow artists. The game was way more competitive.
Listen to Common's track "I Used To Love Her" and he disses the fuck out of West Coast rap and rappers (and then likewise WSC response record). Then on the other side you had "New York, New York" with Snoop and making fun of the East Coast at the beggining of the track "what up god..yo I got mad skillz" and kickin down buildings and ofcourse the legendary 2pac beefs everybody knows about those I don't have to mention it. But you also had even East Coast crews dissin other East Coast crews skills, like Boot Camp dissin Biggie, and Biggie even said back then that the game was wack and that he only listened to himself and Junior Mafia....
So how did it go from that, to today where artists and fans feel obligated to say "He makin his money... he's doin his thang... I respect his hustle... " ...even if they aren't feeling the music or feel and artists is wack. Like in the case of Lil Wayne, artists and fans that don't even like his music don't speak against him they just say... "I respect his hustle, he's getting his".
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is there anything else you'd like to say Russell?
Damn you talk such chit dreamboy. ;D
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I remember back in the day when I was a kid listening to hip-hop all artists and fans were highly opinionated. Remember reading the fans comments section at the front of the Source back in the day? Even respected big-name artists like Dre, Snoop, Nas caught hell back in those times from fans and fellow artists. The game was way more competitive.
Listen to Common's track "I Used To Love Her" and he disses the fuck out of West Coast rap and rappers (and then likewise WSC response record). Then on the other side you had "New York, New York" with Snoop and making fun of the East Coast at the beggining of the track "what up god..yo I got mad skillz" and kickin down buildings and ofcourse the legendary 2pac beefs everybody knows about those I don't have to mention it. But you also had even East Coast crews dissin other East Coast crews skills, like Boot Camp dissin Biggie, and Biggie even said back then that the game was wack and that he only listened to himself and Junior Mafia....
So how did it go from that, to today where artists and fans feel obligated to say "He makin his money... he's doin his thang... I respect his hustle... " ...even if they aren't feeling the music or feel and artists is wack. Like in the case of Lil Wayne, artists and fans that don't even like his music don't speak against him they just say... "I respect his hustle, he's getting his".
But there was a a lot of real life violence and stupidity associated with that era. I think a lot of it might have to do with a reaction, conscious or not, to the bad things that happened with all that high profile dissing. Not that there hasn't been high profile battles since the murders, but even then they werecoated with mutual respect. Even Eminem would call guys like Puffy for a J-Lo remark in a highly satirical reference just to make sure it was cool.
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I remember back in the day when I was a kid listening to hip-hop all artists and fans were highly opinionated. Remember reading the fans comments section at the front of the Source back in the day? Even respected big-name artists like Dre, Snoop, Nas caught hell back in those times from fans and fellow artists. The game was way more competitive.
Listen to Common's track "I Used To Love Her" and he disses the fuck out of West Coast rap and rappers (and then likewise WSC response record). Then on the other side you had "New York, New York" with Snoop and making fun of the East Coast at the beggining of the track "what up god..yo I got mad skillz" and kickin down buildings and ofcourse the legendary 2pac beefs everybody knows about those I don't have to mention it. But you also had even East Coast crews dissin other East Coast crews skills, like Boot Camp dissin Biggie, and Biggie even said back then that the game was wack and that he only listened to himself and Junior Mafia....
So how did it go from that, to today where artists and fans feel obligated to say "He makin his money... he's doin his thang... I respect his hustle... " ...even if they aren't feeling the music or feel and artists is wack. Like in the case of Lil Wayne, artists and fans that don't even like his music don't speak against him they just say... "I respect his hustle, he's getting his".
But there was a a lot of real life violence and stupidity associated with that era. I think a lot of it might have to do with a reaction, conscious or not, to the bad things that happened with all that high profile dissing. Not that there hasn't been high profile battles since the murders, but even then they werecoated with mutual respect. Even Eminem would call guys like Puffy for a J-Lo remark in a highly satirical reference just to make sure it was cool.
Yeah I get your point, because originally when Dre left Death Row in 96' and he came out saying good things about Biggie like "Biggies probably sittin up in a Sauna with his bitch and a bottle of Henney laughin at all these people dissing him", I actually looked up to Dre for being mature and standing up against the East/West beef.
But now that the quality of music has deteriorated so drastically from that era, I miss 2pac even more and wish the rap game would be more competitive again. So I guess a best of both worlds scenario would be the late 80's era when rappers were highly critical but battlin' back then was actually an instrument used to avoid violence rather than feed into it. You had all these gangs in the Bronx New York B-Boy battlin or rap/DJ battlin when before they were beefin with violence.
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You had all these gangs in the Bronx New York B-Boy battlin or rap/DJ battlin when before they were beefin with violence.
Just stfu already. Jesus fucking christ you're a fuckin moron. Yup in NYC in the late 70's till the early to mid 80's beef was settled in the Bronx with breaking and DJ'ing. Tell that to all the families that lost loved ones due to one of NYC's most violent era's. Just stfu up you fucking moron. I pray to God that whoever your ex wife chooses as her next husband raises your son so he can have a decent male role model in his life.
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But it is an ``old vs. new`` thing. the og`s in tha game felt like they werent getting enuff respect and were being ``blackballed``, cmon son dont act like you dont know that. Their is still a 2-party system except tha og`z r like the equivolent to tha Tea Party. Smh, critics always wanna bitch and diss everybody and hand out their version of tha truth but they can never handle it when tha truth comes out bitin them in tha ass. Tha proof is in this thread, thats y i dont even be paying threads like these any attention. U got a buncha know-it-allz who cant read between tha lines and dont even know where niggaz r really from. Sometimes i gotta sit up here and wonder do yall even listen to Rap music at all or just certain artists and you`re too gay to listen to anything new.
You are not understanding what is going on here. The debate, again, is mostly about perception of talent vs. talent being more concrete or black and white. No one here is really even making distinction between new and old, just between talent and no talent; and how much "hustling" your music should be taken seriously over the amount of talent a dude has. You interject the new vs. old argument to pit yourself against others who in your mind don't know anything and supposedly don't have the right taste in music. If you want to argue about that, just make a topic about it, or post in an old one which there are plenty of.
And the 2 party system is pretty much a 1 party system my friend. Both prop up the same system while one side panders to white conservative america and the other panders to you, while simultaneously fucking all of us over. If you want to believe in that, go ahead, but please don't vote.
there's no basis for your "debate". you're talking about "perception of talent", how is that possible for someone to have a "perception of talent" when it comes to music, what's wrong with liking something even if it's not tha best thing in tha world #feelme. That's kinda like the great thing about Art, there is no real line, even the goofy muthafucka who made "happy dream feet" or whatever is called has a talent, his talent is making people laugh even though the dance isn't supposed to be "taking the place" of the "Electric Slide".
someone who's a Trapper who's always talking about the grind is talking about his life becuz "hustling" has a new definition. Look at Lil' B for example "BASEd God", "Let That Boy Cook", that chit wasn't about cooking up actual cocaine at all, it was just a methaphor.
And u failed with tha whole "new vs. old" thing tryna flip tha script when the thread is called "Why do artists/and fans TODAY feel like they have to "respect a rappers hustle"?" So it is a 2party system becuz there's still alotta wannabe Hip Hop conasuers or whatever they wanna call themselves that'r still lost in tha sauce about this game.
I remember back in the day when I was a kid listening to hip-hop all artists and fans were highly opinionated. Remember reading the fans comments section at the front of the Source back in the day? Even respected big-name artists like Dre, Snoop, Nas caught hell back in those times from fans and fellow artists. The game was way more competitive.
Listen to Common's track "I Used To Love Her" and he disses the fuck out of West Coast rap and rappers (and then likewise WSC response record). Then on the other side you had "New York, New York" with Snoop and making fun of the East Coast at the beggining of the track "what up god..yo I got mad skillz" and kickin down buildings and ofcourse the legendary 2pac beefs everybody knows about those I don't have to mention it. But you also had even East Coast crews dissin other East Coast crews skills, like Boot Camp dissin Biggie, and Biggie even said back then that the game was wack and that he only listened to himself and Junior Mafia....
So how did it go from that, to today where artists and fans feel obligated to say "He makin his money... he's doin his thang... I respect his hustle... " ...even if they aren't feeling the music or feel and artists is wack. Like in the case of Lil Wayne, artists and fans that don't even like his music don't speak against him they just say... "I respect his hustle, he's getting his".
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is there anything else you'd like to say Russell?
Yes art by definition is about perception, that doesnt mean you cant argue the finer points about it. Kinda what a music forum is all about.
"Hustling", which is what this thread is about, has no place in a real music fan's mind as the primary reason to like an artist or to brush off the fact he or she makes crappy stuff. Why should you, as a music consumer, rate an artist higher than you would normally based upon his perceived talent, because he sold his shit cd to a bunch of retards? This was the majority of this thread, not OLD V NEW. Just because you saw 1 post that fit your view of this thread doesnt mean thats what most people were talkin about and it sure doesnt discredit this side of the argument. I think a point the threadstarter is tryin to make is that you hear much about how a rapper is a good hustler nowadays (shirts, interviews, nicknames, etc) whereas back in the day no one really knew or gave a fuck about a rapper's bank statement and most people assumed that rappers were rich even though most weren't close.
I'll give it to you that the past, especially west coast gangster rap, is glorified beyond what it was even during the time when it was actually popular. That doesn't mean that all the hot new popular artists are good by comparison and that someone can't call them out when and if they do suck.
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Yes art by definition is about perception, that doesnt mean you cant argue the finer points about it. Kinda what a music forum is all about.
"Hustling", which is what this thread is about, has no place in a real music fan's mind as the primary reason to like an artist or to brush off the fact he or she makes crappy stuff. Why should you, as a music consumer, rate an artist higher than you would normally based upon his perceived talent, because he sold his shit cd to a bunch of retards? This was the majority of this thread, not OLD V NEW. Just because you saw 1 post that fit your view of this thread doesnt mean thats what most people were talkin about and it sure doesnt discredit this side of the argument. I think a point the threadstarter is tryin to make is that you hear much about how a rapper is a good hustler nowadays (shirts, interviews, nicknames, etc) whereas back in the day no one really knew or gave a fuck about a rapper's bank statement and most people assumed that rappers were rich even though most weren't close.
I'll give it to you that the past, especially west coast gangster rap, is glorified beyond what it was even during the time when it was actually popular. That doesn't mean that all the hot new popular artists are good by comparison and that someone can't call them out when and if they do suck.
i like music that's talkin about tha grind, it gets me motivated so where u got this small peabody opinion from is beyond me homie (i can relate to that and that fact that there's different music for different moods and purposes makes u shallow), not every song was meant to be gold and i'll be damned if u think most songs from "the golden era" were. i think you're starting to say anythingoutchurmouth becuz u knew u fucked up
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yo so like, where do u get all of your new music from? and i guess that question can be asked to anybody but i'm having a hard time believing that you actually check 4 tha new stuff regularly (or even moderately).
Joe Buddens was right, "hip hop fans" aren't too savvy
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Yes art by definition is about perception, that doesnt mean you cant argue the finer points about it. Kinda what a music forum is all about.
"Hustling", which is what this thread is about, has no place in a real music fan's mind as the primary reason to like an artist or to brush off the fact he or she makes crappy stuff. Why should you, as a music consumer, rate an artist higher than you would normally based upon his perceived talent, because he sold his shit cd to a bunch of retards? This was the majority of this thread, not OLD V NEW. Just because you saw 1 post that fit your view of this thread doesnt mean thats what most people were talkin about and it sure doesnt discredit this side of the argument. I think a point the threadstarter is tryin to make is that you hear much about how a rapper is a good hustler nowadays (shirts, interviews, nicknames, etc) whereas back in the day no one really knew or gave a fuck about a rapper's bank statement and most people assumed that rappers were rich even though most weren't close.
I'll give it to you that the past, especially west coast gangster rap, is glorified beyond what it was even during the time when it was actually popular. That doesn't mean that all the hot new popular artists are good by comparison and that someone can't call them out when and if they do suck.
i like music that's talkin about tha grind, it gets me motivated so where u got this small peabody opinion from is beyond me homie (i can relate to that), not every song was meant to be gold and i'll be damned if u think most songs from "the golden era" were. i think you're starting to say anythingoutchurmouth becuz u knew u fucked up
What is this obsession with old v new? I never said anything about the golden era being better than anything.
So lemme get this straight now, Im saying anything & everything I can because "i fucked up". Yet youre now saying I said things I never did, so you can strengthen your (what you call an) argument? :cheers:
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The HipHop community used to regulate itself. There was a certain code of conduct and if you were a wack rapper you might get beat up just for disrespecting the craft. Of course, once it became clear that HipHop made money, people started selling out.
Now it seems there is no turning back, but that doesn't mean we should put up with all the fake rappers and bullshit lyrical content. Yeah that stuff sells to 13 year old girls, but so what? There will always the underground that innovates and pushes the line.
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Of course, 2Pac said it best:
Listen to the words people say in their lyrics, and tell me, if that's some real shit, if that's real to you, you know what I mean. Listen to what they sayin', don't just bob your head to the beat, peep the game, and listen to what Im saying. Hold us accountable for it.
End of thread.
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Of course, 2Pac said it best:
Listen to the words people say in their lyrics, and tell me, if that's some real shit, if that's real to you, you know what I mean. Listen to what they sayin', don't just bob your head to the beat, peep the game, and listen to what Im saying. Hold us accountable for it.
End of thread.
nough said!
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Of course, 2Pac said it best:
Listen to the words people say in their lyrics, and tell me, if that's some real shit, if that's real to you, you know what I mean. Listen to what they sayin', don't just bob your head to the beat, peep the game, and listen to what Im saying. Hold us accountable for it.
End of thread.
nough said!
Waka Flocka Flame is a weak lyrical rapper, but tell me the west coast fanatics wouldn't be on his nuts if he was a West Coast rapper. OH FINALLY WE GOT SOME GANGSTA ASS SHIT. Sure, Waka has some shit that's not real to me at all, but I still enjoy listening to Flockavelli once in a while. And I guess it might be real to him, I don't personally know the man "When my little brother died, I said fuck school". And who the fuck cares if I just listen to Waka to bob my head to the beats? People need to stop being so judgmental when it comes to what people listen to. I'm not 17 anymore where I used to make fun of people for not listening to what I consider great music. Music is music, not everything has to be something powerful that hits home.
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Of course, 2Pac said it best:
Listen to the words people say in their lyrics, and tell me, if that's some real shit, if that's real to you, you know what I mean. Listen to what they sayin', don't just bob your head to the beat, peep the game, and listen to what Im saying. Hold us accountable for it.
End of thread.
and 2pac had more negativity in his lyrics then lil wayne does
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I remember back in the day when I was a kid listening to hip-hop all artists and fans were highly opinionated. Remember reading the fans comments section at the front of the Source back in the day? Even respected big-name artists like Dre, Snoop, Nas caught hell back in those times from fans and fellow artists. The game was way more competitive.
Listen to Common's track "I Used To Love Her" and he disses the fuck out of West Coast rap and rappers (and then likewise WSC response record). Then on the other side you had "New York, New York" with Snoop and making fun of the East Coast at the beggining of the track "what up god..yo I got mad skillz" and kickin down buildings and ofcourse the legendary 2pac beefs everybody knows about those I don't have to mention it. But you also had even East Coast crews dissin other East Coast crews skills, like Boot Camp dissin Biggie, and Biggie even said back then that the game was wack and that he only listened to himself and Junior Mafia....
So how did it go from that, to today where artists and fans feel obligated to say "He makin his money... he's doin his thang... I respect his hustle... " ...even if they aren't feeling the music or feel and artists is wack. Like in the case of Lil Wayne, artists and fans that don't even like his music don't speak against him they just say... "I respect his hustle, he's getting his".
But there was a a lot of real life violence and stupidity associated with that era. I think a lot of it might have to do with a reaction, conscious or not, to the bad things that happened with all that high profile dissing. Not that there hasn't been high profile battles since the murders, but even then they werecoated with mutual respect. Even Eminem would call guys like Puffy for a J-Lo remark in a highly satirical reference just to make sure it was cool.
Yeah I get your point, because originally when Dre left Death Row in 96' and he came out saying good things about Biggie like "Biggies probably sittin up in a Sauna with his bitch and a bottle of Henney laughin at all these people dissing him", I actually looked up to Dre for being mature and standing up against the East/West beef.
But now that the quality of music has deteriorated so drastically from that era, I miss 2pac even more and wish the rap game would be more competitive again. So I guess a best of both worlds scenario would be the late 80's era when rappers were highly critical but battlin' back then was actually an instrument used to avoid violence rather than feed into it. You had all these gangs in the Bronx New York B-Boy battlin or rap/DJ battlin when before they were beefin with violence.
Think about this, in ten years from now there's going to be people just like us complaing about how rap sucks now and artist aren't like they used to be when Drake and Lil Wayne were running things. I wonder how many late 20s were who were 15 when Rakim released Let The Rhythm Hit Em couldn't stand to listen to Doggfather. I bet it's more than we think.
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Think about this, in ten years from now there's going to be people just like us complaing about how rap sucks now and artist aren't like they used to be when Drake and Lil Wayne were running things. I wonder how many late 20s were who were 15 when Rakim released Let The Rhythm Hit Em couldn't stand to listen to Doggfather. I bet it's more than we think.
Although I understand your logic... I'll believe it when I see it.... I don't think there will ever be any great Drake and Lil Wayne nostalgia, any more than there is Master P and No Limit nostalgia right now.
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I noticed this when rappers really started going overboard with the popped out singles, and songs where these so called gangstas were singing love songs and re-enacting scenes from Grease in their videos.
You then had people excusing it with shit like "He's going for kiddy/female fanbase, I ain't mad, I respect his hustle". So right there, you know that person isn't really about the music, they are about the image that has been pounded into their head, which is get money any way you can. Even if that means getting fucked in the ass and engaging in satanic worship, or dressing like a woman on tv or a movie. Fuck it, BE A HUSTLER. So what if these dudes are getting pink socks from old jewish label heads, I RESPECT THEIR HUSTLE.
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I noticed this when rappers really started going overboard with the popped out singles, and songs where these so called gangstas were singing love songs and re-enacting scenes from Grease in their videos.
You then had people excusing it with shit like "He's going for kiddy/female fanbase, I ain't mad, I respect his hustle". So right there, you know that person isn't really about the music, they are about the image that has been pounded into their head, which is get money any way you can. Even if that means getting fucked in the ass and engaging in satanic worship, or dressing like a woman on tv or a movie. Fuck it, BE A HUSTLER. So what if these dudes are getting pink socks from old jewish label heads, I RESPECT THEIR HUSTLE.
exactly. I hear it all the time. Partly because I live in Kansas City and we have the most ignorant hip-hop fans in the Nation. A song or video will come on, or the subject will come up about an artist, and the first comment out of there mouth is always "He got money!"
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Damn, you guys really want to take the fun away from hip hop.
And Infinte, Tyler the creator who reminds you of Eminem has a song called "Bitch Suck Dick" on his new album.
"All this ice around my neck, all this ice around my dick
Gun to her head make your bitch massage my shoulders"
I RESPECT HIS HUSTLE WOO WOO SWAG SWAG
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Think about this, in ten years from now there's going to be people just like us complaing about how rap sucks now and artist aren't like they used to be when Drake and Lil Wayne were running things. I wonder how many late 20s were who were 15 when Rakim released Let The Rhythm Hit Em couldn't stand to listen to Doggfather. I bet it's more than we think.
Although I understand your logic... I'll believe it when I see it.... I don't think there will ever be any great Drake and Lil Wayne nostalgia, any more than there is Master P and No Limit nostalgia right now.
Yeah, but it's gotta be somebody popular from this era. Master P was a quick in and out fad that came in an era that had giants like Nas, Jay Z and Eminem releasing records. The 15 year olds of today will have to have heroes in modern hip hop and we, our generation, doesn't think all that much of.
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I noticed this when rappers really started going overboard with the popped out singles, and songs where these so called gangstas were singing love songs and re-enacting scenes from Grease in their videos.
You then had people excusing it with shit like "He's going for kiddy/female fanbase, I ain't mad, I respect his hustle". So right there, you know that person isn't really about the music, they are about the image that has been pounded into their head, which is get money any way you can. Even if that means getting fucked in the ass and engaging in satanic worship, or dressing like a woman on tv or a movie. Fuck it, BE A HUSTLER. So what if these dudes are getting pink socks from old jewish label heads, I RESPECT THEIR HUSTLE.
But 90s gangsta rappers were also about portraying an image. From a realistic perspective, what makes a hardcore gangbanger any more qualified to make music than someone kid friendly? Like you said, its "about the music." Before rap, you had weirdos like Prince and Rick James putting out classic music.
If anything, I applaud these new rappers for breaking stereotypes, even if I think its corny. Other music genres have never had to portray a certain image to be cool, so for hip hop to be a serious music genre, this whole street/thug image needs to be done away with.
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But it is an ``old vs. new`` thing. the og`s in tha game felt like they werent getting enuff respect and were being ``blackballed``, cmon son dont act like you dont know that. Their is still a 2-party system except tha og`z r like the equivolent to tha Tea Party. Smh, critics always wanna bitch and diss everybody and hand out their version of tha truth but they can never handle it when tha truth comes out bitin them in tha ass. Tha proof is in this thread, thats y i dont even be paying threads like these any attention. U got a buncha know-it-allz who cant read between tha lines and dont even know where niggaz r really from. Sometimes i gotta sit up here and wonder do yall even listen to Rap music at all or just certain artists and you`re too gay to listen to anything new.
I know this isnt exactly on the thread topic, but its a thought that just popped into my head. Why do you demonize the tea party, when the father of the tea party, Ron Paul, would end the war on drugs that has placed so many of your fellow black folks in prisons, ruined families, perpetuated a never ending cycle of poverty and prison, and turned ghettos into war zones? Doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me. Thats what I mean about u buying into a 2 party system where they have conditioned you to hate 1 side and like the other, using the race card and other tactics. Now tell me how im wrong on that 1?
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But it is an ``old vs. new`` thing. the og`s in tha game felt like they werent getting enuff respect and were being ``blackballed``, cmon son dont act like you dont know that. Their is still a 2-party system except tha og`z r like the equivolent to tha Tea Party. Smh, critics always wanna bitch and diss everybody and hand out their version of tha truth but they can never handle it when tha truth comes out bitin them in tha ass. Tha proof is in this thread, thats y i dont even be paying threads like these any attention. U got a buncha know-it-allz who cant read between tha lines and dont even know where niggaz r really from. Sometimes i gotta sit up here and wonder do yall even listen to Rap music at all or just certain artists and you`re too gay to listen to anything new.
I know this isnt exactly on the thread topic, but its a thought that just popped into my head. Why do you demonize the tea party, when the father of the tea party, Ron Paul, would end the war on drugs that has placed so many of your fellow black folks in prisons, ruined families, perpetuated a never ending cycle of poverty and prison, and turned ghettos into war zones? Doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me. Thats what I mean about u buying into a 2 party system where they have conditioned you to hate 1 side and like the other, using the race card and other tactics. Now tell me how im wrong on that 1?
in real life i betchu' that u didn't know i am a registered Republican and I was always leaning towards that side (for the most part) before Obama ran for President; still doesn't mean I'm voting Republican this upcoming election and I didn't for tha last 1 either. true story...
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Damn, you guys really want to take the fun away from hip hop.
that's really all whut it'z about. all this crying is coming from mid-30 year old+ men who have jobs and families to take care of and forgot what fun is. that's why i frowned my face everytime someone said that they hated "teach me how to dougie"... people like this go 2 strip clubs and don't even bob their head to tha music and have fun, they're so soar in tha ass from whatever that sometimes they miss the whole point of being there (besides lookin at buttholes all day)
they're bitter old men; either that or they're just fuckin' with us...
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But it is an ``old vs. new`` thing. the og`s in tha game felt like they werent getting enuff respect and were being ``blackballed``, cmon son dont act like you dont know that. Their is still a 2-party system except tha og`z r like the equivolent to tha Tea Party. Smh, critics always wanna bitch and diss everybody and hand out their version of tha truth but they can never handle it when tha truth comes out bitin them in tha ass. Tha proof is in this thread, thats y i dont even be paying threads like these any attention. U got a buncha know-it-allz who cant read between tha lines and dont even know where niggaz r really from. Sometimes i gotta sit up here and wonder do yall even listen to Rap music at all or just certain artists and you`re too gay to listen to anything new.
I know this isnt exactly on the thread topic, but its a thought that just popped into my head. Why do you demonize the tea party, when the father of the tea party, Ron Paul, would end the war on drugs that has placed so many of your fellow black folks in prisons, ruined families, perpetuated a never ending cycle of poverty and prison, and turned ghettos into war zones? Doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me. Thats what I mean about u buying into a 2 party system where they have conditioned you to hate 1 side and like the other, using the race card and other tactics. Now tell me how im wrong on that 1?
in real life i betchu' that u didn't know i am a registered Republican and I was always leaning towards that side (for the most part) before Obama ran for President; still doesn't mean I'm voting Republican this upcoming election and I didn't for tha last 1 either. true story...
Had no idea u were a registered republican, im a decline to state btw
As far as the "fun music" thing goes i think that there has always and will always be a rift between generations musically. Same thing in the 70s, 80s, etc. But to paint everyone who doesnt like Waka or trap rap as not wanting to have fun is ridiculous, I myself like several new artists and hate several new artists. I think drake is trash and his fake southern accent and corny one liners makes me laugh at him and wonder how anyone could like something so low brow and simultaneously non satirical. I think Tyler the Creator makes good music that you can vibe to and has a good aggressive edge to its lyrics while having original and musical beats. You get my point.
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I noticed this when rappers really started going overboard with the popped out singles, and songs where these so called gangstas were singing love songs and re-enacting scenes from Grease in their videos.
You then had people excusing it with shit like "He's going for kiddy/female fanbase, I ain't mad, I respect his hustle". So right there, you know that person isn't really about the music, they are about the image that has been pounded into their head, which is get money any way you can. Even if that means getting fucked in the ass and engaging in satanic worship, or dressing like a woman on tv or a movie. Fuck it, BE A HUSTLER. So what if these dudes are getting pink socks from old jewish label heads, I RESPECT THEIR HUSTLE.
But 90s gangsta rappers were also about portraying an image. From a realistic perspective, what makes a hardcore gangbanger any more qualified to make music than someone kid friendly? Like you said, its "about the music." Before rap, you had weirdos like Prince and Rick James putting out classic music.
If anything, I applaud these new rappers for breaking stereotypes, even if I think its corny. Other music genres have never had to portray a certain image to be cool, so for hip hop to be a serious music genre, this whole street/thug image needs to be done away with.
I think your talking about a different subject right now. I don't remember when Snoop first came out and gangsta rap was blowing up, I don't remember his video coming on and the first words out of every mutherfuckers mouth being "He Got Money... Damn, Snoop Got Money... You Got To Respect Snoop's Hustle".
Hell no... what I remember is being a kid and being at basketball camp and all the older highschool kids wanting to put on stocking caps like Snoop and everybody throwing around his catch phrases like "Bow Wow Wow Yipee Yo Yipee Yeah" or talking about what they saw in one of his videos. How dope his songs were. But wasn't nobody thinking about "Damn, Snoop got money... I respect his hustle". And people that didn't like him, artists/fans/critics dissed gangsta rap all the time. Nobody said, "Ohh wait, we can't diss these West Coast rappers, we got to respect their hustle. I like them because they got money!"
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I noticed this when rappers really started going overboard with the popped out singles, and songs where these so called gangstas were singing love songs and re-enacting scenes from Grease in their videos.
You then had people excusing it with shit like "He's going for kiddy/female fanbase, I ain't mad, I respect his hustle". So right there, you know that person isn't really about the music, they are about the image that has been pounded into their head, which is get money any way you can. Even if that means getting fucked in the ass and engaging in satanic worship, or dressing like a woman on tv or a movie. Fuck it, BE A HUSTLER. So what if these dudes are getting pink socks from old jewish label heads, I RESPECT THEIR HUSTLE.
But 90s gangsta rappers were also about portraying an image. From a realistic perspective, what makes a hardcore gangbanger any more qualified to make music than someone kid friendly? Like you said, its "about the music." Before rap, you had weirdos like Prince and Rick James putting out classic music.
If anything, I applaud these new rappers for breaking stereotypes, even if I think its corny. Other music genres have never had to portray a certain image to be cool, so for hip hop to be a serious music genre, this whole street/thug image needs to be done away with.
I think your talking about a different subject right now. I don't remember when Snoop first came out and gangsta rap was blowing up, I don't remember his video coming on and the first words out of every mutherfuckers mouth being "He Got Money... Damn, Snoop Got Money... You Got To Respect Snoop's Hustle".
Hell no... what I remember is being a kid and being at basketball camp and all the older highschool kids wanting to put on stocking caps like Snoop and everybody throwing around his catch phrases like "Bow Wow Wow Yipee Yo Yipee Yeah" or talking about what they saw in one of his videos. How dope his songs were. But wasn't nobody thinking about "Damn, Snoop got money... I respect his hustle". And people that didn't like him, artists/fans/critics dissed gangsta rap all the time. Nobody said, "Ohh wait, we can't diss these West Coast rappers, we got to respect their hustle. I like them because they got money!"
You gotta take into consideration what was going on at the time. The WestCoast East Coast beef was huge and affected people's opinions on things. If you were a 2pac/Death Row fan, you wouldn't just not like an artist....you would hate them with a passion. I know older dudes from L.A. that still don't like Biggie for that reason. And right now people aren't going around saying they like an artist because they have money. That's like saying people like Michael Bay movies because they make a lot of money.
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I noticed this when rappers really started going overboard with the popped out singles, and songs where these so called gangstas were singing love songs and re-enacting scenes from Grease in their videos.
You then had people excusing it with shit like "He's going for kiddy/female fanbase, I ain't mad, I respect his hustle". So right there, you know that person isn't really about the music, they are about the image that has been pounded into their head, which is get money any way you can. Even if that means getting fucked in the ass and engaging in satanic worship, or dressing like a woman on tv or a movie. Fuck it, BE A HUSTLER. So what if these dudes are getting pink socks from old jewish label heads, I RESPECT THEIR HUSTLE.
But 90s gangsta rappers were also about portraying an image. From a realistic perspective, what makes a hardcore gangbanger any more qualified to make music than someone kid friendly? Like you said, its "about the music." Before rap, you had weirdos like Prince and Rick James putting out classic music.
If anything, I applaud these new rappers for breaking stereotypes, even if I think its corny. Other music genres have never had to portray a certain image to be cool, so for hip hop to be a serious music genre, this whole street/thug image needs to be done away with.
I think your talking about a different subject right now. I don't remember when Snoop first came out and gangsta rap was blowing up, I don't remember his video coming on and the first words out of every mutherfuckers mouth being "He Got Money... Damn, Snoop Got Money... You Got To Respect Snoop's Hustle".
Hell no... what I remember is being a kid and being at basketball camp and all the older highschool kids wanting to put on stocking caps like Snoop and everybody throwing around his catch phrases like "Bow Wow Wow Yipee Yo Yipee Yeah" or talking about what they saw in one of his videos. How dope his songs were. But wasn't nobody thinking about "Damn, Snoop got money... I respect his hustle". And people that didn't like him, artists/fans/critics dissed gangsta rap all the time. Nobody said, "Ohh wait, we can't diss these West Coast rappers, we got to respect their hustle. I like them because they got money!"
You gotta take into consideration what was going on at the time. The WestCoast East Coast beef was huge and affected people's opinions on things. If you were a 2pac/Death Row fan, you wouldn't just not like an artist....you would hate them with a passion. I know older dudes from L.A. that still don't like Biggie for that reason. And right now people aren't going around saying they like an artist because they have money. That's like saying people like Michael Bay movies because they make a lot of money.
People saying that about michael bay would be stupid, and thats why its stupid when fellow artists/fans say that shit about rappers. What i think everyone can agree on, is that rap has become about the perception of money. Im not bashing artists for getting finances in order, Im saying its about artists showing off what money they supposedly have, what car they got, etc. Its ok to talk about that shit, but u know its really gone overboard when u got grown men bragging about their gucci man purses in verses. And even though most of them are lying, fans on internet boards are naive enough to believe the shit or at least not wanna be seen as a "hater" and say "well he a hustler man, good for him" (again, look at all the hater shirts: i love haters, dont hate, etc. People have taken the persona of these lyin ass rappers). No, not good for him, good for him when and if he puts out good music (and i dont mean music that isnt fun, or music that will make you ponder your life, i just mean good music that doesnt sound like it was made on a 1996 casio keyboard in some dude's moms basement with lyrics written by an autistic 9 yr old).
Its the EXACT same shit that happened in the 90s when the dogg pound/snoop/gangster rappers in general were popular and u had people wearing blue or bandannas or trying to emulate gang members. Fuckin stupid back then, fuckin stupid now! So the argument that everyone taking this side is simply talking shit on today's crop of genius and ever talented rap artists is complete bullshit.
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I noticed this when rappers really started going overboard with the popped out singles, and songs where these so called gangstas were singing love songs and re-enacting scenes from Grease in their videos.
You then had people excusing it with shit like "He's going for kiddy/female fanbase, I ain't mad, I respect his hustle". So right there, you know that person isn't really about the music, they are about the image that has been pounded into their head, which is get money any way you can. Even if that means getting fucked in the ass and engaging in satanic worship, or dressing like a woman on tv or a movie. Fuck it, BE A HUSTLER. So what if these dudes are getting pink socks from old jewish label heads, I RESPECT THEIR HUSTLE.
But 90s gangsta rappers were also about portraying an image. From a realistic perspective, what makes a hardcore gangbanger any more qualified to make music than someone kid friendly? Like you said, its "about the music." Before rap, you had weirdos like Prince and Rick James putting out classic music.
If anything, I applaud these new rappers for breaking stereotypes, even if I think its corny. Other music genres have never had to portray a certain image to be cool, so for hip hop to be a serious music genre, this whole street/thug image needs to be done away with.
I think your talking about a different subject right now. I don't remember when Snoop first came out and gangsta rap was blowing up, I don't remember his video coming on and the first words out of every mutherfuckers mouth being "He Got Money... Damn, Snoop Got Money... You Got To Respect Snoop's Hustle".
Hell no... what I remember is being a kid and being at basketball camp and all the older highschool kids wanting to put on stocking caps like Snoop and everybody throwing around his catch phrases like "Bow Wow Wow Yipee Yo Yipee Yeah" or talking about what they saw in one of his videos. How dope his songs were. But wasn't nobody thinking about "Damn, Snoop got money... I respect his hustle". And people that didn't like him, artists/fans/critics dissed gangsta rap all the time. Nobody said, "Ohh wait, we can't diss these West Coast rappers, we got to respect their hustle. I like them because they got money!"
You gotta take into consideration what was going on at the time. The WestCoast East Coast beef was huge and affected people's opinions on things. If you were a 2pac/Death Row fan, you wouldn't just not like an artist....you would hate them with a passion. I know older dudes from L.A. that still don't like Biggie for that reason. And right now people aren't going around saying they like an artist because they have money. That's like saying people like Michael Bay movies because they make a lot of money.
People saying that about michael bay would be stupid, and thats why its stupid when fellow artists/fans say that shit about rappers. What i think everyone can agree on, is that rap has become about money. Im not bashing artists for getting finances in order, Im saying its about artists showing off what money they supposedly have. And even though most of them are lying, fans on internet boards are naive enough to believe the shit or at least not wanna be seen as a "hater" and say "well he a hustler man, good for him". No, not good for him, good for him when and if he puts out good music (and i dont mean music that isnt fun, or music that will make you ponder your life, i just mean good music).
Right, but people still enjoy Michael Bay movies. They're not the greatest, but some people still find some entertainment out of them. And people actually do say, his movies suck but they somehow reach an audience. Even what we consider shitty music, it might have an audience for it. So yeah, good for that artists to find an audience. I'm not going to be sitting here and analyzing why people like crap. And let's take a look at Big K.R.I.T.'s rise to success, he's released a mixtape per year for the last 4 years now. It's all self-produced and he raps on all the songs. That's hustling right there. And putting music aside, he's worked hard enough to make a living doing what he loves. So yeah, I can picture somebody that doesn't like southern rap to say, "hmm Big KRIT, don't really like him but props to him".
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I noticed this when rappers really started going overboard with the popped out singles, and songs where these so called gangstas were singing love songs and re-enacting scenes from Grease in their videos.
You then had people excusing it with shit like "He's going for kiddy/female fanbase, I ain't mad, I respect his hustle". So right there, you know that person isn't really about the music, they are about the image that has been pounded into their head, which is get money any way you can. Even if that means getting fucked in the ass and engaging in satanic worship, or dressing like a woman on tv or a movie. Fuck it, BE A HUSTLER. So what if these dudes are getting pink socks from old jewish label heads, I RESPECT THEIR HUSTLE.
But 90s gangsta rappers were also about portraying an image. From a realistic perspective, what makes a hardcore gangbanger any more qualified to make music than someone kid friendly? Like you said, its "about the music." Before rap, you had weirdos like Prince and Rick James putting out classic music.
If anything, I applaud these new rappers for breaking stereotypes, even if I think its corny. Other music genres have never had to portray a certain image to be cool, so for hip hop to be a serious music genre, this whole street/thug image needs to be done away with.
I think your talking about a different subject right now. I don't remember when Snoop first came out and gangsta rap was blowing up, I don't remember his video coming on and the first words out of every mutherfuckers mouth being "He Got Money... Damn, Snoop Got Money... You Got To Respect Snoop's Hustle".
Hell no... what I remember is being a kid and being at basketball camp and all the older highschool kids wanting to put on stocking caps like Snoop and everybody throwing around his catch phrases like "Bow Wow Wow Yipee Yo Yipee Yeah" or talking about what they saw in one of his videos. How dope his songs were. But wasn't nobody thinking about "Damn, Snoop got money... I respect his hustle". And people that didn't like him, artists/fans/critics dissed gangsta rap all the time. Nobody said, "Ohh wait, we can't diss these West Coast rappers, we got to respect their hustle. I like them because they got money!"
You gotta take into consideration what was going on at the time. The WestCoast East Coast beef was huge and affected people's opinions on things. If you were a 2pac/Death Row fan, you wouldn't just not like an artist....you would hate them with a passion. I know older dudes from L.A. that still don't like Biggie for that reason. And right now people aren't going around saying they like an artist because they have money. That's like saying people like Michael Bay movies because they make a lot of money.
People saying that about michael bay would be stupid, and thats why its stupid when fellow artists/fans say that shit about rappers. What i think everyone can agree on, is that rap has become about money. Im not bashing artists for getting finances in order, Im saying its about artists showing off what money they supposedly have. And even though most of them are lying, fans on internet boards are naive enough to believe the shit or at least not wanna be seen as a "hater" and say "well he a hustler man, good for him". No, not good for him, good for him when and if he puts out good music (and i dont mean music that isnt fun, or music that will make you ponder your life, i just mean good music).
Right, but people still enjoy Michael Bay movies. They're not the greatest, but some people still find some entertainment out of them. And people actually do say, his movies suck but they somehow reach an audience. Even what we consider shitty music, it might have an audience for it. So yeah, good for that artists to find an audience. I'm not going to be sitting here and analyzing why people like crap. And let's take a look at Big K.R.I.T.'s rise to success, he's released a mixtape per year for the last 4 years now. It's all self-produced and he raps on all the songs. That's hustling right there. And putting music aside, he's worked hard enough to make a living doing what he loves. So yeah, I can picture somebody that doesn't like southern rap to say, "hmm Big KRIT, don't really like him but props to him".
Big krit has talent. I think even someone who doesnt like his music would have to admit that.
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I noticed this when rappers really started going overboard with the popped out singles, and songs where these so called gangstas were singing love songs and re-enacting scenes from Grease in their videos.
You then had people excusing it with shit like "He's going for kiddy/female fanbase, I ain't mad, I respect his hustle". So right there, you know that person isn't really about the music, they are about the image that has been pounded into their head, which is get money any way you can. Even if that means getting fucked in the ass and engaging in satanic worship, or dressing like a woman on tv or a movie. Fuck it, BE A HUSTLER. So what if these dudes are getting pink socks from old jewish label heads, I RESPECT THEIR HUSTLE.
But 90s gangsta rappers were also about portraying an image. From a realistic perspective, what makes a hardcore gangbanger any more qualified to make music than someone kid friendly? Like you said, its "about the music." Before rap, you had weirdos like Prince and Rick James putting out classic music.
If anything, I applaud these new rappers for breaking stereotypes, even if I think its corny. Other music genres have never had to portray a certain image to be cool, so for hip hop to be a serious music genre, this whole street/thug image needs to be done away with.
I think your talking about a different subject right now. I don't remember when Snoop first came out and gangsta rap was blowing up, I don't remember his video coming on and the first words out of every mutherfuckers mouth being "He Got Money... Damn, Snoop Got Money... You Got To Respect Snoop's Hustle".
Hell no... what I remember is being a kid and being at basketball camp and all the older highschool kids wanting to put on stocking caps like Snoop and everybody throwing around his catch phrases like "Bow Wow Wow Yipee Yo Yipee Yeah" or talking about what they saw in one of his videos. How dope his songs were. But wasn't nobody thinking about "Damn, Snoop got money... I respect his hustle". And people that didn't like him, artists/fans/critics dissed gangsta rap all the time. Nobody said, "Ohh wait, we can't diss these West Coast rappers, we got to respect their hustle. I like them because they got money!"
You gotta take into consideration what was going on at the time. The WestCoast East Coast beef was huge and affected people's opinions on things. If you were a 2pac/Death Row fan, you wouldn't just not like an artist....you would hate them with a passion. I know older dudes from L.A. that still don't like Biggie for that reason. And right now people aren't going around saying they like an artist because they have money. That's like saying people like Michael Bay movies because they make a lot of money.
People saying that about michael bay would be stupid, and thats why its stupid when fellow artists/fans say that shit about rappers. What i think everyone can agree on, is that rap has become about money. Im not bashing artists for getting finances in order, Im saying its about artists showing off what money they supposedly have. And even though most of them are lying, fans on internet boards are naive enough to believe the shit or at least not wanna be seen as a "hater" and say "well he a hustler man, good for him". No, not good for him, good for him when and if he puts out good music (and i dont mean music that isnt fun, or music that will make you ponder your life, i just mean good music).
Right, but people still enjoy Michael Bay movies. They're not the greatest, but some people still find some entertainment out of them. And people actually do say, his movies suck but they somehow reach an audience. Even what we consider shitty music, it might have an audience for it. So yeah, good for that artists to find an audience. I'm not going to be sitting here and analyzing why people like crap. And let's take a look at Big K.R.I.T.'s rise to success, he's released a mixtape per year for the last 4 years now. It's all self-produced and he raps on all the songs. That's hustling right there. And putting music aside, he's worked hard enough to make a living doing what he loves. So yeah, I can picture somebody that doesn't like southern rap to say, "hmm Big KRIT, don't really like him but props to him".
Big krit has talent. I think even someone who doesnt like his music would have to admit that.
I respect Soulja Boy for reaching an audience.
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I'll take it a step further, he's a hip hop pioneer.
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I'll take it a step further, he's a hip hop pioneer.
Right, but in what direction is he pioneering?
Is he encouraging good music, or quickly made throw away ring tone thrown together noises?
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He encouraged new artists to use the internet and make it on their own. He made his own hype. His influence is already out there with OFWGKTA. It's now common for an artist to first have a self-released album/mixtape with home made youtube videos for singles.
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If the hustle is so important to some of you, why don't you big up the ones that do it best? The people at Sony, Interscope, etc. They got the hustle down in a major way, not on some bullshit level like Soulja Boy. Don't know how it benefits the music or HipHop in general, but that is not a priority here is it?
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I'll take it a step further, he's a hip hop pioneer.
Right, but in what direction is he pioneering?
Is he encouraging good music, or quickly made throw away ring tone thrown together noises?
There is no universal definition of "good music"
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If the hustle is so important to some of you, why don't you big up the ones that do it best? The people at Sony, Interscope, etc. They got the hustle down in a major way, not on some bullshit level like Soulja Boy. Don't know how it benefits the music or HipHop in general, but that is not a priority here is it?
A DIY rapper getting popular is helpful though. We've only begun seeing the influence. How is it not beneficial for a rapper to show that you can make it on your own via the internet? This opens up the field for everybody! It's the biggest fuck you to the music industry today since Napster. Eventually we're going to see a DIY rapper that is extremely talented and will be the face of hip hop. And is loved by many. I'll speak for myself, but nowhere did I imply that hustle is that important.
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I'll take it a step further, he's a hip hop pioneer.
Right, but in what direction is he pioneering?
Is he encouraging good music, or quickly made throw away ring tone thrown together noises?
There is no universal definition of "good music"
So?
You must unlearn what you have learned.
We can safely say any Gershwin song will beat Britney Spears.
Just because there is no definition doesn't mean you can't work it out for yourself..
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This thread`s entire dialog makes n o s e n s e !
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I'll take it a step further, he's a hip hop pioneer.
Right, but in what direction is he pioneering?
Is he encouraging good music, or quickly made throw away ring tone thrown together noises?
There is no universal definition of "good music"
So?
You must unlearn what you have learned.
We can safely say any Gershwin song will beat Britney Spears.
Just because there is no definition doesn't mean you can't work it out for yourself..
Wrong. You must unlearn what you have learned. A pop diva you were conditioned to despise as a kid isn't necessarily bad.
A lot of people think Dr. Dre's music is pure trash. Simple ass lyrics that promote violence and negativity over repetitive beats that are too loud and which he stole from other sources. Me and others on this forum would disagree of course. Who is right?
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I'll take it a step further, he's a hip hop pioneer.
Right, but in what direction is he pioneering?
Is he encouraging good music, or quickly made throw away ring tone thrown together noises?
There is no universal definition of "good music"
So?
You must unlearn what you have learned.
We can safely say any Gershwin song will beat Britney Spears.
Just because there is no definition doesn't mean you can't work it out for yourself..
Wrong. You must unlearn what you have learned. A pop diva you were conditioned to despise as a kid isn't necessarily bad.
A lot of people think Dr. Dre's music is pure trash. Simple ass lyrics that promote violence and negativity over repetitive beats that are too loud and which he stole from other sources. Me and others on this forum would disagree of course. Who is right?
What the fuck ;D
So you're disagreeing meaning Brtiney Spears 'who isn't necessarily bad' has no worse output than Gershwin.
Buddy this whole philosophy of 'perception of talent' you live by is not definitive.
One can argue the subject of who's better Dre or Snoop but some artsits aren't on the same page. Full stop.
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I'll take it a step further, he's a hip hop pioneer.
Right, but in what direction is he pioneering?
Is he encouraging good music, or quickly made throw away ring tone thrown together noises?
There is no universal definition of "good music"
So?
You must unlearn what you have learned.
We can safely say any Gershwin song will beat Britney Spears.
Just because there is no definition doesn't mean you can't work it out for yourself..
Wrong. You must unlearn what you have learned. A pop diva you were conditioned to despise as a kid isn't necessarily bad.
A lot of people think Dr. Dre's music is pure trash. Simple ass lyrics that promote violence and negativity over repetitive beats that are too loud and which he stole from other sources. Me and others on this forum would disagree of course. Who is right?
What the fuck ;D
So you're disagreeing meaning Brtiney Spears 'who isn't necessarily bad' has no worse output than Gershwin.
Buddy this whole philosophy of 'perception of talent' you live by is not definitive.
One can argue the subject of who's better Dre or Snoop but some artsits aren't on the same page. Full stop.
son shut tha fuck up (will)... god dam stop antagonizing niggaz and catch a hobby. u niggaz look mad pathetic out here. out here tryna argue with ppl who don't know u about some shit OBVIOUSLY you're too dumb to get and too blind to see. act your age homie. u niggaz be lookin' sad in real life and i mean that on my life in real life.
chit is like trying to train a dog to do your laundry foreal foreal. it's like trying to make a Duck do taxes, it's like tryna make chitlins smell good, it's like eating 3 Big Macs back to back and not shit... your analogies and questions have shit to do with chit smh
i nominate this as worst thread of the year. this is what happens when white people wanna start voicing their opinions on hip hop... this whole debate is fuckin silly. u wanna stay playin your chit from 94' then by all means go 4 it noone's gonna stop u otherwise hop off nutz and catch up with tha marathon.
http://www.youtube.com//v/0tsexT_r8Fk listen... no seriously soak it up, like foreal
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son shut tha fuck up (will)... god dam stop antagonizing niggaz and catch a hobby. u niggaz look mad pathetic out here. out here tryna argue with ppl who don't know u about some shit OBVIOUSLY you're too dumb to get and too blind to see. act your age homie. u niggaz be lookin' sad in real life and i mean that on my life in real life.
chit is like trying to train a dog to do your laundry foreal foreal. your analogies and questions have shit to do with chit smh
i nominate this as worst thread of the year. this is what happens when white people wanna start voicing their opinions on hip hop... this whole debate is fuckin silly. u wanna stay playin your chit from 94' then by all means go 4 it noone's gonna stop u otherwise hop off nutz and catch up with tha marathon.
Son for a start old whitey here don't understand half of what you type. ;D
I ain't voicing shit about my opinions on hiphop so stfu bout that.
I'm saying (the obvious) people can have talent but ability comes into it too.
You'd pay money to go see some fool play chopsticks at a concert hall?
Because a concert pianist is no better than him and its all down to the listeners perception?
Give me a break ;D
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I'll take it a step further, he's a hip hop pioneer.
Right, but in what direction is he pioneering?
Is he encouraging good music, or quickly made throw away ring tone thrown together noises?
There is no universal definition of "good music"
So?
You must unlearn what you have learned.
We can safely say any Gershwin song will beat Britney Spears.
Just because there is no definition doesn't mean you can't work it out for yourself..
Wrong. You must unlearn what you have learned. A pop diva you were conditioned to despise as a kid isn't necessarily bad.
A lot of people think Dr. Dre's music is pure trash. Simple ass lyrics that promote violence and negativity over repetitive beats that are too loud and which he stole from other sources. Me and others on this forum would disagree of course. Who is right?
What the fuck ;D
So you're disagreeing meaning Brtiney Spears 'who isn't necessarily bad' has no worse output than Gershwin.
Buddy this whole philosophy of 'perception of talent' you live by is not definitive.
One can argue the subject of who's better Dre or Snoop but some artsits aren't on the same page. Full stop.
I just told you there's no universal perspective of what makes something good. Are you asking for my opinion? I happen to like some of Gershwin's pieces and I don't like Britney spears so no I'd agree with you.
You're dodging the question. Is Dr. Dre a good producer, or is he trash? I'm telling you there's no single answer. Many people think he has no talent. Personally, I grew up on his music. He got me into hip hop. I love Dr. Dre, and I could get into heated arguments with said people, but at the end of the day there's no universal law about the quality of music. The sky is blue is fact. [insert artist] is good/bad is opinion. You're confusing the two.
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btw since you're talking about classical music (which is weird when the subject is rap), some of these composers were shit on in their time and only became appreciated later on. The same holds true for any other form of art. Obviously this suggests that changing social attitudes also play a role. I wouldn't be surprised if years from now Britney Spears is a legend.
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It's not about confusing the two (extremes).
You can develop an ear for good music like a singer can learn pitch. or a percussionist rhythm. How a DJ learns the best tracks, what go together and how to mix them on the beat.
You mention Dre. We all know Dre doesn't play all the instruments and write raps, but how does he make the hits....he has an ear for talent, for what sounds good. He's a master of that. Anyone could argue gangsta rap is trash just based on lyrical content, but I've never heard anyone say Damn that Cali Love instro is WEAK.
Dre got an ear for it and anyone can too.
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Will if you`re saying that today`s music has way more garbage than it had yesterday then u dont have a good ear 4 music. And u understand whut im saying and spice is saying, u just wana act like that. U need a gurl son, if u cant get 1 of those rite now then get a new hobby. You`re arguing about clearly something your not all that knowlegable about on a broad spectrum with dudes u dont know in tha early morning. If i waz to show u a video recording of yourself live rite now u`d be flabbergasted at urself. We kno wat ur saying but YOU ARE MISSING THA BIGGER PICTURE AS IN UR MISSING A COUPLE OF THA FACTS. Go out and get a beer or sumthing, its alittle after 12 towards tha Eastcoast
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Its ppl like yall who give tha culture a bad look and progress tha isolation and neglagence of it, not tha youth who grew up with tha same music you and i had and more and tomorrow`s music aswell... Im so mad at u niggaz rite now, Kelis-Get tha police-help there`s no peace-Take me to tha beach so i can die and rest in peace!, smh
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I'm not saying there's no good music out there now.
You need to get away from that old vs. new agenda an acting like "pops can't tell me what to like" n slamming doors n shit.
Tell me those 2 facts I'm missing then RadioTube.
I'm ready ;D
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It's not about confusing the two (extremes).
You can develop an ear for good music like a singer can learn pitch. or a percussionist rhythm. How a DJ learns the best tracks, what go together and how to mix them on the beat.
You mention Dre. We all know Dre doesn't play all the instruments and write raps, but how does he make the hits....he has an ear for talent, for what sounds good. He's a master of that. Anyone could argue gangsta rap is trash just based on lyrical content, but I've never heard anyone say Damn that Cali Love instro is WEAK.
Dre got an ear for it and anyone can too.
Actually there's a lot of people who wouldn't feel the instrumental. Dre's beats aren't for everyone. And without lyrics over them they're even more repetitive. Not to mention the fact that Dre didn't come up with the instrumental. It was sampled from a song.
Its a club anthem. What makes Cali Love a better instrumental than Crank Dat? OUR OPINION.
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It's not about confusing the two (extremes).
You can develop an ear for good music like a singer can learn pitch. or a percussionist rhythm. How a DJ learns the best tracks, what go together and how to mix them on the beat.
You mention Dre. We all know Dre doesn't play all the instruments and write raps, but how does he make the hits....he has an ear for talent, for what sounds good. He's a master of that. Anyone could argue gangsta rap is trash just based on lyrical content, but I've never heard anyone say Damn that Cali Love instro is WEAK.
Dre got an ear for it and anyone can too.
Actually there's a lot of people who wouldn't feel the instrumental. Dre's beats aren't for everyone. And without lyrics over them they're even more repetitive. Not to mention the fact that Dre didn't come up with the instrumental. It was sampled from a song.
Its a club anthem. What makes Cali Love a better instrumental than Crank Dat? OUR OPINION.
Interesting comparison.
I'll tell you a story. In 1996 I was in a music store in foggy London Town, and heard Cali Love for the very first time. What did I do? I went and bought it, took it home and bumped the fuck out of it. 15 years later (DAMN!) I'm still kickin back to it and enjoying the hell out of it.
In 2007 I heard Crank Dat on music TV or whatever and I was like damn that shits fresh, I went out to a store (yes I still support new music RadioTube) and bought Souljaboytellem.com ... took it home bumped it 1 or 2 times then when the gimmick had warn off I took it back to the place I bought it and got my $10 back ;D
Can I say one is better than the other? Yes.
If you want me to compare something accomplished like Dinner and a Movie with Techniec's Blacklist I'd have no clear answer for you.
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Okay, let's put it this way: Some music is made for money and/or fame, while some music is made from the heart. Yes, people like different songs, but if the artist is only about the hustle, something will always be missing from the music.
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hmm..
universal law?
everythin is subjective. no blueprints to define what is best or better. same thing wit women and movies.
i dont look at dudes funny cuz they like souljaboytelle.com better than "the chronic". i understand where they comi from, -
n that his or her generation is accustomed to Mr ColliParks style of music/niche.
i do believe, u can compare talent - as in Soulja Boy VS Dr. Dre per say.
but havin great talent doesnt equal better music.
look at Lil B - artisticaly n musicaly, no talent at all. but i download all the new songs wit him, n id rather listen to him nowadays than Chino XL or Kool G Rap.
he makes enetrtainin music.
feel me?
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hmm..
universal law?
everythin is subjective. no blueprints to define what is best or better. same thing wit women and movies.
Lol @ like women.
Hardly the same. That's like arguing which sunset is better or which river sounds more peaceful..
Movies are no different than music.
No one can say Apocalyps Now is no better than The Hottie & the Nottie. ;D
There are good movies and there are straight out bad ones.
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hmm..
universal law?
everythin is subjective. no blueprints to define what is best or better. same thing wit women and movies.
Lol @ like women.
Hardly the same. That's like arguing which sunset is better or which river sounds more peaceful..
Movies are no different than music.
No one can say Apocalyps Now is no better than The Hottie & the Nottie. ;D
There are good movies and there are straight out bad ones.
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damn..
no offense, but ur kinda stupid.
all good bro,
i respect ur hustle... *smeer*
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hmm..
universal law?
everythin is subjective. no blueprints to define what is best or better. same thing wit women and movies.
Lol @ like women.
Hardly the same. That's like arguing which sunset is better or which river sounds more peaceful..
Movies are no different than music.
No one can say Apocalyps Now is no better than The Hottie & the Nottie. ;D
There are good movies and there are straight out bad ones.
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damn..
no offense, but ur kinda stupid.
all good bro,
i respect ur hustle... *smeer*
No worries mate I think you live in the clouds too. :pimp:
It seems by you guys definition, anyone can be a credible artist by just 'having a go'
Thats kind of cute. :love2:
I think I might record a single...I've never rapped before but if someone doesn't like it...well that's just their opinion! :laugh:
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U have a narrow minded view of what is and what isnt. Opinions are assholes and blah blah blah but facts r concrete, i mean u dont hear tha yungins ridin down tha street singin ``papa was a rollin stone``. Truthfully and this is from tha heart, i mean no disrespect but its like i was telln this chick tha uther day, ``some ppl are just dumb as shit and dont know it``. Now thats kinda like what my man Bill Maher said tha uther week about Racist but just without tha sarcasm and i had thought of my analogy 1st.
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And props 4 atleast checkin out Soulja Boy`s record and not just immediately disregaurding it, in a way that was kinda mature on your part and u admitted too, kudoz 2 u...even tho i kinda dont believe u. But anyways this thread should be lockd or deleted.
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Lol @ RadioTube comin in with the vets POV
Sorry this thread needs putting to sleep...it's for the best :laugh:
Btw funny how you're still comin with this old vs new angle.
Seems you don't take in what others are saying :-* :-* :-*
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hmm..
universal law?
everythin is subjective. no blueprints to define what is best or better. same thing wit women and movies.
Lol @ like women.
Hardly the same. That's like arguing which sunset is better or which river sounds more peaceful..
Movies are no different than music.
No one can say Apocalyps Now is no better than The Hottie & the Nottie. ;D
There are good movies and there are straight out bad ones.
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damn..
no offense, but ur kinda stupid.
all good bro,
i respect ur hustle... *smeer*
No worries mate I think you live in the clouds too. :pimp:
It seems by you guys definition, anyone can be a credible artist by just 'having a go'
Thats kind of cute. :love2:
I think I might record a single...I've never rapped before but if someone doesn't like it...well that's just their opinion! :laugh:
???
u dont have to b the most talented dude in the world, to record a decent/great song.
talent is somethin else.
its the finished product that matter, not the skills.
Uwe Boll is a bad movie-director, but some of his moives were awesome.
Lil B is wack, but he makes entertaining music.
it all comes down to -- "subjectivty". look it up
ur sufferin from napoleon-syndrome if u think ur opinions weigh more than others..
u can't catagerosize "bad" n "good" music factually, crackboy
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u dont have to b the most talented dude in the world, to record a decent/great song.
talent is somethin else.
its the finished product that matter, not the skills.
Hmmm so rappers don't need to worry about being skilled huh? Funny a lot of them will practice things like breathing, pronunciation, flow, mic control, timing etc. etc.
Time wasted I guess!
ur sufferin from napoleon-syndrome if u think ur opinions weigh more than others..
u can't catagerosize "bad" n "good" music factually, crackboy
Actually if you read between the lines of what I've been saying, I'm NOT saying my opinions are worth more than others, I'm saying others opinions are worth more than they think. :kiss2:
So You'll be happy if I say of all the years you've been listening to music your opinion as to what is good counts for absolutely nothing?
You didn't learn anything? Would never recommend what you felt was good music to a friend?
By yours and others definition we can all sing happy birthday as children, so we must be just as good as Pavarotti!
Who were those people that said he was a great?!
Damn those Napoleon types! ;D
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i only recommend music to ppl - when i know it is the type of music he or she would/could like.
what isnt my cup of tea might not be "wack or "bad per say, n i accept that (as should u) :)
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rappers dont have to be skilled to make a great/decent song.
Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer did classic songs. and they're both wack as "mc's/lyricists" and/or "rappers" (well, at least - Vanilla could flow)
in fact, the un-talented rappers - r usually the ones who can skillfully cater to the oposition wit catchy n digestable song-orchestation.
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huh? ???
"singin good as Pavarotti/children"-whooptywhoop doesnt validate anythin to me. ur low on ammo, son
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in fact, the un-talented rappers - r usually the ones who can skillfully cater to the oposition wit catchy n digestable song-orchestation.
So untalented (your observation) rappers can make catchy tracks (also your observation).
So you can sense talent (or lack of it) and what makes a good/catchy/hit track.
Or you still think thats not possible?
When did you develop this subconscious(?) ability to appreciate the strengths of one song over another?
Next you'll be saying Yes I think it's good! :laugh:
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just give it up Will you're making a Fail of yourself right now... in real life
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in fact, the un-talented rappers - r usually the ones who can skillfully cater to the oposition wit catchy n digestable song-orchestation.
So untalented (your observation) rappers can make catchy tracks (also your observation).
So you can sense talent (or lack of it) and what makes a good/catchy/hit track.
Or you still think thats not possible?
When did you develop this subconscious(?) ability to appreciate the strengths of one song over another?
Next you'll be saying Yes I think it's good! :laugh:
the example wit Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer solidifes it as genuine, donchathink?
have u ever met anybody who like really really, hated on "cant touch this", n knocked it as a Top25-hiphop song? nah..
its a fuckin classic.
have u ever met anybody who hailed MC Hammer as a Top25-mc? nah
like i said,
u dont have to be super talented to create soethin great/decent. specially not in Hiphop..
if u have a good studio-engineer, neat production and recordin in protools, u can come up wit anythin..
u can be horrible movie-director (like Uwe Boll), but wit the right script, actors, scenes u can come up wit somethin decent
finished prorudct is what it all comes down 2, right?
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this thread is stupid
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this thread is stupid
I don't think its that bad. Okay it's gone off topic but there is conversation wih no name calling and Radiotube doing his usual bullshit which everyone is ignoring so its alright. I'm sure the thread will die soon so there is no need to lock it.
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Will was flip floppin more than Blondes at tha beach on a saturday
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LO motherfucking L at tryin to pull the race card in a thread filled with like 2 people who aren't white
Only in America can race be such a huge deal that it effects everything from unfair govt practices to unfair rap opinions
Get the NAACP and ol Jesse in here to even shit out immediately!! WE WILL OVERCOME.
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LO motherfucking L at tryin to pull the race card in a thread filled with like 2 people who aren't white
Only in America can race be such a huge deal that it effects everything from unfair govt practices to unfair rap opinions
Get the NAACP and ol Jesse in here to even shit out immediately!! WE WILL OVERCOME.
20 dollaz say that Al Sharpton would fuck u up in a back alley 1 on 1
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LO motherfucking L at tryin to pull the race card in a thread filled with like 2 people who aren't white
Only in America can race be such a huge deal that it effects everything from unfair govt practices to unfair rap opinions
Get the NAACP and ol Jesse in here to even shit out immediately!! WE WILL OVERCOME.
20 dollaz say that Al Sharpton would fuck u up in a back alley 1 on 1
lmao
After i beat his ass, he'd probably have the police waiting around the corner to arrest me for a federal hate crime charge
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If the hustle is so important to some of you, why don't you big up the ones that do it best? The people at Sony, Interscope, etc. They got the hustle down in a major way, not on some bullshit level like Soulja Boy. Don't know how it benefits the music or HipHop in general, but that is not a priority here is it?
Sony and Interscope have their hustle fucked up. They spent all these years finding ways to legally fuck the artist through the RIAA and then when the game changed and they didn't come prepared, they wanted to rengotiate and cry foul. I'm far more impressed by some teenage kid who came out of nowhere and found a way to make millions than a bunch of college-bred businessmen who let one of the biggest money-making industries in the world get finiancially buried becuase they underestimated technology. Calling back to the 90's rap scene for the argument doesn't work because it was a much different environment then. Comparing Snoop to Soulja Boy doesn't work because Snoop was a superstar but not a millionaire. Snoop was borrowing money from a label he made rich. He left that label owing them albums. Now to be fair, it took for these early superstars to get fucked on their contracts for today's crop to learn how the game was played so some respect should no doubt be shown in that regard.
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If the hustle is so important to some of you, why don't you big up the ones that do it best? The people at Sony, Interscope, etc. They got the hustle down in a major way, not on some bullshit level like Soulja Boy. Don't know how it benefits the music or HipHop in general, but that is not a priority here is it?
Sony and Interscope have their hustle fucked up. They spent all these years finding ways to legally fuck the artist through the RIAA and then when the game changed and they didn't come prepared, they wanted to rengotiate and cry foul. I'm far more impressed by some teenage kid who came out of nowhere and found a way to make millions than a bunch of college-bred businessmen who let one of the biggest money-making industries in the world get finiancially buried becuase they underestimated technology. Calling back to the 90's rap scene for the argument doesn't work because it was a much different environment then. Comparing Snoop to Soulja Boy doesn't work because Snoop was a superstar but not a millionaire. Snoop was borrowing money from a label he made rich. He left that label owing them albums. Now to be fair, it took for these early superstars to get fucked on their contracts for today's crop to learn how the game was played so some respect should no doubt be shown in that regard.
Of course, I totally agree. All I'm saying is, if you look up to rappers because of their hustle, you might be looking up to the wrong people. Who are making the most money? Certainly not the rappers.
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Of course, I totally agree. All I'm saying is, if you look up to rappers because of their hustle, you might be looking up to the wrong people. Who are making the most money? Certainly not the rappers.
Not necessarily. When I look at a lot of these executives, they come from a situation where they are expected to make money. If you came up in Beverly Hills, went to one of the best business schools, and run a multi million-dollar company, being able to make 100 million dollars off a three-million dollar investment is nothing to sneeze at but it's still sort of expected. Now to be someone like 50 Cent, Jay-Z, or Eazy-E who basically came from nothing and to go into a meeting with these business guys who know all the ropes and aren't about to GIVE you anything and be able to walk away with your own company and make millions, that's something. When you're dealing with a record company or say something like the NBA, the contracts are designed so the companies make millions off the artist-player's work. They own the stage so for anyone to be able to create their own lane, I have to be impressed by that.
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Of course, I totally agree. All I'm saying is, if you look up to rappers because of their hustle, you might be looking up to the wrong people. Who are making the most money? Certainly not the rappers.
Not necessarily. When I look at a lot of these executives, they come from a situation where they are expected to make money. If you came up in Beverly Hills, went to one of the best business schools, and run a multi million-dollar company, being able to make 100 million dollars off a three-million dollar investment is nothing to sneeze at but it's still sort of expected. Now to be someone like 50 Cent, Jay-Z, or Eazy-E who basically came from nothing and to go into a meeting with these business guys who know all the ropes and aren't about to GIVE you anything and be able to walk away with your own company and make millions, that's something. When you're dealing with a record company or say something like the NBA, the contracts are designed so the companies make millions off the artist-player's work. They own the stage so for anyone to be able to create their own lane, I have to be impressed by that.
shit thats a good way of looking at it but at the same time only a couple of rappers are really doing that. i mean they all act like they are but theres always some greedy jews behind the scenes caking up
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shit thats a good way of looking at it but at the same time only a couple of rappers are really doing that. i mean they all act like they are but theres always some greedy jews behind the scenes caking up
Unquestionably but I'm not saying anyone should just say "respect his hustle" as an excuse to support crappy music but we've got to realize 1) that the game has changed from the 90's in a very drastic way and 2) being a great businessman in this climate is something to look at. There's a difference between some artist who whored himself for a record company off some garbage pop single and an artist who came off of his own hustle using music I might not personally be crazy about. It would be great if the industry was more about the art and less about the politics but it isn't so the reality is to get control of your music, you need to be able to work the label. Nas might be a better rapper than Jay-Z but Jay has more freedom on a creative level because he's a better hustler. You hear Nas talking about his problems with Def Jam on the "Lost Tapes 2" release but with someone like Jay or 50, they know how to get what they want. They know how to speak to these executives in their own language, which is MONEY. Everyone's been talking about how Game killed 50 Cent's career back in 2005. But it's 2011 and he's still here. His albums sales have slipped a little but he just signed a $200 million dollar production deal for a film company.
And for the sake of the 90's argument, I can point to Eric Wright. Creatively, he wasn't a very good artist to me. He didn't write many of his rhymes and he had very little rhythm on the mic but he owned the company, owned the groups, and had the best people around him to make sure he always had great records. That's a hustle. If he were not an exceptional business man, he would have been shit as an artist. He did the same thing as Puffy. He cherry-picked the very best talent around him, put himself in their videos, and made himself the face of the company. If I were judging him strictly on his artistic merit, he probably wouldn't rate very high but as a businessman, he's a fucking genius and a pioneer so that cancels the other out.
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the rap game has fallen off hard as fuck in skill in the last 5+ years.
here are some examples:
Lil Wayne
Drake
Gucci Mane
Rick Ross
Soulja Boy
the word "swag"
and at #1: AUTO TUNE!
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Killer Mike speaks on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/v/VJQFS5_EJdU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJQFS5_EJdU)
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the rap game has fallen off hard as fuck in skill in the last 5+ years.
here are some examples:
Lil Wayne
Drake
Gucci Mane
Rick Ross
Soulja Boy
the word "swag"
and at #1: AUTO TUNE!
yo.... like.... who still uses AutoTune?
Lil' Wayne - people seem like they're scared of Wayne. Wayne ain't gotta prove shit, he's not even 30 yet and has been puttin' crators in the game since 95' smh
Drake - i never got tha paranoia about him. he's talented and we sha'll leave it at that
Gucci Mane - underground legend
Rick Ross - the biggest boss since Biggie, simple as that. hate it or love it nigga
Soulja Boy - overrated in all of this contraversy. Soulja plays his role, y'all play his balls in your mouth... done deal
the word "Swag", really? u must not be from the States
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the rap game has fallen off hard as fuck in skill in the last 5+ years.
here are some examples:
Lil Wayne
Drake
Gucci Mane
Rick Ross
Soulja Boy
and at #1: AUTO TUNE!
say what u want about any of these niggas... but u can never say they sat around expectin hand outs cryin over other rappers in the game
auto tune has been used since 97....ya favorite rapper uses it......he doesnt use the sound effects...but everybody thats in the music industry uses it.. just about...
funny the scapegoat for rap fallin off was ying yang, d4l, soulja boy
soulja boy still here... replaced ying yang and d4 l with gucci, drake, and rick...
who was any of these niggas yall love to hate..be4 u found out u hated em?
how did they get big n radio play...
they hustle...reason y i buy all they shit....they aint sittin around with broad like mentalities...
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the rap game has fallen off hard as fuck in skill in the last 5+ years.
here are some examples:
Lil Wayne
Drake
Gucci Mane
Rick Ross
Soulja Boy
and at #1: AUTO TUNE!
say what u want about any of these niggas... but u can never say they sat around expectin hand outs cryin over other rappers in the game
auto tune has been used since 97....ya favorite rapper uses it......he doesnt use the sound effects...but everybody thats in the music industry uses it.. just about...
funny the scapegoat for rap fallin off was ying yang, d4l, soulja boy
soulja boy still here... replaced ying yang and d4 l with gucci, drake, and rick...
who was any of these niggas yall love to hate..be4 u found out u hated em?
how did they get big n radio play...
they hustle...reason y i buy all they shit....they aint sittin around with broad like mentalities...
okay.... so i take it quality isnt impportant to u?
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nope...rap game is jus like the film game to me
could careless..i wanna buy it i buy it...
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If the hustle is so important to some of you, why don't you big up the ones that do it best? The people at Sony, Interscope, etc. They got the hustle down in a major way, not on some bullshit level like Soulja Boy. Don't know how it benefits the music or HipHop in general, but that is not a priority here is it?
Sony and Interscope have their hustle fucked up. They spent all these years finding ways to legally fuck the artist through the RIAA and then when the game changed and they didn't come prepared, they wanted to rengotiate and cry foul. I'm far more impressed by some teenage kid who came out of nowhere and found a way to make millions than a bunch of college-bred businessmen who let one of the biggest money-making industries in the world get finiancially buried becuase they underestimated technology. Calling back to the 90's rap scene for the argument doesn't work because it was a much different environment then. Comparing Snoop to Soulja Boy doesn't work because Snoop was a superstar but not a millionaire. Snoop was borrowing money from a label he made rich. He left that label owing them albums. Now to be fair, it took for these early superstars to get fucked on their contracts for today's crop to learn how the game was played so some respect should no doubt be shown in that regard.
Of course, I totally agree. All I'm saying is, if you look up to rappers because of their hustle, you might be looking up to the wrong people. Who are making the most money? Certainly not the rappers.
Not they're not but 3 things :
1) Hustle isn't solely about the amount of money, it's about work-ethic and how you manage to go from "rags to riches". when you see an artist as restless as Bun B, you gotta respect his craft and the work-ethic. That's what I understand by "respect the hustle"
2) Hustle can mean a particular lane that you chose to take and develop despite of other people's jeer or indifference. One might say "I don't fuck with Freestyle Fellowship but can't knock their hustle, they're doing their thing" / I remember Redman saying on 106 and Park answering whether he would collaborate or not with Soulja Boy (this was in regards to the Ice T/Soulja Boy situation) :"i respect everybody that's trying to feed their family, can't knock somebody's hustle, i would collaborate with him"
3) Some rappers are respected because they pimped the system in their own ways. Maybe not pimped but made a tremendous profit when superstars were being pimped by the system (Run DMC in the 80's, Snoop in the 90's). Cash Money signed the biggest deal in Hip Hop History back in 1998 : $3 mill advance + 80% of the wholesale price + $1.5 million credit line per album. and they kept all their master. even if cash money was considered trash by most established hip-hop acts, I think Snoop, Nas, or DMX were in awe in front of such deals. same with E-40 when he signed with Jive and they agreed to pay him $1 mill for each album delivered. not to mention Master P's deal... I think ultimately that's what people mean when they say I respect the hustle
Agree with the "hater" thing though, nowadays everybody gets labeled a hater. In the 90's rap artists and fans alike were shitting on people like Master P & E-40. they were stories were P would open for Pac and Pac would laugh to his face. But then again as soon as you reached some commercial relevance you were a force to be reckoned with. The East didn't really fuck with Gangsta Rap at first but then Def Jam signed a lot of Westcoast artists like SCC, Warren G, WC, Jayo Felony. The East didn't fuck with the South (contrarily to the West who's always been connected to the South) and then you would see Jay-Z, Nas or LL Cool J collaborating with Master P. And if anything, eastcoast rappers and journalists and the whole east-centered rap intelligentsia are the biggest haters.
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because most people who listen to hiphop are retarded and care more about the image than the music.
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Rap ``fans`` have sum of tha worst stereotypes imagined. When r foreigners and old white men gonna realize that rappers (including tha above mentioned) dont dictate watz hot or not? 12 and 13 arent dictating which way tha game is going, thats all lies and hype 4 artists who arent doing well. Seems like this argument never dies no matter what era we`re in or wat tha flavor of tha day is. All i know is that new YG Hootie track crank!
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And yes, its possible to be a hater and not know it
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the rap game has fallen off hard as fuck in skill in the last 5+ years.
here are some examples:
Lil Wayne
Drake
Gucci Mane
Rick Ross
Soulja Boy
the word "swag"
and at #1: AUTO TUNE!
yo.... like.... who still uses AutoTune?
Lil' Wayne - people seem like they're scared of Wayne. Wayne ain't gotta prove shit, he's not even 30 yet and has been puttin' crators in the game since 95' smh
Drake - i never got tha paranoia about him. he's talented and we sha'll leave it at that
Gucci Mane - underground legend
Rick Ross - the biggest boss since Biggie, simple as that. hate it or love it nigga
Soulja Boy - overrated in all of this contraversy. Soulja plays his role, y'all play his balls in your mouth... done deal
the word "Swag", really? u must not be from the States
wayne is wack as fuck drug addict who can barely talk let alone rap.... drake, he is horrible, dude dont even rap - he talks and uses auto tune to make his voice better (also so does wayne ) gucci is a legend of what? ross is nothin like biggie so dont go there, soulja boy is well soulja boy so whatever. and swag! , yes im american and been here my whole life. the word has only become popular in the last 5 years or so and it has gotten so played out for a word never used before it gets used now for everything. what the fuck, lol.
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the rap game has fallen off hard as fuck in skill in the last 5+ years.
here are some examples:
Lil Wayne
Drake
Gucci Mane
Rick Ross
Soulja Boy
and at #1: AUTO TUNE!
say what u want about any of these niggas... but u can never say they sat around expectin hand outs cryin over other rappers in the game
auto tune has been used since 97....ya favorite rapper uses it......he doesnt use the sound effects...but everybody thats in the music industry uses it.. just about...
funny the scapegoat for rap fallin off was ying yang, d4l, soulja boy
soulja boy still here... replaced ying yang and d4 l with gucci, drake, and rick...
who was any of these niggas yall love to hate..be4 u found out u hated em?
how did they get big n radio play...
they hustle...reason y i buy all they shit....they aint sittin around with broad like mentalities...
okay.... so i take it quality isnt impportant to u?
thats basically what he said, he dont care bout quality. lol. u buy music becuase they hustle, LOL, not becuase its good. WOW!
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the rap game has fallen off hard as fuck in skill in the last 5+ years.
here are some examples:
Lil Wayne
Drake
Gucci Mane
Rick Ross
Soulja Boy
the word "swag"
and at #1: AUTO TUNE!
lil wayne, drake and rick ross aren't any worse at rapping than daz
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the rap game has fallen off hard as fuck in skill in the last 5+ years.
here are some examples:
Lil Wayne
Drake
Gucci Mane
Rick Ross
Soulja Boy
and at #1: AUTO TUNE!
say what u want about any of these niggas... but u can never say they sat around expectin hand outs cryin over other rappers in the game
auto tune has been used since 97....ya favorite rapper uses it......he doesnt use the sound effects...but everybody thats in the music industry uses it.. just about...
funny the scapegoat for rap fallin off was ying yang, d4l, soulja boy
soulja boy still here... replaced ying yang and d4 l with gucci, drake, and rick...
who was any of these niggas yall love to hate..be4 u found out u hated em?
how did they get big n radio play...
they hustle...reason y i buy all they shit....they aint sittin around with broad like mentalities...
okay.... so i take it quality isnt impportant to u?
thats basically what he said, he dont care bout quality. lol. u buy music becuase they hustle, LOL, not becuase its good. WOW!
fuck quality who cares, if i want a message i'll call my pops,uncles grandpa up ... a rapper cant tell me shit...
every tuesday i spend close to a bill on new releases at best buy...
i go out to different events ( car shows, concerts, clubs etc) nigga outside hustlin music...ill drop 5-10 bucks...give that nigga hope
i aint never been a snob to music...
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One of the realest posts I've read on here in years. Couldn't agree more. I hear that all the time too, especially with someone like souljaboy "the kid is makin his money so I can't hate". Fine don't hate but don't act like the music isn't fuckin trash.
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the rap game has fallen off hard as fuck in skill in the last 5+ years.
here are some examples:
Lil Wayne
Drake
Gucci Mane
Rick Ross
Soulja Boy
the word "swag"
and at #1: AUTO TUNE!
lil wayne, drake and rick ross aren't any worse at rapping than daz
exactly, i'll even go further and say that wayne and ross are better rappers than daz will ever be. not sayin i prefer them over Daz but c'mon even if you don't like wayne's music, you gotta acknowledge his skills and his craft.
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People who say that little wayne has skills are the same people who thought the movie Crash was deep.
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One of the realest posts I've read on here in years. Couldn't agree more. I hear that all the time too, especially with someone like souljaboy "the kid is makin his money so I can't hate". Fine don't hate but don't act like the music isn't fuckin trash.
theres music outside the west coast youre gay
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It's a disguise to try and conceal a rappers lack of creative ability. Hustling, image, and "swag" (my god, I hate that word) take precedence over talent, and because big labels can push these rappers over TV/radio/publications to the fully recognized level, where everyone is aware of them
Me personally - I hate talentless kids making big money.... Why? Because somewhere, for every talentless person with a deal, there is a talented kid who can play numerous instruments, and has an artistry intellect is down in some low paying job somewhere, which isn't right.
Picture your child, who has spent years - most of his life - attending music classes, writing music, learning instruments, working to spend money on equipment, and spending every bit of free time and energy mastering his craft, while some bozo who has a 2 year hobby to want to be a big rapper for fame and bragging-rights purposes strikes a big deal, while your child looses out.. Somewhere that is happening, and is happening regularly
Labels have a responsibility to ensure the future survival and level of quality in the music industry first and foremost, while profit should be a very close second, but what we see now is shareholders first, profit second, business investment third, so on, and so on, with quality being away down the list... Good for them, but bad for consumer confidence, and dependability for getting value for money, which is why the industry (in a physical product sense - CD's etc) is suffering from a sales point
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It's a disguise to try and conceal a rappers lack of creative ability. Hustling, image, and "swag" (my god, I hate that word) take precedence over talent, and because big labels can push these rappers over TV/radio/publications to the fully recognized level, where everyone is aware of them
Me personally - I hate talentless kids making big money.... Why? Because somewhere, for every talentless person with a deal, there is a talented kid who can play numerous instruments, and has an artistry intellect is down in some low paying job somewhere, which isn't right.
Picture your child, who has spent years - most of his life - attending music classes, writing music, learning instruments, working to spend money on equipment, and spending every bit of free time and energy mastering his craft, while some bozo who has a 2 year hobby to want to be a big rapper for fame and bragging-rights purposes strikes a big deal, while your child looses out.. Somewhere that is happening, and is happening regularly
Labels have a responsibility to ensure the future survival and level of quality in the music industry first and foremost, while profit should be a very close second, but what we see now is shareholders first, profit second, business investment third, so on, and so on, with quality being away down the list... Good for them, but bad for consumer confidence, and dependability for getting value for money, which is why the industry (in a physical product sense - CD's etc) is suffering from a sales point
Real talk, but your comments bout kids working hard for the art will mostly fall on deaf ears here.
I'll probably get called a cracker just for saying that much.. :nawty:
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It's a disguise to try and conceal a rappers lack of creative ability. Hustling, image, and "swag" (my god, I hate that word) take precedence over talent, and because big labels can push these rappers over TV/radio/publications to the fully recognized level, where everyone is aware of them
Me personally - I hate talentless kids making big money.... Why? Because somewhere, for every talentless person with a deal, there is a talented kid who can play numerous instruments, and has an artistry intellect is down in some low paying job somewhere, which isn't right.
Picture your child, who has spent years - most of his life - attending music classes, writing music, learning instruments, working to spend money on equipment, and spending every bit of free time and energy mastering his craft, while some bozo who has a 2 year hobby to want to be a big rapper for fame and bragging-rights purposes strikes a big deal, while your child looses out.. Somewhere that is happening, and is happening regularly
Labels have a responsibility to ensure the future survival and level of quality in the music industry first and foremost, while profit should be a very close second, but what we see now is shareholders first, profit second, business investment third, so on, and so on, with quality being away down the list... Good for them, but bad for consumer confidence, and dependability for getting value for money, which is why the industry (in a physical product sense - CD's etc) is suffering from a sales point
Real talk, but your comments bout kids working hard for the art will mostly fall on deaf ears here.
I'll probably get called a cracker just for saying that much.. :nawty:
Exactly, cause hustling hard pushing a product that most rap/music fans think is shit (notice i didnt say "people who listen to music or buy ringtones") = hitting the lottery. And since when did we give credit to the dude who hits the fucking lottery?
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Me personally - I hate talentless kids making big money.... Why? Because somewhere, for every talentless person with a deal, there is a talented kid who can play numerous instruments, and has an artistry intellect is down in some low paying job somewhere, which isn't right.
Picture your child, who has spent years - most of his life - attending music classes, writing music, learning instruments, working to spend money on equipment, and spending every bit of free time and energy mastering his craft, while some bozo who has a 2 year hobby to want to be a big rapper for fame and bragging-rights purposes strikes a big deal, while your child looses out.. Somewhere that is happening, and is happening regularly
Popular music isn't about how much you learn about music theory or buying equipment. Its about making the music that people want to hear. If they aren't making the music that people are going to want to buy, then what are they complaining about? I don't get what the problem is. Those who are in it to make money are doing just that. Hustling and succeeding at it. Those who are passionate about the "art form" are doing what they love. They aren't in it to make money, they do it because they feel passionate about it.
Labels have a responsibility to ensure the future survival and level of quality in the music industry first and foremost, while profit should be a very close second, but what we see now is shareholders first, profit second, business investment third, so on, and so on, with quality being away down the list... Good for them, but bad for consumer confidence, and dependability for getting value for money, which is why the industry (in a physical product sense - CD's etc) is suffering from a sales point
That's ludicrous. Any business's primary goal is profit. If record labels hadn't seen commercial appeal in hip hop, it never would've elevated to mainstream and selling platinum albums. It would still be kids on the street, doing something they love. They saw the money and they went for it. And once there's no more profit in rap they'll move on to the next big music genre. Bottom line is that the underground is alive and well for those who don't want commercial music. Those who make music to get money can do it, and those who do it because they love it get satisfaction out of doing something they love.
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This whole thread has no credibility. It'd be one thing if this topic was being argued on a Nas forum. But its hypocritical to be talking about lack of skill in the mainstream on a forum that goes gaga over the latest Snoop album.
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Nate Dogg was quoted once before in the 90's or early 2000's saying that he was "only in it for the money"
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the rap game has fallen off hard as fuck in skill in the last 5+ years.
here are some examples:
Lil Wayne
Drake
Gucci Mane
Rick Ross
Soulja Boy
and at #1: AUTO TUNE!
say what u want about any of these niggas... but u can never say they sat around expectin hand outs cryin over other rappers in the game
auto tune has been used since 97....ya favorite rapper uses it......he doesnt use the sound effects...but everybody thats in the music industry uses it.. just about...
funny the scapegoat for rap fallin off was ying yang, d4l, soulja boy
soulja boy still here... replaced ying yang and d4 l with gucci, drake, and rick...
who was any of these niggas yall love to hate..be4 u found out u hated em?
how did they get big n radio play...
they hustle...reason y i buy all they shit....they aint sittin around with broad like mentalities...
okay.... so i take it quality isnt impportant to u?
thats basically what he said, he dont care bout quality. lol. u buy music becuase they hustle, LOL, not becuase its good. WOW!
fuck quality who cares, if i want a message i'll call my pops,uncles grandpa up ... a rapper cant tell me shit...
every tuesday i spend close to a bill on new releases at best buy...
i go out to different events ( car shows, concerts, clubs etc) nigga outside hustlin music...ill drop 5-10 bucks...give that nigga hope
i aint never been a snob to music...
#higherthangod'struth
like i said tho, this thread is wack (not that i judge chit like that). it's just bitching. i don't get how y'all can hang on to something that long and totally block out everything else. if wat 3rd said about "quality music" went over your heads (maybe u coulda been fuckin wit him idk), but if it did then Rap music just doesn't love you back.
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the rap game has fallen off hard as fuck in skill in the last 5+ years.
here are some examples:
Lil Wayne
Drake
Gucci Mane
Rick Ross
Soulja Boy
and at #1: AUTO TUNE!
say what u want about any of these niggas... but u can never say they sat around expectin hand outs cryin over other rappers in the game
auto tune has been used since 97....ya favorite rapper uses it......he doesnt use the sound effects...but everybody thats in the music industry uses it.. just about...
funny the scapegoat for rap fallin off was ying yang, d4l, soulja boy
soulja boy still here... replaced ying yang and d4 l with gucci, drake, and rick...
who was any of these niggas yall love to hate..be4 u found out u hated em?
how did they get big n radio play...
they hustle...reason y i buy all they shit....they aint sittin around with broad like mentalities...
okay.... so i take it quality isnt impportant to u?
thats basically what he said, he dont care bout quality. lol. u buy music becuase they hustle, LOL, not becuase its good. WOW!
fuck quality who cares, if i want a message i'll call my pops,uncles grandpa up ... a rapper cant tell me shit...
every tuesday i spend close to a bill on new releases at best buy...
i go out to different events ( car shows, concerts, clubs etc) nigga outside hustlin music...ill drop 5-10 bucks...give that nigga hope
i aint never been a snob to music...
#higherthangod'struth
like i said tho, this thread is wack (not that i judge chit like that). it's just bitching. i don't get how y'all can hang on to something that long and totally block out everything else. if wat 3rd said about "quality music" went over your heads (maybe u coulda been fuckin wit him idk), but if it did then Rap music just doesn't love you back.
So we shouldn't like quality music?
Or is the definition of quality just being misused? Cause what u guys are sayin is quality = some conscientious, positive message type stuff, and that isnt what "quality" means to me necessarily. This isn't about "message vs fun music" just like it aint about "new vs old".
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So we shouldn't like quality music?
Or is the definition of quality just being misused? Cause what u guys are sayin is quality = some conscientious, positive message type stuff, and that isnt what "quality" means to me necessarily. This isn't about "message vs fun music" just like it aint about "new vs old".
There is no straight definition of quality, hence this thread makes no sense. A lot of the people complaining still listen to washed up rappers who imo can't rap anymore. Who are you to tell me mainstream rappers aren't quality if you still listen to Daz and Snoop?
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So we shouldn't like quality music?
Or is the definition of quality just being misused? Cause what u guys are sayin is quality = some conscientious, positive message type stuff, and that isnt what "quality" means to me necessarily. This isn't about "message vs fun music" just like it aint about "new vs old".
There is no straight definition of quality, hence this thread makes no sense. A lot of the people complaining still listen to washed up rappers who imo can't rap anymore. Who are you to tell me mainstream rappers aren't quality.
they're just bussin ballz at this point. plus Russell's from Brusells or something like that, he wouldn't get it.
and Rus... your Definition of definition of quality is being misused.
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Listen to any old school hiphop that talks about 'wack mcs' - back then if it was weak music people knew the reals and you wouldn't be seen dead listening to it. Credible music had streetcred or whatever you want to call it and you didn't need a definition to know when something was wack jack. Nowadays those lyrical disses have changed and bone head rappers have beef with one another on twitter and shit like that. If you call something wack or weak you're a hater... That's not a comment about old vs new music it's about the attitude and mindset of the listener.
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1. There is black and white talent when it comes to music. If that weren't true, which it is, then you couldnt tell the difference between 50 cent and 50 tyson. Thats not me liking one over the other for some subjective reason, thats me recognizing ones got more talent than the other.
2. Im from and live in California, so that whole Euro thing doesnt apply here. And FYI, I havent bought a Dogg Pound album for the last decade.
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Listen to any old school hiphop that talks about 'wack mcs' - back then if it was weak music people knew the reals and you wouldn't be seen dead listening to it. Credible music had streetcred or whatever you want to call it and you didn't need a definition to know when something was wack jack. Nowadays those lyrical disses have changed and bone head rappers have beef with one another on twitter and shit like that. If you call something wack or weak you're a hater... That's not a comment about old vs new music it's about the attitude and mindset of the listener.
u crazy back then nobody gave a fuck what other people was listenin 2....i was raised in that era...i have heard niggas listenin 2 young mc to biz markie in the cars...loud..
goto dances...vanilla ice, hammer, d.u, doug e fresh, etc all bein played..
wasnt no real hip hop shit bein said..nobody gave a damn...they was enjoyin life... u come up to somebody tryin2 check em bout they music kuz its not ya style...get head knocked off..
.thats why different folks peole call wack now...went gold and platinum and mostly the ones screamin that sucka mc shit...fell to the waist side..
rakim consider the greatest mc ever.. couldnt stay relevant past 91..same 4 krs 1...p.e..all the mcs in new york that were people ooooh n ahhhhh over..couldnt outsell the wackest of music from 89-94..
how vanilla ice n hammer come out the gate and go diamond?
nobody gave a fuck what people thought or what they listen to ...
nowadays all the ones screamin that credible music shit got a outlet...which is online...outside the net nobody gives a fuck about the quality...if it go hard in the club n on the streets....fuck the quality...
back then...nobody gave a shit....
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euros act like detox is gon be the 2nd coming of jesus
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When the word "swag" is used by dorky white teens from rich kids on MTV shows, and teeny bopper singers like Keisha, you know it's not cool to use, and about as relevant to use as "bling bling", or "chillax". It's actually really corny and cringe worthy when a so called rapper uses it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_FB9myOy90
Today, with the overuse of auto-tune, and lack of talent required ^^ He would easily get a deal... A business's main goal is profit, but in some exceptions as media, it has to take expansion, and quality seriously being in an environment that has critics daily 24/7, otherwise sales will suffer. And guess what? They have. It has nothing to do with piracy. Piracy existed in the 90's, and music was easier to bootleg/record than what it is now... It's all down to quality
The 90's had it's fair share of average artists, and some horrible releases too.... But by comparison, a lot of those average releases are classed by many on here as "sh!t on anything brought out today".. I think it's the mainstream dominance of monotone wack rap is the main concern here, and reason why there's no confidence in the market anymore. In the 90's, early to mid 2000, you had your 2Pac, Biggie, Puffy, Snoop, Dre etc. Then the Eminems. Hell even the RnB Destiny s Child, Mary J, Lauren Hill & Dru Hill. There was major talent on the mainstream. Then 2000's, Jay Z, Neptunes, LL, Nas, to the likes of Murder Inc, all releasing musical product, before Kanye & G-unit blew up and got hated on a lot. Some of it was corny too, like Ja Rule/Ashanti collaborations for example, but the mainstream was far more competitive, and had rappers/singers who could actually rap and sing on their own. Even the singers were rhyming words with more than syllable
Then you get to todays standards and you get the likes of this for example:
http://www.youtube.com/v/6kgpbHdbZA0&feature=fvwrel
His other song juice, and pretty much anything else to do with Gucci, drake and so on - The mainstream by comparison is why people say that Hip Hop is dead. Although the underground is pretty much alive, the mainstream part is pretty much dead with no big talent out there putting out good work. Even vets like Jay Z, Snoop and now even Dr Dre are putting out sub standard work. They aren't opening the door and having a room available for the young talented artists to stay around, so there isn't any consumer confidence anymore... N you all know that, you see it everyday when you walk into a music store how many times they need to re-release/re-cycle old hits in new packaging because it seems to be the only way that music can stand up for buying power to keep the cash coming in, in a weaker music industry.
90's classics, Hip Hop classics, R&B anthems, Hip Hop - The message (party anthems), Ultimate Hip Hop box, Best Hits of Hip Hop, The ultimate collections, Essentials, The very best of's... They churn more of those out today than they ever did. It was a rarity to see those before..
In ten years time, will they be releasing "classics"/"anthems" compilations weekly, with the likes of Gucci, drake & Lil Wayne all over them?? ..... Exactly.. They don't have the ability to create timeless music, the music that stands the test of time, and is enjoyed years after they're gone... I don't give a shyt about how many youtube views they have, or how many 'Twitter' followers they have, or how many endorsement deals they've "hustled"... Because at the end of the day, to me, it's the music that speaks the loudest, and I can't hear shyt from any of those weak rapping pop singers
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It has nothing to do with piracy. Piracy existed in the 90's, and music was easier to bootleg/record than what it is now...
HUH?
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It has nothing to do with piracy. Piracy existed in the 90's, and music was easier to bootleg/record than what it is now...
HUH?
In the late 80's/early 90's when cassette tapes where still the primary music format, you were able to copy albums using your stereo by simply putting an album into the CD player, a blank cassette tape (or any tape for that matter) into the cassette deck, and hit record... So easy that any idiot could do it, at any age. Even grandparents could do it. Music industry was fine then
There were stalls, markets, every day people in schools etc selling, or handing out tapes. You could record those hit songs direct from the radio.. Then the mid-late 90's came, and CD recordable drives were commercially available to anyone, and you knew at least 6 people who had huge lists containing pages and pages of albums to buy for penny's, and could even request albums to get from those people... Napster, and audio galaxy were thriving too in the late 90s/2000... Music industry was doing fine then
But today however, there is no major free workable file sharing program specific to music, forum links die quite quickly, and for the most who aren't computer smart, then downloading music isn't very easy, and it's very controlled now. typing in "free MP3's" or trying to google for free music takes you to paying websites, and subscriptions and memberships. Where do the general internet users find them?.. There are no cassette tapes anymore, and there isn't that large number of people you could go to, to look through their lists
This BS excuse about the internet being the cause and decline of sales in the music industry is just a convenient excuse for lazy industry suits, and until people wake up and realise that, then they're going to be continually blinded by the lies as a result from the release of lazy, sloppy attempts at music...
I don't want to spend my money on amateur electronic beats with auto-tuned lazy flow lyrics, with 1-2 half decent songs, and I sure as fk don't want to buy their re-cycled "classics", and "greatest hits" that I have 10x from "bought" CD's already, and many more of us feel and act the same
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It has nothing to do with piracy. Piracy existed in the 90's, and music was easier to bootleg/record than what it is now...
HUH?
In the late 80's/early 90's when cassette tapes where still the primary music format, you were able to copy albums using your stereo by simply putting an album into the CD player, a blank cassette tape (or any tape for that matter) into the cassette deck, and hit record... So easy that any idiot could do it, at any age. Even grandparents could do it. Music industry was fine then
There were stalls, markets, every day people in schools etc selling, or handing out tapes. You could record those hit songs direct from the radio.. Then the mid-late 90's came, and CD recordable drives were commercially available to anyone, and you knew at least 6 people who had huge lists containing pages and pages of albums to buy for penny's, and could even request albums to get from those people... Napster, and audio galaxy were thriving too in the late 90s/2000... Music industry was doing fine then
But today however, there is no major free workable file sharing program specific to music, forum links die quite quickly, and for the most who aren't computer smart, then downloading music isn't very easy, and it's very controlled now. typing in "free MP3's" or trying to google for free music takes you to paying websites, and subscriptions and memberships. Where do the general internet users find them?.. There are no cassette tapes anymore, and there isn't that large number of people you could go to, to look through their lists
This BS excuse about the internet being the cause and decline of sales in the music industry is just a convenient excuse for lazy industry suits, and until people wake up and realise that, then they're going to be continually blinded by the lies as a result from the release of lazy, sloppy attempts at music...
I don't want to spend my money on amateur electronic beats with auto-tuned lazy flow lyrics, with 1-2 half decent songs, and I sure as fk don't want to buy their re-cycled "classics", and "greatest hits" that I have 10x from "bought" CD's already, and many more of us feel and act the same
r u serious? ???
only current n new links for specific releases r shut down by major distriubtion companies, n new links for the same files get upped every day
u can find anythin in the world, within 3 seconds on google. old ppl too, they know the bidness. nothin is controlled
the only ppl who r buyin cds, r record-collectors or artist-fans. the tuth is what it is - music isn't sellin bcuz of the lack of quality. the mp3-file came along n destoryed the market.
compact discs will officialy die within the next 5 or 6 yrs according to industry-xperts, n i believe so too. cds will live on in asia tho - and collectible vinyl will still exist
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n't know any old people who can even "use" google. But over this side, the advantages of a physical CD outweigh the negatives.. An entire computer collection of albums can be wiped out through virus, or files accidentally deleted or corrupted, which make a CD a superior choice.
Coldplay sold like 7 million in 2008. Taylor Swift sold like close to 9 million last year. Big numbers are to this day more than achievable as already shown, but given that an album is a solid product, and most of all marketed, and promoted correctly, those numbers can be done again and again. If they put all their effort and resources into pushing out these no talent bums with weak product purely for quick cash like they have been doing, then the long term results are evident. Quality is a enormous issue in a lot of big companies, and the lack of it can result in loss of sales, confidence, and no new business. We're always told that quality drives productivity, but no quality is being driven
I don't know what it's like in the US, but here in the UK it's like the big old problem of 'benefits (welfare) V work', where a lazy guy will sit at home all day and receive benefits because going out every day to work will only give him an extra £50 a month, which leaves him thinking "what's the point", and that's where the industries at right now. Why bother putting in the effort in releasing good quality product by the bucket load. Do you think the suits loose anything? They simply give lower rate deals to the queues of naive fame hungry kids who are more than happy to sign, sell out more to advertisements and sponsoring, 360 deals on artists etc. and still go home with the same amount of money they would normally have had doing the alternative
I do agree with a certain number of CD's being bought by artist fans, or collectors but the industry itself can be to blame for that glitch, as well as stores/shops for not modernising enough to cater for the new age, but that's an entirely different discussion altogether
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It's a disguise to try and conceal a rappers lack of creative ability. Hustling, image, and "swag" (my god, I hate that word) take precedence over talent, and because big labels can push these rappers over TV/radio/publications to the fully recognized level, where everyone is aware of them
Me personally - I hate talentless kids making big money.... Why? Because somewhere, for every talentless person with a deal, there is a talented kid who can play numerous instruments, and has an artistry intellect is down in some low paying job somewhere, which isn't right.
Picture your child, who has spent years - most of his life - attending music classes, writing music, learning instruments, working to spend money on equipment, and spending every bit of free time and energy mastering his craft, while some bozo who has a 2 year hobby to want to be a big rapper for fame and bragging-rights purposes strikes a big deal, while your child looses out.. Somewhere that is happening, and is happening regularly
Labels have a responsibility to ensure the future survival and level of quality in the music industry first and foremost, while profit should be a very close second, but what we see now is shareholders first, profit second, business investment third, so on, and so on, with quality being away down the list... Good for them, but bad for consumer confidence, and dependability for getting value for money, which is why the industry (in a physical product sense - CD's etc) is suffering from a sales point
Welcome to reality. Talent is one thing but you also need drive and determination as well. I don't see it being some great injustice to the world that we cheer for someone who uses their brain to compensate for their lack of natural gifts. Generally speaking, entertainment is based on finding a lane to create something that people enjoy and making your money off it. This is not some new concept. When we go to the movies, do we watch the best technically-crafted films or the ones with the best special effects, car chases, action scenes, and biggest stars? The only specific talent required is reading into what the listener or audience finds engaging.
If my child is spending years or most of his life perfecting his craft then he shouldn't be worried about a "big deal". He should be worried about his art. If he wants to be finiancially-succesful in the music business, he should study BUSINESS. It's actually more simple than you make it. You're trying to lump art and commerce together and it doesn't always work that way. It is possible to be both a great entertainer and a great artist but you need to be dedicated to those things. You try to paint these business-savy guys as being lazy assholes who got lucky but I don't see it that way. They more than likely studied just as hard as your music theory folks, they just put their attention into other areas. In a lot of cases, it's the talented people who were LAZY. They assumed because they knew how to sing or compose music or write songs that these guys who spent years in business school or learned their hustle on the street through the drug game would just do their accounting and book-keeping for them and give them the money. Great art comes from learning your craft. Financial success comes from learning how to manage money. I can name a gang of great artists who are broke. I don't know too many self-made millionaires who are idiots.
There are a number of indepedent movie and music companies that put out product I find mediocre at best. However when the people behind these ventures speak, I listen. Know why? Because while some of my favorite rappers, musicians, and film directors have to censor themselves or wait years to get their films or albums released, these other guys can pretty much create whatever they want and put it out on their own imprint. I might not personally enjoy what they do but I admire their hustle. Music fans getting mad because technical skill doesn't equal record sales is kind of like calculus students getting angry because high IQ's don't always translate to lots of pussy. You can pout all day because the dumb jock just fucked your high school crush or you can figure out the game and do that shit yourself.
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No ones saying that it isn't hard to study towards a serious business qualification, and they aren't stupid either. Yes, it takes years to master your career, but that doesn't mean that they don't get lazy at the top
The real question is: Do you think the quality of 'mainstream' music today is as good as it was in the 90's, or even early 00's?
Movies is different than music. Visual entertainment requires full concentration, awareness, thought etc. Music can be enjoyed in different ways. Cleaning the car, driving, partys etc.
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euros act like detox is gon be the 2nd coming of jesus
americans act like all euros are the same... c'mon son... you really need to put out that euro/american shit again?
anyway.... back to the topic. i wonder why you people care that much about who's on top, why they on top, who's better than who and all this bullshit. I have no problem with Wayne, Soulja, Drake or whoever making their money, being on the radio and whatever even though i think their music is whack. This is business... they're on top probably just because their managers have good links... Record sales ain't shit anyway. Charts ain't shit. Why don't you stick to the music you like and let other people listen to what they like. If you don't like things on the radio/tv simply don't listen... simple as that... Times have changed.... If you can't accomodate to that at the age of 20,25,30 think how embittered you'll be at the age of 70....
but damn... what can i expect from people who love to argue, and insult each other just because they're from different states, countries or continents... immaturity at its best... or worst...