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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Your favorite posters favorite poster on June 14, 2011, 07:46:32 PM
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I know everyone is goin say I'm trolling but I'm not. Some times the harsh truth is too much for soft bitches to deal with so they throw petty insults to hide their hurt feelings. I have no problem calling out rappers, my track record proves it. I had vendetta against Snoop years ago and now look at him, his last album went double driftwood but thats besides the point. My original point has to do with 2pac.
Now growing up 2pac was my favorite rapper behind Nas but the older I got the more I realized what a piece of shit 2pac truly was. Don't give me that bullshit his music was uplifting or whatever lame excuse you will throw at me. His music was entertainment and if you need music to motivate you, you have some serious deep seeded issues. 2pac was a greedy piece of shit. Those close to Pac have all confirmed he knew Big and Puff had nothing to do with his first shooting. But Pac couldn't separate real life and entertainment. In order to sell more records he took a very serious real life situation and threw two innocent men into the middle of it because he wanted to make a fucking buck. Because of his actions not only did two more black mothers have to bury their children, two young black children will grow up without a father, an issue that has plagued the African American community. 2pac is the reason two young children have no Dad and are just another statistic. He lost his own life which he clearly did not value and took an innocent man with him. I know my homie Infinite feels me on the fatherless black children comment Yet so many continue to worship this piece of shit. It's disgusting and needs to stop now. It's one thing to keep things on an entertainment tip, it is what it is. But this greedy piece of shit destroyed countless lives and for what ? A fucking buck, disgusting.
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For some reason the more I read the more I kept thinking about that scene in bad boys 2 when the pool exploded and will smith yelled "now that's funny! That's some funny shit".
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nah son, u didnt know Pac and u obviously dont know Hollywood. there's no base or thesis 4 wat ur saying. u look like ur being greedy 4 attention. Im not hurt by wat ur saying, i thinks its pretty funny that u actually took tha time out 2 write that and even funnier believe that lol. People want a reason to go against tha grain, Pac or anybody else isnt immune to that, not even God.
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nah son, u didnt know Pac and u obviously dont know Hollywood. there's no base or thesis 4 wat ur saying. u look like ur being greedy 4 attention. Im not hurt by wat ur saying, i thinks its pretty funny that u actually took tha time out 2 write that and even funnier believe that lol. People want a reason to go against tha grain, Pac or anybody else isnt immune to that, not even God.
Dispute what I said instead of blanket statements.
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What's up with that gif
LOL
That would be the worst ever
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all u want people to do is agree with u. it looks like more of a joke/shock post than anything real. wat do u want people to say, ''yeah man fuck 2pac, right on!''. it doesnt make any sense and its stupid lol...next
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yeah man fuck 2pac, right on!
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I agree with most of that, and 2pac growing up was my favorite rapper growing up. I was damn near depressed when he died and I was 10-11 years old. As I grew up though, I realized I was being a fool and falling for Afeni's propaganda machine.
I believe Pac started out with the best intentions. His earlier albums and his background (child of Black Panthers) really did show through his passion early on. He wanted to speak to world about how he felt and how a lot of black America felt at that time. As time went on he became corrupted (around the same time he got mixed up in the Hollywood machine). Gangsta rap was huge at that time, and he wanted his piece of the pie. He was an actor, a damn good one, so he played the part of a thug well at first glance.
Not just that, but he fucked up, got locked up with a rape conviction and made a deal with the devil to get free. That's when he threw everything he believed in to the way side and sold out in his attempts to be a gangsta rapper. He wasn't built for that shit being a performing arts student and it showed by the way he fucked with the wrong people and paid the ultimate price for it. Of course, Afeni did the best for her son by making him out to be some prolific gift from God, but anybody with common sense could see through it.
Now I never thought about the lives he put in danger until Prodigal Son put it into perspective. It's starting to make sense. Pac, for his own gain, did not only put lives in danger recklessly but he incited a Hip-Hop civil war of sorts with the East Coast/West Coast beef. It took years to heal those wounds and it really did tarnish the reputation of urban music altogether. If you look at it that way, 2pac was extremely selfish in doing that.
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I'd say Pac is likely the GOAT, or one of them. But clearly, he was a piece of shit of a human. Similar to Nate Dogg. In the end, death is their only salvation.
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Lol @ that response.
understand something, I could give a fuck less about 2pac as a person. Same goes with any other rapper. I enjoy their music and that's it. But to blame all that shit on dude and call him a piece of shit? You're reaching for attention.
Btw: why exactly is pac going from panther power to thug life so hard for you to understand. As people grow people change and we don't know what or who we will become. Example: some girls I went to jr high with were nerdy as hell in school, then I saw them on myspace around the time we graduated and they were slutted out in every pic and basically begging for dudes to fuck them. Or some niggas I grew up that were bagin hard as fuck in their younger days went to jail, came out and suddenly all they do is go to work / church / and home. We all grow and we all change. Pac was no exception to the rule. Its not hard to understand; he grew up as a political driven young man with the potential to be where obama eventually ended up but the society he grew up in made him a cold / paranoid / angry person who just wanted to fuck his enemies lifes up. Had he not died he might have ended up in jail for another 5 years and came out completely changed, maybe back to political, maybe a weirdo like shyne, maybe gay? Who knows
As joe budden once said "can you expect something to grow and not change"?
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lol at you all acting like you knew Pac. Saying that he was a piece of shit as a person, that he did this and that all for personal gain. You got it all figured out huh?
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Lol @ that response.
understand something, I could give a fuck less about 2pac as a person. Same goes with any other rapper. I enjoy their music and that's it. But to blame all that shit on dude and call him a piece of shit? You're reaching for attention.
Btw: why exactly is pac going from panther power to thug life so hard for you to understand. As people grow people change and we don't know what or who we will become. Example: some girls I went to jr high with were nerdy as hell in school, then I saw them on myspace around the time we graduated and they were slutted out in every pic and basically begging for dudes to fuck them. Or some niggas I grew up that were bagin hard as fuck in their younger days went to jail, came out and suddenly all they do is go to work / church / and home. We all grow and we all change. Pac was no exception to the rule. Its not hard to understand; he grew up as a political driven young man with the potential to be where obama eventually ended up but the society he grew up in made him a cold / paranoid / angry person who just wanted to fuck his enemies lifes up. Had he not died he might have ended up in jail for another 5 years and came out completely changed, maybe back to political, maybe a weirdo like shyne, maybe gay? Who knows
As joe budden once said "can you expect something to grow and not change"?
That's all gravy and a valid point. People change. People don't wanna acknowledge the negative shit he did towards the end of his life though. That's all I'm trying to get at. He's still in my top 5 and to this day I play his music because its entertainment and nothing more to me. The thread starter was analyzing 2pac the person so I just shared how I felt.Who knows how he would of turned out, but we'll never learn.
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People don't wanna acknowledge the negative shit he did towards the end of his life though. That's all I'm trying to get at.
You got it twisted man. Towards the end of his life, Tupac was actually focussing on a lot of positive music like the One Nation project.
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@sikotic
Nah there's no doubt that in his last days he let suge pump him up and turn him into a puppet. But I'm not gonna call him a piece of shit or blame biggie's death on him
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@sikotic
Nah there's no doubt that in his last days he let suge pump him up and turn him into a puppet. But I'm not gonna call him a piece of shit or blame biggie's death on him
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People don't wanna acknowledge the negative shit he did towards the end of his life though. That's all I'm trying to get at.
You got it twisted man. Towards the end of his life, Tupac was actually focussing on a lot of positive music like the One Nation project.
lmao are you that blind? He started a war against Biggie, who wanted nothing more than to be friends. He involved every other rapper who even spoke on it and made it a coast war. He was about to go to jail for rape. Not to mention he put the beatdown on a dude the night he got killed.
The guy wasn't capable of getting along with most of the people he met in life. From shooting police officers, to beating up movie directors, to trying to intimidate and fight many other rappers, to not even getting along with his own label mates.
People say Pac was before his time and not meant for this world. What they really mean is he didn't have the social skills necessary to live a regular life like everyone else. Pac is the douche that no one wants to invite to the party because they know he can't behave himself.
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Lol @ calling biggie and puffy innocent though. I'm not sure how a known crack dealer and a known scam artist can be called innocent.
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I'm not sure why I'm responding to these accusations but here goes:
lmao are you that blind? He started a war against Biggie, who wanted nothing more than to be friends. He involved every other rapper who even spoke on it and made it a coast war.
As you well know, Pac was convinced Biggie was aware of who shot him. Biggie took subliminal shots at Pac, like the record "Who shot ya" etc. I'm no expert on the subject, but I don't find it very believable that Biggie was this innocent kid who just wanted to be friends :P. Throw Puffy in the mix (one of the biggest slimeballs in the industry) and you know there is probably more to this story than you let on.
He was about to go to jail for rape.
The conviction was sexual abuse, but Tupac has always claimed he was set up and in fact innocent. Believe who you will.
The guy wasn't capable of getting along with most of the people he met in life.
As far as I can tell he had a wild personality, yes, but what do you know about the people that surrounded him? How hard do you think it is to stay true to your integrity in an industry filled with fakes, phoneys and jealous people? Pac spoke on all this in his records, so you know the score.
From shooting police officers
Oh those poor police officers! Have you even read into that case?
to beating up movie directors, to trying to intimidate and fight many other rappers
Don't know about this
to not even getting along with his own label mates.
Like who, Dre? Come on now, he got MAJOR love from his label mates.
People say Pac was before his time and not meant for this world. What they really mean is he didn't have the social skills necessary to live a regular life like everyone else. Pac is the douche that no one wants to invite to the party because they know he can't behave himself.
Now you are just talking shit.
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I'm not sure why I'm responding to these accusations but here goes:
lmao are you that blind? He started a war against Biggie, who wanted nothing more than to be friends. He involved every other rapper who even spoke on it and made it a coast war.
As you well know, Pac was convinced Biggie was aware of who shot him. Biggie took subliminal shots at Pac, like the record "Who shot ya" etc. I'm no expert on the subject, but I don't find it very believable that Biggie was this innocent kid who just wanted to be friends :P. Throw Puffy in the mix (one of the biggest slimeballs in the industry) and you know there is probably more to this story than you let on.
And in retaliation he.........makes a song about it? LMAO. Pac was paranoid and alienated his best friend. For such a slimeball he was a champ during the whole situation. They were making public attempts to end any beef and avoid the drama while Pac was running his mouth off.
The guy wasn't capable of getting along with most of the people he met in life.
As far as I can tell he had a wild personality, yes, but what do you know about the people that surrounded him? How hard do you think it is to stay true to your integrity in an industry filled with fakes, phoneys and jealous people? Pac spoke on all this in his records, so you know the score.
We know who he didn't get along with and that's half the people he knew
From shooting police officers
Oh those poor police officers! Have you even read into that case?
Already knowing Pac's personality do you really think he didn't cause the situation?
to beating up movie directors, to trying to intimidate and fight many other rappers
Don't know about this
Then read up. He beat up the Menace 2 Society director, hence why he didn't get the part. And he got into it with east coast rappers. Just read all the confrontation stories.
to not even getting along with his own label mates.
Like who, Dre? Come on now, he got MAJOR love from his label mates.
Who did he get along with besides Suge and the friends (Outlawz) he brought to the label. Snoop? Dpg? lol. Kurupt almost got his ass beat for crying out loud. There were known problems between Pac's people and Snoop's people (who are essentially ALL of his other labelmates).
People say Pac was before his time and not meant for this world. What they really mean is he didn't have the social skills necessary to live a regular life like everyone else. Pac is the douche that no one wants to invite to the party because they know he can't behave himself.
Now you are just talking shit.
Compare how much unnecessary bullshit he got into versus any other ordinary person. And it was all his own doing. You could invite him to your party if you want, but you'd have to be prepared for drama.
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hes my favorite rapper ever... i love his music.... yes he made quite a few questionable decisions... but people are fuck ups... we all do dumb shit and as a whole our species is killing a planet based on our dumb decisions... so fuck it, who cres enjoy the music.
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the general response this board gets to any 2pac song,
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the guy made some good music, but end of the day was a total fake.
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i want to see you after you get shot from "maybe" so-called friends and right after that go to jail for something you not did + the bad influences on Death Row...i think everybody would be like Pac if they witnessed the same...and he didnt had a shitty character...in the end for a 25 year old man he was kind of wise...he said so much great things in his music and the passion really was unique...i would say if those "Pac-Haters" would only talk with Pac for 5 Minutes they also would be Star-strucked and realize that he was in the end a good person...
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Wait a minute . . . I open the window of this forum (West Coast Forum)
and read the sentence like this 'Pac piece of Shit'
The moderators of the forum Dubcnn have to exclude certain people from the forum .. for the love of god .
The guy come in and talk about it here, totally disrespectful .
So .. Mr. Prodigal Son
FUCK YOU ! FUCK YOUR INNOCENT RAPPERS, P.DIDDY,NOTORIOUS BIG,BAD BOY ENTERTENIMENT,FUCK YOUR FAV 2ND RAPPER NAS
FUCK WHAT YOU THINK, FUCK WHAT YOU SAY
MUCH RESPECT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TUPAC SHAKUR, THIS IS A FORUM DEDICATED TO WESTSIDERS LOVERS AND PAC IS OUR SYNBOL,OUR HERO,OUR KING
Next time, WASH YOUR MOUTH TO SPEAK OF PAC
MOVE YOUR ASS TO THE FORUM, EAST COAST NEW YORK 'THE LAND OF RAP'
THERE YOU CAN CRITICIZE TUPAC, AND PRAISE THEIR LITTLE FRIENDS
NOTORIOUS BIG - KILLA AND CRACK DEALER, FAT PIG
P. DIDDY - OR I AM SWAG ??????? HAHA
NAS - SUCK BALLS OF PAC IN THUGZ MANSION
RESPET THA WEST MOTHERFUCKER, YOU FUCK OUTTA HERE FUCKIN FAGGOT,
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Wait a minute . . . I open the window of this forum (West Coast Forum)
and read the sentence like this 'Pac piece of Shit'
The moderators of the forum Dubcnn have to exclude certain people from the forum .. for the love of god .
The guy come in and talk about it here, totally disrespectful .
So .. Mr. Prodigal Son
FUCK YOU ! FUCK YOUR INNOCENT RAPPERS, P.DIDDY,NOTORIOUS BIG,BAD BOY ENTERTENIMENT,FUCK YOUR FAV 2ND RAPPER NAS
FUCK WHAT YOU THINK, FUCK WHAT YOU SAY
MUCH RESPECT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TUPAC SHAKUR, THIS IS A FORUM DEDICATED TO WESTSIDERS LOVERS AND PAC IS OUR SYNBOL,OUR HERO,OUR KING
Next time, WASH YOUR MOUTH TO SPEAK OF PAC
MOVE YOUR ASS TO THE FORUM, EAST COAST NEW YORK 'THE LAND OF RAP'
THERE YOU CAN CRITICIZE TUPAC, AND PRAISE THEIR LITTLE FRIENDS
NOTORIOUS BIG - KILLA AND CRACK DEALER, FAT PIG
P. DIDDY - OR I AM SWAG ??????? HAHA
NAS - SUCK BALLS OF PAC IN THUGZ MANSION
RESPET THA WEST MOTHERFUCKER, YOU FUCK OUTTA HERE FUCKIN FAGGOT,
;D
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People don't wanna acknowledge the negative shit he did towards the end of his life though. That's all I'm trying to get at.
You got it twisted man. Towards the end of his life, Tupac was actually focussing on a lot of positive music like the One Nation project.
Yea a lot of positives...accusing rappers of conspiring against him thus fueling the east vs west beef and calling Dre a fag. That's real positive stuff.
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lol at you all acting like you knew Pac. Saying that he was a piece of shit as a person, that he did this and that all for personal gain. You got it all figured out huh?
Those all closest to Pac have confirmed he knew Big and Puff had nothing to do with the shooting. And a number of people have confirmed the comments at an award show where he bumped into Big and said something along the lines of, its not personal its strictly business.
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Those all closest to Pac have confirmed he knew Big and Puff had nothing to do with the shooting. And a number of people have confirmed the comments at an award show where he bumped into Big and said something along the lines of, its not personal its strictly business.
What's your source?
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Lol @ calling biggie and puffy innocent though. I'm not sure how a known crack dealer and a known scam artist can be called innocent.
In the grand schme of life they weren't innocent and just for the record I want everyone to know I think Puffy is a piece of shit. He was also jacking Big and when Big died he died with nothing, everything was in Puff's name. He was planning to screw Big over too. But in this case, both Big and Puff were innocent in the shooting.
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Those all closest to Pac have confirmed he knew Big and Puff had nothing to do with the shooting. And a number of people have confirmed the comments at an award show where he bumped into Big and said something along the lines of, its not personal its strictly business.
What's your source?
Go look it up yourself, I'm at work and after work I'm going to see my girl. I don't have time to look up a bunch of stuff I've read over the years. You're the one with hurt feelings, are you afraid to look it up ?
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What's your source?
Go look it up yourself, I'm at work and after work I'm going to see my girl. I don't have time to look up a bunch of stuff I've read over the years. You're the one with hurt feelings, are you afraid to look it up ?
Huh? I ask you where you get all this info from and you start talking about me having my feelings hurt?
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And don't get me wrong I still love a lot of Pacs music and MATW is in my top 3 albums and AEOM is in my top 10-15. But I'm able to seperate the man and the music and realize what a piece a shit Pac became in his last year of his life. The man is responsible for two children having to grow up without a father. And let's be honest, his actions set rap music back God knows how many years. If Pac kept it strictly music the game would be totally different. It is possible that mainstream rap would actually be material of substance. But pac set us back, it is what it is.
Also one more thing, for where's the proof people. What did Big and Puff have to gain from Pac's shooting ? Big was already a bigger star and selling more records. Neither were a threat to each other. Their was nothing to gain from killing pac. Cats really showing their age and where they were in 95. To put it in perspective, it would be like Wayne setting up Kid Cudi.
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What's your source?
Go look it up yourself, I'm at work and after work I'm going to see my girl. I don't have time to look up a bunch of stuff I've read over the years. You're the one with hurt feelings, are you afraid to look it up ?
Huh? I ask you where you get all this info from and you start talking about me having my feelings hurt?
I'm at work posting from my phone, go look it up yourself lol. You already got hurt feelings and your afraid to look it up lol. But people from the Outlawz to the street dudes actually involved with the shooting have backed up these claims.
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Also one more thing, for where's the proof people. What did Big and Puff have to gain from Pac's shooting ? Big was already a bigger star and selling more records. Neither were a threat to each other. Their was nothing to gain from killing pac. Cats really showing their age and where they were in 95. To put it in perspective, it would be like Wayne setting up Kid Cudi.
I'm not saying this is right, but the theory is that the Black Mafia (Haitian Jack etc) financed Bad Boy and wanted 2Pac to sign but he said no and so was shot as it was a sign of disrespect; Biggie & Puffy knew but were too scared to warn him.
This is the theory 2Pac went with and I've read many times, not saying it's true, but it's what people think.
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@Prodigal son
Man you are so full of shit it's not even funny. You start this discussion with all kinds of claims about Tupac, but you are not willing to back ANYTHING up with evidence, or even a single quote.
On a sidenote, you keep saying that Biggie didn't have Pac killed, but who claims that he did that? Certainly not Tupac! He only said Biggie knew who did it, but didn't reach out to tell him. So, knowing you don't even get that fact straight, it's probable you have misinterpreted most of the stuff you think you know.
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I know everyone is goin say I'm trolling but I'm not. Some times the harsh truth is too much for soft bitches to deal with so they throw petty insults to hide their hurt feelings. I have no problem calling out rappers, my track record proves it. I had vendetta against Snoop years ago and now look at him, his last album went double driftwood but thats besides the point. My original point has to do with 2pac.
Now growing up 2pac was my favorite rapper behind Nas but the older I got the more I realized what a piece of shit 2pac truly was. Don't give me that bullshit his music was uplifting or whatever lame excuse you will throw at me. His music was entertainment and if you need music to motivate you, you have some serious deep seeded issues. 2pac was a greedy piece of shit. Those close to Pac have all confirmed he knew Big and Puff had nothing to do with his first shooting. But Pac couldn't separate real life and entertainment. In order to sell more records he took a very serious real life situation and threw two innocent men into the middle of it because he wanted to make a fucking buck. Because of his actions not only did two more black mothers have to bury their children, two young black children will grow up without a father, an issue that has plagued the African American community. 2pac is the reason two young children have no Dad and are just another statistic. He lost his own life which he clearly did not value and took an innocent man with him. I know my homie Infinite feels me on the fatherless black children comment Yet so many continue to worship this piece of shit. It's disgusting and needs to stop now. It's one thing to keep things on an entertainment tip, it is what it is. But this greedy piece of shit destroyed countless lives and for what ? A fucking buck, disgusting.
i won't talk about 2pac because i've never been a fan of his music but this part of your post is 100% true - "His music was entertainment and if you need music to motivate you, you have some serious deep seeded issues. ". I can't understand people who take music too serious...
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Wait a minute . . . I open the window of this forum (West Coast Forum)
and read the sentence like this 'Pac piece of Shit'
The moderators of the forum Dubcnn have to exclude certain people from the forum .. for the love of god .
The guy come in and talk about it here, totally disrespectful .
So .. Mr. Prodigal Son
FUCK YOU ! FUCK YOUR INNOCENT RAPPERS, P.DIDDY,NOTORIOUS BIG,BAD youBOY ENTERTENIMENT,FUCK YOUR FAV 2ND RAPPER NAS
FUCK WHAT YOU THINK, FUCK WHAT YOU SAY
MUCH RESPECT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TUPAC SHAKUR, THIS IS A FORUM DEDICATED TO WESTSIDERS LOVERS AND PAC IS OUR SYNBOL,OUR HERO,OUR KING
Next time, WASH YOUR MOUTH TO SPEAK OF PAC
MOVE YOUR ASS TO THE FORUM, EAST COAST NEW YORK 'THE LAND OF RAP'
THERE YOU CAN CRITICIZE TUPAC, AND PRAISE THEIR LITTLE FRIENDS
NOTORIOUS BIG - KILLA AND CRACK DEALER, FAT PIG
P. DIDDY - OR I AM SWAG ??????? HAHA
NAS - SUCK BALLS OF PAC IN THUGZ MANSION
RESPET THA WEST MOTHERFUCKER, YOU FUCK OUTTA HERE FUCKIN FAGGOT,
You sound mad lmfao. Let's get one thing straight, I'm from Queens NY and if your scrawny, clog wearing, european ass ever spoke to me like that in person I would take your wooden clog off and beat your skull in.
Who am I kidding I would laugh my fucking ass off at your broken english and how emotional you are over a rapper. Then I would mock you till you cried. This dude really said Pac was his king and hero LMFAO your pathetic lmfao. You would suck Pac off if you could lmfao ahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahah omg for real that was the funniest in dubcc history
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Wait a minute . . . I open the window of this forum (West Coast Forum)
and read the sentence like this 'Pac piece of Shit'
The moderators of the forum Dubcnn have to exclude certain people from the forum .. for the love of god .
The guy come in and talk about it here, totally disrespectful .
So .. Mr. Prodigal Son
FUCK YOU ! FUCK YOUR INNOCENT RAPPERS, P.DIDDY,NOTORIOUS BIG,BAD youBOY ENTERTENIMENT,FUCK YOUR FAV 2ND RAPPER NAS
FUCK WHAT YOU THINK, FUCK WHAT YOU SAY
MUCH RESPECT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TUPAC SHAKUR, THIS IS A FORUM DEDICATED TO WESTSIDERS LOVERS AND PAC IS OUR SYNBOL,OUR HERO,OUR KING
Next time, WASH YOUR MOUTH TO SPEAK OF PAC
MOVE YOUR ASS TO THE FORUM, EAST COAST NEW YORK 'THE LAND OF RAP'
THERE YOU CAN CRITICIZE TUPAC, AND PRAISE THEIR LITTLE FRIENDS
NOTORIOUS BIG - KILLA AND CRACK DEALER, FAT PIG
P. DIDDY - OR I AM SWAG ??????? HAHA
NAS - SUCK BALLS OF PAC IN THUGZ MANSION
RESPET THA WEST MOTHERFUCKER, YOU FUCK OUTTA HERE FUCKIN FAGGOT,
You sound mad lmfao. Let's get one thing straight, I'm from Queens NY and if your scrawny, clog wearing, european ass ever spoke to me like that in person I would take your wooden clog off and beat your skull in.
Who am I kidding I would laugh my fucking ass off at your broken english and how emotional you are over a rapper. Then I would mock you till you cried. This dude really said Pac was his king and hero LMFAO your pathetic lmfao. You would suck Pac off if you could lmfao ahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahah omg for real that was the funniest in dubcc history
haha dudes fucking brazilian... he needs to fuck off back to samba class.
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You are going for the easy targets, lame ass trolls
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Wait a minute . . . I open the window of this forum (West Coast Forum)
and read the sentence like this 'Pac piece of Shit'
The moderators of the forum Dubcnn have to exclude certain people from the forum .. for the love of god .
The guy come in and talk about it here, totally disrespectful .
So .. Mr. Prodigal Son
FUCK YOU ! FUCK YOUR INNOCENT RAPPERS, P.DIDDY,NOTORIOUS BIG,BAD BOY ENTERTENIMENT,FUCK YOUR FAV 2ND RAPPER NAS
FUCK WHAT YOU THINK, FUCK WHAT YOU SAY
MUCH RESPECT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TUPAC SHAKUR, THIS IS A FORUM DEDICATED TO WESTSIDERS LOVERS AND PAC IS OUR SYNBOL,OUR HERO,OUR KING
Next time, WASH YOUR MOUTH TO SPEAK OF PAC
MOVE YOUR ASS TO THE FORUM, EAST COAST NEW YORK 'THE LAND OF RAP'
THERE YOU CAN CRITICIZE TUPAC, AND PRAISE THEIR LITTLE FRIENDS
NOTORIOUS BIG - KILLA AND CRACK DEALER, FAT PIG
P. DIDDY - OR I AM SWAG ??????? HAHA
NAS - SUCK BALLS OF PAC IN THUGZ MANSION
RESPET THA WEST MOTHERFUCKER, YOU FUCK OUTTA HERE FUCKIN FAGGOT,
lol... that was lame as fuck. how can people get so overexcited over music? ;D this is some sig worthy stuff
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Great thread and good points brought up. For me, I never knew 2pac nor claim to as a fan of his music. I am at the least a fan of the music. What he or anyone else on this forum or not on this forum do in their spare time is their business and when it's "check out time", heaven or hell, your life will be dealt with accordingly.
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@Prodigal son
Man you are so full of shit it's not even funny. You start this discussion with all kinds of claims about Tupac, but you are not willing to back ANYTHING up with evidence, or even a single quote.
On a sidenote, you keep saying that Biggie didn't have Pac killed, but who claims that he did that? Certainly not Tupac! He only said Biggie knew who did it, but didn't reach out to tell him. So, knowing you don't even get that fact straight, it's probable you have misinterpreted most of the stuff you think you know.
Pac has said in the past Big and Puff set him up. If Pac was mad about Big and Puff knowing is one thing but is also highly debatable. But hey as long as it makes Pac look good and Big look bad who needs sources because when its helps pacs case hearsay is all we need. But Pac wasn't just saying Big knew about the shooting, he said they were directly involved lol.
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You are going for the easy targets, lame ass trolls
Easy targets ? I'm going at everyone who has replied yourself included. Are you saying you're an easy target ?
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While I agree 2pac wasn't the most positive person at the end of his life, I wouldn't say he was a "piece of shit". That's kinda harsh.
I was reading this interview yesterday btw and it talks about the Pac of the last days, good read.
http://www.abcdrduson.com/interviews/feature-vo.php?id=269&p=1
Also, Pac may have had a problem with Kurupt at some point (and Daz said that while they were beefing, not a reliable source) but Kurupt was really one of Pac's best friends on tha row(kurupt is everybody's best friend in the industry if you hadn't noticed lol), you can see footage of Pac & Kurupt crackin' up jokes & chillin in the studio. Pac was actually good friends with DPG except Snoop towards the end.
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Of course, Afeni Infinite did the best for her son his man-crush by making him out to be some prolific gift from God, but anybody with common sense could see through it.
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Wait a minute . . . I open the window of this forum (West Coast Forum)
and read the sentence like this 'Pac piece of Shit'
The moderators of the forum Dubcnn have to exclude certain people from the forum .. for the love of god .
The guy come in and talk about it here, totally disrespectful .
So .. Mr. Prodigal Son
FUCK YOU ! FUCK YOUR INNOCENT RAPPERS, P.DIDDY,NOTORIOUS BIG,BAD BOY ENTERTENIMENT,FUCK YOUR FAV 2ND RAPPER NAS
FUCK WHAT YOU THINK, FUCK WHAT YOU SAY
MUCH RESPECT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TUPAC SHAKUR, THIS IS A FORUM DEDICATED TO WESTSIDERS LOVERS AND PAC IS OUR SYNBOL,OUR HERO,OUR KING
Next time, WASH YOUR MOUTH TO SPEAK OF PAC
MOVE YOUR ASS TO THE FORUM, EAST COAST NEW YORK 'THE LAND OF RAP'
THERE YOU CAN CRITICIZE TUPAC, AND PRAISE THEIR LITTLE FRIENDS
NOTORIOUS BIG - KILLA AND CRACK DEALER, FAT PIG
P. DIDDY - OR I AM SWAG ??????? HAHA
NAS - SUCK BALLS OF PAC IN THUGZ MANSION
RESPET THA WEST MOTHERFUCKER, YOU FUCK OUTTA HERE FUCKIN FAGGOT,
Iron Sheik......is that you?
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People don't wanna acknowledge the negative shit he did towards the end of his life though. That's all I'm trying to get at.
You got it twisted man. Towards the end of his life, Tupac was actually focussing on a lot of positive music like the One Nation project.
Yeah but All Eyez On Me and The 7 Day Theory weren't really on the positive tip.
@sikotic
Nah there's no doubt that in his last days he let suge pump him up and turn him into a puppet. But I'm not gonna call him a piece of shit or blame biggie's death on him
Well to be fair, I don't think it was intentional. He was a young guy. I think he was my age when he died. We don't make the best decisions in our early to mid-20s. Igniting a bi-coastal war in hip hop shouldn't of led to violence, but it did. Biggie came out against it. Pac didn't. Maybe because he didn't see the severity of it at the time, but also Pac was making people a lot of money with the image he was portraying. Hindsight is 20/20 so maybe at the time he didn't see the danger he was putting people in. It's hard to dispute that he didn't endanger lives though. I hope it was unintentional, but when you're telling people it was "strictly business" it makes you wonder.
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this whole thread is irrational and yall keep feeding into it by giving life to his words.
Pac transitioned at 25 (he wasn't even 25 for 3 months at that). He'll be young forever in this world for as long as time goes on...
as far as Biggie's kids go and Voletta and Afeni I feel sympathy for them, I have a cousin who transitioned and he left behind 6 or 7 children so I get it. But Pac's life was bigger than 2 kids and a mother, he was more powerful than that, the world can understand as Al Pacino would say. Pac was setting himself up to be a political influence (like they tried to make Jay Z with the Obama campaign but he probably would've been bigger just 4 tha fact that he was doing his thing on a bigger scale way before Jay Z and his parents were leaders in the Black Panther party).
some of yall dont really understand the way the world works and the shit the media feeds into your brain and this idiot just came over here to rain on the parade (i get it). nobody is perfect and everybody has faults and we have alotta faults myfriends. you're talking about a guy who was 25 who didn't live up to his full potential. He strong armed niggaz for their fame and career, in real life if you were there you would've respected that no matter how u felt about him going at it. Funk Flex didn't open up any doors for this type of conversation becuz most people (and i mean most) get it, and it doesn't take a psychologist or a professor of some sort to break it down.
Pac may have not been a Gangster (a Piru to be exact) and he may have went to acting school but dont get it twisted, the man wasn't soft and didnt need a group of people to get his back for him, people were attracted to the man anyway.
Long story short dude was livin the rock star life most of us can only dream about and he did him while living it. It's not too hard to seperate 2Pac Shakur from "Makaveli" (the album), why, becuz the man wasn't all that much different from his music and his acting roles. Like i said there's alotta people in this world who dont understand the way the world works, i could break it down even more but then I'd be entertaining this idea of somehow Pac was a "piece of trash" and the world should lower a knotch or two of respect for him becuz there were casualties involved.
Pac never lied about anything, he said he was from New York (he even surrounded himself mainly with cats from the Eastside), his moms, nas, and biggie all came out and said that he acknowledged that it was all for the money, he didn't lie about going to acting school, he never said before his fame bitches were on his dick and let alone actually wanted to talk to him. Pac tried to kill the whole East Coast vs. West Coast issue many times PUBLICLY. He had a SLIGHT episode with Snoop over a radio interview becuz the nigga was neutral (wow) but u saw them two niggaz together a day or two before the shooting and if it was really all that serious then it wouldn't have happened or u woulda saw something funny go on and he wouldnt have acknowledged Snoop in that interview.
I mean in real life who are yall surrounding yourselfs with, what do u do, what life did u lead and what life do u lead now. Everybody seems to have an opinion on wat fake is, maybe becuz you yourself have done some things that could be considered fake or hypocritical, some things people wouldnt understand, u mean to tell me you've never faught with your brothers before? Pac brought reality to entertainment, that's something NWA make as transparent, that's something Ozzy Ozborne couldn't really do, that's something George Clinton couldnt make visually clear. I'll admit I've done some things outta hatred and for the sake of being disrespectful, I've picked fights with people who otherwise could've probably been my friends (my true friends), I've done that, I can admit that. Some niggaz still walk around like they shit dont stink.
For all we know Pac was jesus reincarnated for the 401st time, except this time Jesus came back as a nigga with an attitude who loved to smoke weed and drink liquor. I'm not saying that's true but people can be so 1demensional about shit (funny word that word "shit" is too, no "tales from the hood" type shit).
End all be all, You're looking for a lie or a conflict that isn't there. That was the genius and reality of 2Pac, that was part of the gift.
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if any of us died at 25 we'd have accomplished NOTHING in life
Pac? 6 movies, 6 records (including Thuglife)
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If you think Pac was "a piece of shit" or u wanna compare a term like that in any stage of dudes life in any way shape or form then your're lost in your imagination.
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if any of us died at 25 we'd have accomplished NOTHING in life
Pac? 6 movies, 6 records (including Thuglife)
So ? The fact he was accomplished in the world of entertainment makes up for the fact his selfish behavior is the reason two children grow up without a father ? His albums make up for the fact two more black mothers gotta bury their children, spare me with the bull shit. And for the record I've said I love Pac's music and Matw is a personal classic. Doesn't take away from the fact his selfish actions destroyed countless families.
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this whole thread is irrational and yall keep feeding into it by giving life to his words.
Pac transitioned at 25 (he wasn't even 25 for 3 months at that). He'll be young forever in this world for as long as time goes on...
as far as Biggie's kids go and Voletta and Afeni I feel sympathy for them, I have a cousin who transitioned and he left behind 6 or 7 children so I get it. But Pac's life was bigger than 2 kids and a mother, he was more powerful than that, the world can understand as Al Pacino would say. Pac was setting himself up to be a political influence (like they tried to make Jay Z with the Obama campaign but he probably would've been bigger just 4 tha fact that he was doing his thing on a bigger scale way before Jay Z and his parents were leaders in the Black Panther party).
some of yall dont really understand the way the world works and the shit the media feeds into your brain and this idiot just came over here to rain on the parade (i get it). nobody is perfect and everybody has faults and we have alotta faults myfriends. you're talking about a guy who was 25 who didn't live up to his full potential. He strong armed niggaz for their fame and career, in real life if you were there you would've respected that no matter how u felt about him going at it. Funk Flex didn't open up any doors for this type of conversation becuz most people (and i mean most) get it, and it doesn't take a psychologist or a professor of some sort to break it down.
Pac may have not been a Gangster (a Piru to be exact) and he may have went to acting school but dont get it twisted, the man wasn't soft and didnt need a group of people to get his back for him, people were attracted to the man anyway.
Long story short dude was livin the rock star life most of us can only dream about and he did him while living it. It's not too hard to seperate 2Pac Shakur from "Makaveli" (the album), why, becuz the man wasn't all that much different from his music and his acting roles. Like i said there's alotta people in this world who dont understand the way the world works, i could break it down even more but then I'd be entertaining this idea of somehow Pac was a "piece of trash" and the world should lower a knotch or two of respect for him becuz there were casualties involved.
Pac never lied about anything, he said he was from New York (he even surrounded himself mainly with cats from the Eastside), his moms, nas, and biggie all came out and said that he acknowledged that it was all for the money, he didn't lie about going to acting school, he never said before his fame bitches were on his dick and let alone actually wanted to talk to him. Pac tried to kill the whole East Coast vs. West Coast issue many times PUBLICLY. He had a SLIGHT episode with Snoop over a radio interview becuz the nigga was neutral (wow) but u saw them two niggaz together a day or two before the shooting and if it was really all that serious then it wouldn't have happened or u woulda saw something funny go on and he wouldnt have acknowledged Snoop in that interview.
I mean in real life who are yall surrounding yourselfs with, what do u do, what life did u lead and what life do u lead now. Everybody seems to have an opinion on wat fake is, maybe becuz you yourself have done some things that could be considered fake or hypocritical, some things people wouldnt understand, u mean to tell me you've never faught with your brothers before? Pac brought reality to entertainment, that's something NWA make as transparent, that's something Ozzy Ozborne couldn't really do, that's something George Clinton couldnt make visually clear. I'll admit I've done some things outta hatred and for the sake of being disrespectful, I've picked fights with people who otherwise could've probably been my friends (my true friends), I've done that, I can admit that. Some niggaz still walk around like they shit dont stink.
For all we know Pac was jesus reincarnated for the 401st time, except this time Jesus came back as a nigga with an attitude who loved to smoke weed and drink liquor. I'm not saying that's true but people can be so 1demensional about shit (funny word that word "shit" is too, no "tales from the hood" type shit).
End all be all, You're looking for a lie or a conflict that isn't there. That was the genius and reality of 2Pac, that was part of the gift.
What the fuck are you rambling about ? The fact that you worship and view another man like this is sick and disturbing. And all kidding aside you shoulld really seek some professional help because loving and worshipping another man like this, isn't healthy.
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Wait a minute . . . I open the window of this forum (West Coast Forum)
and read the sentence like this 'Pac piece of Shit'
The moderators of the forum Dubcnn have to exclude certain people from the forum .. for the love of god .
The guy come in and talk about it here, totally disrespectful .
So .. Mr. Prodigal Son
FUCK YOU ! FUCK YOUR INNOCENT RAPPERS, P.DIDDY,NOTORIOUS BIG,BAD BOY ENTERTENIMENT,FUCK YOUR FAV 2ND RAPPER NAS
FUCK WHAT YOU THINK, FUCK WHAT YOU SAY
MUCH RESPECT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TUPAC SHAKUR, THIS IS A FORUM DEDICATED TO WESTSIDERS LOVERS AND PAC IS OUR SYNBOL,OUR HERO,OUR KING
Next time, WASH YOUR MOUTH TO SPEAK OF PAC
MOVE YOUR ASS TO THE FORUM, EAST COAST NEW YORK 'THE LAND OF RAP'
THERE YOU CAN CRITICIZE TUPAC, AND PRAISE THEIR LITTLE FRIENDS
NOTORIOUS BIG - KILLA AND CRACK DEALER, FAT PIG
P. DIDDY - OR I AM SWAG ??????? HAHA
NAS - SUCK BALLS OF PAC IN THUGZ MANSION
RESPET THA WEST MOTHERFUCKER, YOU FUCK OUTTA HERE FUCKIN FAGGOT,
so you guys are/were pacs lovers?
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Wait a minute . . . I open the window of this forum (West Coast Forum)
and read the sentence like this 'Pac piece of Shit'
The moderators of the forum Dubcnn have to exclude certain people from the forum .. for the love of god .
The guy come in and talk about it here, totally disrespectful .
So .. Mr. Prodigal Son
FUCK YOU ! FUCK YOUR INNOCENT RAPPERS, P.DIDDY,NOTORIOUS BIG,BAD BOY ENTERTENIMENT,FUCK YOUR FAV 2ND RAPPER NAS
FUCK WHAT YOU THINK, FUCK WHAT YOU SAY
MUCH RESPECT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TUPAC SHAKUR, THIS IS A FORUM DEDICATED TO WESTSIDERS LOVERS AND PAC IS OUR SYNBOL,OUR HERO,OUR KING
Next time, WASH YOUR MOUTH TO SPEAK OF PAC
MOVE YOUR ASS TO THE FORUM, EAST COAST NEW YORK 'THE LAND OF RAP'
THERE YOU CAN CRITICIZE TUPAC, AND PRAISE THEIR LITTLE FRIENDS
NOTORIOUS BIG - KILLA AND CRACK DEALER, FAT PIG
P. DIDDY - OR I AM SWAG ??????? HAHA
NAS - SUCK BALLS OF PAC IN THUGZ MANSION
RESPET THA WEST MOTHERFUCKER, YOU FUCK OUTTA HERE FUCKIN FAGGOT,
lmfao so much fail in this post.
thanks for endorsing all the european stereotypes the american posters have labeled you guys with through the years.
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nah i dont worship entertainers or human beings. i just think tha intention of this thread backfired and honestly i could really give a fuck about wat Progidal Son from Queens thinks. Youre a drama queen, a hypocrit, and a liar and just bcuz u say u love some of Pac's music doesnt mean we're supposed to feel where youre comin from just becuz youre a fan too. Im not gona pretend like Pac wasnt upliftin just 2 go against tha grain just 4 u or 4 tha sake of conversation. U have a rare opinion without facts
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^Relax, Queens get the money. 8)
Cross Bay BLVD. stand up. ;D
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personally i know kids and mothers (and fathers) who are way more deserving so in reality fuck those 5, does that make it anymore right? stop trying to pander to people with guilt and sympathy. u dont know what was going thru Pac's head (or mine).
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Well if you want to believe that Isaac dude who came out today, and I personally do, 2Pac was 100% right about the entire beef. This dude is (was) apparently close with Biggie, so of course Big would have known who and how the whole thing went down. If I was Pac and my so-called friend knew who shot me and acted like he didn't, when I almost got killed, I would have a huge fuckin problem too.
Listen to Pac's interviews for those of you morons assuming you know the guy. (When in reality yall were probably little kids at the time).
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Actually thinking about it now, this is pretty funny. Every rapper raps about fucked up, awful things they've done in their life. Everybody is a terrible person lol.
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if any of us died at 25 we'd have accomplished NOTHING in life
Pac? 6 movies, 6 records (including Thuglife)
So he made music and starred in movies, while most of us were more accomplished at actual life skills. Hell, 5 year old kids can make movies and sing on records. Putting out albums doesn't make him a better person than me.
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Tom, u are such a dumb piece of shit, and I really hope u realize this. I'm not even gunna comment on ur dumbass thread, I just wanted to let u know, once again, what a dumb hick faggot u truly are. I'm not even a big 2Pac fan (I do like his shit, just not as much as most peeps here), so I aint just sayin it groupiestyle....straight up, u just really are one stupid mutherfucker.
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if any of us died at 25 we'd have accomplished NOTHING in life
Pac? 6 movies, 6 records (including Thuglife)
So he made music and starred in movies, while most of us were more accomplished at actual life skills. Hell, 5 year old kids can make movies and sing on records. Putting out albums doesn't make him a better person than me.
well what i'm saying is Pac accomplished a lot more plus lived thru a much harder life than we had to live (homelessness as an example)
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Lol @ that response.
understand something, I could give a fuck less about 2pac as a person. Same goes with any other rapper. I enjoy their music and that's it. But to blame all that shit on dude and call him a piece of shit? You're reaching for attention.
real spit
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Tom, u are such a dumb piece of shit, and I really hope u realize this. I'm not even gunna comment on ur dumbass thread, I just wanted to let u know, once again, what a dumb hick faggot u truly are. I'm not even a big 2Pac fan (I do like his shit, just not as much as most peeps here), so I aint just sayin it groupiestyle....straight up, u just really are one stupid mutherfucker.
calm down wigger...breathe.
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Tom, u are such a dumb piece of shit, and I really hope u realize this. I'm not even gunna comment on ur dumbass thread, I just wanted to let u know, once again, what a dumb hick faggot u truly are. I'm not even a big 2Pac fan (I do like his shit, just not as much as most peeps here), so I aint just sayin it groupiestyle....straight up, u just really are one stupid mutherfucker.
calm down wigger...breathe.
arent u white? lmao...stfu, square.
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sure ill be whatever helps you sleep better at night playboy.
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Wait a minute . . . I open the window of this forum (West Coast Forum)
and read the sentence like this 'Pac piece of Shit'
The moderators of the forum Dubcnn have to exclude certain people from the forum .. for the love of god .
The guy come in and talk about it here, totally disrespectful .
So .. Mr. Prodigal Son
FUCK YOU ! FUCK YOUR INNOCENT RAPPERS, P.DIDDY,NOTORIOUS BIG,BAD BOY ENTERTENIMENT,FUCK YOUR FAV 2ND RAPPER NAS
FUCK WHAT YOU THINK, FUCK WHAT YOU SAY
MUCH RESPECT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TUPAC SHAKUR, THIS IS A FORUM DEDICATED TO WESTSIDERS LOVERS AND PAC IS OUR SYNBOL,OUR HERO,OUR KING
Next time, WASH YOUR MOUTH TO SPEAK OF PAC
MOVE YOUR ASS TO THE FORUM, EAST COAST NEW YORK 'THE LAND OF RAP'
THERE YOU CAN CRITICIZE TUPAC, AND PRAISE THEIR LITTLE FRIENDS
NOTORIOUS BIG - KILLA AND CRACK DEALER, FAT PIG
P. DIDDY - OR I AM SWAG ??????? HAHA
NAS - SUCK BALLS OF PAC IN THUGZ MANSION
RESPET THA WEST MOTHERFUCKER, YOU FUCK OUTTA HERE FUCKIN FAGGOT,
lmfao so much fail in this post.
thanks for endorsing all the european stereotypes the american posters have labeled you guys with through the years.
This is possibly one of the greatest posts ever. I re-read it and laugh every time.
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this gem is sig worthy
THIS IS A FORUM DEDICATED TO WESTSIDERS LOVERS AND PAC IS OUR SYNBOL,OUR HERO,OUR KING
Next time, WASH YOUR MOUTH TO SPEAK OF PAC
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it's fun to get into the history of this music, I own DVD's and stuff too
but you can't take all this too seriously
I just look at every rapper like someone who witnessed things and talks about them for the most part
when I play 2pac, I play for the flow, the beats, the guest spots, the samples of old school songs
I'm not worried about what his mother did or is doing, therefore not liking it, makes no sense
if you don't like it you don't like, don't worry about it, there's plenty rappers I dislike
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Wait a minute . . . I open the window of this forum (West Coast Forum)
and read the sentence like this 'Pac piece of Shit'
The moderators of the forum Dubcnn have to exclude certain people from the forum .. for the love of god .
The guy come in and talk about it here, totally disrespectful .
So .. Mr. Prodigal Son
FUCK YOU ! FUCK YOUR INNOCENT RAPPERS, P.DIDDY,NOTORIOUS BIG,BAD BOY ENTERTENIMENT,FUCK YOUR FAV 2ND RAPPER NAS
FUCK WHAT YOU THINK, FUCK WHAT YOU SAY
MUCH RESPECT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TUPAC SHAKUR, THIS IS A FORUM DEDICATED TO WESTSIDERS LOVERS AND PAC IS OUR SYNBOL,OUR HERO,OUR KING
Next time, WASH YOUR MOUTH TO SPEAK OF PAC
MOVE YOUR ASS TO THE FORUM, EAST COAST NEW YORK 'THE LAND OF RAP'
THERE YOU CAN CRITICIZE TUPAC, AND PRAISE THEIR LITTLE FRIENDS
NOTORIOUS BIG - KILLA AND CRACK DEALER, FAT PIG
P. DIDDY - OR I AM SWAG ??????? HAHA
NAS - SUCK BALLS OF PAC IN THUGZ MANSION
RESPET THA WEST MOTHERFUCKER, YOU FUCK OUTTA HERE FUCKIN FAGGOT,
lmfao so much fail in this post.
thanks for endorsing all the european stereotypes the american posters have labeled you guys with through the years.
LMAO, dude is Brazilian though
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same thing.
hes not american...
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I know everyone is goin say I'm trolling but I'm not. Some times the harsh truth is too much for soft bitches to deal with so they throw petty insults to hide their hurt feelings. I have no problem calling out rappers, my track record proves it. I had vendetta against Snoop years ago and now look at him, his last album went double driftwood but thats besides the point. My original point has to do with 2pac.
Now growing up 2pac was my favorite rapper behind Nas but the older I got the more I realized what a piece of shit 2pac truly was. Don't give me that bullshit his music was uplifting or whatever lame excuse you will throw at me. His music was entertainment and if you need music to motivate you, you have some serious deep seeded issues. 2pac was a greedy piece of shit. Those close to Pac have all confirmed he knew Big and Puff had nothing to do with his first shooting. But Pac couldn't separate real life and entertainment. In order to sell more records he took a very serious real life situation and threw two innocent men into the middle of it because he wanted to make a fucking buck. Because of his actions not only did two more black mothers have to bury their children, two young black children will grow up without a father, an issue that has plagued the African American community. 2pac is the reason two young children have no Dad and are just another statistic. He lost his own life which he clearly did not value and took an innocent man with him. I know my homie Infinite feels me on the fatherless black children comment Yet so many continue to worship this piece of shit. It's disgusting and needs to stop now. It's one thing to keep things on an entertainment tip, it is what it is. But this greedy piece of shit destroyed countless lives and for what ? A fucking buck, disgusting.
it goes like this, "how da fuck the king of newyork dont know what goes on in his own town."
thats fucking true, big and puff knew wassap.
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2pac was a ballerina. ill leave it at that
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Wait a minute . . . I open the window of this forum (West Coast Forum)
and read the sentence like this 'Pac piece of Shit'
The moderators of the forum Dubcnn have to exclude certain people from the forum .. for the love of god .
The guy come in and talk about it here, totally disrespectful .
So .. Mr. Prodigal Son
FUCK YOU ! FUCK YOUR INNOCENT RAPPERS, P.DIDDY,NOTORIOUS BIG,BAD BOY ENTERTENIMENT,FUCK YOUR FAV 2ND RAPPER NAS
FUCK WHAT YOU THINK, FUCK WHAT YOU SAY
MUCH RESPECT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TUPAC SHAKUR, THIS IS A FORUM DEDICATED TO WESTSIDERS LOVERS AND PAC IS OUR SYNBOL,OUR HERO,OUR KING
Next time, WASH YOUR MOUTH TO SPEAK OF PAC
MOVE YOUR ASS TO THE FORUM, EAST COAST NEW YORK 'THE LAND OF RAP'
THERE YOU CAN CRITICIZE TUPAC, AND PRAISE THEIR LITTLE FRIENDS
NOTORIOUS BIG - KILLA AND CRACK DEALER, FAT PIG
P. DIDDY - OR I AM SWAG ??????? HAHA
NAS - SUCK BALLS OF PAC IN THUGZ MANSION
RESPET THA WEST MOTHERFUCKER, YOU FUCK OUTTA HERE FUCKIN FAGGOT,
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. One of the best posts i've read this year.
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Prodigy was a ballerina, not Pac. son just danced 4 digital underground, he wasnt getting his eagle on.
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Wait a minute . . . I open the window of this forum (West Coast Forum)
and read the sentence like this 'Pac piece of Shit'
The moderators of the forum Dubcnn have to exclude certain people from the forum .. for the love of god .
The guy come in and talk about it here, totally disrespectful .
So .. Mr. Prodigal Son
FUCK YOU ! FUCK YOUR INNOCENT RAPPERS, P.DIDDY,NOTORIOUS BIG,BAD BOY ENTERTENIMENT,FUCK YOUR FAV 2ND RAPPER NAS
FUCK WHAT YOU THINK, FUCK WHAT YOU SAY
MUCH RESPECT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TUPAC SHAKUR, THIS IS A FORUM DEDICATED TO WESTSIDERS LOVERS AND PAC IS OUR SYNBOL,OUR HERO,OUR KING
Next time, WASH YOUR MOUTH TO SPEAK OF PAC
MOVE YOUR ASS TO THE FORUM, EAST COAST NEW YORK 'THE LAND OF RAP'
THERE YOU CAN CRITICIZE TUPAC, AND PRAISE THEIR LITTLE FRIENDS
NOTORIOUS BIG - KILLA AND CRACK DEALER, FAT PIG
P. DIDDY - OR I AM SWAG ??????? HAHA
NAS - SUCK BALLS OF PAC IN THUGZ MANSION
RESPET THA WEST MOTHERFUCKER, YOU FUCK OUTTA HERE FUCKIN FAGGOT,
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. One of the best posts i've read this year.
post of the year
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man thats some bullshit statement...i dont even read all your trash talk.....i bet u were one of those people who were screaming the looudest when it comes to pac leaks or repping thug life....u then eventually realized that there is more than woreshipping pac...and know u hating, cause u feel that u missed something in your life or that u blame pac for that....u know ive been around a long time in various forums and people like u always come out once a year and spread that bullshit.
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WESTSIDERS LOVERS STAND UP! THROW YOUR SYNBOLS IN THE AIR!
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WESTSIDERS LOVERS STAND UP! THROW YOUR SYNBOLS IN THE AIR!
LMFAO
where you been trip?
log into da sauce fam
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Prodigy was a ballerina, not Pac. son just danced 4 digital underground, he wasnt getting his eagle on.
pac was a ballerina
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pics or it didnt happen
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Wait a minute . . . I open the window of this forum (West Coast Forum)
and read the sentence like this 'Pac piece of Shit'
The moderators of the forum Dubcnn have to exclude certain people from the forum .. for the love of god .
The guy come in and talk about it here, totally disrespectful .
So .. Mr. Prodigal Son
FUCK YOU ! FUCK YOUR INNOCENT RAPPERS, P.DIDDY,NOTORIOUS BIG,BAD BOY ENTERTENIMENT,FUCK YOUR FAV 2ND RAPPER NAS
FUCK WHAT YOU THINK, FUCK WHAT YOU SAY
MUCH RESPECT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TUPAC SHAKUR, THIS IS A FORUM DEDICATED TO WESTSIDERS LOVERS AND PAC IS OUR SYNBOL,OUR HERO,OUR KING
Next time, WASH YOUR MOUTH TO SPEAK OF PAC
MOVE YOUR ASS TO THE FORUM, EAST COAST NEW YORK 'THE LAND OF RAP'
THERE YOU CAN CRITICIZE TUPAC, AND PRAISE THEIR LITTLE FRIENDS
NOTORIOUS BIG - KILLA AND CRACK DEALER, FAT PIG
P. DIDDY - OR I AM SWAG ??????? HAHA
NAS - SUCK BALLS OF PAC IN THUGZ MANSION
RESPET THA WEST MOTHERFUCKER, YOU FUCK OUTTA HERE FUCKIN FAGGOT,
while I don't agree with the nature of the original post (especially that part about music being motivational :eh:), this thread wins strictly by generating this post above
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in a documentary they have a little clip of him doing ballet and he talks about how much he loves poetry and ballet. i think its that 2pac resurrection shit. i know it hurts to find out that pac was a little loudmouth pussy but its the truth. hes up there doing ballet in thugz heaven now
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yeah pac was a ballerina lmao
its been documented with pics AND vids.
he had the gumby fade
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oh i know wat youre talking about. Pac wasnt a pussy tho, he would start shit and end it. u c biggie and stretch dead (god bless tha dead), u c chino xl never jumped off, u c ppl still hate Puffy. One thing about Pac was is that he would always start shit and then end it. Pac as a loudmouth pussy is a misunderstanding.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgA95WN7tX8
THUG LYFE!!! HATIN ASS MOFOS
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I love how NIK came through & couldn't even dispute a point. Just said, "you're stupid". Learn how to argue, Jew.
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regardless of how u wana cut it, if u yourself disrespected Pac to his face that he would smack tha spit outcha mouth. u know that, ppl know that, thats y ppl JUST started gettin at Suge. thats rare but niggaz waited til Suge got a little rogaine in his mustache before they got sum heart. alotta entertainers are just entertaining but not every nigga is playin puppet just becuz society says u have 2 be a certain way.
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He was a coward and got punked by Chino XL.
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It is what it is. Just because he was basically a phony after he got released from prison doesn't make the entertainment he provided any less entertaining. Y'all should know 90% of the rap game is full of cats fakin' shit to build a persona. It's just funny to see people get riled up and flip the fuck out when someone decided to think outside the box and discuss a viewpoint. This is a discussion board and not just merely a fan site, rite?
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crackaz, niggaz, kikes, squint eyes, and wet backs all figure becuz u made it in hollywood and u were a huge success that somehow you were a shy ass geek youre whole life. last time i checkd nerds ran Microsoft, not rap. even in congress there's mostly jocks. u niggaz been watchin too much Kanye West lately.
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but ''supernatural'' lol, how accurate is that outside of tha box thinking? how real was wat youre getting at? nobody callin Nas a pussy and Pac sonned him in front of his whole hood in his front yard.
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but ''supernatural'' lol, how accurate is that outside of tha box thinking? how real was wat youre getting at? nobody callin Nas a pussy and Pac sonned him in front of his whole hood in his front yard.
I never called Pac a pussy either so where are you getting at?
In terms of accuracy, I think Prodigal Son made some interesting points. It's not about me necessarily agreeing with them or not, I'm simply acknowledging them as valid. Whether or not it was intentional, Pac did put a lot of lives in danger with his east coast/west coast war. A lot of kids growing up were becoming hateful towards an entire coast and its people whom they probably never even met. The aftermath of that shit lasted years after both Biggie and 2pac were murdered.
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The real issue wasn't the fact that it was a direct set up linked to Puffy & Biggie because it wasn't. It was due to the fact that Puffy & Biggie knew something fishy was going to happen, and didn't act upon it to help their friend/associate out. Biggie did try to briefly mention to 2Pac before the shooting who not to hang around with in New York, but never did he mention "why", or suspicions he may have had... It was cowardly on Puffy & Biggies part, but I guess they were smart enough not to get involved or risk their lives for someone who simply attracted trouble anywhere he went. It was pretty much above their heads to stop anything... 2Pac had a right to be mad, but not a right to go as far as he did.. Bad Boy wanted to make music, make money, and entertain. Not everyone in Rap music wants to be a kamikaze artist on a suicide mission to save the world, nor do they have to live a live constantly on the wrong side of the law to be worthy of making music, and releasing albums
2Pac's positives outweighed his negatives, such as his fund-raisers, charity work, enormous hospitality, east/west projects, love for his people and the poor, but his dissing went too far, and resulted in a lot being dissed undeserving like Jay Z, or Nas. Intelligent, but incredibly stupid at times, and wasted too much energy on trying to play a gang banger in his last year, and paid the price for it. You got to remember he just turned 25, and spent almost a year out in jail. He wasn't really mature
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I can't believe there are people on this forum who weren't ever aware that Pac did ballet let alone seen Tupac Resurrection lol
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The thing is, Bad Boy was a bunch of homos. Mase got busted with a Tranny and had to leave town. Everybody knows about Puff. And then we find out that Biggie's best friend was gay:
http://bossip.com/365936/did-you-know-biggies-best-friend-was-gay30346/
Kinda makes you look at "Bad Boy" a little different.
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All I know is that Pac shot 2 on duty police officers who were harrassing an innocent dude. I don't give a fuck if the dude was a ballerina, that's gangsta.
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All I know is that Pac shot 2 on duty police officers who were harrassing an innocent dude. I don't give a fuck if the dude was a ballerina, that's gangsta.
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By all accounts biggie was a horrible father who wasn't around his kids anyways. so for all the people talking about some kids with no father thanks to tupac fuck that shit they were already living it.
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Wait a minute . . . I open the window of this forum (West Coast Forum)
and read the sentence like this 'Pac piece of Shit'
The moderators of the forum Dubcnn have to exclude certain people from the forum .. for the love of god .
The guy come in and talk about it here, totally disrespectful .
So .. Mr. Prodigal Son
FUCK YOU ! FUCK YOUR INNOCENT RAPPERS, P.DIDDY,NOTORIOUS BIG,BAD youBOY ENTERTENIMENT,FUCK YOUR FAV 2ND RAPPER NAS
FUCK WHAT YOU THINK, FUCK WHAT YOU SAY
MUCH RESPECT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TUPAC SHAKUR, THIS IS A FORUM DEDICATED TO WESTSIDERS LOVERS AND PAC IS OUR SYNBOL,OUR HERO,OUR KING
Next time, WASH YOUR MOUTH TO SPEAK OF PAC
MOVE YOUR ASS TO THE FORUM, EAST COAST NEW YORK 'THE LAND OF RAP'
THERE YOU CAN CRITICIZE TUPAC, AND PRAISE THEIR LITTLE FRIENDS
NOTORIOUS BIG - KILLA AND CRACK DEALER, FAT PIG
P. DIDDY - OR I AM SWAG ??????? HAHA
NAS - SUCK BALLS OF PAC IN THUGZ MANSION
RESPET THA WEST MOTHERFUCKER, YOU FUCK OUTTA HERE FUCKIN FAGGOT,
You sound mad lmfao. Let's get one thing straight, I'm from Queens NY and if your scrawny, clog wearing, european ass ever spoke to me like that in person I would take your wooden clog off and beat your skull in.
Who am I kidding I would laugh my fucking ass off at your broken english and how emotional you are over a rapper. Then I would mock you till you cried. This dude really said Pac was his king and hero LMFAO your pathetic lmfao. You would suck Pac off if you could lmfao ahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahah omg for real that was the funniest in dubcc history
haha dudes fucking brazilian... he needs to fuck off back to samba class.
I Dance samba PON YOUR PUSSY MAMA
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if any of us died at 25 we'd have accomplished NOTHING in life
Pac? 6 movies, 6 records (including Thuglife)
So he made music and starred in movies, while most of us were more accomplished at actual life skills. Hell, 5 year old kids can make movies and sing on records. Putting out albums doesn't make him a better person than me.
well what i'm saying is Pac accomplished a lot more plus lived thru a much harder life than we had to live (homelessness as an example)
1) How do you know what I've lived through or how hard my life has been? You don't know shit about me. What I do know is that many people including me have suffered through hardships in childhood and still went on to be decent people capable of getting along with others and behaving according to social standards.
2) His albums or movie roles aren't an assessment of where he was in life. That was the career he chose, it doesn't make him better than those of us who work regular jobs. It just makes him more famous, and if anything shows how lucky he was to be given that opportunity. You've got a fucked up perspective on life if you think having a movie or music career makes you a better person.
Pac spoke some intelligent shit in his interviews and sometimes in his music but he never applied this knowledge to his actual life. His life was one fuck up after another, all situations which the average person is capable of avoiding. He knew he should be acting better, but he didn't. That to me is the worst crime. You can't blame ignorance for this one.
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This fool will continue to talk about Pac . . .
Because we do not speak of what Dexter Isaac took responsibility??
Bad Boy Cowards! haha
This nigga Puff Daddy is the TRUE PIECE OF SHIT, YOU ARE NOTHING
Like the Album 'We Invented the Remix'
no 'We Invented The Anal Sex With Mens'
Prodigal son is from queens ?
Why do not you go to the forum Queensbridge Ass Hole?
There you can talk about their heroes
50 Cent Steroid Man and Puppet of Eminem and Dr Dre
Prodigy and Havoc ... these guys are alive?
Nas the Milk Shake Boy ...
Ja Rule :'( ahahhaaha
CNN ( this to me is TV channel )
and the people He was a coward and got punked by Chino XL.
Chino XL???????????????????????
This is not the piece of shit. This is the whole shit
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What?
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The thing is, Bad Boy was a bunch of homos. Mase got busted with a Tranny and had to leave town. Everybody knows about Puff. And then we find out that Biggie's best friend was gay:
http://bossip.com/365936/did-you-know-biggies-best-friend-was-gay30346/
Kinda makes you look at "Bad Boy" a little different.
good .
Biggie... Faith Evans detonated his ass with a dildo.
This was sex in marriage to Biggie
Not to mention the fucking he had with Lil Cease or Puff
Some people say he was in love with Jay-Z, but Jay was interested in Beyonce
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This fool will continue to talk about Pac . . .
Because we do not speak of what Dexter Isaac took responsibility??
Bad Boy Cowards! haha
This nigga Puff Daddy is the TRUE PIECE OF SHIT, YOU ARE NOTHING
Like the Album 'We Invented the Remix'
no 'We Invented The Anal Sex With Mens'
Prodigal son is from queens ?
Why do not you go to the forum Queensbridge Ass Hole?
There you can talk about their heroes
50 Cent Steroid Man and Puppet of Eminem and Dr Dre
Prodigy and Havoc ... these guys are alive?
Nas the Milk Shake Boy ...
Ja Rule :'( ahahhaaha
CNN ( this to me is TV channel )
and the people He was a coward and got punked by Chino XL.
Chino XL???????????????????????
This is not the piece of shit. This is the whole shit
ferhat is that you?
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oh my god...someone put this wigger out of his misery.
gotta be ferhat
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Blah Blah Blah...... didnt we talk about this shit already? How many fucking times are we going to go over the same shit.
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the kid with pac all over his sig hates hearing anything said about his hero :D
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the kid with pac all over his sig hates hearing anything said about his hero :D
LOL
felipebtu, you are king and synbol to westcoast lovers like pac. i respect you. i detonate dildo and anyone's ass who talk shit to you.
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the kid with pac all over his sig hates hearing anything said about his hero :D
You talking about me? First of all, I change my shit every so often with some of my favorite artist and post new songs. It just so happens that I have Pac this time. Regardless, the fact is that this topic has been discussed about a million times. Everyone knows that half of the motherfuckers like Pac and the other half don't. Same shit over and over. You should know since you live in this forum. You have over 5000 post and I bet you registered like 1 year ago ha. I understand this shit is full of trolls and attention whores but this shit is really getting old. Motherfuckers need to start acting their age and get over it. Don't you guys have anything better to do?
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the kid with pac all over his sig hates hearing anything said about his hero :D
You talking about me? First of all, I change my shit every so often with some of my favorite artist and post new songs. It just so happens that I have Pac this time. Regardless, the fact is that this topic has been discussed about a million times. Everyone knows that half of the motherfuckers like Pac and the other half don't. Same shit over and over. You should know since you live in this forum. You have over 5000 post and I bet you registered like 1 year ago ha. I understand this shit is full of trolls and attention whores but this shit is really getting old. Motherfuckers need to start acting their age and get over it. Don't you guys have anything better to do?
If you didn't want to talk about it you would just ignore the thread. But no, you're butthurt to the max so you try to silence others who want to discuss it.
Out of all the lameass threads made over and over in the west coast section this is the one you choose to criticize? I haven't even seen a thread discussing Pac's fuckass personality before so its news to me that this has been discussed a million times. This is a more original topic than any other Pac topic that's been made in a minute. Let me guess, you'd rather be discussing Detox ::) fuck outta here with your stannery
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the kid with pac all over his sig hates hearing anything said about his hero :D
You talking about me? First of all, I change my shit every so often with some of my favorite artist and post new songs. It just so happens that I have Pac this time. Regardless, the fact is that this topic has been discussed about a million times. Everyone knows that half of the motherfuckers like Pac and the other half don't. Same shit over and over. You should know since you live in this forum. You have over 5000 post and I bet you registered like 1 year ago ha. I understand this shit is full of trolls and attention whores but this shit is really getting old. Motherfuckers need to start acting their age and get over it. Don't you guys have anything better to do?
If you didn't want to talk about it you would just ignore the thread. But no, you're butthurt to the max so you try to silence others who want to discuss it.
Out of all the lameass threads made over and over in the west coast section this is the one you choose to criticize? I haven't even seen a thread discussing Pac's fuckass personality before so its news to me that this has been discussed a million times. This is a more original topic than any other Pac topic that's been made in a minute. Let me guess, you'd rather be discussing Detox ::) fuck outta here with your stannery
watz with all tha bullshit u've been on lately? first u try 2 go on Nicki Minaj like i or anybody is supposed to care wat u think and then you try 2 say "oh well u wrote a paragraph to me" when in real life i write paragraphs everytime i write or respond to anything. now you're talkin about 2Pac trying to de-legitimize him like he's some phony becuz the nigga was multi-talented and he could talk all that shit but got hit up for it like somehow that's supposed to be fake or something becuz the nigga spoke his mind and was a victim.
i honestly think you're bitter about something that happened in your life recently becuz i'm not following where all of this animosity and hostility is coming from with you becuz the shit you're saying isn't "real talk" lol. And honestly dogg, in real life, i dont care what YOU think but i do find it amusing how you've been on this hoe shit lately, u have 2 remember that i dont even know u at tha end of tha day. but i thought u were 1 of the legitimate niggaz on here but this past week you've been actin' like somebody shot and killed your best friend.
i'm sittin here like why is this nigga tryna talk about the people's champ like somehow we're supposed to feel some sorta way about tha true side of tha lie or in other words a nigga who was misguided and mislead on what was real and what was fake. honestly if any of this wasn't important to u in any way you would've just left it alone, like I do and others do when u get to tha point where u realize tha shit is a circular argument and you're not going anywhere with it.
at tha end of tha day Pac was that nigga and no matter how u wanna try 2 cut it in 2011 the nigga is still 1 of the realest and best to ever do it and not just in Rap music. i love you so called "internet realest" who act like they've been in countless detrimental situations and have seen tha other side already when in reality you're probably just a victim of your own personality (you lack confidence, experience, and you aren't anywhere close to tha world u think or wanna be in). niggaz like u think 1 tragedy in your lifetime makes u "real" or certifies you when in reality you just got hit up.
as long as this Earth turns Pac will never be shitted on and it takes a real nigga/real individual to know where Pac was coming from and a wise man to understand what Pac was doing (on all levels). u probably still dont get it where he was like "u cant c me", u probably just think it was a "Helter Skelter" & Dogg Pound remake smh. Pac talked about what he was living and going thru at tha moment and honestly if tha nigga really wanted Biggie and ALL of them dead like that in tha 1st place I'm pretty sure he could've done it without a problem, honestly it's not that hard to touch celebrities and public figures like that. I cant tell u how many times i could've ran up on Representative Sheila Dixon and got her. I see her out in public at times and her office BUILDING literally has no security or metal detectors, if I really wanted to hit up Sheila Dixon right now I could [believe me when i tell u that's not a dream or a fantasy]. So what makes u think Pac wasn't showing tha world that he had "The King of New York" by tha balls and all his manz and everybody in that circle. - he and I could Gabriel Gifford alot of these niggaz everyday
some of u niggaz dont know how to separate Reality from art and fiction.
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the kid with pac all over his sig hates hearing anything said about his hero :D
You talking about me? First of all, I change my shit every so often with some of my favorite artist and post new songs. It just so happens that I have Pac this time. Regardless, the fact is that this topic has been discussed about a million times. Everyone knows that half of the motherfuckers like Pac and the other half don't. Same shit over and over. You should know since you live in this forum. You have over 5000 post and I bet you registered like 1 year ago ha. I understand this shit is full of trolls and attention whores but this shit is really getting old. Motherfuckers need to start acting their age and get over it. Don't you guys have anything better to do?
If you didn't want to talk about it you would just ignore the thread. But no, you're butthurt to the max so you try to silence others who want to discuss it.
Out of all the lameass threads made over and over in the west coast section this is the one you choose to criticize? I haven't even seen a thread discussing Pac's fuckass personality before so its news to me that this has been discussed a million times. This is a more original topic than any other Pac topic that's been made in a minute. Let me guess, you'd rather be discussing Detox ::) fuck outta here with your stannery
Well its hard to argue since you camp out in this forum but maybe you are right and its a "NEW" topic haha. NO!! Its not, its the same old shit. As a matter of fact, I could have said this in the past but after you see this shit over and over, I just decided to write something real quick. Why didn't you ignore me? Its obvious YOU are the one that got hurt. You always say the same shit, which makes sense since you like to reply to the same threads all the time. You think everyone is hurt but you are the clown that's always whining and bitching at someone, dealing out your L's haha. You can always count on the Spice Girl to say something. I diagnosed you with Bipolar Disorder a while back so I understand why you come up with random, contradictory shit but damn homie, It's hard to give you a pass when you're 25-26 years old. Your jokes are lame dawg. Act your age homie and move on. Why don't you provide something positive to this forum since you spend most of the day here. You come here acting hard with you're lame jokes, but I bet you're a bitch in person. You have to be the biggest attention whore in this forum. Top 3 at least. You surely have the crown. Get the fuck out of here, saying I'm a stan? We all know you would suck Spice 1 balls if you had the chance. You think I haven't read your post's defending him? You act like he's your man. Take your own advice and in the meantime get of my dick as well you fucking troll.
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This fool will continue to talk about Pac . . .
Because we do not speak of what Dexter Isaac took responsibility??
Bad Boy Cowards! haha
This nigga Puff Daddy is the TRUE PIECE OF SHIT, YOU ARE NOTHING
Like the Album 'We Invented the Remix'
no 'We Invented The Anal Sex With Mens'
Prodigal son is from queens ?
Why do not you go to the forum Queensbridge Ass Hole?
There you can talk about their heroes
50 Cent Steroid Man and Puppet of Eminem and Dr Dre
Prodigy and Havoc ... these guys are alive?
Nas the Milk Shake Boy ...
Ja Rule :'( ahahhaaha
CNN ( this to me is TV channel )
and the people He was a coward and got punked by Chino XL.
Chino XL???????????????????????
This is not the piece of shit. This is the whole shit
Biggie... Faith Evans detonated his ass with a dildo.
This was sex in marriage to Biggie
Not to mention the fucking he had with Lil Cease or Puff
Some people say he was in love with Jay-Z, but Jay was interested in Beyonce
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Tell these trick ass busters what's real.
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Well its hard to argue since you camp out in this forum but maybe you are right and its a "NEW" topic haha. NO!! Its not, its the same old shit. As a matter of fact, I could have said this in the past but after you see this shit over and over, I just decided to write something real quick. Why didn't you ignore me? Its obvious YOU are the one that got hurt. You always say the same shit, which makes sense since you like to reply to the same threads all the time. You think everyone is hurt but you are the clown that's always whining and bitching at someone, dealing out your L's haha. You can always count on the Spice Girl to say something. I diagnosed you with Bipolar Disorder a while back so I understand why you come up with random, contradictory shit but damn homie, It's hard to give you a pass when you're 25-26 years old. Your jokes are lame dawg. Act your age homie and move on. Why don't you provide something positive to this forum since you spend most of the day here. You come here acting hard with you're lame jokes, but I bet you're a bitch in person. You have to be the biggest attention whore in this forum. Top 3 at least. You surely have the crown. Get the fuck out of here, saying I'm a stan? We all know you would suck Spice 1 balls if you had the chance. You think I haven't read your post's defending him? You act like he's your man. Take your own advice and in the meantime get of my dick as well you fucking troll.
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Hey RadioTube do us a favour and take that fucking disgusting pic of your sig man :rubeyes: :puke:
Guys face all ripped to bits you moron smh :grumpy:
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the kid with pac all over his sig hates hearing anything said about his hero :D
You talking about me? First of all, I change my shit every so often with some of my favorite artist and post new songs. It just so happens that I have Pac this time. Regardless, the fact is that this topic has been discussed about a million times. Everyone knows that half of the motherfuckers like Pac and the other half don't. Same shit over and over. You should know since you live in this forum. You have over 5000 post and I bet you registered like 1 year ago ha. I understand this shit is full of trolls and attention whores but this shit is really getting old. Motherfuckers need to start acting their age and get over it. Don't you guys have anything better to do?
If you didn't want to talk about it you would just ignore the thread. But no, you're butthurt to the max so you try to silence others who want to discuss it.
Out of all the lameass threads made over and over in the west coast section this is the one you choose to criticize? I haven't even seen a thread discussing Pac's fuckass personality before so its news to me that this has been discussed a million times. This is a more original topic than any other Pac topic that's been made in a minute. Let me guess, you'd rather be discussing Detox ::) fuck outta here with your stannery
Well its hard to argue since you camp out in this forum but maybe you are right and its a "NEW" topic haha. NO!! Its not, its the same old shit. As a matter of fact, I could have said this in the past but after you see this shit over and over, I just decided to write something real quick. Why didn't you ignore me? Its obvious YOU are the one that got hurt. You always say the same shit, which makes sense since you like to reply to the same threads all the time. You think everyone is hurt but you are the clown that's always whining and bitching at someone, dealing out your L's haha. You can always count on the Spice Girl to say something. I diagnosed you with Bipolar Disorder a while back so I understand why you come up with random, contradictory shit but damn homie, It's hard to give you a pass when you're 25-26 years old. Your jokes are lame dawg. Act your age homie and move on. Why don't you provide something positive to this forum since you spend most of the day here. You come here acting hard with you're lame jokes, but I bet you're a bitch in person. You have to be the biggest attention whore in this forum. Top 3 at least. You surely have the crown. Get the fuck out of here, saying I'm a stan? We all know you would suck Spice 1 balls if you had the chance. You think I haven't read your post's defending him? You act like he's your man. Take your own advice and in the meantime get of my dick as well you fucking troll.
Out of all the threads on dubcc, this is the only one you want people to stop talking about. Groupie exposed.
If this is the same old shit then show us when this topic has been made before. Oh wait, you can't. Because your groupie card has been pulled.
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Wait a minute . . . I open the window of this forum (West Coast Forum)
and read the sentence like this 'Pac piece of Shit'
The moderators of the forum Dubcnn have to exclude certain people from the forum .. for the love of god .
The guy come in and talk about it here, totally disrespectful .
So .. Mr. Prodigal Son
FUCK YOU ! FUCK YOUR INNOCENT RAPPERS, P.DIDDY,NOTORIOUS BIG,BAD youBOY ENTERTENIMENT,FUCK YOUR FAV 2ND RAPPER NAS
FUCK WHAT YOU THINK, FUCK WHAT YOU SAY
MUCH RESPECT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TUPAC SHAKUR, THIS IS A FORUM DEDICATED TO WESTSIDERS LOVERS AND PAC IS OUR SYNBOL,OUR HERO,OUR KING
Next time, WASH YOUR MOUTH TO SPEAK OF PAC
MOVE YOUR ASS TO THE FORUM, EAST COAST NEW YORK 'THE LAND OF RAP'
THERE YOU CAN CRITICIZE TUPAC, AND PRAISE THEIR LITTLE FRIENDS
NOTORIOUS BIG - KILLA AND CRACK DEALER, FAT PIG
P. DIDDY - OR I AM SWAG ??????? HAHA
NAS - SUCK BALLS OF PAC IN THUGZ MANSION
RESPET THA WEST MOTHERFUCKER, YOU FUCK OUTTA HERE FUCKIN FAGGOT,
You sound mad lmfao. Let's get one thing straight, I'm from Queens NY and if your scrawny, clog wearing, european ass ever spoke to me like that in person I would take your wooden clog off and beat your skull in.
Who am I kidding I would laugh my fucking ass off at your broken english and how emotional you are over a rapper. Then I would mock you till you cried. This dude really said Pac was his king and hero LMFAO your pathetic lmfao. You would suck Pac off if you could lmfao ahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahah omg for real that was the funniest in dubcc history
haha dudes fucking brazilian... he needs to fuck off back to samba class.
I Dance samba PON YOUR PUSSY MAMA
your attempts with broken english are retarded, but i suppose thats what you get for learning the language on the orange stall in the market..
take your maracas and head but to rumba class,
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"head but to rumba class"
;D
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Bad Boy Cowards! haha
This nigga Puff Daddy is the TRUE PIECE OF SHIT, YOU ARE NOTHING
Like the Album 'We Invented the Remix'
no 'We Invented The Anal Sex With Mens'6
HHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh snap!!!
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Hoe meny time Pac rhyme enemies/heneesy ;D ;D hahahahaha
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All I know is that Pac shot 2 on duty police officers who were harrassing an innocent dude. I don't give a fuck if the dude was a ballerina, that's gangsta.
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Tom, u are such a dumb piece of shit, and I really hope u realize this. I'm not even gunna comment on ur dumbass thread, I just wanted to let u know, once again, what a dumb hick faggot u truly are. I'm not even a big 2Pac fan (I do like his shit, just not as much as most peeps here), so I aint just sayin it groupiestyle....straight up, u just really are one stupid mutherfucker.
I don't even talk shit about you anymore or even talk to me, you love my style, get off my dick you nutridding pussycunt
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I know everyone is goin say I'm trolling but I'm not. Some times the harsh truth is too much for soft bitches to deal with so they throw petty insults to hide their hurt feelings. I have no problem calling out rappers, my track record proves it. I had vendetta against Snoop years ago and now look at him, his last album went double driftwood but thats besides the point. My original point has to do with 2pac.
Now growing up 2pac was my favorite rapper behind Nas but the older I got the more I realized what a piece of shit 2pac truly was. Don't give me that bullshit his music was uplifting or whatever lame excuse you will throw at me. His music was entertainment and if you need music to motivate you, you have some serious deep seeded issues. 2pac was a greedy piece of shit. Those close to Pac have all confirmed he knew Big and Puff had nothing to do with his first shooting. But Pac couldn't separate real life and entertainment. In order to sell more records he took a very serious real life situation and threw two innocent men into the middle of it because he wanted to make a fucking buck. Because of his actions not only did two more black mothers have to bury their children, two young black children will grow up without a father, an issue that has plagued the African American community. 2pac is the reason two young children have no Dad and are just another statistic. He lost his own life which he clearly did not value and took an innocent man with him. I know my homie Infinite feels me on the fatherless black children comment Yet so many continue to worship this piece of shit. It's disgusting and needs to stop now. It's one thing to keep things on an entertainment tip, it is what it is. But this greedy piece of shit destroyed countless lives and for what ? A fucking buck, disgusting.
it goes like this, "how da fuck the king of newyork dont know what goes on in his own town."
thats fucking true, big and puff knew wassap.
Do you realize the absurdity of this statement ? So Big is supposed to know what everyone in a city of 12 million is doing? You do know it was the Source that first called him the KONY and not Big himself ? And do you know it had to do with him being the king of NY's rap scene and not the streets. C'mom Loon, I thought Asians were supposed to be smart
Do you realize the absurdity of that line ? So Biggie is supposed to know what everyone is doing in a city of 12 million ? Do you realize Big didn't come up with the KONY thing, it was the Source that first called him that. You do
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Hoe meny time Pac rhyme enemies/heneesy ;D ;D hahahahaha
Biggie did not want to be rapper . . .
His dream was to be a fashion designer
Because how many times in his raps you hear the word VERSACE?
and you know that all fashion designers are queers
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Biggie also wanted to form a group .. Versace Boys
line up (Biggie, PUFF, GEORGE MICHAEL, BOY GEORGE AND ELTON JOHN)
Source: Rolling Stone Magazine MAY/1996
HUAHUAUHAUHAUHUHA
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Prodigy was a ballerina, not Pac. son just danced 4 digital underground, he wasnt getting his eagle on.
Actually pac was a ballerina he admitted it and look online and you'll see pics of him. On the real I actually give Pac props for not denying it. As for P, the summerjam pic was of him as an 8 yeard old dressed up like Michael Jackson. You failed again
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2pac was the shit.end of story. ;D
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man thats some bullshit statement...i dont even read all your trash talk.....i bet u were one of those people who were screaming the looudest when it comes to pac leaks or repping thug life....u then eventually realized that there is more than woreshipping pac...and know u hating, cause u feel that u missed something in your life or that u blame pac for that....u know ive been around a long time in various forums and people like u always come out once a year and spread that bullshit.
What the fuck are you rambling about. Pac stans so discombobulated by my statement that they can't make of form coherent rebuttals.
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Topic Closed! Biggie was the Whole SHIT. And everything that was around him too era.THE SHIT
enough of bad boys, no more homos
a great respect for NY, BUT no more queens, brooklyn, harlem, nas, mobb deep, diplomats, big pun and NY rappers.
This is a WEST COST 'FORUM!
Let's talk about 1st GENERATION, FOLLOW ME HOME, 2PAC, BLOODS AND CRIPS, TERRENCE MARTIN BEACH CRUISER, JULIO G
Anything related to West Coast!
Wessssssssssst side !!!!!!! And U Do Know That!
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Felipebtu you do realise your westcoast king 2pac was New York born and raised right.
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Topic Closed! Biggie was the Whole SHIT. And everything that was around him too era.THE SHIT
enough of bad boys, no more homos
a great respect for NY, BUT no more queens, brooklyn, harlem, nas, mobb deep, diplomats, big pun and NY rappers.
This is a WEST COST 'FORUM!
Let's talk about 1st GENERATION, FOLLOW ME HOME, 2PAC, BLOODS AND CRIPS, TERRENCE MARTIN BEACH CRUISER, JULIO G
Anything related to West Coast!
Wessssssssssst side !!!!!!! And U Do Know That!
STFU. You're making a fool out of yourself.
LOL @ WEST COST FORUM
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Felipe you do know 2pac liked to cross-dress and was a closet homo
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Felipe you do know 2pac liked to cross-dress and was a closet homo
HUAHUAHUUHAHUAUH
This influence is of Suge. Everyone makes mistakes. HAHAHA
That was bad Pac .. really bad choice of clothe
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Felipebtu is hands down the funniest poster on this site even if he did PM me asking for dicks pics
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lol at you all acting like you knew Pac. Saying that he was a piece of shit as a person, that he did this and that all for personal gain. You got it all figured out huh?
Yeah, didn't you know? Tom has been watching the world go round on his mom's television set for years now. He's been on the couch flipping channels, and arguing over the internet forums and he's elevated himself to the point where he can break down Pac's life and basically prove beyond a doubt that Pac was in fact a piece of shit. I mean, I never realized it before about Pac, but Tom has certainly exposed me to a lot of things. I even used to think of myself as a good person, but Tom made me realize what a piece of shit I am.
So now I am trying my hardest to be an honorable man like Tom.
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lol at you all acting like you knew Pac. Saying that he was a piece of shit as a person, that he did this and that all for personal gain. You got it all figured out huh?
Yeah, didn't you know? Tom has been watching the world go round on his mom's television set for years now. He's been on the couch flipping channels, and arguing over the internet forums and he's elevated himself to the point where he can break down Pac's life and basically prove beyond a doubt that Pac was in fact a piece of shit. I mean, I never realized it before about Pac, but Tom has certainly exposed me to a lot of things. I even used to think of myself as a good person, but Tom made me realize what a piece of shit I am.
So now I am trying my hardest to be an honorable man like Tom.
Really Brian ? I live alone and everything I have I bought myself. But next time you're in NYC I'll let ya stop by. I'm in Glendale Queens. I don't have to rely on my parents like you do every time you fail...which is quite often. You know what's funny, all my personal attacks and you don't say much. I. Attack your hero and you try your hardest to get personal. You pac dickriding is sick and disgusting. And where did I break down Pac's life. I pointed out his greedy actions caused an innocent man to die causing two children to grow up fatherless
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lol at you all acting like you knew Pac. Saying that he was a piece of shit as a person, that he did this and that all for personal gain. You got it all figured out huh?
Yeah, didn't you know? Tom has been watching the world go round on his mom's television set for years now. He's been on the couch flipping channels, and arguing over the internet forums and he's elevated himself to the point where he can break down Pac's life and basically prove beyond a doubt that Pac was in fact a piece of shit. I mean, I never realized it before about Pac, but Tom has certainly exposed me to a lot of things. I even used to think of myself as a good person, but Tom made me realize what a piece of shit I am.
So now I am trying my hardest to be an honorable man like Tom.
Really Brian ? I live alone and everything I have I bought myself. But next time you're in NYC I'll let ya stop by. I'm in Glendale Queens. I don't have to rely on my parents like you do every time you fail...which is quite often. You know what's funny, all my personal attacks and you don't say much. I. Attack your hero and you try your hardest to get personal. You pac dickriding is sick and disgusting. And where did I break down Pac's life. I pointed out his greedy actions caused an innocent man to die causing two children to grow up fatherless
Your so transparent. It all boils down to you having no self-esteem. You think trying to tear down others can lower them to your level and make you feel better about yourself. That's what's obvious about you. You probably have one of those family's where you guys sit in front of the TV and bitch all day about the world and talk shit on everybody about how everyone is full of shit and can't do anything right, and so on...
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Felipebtu you do realise your westcoast king 2pac was New York born and raised right.
I know he is from NY . . . But this does not mean anything, Pac was identified with California THE BAY, Marin City, LA.
The fact he was born in New York is even better. . it shows his personality, he loved Los Angeles and had a huge respect for New York.
Pac did not fight with New York,Tupac fight with the clowns who say 'represented' New York.
Look and see if Pac has fights with Big Daddy Kane, Chuck D, Slick Rick, Busta, De La Soul, Q-Tip, Fat Joe, KRS-ONE, Primo, Guru, Pete Rock, Big L, Big Pun, Run DMC , AZ
THESE REALLY REPRESENT NEW YORK
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lol at you all acting like you knew Pac. Saying that he was a piece of shit as a person, that he did this and that all for personal gain. You got it all figured out huh?
Yeah, didn't you know? Tom has been watching the world go round on his mom's television set for years now. He's been on the couch flipping channels, and arguing over the internet forums and he's elevated himself to the point where he can break down Pac's life and basically prove beyond a doubt that Pac was in fact a piece of shit. I mean, I never realized it before about Pac, but Tom has certainly exposed me to a lot of things. I even used to think of myself as a good person, but Tom made me realize what a piece of shit I am.
So now I am trying my hardest to be an honorable man like Tom.
Really Brian ? I live alone and everything I have I bought myself. But next time you're in NYC I'll let ya stop by. I'm in Glendale Queens. I don't have to rely on my parents like you do every time you fail...which is quite often. You know what's funny, all my personal attacks and you don't say much. I. Attack your hero and you try your hardest to get personal. You pac dickriding is sick and disgusting. And where did I break down Pac's life. I pointed out his greedy actions caused an innocent man to die causing two children to grow up fatherless
Your so transparent. It all boils down to you having no self-esteem. You think trying to tear down others can lower them to your level and make you feel better about yourself. That's what's obvious about you. You probably have one of those family's where you guys sit in front of the TV and bitch all day about the world and talk shit on everybody about how everyone is full of shit and can't do anything right, and so on...
Yea Brian, I'm the transparent one, not you with the identity issues. Not you, that cries about people judging you yet you're just as judgemental as the same people you hate. Not you, the person so self absorbed that no matter how many times we have legit told you our beef with you, you still think its over some petty shit. Yea Brian, I'm the transparent one. And again Brain, I haven't lived at home in a couple of years and for the record I watch very little TV. Basically just the Mets and the office. Yea for someone you say is so transparent you couldn't be more off. And about the self esteem issue, besides you who have I tried to tear down ?
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I pointed out his greedy actions caused an innocent man to die causing two children to grow up fatherless
Ignorance across the board caused any life to be lost. 2Pac didn't squeeze that trigger.
You say you used to ride for Pac now you preach that he was a negative figure in society - I guess your focus shifted.
Music fans can celebrate Pacs output without focussing on any personal negative side, just like people worldwide still enjoying Thriller without confusing the troubled side of Michael Jacksons life and his music.
Going hell bent to 'wake people up' on the reals of Pacs life is kinda weird though (you were the dude who was banned before right?), it's kinda obvious but it's cool if you only just realised it.
And if that's how you choose to spend your spare time who am I to judge :cheers:
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I pointed out his greedy actions caused an innocent man to die causing two children to grow up fatherless
Ignorance across the board caused any life to be lost. 2Pac didn't squeeze that trigger.
You say you used to ride for Pac now you preach that he was a negative figure in society - I guess your focus shifted.
Music fans can celebrate Pacs output without focussing on any personal negative side, just like people worldwide still enjoying Thriller without confusing the troubled side of Michael Jacksons life and his music.
Going hell bent to 'wake people up' on the reals of Pacs life is kinda weird though (you were the dude who was banned before right?), it's kinda obvious but it's cool if you only just realised it.
And if that's how you choose to spend your spare time who am I to judge :cheers:
Ride for Pac...lmfao are you serious ? I don't ride for any rapper never have never will. I'm a fan of music and that's that. Keep that homo groupie shit to yourself. And for the record I still listen to his music. MATW is still one of my favorite albums of all time. AEOM is still in my top 10-15. Unlike the groupies I can seperate the man and his music and I realize how his actions destroyed families and set the rap game back God knows how many years. And for thee record I'm not doing this in my spare time. I'm doing this at work so you got that wrong as well.
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Felipebtu is hands down the funniest poster on this site even if he did PM me asking for dicks pics
arh you suprised when our salsa loving friend felipe has this poster on his wall :camp:
(http://www.harraway.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/pacbath.jpg)
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Yea Brian, I'm the transparent one, not you with the identity issues. Not you, that cries about people judging you yet you're just as judgemental as the same people you hate. Not you, the person so self absorbed that no matter how many times we have legit told you our beef with you, you still think its over some petty shit. Yea Brian, I'm the transparent one. And again Brain, I haven't lived at home in a couple of years and for the record I watch very little TV. Basically just the Mets and the office. Yea for someone you say is so transparent you couldn't be more off. And about the self esteem issue, besides you who have I tried to tear down ?
Maybe you do live alone now, I'll take your word for it. So be it, so maybe you sit on your own couch and can watch porn all day now without worrying about your mom coming in the room. Congratulations.
Point is I know your type. Basically your on some Roseanne Bar shit. Sit around and bitch all day, talk shit on people, you got it all figured out and everyone else is a fucking idiot who can't do shit right. And if we were only wise-asses like you, that's how you go on, with never have a positive word to say.
But let me ask you, what is Tom about? Who is Tom? The only way you ever put yourself out there is through tearing down other people. But that all accounts for zero in reality.
Pac gave his life to be the greatest rapper ever. And you think 5 minutes of your bitching can bring him down to your level?
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Yea Brian, I'm the transparent one, not you with the identity issues. Not you, that cries about people judging you yet you're just as judgemental as the same people you hate. Not you, the person so self absorbed that no matter how many times we have legit told you our beef with you, you still think its over some petty shit. Yea Brian, I'm the transparent one. And again Brain, I haven't lived at home in a couple of years and for the record I watch very little TV. Basically just the Mets and the office. Yea for someone you say is so transparent you couldn't be more off. And about the self esteem issue, besides you who have I tried to tear down ?
Maybe you do live alone now, I'll take your word for it. So be it, so maybe you sit on your own couch and can watch porn all day now without worrying about your mom coming in the room. Congratulations.
Point is I know your type. Basically your on some Roseanne Bar shit. Sit around and bitch all day, talk shit on people, you got it all figured out and everyone else is a fucking idiot who can't do shit right. And if we were only wise-asses like you, that's how you go on, with never have a positive word to say.
But let me ask you, what is Tom about? Who is Tom? The only way you ever put yourself out there is through tearing down other people. But that all accounts for zero in reality.
Pac gave his life to be the greatest rapper ever. And you think 5 minutes of your bitching can bring him down to your level?
Actually Brian I don't watch much porn either, you would be proud of me. I have a GF and I prefer her touch to masturbation. And Brain you wanna know who Tom is ? Tom is someone that has been through the storm and back and instead of blaming everyone else he grew up and accepted responsibility for his life and made positive changes. Tom is someone that doesn't have it figured out but he knows that but he still puts himself out there trying to figure it out. And Tom may be a dick at times, unsure of himself at times, unhappy with himself at time, but he knows EXACTLY who he is and who he wants to be and I work my fucking ass off getting there instead of living in the past and blaming everyone else.
And Brian the only reason I tear you down is because your still the same anger filled judgemental person you were when we first started posting here.
And tear Pac down, no I pointed out the consquences of his actions, something Pac groupies are afraid to do.
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Felipebtu you do realise your westcoast king 2pac was New York born and raised right.
I know he is from NY . . . But this does not mean anything, Pac was identified with California THE BAY, Marin City, LA.
The fact he was born in New York is even better. . it shows his personality, he loved Los Angeles and had a huge respect for New York.
Pac did not fight with New York,Tupac fight with the clowns who say 'represented' New York.
Look and see if Pac has fights with Big Daddy Kane, Chuck D, Slick Rick, Busta, De La Soul, Q-Tip, Fat Joe, KRS-ONE, Primo, Guru, Pete Rock, Big L, Big Pun, Run DMC , AZ
THESE REALLY REPRESENT NEW YORK
Pac did diss De La Soul more than once.
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So you're still a big fan but 'unlike that groupies you can separate the man from the music'.
So the point of this thread is to let people (groupies) know that rappers and celebrities are not great role models?
Have you ever thought of working in education? This theory could catch on!
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So you're still a big fan but 'unlike that groupies you can separate the man from the music'.
So the point of this thread is to let people (groupies) know that rappers and celebrities are not great role models?
Have you ever thought of working in education? This theory could catch on!
Never said I was a fan, just said I enjoy his music. And besides groupies being unable to seperate the man from his music, I made a few points which you leave. Maybe I should get into education because its obvious the education system failed you
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RIP Mr. Shakur. as far as ''tha consequence of his actions'' go, who says anybody cares and whats really so significant about it. u cleary have ulterior motives and thats why u keep rambling on. like somehow youre better than all of us and 2pac becuz u dont agree with what he did. Its more like i said tha first time with my so called ''blanket statement'' all you want for us to do is agree with u and get on Pac. figures u would do it around his bday. anybody with a brain can c wat u were doing.
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You got so much anger there dude :)
I'm just trying to get what's new about your 'theories'. Obviously as it's 2Pacs Birthday you just look like an attention hoe lol. Maybe We're all missing something :)
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truth be told all this nigga is doing is playin games and distorting tha truth. fall 4 it if u want to smh.
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Actually Brian I don't watch much porn either, you would be proud of me. I have a GF and I prefer her touch to masturbation. And Brain you wanna know who Tom is ? Tom is someone that has been through the storm and back and instead of blaming everyone else he grew up and accepted responsibility for his life and made positive changes. Tom is someone that doesn't have it figured out but he knows that but he still puts himself out there trying to figure it out. And Tom may be a dick at times, unsure of himself at times, unhappy with himself at time, but he knows EXACTLY who he is and who he wants to be and I work my fucking ass off getting there instead of living in the past and blaming everyone else.
And Brian the only reason I tear you down is because your still the same anger filled judgemental person you were when we first started posting here.
And tear Pac down, no I pointed out the consquences of his actions, something Pac groupies are afraid to do.
Of course. My bad. You are a great man and I am a total failure as a human being.
...and even though Pac made it to legendary status in an industry that is one of the most cut-throat businesses out there; he wasn't perfect enough. And clearly you can see that, while the 2pac groupies can't.
You are an inspiration to us all, Tom. That's why we love you because you are so inspirational for all you've been through and all you've overcome.
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Pac wrote this poem for you, Tom, and all the people who only want to point out the negative. And can't see all the great things Pac accomplished under difficult circumstances.
The Rose that Grew from Concrete
Did you hear about the rose that grew
from a crack in the concrete?
Proving nature's law is wrong it
learned to walk with out having feet.
Funny it seems, but by keeping it's dreams,
it learned to breathe fresh air.
Long live the rose that grew from concrete
when no one else ever cared.
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lol at you all acting like you knew Pac. Saying that he was a piece of shit as a person, that he did this and that all for personal gain. You got it all figured out huh?
This!!
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You got so much anger there dude :)
I'm just trying to get what's new about your 'theories'. Obviously as it's 2Pacs Birthday you just look like an attention hoe lol. Maybe We're all missing something :)
Honest to god had no idea is was Pac's bday when I made this thread. And their is no theory, its well documented that pacs greed is what fueled the beef. No theory behind that breh
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Some of you are defending Pac more than i would defend certain family members
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Actually Brian I don't watch much porn either, you would be proud of me. I have a GF and I prefer her touch to masturbation. And Brain you wanna know who Tom is ? Tom is someone that has been through the storm and back and instead of blaming everyone else he grew up and accepted responsibility for his life and made positive changes. Tom is someone that doesn't have it figured out but he knows that but he still puts himself out there trying to figure it out. And Tom may be a dick at times, unsure of himself at times, unhappy with himself at time, but he knows EXACTLY who he is and who he wants to be and I work my fucking ass off getting there instead of living in the past and blaming everyone else.
And Brian the only reason I tear you down is because your still the same anger filled judgemental person you were when we first started posting here.
And tear Pac down, no I pointed out the consquences of his actions, something Pac groupies are afraid to do.
Of course. My bad. You are a great man and I am a total failure as a human being.
...and even though Pac made it to legendary status in an industry that is one of the most cut-throat businesses out there; he wasn't perfect enough. And clearly you can see that, while the 2pac groupies can't.
You are an inspiration to us all, Tom. That's why we love you because you are so inspirational for all you've been through and all you've overcome.
Where in that post did I say you were a failure as a human being Brian ? I said you were still the same judgemental hate filled person you were nearly 10 years later. No where did I say you were a failure as a human being. Those are your own words Brian, is that your own guilt speaking up ? But back to the point Brian, no where have I denied Pac reaching legendary status, no where have I denied his material. I merely pointed out the severe consquences of Pac's actions. And I'm not getting on Pac for not being perfect because no one is. And I'll be the first to say neither am I. I'm very far from perfect but for whatever reason you keep going to one ridiculous extreme to protect your hero. But one huge difference between my mistakes and Pac's is the fact my mistakes didn't kill a man and destroy a genre of music. If you don't see what Pac did to rap in the long run, you're in straight denial. To be honest I find it very disturbing that you and the fellow pac groupies can't even see or begin to think of the consquences of Pac's actions in the last year of his life. No one in this thread has disputed my points with rebuttals that have anything to do with the original subject at hand
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You got so much anger there dude :)
I'm just trying to get what's new about your 'theories'. Obviously as it's 2Pacs Birthday you just look like an attention hoe lol. Maybe We're all missing something :)
Honest to god had no idea is was Pac's bday when I made this thread. And their is no theory, its well documented that pacs greed is what fueled the beef. No theory behind that breh
So you're telling us stuff that's already well documented? Cool!
I guess that's simular to your vendetta against Snoop saying he turned pop, or that no exercise and heavy drinking/smoking/bad diet can increase the likelihood of Stroke.
Whats your next revelatory thread gonna be about, why only our hands and feet wrinkle in the bath? :laugh:
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You got so much anger there dude :)
I'm just trying to get what's new about your 'theories'. Obviously as it's 2Pacs Birthday you just look like an attention hoe lol. Maybe We're all missing something :)
Honest to god had no idea is was Pac's bday when I made this thread. And their is no theory, its well documented that pacs greed is what fueled the beef. No theory behind that breh
Lmfao @ you catching feelings like a woman lmao pathetic, pull ya skirt down breh
So you're telling us stuff that's already well documented? Cool!
I guess that's simular to your vendetta against Snoop saying he turned pop, or that no exercise and heavy drinking/smoking/bad diet can increase the likelihood of Stroke.
Whats your next revelatory thread gonna be about, why only our hands and feet wrinkle in the bath? :laugh:
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I pointed out his greedy actions caused an innocent man to die causing two children to grow up fatherless
Ignorance across the board caused any life to be lost. 2Pac didn't squeeze that trigger.
You say you used to ride for Pac now you preach that he was a negative figure in society - I guess your focus shifted.
Music fans can celebrate Pacs output without focussing on any personal negative side, just like people worldwide still enjoying Thriller without confusing the troubled side of Michael Jacksons life and his music.
Going hell bent to 'wake people up' on the reals of Pacs life is kinda weird though (you were the dude who was banned before right?), it's kinda obvious but it's cool if you only just realised it.
And if that's how you choose to spend your spare time who am I to judge :cheers:
Lol @ riding for Pac. We can enjoy a rapper's music while at the same time admit he wasn't a decent human being. That's what separates fans like me from groupies like you.
You groupies will never understand what being a fan is all about. Neither you nor I know these rappers personally. It wouldn't surprise me if half of them were scumbags. That said, if a rapper shows through public actions that they're a huge douche I'm not going to stop listening to their music. But neither am I going to excuse what they've done or act like they're a great person just based on their music. "Riding" for a rapper is on some gay stanboy shit.
It blows my mind how people are getting pissed off at probably the most reasonable arguments on this forum. Guy acts like a jerk in public and does things a jerk would do, guy probably is a jerk. Not that big of a leap to make. If it was lil wayne who was getting into the same B.S. Pac was and running his mouth off in interviews, would you be saying he's a great guy too? LOL you and I both know the answer is no.
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I pointed out his greedy actions caused an innocent man to die causing two children to grow up fatherless
Ignorance across the board caused any life to be lost. 2Pac didn't squeeze that trigger.
You say you used to ride for Pac now you preach that he was a negative figure in society - I guess your focus shifted.
Music fans can celebrate Pacs output without focussing on any personal negative side, just like people worldwide still enjoying Thriller without confusing the troubled side of Michael Jacksons life and his music.
Going hell bent to 'wake people up' on the reals of Pacs life is kinda weird though (you were the dude who was banned before right?), it's kinda obvious but it's cool if you only just realised it.
And if that's how you choose to spend your spare time who am I to judge :cheers:
Lol @ riding for Pac. We can enjoy a rapper's music while at the same time admit he wasn't a decent human being. That's what separates fans like me from groupies like you.
You groupies will never understand what being a fan is all about. Neither you nor I know these rappers personally. It wouldn't surprise me if half of them were scumbags. That said, if a rapper shows through public actions that they're a huge douche I'm not going to stop listening to their music. But neither am I going to excuse what they've done or act like they're a great person just based on their music. "Riding" for a rapper is on some gay stanboy shit.
It blows my mind how people are getting pissed off at probably the most reasonable arguments on this forum. Guy acts like a jerk in public and does things a jerk would do, guy probably is a jerk. Not that big of a leap to make. If it was lil wayne who was getting into the same B.S. Pac was and running his mouth off in interviews, would you be saying he's a great guy too? LOL you and I both know the answer is no.
Don't get the 'riding' term twisted. I'm just using slang like the black folk do.
Noone here is pissed, but kids like you and Prodigal Son can't seem to entertain the idea of a counter argument on the boards without going down the 'you mad' route.
Maybe you guys don't get to have discussions with real people face to face but you'll find a healthy debate can be good fun without name calling and such :wavey:
Back on topic, does it worry you some people just like Pacs music and it doesn't bother them the ins and outs of who he really was or might have been?
I still listen to Billy Holliday without being fixated with her untimely death and heroin addiction.
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So I've seen a lot of pointless personal attacks in this thread. A lot of name calling as well.
Very few people have addressed the question at hand: Did 2pac's actions play a role that lead to some tragic consequences?
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Don't get the 'riding' term twisted. I'm just using slang like the black folk do.
Maybe you should just be yourself and not mimic the way black folks say things. That way people wouldn't get confused by what you're saying.
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Don't get the 'riding' term twisted. I'm just using slang like the black folk do.
Maybe you should just be yourself and not mimic the way black folks say things. That way people wouldn't get confused by what you're saying.
+1 :laugh:
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So I've seen a lot of pointless personal attacks in this thread. A lot of name calling as well.
Very few people have addressed the question at hand: Did 2pac's actions play a role that lead to some tragic consequences?
His actions did play a part and nobody has even disputed that in tha slightest but to keep it all tha way real those actions were outweighed more by other people than Pac.
he rapped about uplighting niggaz and then gets set up and shot by his niggaz.
he makes a song (not just any song) called "Keep Ya Head Up" and then gets hit with a false sex abuse charge (i personally dont believe it and i feel that way about alotta celebrities period. charlie sheen has spent millions on hookers, why would he need to sexually assault anybody - for example)
he defends a stranger from police and busts back at them. to this day no entertainer of any kind has done that for anybody (a random person at that)
he shed light on the police and justice system and gets shot in Vegas but gets pulled over and dragged out on tha ground for 30 minutes for no reason meanwhile he's bleeding out all over the place and pretty much dies right there. he basically died becuz of racist ass punk ass police.
pretty much everybody he hung out with was from the EastCoast
tha nigga kept it 100 and didnt have any cut cards
every man must take accountability for his own actions, that is true and i believe that religiously (i'm going thru something right now and I'm not blaming anybody but myself). the media took Pac's words and actions outta context. when he spit at tha camera it was becuz he was selling records and attacking the people who were publicly damning him at tha same time. if u dont and didn't understand the man then you dont understand niggaz yourself. Pac resinated with niggaz be we could relate to his words, emotions, and actions, not becuz Interscope Records wanted to sell another album and tha nigga just happened to be talented and get popular.
and plz, lets not get to actin' like back in the day that the laws weren't handing out cases like pocket change to homeless people.
just becuz people loved Pac doesn't make us groupies, u must have never met a groupie in real life becuz you're using the term wrong. how can u clown inspiration and art. yeah, clown me, say whatever, but i dont have 2 lie becuz i (and millions if not billions of other people looked up to Pac and still do and it's still growing by the day). just like i said, this topic is irrational. u want us to damn a man who stood for so much just becuz the nigga waz wild lol, it's not gonna happen. this thread won't go anywhere further than this board.
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Felipebtu is hands down the funniest poster on this site even if he did PM me asking for dicks pics
arh you suprised when our salsa loving friend felipe has this poster on his wall :camp:
(http://www.harraway.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/pacbath.jpg)
NO NO NO
ON MY WALL HAS A POSTER OF YOUR MAMA SUCKING MY FAT COCK .. BEFORE I CRACK HER ASS ! BIATCH!
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So I've seen a lot of pointless personal attacks in this thread. A lot of name calling as well.
Very few people have addressed the question at hand: Did 2pac's actions play a role that lead to some tragic consequences?
His actions did play a part and nobody has even disputed that in tha slightest but to keep it all tha way real those actions were outweighed more by other people than Pac.
he rapped about uplighting niggaz and then gets set up and shot by his niggaz.
he makes a song (not just any song) called "Keep Ya Head Up" and then gets hit with a false sex abuse charge (i personally dont believe it and i feel that way about alotta celebrities period. charlie sheen has spent millions on hookers, why would he need to sexually assault anybody - for example)
he defends a stranger from police and busts back at them. to this day no entertainer of any kind has done that for anybody (a random person at that)
he shed light on the police and justice system and gets shot in Vegas but gets pulled over and dragged out on tha ground for 30 minutes for no reason meanwhile he's bleeding out all over the place and pretty much dies right there. he basically died becuz of racist ass punk ass police.
pretty much everybody he hung out with was from the EastCoast
tha nigga kept it 100 and didnt have any cut cards
every man must take accountability for his own actions, that is true and i believe that religiously (i'm going thru something right now and I'm not blaming anybody but myself). the media took Pac's words and actions outta context. when he spit at tha camera it was becuz he was selling records and attacking the people who were publicly damning him at tha same time. if u dont and didn't understand the man then you dont understand niggaz yourself. Pac resinated with niggaz be we could relate to his words, emotions, and actions, not becuz Interscope Records wanted to sell another album and tha nigga just happened to be talented and get popular.
and plz, lets not get to actin' like back in the day that the laws weren't handing out cases like pocket change to homeless people.
just becuz people loved Pac doesn't make us groupies, u must have never met a groupie in real life becuz you're using the term wrong. how can u clown inspiration and art. yeah, clown me, say whatever, but i dont have 2 lie becuz i (and millions if not billions of other people looked up to Pac and still do and it's still growing by the day). just like i said, this topic is irrational. u want us to damn a man who stood for so much just becuz the nigga waz wild lol, it's not gonna happen. this thread won't go anywhere further than this board.
Thank God somebody has Pac's back not just me, you haters should stop making these stupid threads about the greatest rapper of all time, go and listen to gucci mane and wacka flocka if you cant accept Pac the way he was. BTW today is Pack's birthday so stop the hating and wish him happy birthday!!! THREAD CLOSED
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Jman / OFWG is angry with me, because I spoke of the British gay singers .. He's from London too .
Ok I dance salsa and samba .
but you are Another Gay Ass British .
is to be expected .. England where even the Prince (Charles) sits on Cock
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Most of us didn't know 2Pac so we can only judge him on the basis of his music and what his peers thought of him. Of of those two factors he seemed to be a good dude overall with flaws just like everyone else. The fact that we still talk about the man til this day good/bad he definitely made an impact on society.
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I hope this shines some light on the topic...
http://www.escapemtl.ca/2010/06/17/the-truth-about-haitian-jack.html (http://www.escapemtl.ca/2010/06/17/the-truth-about-haitian-jack.html)
and I think pac was the GOAT when it comes to rap, but it's obvious that his tough guy image wasn't the real pac, he even says that he adopted that persona after he played bishop in juice..what you guys are arguing is fucking retarded tho tbh, I didn't read the whole thread but basically there's people saying"pac was a thug" and others saying"pac was a ballerina", in which case both sides are right(he shot two cops, thats pretty thug ish in my book, and he went to the performing school of arts or whatever it's called and had to take a ballet class to get a passing grade, so he was a DANSEUR)...pac was a deep dude and nobody really can say for sure what pacs motives were, cause IMHO he didn't even know what he was doing at times, but in the big picture when you look at it, pac was all about helping the less fortunate, and you can't hate on that...anything else is up to the judgment of the all-mighty(and I don't mean pac to all you euros who think pac is the all-mighty that should judge himself in the afterlife lmao), hence "only god can judge me"...but it would be dudes 40th today, just spark up a blunt and play your favorite pac album and stop the bitching...and to all the groupies that are always saying pac would kick your ass if you said that to his face blah blah blah, nigga was what 5'7 and weighed like a buck fifty or sixty at most, if he's not pulling out a burner he's not doing shit, PAC WASN'T A FIGHTER, mike tyson was a fighter...pac was a writer that ran his mouth like a fighter and he had to pay the consequences in the end...still the GOAT, but not the best decision maker in the heat of the moment...
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Don't get the 'riding' term twisted. I'm just using slang like the black folk do.
Maybe you should just be yourself and not mimic the way black folks say things. That way people wouldn't get confused by what you're saying.
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I love how NIK came through & couldn't even dispute a point. Just said, "you're stupid". Learn how to argue, Jew.
telling a jew to learn how to argue is like telling u to not be a faggot..
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Don't get the 'riding' term twisted. I'm just using slang like the black folk do.
Maybe you should just be yourself and not mimic the way black folks say things. That way people wouldn't get confused by what you're saying.
Thanks for your valuable input King Petey Pablo. I was just trying to sound black, I'm sure you can relate to that :-* :-* :-*
R.I.P. 2Pac!! :sombrero:
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I pointed out his greedy actions caused an innocent man to die causing two children to grow up fatherless
Ignorance across the board caused any life to be lost. 2Pac didn't squeeze that trigger.
You say you used to ride for Pac now you preach that he was a negative figure in society - I guess your focus shifted.
Music fans can celebrate Pacs output without focussing on any personal negative side, just like people worldwide still enjoying Thriller without confusing the troubled side of Michael Jacksons life and his music.
Going hell bent to 'wake people up' on the reals of Pacs life is kinda weird though (you were the dude who was banned before right?), it's kinda obvious but it's cool if you only just realised it.
And if that's how you choose to spend your spare time who am I to judge :cheers:
Lol @ riding for Pac. We can enjoy a rapper's music while at the same time admit he wasn't a decent human being. That's what separates fans like me from groupies like you.
You groupies will never understand what being a fan is all about. Neither you nor I know these rappers personally. It wouldn't surprise me if half of them were scumbags. That said, if a rapper shows through public actions that they're a huge douche I'm not going to stop listening to their music. But neither am I going to excuse what they've done or act like they're a great person just based on their music. "Riding" for a rapper is on some gay stanboy shit.
It blows my mind how people are getting pissed off at probably the most reasonable arguments on this forum. Guy acts like a jerk in public and does things a jerk would do, guy probably is a jerk. Not that big of a leap to make. If it was lil wayne who was getting into the same B.S. Pac was and running his mouth off in interviews, would you be saying he's a great guy too? LOL you and I both know the answer is no.
Reasonable argument? HAHAHAha How dumb are you to actually think its reasonable to talk about someone's personality when you didn't even know the guy personally? You fucking idiot, you just love drama. You're a fucking straight cunt. Go watch soap operas. Stick to the music in this forum you bitch.
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Felipebtu is hands down the funniest poster on this site even if he did PM me asking for dicks pics
arh you suprised when our salsa loving friend felipe has this poster on his wall :camp:
(http://www.harraway.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/pacbath.jpg)
NO NO NO
ON MY WALL HAS A POSTER OF YOUR MAMA SUCKING MY FAT COCK .. BEFORE I CRACK HER ASS ! BIATCH!
Jman / OFWG is angry with me, because I spoke of the British gay singers .. He's from London too .
Ok I dance salsa and samba .
but you are Another Gay Ass British .
is to be expected .. England where even the Prince (Charles) sits on Cock
Hahaha, bless you felipe... i know your "trying" your hardest to flame me son, but lets face it when you struggle to type or even grasp the english langauge your always going to fail... now be a good little cabana boy and go help daddy get into his carnivale costume, you must be soo proud of him being the #1 drag queen on the circuit. Dont worry your day will come soon enough.
(http://www.bugbitten.com/images/52edc4a5890adc59cec82cb60f8af691/Rio_Carnival_2006-40860/Rio_Carnival_2006-1399893.jpeg)
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Reasonable argument? HAHAHAha How dumb are you to actually think its reasonable to talk about someone's personality when you didn't even know the guy personally? You fucking idiot, you just love drama. You're a fucking straight cunt. Go watch soap operas. Stick to the music in this forum you bitch.
Apparently as dumb as you:
You guys are getting too caught up on that REAL shit. First of all what the fuck is REAL and how can you tell who is more REAL than someone else?? HAHA. I think 2Pac was real but not because of what most people talk about. I think he was REAL because he made MUSIC for everyone. H did songs like KEEP YA HEAD UP or Unconditional LOve, BRENDAS GOT A BABY, DEAR MAMA but still keeping it HIP HOP. Not many rappers could get away with that. Yes he made many mistakes and went crazy at times, but before you can criticize him for that, you need to analyze how he grew up and where he came from. The thug IMAGE he portrayed was not FALSE unless you actually were ignorant enough to think he was saying he was a THUG because he murders everyone. He always said his definition of a THUG was because he came from the GUTTER. He was from the hood, in other words. I never truly looked at him as a killer of any kind. To me he was a regular kat, that was dealing with a lot of shit that MOST 25 years old would probably not be able to handle. He went crazy, got shot and was influenced by the wrong people. He made songs expressing how he felt about his life and moment. It's COMMON and happens to many young adults. When you saw 2Pac speak on a serious note, you would than be able to understand who he really was. He was a good guy and made classic music. Wish he was still alive and grown, to be able to see him get over that time and make some more classic positive HIP HOP.
Irony much? You're a joke. You're clearly butthurt and trying to deny it is making it worse for you. How are you gonna whine about others judging Pac when you write paragraphs on the subject? Half of the posts you've made are about Pac but somehow this is the one Pac topic that shouldn't be discussed. Face the fact that you're mad and the groupie in you can't stop yourself from (dick)riding for him.
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i aint reading 8 pages but let me just say this straight up, pac was and is and will always be one of the greatest to ever step on the mic. These white kids jumping off walls over an eminem track just dunno, 2pac>>>>>>>>>>>eminem.
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i aint reading 8 pages but let me just say this straight up, pac was and is and will always be one of the greatest to ever step on the mic. These white kids jumping off walls over an eminem track just dunno, 2pac>>>>>>>>>>>eminem.
You should've read the past 8 pages because I don't think Em was mentioned once
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Who here is disputing Pac's music or his words though? It's like people keep trying to change the subject.
We're talking about the man's actions. And if you ask me, actions always speak louder than words.
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Actually Brian I don't watch much porn either, you would be proud of me. I have a GF and I prefer her touch to masturbation. And Brain you wanna know who Tom is ? Tom is someone that has been through the storm and back and instead of blaming everyone else he grew up and accepted responsibility for his life and made positive changes. Tom is someone that doesn't have it figured out but he knows that but he still puts himself out there trying to figure it out. And Tom may be a dick at times, unsure of himself at times, unhappy with himself at time, but he knows EXACTLY who he is and who he wants to be and I work my fucking ass off getting there instead of living in the past and blaming everyone else.
And Brian the only reason I tear you down is because your still the same anger filled judgemental person you were when we first started posting here.
And tear Pac down, no I pointed out the consquences of his actions, something Pac groupies are afraid to do.
Of course. My bad. You are a great man and I am a total failure as a human being.
...and even though Pac made it to legendary status in an industry that is one of the most cut-throat businesses out there; he wasn't perfect enough. And clearly you can see that, while the 2pac groupies can't.
You are an inspiration to us all, Tom. That's why we love you because you are so inspirational for all you've been through and all you've overcome.
Where in that post did I say you were a failure as a human being Brian ? I said you were still the same judgemental hate filled person you were nearly 10 years later. No where did I say you were a failure as a human being. Those are your own words Brian, is that your own guilt speaking up ? But back to the point Brian, no where have I denied Pac reaching legendary status, no where have I denied his material. I merely pointed out the severe consquences of Pac's actions. And I'm not getting on Pac for not being perfect because no one is. And I'll be the first to say neither am I. I'm very far from perfect but for whatever reason you keep going to one ridiculous extreme to protect your hero. But one huge difference between my mistakes and Pac's is the fact my mistakes didn't kill a man and destroy a genre of music. If you don't see what Pac did to rap in the long run, you're in straight denial. To be honest I find it very disturbing that you and the fellow pac groupies can't even see or begin to think of the consquences of Pac's actions in the last year of his life. No one in this thread has disputed my points with rebuttals that have anything to do with the original subject at hand
If Pac laid around his mom couch in bitching all day, and postin on internet sites, jerkin off and watching porn and WWE.... then yeah, I guess he could of stayed out of trouble, or at least nobody would of cared whether he did wrong anyway.
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i aint reading 8 pages but let me just say this straight up, pac was and is and will always be one of the greatest to ever step on the mic. These white kids jumping off walls over an eminem track just dunno, 2pac>>>>>>>>>>>eminem.
opinion..puttin emotions in it yea...
face n cube got pac
and i hate face...
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I thought Tupac was a thug way before DR?
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I like how everybody always claims 2pac was the best westcoast rapper. But they forget he's from the eastcoast. He even used MC New York as a rapname.
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If Pac laid around his mom couch in bitching all day, and postin on internet sites, jerkin off and watching porn and WWE.... then yeah, I guess he could of stayed out of trouble, or at least nobody would of cared whether he did wrong anyway.
so this is why they call you infant, you get emotional and can´t discuss the topic at hand but start stomping your e-feet and crying . and stop talking about mommas couch since you´re the one who´s a spoiled little brat worshipping west coast rappers and keeping them as your role models .
this thread is good in exposing these wiggers who worship their lord and savior Tupac Amaru Shakur and still refuse to believe he was a normal human being doing a lot of dumb shit.
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I like how everybody always claims 2pac was the best westcoast rapper. But they forget he's from the eastcoast. He even used MC New York as a rapname.
true but during his professional career his delivery and style was more westcoast than eastcoast. he admitted that when he arrived in Marin City he had to switch from a lyrical/poetic type of rap to a more raw/gangsta perspective cause people were not feeling him. there are several "westcoast" mc's that were born in NYC... AMG, Shock G, Killa Tay just to name a few
plus Pac repped the west in his lyrics "to these punk police, they don't know me, you're fucking with a Oakland O.G., hey yo it's true I wasn't raised here, but rhyme pays so now a nigga stays here" (from The Gov's "Gaffled Like That" (feat. 2pac & Richie Rich))
but i couldn't care less, i'm a euro so i'm just interested in the music lol
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I like how everybody always claims 2pac was the best westcoast rapper. But they forget he's from the eastcoast. He even used MC New York as a rapname.
true but during his professional career his delivery and style was more westcoast than eastcoast.
lol, no
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i feel like the real issue here is if Dogg Pound called out Bone Thugs N Harmony on Dogg Pound Gangsta's.....
"Hoes in harmony..?"
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i may very well be wrong, that's just my impression. what, in your opinion, likens Pac's music to the eastcoast more than the west ?
I'm not going to talk about his musical influence cause Pac has worked with a slew of producers from both coasts, but he did the biggest chunk of his released music with westcoast producers (DJ Daryl, Pee Wee, Raw Fusion, Shock G, Johnny J, QD III, Mike Mosley, etc.).
Pac first 4 albums (Thug Life included) were about half eastcoast / half westcoast. On 2pacalypse you had the Live Squad produced joints and the D.U. clique joints. Pac definitely had a westcoast type of flow and topic matters on tracks like Trapped (penned by Ray Luv)/I Don't Give a Fuck. Strictly 4 My niggaz had eastcoast type joints like Representin' 93 or Streets R Deathrow. Thug Life was the most westcoast albums of the 4 even though it had a "Eastcoast side" and a "westcoast side", his crew was 100% westcoast (southern cali) and it had typical westcoast gangsta songs. Me Against The World was half east half west. You had the very eastcoast "Me Against The World", "Lord Knows", "Old School" and the classic westcoast joints like "Death Around The Corner", "outlaw", "heavy in the game", "can you get away" and "young niggaz"
Then his deathrow days were 90% westcoast with 1) party tracks 2) gangsta tracks 3) mystic tracks where he talks about death, reincarnation, and all that stuff 4) "uplifting tracks"
so overall IMHO Pac's style was hybrid and he was very versatile on the mic, he wasn't 100% westcoast but he was certainly no more eastcoast. Pac's style was both close to Ray Luv's and Stretch's and I think he derived his music from the style of rap that surrounded him, since he hung out with both east and westcoast crew that's why he was so versatile.
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i feel like the real issue here is if Dogg Pound called out Bone Thugs N Harmony on Dogg Pound Gangsta's.....
"Hoes in harmony..?"
yeah they did lol, and Bone Thugs answered on E. 1999 Eternal on both "shotz to the double glock" & "Mo Murder"
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i feel like the real issue here is if Dogg Pound called out Bone Thugs N Harmony on Dogg Pound Gangsta's.....
"Hoes in harmony..?"
yeah they did lol, and Bone Thugs answered on E. 1999 Eternal on both "East 1999" & "Mo Murder"
"Shotz To Tha Double Glock" was a diss to Tha Dogg Pound. I didn't know that "East 99" and "Mo' Murder" were disses though.
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yeah my bad i meant Shotz To The Double Glock not East 1999. On "mo Murda" Krayzie talks about "finding these Row Hoez", i think he was especially talking about the pound.
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i may very well be wrong, that's just my impression. what, in your opinion, likens Pac's music to the eastcoast more than the west ?
I'm not going to talk about his musical influence cause Pac has worked with a slew of producers from both coasts, but he did the biggest chunk of his released music with westcoast producers (DJ Daryl, Pee Wee, Raw Fusion, Shock G, Johnny J, QD III, Mike Mosley, etc.).
Pac first 4 albums (Thug Life included) were about half eastcoast / half westcoast. On 2pacalypse you had the Live Squad produced joints and the D.U. clique joints. Pac definitely had a westcoast type of flow and topic matters on tracks like Trapped (penned by Ray Luv)/I Don't Give a Fuck. Strictly 4 My niggaz had eastcoast type joints like Representin' 93 or Streets R Deathrow. Thug Life was the most westcoast albums of the 4 even though it had a "Eastcoast side" and a "westcoast side", his crew was 100% westcoast (southern cali) and it had typical westcoast gangsta songs. Me Against The World was half east half west. You had the very eastcoast "Me Against The World", "Lord Knows", "Old School" and the classic westcoast joints like "Death Around The Corner", "outlaw", "heavy in the game", "can you get away" and "young niggaz"
Then his deathrow days were 90% westcoast with 1) party tracks 2) gangsta tracks 3) mystic tracks where he talks about death, reincarnation, and all that stuff 4) "uplifting tracks"
so overall IMHO Pac's style was hybrid and he was very versatile on the mic, he wasn't 100% westcoast but he was certainly no more eastcoast. Pac's style was both close to Ray Luv's and Stretch's and I think he derived his music from the style of rap that surrounded him, since he hung out with both east and westcoast crew that's why he was so versatile.
1) What does it mean to have a westcoast style and delivery?
2) What does his musical influence have to do with the producers who made his beats? Whether most of his producers were from the west coast or not has nothing to do with his style or delivery.
3) You claim his first 4 albums were half westcoast/west coast without defining what either term means. I don't know what a "west coast type of flow/topic matter" is, nor do I hear that in the song Trapped or I Don't Give a Fuck. For sure he sounds nothing like Snoop or Dre.
4) His crew Thug Life definitely wasn't 100% "west coast". Mopreme for one was from New York, like Pac himself. Regardless what would the origin of his associates have to do with Pac himself? Also I don't hear these "typical west coast gangsta songs"
5) Me Against the World was half west coast? I don't hear it, you'll have to explain further.
6) Since when do talking about death, reincarnation or making uplifting tracks say anything about which coast a rapper's music is like?
In conclusion you've yet to come up with anything that would show his style and delivery were considered "west coast", much less even define what that would mean.
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Man you guys talk about the real, the fake. how long are your homies or relavtives gonna mourn for you, after your dead or locked up, they think about you but your in the bpast.
Tupac was an artist, a poet, an entrepreneur. dude was hip hop, not only the west coast
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Lol Spice 2, you love the Bay right? Do you hear East Coast rappers rappin anything like typical Bay Area rappers?
You guys nitpick to infinity and beyond.
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Lol Spice 2, you love the Bay right? Do you hear East Coast rappers rappin anything like typical Bay Area rappers?
You guys nitpick to infinity and beyond.
lol, it's a "forum", einstein - what do u expect?
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i may very well be wrong, that's just my impression. what, in your opinion, likens Pac's music to the eastcoast more than the west ?
I'm not going to talk about his musical influence cause Pac has worked with a slew of producers from both coasts, but he did the biggest chunk of his released music with westcoast producers (DJ Daryl, Pee Wee, Raw Fusion, Shock G, Johnny J, QD III, Mike Mosley, etc.).
Pac first 4 albums (Thug Life included) were about half eastcoast / half westcoast. On 2pacalypse you had the Live Squad produced joints and the D.U. clique joints. Pac definitely had a westcoast type of flow and topic matters on tracks like Trapped (penned by Ray Luv)/I Don't Give a Fuck. Strictly 4 My niggaz had eastcoast type joints like Representin' 93 or Streets R Deathrow. Thug Life was the most westcoast albums of the 4 even though it had a "Eastcoast side" and a "westcoast side", his crew was 100% westcoast (southern cali) and it had typical westcoast gangsta songs. Me Against The World was half east half west. You had the very eastcoast "Me Against The World", "Lord Knows", "Old School" and the classic westcoast joints like "Death Around The Corner", "outlaw", "heavy in the game", "can you get away" and "young niggaz"
Then his deathrow days were 90% westcoast with 1) party tracks 2) gangsta tracks 3) mystic tracks where he talks about death, reincarnation, and all that stuff 4) "uplifting tracks"
so overall IMHO Pac's style was hybrid and he was very versatile on the mic, he wasn't 100% westcoast but he was certainly no more eastcoast. Pac's style was both close to Ray Luv's and Stretch's and I think he derived his music from the style of rap that surrounded him, since he hung out with both east and westcoast crew that's why he was so versatile.
1) What does it mean to have a westcoast style and delivery?
2) What does his musical influence have to do with the producers who made his beats? Whether most of his producers were from the west coast or not has nothing to do with his style or delivery.
3) You claim his first 4 albums were half westcoast/west coast without defining what either term means. I don't know what a "west coast type of flow/topic matter" is, nor do I hear that in the song Trapped or I Don't Give a Fuck. For sure he sounds nothing like Snoop or Dre.
4) His crew Thug Life definitely wasn't 100% "west coast". Mopreme for one was from New York, like Pac himself. Regardless what would the origin of his associates have to do with Pac himself? Also I don't hear these "typical west coast gangsta songs"
5) Me Against the World was half west coast? I don't hear it, you'll have to explain further.
6) Since when do talking about death, reincarnation or making uplifting tracks say anything about which coast a rapper's music is like?
In conclusion you've yet to come up with anything that would show his style and delivery were considered "west coast", much less even define what that would mean.
Damn you got me. My bad for not making myself clear and digressing. I'll try to tackle each and everyone of your questions.
1) "westcoast" style & delivery is a very general term and not the best, but i think people get what i mean. however i'll try and say this : a type of rapping which was adopted on the westcoast and done by most rappers from there. a different standard. the west has had many different styles but it differentiated itself through A) different slang B) different norms : eastcoast (to be very broad) was about lyrical prowess, killers on the mic, battling each other, bragging about one's skills, storytelling etc. / westcoast (and south)'s focus wasn't fundamentally, you had lyricists and story tellers but it added a different twist. you had a bigger emphasis on street tales, bragadoccio, profanity. as far as the delivery, Pac's urgency and not-so-technical delivery fitted better within westcoast rap music where the songs can be anarchical (where you have rappers taking over the next one, posse cuts where barely anyone sticks to the subject matter etc.)
2) well you're right but what i mean was that the beats dictate the delivery and the vibe, right ? so when a westcoast producer drops a typically westcoast type of beat it's gonna influence how you're gonna rap, isn't it ?
3) Alright here are brief definitions A) westcoast music : funky beat with guitar/bass lines or chords (I Get Around, I Don't Give A Fuck, Holler If You Hear Me) or dark beats with a grave bass line B) eastcoast music : boom bam rap (lol) with less furnished instrumentals or soulful samples (Representin' 93). Why is I Don't Give a Fuck a westcoast song to me ? The urgency of the delivery as i pointed out earlier, the funky Pee Wee (dangerous crew) beat, the lyrics that denounce the Frisco, Oakland & Marin City PD.
4) You're right about Mopreme, but he wasn't the cement of the crew. Thug Life crew was cemented around Big Syke's Evil Minded Gangstas. Pac was hanging out with Inglewood crips then. So he was more influenced by EMG's style of rap and the lifestyle he pursued by then (the death of Katomental etc.) than by NY's competition for lyrical prowess. That led to this album having a more westcoast slant. Your surrounding always influence your actions. Pac didn't rap the same way on "Dusted and disgusted" than he did on "My Mind Made Up". Typical westcoast song : Bury Me A G, Under Pressure, Shit Don't Stop, From The Cradle To The Grave, Pour Out A Little Liquor.
5) Me Against The World has typical westcoast cuts as well : tell me Heavy N The Game isn't a typical Bay Area gangsta rap song. Young Niggaz with the "She's strange" sample that is a staple in westcoast rap music (San Quinn & messy marv, Nate dogg, etc.),
6) I was merely listing Pac's main subject matters when he was on the row, you're right about that, it doesn't make it westcoast. what makes it westcoast though, IMO, is the surrounding he had. being around Suge, "out on bail fresh outta jail" as he said, definitely provided for him an atmosphere. and i think that your surrounding ultimately defines how you are gonna end up sounding. that's why Kurupt is versatile too, on one hand he grew up in Philly listening to Rakim and on the other hand he relocated to Hawthorne were the gangsta rap scene was budding but he still hung out at the Good Life Cafe. That led him to producing lyrical songs that eastcoast artists would not refute and average westcoast gangsta tales.
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Lol Spice 2, you love the Bay right? Do you hear East Coast rappers rappin anything like typical Bay Area rappers?
You guys nitpick to infinity and beyond.
lol, it's a "forum", einstein - what do u expect?
I'd expect people like Spice to know at least something about East/West lyrical content and delivery.
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i may very well be wrong, that's just my impression. what, in your opinion, likens Pac's music to the eastcoast more than the west ?
I'm not going to talk about his musical influence cause Pac has worked with a slew of producers from both coasts, but he did the biggest chunk of his released music with westcoast producers (DJ Daryl, Pee Wee, Raw Fusion, Shock G, Johnny J, QD III, Mike Mosley, etc.).
Pac first 4 albums (Thug Life included) were about half eastcoast / half westcoast. On 2pacalypse you had the Live Squad produced joints and the D.U. clique joints. Pac definitely had a westcoast type of flow and topic matters on tracks like Trapped (penned by Ray Luv)/I Don't Give a Fuck. Strictly 4 My niggaz had eastcoast type joints like Representin' 93 or Streets R Deathrow. Thug Life was the most westcoast albums of the 4 even though it had a "Eastcoast side" and a "westcoast side", his crew was 100% westcoast (southern cali) and it had typical westcoast gangsta songs. Me Against The World was half east half west. You had the very eastcoast "Me Against The World", "Lord Knows", "Old School" and the classic westcoast joints like "Death Around The Corner", "outlaw", "heavy in the game", "can you get away" and "young niggaz"
Then his deathrow days were 90% westcoast with 1) party tracks 2) gangsta tracks 3) mystic tracks where he talks about death, reincarnation, and all that stuff 4) "uplifting tracks"
so overall IMHO Pac's style was hybrid and he was very versatile on the mic, he wasn't 100% westcoast but he was certainly no more eastcoast. Pac's style was both close to Ray Luv's and Stretch's and I think he derived his music from the style of rap that surrounded him, since he hung out with both east and westcoast crew that's why he was so versatile.
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QDIII isnt westoast. neither him personaly, or his type of music..
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QDIII isnt westoast. neither him personaly, or his type of music..
Yeah he is from Sweden. The label "westcoast music" can be tricky. But I think QDIII's most representative music i.e. the music that made him famous can be considered "westcoast". He indeed was a los angeles based producer that helped define the G-Funk sound in his prime and helped develop the g-funk scene(his label Jungle Records focused on westcoast acts like Mr. X). He produced songs that to this day are considered as the epitome of westcoast music.
=> Ice Cube's You Know How We Do It
=> Ice Cube's Bop Gun
=> Too Short's Just Another Day
=> 2pac's To Live and Die in LA
=> Westside Connection's Westward Ho
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he produced stuff for pac, and some Lench Mob/Ice Cube affiliated-acts - thats it.
not to mention, dude is a european from Sweden
other than taht, his catalogue is predomantly eastcoast and "eastcoast"-sounding - LL Cool J, Treachrous Three, Queen Latifah, plus a million pop/r&b artists from England, Sweden.
and Tech N9ne
his label was bicoastal, n didnt focus on anythin. Mr X was just an artist, just like Justin Warfielfd (an african artist)
but yeah, i understand what u mean. since his most famous music sounds like "westcoast", n was made for "westcoast" artists (like 2pac, from NY) - that makes him "westcoast"? no, i disagree
point taken tho, a few of the songs he produced for Cube and Pac - shaped the sound of the westcoast in the 90's (like his Gap Band-samples)
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nice post. you're right he's not a 'westcoast producer' but you understood where I was coming from though and the fact that I was mentioning him among the producers with whom he made "westcoast music"
Just to be accurate he did produce for more than Cube & Pac as far as westcoast acts are concerned
Cube & Lench Mob & Westside Connection
Mack 10
Yo-Yo
Pac
Celly Cel
Kam
Too Short
The Mexakinz
Jason Kidd (lol)
R.O.D.G & Mr. X.
Luniz
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he produced stuff for pac, and some Lench Mob/Ice Cube affiliated-acts - thats it.
not to mention, dude is a european from Sweden
other than taht, his catalogue is predomantly eastcoast and "eastcoast"-sounding - LL Cool J, Treachrous Three, Queen Latifah, plus a million pop/r&b artists from England, Sweden.
and Tech N9ne
his label was bicoastal, n didnt focus on anythin. Mr X was just an artist, just like Justin Warfielfd (an african artist)
but yeah, i understand what u mean. since his most famous music sounds like "westcoast", n was made for "westcoast" artists (like 2pac, from NY) - that makes him "westcoast"? no, i disagree
point taken tho, a few of the songs he produced for Cube and Pac - shaped the sound of the westcoast in the 90's (like his Gap Band-samples)
Actually he's half Swedish yes but born in London. He's no more a Swede than American.
Don't forget he produced for Coolio too.
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yeah, u described him as a "westcoast-producer". ???
i just didnt think it was reasonable to categorize him, just because of a few songs for the Lench Mob-umbrella and a guy like 2pac.
eastcoast-based production-squad Bomb Squad produced a whole album for Ice Cube (n their music singlehandedly shaped the whole westcoast-scene in the very early 90's, n prompted DJ Pooh to switch up (before Dre started to flip P-Funk samples) - n that doenst make em westcoast, right? ???
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didnt mention Mack 10, YoYo and Kam (cuz they are Cube-affiliated acts)
n he only did 1 remix for Coolio, 1 remix for The Mexakinz tho. no productions
Jason Kidd is not a rapper
QDIII was raised in Stockholm for like 20 yrs - dudes a Swede
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i listed him among the westcoast producer. that was a shortcut that led to a mistake. my bad. but u still get my point though.
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Actually Brian I don't watch much porn either, you would be proud of me. I have a GF and I prefer her touch to masturbation. And Brain you wanna know who Tom is ? Tom is someone that has been through the storm and back and instead of blaming everyone else he grew up and accepted responsibility for his life and made positive changes. Tom is someone that doesn't have it figured out but he knows that but he still puts himself out there trying to figure it out. And Tom may be a dick at times, unsure of himself at times, unhappy with himself at time, but he knows EXACTLY who he is and who he wants to be and I work my fucking ass off getting there instead of living in the past and blaming everyone else.
And Brian the only reason I tear you down is because your still the same anger filled judgemental person you were when we first started posting here.
And tear Pac down, no I pointed out the consquences of his actions, something Pac groupies are afraid to do.
Of course. My bad. You are a great man and I am a total failure as a human being.
...and even though Pac made it to legendary status in an industry that is one of the most cut-throat businesses out there; he wasn't perfect enough. And clearly you can see that, while the 2pac groupies can't.
You are an inspiration to us all, Tom. That's why we love you because you are so inspirational for all you've been through and all you've overcome.
Where in that post did I say you were a failure as a human being Brian ? I said you were still the same judgemental hate filled person you were nearly 10 years later. No where did I say you were a failure as a human being. Those are your own words Brian, is that your own guilt speaking up ? But back to the point Brian, no where have I denied Pac reaching legendary status, no where have I denied his material. I merely pointed out the severe consquences of Pac's actions. And I'm not getting on Pac for not being perfect because no one is. And I'll be the first to say neither am I. I'm very far from perfect but for whatever reason you keep going to one ridiculous extreme to protect your hero. But one huge difference between my mistakes and Pac's is the fact my mistakes didn't kill a man and destroy a genre of music. If you don't see what Pac did to rap in the long run, you're in straight denial. To be honest I find it very disturbing that you and the fellow pac groupies can't even see or begin to think of the consquences of Pac's actions in the last year of his life. No one in this thread has disputed my points with rebuttals that have anything to do with the original subject at hand
If Pac laid around his mom couch in bitching all day, and postin on internet sites, jerkin off and watching porn and WWE.... then yeah, I guess he could of stayed out of trouble, or at least nobody would of cared whether he did wrong anyway.
Brian, look how defensive you're getting over this, its really sad. But dispute my main point. Pac's selfish actions in the last year of his life cost him his own life, another mans life, caused two children to grow up without a father, and set the rap game back god knows how many years. Brian enough of talking about how you worship him or how you think I live on my moms couch... DISPUTE THE POINT AT HAND
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But dispute my main point. Pac's selfish actions in the last year of his life cost him his own life, another mans life, caused two children to grow up without a father, and set the rap game back god knows how many years. Brian enough of talking about how you worship him or how you think I live on my moms couch... DISPUTE THE POINT AT HAND
I don't think anyone would dispute that Pac's lifestyle choices contributed to his death, which in turn naturally affected the people closest to him. Family or otherwise.
Why do you want people to argue against the obvious?
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But dispute my main point. Pac's selfish actions in the last year of his life cost him his own life, another mans life, caused two children to grow up without a father, and set the rap game back god knows how many years. Brian enough of talking about how you worship him or how you think I live on my moms couch... DISPUTE THE POINT AT HAND
I don't think anyone would dispute that Pac's lifestyle choices contributed to his death, which in turn naturally affected the people closest to him. Family or otherwise.
Why do you want people to argue against the obvious?
You still can't even fully admit he set the rap game back God knows how much and you can't admit that his greedy selfish actions caused the murder of Big and orphaned Bigs kids
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But dispute my main point. Pac's selfish actions in the last year of his life cost him his own life, another mans life, caused two children to grow up without a father, and set the rap game back god knows how many years. Brian enough of talking about how you worship him or how you think I live on my moms couch... DISPUTE THE POINT AT HAND
I don't think anyone would dispute that Pac's lifestyle choices contributed to his death, which in turn naturally affected the people closest to him. Family or otherwise.
Why do you want people to argue against the obvious?
You still can't even fully admit he set the rap game back God knows how much and you can't admit that his greedy selfish actions caused the murder of Big and orphaned Bigs kids
No one knows the answer to those questions, not even you. :-* :-* :-*
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For some reason the more I read the more I kept thinking about that scene in bad boys 2 when the pool exploded and will smith yelled "now that's funny! That's some funny shit".
That's what I think with about 65% of the new posters on here. Forums really gone downhill as of late. No offense to the new peeps that use common sense or drop knowledge, but the jackasses have run roughshod over the board.
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For some reason the more I read the more I kept thinking about that scene in bad boys 2 when the pool exploded and will smith yelled "now that's funny! That's some funny shit".
That's what I think with about 65% of the new posters on here. Forums really gone downhill as of late. No offense to the new peeps that use common sense or drop knowledge, but the jackasses have run roughshod over the board.
I've been here since the board opened in 2001
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LOL @ Tom being a "newcomer"
If Pac laid around his mom couch in bitching all day, and postin on internet sites, jerkin off and watching porn and WWE.... then yeah, I guess he could of stayed out of trouble, or at least nobody would of cared whether he did wrong anyway.
so this is why they call you infant, you get emotional and can´t discuss the topic at hand but start stomping your e-feet and crying . and stop talking about mommas couch since you´re the one who´s a spoiled little brat worshipping west coast rappers and keeping them as your role models .
this thread is good in exposing these wiggers who worship their lord and savior Tupac Amaru Shakur and still refuse to believe he was a normal human being doing a lot of dumb shit.
LMAO. Spot on. It's sad shit if you put any rapper on a pedestal and make him a role model. It's acceptable at a certain age I guess (teenage years), but as you get older you gotta change that up.
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Brian, look how defensive you're getting over this, its really sad. But dispute my main point. Pac's selfish actions in the last year of his life cost him his own life, another mans life, caused two children to grow up without a father, and set the rap game back god knows how many years. Brian enough of talking about how you worship him or how you think I live on my moms couch... DISPUTE THE POINT AT HAND
The POINT AT HAND is wrong on so many levels....
-First of all it's not a given that Pac was lying. He could of been telling the truth about everything.
-Secondly, if he wasn't telling the Exact truth, his main premise was on point.. Big and Puff were fakes, and Pac was a hero who was ridding the game of the phony and fakes and putting the West Coast on top where it belonged! Rap has never been better than it was in summer of 96' when Pac was running the industry.
-Thirdly, let's still say that what Pac did was wrong, hypothetically. You would still be a bitch-ass, jealous, playing hatin ass, white trash, Porn trash, WWE watchin, Roseanne Bar-ish, lying-ass, piece of trash because instead of pointing out all the greatness that was Pac's life, the beauty of the rose, you only want to point out the thorns. And you fail to recognize the rose that grew from the cracks of concrete. But it's your own loss, to live in this world and miss out on all it's beauty and greatness. I feel sorry for you. That's why I've tried to be nice to you, and we were cool back when but you wanted to throw away what ever friendship we had because the only role your comfortable with is being a small time bitching ass petty hater.
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-Thirdly, let's still say that what Pac did was wrong, hypothetically. You would still be a bitch-ass, jealous, playing hatin ass, white trash, Porn trash, WWE watchin, Roseanne Bar-ish, lying-ass, piece of trash
lmao
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-Thirdly, let's still say that what Pac did was wrong, hypothetically. You would still be a bitch-ass, jealous, playing hatin ass, white trash, Porn trash, WWE watchin, Roseanne Bar-ish, lying-ass, piece of trash
lmao
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-Thirdly, let's still say that what Pac did was wrong, hypothetically. You would still be a bitch-ass, jealous, playing hatin ass, white trash, Porn trash, WWE watchin, Roseanne Bar-ish, lying-ass, piece of trash
lmao
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Hey, you do realize all you have going for you is the fact that you are such a low life that you actually have no bottom... and so there is no level that is too low for you. While others have some limits. This is the only thing you have going for you. You do know that, right?
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Brian, look how defensive you're getting over this, its really sad. But dispute my main point. Pac's selfish actions in the last year of his life cost him his own life, another mans life, caused two children to grow up without a father, and set the rap game back god knows how many years. Brian enough of talking about how you worship him or how you think I live on my moms couch... DISPUTE THE POINT AT HAND
The POINT AT HAND is wrong on so many levels....
-First of all it's not a given that Pac was lying. He could of been telling the truth about everything.
-Secondly, if he wasn't telling the Exact truth, his main premise was on point.. Big and Puff were fakes, and Pac was a hero who was ridding the game of the phony and fakes and putting the West Coast on top where it belonged! Rap has never been better than it was in summer of 96' when Pac was running the industry.
-Thirdly, let's still say that what Pac did was wrong, hypothetically. You would still be a bitch-ass, jealous, playing hatin ass, white trash, Porn trash, WWE watchin, Roseanne Bar-ish, lying-ass, piece of trash because instead of pointing out all the greatness that was Pac's life, the beauty of the rose, you only want to point out the thorns. And you fail to recognize the rose that grew from the cracks of concrete. But it's your own loss, to live in this world and miss out on all it's beauty and greatness. I feel sorry for you. That's why I've tried to be nice to you, and we were cool back when but you wanted to throw away what ever friendship we had because the only role your comfortable with is being a small time bitching ass petty hater.
Brian, those closest to Pac said he knew who did what and threw Big in there to make money. Its well documented that he ran into Big at an award show and Big asked him LIKE A MAN what the deal was and Pac told him it wasn't personal, it was strictly business. Go look it up.
Second, how is Big fake ? Because pac told you he was, the same Pac that when he lined up with Suge became a fucking puppet ? That pac ? And spare me the whole west coast on top where he belongs bull shit. No coast deserves to be on top. Whoever puts out the best music deserves to be on top and last time I check, during that era everyone and their mother was putting out amazing music regardless of coast. And pac was running shit alone in 96. A lot of rappers were from Pac to Big to Wu. And let's not forget the sales increase of AEOM after he passed away. I won't deny Pac was at the top of the mountain in 96 but he wasn't alone.
And your last point maybe I'll address everything in deatil when I get home from work, its a bitch to reply by phone but its so incredibly pathetic that defending a man you have never met solicits this type of response from you. That fact that you can't even look at the potentials consquences of your hero's actions is sad as fuck you truly need help if you truly view 2pac in this light. The fact you got so defensive and personal because I attacked 2pac isn't normal behavior for a 30 year old man with a child
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Reasonable argument? HAHAHAha How dumb are you to actually think its reasonable to talk about someone's personality when you didn't even know the guy personally? You fucking idiot, you just love drama. You're a fucking straight cunt. Go watch soap operas. Stick to the music in this forum you bitch.
Apparently as dumb as you:
You guys are getting too caught up on that REAL shit. First of all what the fuck is REAL and how can you tell who is more REAL than someone else?? HAHA. I think 2Pac was real but not because of what most people talk about. I think he was REAL because he made MUSIC for everyone. H did songs like KEEP YA HEAD UP or Unconditional LOve, BRENDAS GOT A BABY, DEAR MAMA but still keeping it HIP HOP. Not many rappers could get away with that. Yes he made many mistakes and went crazy at times, but before you can criticize him for that, you need to analyze how he grew up and where he came from. The thug IMAGE he portrayed was not FALSE unless you actually were ignorant enough to think he was saying he was a THUG because he murders everyone. He always said his definition of a THUG was because he came from the GUTTER. He was from the hood, in other words. I never truly looked at him as a killer of any kind. To me he was a regular kat, that was dealing with a lot of shit that MOST 25 years old would probably not be able to handle. He went crazy, got shot and was influenced by the wrong people. He made songs expressing how he felt about his life and moment. It's COMMON and happens to many young adults. When you saw 2Pac speak on a serious note, you would than be able to understand who he really was. He was a good guy and made classic music. Wish he was still alive and grown, to be able to see him get over that time and make some more classic positive HIP HOP.
Irony much? You're a joke. You're clearly butthurt and trying to deny it is making it worse for you. How are you gonna whine about others judging Pac when you write paragraphs on the subject? Half of the posts you've made are about Pac but somehow this is the one Pac topic that shouldn't be discussed. Face the fact that you're mad and the groupie in you can't stop yourself from (dick)riding for him.
Shut your ass up you stank ho! Fucking drama queen. You never make sense.
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-Thirdly, let's still say that what Pac did was wrong, hypothetically. You would still be a bitch-ass, jealous, playing hatin ass, white trash, Porn trash, WWE watchin, Roseanne Bar-ish, lying-ass, piece of trash
lmao
(http://static.images.memegenerator.net/Instances400/7/8084/8278680.jpg)
Hey, you do realize all you have going for you is the fact that you are such a low life that you actually have no bottom... and so there is no level that is too low for you. While others have some limits. This is the only thing you have going for you. You do know that, right?
(http://day1pro.com/booking/Carl%20Thomas/carl_thomas_grande1.jpg)
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Brian, look how defensive you're getting over this, its really sad. But dispute my main point. Pac's selfish actions in the last year of his life cost him his own life, another mans life, caused two children to grow up without a father, and set the rap game back god knows how many years. Brian enough of talking about how you worship him or how you think I live on my moms couch... DISPUTE THE POINT AT HAND
The POINT AT HAND is wrong on so many levels....
-First of all it's not a given that Pac was lying. He could of been telling the truth about everything.
-Secondly, if he wasn't telling the Exact truth, his main premise was on point.. Big and Puff were fakes, and Pac was a hero who was ridding the game of the phony and fakes and putting the West Coast on top where it belonged! Rap has never been better than it was in summer of 96' when Pac was running the industry.
-Thirdly, let's still say that what Pac did was wrong, hypothetically. You would still be a bitch-ass, jealous, playing hatin ass, white trash, Porn trash, WWE watchin, Roseanne Bar-ish, lying-ass, piece of trash because instead of pointing out all the greatness that was Pac's life, the beauty of the rose, you only want to point out the thorns. And you fail to recognize the rose that grew from the cracks of concrete. But it's your own loss, to live in this world and miss out on all it's beauty and greatness. I feel sorry for you. That's why I've tried to be nice to you, and we were cool back when but you wanted to throw away what ever friendship we had because the only role your comfortable with is being a small time bitching ass petty hater.
Brian, those closest to Pac said he knew who did what and threw Big in there to make money. Its well documented that he ran into Big at an award show and Big asked him LIKE A MAN what the deal was and Pac told him it wasn't personal, it was strictly business. Go look it up.
Second, how is Big fake ? Because pac told you he was, the same Pac that when he lined up with Suge became a fucking puppet ? That pac ? And spare me the whole west coast on top where he belongs bull shit. No coast deserves to be on top. Whoever puts out the best music deserves to be on top and last time I check, during that era everyone and their mother was putting out amazing music regardless of coast. And pac was running shit alone in 96. A lot of rappers were from Pac to Big to Wu. And let's not forget the sales increase of AEOM after he passed away. I won't deny Pac was at the top of the mountain in 96 but he wasn't alone.
And your last point maybe I'll address everything in deatil when I get home from work, its a bitch to reply by phone but its so incredibly pathetic that defending a man you have never met solicits this type of response from you. That fact that you can't even look at the potentials consquences of your hero's actions is sad as fuck you truly need help if you truly view 2pac in this light. The fact you got so defensive and personal because I attacked 2pac isn't normal behavior for a 30 year old man with a child
yep...biggie was far from fake...
biggie is the same dude that tried to tell pac...not fuck with jimmy,tut, and jack...because they were shiesty... even mike tyson told him..
both times pac got shot..he was outta pocket with street niggas...he had no business fuckin with...that he was warned of..
but pac was broke at the time..his greed got the best of em...
niggas he barely knew got em in that rape case
niggas that he barely knew got em shot 94 n 96..
he was already in a studio when lil shawn's potna called for him to come ...pac shoulda told em to come where he was...but 7000 look good to a nigga who aint got shit...n since andre puffy n nem was in the studio...dude who called used andre's name as bait to assure he was gone get paid...dude prolly didnt even have 7000 to give pac..
pac got shot in 94 kuz he was hungry....
96 he wanted to prove himself as a ryder..
had he lived in 96...
he woulda blamed frank, the outlaws and fatal...since he was the only outlaw not present..hell prolly blamed bmw
pac never blamed the people that got in his ear ...but he blamed the faces that he figured would have his back...when those faces tried tellin em..
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-Thirdly, let's still say that what Pac did was wrong, hypothetically. You would still be a bitch-ass, jealous, playing hatin ass, white trash, Porn trash, WWE watchin, Roseanne Bar-ish, lying-ass, piece of trash
lmao
(http://static.images.memegenerator.net/Instances400/7/8084/8278680.jpg)
Hey, you do realize all you have going for you is the fact that you are such a low life that you actually have no bottom... and so there is no level that is too low for you. While others have some limits. This is the only thing you have going for you. You do know that, right?
(http://day1pro.com/booking/Carl%20Thomas/carl_thomas_grande1.jpg)
LOL
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Pac was a hero
It's sad shit if you put any rapper on a pedestal and make him a role model. It's acceptable at a certain age I guess (teenage years), but as you get older you gotta change that up.
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this thread should have come with a free
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for all the feelings getting caught, :loser: :nawty: :loser:
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Reasonable argument? HAHAHAha How dumb are you to actually think its reasonable to talk about someone's personality when you didn't even know the guy personally? You fucking idiot, you just love drama. You're a fucking straight cunt. Go watch soap operas. Stick to the music in this forum you bitch.
Apparently as dumb as you:
You guys are getting too caught up on that REAL shit. First of all what the fuck is REAL and how can you tell who is more REAL than someone else?? HAHA. I think 2Pac was real but not because of what most people talk about. I think he was REAL because he made MUSIC for everyone. H did songs like KEEP YA HEAD UP or Unconditional LOve, BRENDAS GOT A BABY, DEAR MAMA but still keeping it HIP HOP. Not many rappers could get away with that. Yes he made many mistakes and went crazy at times, but before you can criticize him for that, you need to analyze how he grew up and where he came from. The thug IMAGE he portrayed was not FALSE unless you actually were ignorant enough to think he was saying he was a THUG because he murders everyone. He always said his definition of a THUG was because he came from the GUTTER. He was from the hood, in other words. I never truly looked at him as a killer of any kind. To me he was a regular kat, that was dealing with a lot of shit that MOST 25 years old would probably not be able to handle. He went crazy, got shot and was influenced by the wrong people. He made songs expressing how he felt about his life and moment. It's COMMON and happens to many young adults. When you saw 2Pac speak on a serious note, you would than be able to understand who he really was. He was a good guy and made classic music. Wish he was still alive and grown, to be able to see him get over that time and make some more classic positive HIP HOP.
Irony much? You're a joke. You're clearly butthurt and trying to deny it is making it worse for you. How are you gonna whine about others judging Pac when you write paragraphs on the subject? Half of the posts you've made are about Pac but somehow this is the one Pac topic that shouldn't be discussed. Face the fact that you're mad and the groupie in you can't stop yourself from (dick)riding for him.
Shut your ass up you stank ho! Fucking drama queen. You never make sense.
Stop crying. If you can write paragraphs talking about how Pac was your hero and a good guy then we can point out his many faults and fuckups. You're mad and I've exposed you.
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no doubt...dude is mad as fuck.
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Pac's selfish actions in the last year of his life cost him his own life, another mans life, caused two children to grow up without a father, and set the rap game back god knows how many years. Brian enough of talking about how you worship him or how you think I live on my moms couch... DISPUTE THE POINT AT HAND
I think that's a little much to put on one man. Especially since Big died after Pac did. The reality was the situation had blown up because of a lot of people. In hindsight, we can say "Oh! They shouldn't have done that" but at that time, there was no tragic event of that magnitude to use as an example of what could happen if things got out of hand. Pac was moving at such a speed that he needed that break. If you look at the prison interview he did for Vibe, when he was sobered up, he had a very introspective way about himself. The last few interviews he had done, he seemed to be moving away from the Bad Boy drama a little. I think, had he not been shot or even survived the shooting, I think he eventually would have moved away from the beef direction a little.
Big's kids growing up without a father is terrible but Pac wasn't the one who orphaned them. Biggie kind of fell into the same trap as Pac in not having people around to explain certain things. Going to Cali was dangerous and a lot of people knew that and didn't look out for him like they should have. Going there less than six months after Pac died, while Suge is locked up, was just a poor move. Topping that off by doing lyrics from "Long Kiss Goodnight" as a throwaway freestyle on the radio where people are gonna view that as a shot against Pac was a no-no. Big had a similar vibe when Tha Dogg Pound was shooting "New York, New York" out in NYC so I can't see how he didn't know how the public would take that. He'd already been through this in Oakland with the E-40 incident so where was somebody to say, "Hey, Biggie. L.A. might be hot right now. Maybe this ain't a good idea"?
Brian, those closest to Pac said he knew who did what and threw Big in there to make money. Its well documented that he ran into Big at an award show and Big asked him LIKE A MAN what the deal was and Pac told him it wasn't personal, it was strictly business. Go look it up.
That's not exactly "well-documented". The only time I heard that was from Voletta Wallace in an interview, many years after the fact, quoting something her son told her. That's not to say Voletta was lying but that's basically a pretty big game of telephone there.
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Pac's selfish actions in the last year of his life cost him his own life, another mans life, caused two children to grow up without a father, and set the rap game back god knows how many years. Brian enough of talking about how you worship him or how you think I live on my moms couch... DISPUTE THE POINT AT HAND
I think that's a little much to put on one man. Especially since Big died after Pac did. The reality was the situation had blown up because of a lot of people. In hindsight, we can say "Oh! They shouldn't have done that" but at that time, there was no tragic event of that magnitude to use as an example of what could happen if things got out of hand. Pac was moving at such a speed that he needed that break. If you look at the prison interview he did for Vibe, when he was sobered up, he had a very introspective way about himself. The last few interviews he had done, he seemed to be moving away from the Bad Boy drama a little. I think, had he not been shot or even survived the shooting, I think he eventually would have moved away from the beef direction a little.
Big's kids growing up without a father is terrible but Pac wasn't the one who orphaned them. Biggie kind of fell into the same trap as Pac in not having people around to explain certain things. Going to Cali was dangerous and a lot of people knew that and didn't look out for him like they should have. Going there less than six months after Pac died, while Suge is locked up, was just a poor move. Topping that off by doing lyrics from "Long Kiss Goodnight" as a throwaway freestyle on the radio where people are gonna view that as a shot against Pac was a no-no. Big had a similar vibe when Tha Dogg Pound was shooting "New York, New York" out in NYC so I can't see how he didn't know how the public would take that. He'd already been through this in Oakland with the E-40 incident so where was somebody to say, "Hey, Biggie. L.A. might be hot right now. Maybe this ain't a good idea"?
Brian, those closest to Pac said he knew who did what and threw Big in there to make money. Its well documented that he ran into Big at an award show and Big asked him LIKE A MAN what the deal was and Pac told him it wasn't personal, it was strictly business. Go look it up.
That's not exactly "well-documented". The only time I heard that was from Voletta Wallace in an interview, many years after the fact, quoting something her son told her. That's not to say Voletta was lying but that's basically a pretty big game of telephone there.
what I don't get is why would you need another person to tell you that "cali ain't a safe place for you right now big"...he's a grown ass man, he shoulda known better himself...especially after e-40 had him by the balls in the bay he should have know that LA's just as bad as oakland at the time and people were still mourning pac too...
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The last few interviews he had done, he seemed to be moving away from the Bad Boy drama a little. I think, had he not been shot or even survived the shooting, I think he eventually would have moved away from the beef direction a little.
yeah sure that explains why he put the beatdown on a dude the night he was killed. Calming down my ass.
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yeah we all knew Pac, biggie, Orlando, Puffy, and Suge personally so all of this makes sense. i'm with it!
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another PC gangsta tryin to take a shot at Pac. Did puffy send u to this westcoast site to spread hate??? wot a joke of a human being.u wanna take a long listen to hit em up u bitch and just think if pac was still alive how far in tha rap game he would be. how can u say u loved listening to 2pac then years later diss him 4 wot u have heard on tha net? 2pac was a poet,tha shakespeare of our time.there will never be anotha,R.I.P 2pac..
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another PC gangsta tryin to take a shot at Pac. Did puffy send u to this westcoast site to spread hate??? wot a joke of a human being.u wanna take a long listen to hit em up u bitch and just think if pac was still alive how far in tha rap game he would be. how can u say u loved listening to 2pac then years later diss him 4 wot u have heard on tha net? 2pac was a poet,tha shakespeare of our time.there will never be anotha,R.I.P 2pac..
see, this here is a wigger , a basic example of one . i´m guessing this one has a tupac tattoo . it´s listening to Troublesome ´96 while pounding it´s fingers on the keyboard. Tupac´s angry lyrics is giving it more strength so it dares to defend it´s hero on a discussion board . it calls itself Killathugg. nice. hell yeah.
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PC gangstas? Where are y'all at? Identify yourselves ya cowards!!!!
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another PC gangsta tryin to take a shot at Pac. Did puffy send u to this westcoast site to spread hate??? wot a joke of a human being.u wanna take a long listen to hit em up u bitch and just think if pac was still alive how far in tha rap game he would be. how can u say u loved listening to 2pac then years later diss him 4 wot u have heard on tha net? 2pac was a poet,tha shakespeare of our time.there will never be anotha,R.I.P 2pac..
see, this here is a wigger , a basic example of one . i´m guessing this one has a tupac tattoo . it´s listening to Troublesome ´96 while pounding it´s fingers on the keyboard. Tupac´s angry lyrics is giving it more strength so it dares to defend it´s hero on a discussion board . it calls itself Killathugg. nice. hell yeah.
spot on tut, another white european lad from the suburb trying to find his place in this grimey world of westcoast music... It's like this site breeds or adopts them. :nahnah:
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Pac was a loose cannon towards the end of his career. However, im not gonna put the blame of biggie's death on pac cause if u look at the grand scheme of things of how both murders of pac & big accured, it is way bigger than most can understand. Plus, jimmy pretty much articulates why else i dont see pac being responsible for his death.
I think that's a little much to put on one man. Especially since Big died after Pac did. The reality was the situation had blown up because of a lot of people. In hindsight, we can say "Oh! They shouldn't have done that" but at that time, there was no tragic event of that magnitude to use as an example of what could happen if things got out of hand. Pac was moving at such a speed that he needed that break. If you look at the prison interview he did for Vibe, when he was sobered up, he had a very introspective way about himself. The last few interviews he had done, he seemed to be moving away from the Bad Boy drama a little. I think, had he not been shot or even survived the shooting, I think he eventually would have moved away from the beef direction a little.
Big's kids growing up without a father is terrible but Pac wasn't the one who orphaned them. Biggie kind of fell into the same trap as Pac in not having people around to explain certain things. Going to Cali was dangerous and a lot of people knew that and didn't look out for him like they should have. Going there less than six months after Pac died, while Suge is locked up, was just a poor move. Topping that off by doing lyrics from "Long Kiss Goodnight" as a throwaway freestyle on the radio where people are gonna view that as a shot against Pac was a no-no. Big had a similar vibe when Tha Dogg Pound was shooting "New York, New York" out in NYC so I can't see how he didn't know how the public would take that. He'd already been through this in Oakland with the E-40 incident so where was somebody to say, "Hey, Biggie. L.A. might be hot right now. Maybe this ain't a good idea"?
Brian, those closest to Pac said he knew who did what and threw Big in there to make money. Its well documented that he ran into Big at an award show and Big asked him LIKE A MAN what the deal was and Pac told him it wasn't personal, it was strictly business. Go look it up.
That's not exactly "well-documented". The only time I heard that was from Voletta Wallace in an interview, many years after the fact, quoting something her son told her. That's not to say Voletta was lying but that's basically a pretty big game of telephone there.
Also, i see how some of ya like to catch these fools slippin and as soon as they show some sign of anger by the words they choose to use and the context they put em in, ya either taunt them by saying you mad, u butthurt, u catching feelings etc. or ya post some caption pic to emphasize the point of how mad or emotional they're being lol i can tell ya get a kick out of that but i cant blame ya for using those tactics on mofos, its real easy to do when they're not objectively arguing the important points u raise.
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Funny how these threads get more about God Status Forum eGangstaz (yawn) vs the eSimps (everyone else).
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Funny how these threads get more about God Status Forum eGangstaz (yawn) vs the eSimps (everyone else).
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I don't know why anyone would fight the notion 2pac wasn't a very good person. It doesn't take away what an amazing artist he was. Edgar Allen Poe was a piece of shit as a person, doesn't mean he isn't one of the most gifted poets in human history
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Bumped in attempt for 10 more pages. You're welcome.
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I don't know why anyone would fight the notion 2pac wasn't a very good person. It doesn't take away what an amazing artist he was. Edgar Allen Poe was a piece of shit as a person, doesn't mean he isn't one of the most gifted poets in human history
No one in this thread denied that about Pac, no one ever questioned 2pac's talent. This thread is about his actions and violence and how they caused another man to die,orphaned two children, and set the rap game back God knows how long. I don't know why the dickriders always bring up his talent, his talent was never brought into question.
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No one in this thread denied that about Pac, no one ever questioned 2pac's talent. This thread is about his actions and violence and how they caused another man to die,orphaned two children, and set the rap game back God knows how long. I don't know why the dickriders always bring up his talent, his talent was never brought into question.
Meanwhile in Prodigal Son's bedroom...
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2Pac not back.
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No one in this thread denied that about Pac, no one ever questioned 2pac's talent. This thread is about his actions and violence and how they caused another man to die,orphaned two children, and set the rap game back God knows how long. I don't know why the dickriders always bring up his talent, his talent was never brought into question.
Meanwhile in Prodigal Son's bedroom...
(http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/296/madvoodoodollnecklaceby.jpg)
2Pac not back.
So just because I don't worship Pac and I call out his character flaws that resulted in tragic results for a number of people, that means I have a 2pac voodoo doll. C'mon son
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So just because I don't worship Pac and I call out his character flaws
2 extremes.
You don't see the chance of you or anyone else just liking his music? It's got to be Worship or Traducement and nothing in between?
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This thread is about his actions and violence and how they caused another man to die,orphaned two children, and set the rap game back God knows how long.
Throwing that on all his shoulders is bullshit.
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This thread is about his actions and violence and how they caused another man to die,orphaned two children, and set the rap game back God knows how long.
Throwing that on all his shoulders is bullshit.
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LOL he watches WRESTLING ! nuff said.
LMAO my lil cuzzo watches that shit and he's in 5th grade. he also listens to justen bieber and black eyed peas.
you obviously have daddy issues....you made this shit up about Pac after ultimate warrior went on his rant about hulk hogan. so now you want to do similar shit too Pac's name. to quote Cee-Lo, "you must be gay"
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I don't know why anyone would fight the notion 2pac wasn't a very good person. It doesn't take away what an amazing artist he was. Edgar Allen Poe was a piece of shit as a person, doesn't mean he isn't one of the most gifted poets in human history
Pac was not only a great artists but he was also a great person, and it all goes hand in hand anyway. You can't separate a man from his art like that.
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I don't know why anyone would fight the notion 2pac wasn't a very good person. It doesn't take away what an amazing artist he was. Edgar Allen Poe was a piece of shit as a person, doesn't mean he isn't one of the most gifted poets in human history
Pac was not only a great artists but he was also a great person, and it all goes hand in hand anyway. You can't separate a man from his art like that.
Yes, actually you can. Unless your an idiot. Having talent doesn't mean your a good person. Being an artist doesn't wipe the slate clean. I can hundreds of examples. 2pac was intelligent and incredibly talented. But he was also a hypocritical, obnoxious douche
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Pac was not only a great artists but he was also a great person, and it all goes hand in hand anyway. You can't separate a man from his art like that.
Of course you can. Just because a person is creatively a genius does not mean that translates to their qualities as a human being.
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Yes, actually you can. Unless your an idiot. Having talent doesn't mean your a good person. Being an artist doesn't wipe the slate clean. I can hundreds of examples. 2pac was intelligent and incredibly talented. But he was also a hypocritical, obnoxious douche
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yeah but how are you sapose to act when your back is against the wall. FBI breathing down your neck, local law inforcment watching your every move, not to mention dealing with the devil, GANGS, also owing millions to people. talk about pressure, athletes commit suicide when under pressure and all they are doing is playing a sport the shit they teach you in school. so for Pac not blowing his brains out.....give the man some luv and let him rest in peace.
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Most of those problems he brought on himself. You don't see Talib or common in those situations now do you?
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Most of those problems he brought on himself. You don't see Talib or common in those situations now do you?
You guys are some pretentious fucks... Did it ever occur to you that Talib and Common may have had a different upbringing than Pac did? Or that the challenges Pac faced at the top of the game in hip-hop were far more difficult than Talib and Common selling wood and gold in todays market?
That's no different than an arm chair quarterback on Sunday who thinks he knows what the Quarterback should've done. All from the comfort of his own couch. But he doesn't know all that went into it... he doesn't know how challenging the game really is, he doesn't know about the blitz packages that rushed the QB's throws, about receivers that ran the wrong routes, about bad coaches that put the QB in an unwinnable position, or about an injury that occured to the QB in practice the previous week that is effecting his throws. Or about pressure from family, or fans, or media, or anything...
Pac created "culture". I know you guys are too ignorant to ever understand the value of that. But 2pac actually created joys and pleasures that weren't in existence before him. He enhanced the quality of people's lives, he inspired them to do good things, and he was an outlet and a therapeutic escape for people during hard times. This world is a far better place because Pac lived in it.
...Look, Pac had his demons. And he knew that, he wrote about his demons, he knew how to express all sides of his character, something that most rappers and most people in general are too weak to do. But that's partly why we loved Pac was because his life was an open book and he shared it with the world, and the world is a better place for having known Pac.
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Your a niave child romanticizing a false fatherhood figure
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Your a niave child romanticizing a false fatherhood figure
Nice use of the word romanticizing.
I really thought you were an idiot, because you troll so much :cheers:
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you should change ur name to OBGYN WILL B
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The point is that Pac is a rose that grew from the cracks of concrete. He wrote that poem for a reason. And the reason he wrote that poem is for this very day, when years after his passing people would unknowingly criticize the tattered petals and thorns... and fail to see that a rose grew from the cracks of the concrete when nobody cared.
And you're calling other people "pretentious"?
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Pac created "culture". I know you guys are too ignorant to ever understand the value of that. But 2pac actually created joys and pleasures that weren't in existence before him. He enhanced the quality of people's lives, he inspired them to do good things, and he was an outlet and a therapeutic escape for people during hard times. This world is a far better place because Pac lived in it.
+1 for making me laugh.
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So just because I don't worship Pac and I call out his character flaws
2 extremes.
You don't see the chance of you or anyone else just liking his music? It's got to be Worship or Traducement and nothing in between?
I'm getting death threats in my PM's and personally attacked in this thread lmao. And you think I sit at home with a 2pac voodoo doll.
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LOL he watches WRESTLING ! nuff said.
LMAO my lil cuzzo watches that shit and he's in 5th grade. he also listens to justen bieber and black eyed peas.
you obviously have daddy issues....you made this shit up about Pac after ultimate warrior went on his rant about hulk hogan. so now you want to do similar shit too Pac's name. to quote Cee-Lo, "you must be gay"
I haven't watched wrestling in several years, go ahead and check he wrestling thread and see the last time I ever posted in there if I ever have. And I heard something about the Ultimate Warrior go off on Hogan but you know about it too so whats that saying about yourself. You just made an ass out of yourself. Your entire analogy makes sense. I'm calling out Pac for what he did so that means I'm gay, yeah that makes sense.... fucking moron.
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"Pac created 'culture'" LOL. Quote of the century.
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I don't know why anyone would fight the notion 2pac wasn't a very good person. It doesn't take away what an amazing artist he was. Edgar Allen Poe was a piece of shit as a person, doesn't mean he isn't one of the most gifted poets in human history
Pac was not only a great artists but he was also a great person, and it all goes hand in hand anyway. You can't separate a man from his art like that.
Yes, actually you can. Unless your an idiot. Having talent doesn't mean your a good person. Being an artist doesn't wipe the slate clean. I can hundreds of examples. 2pac was intelligent and incredibly talented. But he was also a hypocritical, obnoxious douche
If I could prop you for this I would, as for you Jimmy H. Some people get it, majority here don't though
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Most of those problems he brought on himself. You don't see Talib or common in those situations now do you?
You guys are some pretentious fucks... Did it ever occur to you that Talib and Common may have had a different upbringing than Pac did? Or that the challenges Pac faced at the top of the game in hip-hop were far more difficult than Talib and Common selling wood and gold in todays market?
That's no different than an arm chair quarterback on Sunday who thinks he knows what the Quarterback should've done. All from the comfort of his own couch. But he doesn't know all that went into it... he doesn't know how challenging the game really is, he doesn't know about the blitz packages that rushed the QB's throws, about receivers that ran the wrong routes, about bad coaches that put the QB in an unwinnable position, or about an injury that occured to the QB in practice the previous week that is effecting his throws. Or about pressure from family, or fans, or media, or anything...
Pac created "culture". I know you guys are too ignorant to ever understand the value of that. But 2pac actually created joys and pleasures that weren't in existence before him. He enhanced the quality of people's lives, he inspired them to do good things, and he was an outlet and a therapeutic escape for people during hard times. This world is a far better place because Pac lived in it.
You can measure a man by how he grows and learns from his negative upbringing. You can choose to use that as excuse for your fucked up behavior or you can grow and move away from it. So basically Pac took the easy way out and instead of growing and using his negative upbringing to do good he used it as an excuse
And you're culture paragraph his HIGHLY disturbing. Brian man to man and keep it 100, you love 2pac more than your own son ? You would sacrifice you're own son to bring back Pac, wouldn't you. And I'm not saying that to diss you or anything but the way you defend Pac is psychotic. When talk about how your a deadbeat dad and how another man raises your seed and you barely say a word almost like you could care less about that. But we diss Pac and we see a side of you we have never seen. Son for real if this web shit is indicative of your mind state maybe you should seek professional help or jump ship to a new religion. Maybe look into Buddhism. Maybe take a retreat into the mountains and get a grasp on reality. And I swear on everything holy I'm not saying this to diss you or get lulz or whatever but the pedestal you put this man on isn't healthy.
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Yes, actually you can. Unless your an idiot. Having talent doesn't mean your a good person. Being an artist doesn't wipe the slate clean. I can hundreds of examples. 2pac was intelligent and incredibly talented. But he was also a hypocritical, obnoxious douche
yeah but how are you sapose to act when your back is against the wall. FBI breathing down your neck, local law inforcment watching your every move, not to mention dealing with the devil, GANGS, also owing millions to people. talk about pressure, athletes commit suicide when under pressure and all they are doing is playing a sport the shit they teach you in school. so for Pac not blowing his brains out.....give the man some luv and let him rest in peace.
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Yup pro athletes killing themselves all the time, it's like a weekly thing.....fucking moron.
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Tom, this shit is way bigger than what you are talking about. I know you are simple minded and it's harder for you to grasp deeper concepts. Really, I don't want to hurt your brain. My only purpose here is to defend Pac's legacy, because it meant something very real.
See, what you don't understand is, while you are playing armchair Quarterback; Pac was living out his destiny. You can't fuck with another man's destiny. Pac's destiny was to be one of the greatest artists this world has ever known. In your own, little world, that is not something that you can even begin to wrap your mind around. See Pac had a destiny to be the greatest of All-time and to do something rarely done in the art world.. to live a life that imitated art, and have your art imitate your life. This was an amazing feet, and it was his destiny. He fulfilled that, he fulfilled his dreams. And he knew it was also his destiny to die young, you hear it in all his songs. He prophecized that.
I know you guys will laugh and play the sarcastic role. Because your lives really aren't that meaningful. So it's harder for you guys to see the deeper meaning in all this. It makes you nervous because it only exposes the lack of meaning in your own lives. If only everybody could be low on your level, you could have a shred of self-esteem.
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By the way Tom, as for you making Pac out to be a liar, you may have seen the other threads about statements from prison being made by one of Big's associates who was involved in the 94' shooting/robbery of 2pac.
Dexter Issaic, one of the shooters and robbers of 2pac has just recently issued a statement in which he refers to Biggie as his "friend Biggie". They were friends, and likely associates. You can't say it's not possible that Big didn't know what went on that night. That he couldn't of helped Pac and let Pac known what was up. It's very possible that Biggie really did betray Pac.
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hello whiteman
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Tom, this shit is way bigger than what you are talking about. I know you are simple minded and it's harder for you to grasp deeper concepts. Really, I don't want to hurt your brain. My only purpose here is to defend Pac's legacy, because it meant something very real.
See, what you don't understand is, while you are playing armchair Quarterback; Pac was living out his destiny. You can't fuck with another man's destiny. Pac's destiny was to be one of the greatest artists this world has ever known. In your own, little world, that is not something that you can even begin to wrap your mind around. See Pac had a destiny to be the greatest of All-time and to do something rarely done in the art world.. to live a life that imitated art, and have your art imitate your life. This was an amazing feet, and it was his destiny. He fulfilled that, he fulfilled his dreams. And he knew it was also his destiny to die young, you hear it in all his songs. He prophecized that.
I know you guys will laugh and play the sarcastic role. Because your lives really aren't that meaningful. So it's harder for you guys to see the deeper meaning in all this. It makes you nervous because it only exposes the lack of meaning in your own lives. If only everybody could be low on your level, you could have a shred of self-esteem.
Yup Brian that it, my small brain can't comprehend it. It's funny, the person who has never had an original thought in his life, well thats not true, your God like worshiping of Pac is of your own sick and demented psyche. But the man who has never had an original thought in his life. Brian we know your M.O. you basically take whats the hot counter culture at the time and run with it and regurgitate what you have been told without questioning it. You eventually change it up when it blows up in your face. Yet I'm the simple minded one, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Answer the question Brian, do you love 2pac more than your own son ? Would bring 2pac back in exchange for your son ?
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By the way Tom, as for you making Pac out to be a liar, you may have seen the other threads about statements from prison being made by one of Big's associates who was involved in the 94' shooting/robbery of 2pac.
Dexter Issaic, one of the shooters and robbers of 2pac has just recently issued a statement in which he refers to Biggie as his "friend Biggie". They were friends, and likely associates. You can't say it's not possible that Big didn't know what went on that night. That he couldn't of helped Pac and let Pac known what was up. It's very possible that Biggie really did betray Pac.
That Issac, he really is the most reliable source. He is only doing life for Murder, Robbery, and Fraud. Now I know I'm not the deepest thinker as you would say but try and get down to my simple minded level. Isn't possible the gov't is using Issac as an informant, even though he says he isn't but a lot of informants have said that, just to build a case against Henchman ? Our federal gov't that has a rich history of using quite possibly even more heinous criminals back on the streets as informants so they can get someone else ? And where in any of this did Issac say Big set him up ? He said he was friends with Big. A lot of people claim to be friends with someone else when in actuality it's was nothing more than a passing acquaintance. A lot of times people like to exaggerate the relationship the have with others. And I don't see how Big set up pac when cats like Henchman and King Tut are the exact cats Big was warning Pac about ? C'mon Bri, for someone that is such a deep thinker, you're one dumb fuck.
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This thread is about his actions and violence and how they caused another man to die,orphaned two children, and set the rap game back God knows how long.
Throwing that on all his shoulders is bullshit.
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What an insightful thread this has been to read... :laugh:
This has really made me think about the lack of humanitarians there are in hip hop. :'(
In fact many probably...cheat on their taxes, toss away recyclables, father children out of wedlock and or perpetuate violence.
Maybe C. Delores Tucker was right after all ???
This has got me thinking that maybe this could spinoff the start of a series of new threads.
"Let's be real about B-Legit for a minute" or "Let's be real about Coolio for a minute".
Every thread would leave no stone unturned, exposing tax cheats, wife beaters, dope fiends, masons & deadbeat dads.
Anyone who listens to _______ artist will be forced to re-evaluate who really has control of their heart & mind.
Well I must go now, I have a stack of CD's to burn.
Here's a suggestion for the next "Let's be real for a minute" thread.........
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2115/mchammero.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/mchammero.jpg/)
MC Hammer
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Well, to be fair how many times do you see B-Legit or MC Hammer refereed to as modern day prophets who lived out their destinies to become the greatest and most real artists in music history?
Tupac Shakur was a great artist, arguably one of the greatest in the history of hip-hop. He said some deep and very profound things that touched a lot of people. No denying that. He's also a favorite artist of mine. The negative bullshit being said is something I'm not particularly fond of. But that being said even I have to roll my eyes at Infinite's comments.
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Well, to be fair how many times do you see B-Legit or MC Hammer refereed to as modern day prophets who lived out their destinies to become the greatest and most real artists in music history?
I haven't, but...In the interest of fairness NOT ONE artist or group should be overlooked whether it be a Modern Day Prophet or the Bottom of The Totem Pole. We may never know the day or time that B-Legit or MC Hammer's loyal fanbase will rear their heads to extole their virtues to the world. At least we will be armed & ready with the knowledge to quell any uprising that could happen.
Better to be safe than sorry. :laugh:
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I'm with you. Don't forget Rahzel either. Don't let him off the hook.
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I'm with you. Don't forget Rahzel either. Don't let him off the hook.
Co-Sign !
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2Pac is part of online culture...if the internet wasn't getting big in the late 90's we wouldn't have all these weirdo lock-in kids that grew up on the 'culture'.
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Tom, this shit is way bigger than what you are talking about. I know you are simple minded and it's harder for you to grasp deeper concepts. Really, I don't want to hurt your brain. My only purpose here is to defend Pac's legacy, because it meant something very real.
See, what you don't understand is, while you are playing armchair Quarterback; Pac was living out his destiny. You can't fuck with another man's destiny. Pac's destiny was to be one of the greatest artists this world has ever known. In your own, little world, that is not something that you can even begin to wrap your mind around. See Pac had a destiny to be the greatest of All-time and to do something rarely done in the art world.. to live a life that imitated art, and have your art imitate your life. This was an amazing feet, and it was his destiny. He fulfilled that, he fulfilled his dreams. And he knew it was also his destiny to die young, you hear it in all his songs. He prophecized that.
I know you guys will laugh and play the sarcastic role. Because your lives really aren't that meaningful. So it's harder for you guys to see the deeper meaning in all this. It makes you nervous because it only exposes the lack of meaning in your own lives. If only everybody could be low on your level, you could have a shred of self-esteem.
cor jerk to Pac much?
(http://i2.dealtwith.it/i/n/96dcba3ddc770a1ed39c4d7dc968397c/Kumar4.gif)
anyway i thought muslim extremists were meant to hate everything to do with the western world including music, your slippin son.
(http://i3.dealtwith.it/i/n/28feebd04229296617234510160a8062/Kumar3.gif)
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I've done a little reading into the subject and I want to set the record straight on the 'rape' conviction people are talking about here.
This is a quote from the book The FBI War on Tupac Shakur and Black Leaders (http://www.amazon.com/Tupac-Shakur-Black-Leaders-Intelligences/dp/0979146909)
"Shakur was convicted of three of the nine charges, relating only to non-consensual touching of Jackson's buttocks (typically reported only as "sexual abuse"), and sentenced to one-and-a-half to four-and-a-half years, an extremely harsh sentence."
So, touching of the buttocks is what he was convicted of. That paints a different picture than rape, doesn't it? Even more so, knowing that they would probably have LOVED to put him away for rape.
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I've done a little reading into the subject and I want to set the record straight on the 'rape' conviction people are talking about here.
This is a quote from the book The FBI War on Tupac Shakur and Black Leaders (http://www.amazon.com/Tupac-Shakur-Black-Leaders-Intelligences/dp/0979146909)
"Shakur was convicted of three of the nine charges, relating only to non-consensual touching of Jackson's buttocks (typically reported only as "sexual abuse"), and sentenced to one-and-a-half to four-and-a-half years, an extremely harsh sentence."
So, touching of the buttocks is what he was convicted of. That paints a different picture than rape, doesn't it? Even more so, knowing that they would probably have LOVED to put him away for rape.
I agree, the rape charges against Pac were bull shit but I'm not here to discuss that I never mentioned it at all.
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And you think I sit at home with a 2pac voodoo doll.
I'll let you into a little secret, I don't really think that. :banana_llama:
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I agree, the rape charges against Pac were bull shit but I'm not here to discuss that I never mentioned it at all.
Yeah I know, but it is mentioned twice on the first page, so I felt I should set the record straight on that one.
Not just that, but he fucked up, got locked up with a rape conviction
He was about to go to jail for rape.
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What an insightful thread this has been to read... :laugh:
This has really made me think about the lack of humanitarians there are in hip hop. :'(
In fact many probably...cheat on their taxes, toss away recyclables, father children out of wedlock and or perpetuate violence.
Maybe C. Delores Tucker was right after all ???
This has got me thinking that maybe this could spinoff the start of a series of new threads.
"Let's be real about B-Legit for a minute" or "Let's be real about Coolio for a minute".
Every thread would leave no stone unturned, exposing tax cheats, wife beaters, dope fiends, masons & deadbeat dads.
Anyone who listens to _______ artist will be forced to re-evaluate who really has control of their heart & mind.
Well I must go now, I have a stack of CD's to burn.
Here's a suggestion for the next "Let's be real for a minute" thread.........
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2115/mchammero.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/707/mchammero.jpg/)
MC Hammer
lol 8) 8)
Yeah, I wanted to stop listening to Pac after Tom made me realize that it's Pac's fault that Biggie's kids won't grow up with a Dad and that they will now suffer out the rest of their days in great toil and humiliation. All because of Pac being a liar.
Tom... I want to know what you think. I was considering making Common and Talib Kweli my new role models. Because a couple of your friends on this thread suggested that they never got into trouble like Pac did. I was just wondering though, if their black nationalism in their lyrics might be an issue. Because I am a white male, and if I said Common and Talib Kweli are both good men and good rappers, it may mean I have an identity crisis or that I am fueled by "white guilt". So I just wanted to check with you first to see if you approved of the lifestyles of Common and Talib Kweli before I replaced Pac and made them my new hero's?
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Tom... I want to know what you think. I was considering making Common and Talib Kweli my new role models. Because a couple of your friends on this thread suggested that they never got into trouble like Pac did. I was just wondering though, if their black nationalism in their lyrics might be an issue. Because I am a white male, and if I said Common and Talib Kweli are both good men and good rappers, it may mean I have an identity crisis or that I am fueled by "white guilt". So I just wanted to check with you first to see if you approved of the lifestyles of Common and Talib Kweli before I replaced Pac and made them my new hero's?
Damn. I Think what you obviously need is a more perfect version of Eminem.
What about Everlast? :laugh:
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Brian, your so lost as a human being that it's actually depressing
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Brian, your so lost as a human being that it's actually depressing
These words are exactly my thoughts. I was going to respond to his post about 2pac creating culture but i said fuck it and logged out.
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Brian, your so lost as a human being that it's actually depressing
No really. I am going to start talking with Tom more to figure out how to turn my life around. I'm starting to understand the fundamental principals.
-It's okay to like a rappers music, but you have to understand that the bottom line is they are niggers. They are only here to entertain us, but don't get confused and start considering them to be "good people". Because we all know that a black rapping nigger is not a good person. It's just a phase we go through in adolescence, liking niggers and whatnot.
-Again, it's okay to like 2pac's music, or any rapper for that matter, it can be okay to like some of them. But always remember, not to like anything too much. You have to go with the general consensus. People might think your wierd if you really like a rapper a lot. So it's better to just say you like him a little. Or one good way to make sure you don't appear to be liking a rapper too much, is you should always downplay the importance of their best selling album, (such as All Eyes On Me) and you should always consider a lesser selling album such as Me Against The World, to be their best. Because the last thing you want to do is act like you are too big a fan of anything. Cause in the end these are just niggers we are talking about.
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Brian has to go to one extreme to another just to justify his beliefs. Brian where in this thread have mentioned white guilt ? Why are you bringing up something I never mentioned. As a matter of fact when is the last time I even mentioned white guilt. Others have, I won't deny that. But I get on you for other things but thanks for bringing up something that I never once discussed. And your whole don't look up to rappers because they're niggers is disgusting. No one in that thread ever said anything like. And the fact that your mind went there really says a lot about you and your real feeling for african americans. The fact your mind went to that ridiculous extreme shows what a down low racist you really are. You're a disgusting vile piece of shit.
And why won't you answer the question Brian ? Do you love 2pac more than your own son ? If Allah cam down right now and said Brian I'll bring back 2pac but I have to take your son, would you do that deal ?
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Wow.... Or maybe just don't pick a criminal as a role model, regardless of race.
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Wow.... Or maybe just don't pick a criminal as a role model, regardless of race.
Or entertainer... considering the fact I'm a grown man I really don't need to follow and worship another man like he is some god like figure. I guess that makes me a racist some how.
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Wow.... Or maybe just don't pick a criminal as a role model, regardless of race.
Right. I really have to thank you and Tom. I've realized so much from talking to the two of you.
From Tom, I've now I've come to the realization that I'm actually a racist. And that I was only projecting my racist agenda onto Tom because I still had not yet recognized it consciously.
...and Jaydc, I have now learned from you the importance of following all government laws and regulations, that have been put in place by such great men as George W. Bush, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan, John McCain, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, and countless other great politicians who have added and amended the constitution to put such laws in place. For without these laws, I would not know how to behave. I would probably drive 75 miles an hour on the local freeway instead of the allotted 70 miles an hour.
Or even worse I may become a sexual criminal like 2pac and touch women's booty's. Or use illicit drugs such as marijuana, rather than the doctor prescribed pain meds such as Vicodin.
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Brian has to go to one extreme to another just to justify his beliefs. Brian where in this thread have mentioned white guilt ? Why are you bringing up something I never mentioned. As a matter of fact when is the last time I even mentioned white guilt. Others have, I won't deny that. But I get on you for other things but thanks for bringing up something that I never once discussed. And your whole don't look up to rappers because they're niggers is disgusting. No one in that thread ever said anything like. And the fact that your mind went there really says a lot about you and your real feeling for african americans. The fact your mind went to that ridiculous extreme shows what a down low racist you really are. You're a disgusting vile piece of shit.
And why won't you answer the question Brian ? Do you love 2pac more than your own son ? If Allah cam down right now and said Brian I'll bring back 2pac but I have to take your son, would you do that deal ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
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Wow.... Or maybe just don't pick a criminal as a role model, regardless of race.
Hahaha that's just pathetic!
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Brian, what the fuck are you rambling about. Why can't you argue the point at hand. Why do you find the need to go some ridiculous tangent that argues one extreme that the only way that it's comparable is if you look at in a really abstract way that is reaching like crazy. You go off about how we aren't deep thinkers yet you can't even argue the point without throwing a tantrum like a small child. You went to one riduculos extreme, doing that doesn't make you a deep thinker. It just shows your level of maturity.
And answer my question Brian, do you love 2pac more than your own son ? The fact it is taking this long for you to answer is really worrisome.
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So brian how do you excuse 2pac partaking in gang activity, shootings and beatings? That's hero material is it? Talking about gunning down children in his diss songs? That's your role model?
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So brian how do you excuse 2pac partaking in gang activity, shootings and beatings? That's hero material is it? Talking about gunning down children in his diss songs? That's your role model?
no joke, I have "Hit Em Up" on right now and as soon as I read this that part of the song played haha
"my 44 make sure all yo kids don't grow!" ;D
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Brian, what the fuck are you rambling about. Why can't you argue the point at hand. Why do you find the need to go some ridiculous tangent that argues one extreme that the only way that it's comparable is if you look at in a really abstract way that is reaching like crazy. You go off about how we aren't deep thinkers yet you can't even argue the point without throwing a tantrum like a small child. You went to one riduculos extreme, doing that doesn't make you a deep thinker. It just shows your level of maturity.
And answer my question Brian, do you love 2pac more than your own son? The fact it is taking this long for you to answer is really worrisome.
Love it how you question the guys maturity while pushing a question like that.
I've been humouring you until now Prodigal Son but this shows you're just a fucking loser. As if we didn't know already. :banana:
Have a good day :psych:
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Brian, what the fuck are you rambling about. Why can't you argue the point at hand. Why do you find the need to go some ridiculous tangent that argues one extreme that the only way that it's comparable is if you look at in a really abstract way that is reaching like crazy. You go off about how we aren't deep thinkers yet you can't even argue the point without throwing a tantrum like a small child. You went to one riduculos extreme, doing that doesn't make you a deep thinker. It just shows your level of maturity.
And answer my question Brian, do you love 2pac more than your own son ? The fact it is taking this long for you to answer is really worrisome.
So you are an armchair father now too? So you are an armchair rapper and an armchair father? You could live out your whole life vicariously from the seat of your cum-stained couch.
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So brian how do you excuse 2pac partaking in gang activity, shootings and beatings? That's hero material is it? Talking about gunning down children in his diss songs? That's your role model?
no joke, I have "Hit Em Up" on right now and as soon as I read this that part of the song played haha
"my 44 make sure all yo kids don't grow!" ;D
WOW!! Never realized Pac was a baby-killer till now. I heard he kills them and eats their flesh Edi Amin style, only after refrigeration!
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So brian how do you excuse 2pac partaking in gang activity, shootings and beatings? That's hero material is it? Talking about gunning down children in his diss songs? That's your role model?
no joke, I have "Hit Em Up" on right now and as soon as I read this that part of the song played haha
"my 44 make sure all yo kids don't grow!" ;D
Lmao, I love it when weird coincidences like that happen. Last week I was at a movie and we were walking around a corner of the building. I was discussing how fucking ugly white chicks are when they get orange from fake and baking and just as I was finishing my sentence we got around the corner and thier was a group of like 6 orange bitches all scowling at me
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Brian, are you retarded?
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Brain where am I telling you how to raise your son ? Its just funny how I call out Pac for the consquences of his actions I'm an arm chair QB whatever the fuck that means. Why can't you answer the fucking question ?
And just so you know, I'm not on my "cummed stained couch". I'm at my work desk Bri.
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Brain where am I telling you how to raise your son ? Its just funny how I call out Pac for the consquences of his actions I'm an arm chair QB whatever the fuck that means. Why can't you answer the fucking question ?
And just so you know, I'm not on my "cummed stained couch". I'm at my work desk Bri.
ohhhh shit!!!!! You work... and at a desk!!!! damn dude, why didn't you just say so. Had I known you work at a desk I would have never dared to argue with you. I would of recognized you for the fine upstanding good American that you are and trusted your judgement on 2pac's life.
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I'll ask the question again Brian. How do you excuse 2pacs involvement in a gang, and participation in shootings and beatings? Who's your other role model, tookie Williams?
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Brian, what the fuck are you rambling about. Why can't you argue the point at hand. Why do you find the need to go some ridiculous tangent that argues one extreme that the only way that it's comparable is if you look at in a really abstract way that is reaching like crazy. You go off about how we aren't deep thinkers yet you can't even argue the point without throwing a tantrum like a small child. You went to one riduculos extreme, doing that doesn't make you a deep thinker. It just shows your level of maturity.
And answer my question Brian, do you love 2pac more than your own son ? The fact it is taking this long for you to answer is really worrisome.
So you are an armchair father now too? So you are an armchair rapper and an armchair father? You could live out your whole life vicariously from the seat of your cum-stained couch.
LOL. You claim to have some sort of secret knowledge on 2Pac that no one can understand. You are the ulimate armchair rapper.
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Cant believe ive only just come across this thread...comedy gold from the moment infant entered...
For real, why do you have such a chip on your shoulder?
And more to the point, why when people express opinions that differ from theirs do they react as though youve just raped their entire family? However many years later and people are still clinging to 2pac like the guy was the second coming of christ...time to find new people to idolise, smdh
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First of all, Pac was a bisexual; not cool.
Secondly, LOL @ needing role models. Are you twelve?
Thirdly, LOLROFL @ thinking a rapper would suit as a good role model. They all rapped about doing terrible things & you're looking up to that? Good Lord.
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LMAO this thread just keeps getting better. Infinite you really need to sort your life put, or somebody needs to get you sectioned or somethin.
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Brain where am I telling you how to raise your son ? Its just funny how I call out Pac for the consquences of his actions I'm an arm chair QB whatever the fuck that means. Why can't you answer the fucking question ?
And just so you know, I'm not on my "cummed stained couch". I'm at my work desk Bri.
ohhhh shit!!!!! You work... and at a desk!!!! damn dude, why didn't you just say so. Had I known you work at a desk I would have never dared to argue with you. I would of recognized you for the fine upstanding good American that you are and trusted your judgement on 2pac's life.
SMH... I totally get the pathetic point you're reaching for with your sarcasm Bri. Its just shows you really have no argument against my original point. Instead of trying to drop any sought of knowledge you go to one extreme that is really really reaching in order to defend Pac.
If you want to play the reaching game I can too, what's makes you an authority to speak on 2pac and I'm not ? Its clear that you think your this righteous person and I'm not, its evident from your personal attacks. So what makes you so much better than me and such and such an authority on the life of Tupac Shakur ? And please Brian can you answer that for me instead of reacting like a angry 15 year old. I'm dead ass Brian, can you please answer that for me ?
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Brain where am I telling you how to raise your son ? Its just funny how I call out Pac for the consquences of his actions I'm an arm chair QB whatever the fuck that means. Why can't you answer the fucking question ?
And just so you know, I'm not on my "cummed stained couch". I'm at my work desk Bri.
ohhhh shit!!!!! You work... and at a desk!!!! damn dude, why didn't you just say so. Had I known you work at a desk I would have never dared to argue with you. I would of recognized you for the fine upstanding good American that you are and trusted your judgement on 2pac's life.
SMH... I totally get the pathetic point you're reaching for with your sarcasm Bri. Its just shows you really have no argument against my original point. Instead of trying to drop any sought of knowledge you go to one extreme that is really really reaching in order to defend Pac.
If you want to play the reaching game I can too, what's makes you an authority to speak on 2pac and I'm not ? Its clear that you think your this righteous person and I'm not, its evident from your personal attacks. So what makes you so much better than me and such and such an authority on the life of Tupac Shakur ? And please Brian can you answer that for me instead of reacting like a angry 15 year old. I'm dead ass Brian, can you please answer that for me ?
Obsessed with Infinite much?
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^^^^obsessed with prodigal son much
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will b is a proper english gangster rap fan just trying to defend the ultimate wigger infant's delusional views. of course you dont need a new role model infant, its perfectly normal for a 30 year old emotionally disturbed fake muslim who has kids to idolize a gangster rapper who died at 25
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Brain where am I telling you how to raise your son ? Its just funny how I call out Pac for the consquences of his actions I'm an arm chair QB whatever the fuck that means. Why can't you answer the fucking question ?
And just so you know, I'm not on my "cummed stained couch". I'm at my work desk Bri.
ohhhh shit!!!!! You work... and at a desk!!!! damn dude, why didn't you just say so. Had I known you work at a desk I would have never dared to argue with you. I would of recognized you for the fine upstanding good American that you are and trusted your judgement on 2pac's life.
SMH... I totally get the pathetic point you're reaching for with your sarcasm Bri. Its just shows you really have no argument against my original point. Instead of trying to drop any sought of knowledge you go to one extreme that is really really reaching in order to defend Pac.
If you want to play the reaching game I can too, what's makes you an authority to speak on 2pac and I'm not ? Its clear that you think your this righteous person and I'm not, its evident from your personal attacks. So what makes you so much better than me and such and such an authority on the life of Tupac Shakur ? And please Brian can you answer that for me instead of reacting like a angry 15 year old. I'm dead ass Brian, can you please answer that for me ?
Obsessed with Infinite much?
Yet he's the one throwing personal attacks at me lol. And like Paddy said, you sure seem to be keeping close tabs on this thread lol.
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ahahah Im not even surprised no more
Then, let me get some ppl to shot u or whtever forreal, & then, many ppl u was talking too & believe they was ur friends turning their back on U. (not even mentioning he did go to prison for a crime he obviously didn't commit)
Then, let me C...... if that's not changing you.
fukc the dickriders, but lets be real about 2pac's debate for a minute....... some dumb ass here str8 up
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Classic thread. 8) 8) 8)
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@Prodigal Son and everyone bandwagoning....
I agree with some of what you say, Pac, by no stretch of the imagination is perfect but who is? It's wrong to put anyone on a pedestal for better or for worse. He wasnt perfect and he ain't a piece of shit either, he was just a man with a VERY limited time on this earth. Who are we to judge his actions without knowin him, bein in his situation or even fully knowin his situation? I agree, It's wrong to look up to him like he's some sort of god but its just as it's wrong to degrade who he was because of your personal beefs/issues. You say that your lookin at him as a subject objectively but it's clear you don't and possibly you caint. You clearly have a slant toward the East Coast and it's obvious by the artists you consider your favorites and the topics you start in this forum, that's coo though.... My only problem is when cats like you come into a PRO West forum and start shit with people who are OBVIOUSLY devoted fans and above and then act surprised when you get flamed. It's one thing if you want the attention but this, by far is not the place. Now, back to music. You said Nas and Biggie are some of your favorite rappers too but if I remember correctly they both got a START in gangsta rap and in the streets selling drugs and with little deviation for a large portion of their careers. Although their hands aren't clean, I don't C you in the Outbound Connection forum talkin about THEIR issues. Again, by NO means am I a Pac stan but if you want to be "Real" and "Objective" about the man, let's do that. Also, out of the MANY mainstream rappers that existed when Pac was at his peak and gangsta rap was popular, how many had ANYTHING positive to say? *Say Nas and die*. Pac was a RAPPER, and a HUMAN first, not a saint nor devil. If Pac wanted to eat, he had to RAP and therefore the trends that were popular at the time dictated what he rapped about. And even though gangsta rap was popular at the time it's obvious what he was about when you hear his many positive unreleased songs that he DIDN'T have to do at the time as they weren't popular. With that being said, thank you for reading, if you say I'm a wigger or a Euro because I can speak proper English you can kiss my black ass and come at me with somethin substantial rather than taunt me for not dissin a man that's been dead for 10+ years. Oh, and Nima, if you read this, I move that this subject be closed as it's became nothin more than a personal bashfest/witch hunt against anyone who has any sort of loyalty toward Pac. Thank you again, Peace!
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@Prodigal Son and everyone bandwagoning....
I agree with some of what you say, Pac, by no stretch of the imagination is perfect but who is? It's wrong to put anyone on a pedestal for better or for worse. He wasnt perfect and he ain't a piece of shit either, he was just a man with a VERY limited time on this earth. Who are we to judge his actions without knowin him, bein in his situation or even fully knowin his situation? I agree, It's wrong to look up to him like he's some sort of god but its just as it's wrong to degrade who he was because of your personal beefs/issues. You say that your lookin at him as a subject objectively but it's clear you don't and possibly you caint. You clearly have a slant toward the East Coast and it's obvious by the artists you consider your favorites and the topics you start in this forum, that's coo though.... My only problem is when cats like you come into a PRO West forum and start shit with people who are OBVIOUSLY devoted fans and above and then act surprised when you get flamed. It's one thing if you want the attention but this, by far is not the place. Now, back to music. You said Nas and Biggie are some of your favorite rappers too but if I remember correctly they both got a START in gangsta rap and in the streets selling drugs and with little deviation for a large portion of their careers. Although their hands aren't clean, I don't C you in the Outbound Connection forum talkin about THEIR issues. Again, by NO means am I a Pac stan but if you want to be "Real" and "Objective" about the man, let's do that. Also, out of the MANY mainstream rappers that existed when Pac was at his peak and gangsta rap was popular, how many had ANYTHING positive to say? *Say Nas and die*. Pac was a RAPPER, and a HUMAN first, not a saint nor devil. If Pac wanted to eat, he had to RAP and therefore the trends that were popular at the time dictated what he rapped about. And even though gangsta rap was popular at the time it's obvious what he was about when you hear his many positive unreleased songs that he DIDN'T have to do at the time as they weren't popular. With that being said, thank you for reading, if you say I'm a wigger or a Euro because I can speak proper English you can kiss my black ass and come at me with somethin substantial rather than taunt me for not dissin a man that's been dead for 10+ years. Oh, and Nima, if you read this, I move that this subject be closed as it's became nothin more than a personal bashfest/witch hunt against anyone who has any sort of loyalty toward Pac. Thank you again, Peace!
Who are you?
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How rude. Who are you? It doesn't matter who I am, don't change the subject
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How rude. Who are you? It doesn't matter who I am, don't change the subject
You come on here with your first post saying the thread should be locked. Get the fuck outta here.
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Kill it. Your a moderate and you C the shit bein said in this thread and you busy laughin instead of shuttin it down? We all need to get the fuck outta here along with this thread
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Kill it. Your a moderate and you C the shit bein said in this thread and you busy laughin instead of shuttin it down? We all need to get the fuck outta here along with this thread
There is nothing I can do about this thread. I don't moderate this section. Seriously, what is being said in this thread that is so offensive? I've just read the whole thread in hysterics and found nothing to warrant this thread being locked. Like someone said in the thread earlier, just because he was a great artist (I think he is seriously overrated) that does not cover up the fact that at times he was an absolute fucking idiot.
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i ain't even read this thread but i know its all the super nerds in here hating like chamillitary its funny you speak on pac real nigga like pac in such a deragatory manner but you're a nerdy honky who probably get scared of a black mans shadow lol go back to joe budden tv or bieber.com you fucking nerd
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You don't gotta worry bout my ethnicity as it has nothin to do with this topic but I assure you, I'm as black as my ancestors who were brought to America against there will to be raped, killed and exploited. You call me a Pac nerd but if you actually read what I posted instead of takin offense to the last sentence I typed you would know I'm not. I ain't mad that you Caint do nothin in this situation but report this tread to someone who can. And if you Caint C what's wrong with this thread "brotha", the fact that my ethnicity and social status are being questioned because my opinion differs speaks for itself in volumes. Nuff said, if you don't have an intelligent response or your someone who CAN shut down this thread, please don't speak to me as you will be ignored
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Brian, what the fuck are you rambling about. Why can't you argue the point at hand. Why do you find the need to go some ridiculous tangent that argues one extreme that the only way that it's comparable is if you look at in a really abstract way that is reaching like crazy. You go off about how we aren't deep thinkers yet you can't even argue the point without throwing a tantrum like a small child. You went to one riduculos extreme, doing that doesn't make you a deep thinker. It just shows your level of maturity.
And answer my question Brian, do you love 2pac more than your own son ? The fact it is taking this long for you to answer is really worrisome.
So you are an armchair father now too? So you are an armchair rapper and an armchair father? You could live out your whole life vicariously from the seat of your cum-stained couch.
LOL. You claim to have some sort of secret knowledge on 2Pac that no one can understand. You are the ulimate armchair rapper.
lol
2pac didn't make his own culture lmao it takes more than 1 person to create a culture
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You don't worry bout my ethnicity as it has nothin to do with this topic but I assure you, I'm as black as my ancestors who were brought to America against there will to be raped, killed and exploited. You call me a Pac nerd but if you actually read what I posted instead of takin offense to the last sentence I typed you would know I'm not. I ain't mad that you Caint do nothin in this situation but report this tread to someone who can. And if you Caint C what's wrong with this thread "brotha", the fact that you questioned my ethnicity and social status because my opinion differs speaks volumes. Nuff said, if you don't have an intelligent response or your someone who CAN shut down this thread, please don't speak to me as you will be ignored
Where did I call you a Pac nerd? Now that you say it. Also where did I question your ethnicity? What does your ethnicity have to do with anything in this thread?
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No mayne, I ain't sayin you, the guys after you are a prime example of why the thread should B shut down. The same questions your askin me is what I ask myself while readin their posts
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thats your opinion just like the thread starter had an opinion to offer...the great thing is that opinions are like assholes everybody has one and the best part of it is it costs you nothing to pay no mind to the opinions you disagree with.
its one thing to openly disagree with the OP and debate his point but to try and make a power play about getting the thread shut down is a pussy move.
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@Prodigal Son and everyone bandwagoning....
I agree with some of what you say, Pac, by no stretch of the imagination is perfect but who is? It's wrong to put anyone on a pedestal for better or for worse. He wasnt perfect and he ain't a piece of shit either, he was just a man with a VERY limited time on this earth. Who are we to judge his actions without knowin him, bein in his situation or even fully knowin his situation? I agree, It's wrong to look up to him like he's some sort of god but its just as it's wrong to degrade who he was because of your personal beefs/issues. You say that your lookin at him as a subject objectively but it's clear you don't and possibly you caint. You clearly have a slant toward the East Coast and it's obvious by the artists you consider your favorites and the topics you start in this forum, that's coo though.... My only problem is when cats like you come into a PRO West forum and start shit with people who are OBVIOUSLY devoted fans and above and then act surprised when you get flamed. It's one thing if you want the attention but this, by far is not the place. Now, back to music. You said Nas and Biggie are some of your favorite rappers too but if I remember correctly they both got a START in gangsta rap and in the streets selling drugs and with little deviation for a large portion of their careers. Although their hands aren't clean, I don't C you in the Outbound Connection forum talkin about THEIR issues. Again, by NO means am I a Pac stan but if you want to be "Real" and "Objective" about the man, let's do that. Also, out of the MANY mainstream rappers that existed when Pac was at his peak and gangsta rap was popular, how many had ANYTHING positive to say? *Say Nas and die*. Pac was a RAPPER, and a HUMAN first, not a saint nor devil. If Pac wanted to eat, he had to RAP and therefore the trends that were popular at the time dictated what he rapped about. And even though gangsta rap was popular at the time it's obvious what he was about when you hear his many positive unreleased songs that he DIDN'T have to do at the time as they weren't popular. With that being said, thank you for reading, if you say I'm a wigger or a Euro because I can speak proper English you can kiss my black ass and come at me with somethin substantial rather than taunt me for not dissin a man that's been dead for 10+ years. Oh, and Nima, if you read this, I move that this subject be closed as it's became nothin more than a personal bashfest/witch hunt against anyone who has any sort of loyalty toward Pac. Thank you again, Peace!
I also said Pac was one of my favorites. And when did Nas and Big destroy a genre of music or orphan children ? And next time, spare me your essay and just get to the damn point
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thats your opinion just like the thread starter had an opinion to offer...the great thing is that opinions are like assholes everybody has one and the best part of it is it costs you nothing to pay no mind to the opinions you disagree with.
its one thing to openly disagree with the OP and debate his point but to try and make a power play about getting the thread shut down is a pussy move.
I agree with part of what you said, everyone has opinions and everyones opinions are open to debate but I disagree with being called a wigger, honky, pussy, ETC. I also disagree with callin someone else slanderous shit like that because their opinion differs, that is my issue. Everything in this thread has became personal which we can all agree is wrong. Call it a power play if you must, call me what wvr names you will but you CANNOT disagree with the fact that this has became somethin that has nothin to do with Pac. Additionaly, if you followed your own advice, you wouldn't B Tryna get in my face or post semi pornographical cartoon pictures or Donald Duck in attempts to degrade me
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@Prodigal Son
My friend, I did read your post and I DID notice you said Pac is ONE of your favorites but regardless if he's one or your "favorites" that gives you no right to judge. Pac did not shoot or kill Biggie so how did he orphan kids? And what about Nas and BIG sellin drugs to mothers and helpin create a whole generation of crack babies? My argument isn't that Pac is perfect, it's that no one is. Finally, I can say the same to you, Cus if I remember your first post was an essay as well. Balls back in your court G
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This is supposed to be a fair debate, a battle of opinions but y'all have successfully alienated anyone and everyone who's opinions are different than your own, and not with reason, logic or evidence but rather through name calling and slander. Some of you joined this thread arguing for Pac and then let all the illogical bullshit silence your true opinion and you jumped on the bandwagon. This is no debate, this is no thread, this is a witch hunt
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i know whos alias you are...game over honkey.
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Lol and who is it?
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i know whos alias you are...game over honkey.
Again, bringin racial shit into Threads that have nothing to with what your talkin bout. When I make a point in my argument about Pac you talk about race. This has nothin to do with what you think my race is but on the otherhand are you saying that I can't be intellectual because I'm black? Or because of how I talk that I'm white. That's racist slander and has nothin to do with the topic of this conversation. Please stay on topic
And @ the moderators, I call attention to a problem on this board and get marked down one karma point while cats in this thread bully and flame niggaz with racial slurs and slander and they have a million points -_-. Maybe there's somethin I'm missing
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i know whos alias you are...game over honkey.
Again, bringin racial shit into Threads that have nothing to with what your talkin bout. When I make a point in my argument about Pac you talk about race. This has nothin to do with what you think my race is but on the otherhand are you saying that I can't be intellectual because I'm black? Or because of how I talk that I'm white. That's racist slander and has nothin to do with the topic of this conversation. Please stay on topic
you are a sad motherfucker...you knew they wouldnt take your opinions seriously so you made an alias.
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i know whos alias you are...game over honkey.
Again, bringin racial shit into Threads that have nothing to with what your talkin bout. When I make a point in my argument about Pac you talk about race. This has nothin to do with what you think my race is but on the otherhand are you saying that I can't be intellectual because I'm black? Or because of how I talk that I'm white. That's racist slander and has nothin to do with the topic of this conversation. Please stay on topic
you are a sad motherfucker...you knew they wouldnt take your opinions seriously so you made an alias.
My good sir, I have no clue of what your talkin about. This is my first and possibly last account here, but I have been a spectator for quite some time. Regardless of who I am or who I am not YOU are still not on topic and it seems you don't want to touch it anymore as you STILL have not any logical reasoning to your argument. I'll be a honky, so what? I know I'm not and it would make no difference if I was
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this isnt my argument...im just reading the shit laughing like everyone else who dont have a stick up they ass.
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That was for anyone who has any questions about why this thread should be clossed. Peace!
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lmao dude is an alias for sure. I wonder who it is.
On topic: if eurowiggers can make 10 threads every week expressing their anger and now hatred of Dre for not putting out an album then a thread discussing 2Pac's very real flaws definitely should exist. This topic is infinitely more important than reading posts of people crying over not getting 12 great new songs from a producer past his prime.
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Must be European.
His name is like the president of Finland.
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KRS-TWO is is kinda like the King retard round here. He sees the lol's in everything and even made a forum for him and his online buddies to be funny, where serious chat needn't get in the way of a good lol about dead babies or whatever. Pay him no mind. ;)
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this isnt my argument...im just reading the shit laughing like everyone else who dont have a stick up they ass.
Hehehe. I'll B whatever you want but y'all are so busy talkin bout me that you stopped talkin bout the subject. When I disproved your arguements then you flipped it on me like, "Oh he must be a Euro" or talkin bout what you think is my personal life or whatever but you still haven't disproved MY argument. Nuff said, this conversation ISN'T about me, that's would be clear if you read the thread topic but y'all tried to change the topic because you have no way to disprove what I said
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KRS-TWO is is kinda like the King retard round here. He sees the lol's in everything and even made a forum for him and his online buddies to be funny, where serious chat needn't get in the way of a good lol about dead babies or whatever. Pay him no mind. ;)
Thanks bro and @ Spice None, that was never my issue, Pac got flaws and I'm quick to admit it, my problem is that the thread no longer was talkin bout Pac but rather it became a witch hunt to flame anyone who disagreed with the original poster sayin Pac is a peice of shit
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I never realized the forum was this bad. It's one thing to be a fan of a rapper its another to be so emotionally hurt you wont allow others to point out the bad things they've done.
At the end of the day we are judging Pac based on the actual things he did and you are judging him based on your emotional attachment to his music. Which is more logical?
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this isnt my argument...im just reading the shit laughing like everyone else who dont have a stick up they ass.
Hehehe. I'll B whatever I want but y'all are so busy talkin bout me that you stopped talkin bout the subject. When I disproved your arguements then you flipped it on me like, "Oh he must be a Euro" or talkin bout what you think is my personal life or whatever but you still haven't disproved MY argument. Nuff said, this conversation ISN'T about me, that's would be clear if you read the thread topic but y'all tried to change the topic because you have no way to disprove what I said
Yeah, the whole euro bashing thing has been played out for a while now. Honestly, Enopak Laer I agree with what you said. The problem is that quite a few people only come here to troll or get cheap laughs, so I'd just ignore it.
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I never realized the forum was this bad. It's one thing to be a fan of a rapper its another to be so emotionally hurt you wont allow others to point out the bad things they've done.
At the end of the day we are judging Pac based on the actual things he did and you are judging him based on your emotional attachment to his music. Which is more logical?
Are you reading anything I wrote? I'm by no means a Pac stan. I know he was messed up and I agree with that. I ain't sayin he was perfect but I AM saying that he was human and it's wrong for us to judge either way. I refuse to put Pac on a pedestal OR throw him in the gutter. I'd say that the people that try to make him out as a god and a peice of shit are both wrong
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KRS-TWO is is kinda like the King retard round here. He sees the lol's in everything and even made a forum for him and his online buddies to be funny, where serious chat needn't get in the way of a good lol about dead babies or whatever. Pay him no mind. ;)
Thanks bro and @ Spice None, that was never my issue, Pac got flaws and I'm quick to admit it, my problem is that the thread no longer was talkin bout Pac but rather it became a witch hunt to flame anyone who disagreed with the original poster sayin Pac is a peice of shit
If Pac is your hero and you think he is a good person then give some plausible reason why. All we've heard are incoherent groupies acting butthurt and wanting to shut this topic down, no wonder they are getting flamed. If you're calling the guy some sort of hero based entirely on your emotional attachment to his music then you deserve to get laughed at.
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this isnt my argument...im just reading the shit laughing like everyone else who dont have a stick up they ass.
Hehehe. I'll B whatever I want but y'all are so busy talkin bout me that you stopped talkin bout the subject. When I disproved your arguements then you flipped it on me like, "Oh he must be a Euro" or talkin bout what you think is my personal life or whatever but you still haven't disproved MY argument. Nuff said, this conversation ISN'T about me, that's would be clear if you read the thread topic but y'all tried to change the topic because you have no way to disprove what I said
Yeah, the whole euro bashing thing has been played out for a while now. Honestly, Enopak Laer I agree with what you said. The problem is that quite a few people only come here to troll or get cheap laughs, so I'd just ignore it.
Smh, thanks for the advice bro. I guess that's part of bein online right?
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You didn't read the bit where he said he's quick to admit Pac got flaws then?
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this isnt my argument...im just reading the shit laughing like everyone else who dont have a stick up they ass.
Hehehe. I'll B whatever I want but y'all are so busy talkin bout me that you stopped talkin bout the subject. When I disproved your arguements then you flipped it on me like, "Oh he must be a Euro" or talkin bout what you think is my personal life or whatever but you still haven't disproved MY argument. Nuff said, this conversation ISN'T about me, that's would be clear if you read the thread topic but y'all tried to change the topic because you have no way to disprove what I said
Yeah, the whole euro bashing thing has been played out for a while now. Honestly, Enopak Laer I agree with what you said. The problem is that quite a few people only come here to troll or get cheap laughs, so I'd just ignore it.
Smh, thanks for the advice bro. I guess that's part of bein online right?
Yeah it's nothin' new lol.
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I never realized the forum was this bad. It's one thing to be a fan of a rapper its another to be so emotionally hurt you wont allow others to point out the bad things they've done.
At the end of the day we are judging Pac based on the actual things he did and you are judging him based on your emotional attachment to his music. Which is more logical?
Are you reading anything I wrote? I'm by no means a Pac stan. I know he was messed up and I agree with that. I ain't sayin he was perfect but I AM saying that he was human and it's wrong for us to judge either way. I refuse to put Pac on a pedestal OR throw him in the gutter. I'd say that the people that try to make him out as a god and a peice of shit are both wrong
Anyone defending and making excuses for Pac's crimes and messed up behavior IS judging him, so to say we shouldn't judge is hypocritical since everyone else is doing the same thing.
Rappers get judged on here daily, from Dre to Ice Cube to 40 Glocc, etc. And these names haven't committed half as much bullshit as Pac did. Here's a rapper who was actually involved in stupid shit for most of his career, and its only now we can't judge? I'm pulling your groupie card considering this is the only thread you spoke out against.
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KRS-TWO is is kinda like the King retard round here. He sees the lol's in everything and even made a forum for him and his online buddies to be funny, where serious chat needn't get in the way of a good lol about dead babies or whatever. Pay him no mind. ;)
Thanks bro and @ Spice None, that was never my issue, Pac got flaws and I'm quick to admit it, my problem is that the thread no longer was talkin bout Pac but rather it became a witch hunt to flame anyone who disagreed with the original poster sayin Pac is a peice of shit
If Pac is your hero and you think he is a good person then give some plausible reason why. All we've heard are incoherent groupies acting butthurt and wanting to shut this topic down, no wonder they are getting flamed. If you're calling the guy some sort of hero based entirely on your emotional attachment to his music then you deserve to get laughed at.
Smh, you ain't hearin me, I NEVER claimed he's some sort of hero/god/good guy although he is to some people and their opinions should be respected as well. I said that Pac was human he had his good and bad moments so to say that he was jus one or the other is completely limited and one sided. Prove me wrong, this has nothin to do with emotion and alot to do with facts
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smh head at anyone feeding into this. i know im not tha only 1 who gets it
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I never realized the forum was this bad. It's one thing to be a fan of a rapper its another to be so emotionally hurt you wont allow others to point out the bad things they've done.
At the end of the day we are judging Pac based on the actual things he did and you are judging him based on your emotional attachment to his music. Which is more logical?
Are you reading anything I wrote? I'm by no means a Pac stan. I know he was messed up and I agree with that. I ain't sayin he was perfect but I AM saying that he was human and it's wrong for us to judge either way. I refuse to put Pac on a pedestal OR throw him in the gutter. I'd say that the people that try to make him out as a god and a peice of shit are both wrong
Anyone defending and making excuses for Pac's crimes and messed up behavior IS judging him, so to say we shouldn't judge is hypocritical since everyone else is doing the same thing.
Rappers get judged on here daily, from Dre to Ice Cube to 40 Glocc, etc. And these names haven't committed half as much bullshit as Pac did. Here's a rapper who was actually involved in stupid shit for most of his career, and its only now we can't judge? I'm pulling your groupie card considering this is the only thread you spoke out against.
How am I a groupie when I never argued his defense? No, I dont make him out as a monster but I don't make him out as a good guy either. He fucked up Rap in alot of ways but he made sure alot of people were fed and raised awareness on many unspoken topics worldwide
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smh head at anyone feeding into this. i know im not tha only 1 who gets it
It's trolling at its finest lol.
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KRS-TWO is is kinda like the King retard round here. He sees the lol's in everything and even made a forum for him and his online buddies to be funny, where serious chat needn't get in the way of a good lol about dead babies or whatever. Pay him no mind. ;)
Thanks bro and @ Spice None, that was never my issue, Pac got flaws and I'm quick to admit it, my problem is that the thread no longer was talkin bout Pac but rather it became a witch hunt to flame anyone who disagreed with the original poster sayin Pac is a peice of shit
If Pac is your hero and you think he is a good person then give some plausible reason why. All we've heard are incoherent groupies acting butthurt and wanting to shut this topic down, no wonder they are getting flamed. If you're calling the guy some sort of hero based entirely on your emotional attachment to his music then you deserve to get laughed at.
Smh, you ain't hearin me, I NEVER claimed he's some sort of hero/god/good guy although he is to some people and their opinions should be respected as well. I said that Pac was human he had his good and bad moments so to say that he was jus one or the other is completely limited and one sided. Prove me wrong, this has nothin to do with emotion and alot to do with facts
Then put out some facts. His criminal acts have been stated, so what did he do to prove there was good in him? Did he put any money back into the community? Did he start any charities? Dr. Dre has done more for charity than 2Pac yet everyone on this forum thinks he's a greedy piece of shit because he wont put out 1 album the way they want it. So for you to say we shouldn't judge is ludicrous.
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smh head at anyone feeding into this. i know im not tha only 1 who gets it
It's trolling at its finest lol.
it'z bigger than trolling. anybody responding to this shit is showing their age and their IQ
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I never realized the forum was this bad. It's one thing to be a fan of a rapper its another to be so emotionally hurt you wont allow others to point out the bad things they've done.
At the end of the day we are judging Pac based on the actual things he did and you are judging him based on your emotional attachment to his music. Which is more logical?
Are you reading anything I wrote? I'm by no means a Pac stan. I know he was messed up and I agree with that. I ain't sayin he was perfect but I AM saying that he was human and it's wrong for us to judge either way. I refuse to put Pac on a pedestal OR throw him in the gutter. I'd say that the people that try to make him out as a god and a peice of shit are both wrong
Anyone defending and making excuses for Pac's crimes and messed up behavior IS judging him, so to say we shouldn't judge is hypocritical since everyone else is doing the same thing.
Rappers get judged on here daily, from Dre to Ice Cube to 40 Glocc, etc. And these names haven't committed half as much bullshit as Pac did. Here's a rapper who was actually involved in stupid shit for most of his career, and its only now we can't judge? I'm pulling your groupie card considering this is the only thread you spoke out against.
How am I a groupie when I never argued his defense? No, I dont make him out as a monster but I don't make him out as a good guy either. He fucked up Rap in alot of ways but he made sure alot of people were fed and raised awareness on many unspoken topics worldwide
Where are you in the threads shitting on 40 Glocc? How come you aren't in there defending him? What about the countless topics labeling Dr. Dre as a greedy piece of shit? I didn't see you in there telling people we shouldn't judge.
And just as an aside, the topics he rapped about can't have been unspoken if Chuck D and Ice Cube already rapped about them and black activists have been speaking about them for years prior to his rap career. ::)
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This is my final word, it's wrong to judge ANY of these artists Cus we NEVER lived their struggles. Pac DID fund charities and did help out communities, you ought read up on the guy a lil more before you form an opinion. I don't listen to 40 Glocc so I have no opinion on him and those Dre threads are wrong too but you pick your battles and go at one at a time. I've been here for a day so I haven't had my chance to get to those threads, what's your excuse? And why do you single me out for attack?
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This is my final word, it's wrong to judge ANY of these artists Cus we NEVER lived their struggles. Pac DID fund charities and did help out communities, you ought read up on the guy a lil more before you form an opinion
yeah he's clearly fucking with u. but i get it, it's not your fault for not wanting to read 15 pages of utter nonsense so i dont fault u
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so many bloody vaginas in this thread...wheres OBGYN will B when you REALLY need him.
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This is my final word, it's wrong to judge ANY of these artists Cus we NEVER lived their struggles. Pac DID fund charities and did help out communities, you ought read up on the guy a lil more before you form an opinion
If its true then you should be able to find an easy source on the actual good things he did ;)
I know for a fact Dr. Dre has done more charity than 2Pac ever did, but I don't see anyone using that to prove he's a good person. You'll call Dre a piece of shit for not putting out the kind of album you want but saying anything about 2Pac is sacrilege. That's being a groupie at its finest.
And radiotube, you're more of a troll than anyone. Only posting in a thread to accuse others of trolling is itself trolling.
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This is my final word, it's wrong to judge ANY of these artists Cus we NEVER lived their struggles. Pac DID fund charities and did help out communities, you ought read up on the guy a lil more before you form an opinion. I don't listen to 40 Glocc so I have no opinion on him and those Dre threads are wrong too but you pick your battles and go at one at a time. I've been here for a day so I haven't had my chance to get to those threads, what's your excuse? And why do you single me out for attack?
There's two possibilities:
1) (the most likely) you're somebody's alias, which would be pretty pathetic.
2) you're a lurker who's never felt the need to make an account before, but this one topic made your blood boil so badly that you had to reply to it. In either situation you feel very strongly about 2Pac. it's just funny to me that you're playing it off like you're neutral when you're so clearly not.
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This is my final word, it's wrong to judge ANY of these artists Cus we NEVER lived their struggles. Pac DID fund charities and did help out communities, you ought read up on the guy a lil more before you form an opinion
If its true then you should be able to find an easy source on the actual good things he did ;)
I know for a fact Dr. Dre has done more charity than 2Pac ever did, but I don't see anyone using that to prove he's a good person. You'll call Dre a piece of shit for not putting out the kind of album you want but saying anything about 2Pac is sacrilege. That's being a groupie at its finest.
And radiotube, you're more of a troll than anyone. Only posting in a thread to accuse others of trolling is itself trolling.
Smh, I never said anyone was a peice of shit nor do I dictate someones nature purely based on how much charity work they've done. Stop instigating, stop puttin words on my mouth. I promise I'm gone now lol.
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This is my final word, it's wrong to judge ANY of these artists Cus we NEVER lived their struggles. Pac DID fund charities and did help out communities, you ought read up on the guy a lil more before you form an opinion
If its true then you should be able to find an easy source on the actual good things he did ;)
I know for a fact Dr. Dre has done more charity than 2Pac ever did, but I don't see anyone using that to prove he's a good person. You'll call Dre a piece of shit for not putting out the kind of album you want but saying anything about 2Pac is sacrilege. That's being a groupie at its finest.
And radiotube, you're more of a troll than anyone. Only posting in a thread to accuse others of trolling is itself trolling.
somebody tickle your butt as a toddler Spice? what grown man u know named "Spice" anyway (excluding the original nigga Spice 1)? but anyway, whatever son, i'm not losing any sleep over this and Pac's not rolling over in his grave about it and Afeni could care less so where does that leave u.
i get it tho, let's disrespect a legend so "we" can get people all riled up. it's a cheap shot (karma works in funny ways anyway, i know all about it). at tha end of tha day this is a bullshit thread and Spice and Petey and Sikotic are just fuckin around (the thread started clearly was siding with Biggie and the East back in tha day with reason).
it's cool to make fun of a Black Man (dead or alive unfortunately) but it's NOT cool 2 talk about any other race. i get it, but tha "dead" always have tha last laugh tho.
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This is my final word, it's wrong to judge ANY of these artists Cus we NEVER lived their struggles. Pac DID fund charities and did help out communities, you ought read up on the guy a lil more before you form an opinion
If its true then you should be able to find an easy source on the actual good things he did ;)
I know for a fact Dr. Dre has done more charity than 2Pac ever did, but I don't see anyone using that to prove he's a good person. You'll call Dre a piece of shit for not putting out the kind of album you want but saying anything about 2Pac is sacrilege. That's being a groupie at its finest.
And radiotube, you're more of a troll than anyone. Only posting in a thread to accuse others of trolling is itself trolling.
Smh, I never said anyone was a peice of shit nor do I dictate someones nature purely based on how much charity work they've done. Stop instigating, stop puttin words on my mouth. I promise I'm gone now lol.
You're gone? Lol, you spent several pages defending Pac's good side yet you can't even point to anything good that he did. Good job for adding nothing to this thread.
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2pac was cremated so how can he roll over in his grave?
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This is my final word, it's wrong to judge ANY of these artists Cus we NEVER lived their struggles. Pac DID fund charities and did help out communities, you ought read up on the guy a lil more before you form an opinion
If its true then you should be able to find an easy source on the actual good things he did ;)
I know for a fact Dr. Dre has done more charity than 2Pac ever did, but I don't see anyone using that to prove he's a good person. You'll call Dre a piece of shit for not putting out the kind of album you want but saying anything about 2Pac is sacrilege. That's being a groupie at its finest.
And radiotube, you're more of a troll than anyone. Only posting in a thread to accuse others of trolling is itself trolling.
Smh, I never said anyone was a peice of shit nor do I dictate someones nature purely based on how much charity work they've done. Stop instigating, stop puttin words on my mouth. I promise I'm gone now lol.
You're gone? Lol, you spent several pages defending Pac's good side yet you can't even point to anything good that he did. Good job for adding nothing to this thread.
stop instigatin shit. its so dumb in this case.
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2pac was cremated so how can he roll over in his grave?
where's your girlfriend?
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@Prodigal Son and everyone bandwagoning....
I agree with some of what you say, Pac, by no stretch of the imagination is perfect but who is? It's wrong to put anyone on a pedestal for better or for worse. He wasnt perfect and he ain't a piece of shit either, he was just a man with a VERY limited time on this earth. Who are we to judge his actions without knowin him, bein in his situation or even fully knowin his situation?
I agree, It's wrong to look up to him like he's some sort of god but its just as it's wrong to degrade who he was because of your personal beefs/issues. You say that your lookin at him as a subject objectively but it's clear you don't and possibly you caint. You clearly have a slant toward the East Coast and it's obvious by the artists you consider your favorites and the topics you start in this forum, that's coo though.... My only problem is when cats like you come into a PRO West forum and start shit with people who are OBVIOUSLY devoted fans and above and then act surprised when you get flamed. It's one thing if you want the attention but this, by far is not the place.
Now, back to music. You said Nas and Biggie are some of your favorite rappers too but if I remember correctly they both got a START in gangsta rap and in the streets selling drugs and with little deviation for a large portion of their careers. Although their hands aren't clean, I don't C you in the Outbound Connection forum talkin about THEIR issues. Again, by NO means am I a Pac stan but if you want to be "Real" and "Objective" about the man, let's do that. Also, out of the MANY mainstream rappers that existed when Pac was at his peak and gangsta rap was popular, how many had ANYTHING positive to say? *Say Nas and die*. Pac was a RAPPER, and a HUMAN first, not a saint nor devil.
If Pac wanted to eat, he had to RAP and therefore the trends that were popular at the time dictated what he rapped about. And even though gangsta rap was popular at the time it's obvious what he was about when you hear his many positive unreleased songs that he DIDN'T have to do at the time as they weren't popular.
With that being said, thank you for reading, if you say I'm a wigger or a Euro because I can speak proper English you can kiss my black ass and come at me with somethin substantial rather than taunt me for not dissin a man that's been dead for 10+ years. Oh, and Nima, if you read this, I move that this subject be closed as it's became nothin more than a personal bashfest/witch hunt against anyone who has any sort of loyalty toward Pac. Thank you again, Peace!
Best post in this thread, now with better paragraphing.
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@Prodigal Son and everyone bandwagoning....
I agree with some of what you say, Pac, by no stretch of the imagination is perfect but who is? It's wrong to put anyone on a pedestal for better or for worse. He wasnt perfect and he ain't a piece of shit either, he was just a man with a VERY limited time on this earth. Who are we to judge his actions without knowin him, bein in his situation or even fully knowin his situation?
I agree, It's wrong to look up to him like he's some sort of god but its just as it's wrong to degrade who he was because of your personal beefs/issues. You say that your lookin at him as a subject objectively but it's clear you don't and possibly you caint. You clearly have a slant toward the East Coast and it's obvious by the artists you consider your favorites and the topics you start in this forum, that's coo though.... My only problem is when cats like you come into a PRO West forum and start shit with people who are OBVIOUSLY devoted fans and above and then act surprised when you get flamed. It's one thing if you want the attention but this, by far is not the place.
Now, back to music. You said Nas and Biggie are some of your favorite rappers too but if I remember correctly they both got a START in gangsta rap and in the streets selling drugs and with little deviation for a large portion of their careers. Although their hands aren't clean, I don't C you in the Outbound Connection forum talkin about THEIR issues. Again, by NO means am I a Pac stan but if you want to be "Real" and "Objective" about the man, let's do that. Also, out of the MANY mainstream rappers that existed when Pac was at his peak and gangsta rap was popular, how many had ANYTHING positive to say? *Say Nas and die*. Pac was a RAPPER, and a HUMAN first, not a saint nor devil.
If Pac wanted to eat, he had to RAP and therefore the trends that were popular at the time dictated what he rapped about. And even though gangsta rap was popular at the time it's obvious what he was about when you hear his many positive unreleased songs that he DIDN'T have to do at the time as they weren't popular.
With that being said, thank you for reading, if you say I'm a wigger or a Euro because I can speak proper English you can kiss my black ass and come at me with somethin substantial rather than taunt me for not dissin a man that's been dead for 10+ years. Oh, and Nima, if you read this, I move that this subject be closed as it's became nothin more than a personal bashfest/witch hunt against anyone who has any sort of loyalty toward Pac. Thank you again, Peace!
Best post in this thread, now with better paragraphing.
no it wasn't. becuz it didn't even need 2 get this far. some people just didnt get it. let's be real about DubCC for a minute. If this was 6 months ago we surely wouldn't have gotten to 3 pages, let alone 15
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i aint feeling how cats are trying to put this thread on me...i never said i did or didnt agree with OP i just am defending his right to say what he feels.
some of yall are very deeply emotionally invested in this topic and thats wild as hell.
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i aint feeling how cats are trying to put this thread on me...i never said i did or didnt agree with OP i just am defending his right to say what he feels.
some of yall are very deeply emotionally invested in this topic and thats wild as hell.
nah son, you're just being stupid as shit as usual. u dont have 2 lie on dubcc cuzzin.
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KRS-TWO is is kinda like the King retard round here. He sees the lol's in everything and even made a forum for him and his online buddies to be funny, where serious chat needn't get in the way of a good lol about dead babies or whatever. Pay him no mind. ;)
What's worse is this dude is obsessed with "aliases" and exposing europeans on a forum that is EUROPEAN OWNED!
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KRS-TWO is is kinda like the King retard round here. He sees the lol's in everything and even made a forum for him and his online buddies to be funny, where serious chat needn't get in the way of a good lol about dead babies or whatever. Pay him no mind. ;)
What's worse is this dude is obsessed with "aliases" and exposing europeans on a forum that is EUROPEAN OWNED!
most people on here aren't over 24 in real life
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KRS-TWO is is kinda like the King retard round here. He sees the lol's in everything and even made a forum for him and his online buddies to be funny, where serious chat needn't get in the way of a good lol about dead babies or whatever. Pay him no mind. ;)
What's worse is this dude is obsessed with "aliases" and exposing europeans on a forum that is EUROPEAN OWNED!
oh look its a united front of asshurt eurowigs coming to boss up for they home turf lmao
hows your coloured girlfriend you closet racist culture vulture?
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oh look its a united front of asshurt eurowigs coming to boss up for they home turf lmao
hows your coloured girlfriend you closet racist culture vulture?
Hahah I know you keep dirt on every forum member since the wcrydaz days Petey, it's disturbing... How many terrabytes worth of forum member pictures do you keep on your hard disc?
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oh look its a united front of asshurt eurowigs coming to boss up for they home turf lmao
hows your coloured girlfriend you closet racist culture vulture?
Hahah I know you keep dirt on every forum member since the wcrydaz days Petey, it's disturbing... How many terrabytes worth of forum member pictures do you keep on your hard disc?
i wonder if Petey thinks it's all true about EVERYBODY tho :-X #justsayin
interesting question is it not? #yadayada :whistle:
you'd be surprised at how some people just love 2 watch whatever. but i aint sayin no names tho. i'm just sayin'. no funny shit.
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Arthur do you speak English?
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Arthur do you speak English?
i speak African American. r u looking for a set up for one of your jokes or something? is this how you're gonna do it. do u really find tha things u say that humorous. u have tha dialect of a monkey
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stop trolling radiotube. You haven't once contributed to this thread. All you've done is made about 20 posts trying to end this topic. You're a troll.
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stop trolling radiotube. You haven't once contributed to this thread. All you've done is made about 20 posts trying to end this topic. You're a troll.
u worried
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4 tha record why should i care about u or anything said in this thread. honestly, give me a reason y i should care. no1's biting except tha ppl who dont realize the motive.
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so many bloody vaginas in this thread...wheres OBGYN will B when you REALLY need him.
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4 tha record why should i care about u or anything said in this thread. honestly, give me a reason y i should care.
I think a lot of people can say the same thing about your threads.
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(http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4351/2paca.jpg)
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god damn, LOL @ how sensitive this thread got overnight... you'd think half the posters here were on "that time of the month", feelings caught to the max, if you don't like it don't post in here.
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I can't even read all of this shit. The stanism and worship of a man in this thread is really disgusting.
Some of you are really young and unable to differentiate a man from his talents or you are simply a man child who had yet to grow up. If you're the latter, then I truly feel sorry for you.
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I can't even read all of this shit. The stanism and worship of a man in this thread is really disgusting.
Some of you are really young and unable to differentiate a man from his talents or you are simply a man child who had yet to grow up. If you're the latter, then I truly feel sorry for you.
End of discussion.
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Brian, what the fuck are you rambling about. Why can't you argue the point at hand. Why do you find the need to go some ridiculous tangent that argues one extreme that the only way that it's comparable is if you look at in a really abstract way that is reaching like crazy. You go off about how we aren't deep thinkers yet you can't even argue the point without throwing a tantrum like a small child. You went to one riduculos extreme, doing that doesn't make you a deep thinker. It just shows your level of maturity.
And answer my question Brian, do you love 2pac more than your own son? The fact it is taking this long for you to answer is really worrisome.
Love it how you question the guys maturity while pushing a question like that.
I've been humouring you until now Prodigal Son but this shows you're just a fucking loser. As if we didn't know already. :banana:
Have a good day :psych:
...n ur british.
evens out
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Brian, what the fuck are you rambling about. Why can't you argue the point at hand. Why do you find the need to go some ridiculous tangent that argues one extreme that the only way that it's comparable is if you look at in a really abstract way that is reaching like crazy. You go off about how we aren't deep thinkers yet you can't even argue the point without throwing a tantrum like a small child. You went to one riduculos extreme, doing that doesn't make you a deep thinker. It just shows your level of maturity.
And answer my question Brian, do you love 2pac more than your own son? The fact it is taking this long for you to answer is really worrisome.
Love it how you question the guys maturity while pushing a question like that.
I've been humouring you until now Prodigal Son but this shows you're just a fucking loser. As if we didn't know already. :banana:
Have a good day :psych:
...n ur british.
evens out
Damn you seem to not like the British or me Mike. :bandit:
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this thread continues to be the hemorrhoid on the asses of eurostans world wide.
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Brian, what the fuck are you rambling about. Why can't you argue the point at hand. Why do you find the need to go some ridiculous tangent that argues one extreme that the only way that it's comparable is if you look at in a really abstract way that is reaching like crazy. You go off about how we aren't deep thinkers yet you can't even argue the point without throwing a tantrum like a small child. You went to one riduculos extreme, doing that doesn't make you a deep thinker. It just shows your level of maturity.
And answer my question Brian, do you love 2pac more than your own son? The fact it is taking this long for you to answer is really worrisome.
Love it how you question the guys maturity while pushing a question like that.
I've been humouring you until now Prodigal Son but this shows you're just a fucking loser. As if we didn't know already. :banana:
Have a good day :psych:
...n ur british.
evens out
Damn you seem to not like the British or me Mike. :bandit:
me n United Kingdom go way back. we good
ull always b a leeching E-bitch tho
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Brian, what the fuck are you rambling about. Why can't you argue the point at hand. Why do you find the need to go some ridiculous tangent that argues one extreme that the only way that it's comparable is if you look at in a really abstract way that is reaching like crazy. You go off about how we aren't deep thinkers yet you can't even argue the point without throwing a tantrum like a small child. You went to one riduculos extreme, doing that doesn't make you a deep thinker. It just shows your level of maturity.
And answer my question Brian, do you love 2pac more than your own son? The fact it is taking this long for you to answer is really worrisome.
Love it how you question the guys maturity while pushing a question like that.
I've been humouring you until now Prodigal Son but this shows you're just a fucking loser. As if we didn't know already. :banana:
Have a good day :psych:
...n ur british.
evens out
Damn you seem to not like the British or me Mike. :bandit:
me n United Kingdom go way back. we good
ull always b a leeching E-bitch tho
Haha in your dreams Mike. Who downloaded that album for you recently because you 'don't fuck wit torrents' ;D
Don't get your ePanties in a twist because of your selective memory and eGangsta mentality :-* :-* :-*
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haha, such a corny fag, Will
ur the corniest e-dude in e-history. suck my e-dick, but watch the dirty british teeth..
fuckn clown, why r u pattin urself on the back? :D
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haha, such a corny fag, Will
ur the corniest e-dude in e-history. suck my e-dick, but watch the dirty british teeth..
fuckn clown, why r u pattin urself on the back? :D
ooooooooooooooooooh......mike aint for play.
that shti was cold bloooooooooooooooded
(http://creoleindc.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c5e0053ef011571429f18970b-800wi)
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Most of u dont even know wat pussy looks like so what makes u think u can understand Mak? I have tha evidence, Im gonna post it in a second. I also have proof that none of them have a girlfriend. So since they dont understand theirselves how do u expect them 2 understand someone else? The amount of disrespect in this thread is crazy. But u can tell that noone is really reading this threads when u divide tha views by tha replies by tha posters. Some fools just really need tha ATTENTION that bad lol
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aggy
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Arthur what's it like being in your 20s and still a virgin?
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Arthur what's it like being in your 20s 40s and still a virgin?
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haha, such a corny fag, Will
ur the corniest e-dude in e-history. suck my e-dick, but watch the dirty british teeth..
I'll ignore that ^^
fuckn clown, why r u pattin urself on the back? :D
But what does this even mean?^^ :laugh:
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Most of u dont even know wat pussy looks like so what makes u think u can understand Mak? I have tha evidence, Im gonna post it in a second. I also have proof that none of them have a girlfriend. So since they dont understand theirselves how do u expect them 2 understand someone else? The amount of disrespect in this thread is crazy. But u can tell that noone is really reading this threads when u divide tha views by tha replies by tha posters. Some fools just really need tha ATTENTION that bad lol
post that shit then? Or is that just more dumb talk from another nigga with a chip on his shoulder? Why are you even still posting in this thread? Being that its below you and all that other bullshit you said in your previous posts...whos the real attention whore here? ;)