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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: G-Bee on July 07, 2011, 05:30:47 AM
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I read this interview with Tommy Stinson, the bassist of (the new) Guns n' Roses. He talks a bit about Jimmy Iovine, and instantly it made me think about Dr. Dre's Detox. Read for yourself:
Chinese Democracy took all of 10 years to make. What was the recording process like? I mean, you couldn’t have been working at it every day for 10 years.
TS: At first we were in there a lot. We were working on the writing aspect of it, but it just kept going on. We had [Interscope Chairman] Jimmy Iovine intervening in a not-so-productive way, and we had other guys coming and going with nutty ideas. My summation of the whole thing is that Interscope, when they took over Geffen, really led Axl to believe that Jimmy Iovine would be involved, and would help get this record done and make it happen. But basically what he did was let it completely fall apart. Then he had this great idea to bring in [producer] Roy Thomas Baker to make it sound better. All he did was re-record everything three or four different times, trying to make it sound like something it didn’t need to sound like, and spend $10 million in the process. My two cents on the whole thing is that I really think Jimmy Iovine fucked the whole thing up.
It was a bummer. Most of the songs that are on the record now were done 10 fucking years ago. But all the talking heads in the mix were saying, “Make ’em sound better! Make ’em sound better!” So we kept redoing this and that. And it ended up coming back down to the same fucking songs that they were 10 years ago, except that now they were a super-dense mishmash of a bunch of instrumentation. That whole era pretty much sums up what happened to the record industry. Those kinds of people, making those kinds of decisions and not really helping the artist.
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My two cents on the whole thing is that I really think Jimmy Iovine fucked the whole thing up.
Too bad no one around (and including) Dre (at least not those who Jimmy brought) has the balls to say that...
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interesting, props for posting
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very interesting indeed........i dont care for DETOX anymore.
after all the wait I know it's going to be a disappointment
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Well that doesn't bode well for Detox
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well i'm sure jimmy came with ideas for Detox.
but i think he wanted the album to be released a long time ago.
he even made jokes about it.
i still think dre is mainly responsible for the delays
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nice post.
dre & jimmy are definitely both to blame for detox...delays and the lack of/unusual direction of associated material (akon, i need a doctor, awful eminem hooks).
i like the quote that the finished product in that case ended up summing up the decline of the industry as a whole. out of touch execs making bad decisions. all the signs point to detox being something similar.
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Props for posting this. I don't listen to Guns & Roses so I had no clue that was an Interscope project. Crazy shit so that means Detox isn't the first 10 year project Jimmy Iovine was involved with.
Yeah good luck with Detox.
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Chinese Democracy was basically Axl and a bunch of replacement players in the mix, not really a Guns album if you asked me. I mean the bassist makes a good point about Jimmy but like Dre-Day said earlier Dre is probably mostly to blame for the delay since he is such a perfectionist and seems to have a bit of lost confidence in himself.
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Chinese Democracy was basically Axl and a bunch of replacement players in the mix, not really a Guns album if you asked me.
Chinese Democracy had some nice songs, but a real Guns N Roses album has Axl AND Slash.
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That whole era pretty much sums up what happened to the record industry. Those kinds of people, making those kinds of decisions and not really helping the artist.
Truth. Let the artists make the music and the execs promote and release the music.
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Truth. Let the artists make the music and the execs promote and release the music.
Easier said than done, especially with the music business being in such shitty shape. Fact is mainstream music is a compromise. Nobody is giving out millions of dollars for these projects, just to sit down and have no say. This has never, ever, been the case. Contrary to how most feel, I think Dre is in a far better spot than most. Interscope needs Detox badly but Jimmy never pulled the kill switch on that one. He's letting Dre take his time. But there's a reality to it as well. Money talks and bullshit walks.
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Chinese Democracy was basically Axl and a bunch of replacement players in the mix, not really a Guns album if you asked me. I mean the bassist makes a good point about Jimmy but like Dre-Day said earlier Dre is probably mostly to blame for the delay since he is such a perfectionist and seems to have a bit of lost confidence in himself.
i hate it when people say that about gnr of today. wheres that same statement for ac/dc, van halen, etc. axl rose is like the barry bonds of music, no matter what he does, sometimes terrible egomaniacal shit and sometimes nothing bad at all, the media hates the guy and has projected this image towards the public who has eaten it up without any questions.
if you listened to chinese democracy, you'd know that the spirit of gnr shows throughout that album. yeah the players are different, but really, who cares? if you dont like the music, cool, but dont let the axl negative hype cloud the songs.
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Truth. Let the artists make the music and the execs promote and release the music.
Easier said than done, especially with the music business being in such shitty shape. Fact is mainstream music is a compromise. Nobody is giving out millions of dollars for these projects, just to sit down and have no say. This has never, ever, been the case. Contrary to how most feel, I think Dre is in a far better spot than most. Interscope needs Detox badly but Jimmy never pulled the kill switch on that one. He's letting Dre take his time. But there's a reality to it as well. Money talks and bullshit walks.
yeah.
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Truth. Let the artists make the music and the execs promote and release the music.
Easier said than done, especially with the music business being in such shitty shape. Fact is mainstream music is a compromise. Nobody is giving out millions of dollars for these projects, just to sit down and have no say. This has never, ever, been the case. Contrary to how most feel, I think Dre is in a far better spot than most. Interscope needs Detox badly but Jimmy never pulled the kill switch on that one. He's letting Dre take his time. But there's a reality to it as well. Money talks and bullshit walks.
I'd have to disagree. I doubt Iovine played much of a role in the Death Row days. There's a difference between approving/signing off on a project and actually micromanaging it. Iovine has been doing the latter for some time now.
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Chinese Democracy was basically Axl and a bunch of replacement players in the mix, not really a Guns album if you asked me. I mean the bassist makes a good point about Jimmy but like Dre-Day said earlier Dre is probably mostly to blame for the delay since he is such a perfectionist and seems to have a bit of lost confidence in himself.
i hate it when people say that about gnr of today. wheres that same statement for ac/dc, van halen, etc. axl rose is like the barry bonds of music, no matter what he does, sometimes terrible egomaniacal shit and sometimes nothing bad at all, the media hates the guy and has projected this image towards the public who has eaten it up without any questions.
if you listened to chinese democracy, you'd know that the spirit of gnr shows throughout that album. yeah the players are different, but really, who cares? if you dont like the music, cool, but dont let the axl negative hype cloud the songs.
not dissing Axl at all, I think the music suffered for various reasons, one of them being that Slash and the rest weren't there. Jimmy obviously played a factor in it as well.
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Chinese Democracy was basically Axl and a bunch of replacement players in the mix, not really a Guns album if you asked me. I mean the bassist makes a good point about Jimmy but like Dre-Day said earlier Dre is probably mostly to blame for the delay since he is such a perfectionist and seems to have a bit of lost confidence in himself.
i hate it when people say that about gnr of today. wheres that same statement for ac/dc, van halen, etc. axl rose is like the barry bonds of music, no matter what he does, sometimes terrible egomaniacal shit and sometimes nothing bad at all, the media hates the guy and has projected this image towards the public who has eaten it up without any questions
ummmm ac/dc only have one good album after bon scott died, and van halen??? who the hell was fuckin with van halen after they switched members??? the point is valid
chinese democracy was an bloated and over-produced piece of shit that had none of the energy of the original guns n roses
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I've been saying this for years. Songs like I need a doctor, which blatantly are complete copycats of other generic ass commercial music, just reek of being influenced by an exec. The amount of new music I have bought has exponentially decreased over the last 10 years, and it has nothing to do with downloading and everything to do with the fact that label execs have completely watered the music down and it sucks.
I can't wait for the day that all the major labels are extinct like the old ass, out-of-touch dinosaurs they are.
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I'd have to disagree. I doubt Iovine played much of a role in the Death Row days. There's a difference between approving/signing off on a project and actually micromanaging it. Iovine has been doing the latter for some time now.
Hey, believe whatever you'd like to but Jimmy's always been running the show. If Death Row handed him something he didn't think would make him profit, the shit wouldn't have come out. I'm not saying record executives are misunderstood sweethearts but there is a certain consistency to their expectations and it's geared toward the bottom line.
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I'd have to disagree. I doubt Iovine played much of a role in the Death Row days. There's a difference between approving/signing off on a project and actually micromanaging it. Iovine has been doing the latter for some time now.
Hey, believe whatever you'd like to but Jimmy's always been running the show. If Death Row handed him something he didn't think would make him profit, the shit wouldn't have come out. I'm not saying record executives are misunderstood sweethearts but there is a certain consistency to their expectations and it's geared toward the bottom line.
I'm not refuting that Jimmy didn't screen any music that came out of Death Row. All label execs review the music to be put out and determine wether it is marketable/sellable, but Jimmy was never directly involved in the recording process in Deth Row like he is with GNR or Aftermath.
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Chinese Democracy was basically Axl and a bunch of replacement players in the mix, not really a Guns album if you asked me. I mean the bassist makes a good point about Jimmy but like Dre-Day said earlier Dre is probably mostly to blame for the delay since he is such a perfectionist and seems to have a bit of lost confidence in himself.
i hate it when people say that about gnr of today. wheres that same statement for ac/dc, van halen, etc. axl rose is like the barry bonds of music, no matter what he does, sometimes terrible egomaniacal shit and sometimes nothing bad at all, the media hates the guy and has projected this image towards the public who has eaten it up without any questions
ummmm ac/dc only have one good album after bon scott died, and van halen??? who the hell was fuckin with van halen after they switched members??? the point is valid
chinese democracy was an bloated and over-produced piece of shit that had none of the energy of the original guns n roses
Well answer this then. Have u listened to what the other former members of GNR have done since leaving GNR? Not even close to what Axls put out on Chinese Democracy. What im saying is at least axl made an attempt (if you think he didnt pull it off, fine) to be different and not put out some generic sounding shit. That right there tells me who was more the creative force behind the band.
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just the other day my homie and I were comparing Detox/Chinese Democracy too lol crazy
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^ not really crazy, the comparison has been made countless times
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"The album changes, the dates change, the climate changes,Interscope changed and went in another direction for a minute and then they come back," Game explained in an interview. "It's just the business; sh*t gets pushed back. Either wait for it or don't buy it. I don't give a f*ck. I never beg anybody to buy my albums"
fuck interscope and jimmy iovine
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Chinese Democracy was basically Axl and a bunch of replacement players in the mix, not really a Guns album if you asked me.
Chinese Democracy had some nice songs, but a real Guns N Roses album has Axl AND Slash.
yes, G n´R hasn´t been the same in 20 years so i wouldn´t put the blame on just Iovine for the outcome . though i don´t doubt his bad influence on any project he´s involved in.
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this kinda explains why D.O.C. was mad about how Dre listens to Jimmy so much.
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this kinda explains why D.O.C. was mad about how Dre listens to Jimmy so much.
D.O.C. is mad that he's not influential like in the past
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this kinda explains why D.O.C. was mad about how Dre listens to Jimmy so much.
D.O.C. is mad that he's not influential like in the past
but imagine seeing one of your best friend listening to someone who blocks progress in the project and when you try to tell your friend how things are, he ignores you and listen to the other fella.
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this kinda explains why D.O.C. was mad about how Dre listens to Jimmy so much.
D.O.C. is mad that he's not influential like in the past
but imagine seeing one of your best friend listening to someone who blocks progress in the project and when you try to tell your friend how things are, he ignores you and listen to the other fella.
jimmy iovone blocks progress? how about dre's mind?
note: i'm not a fan of jimmy ;)
anyway, i've read D.O.C.'s interviews & it seems like he doesn't dare to be honest to dre. he just rants in the media