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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Sir Petey on July 30, 2011, 04:13:38 PM
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as of this moment
dres catalog is untouchable but right now as of today?
...yeah.
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Not sure why I am wasting my time responding to this post but "as of this moment" no one other than clowns on this board are checkin for Khalil..........No one.
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Not sure why I am wasting my time responding to this post but "as of this moment" no one other than clowns on this board are checkin for Khalil..........No one.
oh yeah? so Eminem wasn't checking for him when he threw him on Recovery which went how many times Platinum? and Dre wasn't either when dude produced his best new songs for Detox?
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Not sure why I am wasting my time responding to this post but "as of this moment" no one other than clowns on this board are checkin for Khalil..........No one.
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"Kush" and "Topless", both recent Dre tracks, shit on ANYTHING Khalil has ever done (without Dre)
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khalil produced kush thanks for holding me down playboy (http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/158/xzibit123.gif)
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LOL if u really believe Khalil could make a beat anywhere close to that without Dre
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"Kush" and "Topless", both recent Dre tracks, shit on ANYTHING Khalil has ever done
Khalil produced BOTH of those lol those are the 2 tracks I was referring to 8)
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LOL...just like Daz produced "Dogg Food". Come on, those are signature Dre sounds and melodies, we all know they're more Dre beats than they are Khalil beats. When Khalil makes beats like these without Dre doing most of the work, then lemme know.
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haha fall back nik...you made a mistake its okay it happens to everyone.
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khalil co-produced "kush" with Dre...point stands, khalil could never make beats like that without Dre. and I also highly doubt khalil did anything on "Topless".. Dre was credited for that one solo from what I seen.
post edited for clarification :laugh:
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Here's a Khalil beat that I doubt Dre touched, you guys can judge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwlgFDAmw_8
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Dre most definitely mixed those records but Khalil purely made those beats, without Dre you are right they wouldn't bump the same
Relapse production was great though and Dre's best work in years but I personally haven't heard anything mind-blowing since which is why I agree on Khalil being the better producer at the moment
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thats a shame...niks super masculine hyper competitive alpha male mindstate wont even let him admit he made a mistake hed rather keep up the charade.
you clearly stated he couldnt make a beat like kush or topless then switched up the context of which you said it so as not to look like you made *gasp* a mistake.
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Dre most definitely mixed those records but Khalil purely made those beats, without Dre you are right they wouldn't bump the same
Relapse production was great though and Dre's best work in years but I personally haven't heard anything mind-blowing since which is why I agree on Khalil being the better producer at the moment
I have a feelin Khalil just did the drum patterns, cuz pretty much everything else on that beat screams out signature Dre...Dre is known as someone who jacks beats, but I think he's done just as much ghost production for peeps as he has "jacking". I still think "Dogg Food" is at least half produced by Dre, and most tracks like "Multiply" etc., songs where Dre is credited for only mixing or co-production, usually sound like 90% Dre...theres a reason
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thats a shame...niks super masculine hyper competitive alpha male mindstate wont even let him admit he made a mistake hed rather keep up the charade.
you clearly stated he couldnt make a beat like kush or topless then switched up the context of which you said it so as not to look like you made *gasp* a mistake.
petey, i knew khalil was involved in the beat (youtube had it listed as produced by Dre and Khalil), I just know for a fact that Khalil cant make beats like that...same thing for Daz without Dre behind the boards. this is also the same debate I had about Xzibit's track "Multiply" YEARS ago (check the thread)...No way Dre didn't produced "Kush".
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okay ;)
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as of this moment
dres catalog is untouchable but right now as of today?
...yeah.
i think you meant as of 2006 at least..
khalil been shittin on dre and whichever sidekick he has giving him skeleton beats since before khalil hooked up with him..
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Not sure why I am wasting my time responding to this post but "as of this moment" no one other than clowns on this board are checkin for Khalil..........No one.
LMAOOOOO FOOL
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LOL if u really believe Khalil could make a beat anywhere close to that without Dre
i'm almost sure dre did NOT put his hands topless, jut my opinion though.
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as of this moment
dres catalog is untouchable but right now as of today?
...yeah.
Considering that Khalil admitted in interviews that Dre did more than just "mix" Kush and his beats always sound better on aftermath projects, I'm going to say no.
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as of this moment
dres catalog is untouchable but right now as of today?
...yeah.
Considering that Khalil admitted in interviews that Dre did more than just "mix" Kush and his beats always sound better on aftermath projects, I'm going to say no.
yup that khalil interview was crazy, would be interesting to hear the original khalil version.
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check docs advocate...Khalil can make dre beats these days better then dre can
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DJ Khalil made bangers before he hooked up with Dr. Dre. We all know how Dr. Dre "produces" beats, he has other people creatin' the beat and he tells what he likes and he doesn't like.
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^you can always tell a Dre beat when u hear him..."Kush" and "Topless" are Dre beats.
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I used to buy weed from dj Khalil, he used to always tell me he made beats but I never took him seriously. We were so mad when he blew up and we realized it was him.
With that being said Khalil has been making better beats then dre for over half a decade. All that old strong arm steady shit Khalil was doing like rise shits on anything dre has done since 2001 and Khalil has only got better...
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Khalil >>> E.P >>> Dre at this point in time. The beat dre had on Purp & Patron/Hangover were wack.
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I lurk here all the time, and hardly ever feel the need to post anything, but everyone who shits on Dre is crazy.. For god's sake, look at the man's track record.. How many threads have been posted saying Blank>Dr Dre? I'm a huge fan of Westcoast Hip-Hop, and listen to all the stuff that gets posted in the forums, and not one of those guys gets the same calibre of performance out of the artists that Dre gets, even today..
I swear that most people have no idea what a producer is or does... Do you think it's a guy sitting in a room making little songs on a computer program or a sampler just waiting for some rapper and hook man to come in and lay down his tracks? A producer plays the people who play the music.. They take ideas from artists and musicians, and make it into one cohesive sounding project..
Read this, if it's not too dry and sciencey for you.. If you can get past the fact that it's not an article about what Daz Dillinger's favorite breakfast cereal is, or who is going to save the Westcaost, you might find it interesting and gain some knowledge to back up some of y'all's forum posts in the future...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record_producer
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Don't think anyone can deny dres skills as an overal producer as far as mixing, mastering, overseeing and making the product sound good. But when it comes to beat making Khalil > dre easy...
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Don't think anyone can deny dres skills as an overal producer as far as mixing, mastering, overseeing and making the product sound good. But when it comes to beat making Khalil > dre easy...
Has Dre ever really been a beatmaker though? Can anyone name beats he's done entirely on his own?
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Don't think anyone can deny dres skills as an overal producer as far as mixing, mastering, overseeing and making the product sound good. But when it comes to beat making Khalil > dre easy...
Has Dre ever really been a beatmaker though? Can anyone name beats he's done entirely on his own?
That arguments already been done too many times. Dres like a hero to people on here tho.
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http://twitter.com/#!/Imadeitinc
IMadeItInc DJ Khalil
Just finished mixing with my mentor Dr. Dre. He is the illest. Period.
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interesting ... maybe another mixing session of RED or DETOX
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"Kush" and "Topless", both recent Dre tracks, shit on ANYTHING Khalil has ever done (without Dre)
lmao @ how bad you just failed.
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^you can always tell a Dre beat when u hear him..."Kush" and "Topless" are Dre beats.
Dr. Dre has musicians that play and make the beats. Snoop Dogg and everybody said that shit.
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Stop guessing YOU DONT KNOW
Khalil tells the story about Kush in an interview i cant find right now. He tells he himself made the beat, he gave it to Dre, he loved it. A few days later Khalil got to the studio again, Dre hade made some changes. The changes were a different hihat, and the beat was faster.
This is from another interview:
Kush really sounds like a Dr. Dre joint. Did you focus on coming up with something that you knew he and Snoop would love to write verses to?
K: Yeah, well I mean I been a staff producer for Dr. Dre for over 6 years so you know I’ve studied Dre since NWA since CIA since World Class Wreckin’ Cru, you know I probably own every piece of vinyl Dr. Dre has ever produced.
My opinion, Dre hasnt produced anything i want to listen to since 2006.
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Stop guessing YOU DONT KNOW
Well, i believe Snoop Dogg, Bad Azz, Daz Dillinger, J.Flexx, Sam Sneed and everybody elsey who done said that shit.
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"Kush" and "Topless", both recent Dre tracks, shit on ANYTHING Khalil has ever done (without Dre)
FAIL
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_blAbzE__Zjk/TQTp2H6qkGI/AAAAAAAAAFA/AcaW62um5mo/s1600/kush3.jpg)
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^don't buy it.
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"Kush" and "Topless", both recent Dre tracks, shit on ANYTHING Khalil has ever done (without Dre)
FAIL
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_blAbzE__Zjk/TQTp2H6qkGI/AAAAAAAAAFA/AcaW62um5mo/s1600/kush3.jpg)
dayum, didn't know blaqthoven was on Kush... i'm surprised to see him involved with dre. good to know for dre's music (if he ever checks for blaq's input lol)
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he went back to edit his post after he originally stated khalil couldnt ever make a beat like kush and topless (both khalil beats) it didnt have the "with out dre" part hes just too prideful to ever admit to making a mistake on here.
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I like Khalil but...
Relapse>anything Khalil has produced IMO
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he went back to edit his post after he originally stated khalil couldnt ever make a beat like kush and topless (both khalil beats) it didnt have the "with out dre" part hes just too prideful to ever admit to making a mistake on here.
Petey, ur trippin balls, son...i never knew Khalil was credited for solo production on "Kush", you're right, but lmao if u think I didn't know he was involved in the track... I always thought it was Dre co-produced by Khalil...I still think that. If "2001" was credited the same way, Scott Storch and Mel Man would have been credited for solo production on half the tracks. I think the only reason Dre has been giving production credits to other artists lately is because he is sick of being accused of stealing peoples beats...bottom line, it's the Dre sound that makes those Khalil beats go hard. Khalil would never produce a beat that good if it weren't Dre's...maybe I did make a mistake, but my point still stands.
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After all the bullshit Khalill>Dre comments, I stand by my statement. "Aint nobody checkin for Khalil". Please. Thanks NIKCC and the other real hip hop heads for holding it down..K.P. must stand for Khalil's Punk, Pussy,Piece I guess. Khalil could put out a CD of instrumentals with months of promotion and no one would give a fuck. Dude is a very good Beatmaker..Hip Hop Hooray. I give him credit for that cause hip hop needs beatmakers...Maybe he will hire K.P. and the rest of the Khalil Dreamers on this board.
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shitloads of producers are better now than dre is. The man was untouchable in his prime but how is he even a contender considering all the disappointing shit we've heard? Everyone falls off, some people here need to just accept that.
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shitloads of producers are better now than dre is. The man was untouchable in his prime but how is he even a contender considering all the disappointing shit we've heard? Everyone falls off, some people here need to just accept that.
Agreed...But we cannot compare someone who has produced a few hitsongs the last couple of years 2 a producer who had generations of hits and continously invented himself. And made really rare classics with a sound that unique that it changed the game.
The beginning 90's dre is different then the mid 90's dre and the 20's dre is different then today.
If you want 2 compare him, compare him 2 a producer who is on pare with him, like Timbaland. Although I don't like his music, he has the same inventiveness production-wise.
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shitloads of producers are better now than dre is. The man was untouchable in his prime but how is he even a contender considering all the disappointing shit we've heard? Everyone falls off, some people here need to just accept that.
Agreed...But we cannot compare someone who has produced a few hitsongs the last couple of years 2 a producer who had generations of hits and continously invented himself. And made really rare classics with a sound that unique that it changed the game.
The beginning 90's dre is different then the mid 90's dre and the 20's dre is different then today.
If you want 2 compare him, compare him 2 a producer who is on pare with him, like Timbaland. Although I don't like his music, he has the same inventiveness production-wise.
the thread topic was who is the better producer today
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He's not a better producer.. You might like his beats better, but he can't produce a product from start to finish like Dre can, IMO...
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dubcnn.com : The Neptunes ain't as dope as Dre though man..
Shiiit.. It's opinionated, I ain't gonna try and force my opinion on you, but I say it, write it down in my interview, Bad Azz said The Neptunes are as dope as Dr. Dre. And I didn't say doper, and they're new, they ain't as old as Dre, but on me, they PRODUCED all they songs, Dre don't produce all his songs, look Dre gets props for songs that he didn't produce! So who's doper? The Neptunes produce allllll they're songs, Dre gets props for.. Focus produces Dre songs, Mel Man produces Dre songs, Daz produced Dre songs, Warren G has produced Dre songs, like remember that Watcher song? Dre didn't do that beat! Dre did not do that beat! 50% of the shit Dre does, he doesn't really do! He has this little kid named Ryan right now, that nigga is DOPE as fuck! He has this guy named Focus that produces beats.. You know who else like got a song compilation wit Dre.. Khalil, Khalil has been producin for Dre. Dre needs dope producers, and he'll take a rough track that they did and he'll fix it up and he produced it. The Neptunes are way doper than Dre, Battlecat is way doper, I'm talkin' about niggas like Jelly Roll, that produce, really produce they're own tracks. Did you hear that song Jelly Roll produced for Dre? On the Wash soundtrack? Comon now, Dr. Dre hasn't made a beat that dope in years, and that's Jelly Roll! But people think Dre did it! Even The Wash, what about that, that's the last beat Dre did that I can honestly say Dre did, and that's a sample! Dre did that, that's a Dre beat, but c'mon man I can name a gang of beats that are tighter than that that people think Dre did, so I feel you when you say like "Dre! He's the greatest!" but believe me man, alotta these young niggas are doper than him, but he has the credit, he as the power, he's the man, he's the credible producer that says "I did more work, I did produce more songs than you guys" So it's not like these niggas ain't better, caues Jelly Roll, I'ma be honest with you, Jelly Roll, BattleCat, Fredwreck, The Neptunes, Just
Blaze, those niggas are fuckin wit Dre man. And these new dope ass producers that are really makin the hits right now, they fuckin wit him man! Mel Man..have you heard Mel Mans shit?
dubcnn.com : Of course!
Mel Man is fuckin vicious, and now Mel Mans still produces shit that Dre gets credit for right now! And that's why I say The Neptunes is nobody that produces for them! The Neptunes are Chad, Hugo and Pharrell Williams and thats it. They make ALL the beats, that little chinese dude thats behind Pharell, he makes, he programs beats, Pharell does the keyboard and the hook, and that's the beat. And they produce for Michael Jackson, they produce for Justin Timberlake, they killin Dre! They REALLY get 100Gs a track, Dre don't get 100 Gs a track! From who? Who does Dre sell? He sellin to Eminem for 100 Gs a track? Nooo, he GIVIN Eminem beats? Snoop ain't buyin no tracks from Dre for 100 Gs, The Neptunes are really sellin beats to people for 100 Gs. Pass The Courvoisier, they got 100 Gs for that, Beautiful, they got 100 Gs for that, that other song Snoop did, they got a 100 Gs for that. They got $200,000 from Snoop for his record, for that. Dre ain't gettin paid like that! He's not, I swear to god, and the reason why I say that is that Dre makes DEAL. Like Jay-Z is gonna say look Dre, gimme 2 beats I'll write you two verses. So he ain't gettin 100 Gs a beat, I mean he's worth a 100Gs a
beat, they gonna sell enough copies for him to make 100 Gs, but he ain't gettin paid believe me, mark my words, he ain't gettin paid like the neptunes. Like Rodney Jerkins, he produces R&B, he gets 150-200 Gs a TRACK! Dre ain't gettin that! And even though like I said Dre is worth it, but he ain't gettin that. If we name all the artists Dre produced for recently, 50 Cent ain't payed 100 Gs for these tracks, Dre gave him those beats! He might have got 40 or 50 a beat because Interscope probably paid him.. All in all Dre ain't even workin for no outside people that would! Anybody thats big enough to pay 100 Gs for a Dre track, if they do they stupid because like if Tony Braxton want a Dre beat, all she has to do is say "look Dre I'll do you a favor you'll give me a beat" Or they gonna get it discounted, that's why I say The Neptunes are really gettin 100 Gs a beat. But that's just because I give credit where credit is due, I don't say nothing against Dre dog, Dre is the greatest producer that ever touched the game, but because of alotta reasons, not because he's the best beat maker right now because he's not. And I know it, I swear to god I know it. He gets dope beats from all the dope niggas that's out there! He gets beats from Battlecat, he gets beats from Jelly Roll, and he changes them up a little bit and putsh is name on
them. He gets beats from this little nigga named Ryan. He plays in the church, he plays in the fuckin church, and this dude named Focus, he was makin beats at his house, and he was so killer, somebody took a beat to Dre, like listen to this beat. And he was like "Who made that?" Listens to this other one and he was so dope Dre was like "Man bring him to me!" You understand what I'm sayin? But Dre is smart, that's smart, that's how I am, I can't produce a beat, I'ma be like Dr. Dre, I'ma hook up wit every dope producer and put it out under my jurisdiction!
http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/badazz/
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bad azz was probably just pissed that he didnt get a dre beat
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bad azz was probably just pissed that he didnt get a dre beat
Yeah, he probably was and that's why he told the truth about what's goin' on behind closed doors.
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Aint other people brought that up before.
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bad azz was probably just pissed that he didnt get a dre beat
Yeah, he probably was and that's why he told the truth about what's goin' on behind closed doors.
he sounds bitter, thats not hard to tell. its too bad theres no audio available for the interview, im sure it would have been more obvious.
at the end of the day, he went on tour with the fraud
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Why do some people on here refuse to believe anythin negative about Dre.
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Why do some people on here refuse to believe anythin negative about Dre.
That's what i wonder too. I mean, even Snoop Dogg has said that Dre has other people makin' beats for him and still some people won't believe it.
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After all the bullshit Khalill>Dre comments, I stand by my statement. "Aint nobody checkin for Khalil". Please. Thanks NIKCC and the other real hip hop heads for holding it down..K.P. must stand for Khalil's Punk, Pussy,Piece I guess. Khalil could put out a CD of instrumentals with months of promotion and no one would give a fuck. Dude is a very good Beatmaker..Hip Hop Hooray. I give him credit for that cause hip hop needs beatmakers...Maybe he will hire K.P. and the rest of the Khalil Dreamers on this board.
its thats serious huh? lol
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dubcnn.com : The Neptunes ain't as dope as Dre though man..
Shiiit.. It's opinionated, I ain't gonna try and force my opinion on you, but I say it, write it down in my interview, Bad Azz said The Neptunes are as dope as Dr. Dre. And I didn't say doper, and they're new, they ain't as old as Dre, but on me, they PRODUCED all they songs, Dre don't produce all his songs, look Dre gets props for songs that he didn't produce! So who's doper? The Neptunes produce allllll they're songs, Dre gets props for.. Focus produces Dre songs, Mel Man produces Dre songs, Daz produced Dre songs, Warren G has produced Dre songs, like remember that Watcher song? Dre didn't do that beat! Dre did not do that beat! 50% of the shit Dre does, he doesn't really do! He has this little kid named Ryan right now, that nigga is DOPE as fuck! He has this guy named Focus that produces beats.. You know who else like got a song compilation wit Dre.. Khalil, Khalil has been producin for Dre. Dre needs dope producers, and he'll take a rough track that they did and he'll fix it up and he produced it. The Neptunes are way doper than Dre, Battlecat is way doper, I'm talkin' about niggas like Jelly Roll, that produce, really produce they're own tracks. Did you hear that song Jelly Roll produced for Dre? On the Wash soundtrack? Comon now, Dr. Dre hasn't made a beat that dope in years, and that's Jelly Roll! But people think Dre did it! Even The Wash, what about that, that's the last beat Dre did that I can honestly say Dre did, and that's a sample! Dre did that, that's a Dre beat, but c'mon man I can name a gang of beats that are tighter than that that people think Dre did, so I feel you when you say like "Dre! He's the greatest!" but believe me man, alotta these young niggas are doper than him, but he has the credit, he as the power, he's the man, he's the credible producer that says "I did more work, I did produce more songs than you guys" So it's not like these niggas ain't better, caues Jelly Roll, I'ma be honest with you, Jelly Roll, BattleCat, Fredwreck, The Neptunes, Just
Blaze, those niggas are fuckin wit Dre man. And these new dope ass producers that are really makin the hits right now, they fuckin wit him man! Mel Man..have you heard Mel Mans shit?
dubcnn.com : Of course!
Mel Man is fuckin vicious, and now Mel Mans still produces shit that Dre gets credit for right now! And that's why I say The Neptunes is nobody that produces for them! The Neptunes are Chad, Hugo and Pharrell Williams and thats it. They make ALL the beats, that little chinese dude thats behind Pharell, he makes, he programs beats, Pharell does the keyboard and the hook, and that's the beat. And they produce for Michael Jackson, they produce for Justin Timberlake, they killin Dre! They REALLY get 100Gs a track, Dre don't get 100 Gs a track! From who? Who does Dre sell? He sellin to Eminem for 100 Gs a track? Nooo, he GIVIN Eminem beats? Snoop ain't buyin no tracks from Dre for 100 Gs, The Neptunes are really sellin beats to people for 100 Gs. Pass The Courvoisier, they got 100 Gs for that, Beautiful, they got 100 Gs for that, that other song Snoop did, they got a 100 Gs for that. They got $200,000 from Snoop for his record, for that. Dre ain't gettin paid like that! He's not, I swear to god, and the reason why I say that is that Dre makes DEAL. Like Jay-Z is gonna say look Dre, gimme 2 beats I'll write you two verses. So he ain't gettin 100 Gs a beat, I mean he's worth a 100Gs a
beat, they gonna sell enough copies for him to make 100 Gs, but he ain't gettin paid believe me, mark my words, he ain't gettin paid like the neptunes. Like Rodney Jerkins, he produces R&B, he gets 150-200 Gs a TRACK! Dre ain't gettin that! And even though like I said Dre is worth it, but he ain't gettin that. If we name all the artists Dre produced for recently, 50 Cent ain't payed 100 Gs for these tracks, Dre gave him those beats! He might have got 40 or 50 a beat because Interscope probably paid him.. All in all Dre ain't even workin for no outside people that would! Anybody thats big enough to pay 100 Gs for a Dre track, if they do they stupid because like if Tony Braxton want a Dre beat, all she has to do is say "look Dre I'll do you a favor you'll give me a beat" Or they gonna get it discounted, that's why I say The Neptunes are really gettin 100 Gs a beat. But that's just because I give credit where credit is due, I don't say nothing against Dre dog, Dre is the greatest producer that ever touched the game, but because of alotta reasons, not because he's the best beat maker right now because he's not. And I know it, I swear to god I know it. He gets dope beats from all the dope niggas that's out there! He gets beats from Battlecat, he gets beats from Jelly Roll, and he changes them up a little bit and putsh is name on
them. He gets beats from this little nigga named Ryan. He plays in the church, he plays in the fuckin church, and this dude named Focus, he was makin beats at his house, and he was so killer, somebody took a beat to Dre, like listen to this beat. And he was like "Who made that?" Listens to this other one and he was so dope Dre was like "Man bring him to me!" You understand what I'm sayin? But Dre is smart, that's smart, that's how I am, I can't produce a beat, I'ma be like Dr. Dre, I'ma hook up wit every dope producer and put it out under my jurisdiction!
http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/badazz/
what Bad Azz fails to realize is that there's a whole lot more to producing than just making a beat....thats what I was saying earlier. If u wanna say Khalil produced "Kush", you might as well say Warren G+Daz produced "Doggystyle" and Mel Man+Scott Storch produced "2001"...but at the end of the day, without Dre's signature touches, those beats would be just good, not great, and those albums would not have been amongst the greatests of all time...I've noticed that lately, Dre has felt inclined to give other producers credit on tracks that he would've taken production credits for back in the days.. but ears don't lie, it's obvious who does the bulk of the work on those productions. On top of that, Baz Azz definitely sounds bitter over something, as he's giving Dre a lot less credit than he deserves...Dre takes a beat that woiuld be a 5/10, puts his touches on it, gives it his signature sound, and makes it a 10/10...
At the end of the day, Dre could makes classics without Khalil...Khalil can not make classics without Dre. Dre is the GOAT when it comes to perfecting a beat and he has a signature sound on all of his productions, so to sit there and act like he just jacks beats is a joke...if anything, he ghost-produces beats just as much as he "jacks" 'em, so that shit evens out. Case in point, "Dogg Food"...Daz hasn't done anything on that level since Dre "mixed" those beats. Dre=GOAT. Khalil=dope, but not amongst the greatests.
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Khalil has made classic beats before he was with Dre.
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Khalil has made classic beats before he was with Dre.
he's made some bangers...i duno about classic. people throw that word around 2 freely.
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nik stays losing. for a jew you cant argue very well
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not arguing...stating facts
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whatever jew say
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Dead this. There's no comparison once you are looking at who has been better the past few years. The past few years Khalil has made better productions than Dre. And the best productions Dre has been involved in has been with the assistance of Khalil where most of the time he isn't even the primary producer. Cmon now, even the die hard Dre stans have been shitting on his recent work. That alone tells you who is the better producer now.
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Dre's beats have been shitty for years now irrespective of who's been doing them.
The few Khalil beats I've heard recently are horrible as well. He had the worst track on Raekwon's most recent release, it completely killed the flow of the album.
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Dead this. There's no comparison once you are looking at who has been better the past few years. The past few years Khalil has made better productions than Dre. And the best productions Dre has been involved in has been with the assistance of Khalil where most of the time he isn't even the primary producer. Cmon now, even the die hard Dre stans have been shitting on his recent work. That alone tells you who is the better producer now.
I don't like Dre's recent LEAKS (with the exception of "Topless"), but Khalil cannot perfect a sound like Dre. Most of the leaks we got were supposedly produced by Khalil, and they sound too pop influenced. You can tell those songs are incomplete, though, so we never heard them the way Dre intended us to hear them. Only "Kush" was released with Dre's finishing touches, and that beat shits on anything Khalil can do without the help of Dre...nowadays, almost anyone can make a beat that bumps, but i haven't heard any of these producers actually produce a beat that sounds crisp+clean and can bump like a Dre production. DJ Quik is up there, but those 2 stand alone. After "Detox" is released, we can have this discussion, but as of now, Dre has not released enough finished material to be compared to Khalil currently, so while Khalil might have him beat in quantity, he aint even close in quality.
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Dead this. There's no comparison once you are looking at who has been better the past few years. The past few years Khalil has made better productions than Dre. And the best productions Dre has been involved in has been with the assistance of Khalil where most of the time he isn't even the primary producer. Cmon now, even the die hard Dre stans have been shitting on his recent work. That alone tells you who is the better producer now.
I don't like Dre's recent LEAKS (with the exception of "Topless"), but Khalil cannot perfect a sound like Dre. Most of the leaks we got were supposedly produced by Khalil, and they sound too pop influenced. You can tell those songs are incomplete, though, so we never heard them the way Dre intended us to hear them. Only "Kush" was released with Dre's finishing touches, and that beat shits on anything Khalil can do without the help of Dre...nowadays, almost anyone can make a beat that bumps, but i haven't heard any of these producers actually produce a beat that sounds crisp+clean and can bump like a Dre production. DJ Quik is up there, but those 2 stand alone. After "Detox" is released, we can have this discussion, but as of now, Dre has not released enough finished material to be compared to Khalil currently, so while Khalil might have him beat in quantity, he aint even close in quality.
What songs has Dre "perfected" in recent years? Kush was produced by Khalil. Check. "PRODUCED" by Khalil. And that's the ONLY song from Dre people on here were remotely feeling. Where are these Dre productions to prove he's even relevant? Like name even one. Quality-wise, Khalil songs >>> Dre songs, any idiot can see that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-4-VfHzdio :Here's a Khalil production from this year that needs zero help being perfected.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVfVL62M8Cc: Here's a song that bangs harder than anything Dre produced during that time
You're just in denial.
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Also lol @ judging a production by its "crispiness." That may be Dre's style but it doesn't make him a better producer over others. RZA and Primo are two elite producers who don't care about the "crispiness" of their productions at all. Last time I checked, mixing and mastering are separate from producing.
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alot of better beatmakres than Dre --- J Dilla, Khalil, etc etc
but as far as producing "songs", Dres the best there is, period
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Dead this. There's no comparison once you are looking at who has been better the past few years. The past few years Khalil has made better productions than Dre. And the best productions Dre has been involved in has been with the assistance of Khalil where most of the time he isn't even the primary producer. Cmon now, even the die hard Dre stans have been shitting on his recent work. That alone tells you who is the better producer now.
I don't like Dre's recent LEAKS (with the exception of "Topless"), but Khalil cannot perfect a sound like Dre. Most of the leaks we got were supposedly produced by Khalil, and they sound too pop influenced. You can tell those songs are incomplete, though, so we never heard them the way Dre intended us to hear them. Only "Kush" was released with Dre's finishing touches, and that beat shits on anything Khalil can do without the help of Dre...nowadays, almost anyone can make a beat that bumps, but i haven't heard any of these producers actually produce a beat that sounds crisp+clean and can bump like a Dre production. DJ Quik is up there, but those 2 stand alone. After "Detox" is released, we can have this discussion, but as of now, Dre has not released enough finished material to be compared to Khalil currently, so while Khalil might have him beat in quantity, he aint even close in quality.
What songs has Dre "perfected" in recent years? Kush was produced by Khalil. Check. "PRODUCED" by Khalil. And that's the ONLY song from Dre people on here were remotely feeling. Where are these Dre productions to prove he's even relevant? Like name even one. Quality-wise, Khalil songs >>> Dre songs, any idiot can see that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-4-VfHzdio :Here's a Khalil production from this year that needs zero help being perfected.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVfVL62M8Cc: Here's a song that bangs harder than anything Dre produced during that time
You're just in denial.
Like I said, "Kush" was produced by Dre just as much as any track on "2001"...the critics have gotten to Dre so much that he's decided to only take credit for mixing, when he obviously did a lot more for the beat. Those songs u just posted don't even come close to the classics Dre has produced...Bottom line, Khalil has a long way to go before he reaches Dre's status. the fact that Dre hasn't even released songs in years and is still relevant speaks for itself. If Khalil stopped making songs for as long as Dre has no one would know who the fuck he even was.
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Also lol @ judging a production by its "crispiness." That may be Dre's style but it doesn't make him a better producer over others. RZA and Primo are two elite producers who don't care about the "crispiness" of their productions at all. Last time I checked, mixing and mastering are separate from producing.
Dre structures a beat like no other...this is indeed a part of producing. Primo and RZA have perfected the raw sound, but neither are as good as Dre at producing.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQKLtgE3mRE bishop lamont - send a nigga home (prod by dj khalil)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR8IoZ_NIvY Evidence - All Said & Done feat. Kobe (prod by dj khalil)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdYtP5zZYvo Strong Arm Steady - Rize (prod by dj khalil)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NVCYJOnY9E The Game - My Bitch (prod by dj khalil)
all better then any dre beat made in the last decade. But they have different styles so to each its own
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Like I said, "Kush" was produced by Dre just as much as any track on "2001"...the critics have gotten to Dre so much that he's decided to only take credit for mixing, when he obviously did a lot more for the beat. Those songs u just posted don't even come close to the classics Dre has produced...Bottom line, Khalil has a long way to go before he reaches Dre's status. the fact that Dre hasn't even released songs in years and is still relevant speaks for itself. If Khalil stopped making songs for as long as Dre has no one would know who the fuck he even was.
Dre is takin' credit for mixing because that's what he did. It's simple as that.
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Beat making is most important element in my opinion. I mean if the melodies are shitty or don't have a harmony.. no amount of mixing or "producing" will make it sound good. That's all there is to it...
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alot of better beatmakres than Dre --- J Dilla, Khalil, etc etc
but as far as producing "songs", Dres the best there is, period
I agree in the overall grand scheme of things.
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Dead this. There's no comparison once you are looking at who has been better the past few years. The past few years Khalil has made better productions than Dre. And the best productions Dre has been involved in has been with the assistance of Khalil where most of the time he isn't even the primary producer. Cmon now, even the die hard Dre stans have been shitting on his recent work. That alone tells you who is the better producer now.
I don't like Dre's recent LEAKS (with the exception of "Topless"), but Khalil cannot perfect a sound like Dre. Most of the leaks we got were supposedly produced by Khalil, and they sound too pop influenced. You can tell those songs are incomplete, though, so we never heard them the way Dre intended us to hear them. Only "Kush" was released with Dre's finishing touches, and that beat shits on anything Khalil can do without the help of Dre...nowadays, almost anyone can make a beat that bumps, but i haven't heard any of these producers actually produce a beat that sounds crisp+clean and can bump like a Dre production. DJ Quik is up there, but those 2 stand alone. After "Detox" is released, we can have this discussion, but as of now, Dre has not released enough finished material to be compared to Khalil currently, so while Khalil might have him beat in quantity, he aint even close in quality.
What songs has Dre "perfected" in recent years? Kush was produced by Khalil. Check. "PRODUCED" by Khalil. And that's the ONLY song from Dre people on here were remotely feeling. Where are these Dre productions to prove he's even relevant? Like name even one. Quality-wise, Khalil songs >>> Dre songs, any idiot can see that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-4-VfHzdio :Here's a Khalil production from this year that needs zero help being perfected.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVfVL62M8Cc: Here's a song that bangs harder than anything Dre produced during that time
You're just in denial.
Like I said, "Kush" was produced by Dre just as much as any track on "2001"...the critics have gotten to Dre so much that he's decided to only take credit for mixing, when he obviously did a lot more for the beat. Those songs u just posted don't even come close to the classics Dre has produced...Bottom line, Khalil has a long way to go before he reaches Dre's status. the fact that Dre hasn't even released songs in years and is still relevant speaks for itself. If Khalil stopped making songs for as long as Dre has no one would know who the fuck he even was.
lmao so now you're that desperate to have to guess at Dre productions when it was clearly credited to someone else. Your fanboyism is amazing. Why would you credit it to dr dre when everything else says otherwise? Because it sounds like a dre beat? You do realize that Khalil made the beat specifically for dre right?
As far the songs I've posted not being on the level of Dre's classics. Definitely not. Dre in his prime was damn near untouchable, definitely not by Khalil. But Dre's last classic was over 10 years ago. Again, the topic is who is the better producer today. Everyone falls off, and what Dre has done in the past few years shows us exactly that. He's not close to the producer he once was. I don't even put Khalil in the top 10 producers today, but he's definitely putting out better productions than dre is.
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Beat making is most important element in my opinion. I mean if the melodies are shitty or don't have a harmony.. no amount of mixing or "producing" will make it sound good. That's all there is to it...
lol mixing ain't producing. It obviously hasn't saved I Need a Doctor or Under Pressure from being trash. Just listen to 36 Chambers to find out exactly how important mixing and mastering is. Some beats sound better clean, others dont.
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Like I said, "Kush" was produced by Dre just as much as any track on "2001"...the critics have gotten to Dre so much that he's decided to only take credit for mixing, when he obviously did a lot more for the beat. Those songs u just posted don't even come close to the classics Dre has produced...Bottom line, Khalil has a long way to go before he reaches Dre's status. the fact that Dre hasn't even released songs in years and is still relevant speaks for itself. If Khalil stopped making songs for as long as Dre has no one would know who the fuck he even was.
Dre is takin' credit for mixing because that's what he did. It's simple as that.
producers will come to Dre with skeleton beats and concepts, and he will put his touches on it and make it his own. he's always been doin this, only back in the day he would actually take credit as the main producer (like what Bad Azz said)...Nowadays, he's giving the bulk of the credit to his right-hand man. still, u cant fool the ear...a dre beat is as recognizable as sinatra's voice. i will forever consider "respect" a dre beat, just like i will always consider "kush" a dre beat. i dont buy the mixing bullshit...if those tracks are not produced by dre, neither are a bulk of his classics.
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Dead this. There's no comparison once you are looking at who has been better the past few years. The past few years Khalil has made better productions than Dre. And the best productions Dre has been involved in has been with the assistance of Khalil where most of the time he isn't even the primary producer. Cmon now, even the die hard Dre stans have been shitting on his recent work. That alone tells you who is the better producer now.
I don't like Dre's recent LEAKS (with the exception of "Topless"), but Khalil cannot perfect a sound like Dre. Most of the leaks we got were supposedly produced by Khalil, and they sound too pop influenced. You can tell those songs are incomplete, though, so we never heard them the way Dre intended us to hear them. Only "Kush" was released with Dre's finishing touches, and that beat shits on anything Khalil can do without the help of Dre...nowadays, almost anyone can make a beat that bumps, but i haven't heard any of these producers actually produce a beat that sounds crisp+clean and can bump like a Dre production. DJ Quik is up there, but those 2 stand alone. After "Detox" is released, we can have this discussion, but as of now, Dre has not released enough finished material to be compared to Khalil currently, so while Khalil might have him beat in quantity, he aint even close in quality.
What songs has Dre "perfected" in recent years? Kush was produced by Khalil. Check. "PRODUCED" by Khalil. And that's the ONLY song from Dre people on here were remotely feeling. Where are these Dre productions to prove he's even relevant? Like name even one. Quality-wise, Khalil songs >>> Dre songs, any idiot can see that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-4-VfHzdio :Here's a Khalil production from this year that needs zero help being perfected.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVfVL62M8Cc: Here's a song that bangs harder than anything Dre produced during that time
You're just in denial.
Like I said, "Kush" was produced by Dre just as much as any track on "2001"...the critics have gotten to Dre so much that he's decided to only take credit for mixing, when he obviously did a lot more for the beat. Those songs u just posted don't even come close to the classics Dre has produced...Bottom line, Khalil has a long way to go before he reaches Dre's status. the fact that Dre hasn't even released songs in years and is still relevant speaks for itself. If Khalil stopped making songs for as long as Dre has no one would know who the fuck he even was.
lmao so now you're that desperate to have to guess at Dre productions when it was clearly credited to someone else. Your fanboyism is amazing. Why would you credit it to dr dre when everything else says otherwise? Because it sounds like a dre beat? You do realize that Khalil made the beat specifically for dre right?
As far the songs I've posted not being on the level of Dre's classics. Definitely not. Dre in his prime was damn near untouchable, definitely not by Khalil. But Dre's last classic was over 10 years ago. Again, the topic is who is the better producer today. Everyone falls off, and what Dre has done in the past few years shows us exactly that. He's not close to the producer he once was. I don't even put Khalil in the top 10 producers today, but he's definitely putting out better productions than dre is.
like Bad Azz said, most of Dre's producing is not even in laying the beat...it's in perfecting the sound of the beat and layering it perfectly, tweakin melodies and sounds to it's optimal potential...that is far more than "mixing". that is what he's been doing his whole career. sometimes, people dont understand and they diss dre, as if he "stole" the beat, but fact of the matter is that Dre owns the beat, he takes a mediocre beat and makes it great...that is what he did with "Kush".
and you say Dre hasn't put out quality work..."Relapse" had some good Dre beats. better than a lot of the poppy beats i hear Khalil makin nowadays. regardless, Dre hasn't been putting out his work...he has to have 1000+ beats he's worked on for "Detox" laying in the vault. just cuz u aint heard it dont mean it dont exist...thats why i say, wait for "Detox" to drop, then we can have this discussion. just cuz Dre hasn't produced as much as Khalil doesn't make Khalil the better producer. if "Detox" drops and there arent any mind-blowing Dre productions, i will be majorly disappointed and i will also eat my words.
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Relapse did have some nice beats on it. But that was 2 years ago. And nothing on a classic status. I was actually getting excited for Detox when I heard those beats. But everything since then's been disappointing.
Dre turns mediocre beats into great ones? Lol where is there any proof of this? Let me hear a wack beat that Dre made dope. There's no evidence that Dre even touched Kush. He's not given any production credit, hence you have nothing to base your little theory on. If Detox drops and has classic beats, then we can speak of his comeback, but until then we have to go on what we've seen. Which is nothing. He's done no great or even decent producing these past 2 years. When a once great producer is making wack songs, we have to go ahead and say they've fallen off. That's all there is to it.
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Don't think anyone can deny dres skills as an overal producer as far as mixing, mastering, overseeing and making the product sound good. But when it comes to beat making Khalil > dre easy...
Has Dre ever really been a beatmaker though? Can anyone name beats he's done entirely on his own?
so what's the point in comparing these two then? it's like comparing screenwirter with director...
i mean... if Dre is producer (not beatmaker) and Khalil is beatmaker (not producer) then why you people argue over who's better?
Dre turns mediocre beats into great ones? Lol where is there any proof of this? Let me hear a wack beat that Dre made dope.
some real talk. people need to give up with all these Dre myths. Most of them were made up to defend his skills...
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No one even gon mention "Da Shit", that tracks underrated. The beat, the vocals, the screams and Games flow 8)
But thats quite old and I aint really been feelin Khalil's recent shit.
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No one even gon mention "Da Shit", that tracks underrated. The beat, the vocals, the screams and Games flow 8)
But thats quite old and I aint really been feelin Khalil's recent shit.
Maybe Dre did put his magical touches on "da shit". Who knows ? thats plausible to me. It sounds cleaner that almost any other Khalil beat.
Or maybe he just took his time and surpassed himself, had a great mixer...
Anyway, khalil is pure dope and brings a new sound to the game, yes it IS a new sound. But still, he aint on that relapse level for exemple.
No one can f**k with relapse' production, its insanely brillant.
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Anyway, khalil is pure dope and brings a new sound to the game, yes it IS a new sound. But still, he aint on that relapse level for exemple.
No one can f**k with relapse' production, its insanely brillant.
"Stay Wide Awake" was the only amazing beat on the album IMO. "Medicine Ball" had a bangin' beat too. I never liked the production on the album.
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the thread topic was who is the better producer today
Well if we look at contemporary producers, You just cannot pick a timeframe and compare it to another contemporary producer.
Because if we have to take into consideration the bagage these producers have.
Even Dre in his “prime-period” had records out that in my opinion where not my taste.
Just 2 name an view:
- “NWA” – Hello
- “NWA” feat Snoop – Chin Check
- The Firm
- Warren G – Lookin at you
Those NWA reboots where a Joke, compared 2 old school NWA.
But that is why he is so good, he experimented with sounds and sometimes it is your taste: think of the first time you heard Still DRE or nuthing but a G thing.
And sometimes it is a miss.
Anywayz, I stil think Dr Dre is on a level all these one-Hitt wonders will have 2 dream off.
Comparing Khalil, is like Comparing a City-Major 2 a President. And saying you dont have 2 look at their track record, but what he did for my city.
It is just ridiculous.
Peace out.
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alot of better beatmakres than Dre --- J Dilla, Khalil, etc etc
but as far as producing "songs", Dres the best there is, period
Man, real talk... The beat making part is subjective, but somebody would be hard pressed to argue the second point.. I made a post with the same point on page 2.. I knew nobody would read it, and just keep arguing the same points over and over...
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Khalil IS on fire lately (I Don't Need No Bitch, Kush), and dude IS a dope producer in his own right. The key, though, is Dre's touch. Could Khalil make a beat like this on his own?
A good example of Dre's touch is Busta's "Been Through the Storm"...Snoop said that beat was shit until Dre put his hands on it, and it became a great song after he mixed and co-produced it.
Dre definitely hasn't had the golden touch lately, not on Relapse, not on Recovery, not any of the new Game tracks, and none of the Detox tracks either. INAD pretty much told us where Dre's beat game is at right now...that was a HORRIBLE beat, and Dre used it anyway instead of making a much better one himself. Still, I hold out hope. I, for one, love Kush (just not Akon).
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I think DJ Khalil vs Scott Storch is more appropriate...
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Like I said, "Kush" was produced by Dre just as much as any track on "2001"...the critics have gotten to Dre so much that he's decided to only take credit for mixing, when he obviously did a lot more for the beat. Those songs u just posted don't even come close to the classics Dre has produced...Bottom line, Khalil has a long way to go before he reaches Dre's status. the fact that Dre hasn't even released songs in years and is still relevant speaks for itself. If Khalil stopped making songs for as long as Dre has no one would know who the fuck he even was.
Dre is takin' credit for mixing because that's what he did. It's simple as that.
producers will come to Dre with skeleton beats and concepts, and he will put his touches on it and make it his own. he's always been doin this, only back in the day he would actually take credit as the main producer (like what Bad Azz said)...Nowadays, he's giving the bulk of the credit to his right-hand man. still, u cant fool the ear...a dre beat is as recognizable as sinatra's voice. i will forever consider "respect" a dre beat, just like i will always consider "kush" a dre beat. i dont buy the mixing bullshit...if those tracks are not produced by dre, neither are a bulk of his classics.
Other people make Dr.Dre's beats. Here's a list of people who all have said it.
Bad Azz
Big Chuck
Cold187Um
Daz Dillinger
Emanuel Dean
J.Flexx
Neff-U
Sam Sneed
Scott Storch
Snoop Dogg
To Dre's defense, he's always been characterized as a producer in the classical sense. While he does all the drum programming, Dre doesn't play any instruments. Instead, he works with and directs musicians who then translate his vision. On The Chronic 2001, Dre collaborated with producers/musicians Mel-Man, Scott Storch and Mike Elizondo - all of which received credit for their work. While Dre may not lay the string arrangement or piano keys to a beat, he's still arranging and directing the song.
http://www.ugo.com/music/top-11-hip-hop-producers-dr-dre
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dre is a producer in the same sense that puff daddy used to produce and has won mad producer of the decade awards and shit back in the 90s.
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the thread topic was who is the better producer today
Well if we look at contemporary producers, You just cannot pick a timeframe and compare it to another contemporary producer.
Because if we have to take into consideration the bagage these producers have.
Even Dre in his “prime-period” had records out that in my opinion where not my taste.
Just 2 name an view:
- “NWA” – Hello
- “NWA” feat Snoop – Chin Check
- The Firm
- Warren G – Lookin at you
Those NWA reboots where a Joke, compared 2 old school NWA.
But that is why he is so good, he experimented with sounds and sometimes it is your taste: think of the first time you heard Still DRE or nuthing but a G thing.
And sometimes it is a miss.
Anywayz, I stil think Dr Dre is on a level all these one-Hitt wonders will have 2 dream off.
Comparing Khalil, is like Comparing a City-Major 2 a President. And saying you dont have 2 look at their track record, but what he did for my city.
It is just ridiculous.
Peace out.
Why are they not comparable? We're not doing a list of the all time greats. We're asking who is the better producer today. It's like asking who's the best rapper today. You're not going to name someone who's fallen off. Chuck D may make a list of all time greats, but he's obviously not the best rapper right now. I loved the 2 NWA records you mentioned by the way.
dre is a producer in the same sense that puff daddy used to produce and has won mad producer of the decade awards and shit back in the 90s.
And yet no one wants to give Puff credit for all those hits he came out with.
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lol @ NIK using Youtube as a valid source.
Then lol @ NIK not believing the back cover to the CD's single because he's wrong.
Khalil is ill. I think producing goes "what have you done for me lately?" though. If Detox does come out & it blows us away production-wise & it's all Dre, we're gunna say he's still the best. But it's not like other things where once somebody is better than you, it's almost impossible to get back better than them (like sports).
But to be honest, I'd still be alright whether I see Khalil or Dre's name credited.
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A comeback is possible, but stupid to assume. How do you know whether or not the shit will be dope? If it is we can give him his props for still being relevant, but until then all we have to go on is the mediocre music we are hearing.
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while its totally true that nik made an ass out of himself in this thread i gotta give some props he didn't call not one of us dicklickers or nut riders or other words of assorted faggotry.
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Khalil IS on fire lately (I Don't Need No Bitch, Kush), and dude IS a dope producer in his own right. The key, though, is Dre's touch. Could Khalil make a beat like this on his own?
A good example of Dre's touch is Busta's "Been Through the Storm"...Snoop said that beat was shit until Dre put his hands on it, and it became a great song after he mixed and co-produced it.
Dre definitely hasn't had the golden touch lately, not on Relapse, not on Recovery, not any of the new Game tracks, and none of the Detox tracks either. INAD pretty much told us where Dre's beat game is at right now...that was a HORRIBLE beat, and Dre used it anyway instead of making a much better one himself. Still, I hold out hope. I, for one, love Kush (just not Akon).
khalil works with musicians too, not a bad thing though.
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while its totally true that nik made an ass out of himself in this thread i gotta give some props he didn't call not one of us dicklickers or nut riders or other words of assorted faggotry.
Way to jinx it.
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*knocks on wood*
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Dre takes it easily. Khalil is just a student of Dre.
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Anyway, khalil is pure dope and brings a new sound to the game, yes it IS a new sound. But still, he aint on that relapse level for exemple.
No one can f**k with relapse' production, its insanely brillant.
"Stay Wide Awake" was the only amazing beat on the album IMO. "Medicine Ball" had a bangin' beat too. I never liked the production on the album.
by Dre's standards, it's not his best...but it is better than the shit we've been hearin from Khalil lately.
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Dre turns mediocre beats into great ones? Lol where is there any proof of this?
his track record speaks for itself...ask the hundreds of artists who have worked with dre and praised him as the greatest, they will tell u the same.
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Maybe Dre has not been making the same style of beats as before, but his shit is still craaaazy. The shit on Relapse was fucking amazing.
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Like I said, "Kush" was produced by Dre just as much as any track on "2001"...the critics have gotten to Dre so much that he's decided to only take credit for mixing, when he obviously did a lot more for the beat. Those songs u just posted don't even come close to the classics Dre has produced...Bottom line, Khalil has a long way to go before he reaches Dre's status. the fact that Dre hasn't even released songs in years and is still relevant speaks for itself. If Khalil stopped making songs for as long as Dre has no one would know who the fuck he even was.
Dre is takin' credit for mixing because that's what he did. It's simple as that.
producers will come to Dre with skeleton beats and concepts, and he will put his touches on it and make it his own. he's always been doin this, only back in the day he would actually take credit as the main producer (like what Bad Azz said)...Nowadays, he's giving the bulk of the credit to his right-hand man. still, u cant fool the ear...a dre beat is as recognizable as sinatra's voice. i will forever consider "respect" a dre beat, just like i will always consider "kush" a dre beat. i dont buy the mixing bullshit...if those tracks are not produced by dre, neither are a bulk of his classics.
Other people make Dr.Dre's beats. Here's a list of people who all have said it.
Bad Azz
Big Chuck
Cold187Um
Daz Dillinger
Emanuel Dean
J.Flexx
Neff-U
Sam Sneed
Scott Storch
Snoop Dogg
To Dre's defense, he's always been characterized as a producer in the classical sense. While he does all the drum programming, Dre doesn't play any instruments. Instead, he works with and directs musicians who then translate his vision. On The Chronic 2001, Dre collaborated with producers/musicians Mel-Man, Scott Storch and Mike Elizondo - all of which received credit for their work. While Dre may not lay the string arrangement or piano keys to a beat, he's still arranging and directing the song.
http://www.ugo.com/music/top-11-hip-hop-producers-dr-dre
u do realize ur agreeing with me, right? LOL
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dre is a producer in the same sense that puff daddy used to produce and has won mad producer of the decade awards and shit back in the 90s.
LMAO...please do not tell me ur comparing Puffy to Dre. SMH.
Puffy does not have the ear for music that Dre has...he does not have the skill to perfect a sound the way Dre does. Dre owns a beat, he isn't satisfied until it sounds exactly how he pictures it in his mind. Puffy is NOTHING like this. the only similarity is that neither of 'em play their own instruments...that's where the comparison ends.
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Khalil's best SOUNDING beats are the ones Dre mixed. (I Made It, Could've Been You, Kush)
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while its totally true that nik made an ass out of himself in this thread i gotta give some props he didn't call not one of us dicklickers or nut riders or other words of assorted faggotry.
I made an ass of myself by assuming Dre produced "Kush"? LOL, OK...I already explained my thoughts on the subject in detail.
once again, if Dre didn't produce "Kush" then he didn't produce at least HALF of "2001"...u aint followin my logic, or u just dont get it?
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lol @ NIK using Youtube as a valid source.
Then lol @ NIK not believing the back cover to the CD's single because he's wrong.
Khalil is ill. I think producing goes "what have you done for me lately?" though. If Detox does come out & it blows us away production-wise & it's all Dre, we're gunna say he's still the best. But it's not like other things where once somebody is better than you, it's almost impossible to get back better than them (like sports).
But to be honest, I'd still be alright whether I see Khalil or Dre's name credited.
maybe u don't understand, but Dre is known for taking credit for beats, as well as ghost-producing. I like to find a medium...."Aint No Fun" is considered a Dre beat, but peeps have claimed Warren did the beat. "Lets Play House" is considered a Daz beat, but Dre has been said to do more work on that beat than he did on "Aint No Fun"...In beats like these, I dont use credits to judge, because i know the credits never tell the full story. I use my ear. when I see "mixed by Dre" and the beat has a signature Dre sound, I will find a medium and assume that Dre had his hands on the production tip. In essence, Mel-Man produced "Still DRE" just as much as Khalil produced "Kush"...just listen to it urself. ears don't lie.
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LOL at Nik strugglin to accept the fact Khalil produced Kush. Its there in black n white. Khalil, Storch, Neff-U ect have all worked under Dre at one point or another so is it really that difficult to grasp the fact they could easily make a Dre soundin beat.
I wouldnt be surprised when & if detox drops if the majority of beats aren't by Dre.
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LOL at Nik strugglin to accept the fact Khalil produced Kush. Its there in black n white. Khalil, Storch, Neff-U ect have all worked under Dre at one point or another so is it really that difficult to grasp the fact they could easily make a Dre soundin beat.
I wouldnt be surprised when & if detox drops if the majority of beats aren't by Dre.
did u read ANY of my posts? LOL. come on, man.
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LMAO...please do not tell me ur comparing Puffy to Dre. SMH.
Puffy does not have the ear for music that Dre has...he does not have the skill to perfect a sound the way Dre does. Dre owns a beat, he isn't satisfied until it sounds exactly how he pictures it in his mind. Puffy is NOTHING like this. the only similarity is that neither of 'em play their own instruments...that's where the comparison ends.
well actually both can be compared since both got embroiled in credit-stealing accusations... Puffy is notorious for taking other people's credit as he did with Easy Mo Bee for the Craig Mack album. but that's where the comparison ends, Puffy is nowhere near the skills of Dre. He is more of a R'N'B producer (and a tight one for that matter) than a rap producer.
I don't think a producer has to necessarily play an instrument. Musicians are generally good producers because it's easier for them to do a song from A to Z but some of the greatest producers don't or barely play an instrument. even Quincy Jones was said to be a lousy trumpeter. Most east coast producers don't play an instrument and even if they do a lot produce records without playing on them, yet they're legends (Primo, Easy Mo Bee). It's really the West and the South that brought real musician/producers (Shorty B, Mike Dean, NO Joe, Khayree, K-Lou, Soopafly) and even they don't make up the majority of producers). at the end of the day those who are acknowledged as the best producers are not renowned for their musical prowess. producing is about vision. a technician whether a musician or an engineer or the one who mixes the record helps you take the song where you want it to be taken but the producer is the musical conductor. i think a lot of times, especially in hip hop which is really an amateur genre (meaning the line between professionals and amateurs is blurry due to the facts that the networking aspect is overwhelming, it's rather accessible for anybody and that it's a really free genre), the musicians/engineers etc. are really the producers and the beatmaker is really a beatmaker.
that's why i think the argument about Kush is interesting. I actually said the same thing as Nik when the record came out : Dre would have taken at least a co-production credit back in the 90's. maybe if Afro Puffs had come out in 2010, Daz would have been credited as the sole producer and Dre credited for the mixing. either way I do think that finally mixing and engineering a record is as important as beatmaking and producing even if, if i had to choose, i'd choose a poorly mixed record with great production than the other way round. for example : a lot of records by JT The Bigga Figga and Get Low are poorly mixed and mastered but the production/melody/beats (whether created by JT, G-Man Stan, Sean T or other collaborators) are usually so damn good that it gets a pass. on the other hand, a subpar Dre-like production with boring piano chords and a boring rapper but with a crisp and hard hitting sound sounds really redundant to my ears.
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I find it funny most people associate Khalil with Dre, when he REALLY got his start with DJ Muggs and Soul Assassins and with Self Scientific.
Khalil ALWAYS been nice with the beats. Yeah his more recent stuff has a more Dre ish feel to it but working with Dre so much as he does will have that effect. But his recent work with Cypress, Em, SAS, and others as been diverse and straight fiyah.
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once again, if Dre didn't produce "Kush" then he didn't produce at least HALF of "2001"...u aint followin my logic, or u just dont get it?
You have no logic. Dre and Mel Man were the main producers on every song on 2001. On Kush he wasn't a producer period.
his track record speaks for itself...ask the hundreds of artists who have worked with dre and praised him as the greatest, they will tell u the same.
I have no doubt artists give Dre credit for the production he does. But in this case he hasn't produced anything of note for a while. No one's questioning his status as one of the greatest hip hop producers of all time. But right now he is definitely not one of the top producers. And you didn't answer the question. Find an original beat that was wack that Dre made into a classic.
Khalil's best SOUNDING beats are the ones Dre mixed. (I Made It, Could've Been You, Kush)
lmao not. Could've Been You sucks.
Lol @ how Dre gets all these props for mixing albums and the people who have mixed classic albums get ignored.
Puffy does not have the ear for music that Dre has...he does not have the skill to perfect a sound the way Dre does. Dre owns a beat, he isn't satisfied until it sounds exactly how he pictures it in his mind. Puffy is NOTHING like this. the only similarity is that neither of 'em play their own instruments...that's where the comparison ends.
He has produced the same amount of hits, if not more. Even Dre said his favorite beat was a Puffy production.
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LMAO...please do not tell me ur comparing Puffy to Dre. SMH.
Puffy does not have the ear for music that Dre has...he does not have the skill to perfect a sound the way Dre does. Dre owns a beat, he isn't satisfied until it sounds exactly how he pictures it in his mind. Puffy is NOTHING like this. the only similarity is that neither of 'em play their own instruments...that's where the comparison ends.
well actually both can be compared since both got embroiled in credit-stealing accusations... Puffy is notorious for taking other people's credit as he did with Easy Mo Bee for the Craig Mack album. but that's where the comparison ends, Puffy is nowhere near the skills of Dre. He is more of a R'N'B producer (and a tight one for that matter) than a rap producer.
I don't think a producer has to necessarily play an instrument. Musicians are generally good producers because it's easier for them to do a song from A to Z but some of the greatest producers don't or barely play an instrument. even Quincy Jones was said to be a lousy trumpeter. Most east coast producers don't play an instrument and even if they do a lot produce records without playing on them, yet they're legends (Primo, Easy Mo Bee). It's really the West and the South that brought real musician/producers (Shorty B, Mike Dean, NO Joe, Khayree, K-Lou, Soopafly) and even they don't make up the majority of producers). at the end of the day those who are acknowledged as the best producers are not renowned for their musical prowess. producing is about vision. a technician whether a musician or an engineer or the one who mixes the record helps you take the song where you want it to be taken but the producer is the musical conductor. i think a lot of times, especially in hip hop which is really an amateur genre (meaning the line between professionals and amateurs is blurry due to the facts that the networking aspect is overwhelming, it's rather accessible for anybody and that it's a really free genre), the musicians/engineers etc. are really the producers and the beatmaker is really a beatmaker.
that's why i think the argument about Kush is interesting. I actually said the same thing as Nik when the record came out : Dre would have taken at least a co-production credit back in the 90's. maybe if Afro Puffs had come out in 2010, Daz would have been credited as the sole producer and Dre credited for the mixing. either way I do think that finally mixing and engineering a record is as important as beatmaking and producing even if, if i had to choose, i'd choose a poorly mixed record with great production than the other way round. for example : a lot of records by JT The Bigga Figga and Get Low are poorly mixed and mastered but the production/melody/beats (whether created by JT, G-Man Stan, Sean T or other collaborators) are usually so damn good that it gets a pass. on the other hand, a subpar Dre-like production with boring piano chords and a boring rapper but with a crisp and hard hitting sound sounds really redundant to my ears.
well said
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Dre is still the fucking man and when or if Detox ever drops everyone will think he is the greatest again. Don't kid yourselves.
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once again, if Dre didn't produce "Kush" then he didn't produce at least HALF of "2001"...u aint followin my logic, or u just dont get it?
You have no logic. Dre and Mel Man were the main producers on every song on 2001. On Kush he wasn't a producer period.
It's not that I have no logic, it's that u simply don't get my logic...My logic is that Dre has been accused of stealing beats for the longest. Most of the time, he doesn't create his own beats, he composes them. Nowadays, people act like whoever laid the beat deserves the production credit, where as Dre's defintion of a producer is the dude who composes the beat, layers it to perfection, and does most of the hard work on it. Now, that people like Daz, Scott Storch, Snoop etc. etc. have accused Dre of stealing beats, he has gotten with the "times" and decided to take mixing credit, as opposed to back in the day where he would slap his name under production credits, as well. Do u get what I'm saying? How is that illogical? Storch has accused Dre of stealing his beats, as have others. What they don't get is that Dre really did make that beat, whether they laid it out or not. Without Dre, that beat aint 1/10th as good as what it would be with him. Dre didn't wanna get into shit with Khalil, as he did with Storch and them back in the days, so he gave production credit to Khalil to avoid more shit-talking etc.. Make sense yet?
his track record speaks for itself...ask the hundreds of artists who have worked with dre and praised him as the greatest, they will tell u the same.
I have no doubt artists give Dre credit for the production he does. But in this case he hasn't produced anything of note for a while. No one's questioning his status as one of the greatest hip hop producers of all time. But right now he is definitely not one of the top producers. And you didn't answer the question. Find an original beat that was wack that Dre made into a classic.
Dre hasn't produced enough material lately to be judged...i havent heard him drop anything whack, so therefore my last memories of him are droppin dope beats. when he drops whack shit, then he has provided us with a legit reasoning to say he fell off. so far, nothing has been whack. Dre is still the greatest producer in hip-hop until he proves otherwise. and to answer ur question, every fucking beat that Dre co-produced is an example of him turning a whack/decent beat into a classic. Because u know for a fact that no matter how hard Mel-Man, or Scott Storch, or Daz, or any of those mufuckaz tried, NONE of 'em could produce a beat like they did with Dre guiding them through it. I guarantee you "Kush" is another example of this...without Dre, that beat is not half as good. Guaranteed.
Puffy does not have the ear for music that Dre has...he does not have the skill to perfect a sound the way Dre does. Dre owns a beat, he isn't satisfied until it sounds exactly how he pictures it in his mind. Puffy is NOTHING like this. the only similarity is that neither of 'em play their own instruments...that's where the comparison ends.
He has produced the same amount of hits, if not more. Even Dre said his favorite beat was a Puffy production.
LOL...there is no comparison between Puffy and Dre. Just stop.
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once again, if Dre didn't produce "Kush" then he didn't produce at least HALF of "2001"...u aint followin my logic, or u just dont get it?
You have no logic. Dre and Mel Man were the main producers on every song on 2001. On Kush he wasn't a producer period.
It's not that I have no logic, it's that u simply don't get my logic...My logic is that Dre has been accused of stealing beats for the longest. Most of the time, he doesn't create his own beats, he composes them. Nowadays, people act like whoever laid the beat deserves the production credit, where as Dre's defintion of a producer is the dude who composes the beat, layers it to perfection, and does most of the hard work on it. Now, that people like Daz, Scott Storch, Snoop etc. etc. have accused Dre of stealing beats, he has gotten with the "times" and decided to take mixing credit, as opposed to back in the day where he would slap his name under production credits, as well. Do u get what I'm saying? How is that illogical? Storch has accused Dre of stealing his beats, as have others. What they don't get is that Dre really did make that beat, whether they laid it out or not. Without Dre, that beat aint 1/10th as good as what it would be with him. Dre didn't wanna get into shit with Khalil, as he did with Storch and them back in the days, so he gave production credit to Khalil to avoid more shit-talking etc.. Make sense yet?
hahah, did Dre himself tell you this? Fanboy theorizing at its greatest.
Dre has received a couple production credits this year, so that kinda throws your fanboy theory out the window. And if your theory were true its even more of a knock on Dre's legacy. You're basically saying he didn't deserve to receive producer credits on any of his classic work. Which means he couldn't be one of the greatest hip hop producers of all time.
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Dre hasn't produced enough material lately to be judged...i havent heard him drop anything whack, so therefore my last memories of him are droppin dope beats. when he drops whack shit, then he has provided us with a legit reasoning to say he fell off. so far, nothing has been whack. Dre is still the greatest producer in hip-hop until he proves otherwise. and to answer ur question, every fucking beat that Dre co-produced is an example of him turning a whack/decent beat into a classic. Because u know for a fact that no matter how hard Mel-Man, or Scott Storch, or Daz, or any of those mufuckaz tried, NONE of 'em could produce a beat like they did with Dre guiding them through it. I guarantee you "Kush" is another example of this...without Dre, that beat is not half as good. Guaranteed.
Mel Man I'd agree with. DJ Khalil has and does make great beats without Dre. And Scott Storch has made hits on his own.
LOL...there is no comparison between Puffy and Dre. Just stop.
Why not? Because you obviously have something against Puffy. The things you say Dre is responsible for and the things Puffy has been responsible for are one and the same. And Puffy has been making hits since 91.
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once again, if Dre didn't produce "Kush" then he didn't produce at least HALF of "2001"...u aint followin my logic, or u just dont get it?
You have no logic. Dre and Mel Man were the main producers on every song on 2001. On Kush he wasn't a producer period.
It's not that I have no logic, it's that u simply don't get my logic...My logic is that Dre has been accused of stealing beats for the longest. Most of the time, he doesn't create his own beats, he composes them. Nowadays, people act like whoever laid the beat deserves the production credit, where as Dre's defintion of a producer is the dude who composes the beat, layers it to perfection, and does most of the hard work on it. Now, that people like Daz, Scott Storch, Snoop etc. etc. have accused Dre of stealing beats, he has gotten with the "times" and decided to take mixing credit, as opposed to back in the day where he would slap his name under production credits, as well. Do u get what I'm saying? How is that illogical? Storch has accused Dre of stealing his beats, as have others. What they don't get is that Dre really did make that beat, whether they laid it out or not. Without Dre, that beat aint 1/10th as good as what it would be with him. Dre didn't wanna get into shit with Khalil, as he did with Storch and them back in the days, so he gave production credit to Khalil to avoid more shit-talking etc.. Make sense yet?
hahah, did Dre himself tell you this? Fanboy theorizing at its greatest.
Dre has received a couple production credits this year, so that kinda throws your fanboy theory out the window. And if your theory were true its even more of a knock on Dre's legacy. You're basically saying he didn't deserve to receive producer credits on any of his classic work. Which means he couldn't be one of the greatest hip hop producers of all time.
point is, dre does a lot more for a beat than just create it...he composes it and maximizes its potential. thats what a true producer does. not many in the game can say they have the abilities of dre when it comes to actual production and not just beatmaking. basically, the definition of production has been lost over time...dre produced "kush" just as much as he produced the tracks on "2001"...but nowadays, the primary beatmaker wants full production credit, even though theres a whole lot more to producing than just laying out a beat.
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Dre hasn't produced enough material lately to be judged...i havent heard him drop anything whack, so therefore my last memories of him are droppin dope beats. when he drops whack shit, then he has provided us with a legit reasoning to say he fell off. so far, nothing has been whack. Dre is still the greatest producer in hip-hop until he proves otherwise. and to answer ur question, every fucking beat that Dre co-produced is an example of him turning a whack/decent beat into a classic. Because u know for a fact that no matter how hard Mel-Man, or Scott Storch, or Daz, or any of those mufuckaz tried, NONE of 'em could produce a beat like they did with Dre guiding them through it. I guarantee you "Kush" is another example of this...without Dre, that beat is not half as good. Guaranteed.
Mel Man I'd agree with. DJ Khalil has and does make great beats without Dre. And Scott Storch has made hits on his own.
LOL...there is no comparison between Puffy and Dre. Just stop.
Why not? Because you obviously have something against Puffy. The things you say Dre is responsible for and the things Puffy has been responsible for are one and the same. And Puffy has been making hits since 91.
LOL. the sound and quality of a Puffy production pales in comparison to Dre's....Scott Storch and Khalil have made dope beats, but nothin on the level of what they've done with Dre helping.
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Khalil's best SOUNDING beats are the ones Dre mixed. (I Made It, Could've Been You, Kush)
lmao not. Could've Been You sucks.
Lol @ how Dre gets all these props for mixing albums and the people who have mixed classic albums get ignored.
WTF? Have you heard that shit with a decent set-up?
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point is, dre does a lot more for a beat than just create it...he composes it and maximizes its potential. thats what a true producer does. not many in the game can say they have the abilities of dre when it comes to actual production and not just beatmaking. basically, the definition of production has been lost over time...dre produced "kush" just as much as he produced the tracks on "2001"...but nowadays, the primary beatmaker wants full production credit, even though theres a whole lot more to producing than just laying out a beat.
Dre doesn't compose shit. A composer is the one who MAKES the music, genius. And Lol @ still talking about Kush. Guess what? Dre received ZERO production credit on Kush, hence he didn't produce it.
LOL. the sound and quality of a Puffy production pales in comparison to Dre's....Scott Storch and Khalil have made dope beats, but nothin on the level of what they've done with Dre helping.
I'd have to disagree considering how many bonefide hit singles Puffy has made. And Khalil's best songs were made without Dre. Kush ain't even close to his best song.
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point is, dre does a lot more for a beat than just create it...he composes it and maximizes its potential. thats what a true producer does. not many in the game can say they have the abilities of dre when it comes to actual production and not just beatmaking. basically, the definition of production has been lost over time...dre produced "kush" just as much as he produced the tracks on "2001"...but nowadays, the primary beatmaker wants full production credit, even though theres a whole lot more to producing than just laying out a beat.
Dre doesn't compose shit. A composer is the one who MAKES the music, genius. And Lol @ still talking about Kush. Guess what? Dre received ZERO production credit on Kush, hence he didn't produce it.
LOL. the sound and quality of a Puffy production pales in comparison to Dre's....Scott Storch and Khalil have made dope beats, but nothin on the level of what they've done with Dre helping.
I'd have to disagree considering how many bonefide hit singles Puffy has made. And Khalil's best songs were made without Dre. Kush ain't even close to his best song.
LOL@"Dre doesnt compose shit"...shows how much u know.
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I find it funny most people associate Khalil with Dre, when he REALLY got his start with DJ Muggs and Soul Assassins and with Self Scientific. Khalil ALWAYS been nice with the beats.
Exactly. "Millenium Thrust" from the second Soul Assassins compilation is one of my favorite beats from him.
Maybe Dre has not been making the same style of beats as before, but his shit is still craaaazy. The shit on Relapse was fucking amazing.
That's because he been workin' with different beatmeakers. It's not hard to figure out. He has been workin' with Dawaun Parker and Mark Batson in the last years. I'm glad Scott Storch is back workin' with Dre now.
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point is, dre does a lot more for a beat than just create it...he composes it and maximizes its potential. thats what a true producer does. not many in the game can say they have the abilities of dre when it comes to actual production and not just beatmaking. basically, the definition of production has been lost over time...dre produced "kush" just as much as he produced the tracks on "2001"...but nowadays, the primary beatmaker wants full production credit, even though theres a whole lot more to producing than just laying out a beat.
Dre doesn't compose shit. A composer is the one who MAKES the music, genius. And Lol @ still talking about Kush. Guess what? Dre received ZERO production credit on Kush, hence he didn't produce it.
LOL. the sound and quality of a Puffy production pales in comparison to Dre's....Scott Storch and Khalil have made dope beats, but nothin on the level of what they've done with Dre helping.
I'd have to disagree considering how many bonefide hit singles Puffy has made. And Khalil's best songs were made without Dre. Kush ain't even close to his best song.
LOL@"Dre doesnt compose shit"...shows how much u know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composer
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point is, dre does a lot more for a beat than just create it...he composes it and maximizes its potential. thats what a true producer does. not many in the game can say they have the abilities of dre when it comes to actual production and not just beatmaking. basically, the definition of production has been lost over time...dre produced "kush" just as much as he produced the tracks on "2001"...but nowadays, the primary beatmaker wants full production credit, even though theres a whole lot more to producing than just laying out a beat.
Dre doesn't compose shit. A composer is the one who MAKES the music, genius. And Lol @ still talking about Kush. Guess what? Dre received ZERO production credit on Kush, hence he didn't produce it.
LOL. the sound and quality of a Puffy production pales in comparison to Dre's....Scott Storch and Khalil have made dope beats, but nothin on the level of what they've done with Dre helping.
I'd have to disagree considering how many bonefide hit singles Puffy has made. And Khalil's best songs were made without Dre. Kush ain't even close to his best song.
LOL@"Dre doesnt compose shit"...shows how much u know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composer
did u read what u just posted? thats exactly what dre does..
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I never realized you were so dense. Read it, then re-read all your posts talking about how Dre doesn't make beats
"composers directly create sonic material." Composing has nothing to do with "perfecting."
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I never realized you were so dense. Read it, then re-read all your posts talking about how Dre doesn't make beats
"composers directly create sonic material." Composing has nothing to do with "perfecting."
Dre does compose beats, as well as perfect them...ask anyone who's worked with him. a great deal of the "stealing" accusations have been because other artists play the instruments and lay the drum patterns, as Dre composes them.
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Dre does compose beats, as well as perfect them...ask anyone who's worked with him. a great deal of the "stealing" accusations have been because other artists play the instruments and lay the drum patterns, as Dre composes them.
If someone else comes up with a beat and Dre does something to change it....that's obviously not composing. You've spent this whole thread trying to convince us that Dre isn't a beatmaker. Face it, you backed yourself into a corner.
Khalil >>> Dre. As of right now he is producing better songs. Statik Selektah >>> both right now though.
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Dre does compose beats, as well as perfect them...ask anyone who's worked with him. a great deal of the "stealing" accusations have been because other artists play the instruments and lay the drum patterns, as Dre composes them.
If someone else comes up with a beat and Dre does something to change it....that's obviously not composing. You've spent this whole thread trying to convince us that Dre isn't a beatmaker. Face it, you backed yourself into a corner.
Khalil >>> Dre. As of right now he is producing better songs.
like drug test you mean?
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Dre does compose beats, as well as perfect them...ask anyone who's worked with him. a great deal of the "stealing" accusations have been because other artists play the instruments and lay the drum patterns, as Dre composes them.
If someone else comes up with a beat and Dre does something to change it....that's obviously not composing. You've spent this whole thread trying to convince us that Dre isn't a beatmaker. Face it, you backed yourself into a corner.
Khalil >>> Dre. As of right now he is producing better songs.
like drug test you mean?
Lol no.
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Fuck, this thread is looking way too much like the Sports section. Dre DOES compose beats sometimes, as he tells musicians what to play, etc. Other times he perfects them. What is so hard to get ya'll? Sometimes he makes his own tracks, but most of the time he builds off of others shit.
And as Khalil himself said, Dre DRASTICALLY changed Kush, making it way more uptempo and full sounding.
Still, as of right now, Khalil is producing better shit than Dre, so the thread title works (for the time being only). But Drugtest is wack.
Anyway, I'm surprised KUSH didn't become a massive hit.
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funny how some of Khalil's weakest shit is the stuff he's doing for Dre. Kush being the exception.
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Fuck, this thread is looking way too much like the Sports section. Dre DOES compose beats sometimes, as he tells musicians what to play, etc. Other times he perfects them. What is so hard to get ya'll? Sometimes he makes his own tracks, but most of the time he builds off of others shit.
And as Khalil himself said, Dre DRASTICALLY changed Kush, making it way more uptempo and full sounding.
Still, as of right now, Khalil is producing better shit than Dre, so the thread title works (for the time being only). But Drugtest is wack.
Anyway, I'm surprised KUSH didn't become a massive hit.
sure, but it still has that khalil sound.
funny how some of Khalil's weakest shit is the stuff he's doing for Dre. Kush being the exception.
what about topless? not a fan of it, but i thought you liked it
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I find it funny most people associate Khalil with Dre, when he REALLY got his start with DJ Muggs and Soul Assassins and with Self Scientific.
Khalil ALWAYS been nice with the beats. Yeah his more recent stuff has a more Dre ish feel to it but working with Dre so much as he does will have that effect. But his recent work with Cypress, Em, SAS, and others as been diverse and straight fiyah.
Exactly
funny how some of Khalil's weakest shit is the stuff he's doing for Dre. Kush being the exception.
That's what I'm saying, khalils beats were a lot better before he started fucking with dre
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when khalil does work under dres wing dre tends to polish his shit up too much.
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Fuck, this thread is looking way too much like the Sports section. Dre DOES compose beats sometimes, as he tells musicians what to play, etc. Other times he perfects them. What is so hard to get ya'll? Sometimes he makes his own tracks, but most of the time he builds off of others shit.
And as Khalil himself said, Dre DRASTICALLY changed Kush, making it way more uptempo and full sounding.
money
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what about topless? not a fan of it, but i thought you liked it
Nah that was dope. Forgot about that.
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I got a question for my fellas here, has Dre released anything produced by him so far (at least credit wise) from Detox? Or has everything been released by other
producers?
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No its all been other producers. I wouldnt be surprised if detox comes out and the majority of production is from other producers
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looks like some people need to look up the music composer in addition to music producer. nobody really thinks khalil is better than dre. they just like to argue.
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looks like some people need to look up the music composer in addition to music producer. nobody really thinks khalil is better than dre. they just like to argue.
Khalil today >>> Dre today. To say otherwise is just letting the fanboy in you take over.
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I got a question for my fellas here, has Dre released anything produced by him so far (at least credit wise) from Detox? Or has everything been released by other
producers?
there have been only 2 songs released for detox. so obviously no. pay attention next time.
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come on man that is ridiculous. phycho on before i self destuct and most of relapse are pretty recent and dope dre tracks. Lost and rain were dope. and bitch i'm back. any of the detox leaks are FUCKING LEAKS! what has khalil done? his tracks on em's 2 albums weren't cool. i like city lights with bishop and the one on caltroit. kush was cool, and a few other tracks i cant remember the names of, but really its not even close to close. I would actually prefer if khalil stay away from dre i think dre can make WAYYY doper shit collaborating with other producers.
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Khalil and some of these other young producers SHOULD be making hotter joints than Dre today...So What? Was Dre going to stay on top Forever as he nears 50 years old. Tell me what kind of Impact Khalil has had or has he changed the game with his signature sound?? He got some hot shit but at the end of the day, Khalil is just another producer with some hot tracks and no real Impact. No hate meant for Khalil on my part.