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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Triple OG Rapsodie on August 11, 2011, 09:02:20 PM
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Jay-Z's image in hip hop is as a businessman and hustler, and that's pretty much what he is. He started as a street hustler and through his rhymes and business suave he has become one of the most popular rappers of all time and the CEO of a record label. He accomplished this through hustling and handling his business. So whenever he brags about this in his music he's speaking the truth and being "real".
Many of 2Pac's songs are about things he never actually did or experienced. He's even admitted in interviews he sucked at selling drugs and couldn't do it, and that he never had any problems with the police until he started dissing them in his music. How is he a "real rapper", if some of his music is fictional?
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Jay-Z's image in hip hop is as a businessman and hustler, and that's pretty much what he is. He started as a street hustler and through his rhymes and business suave he has become one of the most popular rappers of all time and the CEO of a record label. He accomplished this through hustling and handling his business. So whenever he brags about this in his music he's speaking the truth and being "real".
Many of 2Pac's songs are about things he never actually did or experienced. He's even admitted in interviews he sucked at selling drugs and couldn't do it, and that he never had any problems with the police until he started dissing them in his music. How is he a "real rapper", if some of his music is fictional?
shut yo dumb european ass up, jay is nice but he WILL NEVER, EVER be realer than pac end of story.........
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California born and raised boyo. Pac groupies need not reply. You can't just say Pac is tha realest after i've given solid facts as to why he's not. Jay-Z has made it and raps about making it. So what he raps about is real. Pac rapped about things he hadn't actually experienced, and there's interviews that prove this. I don't see how you can argue otherwise.
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Jay-Z raps about "making it" mow because he's on top. Let's not forget earlier in his career he was another hip-hop / bling bling / wish I was tony montanna rapper.
Your "facts" about pac are crap. He said he quit selling drugs because he saw people selling sentimental items like wedding rings for drugs and he didn't want to be apart of taking their soul. Fuck being "real" that's some grown man shit. Besides that he talked about thug life and he certainly lived it. He shot cops, rolled with real street niggas like haitaian jack and king tut, got shot and survived. Etc etc etc. Pac was one of the last rappers to actually live what he talked about. Did he do 100% of the things he rapped about? No. And guess what, NO rapper has!
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@ this thread
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Jay-Z raps about "making it" mow because he's on top. Let's not forget earlier in his career he was another hip-hop / bling bling / wish I was tony montanna rapper.
Your "facts" about pac are crap. He said he quit selling drugs because he saw people selling sentimental items like wedding rings for drugs and he didn't want to be apart of taking their soul. Fuck being "real" that's some grown man shit. Besides that he talked about thug life and he certainly lived it. He shot cops, rolled with real street niggas like haitaian jack and king tut, got shot and survived. Etc etc etc. Pac was one of the last rappers to actually live what he talked about. Did he do 100% of the things he rapped about? No. And guess what, NO rapper has!
Cmon son, if you're that big of a Pac fan you would know all the facts I've said about him are true. You've seen Resurrection right? He says it in his own words.
As for Jay-Z, before he started rapping he was a dealer on the corner. And guess what, he rapped about it on Reasonable Doubt. It's a known fact that 2Pac didn't do any of the shit he rapped about until AFTER he became a rapper. That's not real. Look at the facts and not your emotional connection to an artist you like.
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Jay-Z raps about "making it" mow because he's on top. Let's not forget earlier in his career he was another hip-hop / bling bling / wish I was tony montanna rapper.
Your "facts" about pac are crap. He said he quit selling drugs because he saw people selling sentimental items like wedding rings for drugs and he didn't want to be apart of taking their soul. Fuck being "real" that's some grown man shit. Besides that he talked about thug life and he certainly lived it. He shot cops, rolled with real street niggas like haitaian jack and king tut, got shot and survived. Etc etc etc. Pac was one of the last rappers to actually live what he talked about. Did he do 100% of the things he rapped about? No. And guess what, NO rapper has!
im faaaarr from a 2pac historian but i specifically remember an interview on the tupac ressurection movie i think where he says he tried selling crack for about a month but the older guys who were fronting him the shit werent satisfied with his revenues it so they stopped fronting him and he stopped selling it. i mean he was around some real deal dope dealers but pac was the sensitive ballerina poet type
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quoted from resurrection:
"I had no record, all my life,
no police record, until I made a record." --on his contact with the police
"I was asked by a group of children what to do if they were offered drugs.
And I answered, "Just say no." -- on drugs
"I started selling drugs for maybe two weeks.
The dude was like, "Give me my drugs back," because I didn't know how. " --on his short-lived career as a dealer
"Sometimes it's just allegories or fables that have a moral
or theme, like the ghetto lifestyle." ---on his music
"In my album, the number one enemy is the crooked police officer.
And the ironic thing is that it never happened to me.
I was speaking from the stories of my peers." --on how his first album isn't based on real life experience
And y'all have seen this interview right, before he got into rap?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA_8-8wGMjo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgA95WN7tX8
what's funny is if I saw this interview without knowing who he was, I might assume this kid is gay. Homeboy grew up a happy-go-lucky, soft-spoken, sensitive and caring kid who enjoyed ballet, was a "nice guy" to the ladies and didn't use the "b-word", and then morphed into this depressed, thug character who didn't give a fuck and intentionally got into trouble. Are you really saying that is real?
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2pac is tha realest
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Well.. Jay raps about a hustlers life (which he can show and prove if questioned), whilst Pac mainly focused on the persona of being a G, thug and whatnot (kind of hard to be those things when your a platinum selling rapper and considered a celebrity around the world).
I don't know MUCH about both artists but I do listen to the music of both artists, watched countless documentaries about Pac and read Decoded. I would say Jay is 'realer' but they both lead different lifestyles and Pac had more of an opportunity to do good when he was younger.
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Couldn't tell you. I don't know either one of them. From the outside looking in, they both seem real in their own way. Music needs to be fictionalized in a way though. I think Jay is real in the sense that he'll even put himself on blast. He catches a lot of flack for things but the guy is a better artist then a lot of folks give him credit for.
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LOL@Jay-Z bein real...the guy who made a living off of swagger-jackin other rappers, including 2pac. and as if dude wasn't rappin on some fake thug shit when he started out. spice-2, get the fuck outta here, son. ur views on hip-hop are some of the dumbest shit i've ever seen.
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LMAO@Jay-Z bein real...
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+1 to the OP
i bet 2pac looked real gangsta in a ballerina outfit
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Both are phonies, 2pac being the biggest one of them. As for Jay, i like RD but that whole mafioso theme was gay as fuck especially the lousy Tony Montana imitation on "Can't Knock The Hustle".
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He's aliver.
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2pac studied ballet. end thread
pac groupies eat a dick
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LMAO @ people getting mad defensive over Pac.
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I like both artists but this whole who's realer debate is unnecessary. I'll just add this line from Jay-Z that sums up his career from PSA interlude
"I used to move snowflakes by the O-Z
I guess even back then you can call me
CEO of the R-O-C, Hov'!"
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LOL@Jay-Z bein real...the guy who made a living off of swagger-jackin other rappers, including 2pac. and as if dude wasn't rappin on some fake thug shit when he started out. spice-2, get the fuck outta here, son. ur views on hip-hop are some of the dumbest shit i've ever seen.
Real spit. Jay Z is and has always been nothing more than a black proxy front for corporations looking to exploit the hip hop community. He was a nobody when Big and Pac were around, and he completely bit their style and rapped their lines as if they were his own after they died. Jay Z is one of the biggest bitches around, just ask anyone that was ever associated with him.
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2pac studied ballet. end thread
pac groupies eat a dick
What's wrong with ballet?
Seriously what difference does it make? It's all entertainment at the end of the day. People get more caught up in rappers lives then the actual rappers living it.
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2pac studied ballet. end thread
pac groupies eat a dick
What's wrong with ballet?
Seriously what difference does it make? It's all entertainment at the end of the day. People get more caught up in rappers lives then the actual rappers living it.
I mean, that's not the "realest" thing for a Thug Life West Coast gangsta lol.
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They're both fake as fuck.
Case closed.
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2pac studied ballet. end thread
pac groupies eat a dick
What's wrong with ballet?
Seriously what difference does it make? It's all entertainment at the end of the day. People get more caught up in rappers lives then the actual rappers living it.
I mean, that's not the "realest" thing for a Thug Life West Coast gangsta lol.
Again so what? If he killed 20 people would that make him the realest?
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pac didnt study anything, he did ballet in school, as a kid.
Come on...
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LOL@Jay-Z bein real...the guy who made a living off of swagger-jackin other rappers, including 2pac. and as if dude wasn't rappin on some fake thug shit when he started out. spice-2, get the fuck outta here, son. ur views on hip-hop are some of the dumbest shit i've ever seen.
Jay was a dealer and rapped about it.....how is that fake? I've given you proof that Pac's music was about made up stuff. Now you're just in denial.
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pac didnt study anything, he did ballet in school, as a kid.
Come on...
he was like 17 years old studying ballet and poetry in his private arts school. this is all documented facts
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2pac studied ballet. end thread
pac groupies eat a dick
What's wrong with ballet?
Seriously what difference does it make? It's all entertainment at the end of the day. People get more caught up in rappers lives then the actual rappers living it.
I mean, that's not the "realest" thing for a Thug Life West Coast gangsta lol.
Again so what? If he killed 20 people would that make him the realest?
It would make his music realer, considering that he rapped about killing people. He never rapped about doing ballet & studying poetry.
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LOL@Jay-Z bein real...the guy who made a living off of swagger-jackin other rappers, including 2pac. and as if dude wasn't rappin on some fake thug shit when he started out. spice-2, get the fuck outta here, son. ur views on hip-hop are some of the dumbest shit i've ever seen.
Jay was a dealer and rapped about it.....how is that fake? I've given you proof that Pac's music was about made up stuff. Now you're just in denial.
ALL gangsta rap has exaggeration in it...including Jay-Z. Jay-Z was as big a fake thug as anyone when he started rapping. Jay-Z is literally the fakest of the fake, and like others already pointed out, he's rapped about killin people in Tony Montana accents LOL
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pac groupies: if the tables were turned and people found out jay used to be a ballerina you would def call him a fag and say tupac is realer cos of that
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LOL@Jay-Z bein real...the guy who made a living off of swagger-jackin other rappers, including 2pac. and as if dude wasn't rappin on some fake thug shit when he started out. spice-2, get the fuck outta here, son. ur views on hip-hop are some of the dumbest shit i've ever seen.
Jay was a dealer and rapped about it.....how is that fake? I've given you proof that Pac's music was about made up stuff. Now you're just in denial.
ALL gangsta rap has exaggeration in it...including Jay-Z. Jay-Z was as big a fake thug as anyone when he started rapping. Jay-Z is literally the fakest of the fake, and like others already pointed out, he's rapped about killin people in Tony Montana accents LOL
It sounds like you've never listened to Reasonable Doubt. The Tony Montana thing was a skit on the album voiced by someone else. All gangsta rap has exaggeration in it but Jay-Z clearly lived that life, even if he didn't kill anyone (don't think he ever claimed to have killed someone btw). Pac's music was completely fabricated. One guy was a real drug dealer and exaggerates it, one guy makes stuff up having never lived the life in his music, isn't it obvious which one's "realer"? If you're going to call someone the fakest of the fake it should be the guy who's image was fake. How convenient that you keep avoiding that.
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pac groupies: if the tables were turned and people found out jay used to be a ballerina you would def call him a fag and say tupac is realer cos of that
^not really...2pac was always the sensitive, poetic type, so it's somewhat expected. he self-admittedly wasn't into the gangsta shit until he came to death row. nothin really fake about that. either way, Jay-Z made his livin off of biting rappers like Pac, so to call him realer than Pac is pretty disgraceful.
http://www.youtube.com/v/j4lVPH8R0bg
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LOL@Jay-Z bein real...the guy who made a living off of swagger-jackin other rappers, including 2pac. and as if dude wasn't rappin on some fake thug shit when he started out. spice-2, get the fuck outta here, son. ur views on hip-hop are some of the dumbest shit i've ever seen.
Jay was a dealer and rapped about it.....how is that fake? I've given you proof that Pac's music was about made up stuff. Now you're just in denial.
ALL gangsta rap has exaggeration in it...including Jay-Z. Jay-Z was as big a fake thug as anyone when he started rapping. Jay-Z is literally the fakest of the fake, and like others already pointed out, he's rapped about killin people in Tony Montana accents LOL
It sounds like you've never listened to Reasonable Doubt. The Tony Montana thing was a skit on the album voiced by someone else. All gangsta rap has exaggeration in it but Jay-Z clearly lived that life, even if he didn't kill anyone (don't think he ever claimed to have killed someone btw). Pac's music was completely fabricated. One guy was a real drug dealer and exaggerates it, one guy makes stuff up having never lived the life in his music, isn't it obvious which one's "realer"? If you're going to call someone the fakest of the fake it should be the guy who's image was fake. How convenient that you keep avoiding that.
yea...lets call 2Pac fake and not the guy who made his living off of biting 2Pac LMAO.
and Jay-Z never rapped about killin people? again LMFAO...stop making threads, son:
Motha fuckers wanna kill me but don’t got the heart
To look me in the eyes with the nine and spark
Cause whether your for or against this
When I spit with murderous intentions, everybody goes everybody knows
The weapons I possess they not for show
And you put dresses on your weapons when you walk out the door
See once I flash mother fuckers better do the one shot dash
Or be one shot ass
J to the A-Y to the drive by to your hood screamin bye-bye to you
Why would you fuck with me
Knowing I put you six feet deep and them niggas could die wit’cha
Cock the hot pistol and pop the hot Cristal
And promise you only one thing, to not miss you
Jahova know the god that served ya
Cause dead or alive when I arrive it’s Murda
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2pac studied ballet. end thread
pac groupies eat a dick
What's wrong with ballet?
Seriously what difference does it make? It's all entertainment at the end of the day. People get more caught up in rappers lives then the actual rappers living it.
I mean, that's not the "realest" thing for a Thug Life West Coast gangsta lol.
Prodigy did ballet at his grandmoms school as well, yet he was as street as they come.
Jay is definitely real, he had more money than the rappers he aspired to be and was heavy in the drug game. I mean shit, his first album cover jaz-o borrowed jay z's chains for the shoot
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Pac didn't make it passed 25, jokes on you jay's still alive
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I'll say this: Pac tried to get his listeners to think, while Jay Z admitted he dumbs down his lyrics in order to sell records.
From Jay's Moment of clarity (black album)
"dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars
they criticized me for it yet they all yell "HOLLA!"
if skills sold, truth be told, i'd probably be
lyrically, talib kweli
truthfully i wanna rhyme like common sense
but i did five mill' - i ain't been rhymin like common since"
So tell me what's real to you?
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well define real then. jay is telling the truth in that rhyme so how is it not real?
i think there are 2 definitions of real here:
pac groupies think real means rapping about being a thug whether its true or not (2pac definitely wins here, he had the better thug persona and always rapped with emotion)
jay groupies think being real is telling the truth in their rhymes (jay wins here, his rhymes are almost always true to his life)
so whats the point of arguing when everyone has 2 different definitions????
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I'll say this: Pac tried to get his listeners to think, while Jay Z admitted he dumbs down his lyrics in order to sell records.
From Jay's Moment of clarity (black album)
"dumbed down for my audience to double my dollars
they criticized me for it yet they all yell "HOLLA!"
if skills sold, truth be told, i'd probably be
lyrically, talib kweli
truthfully i wanna rhyme like common sense
but i did five mill' - i ain't been rhymin like common since"
So tell me what's real to you?
It's hard to tell which side your point is fighting for. But I think it's pretty real to admit something like that. Name me another rapper who would openly admit he raps dumber for sales.
Also, just because it's dumber & less complicated, doesn't make it less real. It just takes away from his lyrical ability.
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LOL...there aint nothin REAL about rappers who water down their music for sales. smh
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LOL...there aint nothin REAL about rappers who water down their music for sales. smh
Why not? If I lyrically tell you how I was a drug dealer & my experiences or if I just straight up say, I was a drug dealer, it doesn't change how real the message is.
Eminem used to write hard, serious lyrics about his daughter. Then he made "Hayley's Song" & he was straight up singing for 3/4ths of it. Does it change the realness of the situation despite one being more mainstream & female friendly?
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LOL...there aint nothin REAL about rappers who water down their music for sales. smh
Why not? If I lyrically tell you how I was a drug dealer & my experiences or if I just straight up say, I was a drug dealer, it doesn't change how real the message is.
Eminem used to write hard, serious lyrics about his daughter. Then he made "Hayley's Song" & he was straight up singing for 3/4ths of it. Does it change the realness of the situation despite one being more mainstream & female friendly?
biebs, stfu. i am not acknowledging ur views on hip-hop anymore...this is a discussion for grown men. u dont fit in.
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Great thread.
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Jay stabbed un Rivera when he was a superstar rapper, that shit is pretty real
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LOL...there aint nothin REAL about rappers who water down their music for sales. smh
Why not? If I lyrically tell you how I was a drug dealer & my experiences or if I just straight up say, I was a drug dealer, it doesn't change how real the message is.
Eminem used to write hard, serious lyrics about his daughter. Then he made "Hayley's Song" & he was straight up singing for 3/4ths of it. Does it change the realness of the situation despite one being more mainstream & female friendly?
biebs, stfu. i am not acknowledging ur views on hip-hop anymore...this is a discussion for grown men. u dont fit in.
WIN.
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Jay is definetely realer.
This guy is the most succesful one in Hip-Hop, having the biggest business out there.
To all people saying he's a biter, if you write 200 songs, and in 10 songs you have some lines quoting Biggie of Pac, that doesn't make you a biter to me. Because you don't need that to be succesful.
Look at Snoop, he's done songs that are exact copies of old songs.. no one is calling him a biter? (No Thing On Me for example).
Another way to look at it is:
- When Jay put out his Reasonable Doubt, he started his OWN label.
- Pac was just under Suge
Plus, to me you're not that real if you keep going in and out of jail.
If he really wanted, he could have pursued a real thriving career if he wouldn't be getting into some stupid shit.
End of discussion. You're not real if you keep flashing your gun and shooting people. That will get you shot someday. And it did.
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LOL...there aint nothin REAL about rappers who water down their music for sales. smh
Why not? If I lyrically tell you how I was a drug dealer & my experiences or if I just straight up say, I was a drug dealer, it doesn't change how real the message is.
Eminem used to write hard, serious lyrics about his daughter. Then he made "Hayley's Song" & he was straight up singing for 3/4ths of it. Does it change the realness of the situation despite one being more mainstream & female friendly?
biebs, stfu. i am not acknowledging ur views on hip-hop anymore...this is a discussion for grown men. u dont fit in.
WIN.
yes...u win, and jay-z is realer for dumbing down his lyrics to sell more and making pop music for the masses, as opposed to staying true to himself.
i would kill myself if i were u.
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LOL...there aint nothin REAL about rappers who water down their music for sales. smh
Why not? If I lyrically tell you how I was a drug dealer & my experiences or if I just straight up say, I was a drug dealer, it doesn't change how real the message is.
Eminem used to write hard, serious lyrics about his daughter. Then he made "Hayley's Song" & he was straight up singing for 3/4ths of it. Does it change the realness of the situation despite one being more mainstream & female friendly?
biebs, stfu. i am not acknowledging ur views on hip-hop anymore...this is a discussion for grown men. u dont fit in.
WIN.
yes...u win, and jay-z is realer for dumbing down his lyrics to sell more and making pop music for the masses, as opposed to staying true to himself.
i would kill myself if i were u.
yeah cos tupac totaly didnt do that on all eyez on me
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LOL...there aint nothin REAL about rappers who water down their music for sales. smh
Why not? If I lyrically tell you how I was a drug dealer & my experiences or if I just straight up say, I was a drug dealer, it doesn't change how real the message is.
Eminem used to write hard, serious lyrics about his daughter. Then he made "Hayley's Song" & he was straight up singing for 3/4ths of it. Does it change the realness of the situation despite one being more mainstream & female friendly?
biebs, stfu. i am not acknowledging ur views on hip-hop anymore...this is a discussion for grown men. u dont fit in.
WIN.
yes...u win, and jay-z is realer for dumbing down his lyrics to sell more and making pop music for the masses, as opposed to staying true to himself.
i would kill myself if i were u.
yeah cos tupac totaly didnt do that on all eyez on me
that was him...pac wanted to make stuff for the girls, stuff for the thugs, stuff for everyone. jay-z self-admittedly wants to rap on some real shit, but is not rapping that way for the sole purpose of making cheese. 2pac rapped the way he wanted, with a true passion, and he personally chose to cover pretty much all topics in his music. his music was the epitome of hip-hop from the soul.
anyways, i'm not sayin 2pac was the realest muthafucka to ever walk this earth...but to claim jay-z is real and trash pac for bein fake is laughable, at the very least.
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Good discussion and here is a even better question. Who and what makes anyone in here "real enough" to know who is real and who's not?
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LOL...there aint nothin REAL about rappers who water down their music for sales. smh
Why not? If I lyrically tell you how I was a drug dealer & my experiences or if I just straight up say, I was a drug dealer, it doesn't change how real the message is.
Eminem used to write hard, serious lyrics about his daughter. Then he made "Hayley's Song" & he was straight up singing for 3/4ths of it. Does it change the realness of the situation despite one being more mainstream & female friendly?
biebs, stfu. i am not acknowledging ur views on hip-hop anymore...this is a discussion for grown men. u dont fit in.
WIN.
yes...u win, and jay-z is realer for dumbing down his lyrics to sell more and making pop music for the masses, as opposed to staying true to himself.
i would kill myself if i were u.
yeah cos tupac totaly didnt do that on all eyez on me
Good point. At least Jay-Z has admitted he did it for money. Pac made a pop album for Suge but never copped to it.
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LOL, NIK. You just admitted Pac dumbed his shit down.
Now tell me what's realer, admitting it like a man or tryna act like you're still being real "thug life"-like & really just getting poppy? Listen to what you say sometimes.
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Jay-Z's image in hip hop is as a businessman and hustler, and that's pretty much what he is. He started as a street hustler and through his rhymes and business suave he has become one of the most popular rappers of all time and the CEO of a record label. He accomplished this through hustling and handling his business. So whenever he brags about this in his music he's speaking the truth and being "real".
Many of 2Pac's songs are about things he never actually did or experienced. He's even admitted in interviews he sucked at selling drugs and couldn't do it, and that he never had any problems with the police until he started dissing them in his music. How is he a "real rapper", if some of his music is fictional?
According to this theory, if I sat on the couch all day and ate Doritos and watched the NFL Network, and then wrote raps strictly about eating Doritos and watching the NFL network, then I would be the realest rapper in history, right?
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Jay-Z's image in hip hop is as a businessman and hustler, and that's pretty much what he is. He started as a street hustler and through his rhymes and business suave he has become one of the most popular rappers of all time and the CEO of a record label. He accomplished this through hustling and handling his business. So whenever he brags about this in his music he's speaking the truth and being "real".
Many of 2Pac's songs are about things he never actually did or experienced. He's even admitted in interviews he sucked at selling drugs and couldn't do it, and that he never had any problems with the police until he started dissing them in his music. How is he a "real rapper", if some of his music is fictional?
According to this theory, if I sat on the couch all day and ate Doritos and watched the NFL Network, and then wrote raps strictly about eating Doritos and watching the NFL network, then I would be the realest rapper in history, right?
He would be. Because he would be rapping about "real shit". How are you real if you are rapping about made up stuff? You know what the word real means right?
taken from dictionary.com: "true; not merely ostensible, nominal, or apparent"
What do you think real means?
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Jay-Z's image in hip hop is as a businessman and hustler, and that's pretty much what he is. He started as a street hustler and through his rhymes and business suave he has become one of the most popular rappers of all time and the CEO of a record label. He accomplished this through hustling and handling his business. So whenever he brags about this in his music he's speaking the truth and being "real".
Many of 2Pac's songs are about things he never actually did or experienced. He's even admitted in interviews he sucked at selling drugs and couldn't do it, and that he never had any problems with the police until he started dissing them in his music. How is he a "real rapper", if some of his music is fictional?
According to this theory, if I sat on the couch all day and ate Doritos and watched the NFL Network, and then wrote raps strictly about eating Doritos and watching the NFL network, then I would be the realest rapper in history, right?
He would be. Because he would be rapping about "real shit". How are you real if you are rapping about made up stuff? You know what the word real means right?
taken from dictionary.com: "true; not merely ostensible, nominal, or apparent"
What do you think real means?
admitting ur a bitch doesnt make u real, u dumb ass kids
and in hip-hop, keepin it real means a lot more than just "tellin the truth", my hicks
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LOL, NIK. You just admitted Pac dumbed his shit down.
Now tell me what's realer, admitting it like a man or tryna act like you're still being real "thug life"-like & really just getting poppy? Listen to what you say sometimes.
i already said, pac never dumbed his shit down...even when he made songs for bitches, he did it with a passion. thats how he felt, thats how he wanted to spit it. jay-z admitted he doesn't do shit he truly feels=definition of fake. plus, he also raps about killing peeps, as posted previously. lose-lose situation for jay in the "who's more real" debate.
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1. Wrong. Because like I pointed out earlier, just because you dumb shit down lyrically, but provide the same message, it doesn't affect realness. You're still rapping about the same shit.
2. Wrong again. Jay's persona is being a hustler & making money by any means; in some cases illegally. So in order for this "hustler" to keep doing what he wants which is make money, he dumbed down his shit to make more money; which if the proper formula. How is that not real?
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Jay-Z's image in hip hop is as a businessman and hustler, and that's pretty much what he is. He started as a street hustler and through his rhymes and business suave he has become one of the most popular rappers of all time and the CEO of a record label. He accomplished this through hustling and handling his business. So whenever he brags about this in his music he's speaking the truth and being "real".
Many of 2Pac's songs are about things he never actually did or experienced. He's even admitted in interviews he sucked at selling drugs and couldn't do it, and that he never had any problems with the police until he started dissing them in his music. How is he a "real rapper", if some of his music is fictional?
According to this theory, if I sat on the couch all day and ate Doritos and watched the NFL Network, and then wrote raps strictly about eating Doritos and watching the NFL network, then I would be the realest rapper in history, right?
He would be. Because he would be rapping about "real shit". How are you real if you are rapping about made up stuff? You know what the word real means right?
taken from dictionary.com: "true; not merely ostensible, nominal, or apparent"
What do you think real means?
admitting ur a bitch doesnt make u real, u dumb ass kids
and in hip-hop, keepin it real means a lot more than just "tellin the truth", my hicks
fact: rapping about things that aren't real isn't "keeping it real." Jay-Z rapped about what he knew, Pac rapped about a life that wasn't his. Conclusion? Jay-Z is realer.
When did Jay-Z admit to being a bitch? He said he dumbed down his music to make money. Which fits in perfectly with the hustler mentality. Jay-Z is the epitome of a hustler. As far as Jay-Z killing someone...you posted lyrics where he says he would kill someone that was trying to kill him. It doesn't sound like a lie to me. Wouldn't most of us kill to preserve our own life?
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Jay-Z's image in hip hop is as a businessman and hustler, and that's pretty much what he is. He started as a street hustler and through his rhymes and business suave he has become one of the most popular rappers of all time and the CEO of a record label. He accomplished this through hustling and handling his business. So whenever he brags about this in his music he's speaking the truth and being "real".
Many of 2Pac's songs are about things he never actually did or experienced. He's even admitted in interviews he sucked at selling drugs and couldn't do it, and that he never had any problems with the police until he started dissing them in his music. How is he a "real rapper", if some of his music is fictional?
According to this theory, if I sat on the couch all day and ate Doritos and watched the NFL Network, and then wrote raps strictly about eating Doritos and watching the NFL network, then I would be the realest rapper in history, right?
He would be. Because he would be rapping about "real shit". How are you real if you are rapping about made up stuff? You know what the word real means right?
taken from dictionary.com: "true; not merely ostensible, nominal, or apparent"
What do you think real means?
admitting ur a bitch doesnt make u real, u dumb ass kids
and in hip-hop, keepin it real means a lot more than just "tellin the truth", my hicks
fact: rapping about things that aren't real isn't "keeping it real." Jay-Z rapped about what he knew, Pac rapped about a life that wasn't his. Conclusion? Jay-Z is realer.
When did Jay-Z admit to being a bitch? He said he dumbed down his music to make money. Which fits in perfectly with the hustler mentality. Jay-Z is the epitome of a hustler. As far as Jay-Z killing someone...you posted lyrics where he says he would kill someone that was trying to kill him. It doesn't sound like a lie to me. Wouldn't most of us kill to preserve our own life?
r u retarded? jay-z has rapped about killing, being a thug, pimpin, etc lmao. ur almost as bad as cham......well, maybe not THAT bad, but stil, come on.
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well define real then. jay is telling the truth in that rhyme so how is it not real?
Exactly that's the question I was asking: tell me what's real to you? If being real is spitting dumbed down rhymes, but admitting it, then Jay is the realest around.
To me, being 'real' as a rapper means saying exactly what's on your mind, even if people might not want to hear it. Staying true to your self, never sell out, etc. Now you'd be hard pressed to find someone who's ALWAYS 100% real, but when you compare Pac and Jay the answer to me is obviously Pac.
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well define real then. jay is telling the truth in that rhyme so how is it not real?
Exactly that's the question I was asking: tell me what's real to you? If being real is spitting dumbed down rhymes, but admitting it, then Jay is the realest around.
To me, being 'real' as a rapper means saying exactly what's on your mind, even if people might not want to hear it. Staying true to your self, never sell out, etc. Now you'd be hard pressed to find someone who's ALWAYS 100% real, but when you compare Pac and Jay the answer to me is obviously Pac.
Staying true to yourself? I've given you factual evidence in Pac's own words how most of his rap material was made up. Jay-Z has always stayed to true to himself. He's been a hustler from day one and never strayed from that path. Selling out means compromising your original values to be successful. When you look at Jay-Z before he got famous and after he was famous, its pretty clear he never sold out. His goal was always the same, his persona was always the same. But Pac did a complete 180 and manufactured this hardcore, violent persona to sell records. Some of his political ideas may have stayed the same, but his character was a complete sell out.
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Jay-Z's image in hip hop is as a businessman and hustler, and that's pretty much what he is. He started as a street hustler and through his rhymes and business suave he has become one of the most popular rappers of all time and the CEO of a record label. He accomplished this through hustling and handling his business. So whenever he brags about this in his music he's speaking the truth and being "real".
Many of 2Pac's songs are about things he never actually did or experienced. He's even admitted in interviews he sucked at selling drugs and couldn't do it, and that he never had any problems with the police until he started dissing them in his music. How is he a "real rapper", if some of his music is fictional?
According to this theory, if I sat on the couch all day and ate Doritos and watched the NFL Network, and then wrote raps strictly about eating Doritos and watching the NFL network, then I would be the realest rapper in history, right?
He would be. Because he would be rapping about "real shit". How are you real if you are rapping about made up stuff? You know what the word real means right?
taken from dictionary.com: "true; not merely ostensible, nominal, or apparent"
What do you think real means?
admitting ur a bitch doesnt make u real, u dumb ass kids
and in hip-hop, keepin it real means a lot more than just "tellin the truth", my hicks
fact: rapping about things that aren't real isn't "keeping it real." Jay-Z rapped about what he knew, Pac rapped about a life that wasn't his. Conclusion? Jay-Z is realer.
When did Jay-Z admit to being a bitch? He said he dumbed down his music to make money. Which fits in perfectly with the hustler mentality. Jay-Z is the epitome of a hustler. As far as Jay-Z killing someone...you posted lyrics where he says he would kill someone that was trying to kill him. It doesn't sound like a lie to me. Wouldn't most of us kill to preserve our own life?
r u retarded? jay-z has rapped about killing, being a thug, pimpin, etc lmao. ur almost as bad as cham......well, maybe not THAT bad, but stil, come on.
You're completely delusional. You posted a Jay-Z verse as an example and I easily shot it down. Your point has been nullified. Jay-Z saying he would kill someone who tries to kill him isn't fake, its probably true for most of us. Face it, you lost.
Now 2Pac rapping about being screwed over by cops on his first album when it had never happened is a complete fabrication and proves he is fake.
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Keeping it real in hip-hop means RunDMC just wearing the same clothes they had on that day whenever they went to the stage. They didn't have no shiny suits for the stage. They believed in "keeping it real" with the fans, and if they were wearing jeans and a leather jacket that day, they'd just walk right up on stage with it. "Keeping it Real" in hip-hop, means relating to fans, being down to Earth. Which is basically the opposite of what Jay-Z does rapping about private jets and shit like that that doesn't relate to the fans.
The best way to explain how 2pac keeps it real, and how Jay-Z doesn't "keep it real" is this. 2pac said when he raps about diamonds and jewelry "bling", that 2pac is doing to to uplift his people. And to show them that he came from gutter and now he has achieved this, and that if he can do it anyone can do it, and that he's gonna bring up the ghetto's of America with him and that it's like a movement, and everybody is sharing in his success.
...while on the other hand for Jay-Z it's more like just shoving it it people faces, what he's got. It ain't no movement, and it doesn't connect with the fans in a real way. People don't cry when they listen to Jay-Z. He doesn't connect to the fans in a real way. 2pac was so real that he brought people to tears when they'd listen to tracks like "Krazy" or "White Manz World".
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Jay-Z has always stayed to true to himself. He's been a hustler from day one and never strayed from that path. Selling out means compromising your original values to be successful. When you look at Jay-Z before he got famous and after he was famous, its pretty clear he never sold out. His goal was always the same, his persona was always the same.
Have you even read the lyrics I posted? Jay clearly states that he would rather be more political, or 'concious' is his lyrics, but chooses to dumb it down to sell more records. That is compromising your values to be succesful.
But Pac did a complete 180 and manufactured this hardcore, violent persona to sell records. Some of his political ideas may have stayed the same, but his character was a complete sell out.
Manufactured? He had been through so much shit by this time, a lesser man would probably have killed himself already. Yes, his character changed, but to say he did that to sell more records is far from the truth imo.
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these guy never stop arguing, even when they have nothn to say, they'll just keep goin in circles...this spice-2 character has tried to convince me that DOC isn't considered a west coast rapper and went on for pages. cham, well, that dude is pretty self-explanatory.
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these guy never stop arguing, even when they have nothn to say, they'll just keep goin in circles...this spice-2 character has tried to convince me that DOC isn't considered a west coast rapper and went on for pages. cham, well, that dude is pretty self-explanatory.
Yeah I guess this is one of those discussions that can go on forever, so I'll just rest my case.
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Spice 2, u suck at trolling, your name is ghey, and jay z is your idol. Prolly cuz u look like him.
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lol @ NIK dodging. He stays losing.
& Infinite, you're an idiot. How the fuck does that prove what's real? Being a nice person is real to you? What if Jay is a douche & that's REAL to him? To shove it in your face? You're determining the standard for real for every human & that...just ain't real.
Being real is just what's real to your ideals. If you want to rock a suit, do it. It's only fake if you don't want to rock a suit & you do. Shit, I'd want to rock a suit everyday to work & I obviously can't now because I don't have a serious job (similar to NIK, just not jobless). But you're saying the day I get that job, I'll be fake?
You also just proved to me your unjustified hate for Jay-Z. It's obvious now that you just don't like Jay bragging about what he's done. Not like Pac & what he wants to do, but actually have achieved in his life. You're invalid.
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Keeping it real in hip-hop means RunDMC just wearing the same clothes they had on that day whenever they went to the stage. They didn't have no shiny suits for the stage. They believed in "keeping it real" with the fans, and if they were wearing jeans and a leather jacket that day, they'd just walk right up on stage with it. "Keeping it Real" in hip-hop, means relating to fans, being down to Earth. Which is basically the opposite of what Jay-Z does rapping about private jets and shit like that that doesn't relate to the fans.
The best way to explain how 2pac keeps it real, and how Jay-Z doesn't "keep it real" is this. 2pac said when he raps about diamonds and jewelry "bling", that 2pac is doing to to uplift his people. And to show them that he came from gutter and now he has achieved this, and that if he can do it anyone can do it, and that he's gonna bring up the ghetto's of America with him and that it's like a movement, and everybody is sharing in his success.
...while on the other hand for Jay-Z it's more like just shoving it it people faces, what he's got. It ain't no movement, and it doesn't connect with the fans in a real way. People don't cry when they listen to Jay-Z. He doesn't connect to the fans in a real way. 2pac was so real that he brought people to tears when they'd listen to tracks like "Krazy" or "White Manz World".
Brian....most of Pac's fans aren't "his people". His biggest audience was white kids from the suburbs. How were his ghetto fairy tales or the struggles of the black man against the system real to them? Jay-Z on the other hand rapped about things that the average man can relate to. Coming up and making a name for yourself. The American dream of getting rich and being able to live in luxury. And the funny thing is most real kids in the ghetto relate to that shit. Why do you think they spend so much money on brand name and flossing?
You still haven't answered the question of how a fake life story can be real. Is Rick Ross a real rapper now?
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Jay-Z has always stayed to true to himself. He's been a hustler from day one and never strayed from that path. Selling out means compromising your original values to be successful. When you look at Jay-Z before he got famous and after he was famous, its pretty clear he never sold out. His goal was always the same, his persona was always the same.
Have you even read the lyrics I posted? Jay clearly states that he would rather be more political, or 'concious' is his lyrics, but chooses to dumb it down to sell more records. That is compromising your values to be succesful.
Have you even read the lyrics yourself? It's like you're either ignoring it's message or just didn't get it. That entire verse is the realest shit ever. Jay-Z used his common sense as a hustler to do what he had through to get rich through making music. Others like Common want to dedicate their entire career to rapping about the poor man's plight, but they fail to make an impact. And J can't help the poor if he's poor himself. So he made it through his music and now has the wealth to where he can give back to the community. That's a win win, for rap fans who dig his shit and for the poor. And if that's his mantra on life how the fuck is that not real?
But Pac did a complete 180 and manufactured this hardcore, violent persona to sell records. Some of his political ideas may have stayed the same, but his character was a complete sell out.
Manufactured? He had been through so much shit by this time, a lesser man would probably have killed himself already. Yes, his character changed, but to say he did that to sell more records is far from the truth imo.
Oh please. He may have grown up poor but what was all this shit he'd been through? I mean just look at the video I posted of him when he was 17. Does that look like a tortured soul? He went to a school for the arts for crying out loud.
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lol @ NIK dodging. He stays losing.
& Infinite, you're an idiot. How the fuck does that prove what's real? Being a nice person is real to you? What if Jay is a douche & that's REAL to him? To shove it in your face? You're determining the standard for real for every human & that...just ain't real.
Being real is just what's real to your ideals. If you want to rock a suit, do it. It's only fake if you don't want to rock a suit & you do. Shit, I'd want to rock a suit everyday to work & I obviously can't now because I don't have a serious job (similar to NIK, just not jobless). But you're saying the day I get that job, I'll be fake?
You also just proved to me your unjustified hate for Jay-Z. It's obvious now that you just don't like Jay bragging about what he's done. Not like Pac & what he wants to do, but actually have achieved in his life. You're invalid.
ur such a white hick, cham...in HIP-HOP terms, keepin it real doesnt mean tellin the truth, honkey. for instance, if someone snitches and told the truth about it, that wouldn't be an example of "keepin it real"...in your squareass honkey perception of the term, that's what ur makin it seem like, but not in the hip-hop culture, young'n.
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Keeping it real in hip-hop means RunDMC just wearing the same clothes they had on that day whenever they went to the stage. They didn't have no shiny suits for the stage. They believed in "keeping it real" with the fans, and if they were wearing jeans and a leather jacket that day, they'd just walk right up on stage with it. "Keeping it Real" in hip-hop, means relating to fans, being down to Earth. Which is basically the opposite of what Jay-Z does rapping about private jets and shit like that that doesn't relate to the fans.
The best way to explain how 2pac keeps it real, and how Jay-Z doesn't "keep it real" is this. 2pac said when he raps about diamonds and jewelry "bling", that 2pac is doing to to uplift his people. And to show them that he came from gutter and now he has achieved this, and that if he can do it anyone can do it, and that he's gonna bring up the ghetto's of America with him and that it's like a movement, and everybody is sharing in his success.
...while on the other hand for Jay-Z it's more like just shoving it it people faces, what he's got. It ain't no movement, and it doesn't connect with the fans in a real way. People don't cry when they listen to Jay-Z. He doesn't connect to the fans in a real way. 2pac was so real that he brought people to tears when they'd listen to tracks like "Krazy" or "White Manz World".
Brian....most of Pac's fans aren't "his people". His biggest audience was white kids from the suburbs. How were his ghetto fairy tales or the struggles of the black man against the system real to them? Jay-Z on the other hand rapped about things that the average man can relate to. Coming up and making a name for yourself. The American dream of getting rich and being able to live in luxury. And the funny thing is most real kids in the ghetto relate to that shit. Why do you think they spend so much money on brand name and flossing?
You still haven't answered the question of how a fake life story can be real. Is Rick Ross a real rapper now?
what are u talkin about? LOL...most black people loved 2pac...get the fuck outta here.
Jay-Z is fake because a.)he swagger-jacked all the greats (including the very person he's being compared to in this topic) and b.)he raps about fake shit all the time...killing, thuggin, pimpin. if that's not enough reason, then slap yourself and read what i just wrote again.
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lol @ NIK dodging. He stays losing.
& Infinite, you're an idiot. How the fuck does that prove what's real? Being a nice person is real to you? What if Jay is a douche & that's REAL to him? To shove it in your face? You're determining the standard for real for every human & that...just ain't real.
Being real is just what's real to your ideals. If you want to rock a suit, do it. It's only fake if you don't want to rock a suit & you do. Shit, I'd want to rock a suit everyday to work & I obviously can't now because I don't have a serious job (similar to NIK, just not jobless). But you're saying the day I get that job, I'll be fake?
You also just proved to me your unjustified hate for Jay-Z. It's obvious now that you just don't like Jay bragging about what he's done. Not like Pac & what he wants to do, but actually have achieved in his life. You're invalid.
ur such a white hick, cham...in HIP-HOP terms, keepin it real doesnt mean tellin the truth, honkey. for instance, if someone snitches and told the truth about it, that wouldn't be an example of "keepin it real"...in your squareass honkey perception of the term, that's what ur makin it seem like, but not in the hip-hop culture, young'n.
I'm using the same definition Spice provided above. You're just mad because you're wrong. As always.
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Troll thread. Love it when the "cool" posters post dumb shit & act like they're always right. Always wanna go against the grain & act like its the cool thing to do, fuckin squares haha
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Troll thread. Love it when the "cool" posters post dumb shit & act like they're always right. Always wanna go against the grain & act like its the cool thing to do, fuckin squares haha
these guys aint trollin, man...they actually believe what they're sayin LOL
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I'm using the same definition Spice provided above.
That's where it went wrong.
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Jay is as real as it gets.
I feel bad for Tupac though. The fakest person on the entire planet, the hoodlum from Woodland is trying to defend his realness. It's the ultimate contradiction.
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this might be one of the stupidest arguments ever...Jay Z has admitted he had to be the opposite of real to continue making money
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I think its pretty obvious that Tupac was a studio gangsta at the end of his career and was a very impressionable person. Pac wanted to fit in with the gangsters which is sad cause there are many pro black/positive brothers that lose there way trying to fit in with the "wrong crowd." Most rappers imho make music from what they witnessed, rappers from Ice Cube to Cam'ron have all said they haven't done some of the stuff they rapped about and they are just reporting what they saw or what there friends do. Personally when I rap thats not my preference, when I rap I only rap about things I've done or did. But at the same time music is all about telling a story, as long as the music is good thats really all that matters. Tupac made some great music that a lot of people here in Los Angeles and all around the world could relate to in someway. He lost his way when he went to deathrow and I actually love egging on tupac dickryders about how fake tupac was lol. But at the end of the day the thing that really matters is the music and nobody can say that pac didn't make great music. As for Jay Z I respect him a lot for being a black male that was able to beat all adversity and make something out of his life and be a positive example of how rappers SHOULD conduct themselves when they get some money. Instead of acting like the tupacs, lil waynes, t.i's, etc and making bad decisions when they're wealthy grown men. I think anyone that really takes a rappers personal life real serious needs to fall back and just listen to the music.
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jay z - "And the music I be making
I dumb down for my audience
And double my dollars
They criticize me for it
Yet they all yell "Holla"
If skills sold
Truth be told
I'd probably be
Lyrically
Talib Kweli
Truthfully
I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
(But I did five Mil)
I ain't been rhyming like Common since"
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this might be one of the stupidest arguments ever...Jay Z has admitted he had to be the opposite of real to continue making money
LOL real spit
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jay z - "And the music I be making
I dumb down for my audience
And double my dollars
They criticize me for it
Yet they all yell "Holla"
If skills sold
Truth be told
I'd probably be
Lyrically
Talib Kweli
Truthfully
I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
(But I did five Mil)
I ain't been rhyming like Common since"
That's a hustla hustlin'. Straight realness. Again, unless you're retarded, dumbing down lyrics, but spitting the same message doesn't have an effect on realness.
One minute Pac wanted peace & wanted to see "changes" & the next he wanted to kill niggas where they stood. Those kind of contradicting ideals are exactly what define not being real.
Pac at heart probably wanted to make a changes, but he wanted to be socially accepted by his black brothas, so he kept it thug when he could. It explains why NIK is defending him so hard. NIK is similar, except he wants to be accepted by an internet community.
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jay z - "And the music I be making
I dumb down for my audience
And double my dollars
They criticize me for it
Yet they all yell "Holla"
If skills sold
Truth be told
I'd probably be
Lyrically
Talib Kweli
Truthfully
I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
(But I did five Mil)
I ain't been rhyming like Common since"
That's a hustla hustlin'. Straight realness. Again, unless you're retarded, dumbing down lyrics, but spitting the same message doesn't have an effect on realness.
One minute Pac wanted peace & wanted to see "changes" & the next he wanted to kill niggas where they stood. Those kind of contradicting ideals are exactly what define not being real.
Pac at heart probably wanted to make a changes, but he wanted to be socially accepted by his black brothas, so he kept it thug when he could. It explains why NIK is defending him so hard. NIK is similar, except he wants to be accepted by an internet community.
u realize ur so dumb that people think ur trolling, right? just checkin.
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jay z - "And the music I be making
I dumb down for my audience
And double my dollars
They criticize me for it
Yet they all yell "Holla"
If skills sold
Truth be told
I'd probably be
Lyrically
Talib Kweli
Truthfully
I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
(But I did five Mil)
I ain't been rhyming like Common since"
That's a hustla hustlin'. Straight realness. Again, unless you're retarded, dumbing down lyrics, but spitting the same message doesn't have an effect on realness.
One minute Pac wanted peace & wanted to see "changes" & the next he wanted to kill niggas where they stood. Those kind of contradicting ideals are exactly what define not being real.
Pac at heart probably wanted to make a changes, but he wanted to be socially accepted by his black brothas, so he kept it thug when he could. It explains why NIK is defending him so hard. NIK is similar, except he wants to be accepted by an internet community.
u realize ur so dumb that people think ur trolling, right? just checkin.
I fail to see how that proves me wrong that Pac wanted peace & murder simultaneously.
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jay z - "And the music I be making
I dumb down for my audience
And double my dollars
They criticize me for it
Yet they all yell "Holla"
If skills sold
Truth be told
I'd probably be
Lyrically
Talib Kweli
Truthfully
I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
(But I did five Mil)
I ain't been rhyming like Common since"
That's a hustla hustlin'. Straight realness. Again, unless you're retarded, dumbing down lyrics, but spitting the same message doesn't have an effect on realness.
One minute Pac wanted peace & wanted to see "changes" & the next he wanted to kill niggas where they stood. Those kind of contradicting ideals are exactly what define not being real.
Pac at heart probably wanted to make a changes, but he wanted to be socially accepted by his black brothas, so he kept it thug when he could. It explains why NIK is defending him so hard. NIK is similar, except he wants to be accepted by an internet community.
u realize ur so dumb that people think ur trolling, right? just checkin.
I fail to see how that proves me wrong that Pac wanted peace & murder simultaneously.
pac was somewhat bipolar, so that was actually him bein him. he spoke what he felt, from the heart...jay-z is just a fake fuck who wanted desperately to be pac, big, etc., so he swagger-jacked all of em. if pac was fake, jay-z is even faker for imitating a fake dude. now stfu, kid.
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The only thing you have against Jay are those lines from The Black Album. Which in reality only shows how much of a hustla he is.
& how did Jay try to be Pac? I can see Big.
Realness doesn't affect my thoughts of an artist though. I have nothing against Pac at all. I think you're just mistaking "real" with "deep". Yeah, Pac was deep as fuck and talked about serious things, that had substance. But as a human being & as a persona, he isn't realer than Jay.
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Pac wanted to fit in with the gangsters which is sad cause there are many pro black/positive brothers that lose there way trying to fit in with the "wrong crowd."
I don't know if it was that simple. Pac was obviously a smart dude with strong political ideas, he wasn't just hanging with the wrong crowd for no reason. When i watch the interviews from around that time it seems Tupac felt like he had to represent for that 'wrong crowd', because nobody else did. Not just by talking about it on his records, but by being active in the community. He wanted to unite the gangs and turn it into something positive.
Of course, at the same time all that crazyness was happening, with the shooting, jail time, the media, trouble with his friends, etc. My guess is all that stuff combined drove him into increasingly wild behaviour. Saying that he wanted to fit in and was just a 'studio gangster' doesn't show the whole picture.
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real and rap don't go together ... it's just entertainment , fiction ... and the little part of truth is adapted/exaggerated most of the time ... I love this music but hip hop is a liars music
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The answer is yes, and I'm a use pac words. Pac said jayz was broke and said he was balling, well most of pacs doe was on loan from suge (not saying he didn't have nothing pac bill waltons) and jay actually came in with street money (and not no nicks and dimes cash), yet pac told the world hov was broke and his groupies believed cause pac said so yet russell simmons and other label heads spoke about the "paper bag" attempts lol. Flash forward pac died with not the doe of a baller, and jay has more money then pacs label owner had at his height in wealth. Don't get no realer then that yell
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Jay-Z raps about "making it" mow because he's on top. Let's not forget earlier in his career he was another hip-hop / bling bling / wish I was tony montanna rapper.
Your "facts" about pac are crap. He said he quit selling drugs because he saw people selling sentimental items like wedding rings for drugs and he didn't want to be apart of taking their soul. Fuck being "real" that's some grown man shit. Besides that he talked about thug life and he certainly lived it. He shot cops, rolled with real street niggas like haitaian jack and king tut, got shot and survived. Etc etc etc. Pac was one of the last rappers to actually live what he talked about. Did he do 100% of the things he rapped about? No. And guess what, NO rapper has!
Cmon son, if you're that big of a Pac fan you would know all the facts I've said about him are true. You've seen Resurrection right? He says it in his own words.
As for Jay-Z, before he started rapping he was a dealer on the corner. And guess what, he rapped about it on Reasonable Doubt. It's a known fact that 2Pac didn't do any of the shit he rapped about until AFTER he became a rapper. That's not real. Look at the facts and not your emotional connection to an artist you like.
jay-z also raps about making moves with some big street dude named Dehaven.....then they interviewed Dehaven and he said Jay was nothing but a small time hustler just like any other kid in the ghetto who got allured into that shit........but when u hear Reasonable Doubt, Jay raps like he's fucking Frank Lucas................thats the same shit Pac does.....yet Pac actually writes stories about real tragic events, like Brenda's Baby, and when he does rap about drug dealing, it was never to glamorize it like the way Jay does it, it was always to show the struggle behind it.........see thats the diff between Pac and Jay.......they both fabricate stories they've heard or indirectly went through in a very artistic way but the overall message behind Pac's songs were always about struggle while with Jay it was always about being that dude........see thats the difference, and IMO, that simple difference alone makes Pac way realer than Jay will ever be........
btw Reasonable Doubt is like my favorite album.....I love the way he glamorizes all that hustler shit, especially on Can I Live, that song is the shit.......but at the end of the day, I know its all just exaggerated depictions of what he really went through.......the reason why I like Pac better is because he exaggerates about the "real" shit he went through in order to give the listener a sense of how hard it was while with Jay, I honestly never felt a sense of struggle or hardships in his songs.....just a sense of how "cool" he is
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Jay is as real as it gets.
I feel bad for Tupac though. The fakest person on the entire planet, the hoodlum from Woodland is trying to defend his realness. It's the ultimate contradiction.
you should take jay's dick out of your mouth sometimes if you want to breath
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Jay is as real as it gets.
I feel bad for Tupac though. The fakest person on the entire planet, the hoodlum from Woodland is trying to defend his realness. It's the ultimate contradiction.
you should take jay's dick out of your mouth sometimes if you want to breath
Can't breath through my nose?
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Flash forward pac died with not the doe of a baller, and jay has more money then pacs label owner had at his height in wealth. Don't get no realer then that yell
Since when does being real have anything to do with your financial situation?
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Jay is as real as it gets.
I feel bad for Tupac though. The fakest person on the entire planet, the hoodlum from Woodland is trying to defend his realness. It's the ultimate contradiction.
you should take jay's dick out of your mouth sometimes if you want to breath
Can't breath through my nose?
i don't know, maybe it's too difficult for you
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jay-z also raps about making moves with some big street dude named Dehaven.....then they interviewed Dehaven and he said Jay was nothing but a small time hustler just like any other kid in the ghetto who got allured into that shit........but when u hear Reasonable Doubt, Jay raps like he's fucking Frank Lucas................
LOL ;D
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Jay is as real as it gets.
I feel bad for Tupac though. The fakest person on the entire planet, the hoodlum from Woodland is trying to defend his realness. It's the ultimate contradiction.
you should take jay's dick out of your mouth sometimes if you want to breath
Can't breath through my nose?
lmao. this fruity kid will say anything to feel like he's winning an argument..
"take jay'z dick out your mouth so u can breathe better"
"i can breathe out my nose, duhhh"
roflsmh
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It didn't physically make sense.
& really? Look where this "argument" (if you can call me dominating like this one) has gone. You guys can't even dispute my points. You've gone straight to "groupie" disses, sounding like you're twelve.
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It didn't physically make sense.
& really? Look where this "argument" (if you can call me dominating like this one) has gone. You guys can't even dispute my points. You've gone straight to "groupie" disses, sounding like you're twelve.
you know what ? i couldn't care less about this fucking stupid thread.
jay z is fake, end of the story.
if you are happy with jay's dick in your mouth i'm happy for you
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Jay is as real as it gets. Hustlin' since he was a youth into his forties.
Plus it's a stupid discussion because you look at Pac for his five year career. He didn't have to face today's mainstream market. If he were still alive, who knows what direction his music would have taken. Look at Snoop's music. Look at Cube; dude has sitcoms. Jay was seven years into his career when he said that "dumb down" line (which still shows his realness), even more if you count him being in the industry before his debut.
Or we can fool ourselves & act like the God of Hip Hop, Tupac, would of pulled a Kurupt or Xzibit & respectfully bowed out of the spotlight to "be real".
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Jay is as real as it gets. Hustlin' since he was a youth into his forties.
BULLSHIT
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http://www.youtube.com/v/zOV0_VZEvGI
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well define real then. jay is telling the truth in that rhyme so how is it not real?
Exactly that's the question I was asking: tell me what's real to you? If being real is spitting dumbed down rhymes, but admitting it, then Jay is the realest around.
To me, being 'real' as a rapper means saying exactly what's on your mind, even if people might not want to hear it. Staying true to your self, never sell out, etc. Now you'd be hard pressed to find someone who's ALWAYS 100% real, but when you compare Pac and Jay the answer to me is obviously Pac.
good point. It has a lot to do with saying what's on your mind, and having the courage to say something that might challenge listeners. Jay-Z has never said one word on a track that has challenged the listener
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http://www.youtube.com/v/UCTqpkTcXy0
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Even Nas got realer than Pac, Bigi, Sticky, Ghost, Rea, and list goes and on... I never understand that pac is not best but he is realer. For what?
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Even Nas got realer than Pac, Bigi, Sticky, Ghost, Rea, and list goes and on... I never understand that pac is not best but he is realer. For what?
BUT jay z is not realer than pac
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Great thread.
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Only Euros would have these silly discussions, yeah. :D
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A number of inacurate statements... 2Pac never said about the drugs thing previously mentioned when kids asked what to do if offered drugs. This was a women who said that, and was put on a documentary to show how out of touch politicians and people in authority were with the youth in society
Jay Z seems like a nice guy, and a brilliant business man, but being realer? I don't know. Jay Z spent like 2 million on a party, whereas 2Pac spent $200,000 on homeless people. 2Pac was affiliated around everythign he rapped about. He was in poverty, his mother screwing the local drug dealers for crack. He lived a worse life than Jay Z. Jay Z was able to use the West/East situation to his advantage. 2Pac was a bit of an idiot at times though and condradicted himself a lot, but he had more passion, and heart so his intentions were always more sincere than Jay's. Jay started out as a wannbe Italian mob rapper, but fk it his debut album was a classic and shyts on a lot of 2Pac albums (including his debut)
But for the thread starter to take a couple of quotes from interviews (when some aren't even true) to demonstrate his level of realness, it's a bit silly... Come on kid, we can spit out a ton of lines from Jay Z and make him look like whatever too
Both are different artists... Jay was for the boss man, business man suit and booted figure head... 2Pac was community orientated and the peoples champ
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I don't know how anyone can use the word "real" when describing anything tupac did. Dude was always a follower. He followed whatever trend was popular at the time to make money. He started out as a "conscious" rapper, but by the early 90's that shit wasn't selling anymore. On the other hand down south in LA rappers were making millions doing "gangsta" rap. So what does tupac do? He moves down to LA creates Thug Life, covers himself in tattoos, creates a whole new persona for himself. And it only got worse from there.
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I've always enjoyed Jay-Z's material more than Ballerina Shakur.
Jay might have flirted with non-truthfulness of how much money he made back in the day, but he never fed in to the cliche'd conscious MC bin like Pac did.
Pac was also very poor at it.
If you truly want to rep your people, do so aspiring to big things, rather than whine about the white man and brag about all the Henny you drink. Pac never came off as real to me. More of an angry first year college kid who suddenly realizes the world isn't peachy clean, an idealist who isn't hip to the ways of the world. Putting himself out there and making an ass of himself.
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I don't know how anyone can use the word "real" when describing anything tupac did. Dude was always a follower. He followed whatever trend was popular at the time to make money. He started out as a "conscious" rapper, but by the early 90's that shit wasn't selling anymore. On the other hand down south in LA rappers were making millions doing "gangsta" rap. So what does tupac do? He moves down to LA creates Thug Life, covers himself in tattoos, creates a whole new persona for himself. And it only got worse from there.
lol Pac never really did "Gangsta" rap......he rapped about MOB and what not because Suge actually put him onto that shit........I dont see his music as "gangsta" rap, its just music about what hes going through at the time, and at the time, he was caught up in alot of gangsta bullshit lol......when I see "gangsta" rap, I automatically picture one distinct culture/sound/movement, the gangbanging in dickies and chucks drinking 40 type of music.......and I never considered Pac as part of that......Pac also made conscious music even when he was with Death Row, its just that lot of that shit got shelved and released later after his death
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^You actually reminded me of that. Tupac basically coined "Money over bitches", yet made countless songs defending women saying men need to respect them. Quite contradicting.
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^You actually reminded me of that. Tupac basically coined "Money over bitches", yet made countless songs defending women saying men need to respect them. Quite contradicting.
It's not really a contradiction unless you equate all women to being bitches.
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Jays realer but Pac was a better artist end thread.
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Lil Boosie >>> 2pac=Jay Z
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The difference for me is when u hear a jay z joint u will say "he rip that shit" when u hear a tupac joint you will say " damn that's true "or "damn thats righ"t or"that's real shit right here".To me pac was a real artist and a artist touch ur heart while jay z is a buisness man and a talented lyricist he touch ur pocket but not my heart . Like someone says tupac rep the community he speaking the truth ( the street cat can relate to what he says even if it wasn't based on his life like brenda got a baby for example) and we can feal his emotion trought his music . even when he was beef u can feel his anger all this emotions was real.
But if i a consider the arguments some people was using here then snoop ( gangmember sell drugs went to jail had a murdercase) was realer than the both of them or even 50 , eminem ....
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A number of inacurate statements... 2Pac never said about the drugs thing previously mentioned when kids asked what to do if offered drugs. This was a women who said that, and was put on a documentary to show how out of touch politicians and people in authority were with the youth in society
Jay Z seems like a nice guy, and a brilliant business man, but being realer? I don't know. Jay Z spent like 2 million on a party, whereas 2Pac spent $200,000 on homeless people. 2Pac was affiliated around everythign he rapped about. He was in poverty, his mother screwing the local drug dealers for crack. He lived a worse life than Jay Z. Jay Z was able to use the West/East situation to his advantage. 2Pac was a bit of an idiot at times though and condradicted himself a lot, but he had more passion, and heart so his intentions were always more sincere than Jay's. Jay started out as a wannbe Italian mob rapper, but fk it his debut album was a classic and shyts on a lot of 2Pac albums (including his debut)
But for the thread starter to take a couple of quotes from interviews (when some aren't even true) to demonstrate his level of realness, it's a bit silly... Come on kid, we can spit out a ton of lines from Jay Z and make him look like whatever too
Both are different artists... Jay was for the boss man, business man suit and booted figure head... 2Pac was community orientated and the peoples champ
Lmao at his mom screwing crack dealers. Your whole post is innaccurate. She worked as a paralegal for crying out loud. She wasn't so poor she couldn't get him a great education. He grew up in a community of Black Panthers where it was instilled in him to be somebody important. While Jay was on the corner dealing, this nigga was performing ballet, taking acting classes, and writing poetry. The truth is that Pac was given far more tools to succeed than Jay ever was, but his complete reinvention of his character fooled impressionable white teenagers from the suburbs into thinking he lived a miserable life.
As far as philanthropy, Jay-Z has done far more than Pac ever did. From touring in Africa, donating money there as well as giving a million for Hurricane Katrina and all his work for different communities. The guy's constantly doing charity. Lol @ acting like Pac didn't embrace the bling life as well. The nigga has a Pic of himself naked IN A BATHTUB COVERED IN GOLD.
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You're taking it too personal I think
Both 2Pac & Jay Z have a lot of front in their music. Jay's Reasonable Doubt is one big act, despite it being one of the greatest Hip Hop albums of all time. So you're telling me that 2Pac never lived a poor mans life? Come on dude, you know fine well that he did. Jay's mother was able to buy him a lot of music equipment when he was younger so as far as tools go, he had a good start too. 2Pac studying ballet, and acting and so on wasn't directly music on it's own. The black panthers were hardly a big strong force either when 2Pac was young. Anyone associated had great difficulty in obtaining jobs after the break down.
Jay Z has also made more money than 2Pac could have ever dreamt of, and has been around for 16 years. 2Pac was around fame for 4 years, and if you were actually carrying out a more precise answer by tallying everything up than hitting the forum with a bunch of big impact good will gestures you'd see on tabloids and find on any website, and score it all up in each of their charitable work between the 2. IE: Income V charitable outgoings, number of projects carried out in their "free/available" time as a percentage, and so on, and do a scoring on it, I think you'll find 2Pac would likely win hands down
A lot of these big money earners do charitable work for 2 reasons... 1) image and recognition for promotional advantages and 2) tax relief... Fact is that you can easily find what Jay Z does, whereas 2Pac done his charity on a quieter scale, a lot only coming to surface after his death
Reinvention of his character? What was that? Him appearing on 2pacalypse now with his goofy haircut, wack clothes, and rapping about political topics that had been drilled into him from his family and peers?? You want to talk about a reinvention of his character, and it's that wannabe gangster he portrayed during his Death Row days. An image Jay Z tried to play from the beginning - Only Jay's wasn't some LA gang member, it was some Scarface king Lucas of the world type shyt
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Great thread.
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Only Euros would have these silly discussions, yeah. :D
Ironic thing is, that that pic will be from the U.S.
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^Nope. White guys in this country are actually exposed to Black people & wouldn't go through the trouble of throwing gang signs up.
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^Nope. White guys in this country are actually exposed to Black people & wouldn't go through the trouble of throwing gang signs up.
you know there are black people in europe dont you ::)
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^Nope. White guys in this country are actually exposed to Black people & wouldn't go through the trouble of throwing gang signs up.
you know there are black people in europe dont you ::)
Yeah, prove it.
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A lot of Americans think Europe is a country.
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^Nope. White guys in this country are actually exposed to Black people & wouldn't go through the trouble of throwing gang signs up.
So are people from the UK. If you've ever been to London, Manchester, Dundee, or any other city in the UK you'd see that they are mostly made up of black and Asian groups, even more so than white people. The recent news about the England riots from last week would clearly validate that point.
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Just look at all those white people! ::)
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Type up wigga on google images, and you'll see that it's dominated by the U.S, which doubts your theory on how it wont be an American picture. If it's not white kids flaunting "dollars", and sitting by American number plated cars, then it's everything else in the background of a picture that can tell a lot about where that person is from. It's not an insult though because United States is huge in comparison to the UK, or any other European country and it doesn't have an overwhelming problem. Each country has their pockets of wiggers, UK included - Tim Westwood being the worst to more than make up for 10 American ones
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lol, Euros getting defensive are the best.
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*Sees who posted this*
*Remembers this dumbass post* http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=264447.0
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I don't know how anyone can use the word "real" when describing anything tupac did. Dude was always a follower. He followed whatever trend was popular at the time to make money. He started out as a "conscious" rapper, but by the early 90's that shit wasn't selling anymore. On the other hand down south in LA rappers were making millions doing "gangsta" rap. So what does tupac do? He moves down to LA creates Thug Life, covers himself in tattoos, creates a whole new persona for himself. And it only got worse from there.
The Makaveli album was speaking on conscious subjects that went over 99% of listeners heads. The full album title itself isn't remotely understood by most.
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*Sees who posted this*
*Remembers this dumbass post* http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=264447.0
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cant believe i missed that 1...lmao spice-2 has no credibility whatsoever when it comes to hip-hop. zero.
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lol, Euros getting defensive are the best.
Not defensive at all. Just invalidating your flawed impression of what you 'think' Europe is like because a lot of Americans don't know, and aren't taught a lot about territory outside of the US, and they don't need to be. The U.S. is made up of different cultures, climates, religions, laws and everything else to learn. Europe is a continent and not a country, like a lot of people adopt into belief. It's made up of different countries - Each completely different to the next, just like States are in America, but a bit further. It's not defensive or biased on my part though because a lot of people from Europe are just as bad at labelling Americans all the same, as Americans are with people in the European continent
One primary reason a lot of European countries embraced the Hip Hop culture, specifically Eastern European countries is because it was a culture that allowed free expression, openness, freedom of speech etc, for countries that were previously largely dominated by the Soviets. The UK hip hop scene is mainly grime, drum and bass, and pop rap. There isn't any real US rap strong point here, which explains why the few that do reside on boards like this
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I'd say breaking to down to that extent is being "defensive". Obviously there are Black people in Europe.
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*Sees who posted this*
*Remembers this dumbass post* http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=264447.0
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cant believe i missed that 1...lmao spice-2 has no credibility whatsoever when it comes to hip-hop. zero.
LOL, THE IRONY.
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^i was talking hip-hop on this board when u were bumping nsync cd's, biebs...there is no irony. ur a boy amongst men, know your place and fall in line.
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^i was talking hip-hop on this board when u were bumping nsync cd's, biebs...there is no irony. ur a boy amongst men, know your place and fall in line.
& you're still talking about those same Hip Hop songs LOL. If I listened to the same songs for 15 years of my life, I'd know them like the back of my hand too.
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^i was talking hip-hop on this board when u were bumping nsync cd's, biebs...there is no irony. ur a boy amongst men, know your place and fall in line.
& you're still talking about those same Hip Hop songs LOL. If I listened to the same songs for 15 years of my life, I'd know them like the back of my hand too.
i have over 2,000 hip-hop cd's from different types of artists. everyone from mos def to mac mall...u would have to step ur game up drastically to be on my level when it comes to hip-hop. real spit.
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^i was talking hip-hop on this board when u were bumping nsync cd's, biebs...there is no irony. ur a boy amongst men, know your place and fall in line.
& you're still talking about those same Hip Hop songs LOL. If I listened to the same songs for 15 years of my life, I'd know them like the back of my hand too.
i have over 2,000 hip-hop cd's from different types of artists. everyone from mos def to mac mall...u would have to step ur game up drastically to be on my level when it comes to hip-hop. real spit.
LAUGH MY FUCKING ASS OFF. That calls for spelling it out.
Line them up, take the picture. I want to count 2,000 CDs. EXACTLY.
2,000x$12.99=$25,980. I kind of hope it's true now. Hilarious.
I should have expected it though. You're the best/most knowledgeable person about every subject known to man discussed on this board. I should of figured Hip-Hop, what the entire point of this forum is, would be your absolute specialty lmfao.
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Europe is a continent and not a country, like a lot of people adopt into belief. It's made up of different countries - Each completely different to the next, just like States are in America, but a bit further.
hahahahaha ah man what a terrible way to explain that europe is more than one country
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^i was talking hip-hop on this board when u were bumping nsync cd's, biebs...there is no irony. ur a boy amongst men, know your place and fall in line.
& you're still talking about those same Hip Hop songs LOL. If I listened to the same songs for 15 years of my life, I'd know them like the back of my hand too.
i have over 2,000 hip-hop cd's from different types of artists. everyone from mos def to mac mall...u would have to step ur game up drastically to be on my level when it comes to hip-hop. real spit.
LAUGH MY FUCKING ASS OFF. That calls for spelling it out.
Line them up, take the picture. I want to count 2,000 CDs. EXACTLY.
2,000x$12.99=$25,980. I kind of hope it's true now. Hilarious.
I should have expected it though. You're the best/most knowledgeable person about every subject known to man discussed on this board. I should of figured Hip-Hop, what the entire point of this forum is, would be your absolute specialty lmfao.
suck a dick, kid
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^i was talking hip-hop on this board when u were bumping nsync cd's, biebs...there is no irony. ur a boy amongst men, know your place and fall in line.
& you're still talking about those same Hip Hop songs LOL. If I listened to the same songs for 15 years of my life, I'd know them like the back of my hand too.
i have over 2,000 hip-hop cd's from different types of artists. everyone from mos def to mac mall...u would have to step ur game up drastically to be on my level when it comes to hip-hop. real spit.
LAUGH MY FUCKING ASS OFF. That calls for spelling it out.
Line them up, take the picture. I want to count 2,000 CDs. EXACTLY.
2,000x$12.99=$25,980. I kind of hope it's true now. Hilarious.
I should have expected it though. You're the best/most knowledgeable person about every subject known to man discussed on this board. I should of figured Hip-Hop, what the entire point of this forum is, would be your absolute specialty lmfao.
kid, for real youre acting like a privileged little bitch right now. when older heads were your age we had to pay for our damn music. i spent all my wages on that shit for years and had 1000s of cds. times were different so what is so hilarious about that? just because you get everything fucking handed to you. some of us used to work hard for that shit cause we love music and feel it was worth spending money on
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^lol, why you gotta get angry for? I'm acting like a "privileged bitch"? I'm a bitch because I have things you didn't? You sound mad immature & bitter. Grow up.
& when NIK was my age, music was able to be downloaded lol.
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^lol, why you gotta get angry for? I'm acting like a "privileged bitch"? I'm a bitch because I have things you didn't? You sound mad immature & bitter. Grow up.
& when NIK was my age, music was able to be downloaded lol.
its funny to you that someone would spend all that money on CDs because:
a) you dont care about music enough to spent money on it
b) you find the idea of people spending money on music laughable because you always had that shit handed to you
or maybe you can explain option c)
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So finding something funny in general is the new definition for a bitch?
I find it funny that NIK (maybe not you if you're like 35), could of had those albums free & bought them. It was nothing to do with caring about music. It's simple economics.
Sure, buy your favorite artists album. I appreciate the music the same way you do & you spend $25,980 on it.
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I never really paid much attention to Hip Hop again until 95 onwards when I was bulk buying albums until 2003. I turned to house being the dominant genre of my CD buying due to the decline in quality at that point. Smooth house, Soca, and morna were brilliant genres too.
I was able to accumulate thousands of Hip Hop CD's like many others my age, and although some could cost £12.99, you were able to get good deals, and buy boxes of Hip Hop CD's from the old Yahoo auction sites, liquidation websites and other places as well in 1998 onwards, and ended up with a load of good albums amongst the unknown, and BS. I can remember getting a big cardboard box of CD's each month, and it was fun to search through to see what I got. I only listened to around a 5th of what I collected over the years. Anyone who claims to have thousands of CD's can't have possibly listened to them all, and gave them a good listen.
Our car stereos were basic CD players, or disc changers, not many people had CD copiers, so the portability was a good buying point as well. It was good at the time, but looking back, and seeing how 95% of them are in boxes in my attic and at my parents garage it would have been good to have the money in my hand right now that I spent on them. Cham's generation is in a better position for music, meaning they can take their I-Pods and plug them into the car stereos, have them on mobiles etc. Technology has made music more portable than we ever had it.. We had to tape our music from the radio if we wanted to get free music, and even then it was restricted to the artists 2-5 radio singles
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So finding something funny in general is the new definition for a bitch?
I find it funny that NIK (maybe not you if you're like 35), could of had those albums free & bought them. It was nothing to do with caring about music. It's simple economics.
Sure, buy your favorite artists album. I appreciate the music the same way you do & you spend $25,980 on it.
first of all, most of those albums were bought in a timeframe where downloading wasn't what it is today...when i first started buying music off of colombia's "14 cd's for 99 cents" catalogues (old school heads will know what i'm talkin about), downloading wasn't even around. what i would do is get 14 cd's for free by mail and never pay when the bill came in. i did it many, many times, and i came up on a lot of ill shit like that. then, when i was your age, there was downloading, but not like today. back in those days, downloading meant finding each song 1 by 1 on napster/kazaa/morpheus/etc., and most of the songs didnt even work after u downloaded them, it was just a really loud scratching noise. even then, i bought cd's from my local mom & pop shop, where cd's go for no more than $7.99 and most of my CD's were bought from the $3.00 and under used bin. nowadays, the only places i buy music is from my local mom & pop shop and ebay/amazon/half.com. on ebay/amazon/half, i get most of my shit for $0.99-$3.00. i never EVER paid full price for an album, and if i did, it was some super rare shit that's impossible to find....but yea, tryna bring someone down because they actually pay for their music is actually pretty pathetic on ur behalf. almost as pathetic as u thinkin ur hip-hop knowledge is anywhere close to mine...PeACe
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So finding something funny in general is the new definition for a bitch?
I find it funny that NIK (maybe not you if you're like 35), could of had those albums free & bought them. It was nothing to do with caring about music. It's simple economics.
Sure, buy your favorite artists album. I appreciate the music the same way you do & you spend $25,980 on it.
first of all, most of those albums were bought in a timeframe where downloading wasn't what it is today...when i first started buying music off of colombia's "14 cd's for 99 cents" catalogues (old school heads will know what i'm talkin about), downloading wasn't even around. what i would do is get 14 cd's for free by mail and never pay when the bill came in. i did it many, many times, and i came up on a lot of ill shit like that. then, when i was your age, there was downloading, but not like today. back in those days, downloading meant finding each song 1 by 1 on napster/kazaa/morpheus/etc., and most of the songs didnt even work after u downloaded them, it was just a really loud scratching noise. even then, i bought cd's from my local mom & pop shop, where cd's go for no more than $7.99 and most of my CD's were bought from the $3.00 and under used bin. nowadays, the only places i buy music is from my local mom & pop shop and ebay/amazon/half.com. on ebay/amazon/half, i get most of my shit for $0.99-$3.00. i never EVER paid full price for an album, and if i did, it was some super rare shit that's impossible to find....but yea, tryna bring someone down because they actually pay for their music is actually pretty pathetic on ur behalf. almost as pathetic as u thinkin ur hip-hop knowledge is anywhere close to mine...PeACe
People that are under 21 wouldn't get the notion of spending a lot of money on cd's. When they came up and started acquiring tastes in music, high speed downloading was becoming more mainstream. Not many people had high speed internet connections where it could take a couple minutes to download entire albums. It's just like in previous generations when people would by a ton of vinyl and that was supplanted by cassettes.
It's a generational thing, not everyone is going to get it.
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So finding something funny in general is the new definition for a bitch?
I find it funny that NIK (maybe not you if you're like 35), could of had those albums free & bought them. It was nothing to do with caring about music. It's simple economics.
Sure, buy your favorite artists album. I appreciate the music the same way you do & you spend $25,980 on it.
like dude said, shit was different when downloading came around, it was hard work, took a long time and it was shitty quality in the end. u had to pay for your music. and yes you are the definition of bitch. acting like u better cause u never paid for your music as if it makes u somehow smarter? no it makes u a privileged lil bitch like i said, u get all this free music and u dont appreciate it. you just think "LOL YOU HAD TO PAY FOR MUSIC?!?!?!?!"
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PAC WAS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN INFERIOR TO JAY-Z IN EVERY WAY. HIS NOTABLE WHINING ABOUT GHETTO LIFE DOES NOT MAKE HIM PROLIFIC. IT MAKES HIM AN OUTSPOKEN BALLERINA ART STUDENT.
REASONABLE DOUBT >>>> ANYTHING FROM PAC.
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HIS NOTABLE WHINING ABOUT GHETTO LIFE DOES NOT MAKE HIM PROLIFIC. IT MAKES HIM AN OUTSPOKEN BALLERINA ART STUDENT.
PREACH!
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what i would do is get 14 cd's for free by mail and never pay when the bill came in. i did it many, many times, and i came up on a lot of ill shit like that.
you mean you had your parents pay the bill. come on nikki you needed a credit card for that shit
i never EVER paid full price for an album, and if i did, it was some super rare shit that's impossible to find..
this is some of the most jewish shit ive ever seen. and i dont mean being cheap as fuck, i mean how you never EVER paid full price except for the times you did
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what i would do is get 14 cd's for free by mail and never pay when the bill came in. i did it many, many times, and i came up on a lot of ill shit like that.
you mean you had your parents pay the bill. come on nikki you needed a credit card for that shit
wrong...
i never EVER paid full price for an album, and if i did, it was some super rare shit that's impossible to find..
this is some of the most jewish shit ive ever seen. and i dont mean being cheap as fuck, i mean how you never EVER paid full price except for the times you did
8)
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Only idiots pay for music.
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PAC WAS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN INFERIOR TO JAY-Z IN EVERY WAY. HIS NOTABLE WHINING ABOUT GHETTO LIFE DOES NOT MAKE HIM PROLIFIC. IT MAKES HIM AN OUTSPOKEN BALLERINA ART STUDENT.
REASONABLE DOUBT >>>> ANYTHING FROM PAC.
I DO NOT READ POSTS IN ALL CAPS!!!!!11!
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No one can knock on someone for not buying music today. Just look at the quality of the Hip Hop being released today. If I were younger in todays age, I probably wouldn't buy it either. Hip Hop has just become an advertisement genre, and merchandise outlet for organizations
Those of us who were buying CD's in the 90's experienced the good old days. When you could go out and buy 4/5 albums, and them all being listenable to average at worst, and hot at best. Where most of the albums where reasonably solid releases. I can remember britannia - A british version of what Nikk mentioned. You would purchase 4 CD albums and only pay for one. These were the times when all genre's had quality to the music, and that was a huge reason people actually bought albums as well... Confidence in the industry was really high, money was rarely wasted like it would be today. I can count on 2 hands the number of Hip Hop albums I've bought in the last 3 years
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Only idiots pay for music.
Well lucky for you I guess. If there weren't idiots, all of these albums wouldn't be coming out.
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Only idiots pay for music.
Well lucky for you I guess. If there weren't idiots, all of these albums wouldn't be coming out.
lol, yes they would & it would result in better Hip Hop.
If the genre died mainstream people wouldn't attempt to make radio-friendly music.
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Only idiots pay for music.
Well lucky for you I guess. If there weren't idiots, all of these albums wouldn't be coming out.
lol, yes they would & it would result in better Hip Hop.
If the genre died mainstream people wouldn't attempt to make radio-friendly music.
But you listen to mainstream rappers or rappers that are chasing the mainstream. I might be happy, because I also listen to experimental shit from artists who don't give a fuck and do it because they want to. But your brand of rap would die out. A lot of those dudes would quit making music if there was no money in it.
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Only idiots pay for music.
Well lucky for you I guess. If there weren't idiots, all of these albums wouldn't be coming out.
lol, yes they would & it would result in better Hip Hop.
If the genre died mainstream people wouldn't attempt to make radio-friendly music.
But you listen to mainstream rappers or rappers that are chasing the mainstream. I might be happy, because I also listen to experimental shit from artists who don't give a fuck and do it because they want to. But your brand of rap would die out. A lot of those dudes would quit making music if there was no money in it.
I'm open minded about mainstream music. But I'm looking out for the rest of you guys.
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It doesn't tend to matter if the music sucks. The industry will still get it's money. Rights and advertising, investments, merchandise etc, not to mention a lot of artists are getting worse deals.
Just look at all the Interscope Records videos and tell me how many beats by dre products you have seen on them. How many drinks, sporting goods, and clothing labels you have seen in recent times. The fact no one buys the music due to quality, just pushes the alternative money making avenues in the industry which IMO further degrades the focus, and energy on the quality of the music
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Only idiots pay for music.
Well lucky for you I guess. If there weren't idiots, all of these albums wouldn't be coming out.
lol, yes they would & it would result in better Hip Hop.
If the genre died mainstream people wouldn't attempt to make radio-friendly music.
But you listen to mainstream rappers or rappers that are chasing the mainstream. I might be happy, because I also listen to experimental shit from artists who don't give a fuck and do it because they want to. But your brand of rap would die out. A lot of those dudes would quit making music if there was no money in it.
LOL....poor biebs. he wouldn't have Drake albums to bump.
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I'm putting a stop to these irrelevant random "realer than" threads, it's pollution.