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Lifestyle => Tha G-Spot => Topic started by: Sccit on September 12, 2011, 12:26:16 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/v/jUOdO5dqPeU
can u respect Snoop for doin these typa pop songs n keepin his name big, or do u think he's a bitchmade sellout? i think it's just Snoop bein Snoop...dude has been all about the money since day 1, so nothin he does really surprises me.
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I dont like those type of songs..but snoop is a very smart person and a businessman..i mean look at him, all his singles, features etc are major projects and always hits ..like i said before i dont like them, but i wouldnt call him a sellout or fake etc..and u know why ?
because snoop still drops the most gangsta videos in the business...look at how many videos he dropped for doggumentary..then he has his snopp episode or TV whatever its called and all this other studio, rehersal footage etc....nobody drops as much videos as him besides the lawz..hes just a businessman and he is smart for that to take that opportunity and make money while those artists (kate parry, guetta etc) are still hot.
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yes, Snoo Dogg is a fuckin sellout,
i like his song wit the armenian guy tho
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this video is alot better than dancing with gummi bears........what in the world was he thinking dancing with gummi bears?
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This way of thinking is over...
The Hip-Hop/R&B/Pop crossover factor over the years has already been done to death.
(I didn't think people still cared about who Feat: with who...)
Definite my Vote: money motivates, handle biz
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How is Snoop a sellout? A sellout is someone who goes against their principles for money. Snoop has never had the principle of being strictly hardcore gangsta rap. A sellout is someone like Common.
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How is Snoop a sellout? A sellout is someone who goes against their principles for money. Snoop has never had the principle of being strictly hardcore gangsta rap. A sellout is someone like Common.
snoop worked wit icp for cryin out loud
if that aint sellin out what is
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How is Snoop a sellout? A sellout is someone who goes against their principles for money. Snoop has never had the principle of being strictly hardcore gangsta rap. A sellout is someone like Common.
snoop worked wit icp for cryin out loud
if that aint sellin out what is
"Selling out" is the compromising of (or the perception of compromising) integrity, morality, or principles in exchange for money or "success."
Snoop can't compromise principles he doesn't have.
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Snoop has never had the principle of being strictly hardcore gangsta rap.
lol, so in the 90's you saw this coming? Snoop was doing gangsta rap for over a decade & when gangsta rap wasn't cool anymore he switched his style. He sold out.
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snoop is all about his paper....
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snoop dont listen to eminem cuz he aint gangsta
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snoop dont listen to eminem cuz he aint gangsta
retard.
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I don't think he sold out. He's been doing this kind of music for a while now. He's past him prime and is branching out to keep his name out there.
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I don't think he sold out. He's been doing this kind of music for a while now. He's past him prime and is branching out to keep his name out there.
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I remember back in '93 Snoop refused to do a song with Michael Jackson for his History project while Biggie and others did, so he did sell out later on ;)
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If you don't like a Snoop track then that track isn't for you, just switch to a Snoop you do like instead....
Snoop doesn't care about the kind of music stuck-in-the-90's heads want to hear. He just keeps his name out there and collaborates with all sorts of different artists, it's just a matter of if those artists are a hit or miss to you. Keeping his name a household brand is how he's more successful than any other 90's rapper this forum drools over.
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I remember back in '93 Snoop refused to do a song with Michael Jackson for his History project while Biggie and others did, so he did sell out later on ;)
WTF you serious? I've never heard about this. Got any more info or a link?
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I don't think he sold out. He's been doing this kind of music for a while now. He's past him prime and is branching out to keep his name out there.
AKA selling out.
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Money Talks. And all different languages too.
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usd to always defend Snoop, but after i read the Nima-interview, when he tried to degrade the stuff Eminem did ("i dont listen to Eminem-records, i make gangsta shit"),, i laughed
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Snoop has never had the principle of being strictly hardcore gangsta rap.
lol, so in the 90's you saw this coming? Snoop was doing gangsta rap for over a decade & when gangsta rap wasn't cool anymore he switched his style. He sold out.
Did I see him making a song with Katy Perry? Neither Katy Perry nor her type of music was around in the 90s. But homie had videos of himself where he turned into dogs. You really surprised 19 years later he's rapping with gummy bears?
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^ you have a point "whats my name" wasnt exactly hardcore or underground. And the video was kinda Corney.
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This thread comes like that's the first "sellout-song" he did.
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Snoop is the definition of "selling out" , he's doing songs with whoever is hot at the moment for 7-8+ years ... I can't think of one platinum rapper who never sold out at least once in his career though ... DMX maybe
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Snoops one of the biggest sell-outs in hip hop to me. Always says yes to the corniest popstars who wanna work with him. He's a good example of what Dre used to call an "industry hoe".
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DMX maybe
I can't remember one pop song where DMX appeared, no.
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He's just making money, its no wrong in that right?....I Love snoop dogg ofc its sad when he is making songs with boy bands, katy perry, david guetta and so on....but i understand him tho, D O G all dayyy... 8) 8) 8)
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I love how some stans are reacting. Lil' Wayne is "the worst thing to happen in Hip Hop history". But Snoop is "hustlin'", so it's okay.
Like you can say Wayne is ass, but Snoop is easily the worst rapper in the game right now outside of like Waka & Gucci.
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I love how some stans are reacting. Lil' Wayne is "the worst thing to happen in Hip Hop history". But Snoop is "hustlin'", so it's okay.
Like you can say Wayne is ass, but Snoop is easily the worst rapper in the game right now outside of like Waka & Gucci.
No one said the shit is dope. But its not selling out. Making wack music does not equal selling out.
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one of the differences is the voice/flow ... it's not like Snoop is on the top of his game but his last album has smooth tracks here and there ... Wayne voice is just unbearable for a lot of people , only Young Jeezy might be worse
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I remember back in '93 Snoop refused to do a song with Michael Jackson for his History project while Biggie and others did, so he did sell out later on ;)
now thats just stupid...u dont refuse a chance to work with an artist of MJ's caliber. dumbass ish.
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usd to always defend Snoop, but after i read the Nima-interview, when he tried to degrade the stuff Eminem did ("i dont listen to Eminem-records, i make gangsta shit"),, i laughed
post that part of the interview...never got around 2 reading it.
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This thread comes like that's the first "sellout-song" he did.
this is one of the gayest...i mean, it's a fuckin nsync style boy-band, if not gayer. if he made songs with backstreet boys in the late 90s, peeps would be callin for his head....this just goes to show how times have changed.
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Snoop is the definition of "selling out" , he's doing songs with whoever is hot at the moment for 7-8+ years ... I can't think of one platinum rapper who never sold out at least once in his career though ... DMX maybe
2Pac...do u think 2Pac would be doing songs with Katy Perry and gay boy bands if he were still around? I dont.
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I love how some stans are reacting. Lil' Wayne is "the worst thing to happen in Hip Hop history". But Snoop is "hustlin'", so it's okay.
Like you can say Wayne is ass, but Snoop is easily the worst rapper in the game right now outside of like Waka & Gucci.
lil wayne is gay cuz his whole steez is gay...meaning, everything he does is homo. even the solo shit he makes is whack ass pop shit. snoop at least still has the real shit to fall back on, along with the pop hits.
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Snoop is the definition of "selling out" , he's doing songs with whoever is hot at the moment for 7-8+ years ... I can't think of one platinum rapper who never sold out at least once in his career though ... DMX maybe
2Pac...do u think 2Pac would be doing songs with Katy Perry and gay boy bands if he were still around? I dont.
i guarantee you he would.....pac would go where the moneys at...women and youngstas...
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Pac was already making songs with R&B singers and some of his music was oriented towards women. Katie Perry isn't that much of a stretch.
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Pac was already making songs with R&B singers and some of his music was oriented towards women. Katie Perry isn't that much of a stretch.
K-ci & JoJo was real...lol@comparing them to Katy Perry smh
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I remember back in '93 Snoop refused to do a song with Michael Jackson for his History project while Biggie and others did, so he did sell out later on ;)
Really? Damn.
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Pac was already making songs with R&B singers and some of his music was oriented towards women. Katie Perry isn't that much of a stretch.
K-ci & JoJo was real...lol@comparing them to Katy Perry smh
lol there we go again with this word real that pretty much means "something Nik thinks is cool because they worked with one of my favorite rappers during the 90s". They are singers who make love songs. So does Faith Evans, Danny Boy, Michel'le. Val Young? She was dance pop. Pac made songs with all these singers. It's very believable that he would be working with today's pop singers as well. Katy Perry started out as a gospel singer so its not like she can't sing.
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Pac was already making songs with R&B singers and some of his music was oriented towards women. Katie Perry isn't that much of a stretch.
madonna
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Snoop would make the white nigger Will Smith blush :-[
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IMO Snoop sold out but he put in his work before. He didn't sell out right away, like say 50 Cent.
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Pac was already making songs with R&B singers and some of his music was oriented towards women. Katie Perry isn't that much of a stretch.
K-ci & JoJo was real...lol@comparing them to Katy Perry smh
lol there we go again with this word real that pretty much means "something Nik thinks is cool because they worked with one of my favorite rappers during the 90s". They are singers who make love songs. So does Faith Evans, Danny Boy, Michel'le. Val Young? She was dance pop. Pac made songs with all these singers. It's very believable that he would be working with today's pop singers as well. Katy Perry started out as a gospel singer so its not like she can't sing.
you're an idiot, stfu
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nobody said shit when quik was making music with toni tony tone...a band full of boys... :P
dre was in boy band...dre made songs for a boy band..blackstreet...
snoop not a sell out....when this rap shit is done... he got other stuff he can do...u cant rap 4ever...
snoop is nall thu out the galaxy...he cant with this rap shit nomore which is oversaturated...he can eat off that boy band music..
y stay on the same street..when there's freeways and highways that go elsewhere.
pac kept boy band leaders in music once he got to death row...aaron hall( guy) kci n jojo ( jodeci)...devante( jodeci).
u can hang snoop but dont didnt even think about the noose for pac..
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Pac was already making songs with R&B singers and some of his music was oriented towards women. Katie Perry isn't that much of a stretch.
Pac would never do a song with a white girl cause lets face this, he's
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When youve been in the game for 20 years, I dont think its a big deal to start to branch out and work with new artists. Sure, its corny when hes making songs with Katy Perry etc, but if he made the same album since day one, he wouldnt be able to get these features hes getting today. Bottom line, if you dont like the music hes making you dont have to listen to it. Snoop still the man no matter what he does. Hes gonna be smoking blunts and chilling the same way he always did in his real life. He sure changed musically over the years, but Snoop is still Snoop behind the scenes.
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Pac was already making songs with R&B singers and some of his music was oriented towards women. Katie Perry isn't that much of a stretch.
Pac would never do a song with a white girl cause lets face this, he's
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pac and madonna... id rather be your lover...
http://www.youtube.com//v/gAtuKRpxt4k
and he was fucking her...
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nobody said shit when quik was making music with toni tony tone...a band full of boys... :P
dre was in boy band...dre made songs for a boy band..blackstreet...
snoop not a sell out....when this rap shit is done... he got other stuff he can do...u cant rap 4ever...
snoop is nall thu out the galaxy...he cant with this rap shit nomore which is oversaturated...he can eat off that boy band music..
y stay on the same street..when there's freeways and highways that go elsewhere.
pac kept boy band leaders in music once he got to death row...aaron hall( guy) kci n jojo ( jodeci)...devante( jodeci).
u can hang snoop but dont didnt even think about the noose for pac..
those are urban r&b bands...if ur comparing blackstreet to backstreet boys is pretty fuckin dumb, and u know it.
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nobody said shit when quik was making music with toni tony tone...a band full of boys... :P
dre was in boy band...dre made songs for a boy band..blackstreet...
snoop not a sell out....when this rap shit is done... he got other stuff he can do...u cant rap 4ever...
snoop is nall thu out the galaxy...he cant with this rap shit nomore which is oversaturated...he can eat off that boy band music..
y stay on the same street..when there's freeways and highways that go elsewhere.
pac kept boy band leaders in music once he got to death row...aaron hall( guy) kci n jojo ( jodeci)...devante( jodeci).
u can hang snoop but dont didnt even think about the noose for pac..
those are urban r&b bands...if ur comparing blackstreet to backstreet boys is pretty fuckin dumb, and u know it.
when it comes to pac...its about the genre...
backstreet and blackstreet the same kinda corny ass band...same shit different color..
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Pac was already making songs with R&B singers and some of his music was oriented towards women. Katie Perry isn't that much of a stretch.
K-ci & JoJo was real...lol@comparing them to Katy Perry smh
lol there we go again with this word real that pretty much means "something Nik thinks is cool because they worked with one of my favorite rappers during the 90s". They are singers who make love songs. So does Faith Evans, Danny Boy, Michel'le. Val Young? She was dance pop. Pac made songs with all these singers. It's very believable that he would be working with today's pop singers as well. Katy Perry started out as a gospel singer so its not like she can't sing.
you're an idiot, stfu
says a guy who just lost an argument.
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your dumbass compares kci & jojo to backstreet boys...how can i lose?
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your dumbass compares kci & jojo to backstreet boys...how can i lose?
kci n jojo sold out to get to the backstreet boys market....
they aint been the same since their double disc album...
same 4 boyz II men...boy band...
same shit different color..
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your dumbass compares kci & jojo to backstreet boys...how can i lose?
kci n jojo sold out to get to the backstreet boys market....
they aint been the same since their double disc album...
same 4 boyz II men...boy band...
same shit different color..
lol...k-ci and jojo was an urban r&b band, not a pop teenie bopper boyband. hella rappers did songs with k-ci and jojo...it's not even comparable.
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your dumbass compares kci & jojo to backstreet boys...how can i lose?
You brought up Backstreet Boys not me. Val Young = dance pop. Madonna = pop. You can't argue what's right in front of you.
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When youve been in the game for 20 years, I dont think its a big deal to start to branch out and work with new artists. Sure, its corny when hes making songs with Katy Perry etc, but if he made the same album since day one, he wouldnt be able to get these features hes getting today. Bottom line, if you dont like the music hes making you dont have to listen to it. Snoop still the man no matter what he does. Hes gonna be smoking blunts and chilling the same way he always did in his real life. He sure changed musically over the years, but Snoop is still Snoop behind the scenes.
Couldn't have said it any better!
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your dumbass compares kci & jojo to backstreet boys...how can i lose?
You brought up Backstreet Boys not me. Val Young = dance pop. Madonna = pop. You can't argue what's right in front of you.
look at the artists snoop has worked with...look at the video i posted. that is nothing comparable to anything pac has ever done. to argue otherwise is dumb, but i expect it from u.
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your dumbass compares kci & jojo to backstreet boys...how can i lose?
You brought up Backstreet Boys not me. Val Young = dance pop. Madonna = pop. You can't argue what's right in front of you.
look at the artists snoop has worked with...look at the video i posted. that is nothing comparable to anything pac has ever done. to argue otherwise is dumb, but i expect it from u.
Pac's career lasted 5 years. In that time he worked with pop stars, made love songs, cross-dressed and took pics of himself naked in a bathtub. You're in denial if you don't think he could have worked with Katy Perry. He was already working with Madonna, who Katy Perry models her music after.
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I mean let's keep it real, Snoop sold out when he signed a recording contract before he even made Doggystyle or the Chronic. After that, he is property of his label and therefore it is them dictating to him what features he does, how his music sounds, what his lyrics say (ie ghostwriters) what his album artwork looks like etc. I'm not dissing him for that, just stating the situation.
I mean honestly Snoops music (his albums at least) have largely been weak for about 10 years now. Like how yall are appalled by this feature is how I felt the first time I heard "Drop It Like It's Hot". The song in and of itself was great for what it was, but seeing Snoop do some of the most played out trends at the time - ie Neptunes production (and again, don't get me wrong, Neptunes did some brilliant shit in their prime) and an over the top simplistic / minimalist approach to hip hop beats (like The Whistle Song by Ying Yang, some shit by David Banner and a bunch of other joints coming out of ATL at the time). For somebody that was actually listening to hip hop when albums like the Chronic and Doggystyle came out, it was kinda lame because that shit was so played out.
I def think Snoop has the ability to make great music, but his label pigeonholes him. But since he's under contract, there's not shit he can do about it, and honestly that's the agreement he made when he got into the business.
The truth is that no matter what features he does or what music he makes in the future has no bearing on his classic work. I'll prolly be bumping that shit randomly till I die lol. He still seems like the cool dude he always was and seems like he's having fun, and puts on a good live show with his band and shit.
So I say props to Snoop, play on playa.
Oh and here's Nas' 3rd verse from "Hero" which was his lead single from Untitled. He's directly speaking on this:
This universal apartheid (meaning Universal studios)
I'm hog-tied, the corporate side
Blocking y'all from going to stores and buying it
First L.A. and Doug Morris was riding wit it
But Newsweek article startled big wigs
They said, Nas, why is he trying it?
My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winning
Forgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginning
Still in musical prison, in jail for the flow
Try telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy Joel
They can't sing what's in their soul
So untitled it is
I never change nothin'
But people remember this
If Nas can't say it, think about these talented kids
With new ideas being told what they can and can't spit
I can't sit and watch it
So, sh! t, I'ma drop it
Like it or not
You ain't gotta cop it
I'm a hustler in the studio
Cups of Don Julio
No matter what the CD called
I'm unbeatable, y'all
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your dumbass compares kci & jojo to backstreet boys...how can i lose?
You brought up Backstreet Boys not me. Val Young = dance pop. Madonna = pop. You can't argue what's right in front of you.
Yes he can. He tried to argue "I Need A Doctor" isn't Dre's biggest hit, despite the fact it sold the most being in his face lol.
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I mean let's keep it real, Snoop sold out when he signed a recording contract before he even made Doggystyle or the Chronic. After that, he is property of his label and therefore it is them dictating to him what features he does, how his music sounds, what his lyrics say (ie ghostwriters) what his album artwork looks like etc. I'm not dissing him for that, just stating the situation.
I mean honestly Snoops music (his albums at least) have largely been weak for about 10 years now. Like how yall are appalled by this feature is how I felt the first time I heard "Drop It Like It's Hot". The song in and of itself was great for what it was, but seeing Snoop do some of the most played out trends at the time - ie Neptunes production (and again, don't get me wrong, Neptunes did some brilliant shit in their prime) and an over the top simplistic / minimalist approach to hip hop beats (like The Whistle Song by Ying Yang, some shit by David Banner and a bunch of other joints coming out of ATL at the time). For somebody that was actually listening to hip hop when albums like the Chronic and Doggystyle came out, it was kinda lame because that shit was so played out.
I def think Snoop has the ability to make great music, but his label pigeonholes him. But since he's under contract, there's not shit he can do about it, and honestly that's the agreement he made when he got into the business.
The truth is that no matter what features he does or what music he makes in the future has no bearing on his classic work. I'll prolly be bumping that shit randomly till I die lol. He still seems like the cool dude he always was and seems like he's having fun, and puts on a good live show with his band and shit.
So I say props to Snoop, play on playa.
Oh and here's Nas' 3rd verse from "Hero" which was his lead single from Untitled. He's directly speaking on this:
This universal apartheid (meaning Universal studios)
I'm hog-tied, the corporate side
Blocking y'all from going to stores and buying it
First L.A. and Doug Morris was riding wit it
But Newsweek article startled big wigs
They said, Nas, why is he trying it?
My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winning
Forgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginning
Still in musical prison, in jail for the flow
Try telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy Joel
They can't sing what's in their soul
So untitled it is
I never change nothin'
But people remember this
If Nas can't say it, think about these talented kids
With new ideas being told what they can and can't spit
I can't sit and watch it
So, sh! t, I'ma drop it
Like it or not
You ain't gotta cop it
I'm a hustler in the studio
Cups of Don Julio
No matter what the CD called
I'm unbeatable, y'all
this post is pretty on point...but in that sense, snoop sold out way b4 "drop it like it's hot", back when he signed with no limit and droppin dirty south tracks, which was the popular trend at the time.
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Snoop has reached legend and iconic status. He's done so much in the game and done so much for West Coast rap I don't think it's fair to diss him for branching out at this late stage in his career.
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Snoop has reached legend and iconic status. He's done so much in the game and done so much for West Coast rap I don't think it's fair to diss him for branching out at this late stage in his career.
I think it has more to do with the fact that you're a groupie.
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Snoop sold out after Doggystyle. His Doggfather album was trash. He went from having fun to being a serious mob figure..That wasnt cool. I dislike fake mfs.
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^Doggfather was actually a great, underrated album...
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snoop is definitely a bandwagon hopper
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Respect the hustle! Snoop still making hits after all these years.
Snoop has reached legend and iconic status. He's done so much in the game and done so much for West Coast rap I don't think it's fair to diss him for branching out at this late stage in his career.
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Respect the hustle! Snoop still making hits after all these years.
Snoop has reached legend and iconic status. He's done so much in the game and done so much for West Coast rap I don't think it's fair to diss him for branching out at this late stage in his career.
:-X :-X :puke:
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i dont see the issue with him making music with whoever he wants. Its just music and at the end of the day he's getting paid for it. That gangsta music he used to do is played out now. Why make that kind of music that isnt appealing to masses? It wouldnt surprise me if a majority of his fans from the early 90s have moved on with their lives and could care less about what he's doing now
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your dumbass compares kci & jojo to backstreet boys...how can i lose?
You brought up Backstreet Boys not me. Val Young = dance pop. Madonna = pop. You can't argue what's right in front of you.
Yes he can. He tried to argue "I Need A Doctor" isn't Dre's biggest hit, despite the fact it sold the most being in his face lol.
I think he just can't admit when he's lost
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snoop is definitely a bandwagon hopper
True but let's keep it 100 would he be as big today without doing that? I mean dude is so big that he barely doesn't need to release anything people will still love him for who he is and what he did for the game. The thing is this hip-hop game is so fucking fickle, shit changes so much that most (not all) rappers that rely on dope music and staying true to themselves end up not being succesful (in a sense) and making enough bread while a dude like Snoop who most would say fell off at least 10 years ago (minus Blue Carpet Treatment) is still here.
If he stayed like he was on Death Row people would complain that he didn't switch up and sounded repetitive and shit. No matter what you do hip-hop fans complain and since money is security compared to a career in the music game they rather go for that bread that'll help them pay college funds, houses, cars and live that rich live especially since many come from a poor enviroment and only 1-5 out of 50 even make it to that level.
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your dumbass compares kci & jojo to backstreet boys...how can i lose?
You brought up Backstreet Boys not me. Val Young = dance pop. Madonna = pop. You can't argue what's right in front of you.
Yes he can. He tried to argue "I Need A Doctor" isn't Dre's biggest hit, despite the fact it sold the most being in his face lol.
I think he just can't admit when he's lost
if u put your brain together with cham's, you'd still be lacking mental ability.
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I mean let's keep it real, Snoop sold out when he signed a recording contract before he even made Doggystyle or the Chronic. After that, he is property of his label and therefore it is them dictating to him what features he does, how his music sounds, what his lyrics say (ie ghostwriters) what his album artwork looks like etc. I'm not dissing him for that, just stating the situation.
I mean honestly Snoops music (his albums at least) have largely been weak for about 10 years now. Like how yall are appalled by this feature is how I felt the first time I heard "Drop It Like It's Hot". The song in and of itself was great for what it was, but seeing Snoop do some of the most played out trends at the time - ie Neptunes production (and again, don't get me wrong, Neptunes did some brilliant shit in their prime) and an over the top simplistic / minimalist approach to hip hop beats (like The Whistle Song by Ying Yang, some shit by David Banner and a bunch of other joints coming out of ATL at the time). For somebody that was actually listening to hip hop when albums like the Chronic and Doggystyle came out, it was kinda lame because that shit was so played out.
I def think Snoop has the ability to make great music, but his label pigeonholes him. But since he's under contract, there's not shit he can do about it, and honestly that's the agreement he made when he got into the business.
The truth is that no matter what features he does or what music he makes in the future has no bearing on his classic work. I'll prolly be bumping that shit randomly till I die lol. He still seems like the cool dude he always was and seems like he's having fun, and puts on a good live show with his band and shit.
So I say props to Snoop, play on playa.
Oh and here's Nas' 3rd verse from "Hero" which was his lead single from Untitled. He's directly speaking on this:
This universal apartheid (meaning Universal studios)
I'm hog-tied, the corporate side
Blocking y'all from going to stores and buying it
First L.A. and Doug Morris was riding wit it
But Newsweek article startled big wigs
They said, Nas, why is he trying it?
My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winning
Forgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginning
Still in musical prison, in jail for the flow
Try telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy Joel
They can't sing what's in their soul
So untitled it is
I never change nothin'
But people remember this
If Nas can't say it, think about these talented kids
With new ideas being told what they can and can't spit
I can't sit and watch it
So, sh! t, I'ma drop it
Like it or not
You ain't gotta cop it
I'm a hustler in the studio
Cups of Don Julio
No matter what the CD called
I'm unbeatable, y'all
this post is pretty on point...but in that sense, snoop sold out way b4 "drop it like it's hot", back when he signed with no limit and droppin dirty south tracks, which was the popular trend at the time.
No Limit was the biggest label at the time, and they were making dope original music w/ their own in house production team Beats By The Pound. BBTP weren't doing pop songs for britney spears and shit like that. I was anticipating his no limit album a lot when it came out, and there were some dope records on his NL debut.
Snoop signed to them in what, 98? The south wasn't really blowing up like that at the time. Cash Money hadn't even blown up yet. The south really started to blow in the early-mid 2000's with that "ringtone rap", and Snoop was jumping on that fad w/ Drop It Like It's Hot.
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I mean let's keep it real, Snoop sold out when he signed a recording contract before he even made Doggystyle or the Chronic. After that, he is property of his label and therefore it is them dictating to him what features he does, how his music sounds, what his lyrics say (ie ghostwriters) what his album artwork looks like etc. I'm not dissing him for that, just stating the situation.
I mean honestly Snoops music (his albums at least) have largely been weak for about 10 years now. Like how yall are appalled by this feature is how I felt the first time I heard "Drop It Like It's Hot". The song in and of itself was great for what it was, but seeing Snoop do some of the most played out trends at the time - ie Neptunes production (and again, don't get me wrong, Neptunes did some brilliant shit in their prime) and an over the top simplistic / minimalist approach to hip hop beats (like The Whistle Song by Ying Yang, some shit by David Banner and a bunch of other joints coming out of ATL at the time). For somebody that was actually listening to hip hop when albums like the Chronic and Doggystyle came out, it was kinda lame because that shit was so played out.
I def think Snoop has the ability to make great music, but his label pigeonholes him. But since he's under contract, there's not shit he can do about it, and honestly that's the agreement he made when he got into the business.
The truth is that no matter what features he does or what music he makes in the future has no bearing on his classic work. I'll prolly be bumping that shit randomly till I die lol. He still seems like the cool dude he always was and seems like he's having fun, and puts on a good live show with his band and shit.
So I say props to Snoop, play on playa.
Oh and here's Nas' 3rd verse from "Hero" which was his lead single from Untitled. He's directly speaking on this:
This universal apartheid (meaning Universal studios)
I'm hog-tied, the corporate side
Blocking y'all from going to stores and buying it
First L.A. and Doug Morris was riding wit it
But Newsweek article startled big wigs
They said, Nas, why is he trying it?
My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winning
Forgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginning
Still in musical prison, in jail for the flow
Try telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy Joel
They can't sing what's in their soul
So untitled it is
I never change nothin'
But people remember this
If Nas can't say it, think about these talented kids
With new ideas being told what they can and can't spit
I can't sit and watch it
So, sh! t, I'ma drop it
Like it or not
You ain't gotta cop it
I'm a hustler in the studio
Cups of Don Julio
No matter what the CD called
I'm unbeatable, y'all
this post is pretty on point...but in that sense, snoop sold out way b4 "drop it like it's hot", back when he signed with no limit and droppin dirty south tracks, which was the popular trend at the time.
No Limit was the biggest label at the time, and they were making dope original music w/ their own in house production team Beats By The Pound. BBTP weren't doing pop songs for britney spears and shit like that. I was anticipating his no limit album a lot when it came out, and there were some dope records on his NL debut.
Snoop signed to them in what, 98? The south wasn't really blowing up like that at the time. Cash Money hadn't even blown up yet. The south really started to blow in the early-mid 2000's with that "ringtone rap", and Snoop was jumping on that fad w/ Drop It Like It's Hot.
Even though the South wasn't running shit they def had a few acts out there and being that Snoop joined NL and even tried to fit their m.o. when he joined people saw it as a bandwagon move. But i will say this Snoop did have 2 of his best albums (No Limit Top Dogg and Last Meal) on the label too and that was when he got back to being himself because the audience demanded it. People ain't demanding gangsta music now and Snoop can basically do anything he wants and he already got millions on top of millions so he doesn't care anymore.
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Pac's career lasted 5 years. In that time he worked with pop stars, made love songs, cross-dressed and took pics of himself naked in a bathtub. You're in denial if you don't think he could have worked with Katy Perry. He was already working with Madonna, who Katy Perry models her music after.
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I mean let's keep it real, Snoop sold out when he signed a recording contract before he even made Doggystyle or the Chronic. After that, he is property of his label and therefore it is them dictating to him what features he does, how his music sounds, what his lyrics say (ie ghostwriters) what his album artwork looks like etc. I'm not dissing him for that, just stating the situation.
I mean honestly Snoops music (his albums at least) have largely been weak for about 10 years now. Like how yall are appalled by this feature is how I felt the first time I heard "Drop It Like It's Hot". The song in and of itself was great for what it was, but seeing Snoop do some of the most played out trends at the time - ie Neptunes production (and again, don't get me wrong, Neptunes did some brilliant shit in their prime) and an over the top simplistic / minimalist approach to hip hop beats (like The Whistle Song by Ying Yang, some shit by David Banner and a bunch of other joints coming out of ATL at the time). For somebody that was actually listening to hip hop when albums like the Chronic and Doggystyle came out, it was kinda lame because that shit was so played out.
I def think Snoop has the ability to make great music, but his label pigeonholes him. But since he's under contract, there's not shit he can do about it, and honestly that's the agreement he made when he got into the business.
The truth is that no matter what features he does or what music he makes in the future has no bearing on his classic work. I'll prolly be bumping that shit randomly till I die lol. He still seems like the cool dude he always was and seems like he's having fun, and puts on a good live show with his band and shit.
So I say props to Snoop, play on playa.
Oh and here's Nas' 3rd verse from "Hero" which was his lead single from Untitled. He's directly speaking on this:
This universal apartheid (meaning Universal studios)
I'm hog-tied, the corporate side
Blocking y'all from going to stores and buying it
First L.A. and Doug Morris was riding wit it
But Newsweek article startled big wigs
They said, Nas, why is he trying it?
My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winning
Forgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginning
Still in musical prison, in jail for the flow
Try telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy Joel
They can't sing what's in their soul
So untitled it is
I never change nothin'
But people remember this
If Nas can't say it, think about these talented kids
With new ideas being told what they can and can't spit
I can't sit and watch it
So, sh! t, I'ma drop it
Like it or not
You ain't gotta cop it
I'm a hustler in the studio
Cups of Don Julio
No matter what the CD called
I'm unbeatable, y'all
this post is pretty on point...but in that sense, snoop sold out way b4 "drop it like it's hot", back when he signed with no limit and droppin dirty south tracks, which was the popular trend at the time.
No Limit was the biggest label at the time, and they were making dope original music w/ their own in house production team Beats By The Pound. BBTP weren't doing pop songs for britney spears and shit like that. I was anticipating his no limit album a lot when it came out, and there were some dope records on his NL debut.
Snoop signed to them in what, 98? The south wasn't really blowing up like that at the time. Cash Money hadn't even blown up yet. The south really started to blow in the early-mid 2000's with that "ringtone rap", and Snoop was jumping on that fad w/ Drop It Like It's Hot.
LOL, what are u talkin about...No Limit was the hottest label at the time Snoop signed, and Snoop hopped on their steez. "Da Game" was a pretty whack album, with the exception of a few cuts. If you wanna say he sold out with Neptunes, you might as well say he sold out with Master P & Beats by the Pound.
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your dumbass compares kci & jojo to backstreet boys...how can i lose?
You brought up Backstreet Boys not me. Val Young = dance pop. Madonna = pop. You can't argue what's right in front of you.
He tried to argue "I Need A Doctor" isn't Dre's biggest hit.
I'm at a loss for words if you really believe "I Need A Doctor" is Dre's biggest hit.
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As far as the actual thread topic goes, I don't see a problem with Snoop recording those tracks. If someone's willing to shell out the money (anyone know by the way what Snoop charges for a verse), I don't blame Snoop for taking the money and giving them a verse.
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your dumbass compares kci & jojo to backstreet boys...how can i lose?
You brought up Backstreet Boys not me. Val Young = dance pop. Madonna = pop. You can't argue what's right in front of you.
He tried to argue "I Need A Doctor" isn't Dre's biggest hit.
I'm at a loss for words if you really believe "I Need A Doctor" is Dre's biggest hit.
I'm at a loss for words if you cannot read statistics that show it had the highest sales (or second highest).
Hits only go as far as how much they sell. That's the intention of them.
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your dumbass compares kci & jojo to backstreet boys...how can i lose?
You brought up Backstreet Boys not me. Val Young = dance pop. Madonna = pop. You can't argue what's right in front of you.
He tried to argue "I Need A Doctor" isn't Dre's biggest hit.
I'm at a loss for words if you really believe "I Need A Doctor" is Dre's biggest hit.
I'm at a loss for words if you cannot read statistics that show it had the highest sales (or second highest).
Hits only go as far as how much they sell. That's the intention of them.
Like someone once told me, you get into a pissing match with a skunk, no one wins. Have your day buddy and keep
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How is that trolling? Who argues statistics? A moron. That's who.
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ur too stupid to think past a statistic, even when it's explained to u...he thinks ur trolling cuz u cant possibly be this dumb in real life.
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^See, that's why nobody can take you seriously. You believe you can think beyond what is a fact. But that's how you like to argue. You like to argue opinion, which can be debated into infinity. Therefore, you cannot be proven that your wrong despite sounding & coming off as a complete moron. So I mean, do what works for you, but I see through you.
2+2=4. There is no deeper meaning. It's just an undeniable truth.
You need to lay off the drugs.
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^i would explain why you're wrong, but ur 2 stupid 2 get it..
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^Yeah, I'm an idiot. That's why I'm in college & you, judging by your non-employment, likely dropped out of high school.
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nobody said shit when quik was making music with toni tony tone...a band full of boys... :P
dre was in boy band...dre made songs for a boy band..blackstreet...
snoop not a sell out....when this rap shit is done... he got other stuff he can do...u cant rap 4ever...
snoop is nall thu out the galaxy...he cant with this rap shit nomore which is oversaturated...he can eat off that boy band music..
y stay on the same street..when there's freeways and highways that go elsewhere.
pac kept boy band leaders in music once he got to death row...aaron hall( guy) kci n jojo ( jodeci)...devante( jodeci).
u can hang snoop but dont didnt even think about the noose for pac..
those are urban r&b bands...if ur comparing blackstreet to backstreet boys is pretty fuckin dumb, and u know it.
when it comes to pac...its about the genre...
backstreet and blackstreet the same kinda corny ass band...same shit different color..
fuck no, they are not same. only ignorant closeminded person would say that . blackstreet in R&B & backstreet boys is pop boy band . there is very big difference . this fact is not opinion. so don't even try arguing back like a dumbass.
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your dumbass compares kci & jojo to backstreet boys...how can i lose?
You brought up Backstreet Boys not me. Val Young = dance pop. Madonna = pop. You can't argue what's right in front of you.
look at the artists snoop has worked with...look at the video i posted. that is nothing comparable to anything pac has ever done. to argue otherwise is dumb, but i expect it from u.
Pac's career lasted 5 years. In that time he worked with pop stars, made love songs, cross-dressed and took pics of himself naked in a bathtub. You're in denial if you don't think he could have worked with Katy Perry. He was already working with Madonna, who Katy Perry models her music after.
ketty perry may model her music after madonna but it sounds like nothing like what madonna would do at alll. madonna & katy perry are two different things all together.
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nobody said shit when quik was making music with toni tony tone...a band full of boys... :P
dre was in boy band...dre made songs for a boy band..blackstreet...
snoop not a sell out....when this rap shit is done... he got other stuff he can do...u cant rap 4ever...
snoop is nall thu out the galaxy...he cant with this rap shit nomore which is oversaturated...he can eat off that boy band music..
y stay on the same street..when there's freeways and highways that go elsewhere.
pac kept boy band leaders in music once he got to death row...aaron hall( guy) kci n jojo ( jodeci)...devante( jodeci).
u can hang snoop but dont didnt even think about the noose for pac..
toni tony tone is not a boy band . toni tony tone is R&B group . i never seen any boy band play instruments like toni tony tone. .blackstreet in R&B & backstreet boys is pop boy band . there is very big difference . this fact is not opinion. so don't even try arguing back like a dumbass. aaron hall is R&B singer. R&B is part hip hop but you are too ignorant & closeminded to know that. kci n jojo ( jodeci) are R&B group & never ever sold out . boyz II men is R&b group & never sold out like you stupid ignorant closeminded ass thinks . everything i just said is unarguable fact not ignorant closeminded opinion like yours.
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how the hell they not a boy band..
not a group full of women...
and they play instruments...
cant make it a double standard because white groups r considered boy bands..n blacks r groups..
all of em boys...they in a group they a band...same sappy ass shit nysnc backstreet boys sing black counterparts do the same..
only different whites accept both..and dont give a shit what others think...from what i notice...
aaron hall came from a boy band... guy... teddy riley and his brother
he went solo like the rest of the boy bands did like the justins... nick carter..etc...
like them
dave hollister, aaron hall, etc left..kuz the other members were dead weight..
r&b is not apart of hip hop...dj quik made sexy leroy n the chocolate luvlites..to make fun of r&b...the motex shit on balance n options...was dissing smokey robinson marvin gaye nem...80s n 90s..r&b didnt want shit to do with rap....
hell don cornelius didnt even want the shit on soul train....til this day he will tell u he never got it and hated...
only difference....is the skin color..
unarguable fact...lol.. get the fuck outta here.. these niggas boyz 2 men, public announcement(rkelly first group) h-town, jodeci, boyz II men, guy, toni tony tone...all have something every white boy band has had since for ever..
1 main singer.. and the rest back up..and the main singer...always goes solo..and u never heard shit else from the back up singers..
dino died...h-town died
kci n jojo left-jodeci died
raphael saadiq left- ttt died
aaron hall - left..teddy riley stuck to being a producer
gerald levert went solo n then died- levert dont even exist
r.kelly left- where is public announcment
dave hollister left-..teddy riley went back to producing...
all the solo acts in these r&b groups r no different from the timbelakes, marky marks, nick carters, nck lacheys, ashley parker
all who left their groups...and u never heard anything else with the left overs...
boyz II men, kci n jojo all sold out...listen to cooleyhighharmony and the 1st 3 jodeci albums..and tell me them niggas aint get white washed...
they got rid of the grit they once had...i am a fan of those niggas and they entire style changed...no devante no michael bivens...
they boy bands breh.... how come the white boys get the label boy bands..but the niggas dont...when they do the exact same shit.. follow the exact same pattern..then eventually follow the same cliche break up routine.. when the ones go solo...n fall off ...all of sudden its a reunion...
i can argue this shit all day long...
r&b just now crossin over to hip hop...alot of them niggas didnt fuck with rap...unless it was the street singers.. but the babyface, johnny gill, gerald levert....etc...
been around and know more about this music shit than few niggas on this board and I know the history of this shit...
listen to the last song on quiks way 2 fonky....he shitted on the r n b industry ....get ya mind correct breh...
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your dumbass compares kci & jojo to backstreet boys...how can i lose?
You brought up Backstreet Boys not me. Val Young = dance pop. Madonna = pop. You can't argue what's right in front of you.
He tried to argue "I Need A Doctor" isn't Dre's biggest hit.
I'm at a loss for words if you really believe "I Need A Doctor" is Dre's biggest hit.
It's his second biggest based on sales and radio spins....what more do you want?
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your dumbass compares kci & jojo to backstreet boys...how can i lose?
You brought up Backstreet Boys not me. Val Young = dance pop. Madonna = pop. You can't argue what's right in front of you.
look at the artists snoop has worked with...look at the video i posted. that is nothing comparable to anything pac has ever done. to argue otherwise is dumb, but i expect it from u.
Pac's career lasted 5 years. In that time he worked with pop stars, made love songs, cross-dressed and took pics of himself naked in a bathtub. You're in denial if you don't think he could have worked with Katy Perry. He was already working with Madonna, who Katy Perry models her music after.
ketty perry may model her music after madonna but it sounds like nothing like what madonna would do at alll. madonna & katy perry are two different things all together.
It's the same genre. You may like one over the other but stylistically they are similar.
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Jodeci a boy band? lol, wth.
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When youve been in the game for 20 years, I dont think its a big deal to start to branch out and work with new artists. Sure, its corny when hes making songs with Katy Perry etc, but if he made the same album since day one, he wouldnt be able to get these features hes getting today. Bottom line, if you dont like the music hes making you dont have to listen to it. Snoop still the man no matter what he does. Hes gonna be smoking blunts and chilling the same way he always did in his real life. He sure changed musically over the years, but Snoop is still Snoop behind the scenes.
not dissing you but how can you say that, do you know the man personally ? people tend to change a bit in 20 years , especially after getting millions of dollars and a few kids. of course he´s got nothing to prove to anyone . and yeah i tend to skip the weak songs on his albums, i don´t wanna listen to that.
it was obvious from the beginning snoop would sell out, you have to do that if you want to be a pop star. i mean , look at Father Hood, how is that not selling out. but he´s not hiding it so i don´t see what the big deal is, kids want pop stars and the media needs pop stars . snoop is a character, a media figure.
some of his freestyles are better than the ghostwritten bars on his albums .
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your dumbass compares kci & jojo to backstreet boys...how can i lose?
You brought up Backstreet Boys not me. Val Young = dance pop. Madonna = pop. You can't argue what's right in front of you.
He tried to argue "I Need A Doctor" isn't Dre's biggest hit.
I'm at a loss for words if you really believe "I Need A Doctor" is Dre's biggest hit.
what one is bigger? Dre Day? G thang?
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Is I Need A Doctor really that big of a hit? Maybe it's just me who is not caught up in the game anymore. But back when I was a kid, songs like Still Dre where everywhere, and anyone knew the beat, even people who hated rap and shit. Now I'm much more isolated from things like radio or what the kids listen to on their ipod or what gets played during teenage parties, but I really can't imagine I Need A Doctor being bigger than Still Dre. I never even accidently come across the song in real life. Only when I open up the file on my laptop.
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^Yeah, I'm an idiot. That's why I'm in college & you, judging by your non-employment, likely dropped out of high school.
i'm above u...thats why i spit facts, while u make up lies and assumptions to win arguments. it's obvious who has the higher worth. and to top it off, yes, you are an idiot.
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Is I Need A Doctor really that big of a hit? Maybe it's just me who is not caught up in the game anymore. But back when I was a kid, songs like Still Dre where everywhere, and anyone knew the beat, even people who hated rap and shit. Now I'm much more isolated from things like radio or what the kids listen to on their ipod or what gets played during teenage parties, but I really can't imagine I Need A Doctor being bigger than Still Dre. I never even accidently come across the song in real life. Only when I open up the file on my laptop.
Our childhood distorts things. You from Cali? I remember Still Dre getting a bunch of spins on KMEL but when you look at the numbers it didn't do well on the charts at all. Barely cracked the hot 100 and dropped off shortly afterwards.
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Is I Need A Doctor really that big of a hit? Maybe it's just me who is not caught up in the game anymore. But back when I was a kid, songs like Still Dre where everywhere, and anyone knew the beat, even people who hated rap and shit. Now I'm much more isolated from things like radio or what the kids listen to on their ipod or what gets played during teenage parties, but I really can't imagine I Need A Doctor being bigger than Still Dre. I never even accidently come across the song in real life. Only when I open up the file on my laptop.
no, you're right.."I Need a Doctor" is nowhere near being Dre's biggest hit. He has songs that are recognized universally, and "I Need a Doctor" is not one of 'em. The only thing is that "I Need a Doctor" was his second highest SELLING single, but with the introduction of Itunes singles selling for 99 cent in recent years, that figure means jack shit. Itunes has changed the game in terms of single sales, and anyone who fails to factor this into the equation (cham, spice-2) is a complete fucking moron.
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Is I Need A Doctor really that big of a hit? Maybe it's just me who is not caught up in the game anymore. But back when I was a kid, songs like Still Dre where everywhere, and anyone knew the beat, even people who hated rap and shit. Now I'm much more isolated from things like radio or what the kids listen to on their ipod or what gets played during teenage parties, but I really can't imagine I Need A Doctor being bigger than Still Dre. I never even accidently come across the song in real life. Only when I open up the file on my laptop.
no, you're right.."I Need a Doctor" is nowhere near being Dre's biggest hit. He has songs that are recognized universally, and "I Need a Doctor" is not one of 'em. The only thing is that "I Need a Doctor" was his second highest SELLING single, but with the introduction of Itunes singles selling for 99 cent in recent years, that figure means jack shit. Itunes has changed the game in terms of single sales, and anyone who fails to factor this into the equation (cham, spice-2) is a complete fucking moron.
Sales and radio spins....what more do you want? Those are the most important numbers to go by. Statistics >> the opinion of a kid who is stuck in the 90s.
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Is I Need A Doctor really that big of a hit? Maybe it's just me who is not caught up in the game anymore. But back when I was a kid, songs like Still Dre where everywhere, and anyone knew the beat, even people who hated rap and shit. Now I'm much more isolated from things like radio or what the kids listen to on their ipod or what gets played during teenage parties, but I really can't imagine I Need A Doctor being bigger than Still Dre. I never even accidently come across the song in real life. Only when I open up the file on my laptop.
no, you're right.."I Need a Doctor" is nowhere near being Dre's biggest hit. He has songs that are recognized universally, and "I Need a Doctor" is not one of 'em. The only thing is that "I Need a Doctor" was his second highest SELLING single, but with the introduction of Itunes singles selling for 99 cent in recent years, that figure means jack shit. Itunes has changed the game in terms of single sales, and anyone who fails to factor this into the equation (cham, spice-2) is a complete fucking moron.
Sales and radio spins....what more do you want? Those are the most important numbers to go by. Statistics >> the opinion of a kid who is stuck in the 90s.
how am i stuck in the 90s? because i dont bump wacka flocka and justin bieber? lmao...ur gay, buddy. and "i need a doctor" has nowhere NEAR the radio spins of his other singles, u just made that up yourself.
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your dumbass compares kci & jojo to backstreet boys...how can i lose?
You brought up Backstreet Boys not me. Val Young = dance pop. Madonna = pop. You can't argue what's right in front of you.
He tried to argue "I Need A Doctor" isn't Dre's biggest hit.
I'm at a loss for words if you really believe "I Need A Doctor" is Dre's biggest hit.
what one is bigger? Dre Day? G thang?
I need a doctor is NO hit. 0 replay value, nobody playing it.
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Lol at I need a doctor being dres biggest hit. Some of y'all are retarded.
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Is I Need A Doctor really that big of a hit? Maybe it's just me who is not caught up in the game anymore. But back when I was a kid, songs like Still Dre where everywhere, and anyone knew the beat, even people who hated rap and shit. Now I'm much more isolated from things like radio or what the kids listen to on their ipod or what gets played during teenage parties, but I really can't imagine I Need A Doctor being bigger than Still Dre. I never even accidently come across the song in real life. Only when I open up the file on my laptop.
no, you're right.."I Need a Doctor" is nowhere near being Dre's biggest hit. He has songs that are recognized universally, and "I Need a Doctor" is not one of 'em. The only thing is that "I Need a Doctor" was his second highest SELLING single, but with the introduction of Itunes singles selling for 99 cent in recent years, that figure means jack shit. Itunes has changed the game in terms of single sales, and anyone who fails to factor this into the equation (cham, spice-2) is a complete fucking moron.
Sales and radio spins....what more do you want? Those are the most important numbers to go by. Statistics >> the opinion of a kid who is stuck in the 90s.
how am i stuck in the 90s? because i dont bump wacka flocka and justin bieber? lmao...ur gay, buddy. and "i need a doctor" has nowhere NEAR the radio spins of his other singles, u just made that up yourself.
The Billboard counts spins as well as sales. Check yourself. The fact that Still Dre only made it to 95 on the charts and then fell off, speaks for itself.
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Is I Need A Doctor really that big of a hit? Maybe it's just me who is not caught up in the game anymore. But back when I was a kid, songs like Still Dre where everywhere, and anyone knew the beat, even people who hated rap and shit. Now I'm much more isolated from things like radio or what the kids listen to on their ipod or what gets played during teenage parties, but I really can't imagine I Need A Doctor being bigger than Still Dre. I never even accidently come across the song in real life. Only when I open up the file on my laptop.
no, you're right.."I Need a Doctor" is nowhere near being Dre's biggest hit. He has songs that are recognized universally, and "I Need a Doctor" is not one of 'em. The only thing is that "I Need a Doctor" was his second highest SELLING single, but with the introduction of Itunes singles selling for 99 cent in recent years, that figure means jack shit. Itunes has changed the game in terms of single sales, and anyone who fails to factor this into the equation (cham, spice-2) is a complete fucking moron.
Sales and radio spins....what more do you want? Those are the most important numbers to go by. Statistics >> the opinion of a kid who is stuck in the 90s.
how am i stuck in the 90s? because i dont bump wacka flocka and justin bieber? lmao...ur gay, buddy. and "i need a doctor" has nowhere NEAR the radio spins of his other singles, u just made that up yourself.
The Billboard counts spins as well as sales. Check yourself. The fact that Still Dre only made it to 95 on the charts and then fell off, speaks for itself.
So sales make it his biggest hit? That song is without a doubt the worst song Dre had ever been a part of. Besides, I'm sure the sales numbers are bullishit anyway, they all are inflated which is why you will see enormous first week sales and then a major drop off immediately after. The industry is a joke and I can't wait until all of those labels and media related to it die.
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Is I Need A Doctor really that big of a hit? Maybe it's just me who is not caught up in the game anymore. But back when I was a kid, songs like Still Dre where everywhere, and anyone knew the beat, even people who hated rap and shit. Now I'm much more isolated from things like radio or what the kids listen to on their ipod or what gets played during teenage parties, but I really can't imagine I Need A Doctor being bigger than Still Dre. I never even accidently come across the song in real life. Only when I open up the file on my laptop.
no, you're right.."I Need a Doctor" is nowhere near being Dre's biggest hit. He has songs that are recognized universally, and "I Need a Doctor" is not one of 'em. The only thing is that "I Need a Doctor" was his second highest SELLING single, but with the introduction of Itunes singles selling for 99 cent in recent years, that figure means jack shit. Itunes has changed the game in terms of single sales, and anyone who fails to factor this into the equation (cham, spice-2) is a complete fucking moron.
Sales and radio spins....what more do you want? Those are the most important numbers to go by. Statistics >> the opinion of a kid who is stuck in the 90s.
how am i stuck in the 90s? because i dont bump wacka flocka and justin bieber? lmao...ur gay, buddy. and "i need a doctor" has nowhere NEAR the radio spins of his other singles, u just made that up yourself.
The Billboard counts spins as well as sales. Check yourself. The fact that Still Dre only made it to 95 on the charts and then fell off, speaks for itself.
So sales make it his biggest hit? That song is without a doubt the worst song Dre had ever been a part of. Besides, I'm sure the sales numbers are bullishit anyway, they all are inflated which is why you will see enormous first week sales and then a major drop off immediately after. The industry is a joke and I can't wait until all of those labels and media related to it die.
What you think of the song is irrelevant to this argument. It's still done better popularity-wise than all but one of his other songs. Will it be a Dre staple? Not to me. But its done better in the time it was released comparative to anything from 2001. The fanboy in you won't see reason.
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snoop came smooth on otherwise trash track
but nigga making money of that shit, probably got paid 6 figures to jump on that track, so what?
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lol @ NIK saying he doesn't listen to Waka & Bieber.
Nigga, you don't listen to anyone that was introduced post-2000.
I remember that picture of some of those albums you had, I don't think one was from a 21st century artist. So don't act like you don't fuck with the poor acts of this past decade, you just skipped it.
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I mean let's keep it real, Snoop sold out when he signed a recording contract before he even made Doggystyle or the Chronic. After that, he is property of his label and therefore it is them dictating to him what features he does, how his music sounds, what his lyrics say (ie ghostwriters) what his album artwork looks like etc. I'm not dissing him for that, just stating the situation.
I mean honestly Snoops music (his albums at least) have largely been weak for about 10 years now. Like how yall are appalled by this feature is how I felt the first time I heard "Drop It Like It's Hot". The song in and of itself was great for what it was, but seeing Snoop do some of the most played out trends at the time - ie Neptunes production (and again, don't get me wrong, Neptunes did some brilliant shit in their prime) and an over the top simplistic / minimalist approach to hip hop beats (like The Whistle Song by Ying Yang, some shit by David Banner and a bunch of other joints coming out of ATL at the time). For somebody that was actually listening to hip hop when albums like the Chronic and Doggystyle came out, it was kinda lame because that shit was so played out.
I def think Snoop has the ability to make great music, but his label pigeonholes him. But since he's under contract, there's not shit he can do about it, and honestly that's the agreement he made when he got into the business.
The truth is that no matter what features he does or what music he makes in the future has no bearing on his classic work. I'll prolly be bumping that shit randomly till I die lol. He still seems like the cool dude he always was and seems like he's having fun, and puts on a good live show with his band and shit.
So I say props to Snoop, play on playa.
Oh and here's Nas' 3rd verse from "Hero" which was his lead single from Untitled. He's directly speaking on this:
This universal apartheid (meaning Universal studios)
I'm hog-tied, the corporate side
Blocking y'all from going to stores and buying it
First L.A. and Doug Morris was riding wit it
But Newsweek article startled big wigs
They said, Nas, why is he trying it?
My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winning
Forgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginning
Still in musical prison, in jail for the flow
Try telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy Joel
They can't sing what's in their soul
So untitled it is
I never change nothin'
But people remember this
If Nas can't say it, think about these talented kids
With new ideas being told what they can and can't spit
I can't sit and watch it
So, sh! t, I'ma drop it
Like it or not
You ain't gotta cop it
I'm a hustler in the studio
Cups of Don Julio
No matter what the CD called
I'm unbeatable, y'all
this post is pretty on point...but in that sense, snoop sold out way b4 "drop it like it's hot", back when he signed with no limit and droppin dirty south tracks, which was the popular trend at the time.
No Limit was the biggest label at the time, and they were making dope original music w/ their own in house production team Beats By The Pound. BBTP weren't doing pop songs for britney spears and shit like that. I was anticipating his no limit album a lot when it came out, and there were some dope records on his NL debut.
Snoop signed to them in what, 98? The south wasn't really blowing up like that at the time. Cash Money hadn't even blown up yet. The south really started to blow in the early-mid 2000's with that "ringtone rap", and Snoop was jumping on that fad w/ Drop It Like It's Hot.
LOL, what are u talkin about...No Limit was the hottest label at the time Snoop signed, and Snoop hopped on their steez. "Da Game" was a pretty whack album, with the exception of a few cuts. If you wanna say he sold out with Neptunes, you might as well say he sold out with Master P & Beats by the Pound.
Snoop went to NL to get off Death Row and it was his best option at the time. And you're right, No Limit (and badboy) were the biggest labels at the time. Maybe you weren't into NL, but they were the biggest because they brought something original and had some really dope rappers and production, and that shit was raw. Everybody was feelin their shit at the time, and based on his NL features prior to him signing, most people were anticipating that.
Eventhough his 1st NL album wasn't classic, he did make some dope songs on there. And if I wasn't on my phone I'd up some of his NL features where he rips the beat like he hadn't done since doggystyle. So he def meshed well with BBTP, but ultimately peeps wanted his more traditional westcoast beats. That's why his 2nd album is about 50/50 NL/west and his 3rd was like 20/80 NL/west.
Nobody was looking at it as a sellout move at the time lol.
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Is I Need A Doctor really that big of a hit? Maybe it's just me who is not caught up in the game anymore. But back when I was a kid, songs like Still Dre where everywhere, and anyone knew the beat, even people who hated rap and shit. Now I'm much more isolated from things like radio or what the kids listen to on their ipod or what gets played during teenage parties, but I really can't imagine I Need A Doctor being bigger than Still Dre. I never even accidently come across the song in real life. Only when I open up the file on my laptop.
no, you're right.."I Need a Doctor" is nowhere near being Dre's biggest hit. He has songs that are recognized universally, and "I Need a Doctor" is not one of 'em. The only thing is that "I Need a Doctor" was his second highest SELLING single, but with the introduction of Itunes singles selling for 99 cent in recent years, that figure means jack shit. Itunes has changed the game in terms of single sales, and anyone who fails to factor this into the equation (cham, spice-2) is a complete fucking moron.
Sales and radio spins....what more do you want? Those are the most important numbers to go by. Statistics >> the opinion of a kid who is stuck in the 90s.
how am i stuck in the 90s? because i dont bump wacka flocka and justin bieber? lmao...ur gay, buddy. and "i need a doctor" has nowhere NEAR the radio spins of his other singles, u just made that up yourself.
The Billboard counts spins as well as sales. Check yourself. The fact that Still Dre only made it to 95 on the charts and then fell off, speaks for itself.
So sales make it his biggest hit? That song is without a doubt the worst song Dre had ever been a part of. Besides, I'm sure the sales numbers are bullishit anyway, they all are inflated which is why you will see enormous first week sales and then a major drop off immediately after. The industry is a joke and I can't wait until all of those labels and media related to it die.
What you think of the song is irrelevant to this argument. It's still done better popularity-wise than all but one of his other songs. Will it be a Dre staple? Not to me. But its done better in the time it was released comparative to anything from 2001. The fanboy in you won't see reason.
Hahahahaha go ahead an let sales tell u what's good...I feel sorry for ur motha
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Sales might not determine what is good but they are a pretty good measuring stick of what is a hit.
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Sales might not determine what is good but they are a pretty good measuring stick of what is a hit.
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Sales might not determine what is good but they are a pretty good measuring stick of what is a hit.
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I understand why he does it...
But i want more doggystyle / dogg food type albums... best flow area in rap... Even when he freestyled back then he fuckin killed everything.. Give those times back.
SNOOP DOGGY DOGG -> Snoop Dogg .. add the middle again..
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Sales might not determine what is good but they are a pretty good measuring stick of what is a hit.
So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?
That's industry talk clouding your brain.
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Is I Need A Doctor really that big of a hit? Maybe it's just me who is not caught up in the game anymore. But back when I was a kid, songs like Still Dre where everywhere, and anyone knew the beat, even people who hated rap and shit. Now I'm much more isolated from things like radio or what the kids listen to on their ipod or what gets played during teenage parties, but I really can't imagine I Need A Doctor being bigger than Still Dre. I never even accidently come across the song in real life. Only when I open up the file on my laptop.
no, you're right.."I Need a Doctor" is nowhere near being Dre's biggest hit. He has songs that are recognized universally, and "I Need a Doctor" is not one of 'em. The only thing is that "I Need a Doctor" was his second highest SELLING single, but with the introduction of Itunes singles selling for 99 cent in recent years, that figure means jack shit. Itunes has changed the game in terms of single sales, and anyone who fails to factor this into the equation (cham, spice-2) is a complete fucking moron.
Sales and radio spins....what more do you want? Those are the most important numbers to go by. Statistics >> the opinion of a kid who is stuck in the 90s.
how am i stuck in the 90s? because i dont bump wacka flocka and justin bieber? lmao...ur gay, buddy. and "i need a doctor" has nowhere NEAR the radio spins of his other singles, u just made that up yourself.
The Billboard counts spins as well as sales. Check yourself. The fact that Still Dre only made it to 95 on the charts and then fell off, speaks for itself.
So sales make it his biggest hit? That song is without a doubt the worst song Dre had ever been a part of. Besides, I'm sure the sales numbers are bullishit anyway, they all are inflated which is why you will see enormous first week sales and then a major drop off immediately after. The industry is a joke and I can't wait until all of those labels and media related to it die.
What you think of the song is irrelevant to this argument. It's still done better popularity-wise than all but one of his other songs. Will it be a Dre staple? Not to me. But its done better in the time it was released comparative to anything from 2001. The fanboy in you won't see reason.
You think INAD was more popular than those songs i listed above? You don't know what you're talking about.
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snoop went to nl because one thing...master p was the only person out of all the labels at the time..that wasnt scared to go deal with suge...
he got snoop out his deal... and changed all of snoops work.. dropped doggy dogg...the publishing ...etc...
suge thought he was finna get a dr dre eazy e deal...n he could eat off em..
suge couldnt eat off shit of snoop ...cept the stuff he had in the vault..thats why he tried to release those albums..kuz once p signed the papers n got snoop to new orleans...suge got fucked..
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snoop went to nl because one thing...master p was the only person out of all the labels at the time..that wasnt scared to go deal with suge...
he got snoop out his deal... and changed all of snoops work.. dropped doggy dogg...the publishing ...etc...
suge thought he was finna get a dr dre eazy e deal...n he could eat off em..
suge couldnt eat off shit of snoop ...cept the stuff he had in the vault..thats why he tried to release those albums..kuz once p signed the papers n got snoop to new orleans...suge got fucked..
I'm pretty sure Suge Knight was still getting paid off of Snoop's No Limit material.
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So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?
On an individual chart level? Yes. It was a bigger hit. However, popularity is a tough thing to measure. Those songs you mention are from a different era and have aged significantly well in the 10-18 years they've been out. But the fact is "I Need A Doctor" is one of Dr. Dre's most succesful singles.
That's industry talk clouding your brain.
What industry talk exactly? We're on the same forum. Having the same discussion. I'm not on a cell phone chatting it up with Teddy Chung about points on the next Snoop record.
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Sales might not determine what is good but they are a pretty good measuring stick of what is a hit.
So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?
That's industry talk clouding your brain.
FACT: It's a bigger hit in 2011 than Dre's other singles were in the years they were released (with the exception of G Thang). If not sales or radio spins what the fuck do you want to judge it by? Your ranking of the favorite songs from your childhood is not a measure of how popular songs were.
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lol @ NIK saying he doesn't listen to Waka & Bieber.
Nigga, you don't listen to anyone that was introduced post-2000.
I remember that picture of some of those albums you had, I don't think one was from a 21st century artist. So don't act like you don't fuck with the poor acts of this past decade, you just skipped it.
another lie fabricated with the intention of u gaining a false feeling of being on my level when u clearly aint...I listen to a gang of new school rappers. theyre just not the gay ones that u love 2 bump and u probably aint even heard of most of em. c-lim, skari, loki, etc. if a rapper came out post-90's and he's tight, i will bump his shit...hell, i even bump some hopsin and tyler shit, because they come with some dope shit...i even been makin threads about dope newschool rappers, but ur 2 stuck up in ur gayness to even realize. bottom line, time to hop off, fagboy.
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So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?
On an individual chart level? Yes. It was a bigger hit. However, popularity is a tough thing to measure. Those songs you mention are from a different era and have aged significantly well in the 10-18 years they've been out. But the fact is "I Need A Doctor" is one of Dr. Dre's most succesful singles.
This is correct. Lasting appeal is something that occurs over time and is different than instantaneous popularity. "I Need a Doctor" just came out, so no one knows how relevant it will be to Dre's career 10 years from now. For example, "NY State of Mind" didn't have a big impact for Nas when it came out, but its lasting appeal to his fans has made it one of Nas's most memorable songs. "I Can" was Nas's most successful single, but I doubt his core fanbase thinks much of it.
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I mean let's keep it real, Snoop sold out when he signed a recording contract before he even made Doggystyle or the Chronic. After that, he is property of his label and therefore it is them dictating to him what features he does, how his music sounds, what his lyrics say (ie ghostwriters) what his album artwork looks like etc. I'm not dissing him for that, just stating the situation.
I mean honestly Snoops music (his albums at least) have largely been weak for about 10 years now. Like how yall are appalled by this feature is how I felt the first time I heard "Drop It Like It's Hot". The song in and of itself was great for what it was, but seeing Snoop do some of the most played out trends at the time - ie Neptunes production (and again, don't get me wrong, Neptunes did some brilliant shit in their prime) and an over the top simplistic / minimalist approach to hip hop beats (like The Whistle Song by Ying Yang, some shit by David Banner and a bunch of other joints coming out of ATL at the time). For somebody that was actually listening to hip hop when albums like the Chronic and Doggystyle came out, it was kinda lame because that shit was so played out.
I def think Snoop has the ability to make great music, but his label pigeonholes him. But since he's under contract, there's not shit he can do about it, and honestly that's the agreement he made when he got into the business.
The truth is that no matter what features he does or what music he makes in the future has no bearing on his classic work. I'll prolly be bumping that shit randomly till I die lol. He still seems like the cool dude he always was and seems like he's having fun, and puts on a good live show with his band and shit.
So I say props to Snoop, play on playa.
Oh and here's Nas' 3rd verse from "Hero" which was his lead single from Untitled. He's directly speaking on this:
This universal apartheid (meaning Universal studios)
I'm hog-tied, the corporate side
Blocking y'all from going to stores and buying it
First L.A. and Doug Morris was riding wit it
But Newsweek article startled big wigs
They said, Nas, why is he trying it?
My lawyers only see the Billboard charts as winning
Forgetting - Nas the only true rebel since the beginning
Still in musical prison, in jail for the flow
Try telling Bob Dylan, Bruce, or Billy Joel
They can't sing what's in their soul
So untitled it is
I never change nothin'
But people remember this
If Nas can't say it, think about these talented kids
With new ideas being told what they can and can't spit
I can't sit and watch it
So, sh! t, I'ma drop it
Like it or not
You ain't gotta cop it
I'm a hustler in the studio
Cups of Don Julio
No matter what the CD called
I'm unbeatable, y'all
this post is pretty on point...but in that sense, snoop sold out way b4 "drop it like it's hot", back when he signed with no limit and droppin dirty south tracks, which was the popular trend at the time.
No Limit was the biggest label at the time, and they were making dope original music w/ their own in house production team Beats By The Pound. BBTP weren't doing pop songs for britney spears and shit like that. I was anticipating his no limit album a lot when it came out, and there were some dope records on his NL debut.
Snoop signed to them in what, 98? The south wasn't really blowing up like that at the time. Cash Money hadn't even blown up yet. The south really started to blow in the early-mid 2000's with that "ringtone rap", and Snoop was jumping on that fad w/ Drop It Like It's Hot.
LOL, what are u talkin about...No Limit was the hottest label at the time Snoop signed, and Snoop hopped on their steez. "Da Game" was a pretty whack album, with the exception of a few cuts. If you wanna say he sold out with Neptunes, you might as well say he sold out with Master P & Beats by the Pound.
Snoop went to NL to get off Death Row and it was his best option at the time. And you're right, No Limit (and badboy) were the biggest labels at the time. Maybe you weren't into NL, but they were the biggest because they brought something original and had some really dope rappers and production, and that shit was raw. Everybody was feelin their shit at the time, and based on his NL features prior to him signing, most people were anticipating that.
Eventhough his 1st NL album wasn't classic, he did make some dope songs on there. And if I wasn't on my phone I'd up some of his NL features where he rips the beat like he hadn't done since doggystyle. So he def meshed well with BBTP, but ultimately peeps wanted his more traditional westcoast beats. That's why his 2nd album is about 50/50 NL/west and his 3rd was like 20/80 NL/west.
Nobody was looking at it as a sellout move at the time lol.
i dunno where u were, but a lot of people did consider snoop movin 2 no limit a sell-out move, callin him a punk for abandoning the west and headin on south, which was gaining more popularity at the time. not sayin every1 said that he was sellin out, but there was definitely a group of peeps who were against the move. either way, there isn't a big difference between what neptunes were doing to what no limit was doing. neptunes were still hip-hop, so him makin songs like "beautiful", "it blows my mind" and "drop it like it's hot" was really no different from him hoppin on the master p sound. "da game" is amongst snoop's worst albums..... when he started leaving hip-hop and venturing over into pop, now that's a whole different story.
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Sales might not determine what is good but they are a pretty good measuring stick of what is a hit.
So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?
That's industry talk clouding your brain.
FACT: It's a bigger hit in 2011 than Dre's other singles were in the years they were released (with the exception of G Thang). If not sales or radio spins what the fuck do you want to judge it by? Your ranking of the favorite songs from your childhood is not a measure of how popular songs were.
when u continuously choose to ignore the fact that single sales have sky-rocketed since the introduction of itune singles for 99 cents and u continuously dodge that fact in every single one of ur posts, it just goes to show what a fucking moron u are. thats the end of it.
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Sales might not determine what is good but they are a pretty good measuring stick of what is a hit.
So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?
That's industry talk clouding your brain.
FACT: It's a bigger hit in 2011 than Dre's other singles were in the years they were released (with the exception of G Thang). If not sales or radio spins what the fuck do you want to judge it by? Your ranking of the favorite songs from your childhood is not a measure of how popular songs were.
when u continuously choose to ignore the fact that single sales have sky-rocketed since the introduction of itune singles for 99 cents and u continuously dodge that fact in every single one of ur posts, it just goes to show what a fucking moron u are. thats the end of it.
Gotta agree with that. Really need to stop comparing single sales of today with something 10-15 years ago that didn't offer the option of purchasing songs off a few clicks of a button.
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Sales might not determine what is good but they are a pretty good measuring stick of what is a hit.
So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?
That's industry talk clouding your brain.
FACT: It's a bigger hit in 2011 than Dre's other singles were in the years they were released (with the exception of G Thang). If not sales or radio spins what the fuck do you want to judge it by? Your ranking of the favorite songs from your childhood is not a measure of how popular songs were.
when u continuously choose to ignore the fact that single sales have sky-rocketed since the introduction of itune singles for 99 cents and u continuously dodge that fact in every single one of ur posts, it just goes to show what a fucking moron u are. thats the end of it.
lol @ saying "dodge". Nigga, we've explained time & time again that it's easier to download it for free then buy it. Your "excuse" for that was, "14 year old girls (who love Dre's music apparently) are running to download his new single in CDQ (because they know the difference apparently)".
Son, you always tell me I'm young, I'm this, I'm that, let me just explain this to you from the actual position of being a "kid". I don't know a single person who buys music off of iTunes. People on Facebook straight up post mediafire & hulkshare links as statuses allowing everyone & their mother to download a new popular song.
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that's a popular black pop sampler in germany that just hit the stores:
Disk 1:
01. Champagne Showers – Lmfao
02. Free – Natalia Kills
03. Super Bass – Nicki Minaj
04. Give Me Everything – Pitbull
05. Don’t Wanna Go Home – Jason Derulo
06. Own This Club – Marvin Priest
07. Danza Kuduro – Lucenzo
08. Welcome To St. Tropez – Dj Antoine..
09. The Bomb – Pigeon John
10. Out Of My Head – Lupe Fiasco
11. If I Was You (Omg) – Snoop Dogg & Far East Movement
12. Motivation – Rowland, Kelly
13. Who Dat Girl – Flo Rida
14. In The Dark – Dev
15. Don’t Stop The Party – Black Eyed Peas
16. The Edge Of Glory – Lady GaGa
17. Spaceship – Dappy, Tinchy Stryder
18. Could It Be You (Punk Rock Chick) – Brandyn H*Wood Bordeaux
19. Bounce – Harris, Calvin
20. Closer – Ekow
21. Energy – Spank Rock
Disk 2:
01. New Age – Marlon Roudette
02. Right There – Scherzinger, Nicole
03. Best Love Song – T-Pain
04. I’m Into You – Lopez, Jennifer
05. The Lazy Song – Bruno Mars
06. Green Lights – Aloe Blacc
07. Nobody’s Perfect – Jessie J
08. Ass On The Floor – Diddy – Dirty Money
09. California King Bed – Rihanna
10. Celui – Colonel Reyel
11. Black And Yellow – Wiz Khalifa
12. Boom – Snoop Dogg
13. Down On Me – Jeremih
14. I’m On One – Dj Khaled
15. Ballin’ – Young Jeezy
16. Paris Va Bien – Sexion D’assaut
17. C’est La Vie – Soprano
18. Spiegelbild – Fler
19. Poesie Album – Deluxe, Samy
20. Traktor – Wretch 32
21. So Perfekt – Casper
i need a doctor wasn't even close to making it. niggas is bullshittin with those itunes sales. back in the day you had to buy a fucking CD for several bucks, now it's 99 cents off of click, a fucking click.
niggas ain't playing i need a doctor on the streets at all. bitches aint dropping clothes to it at all.
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INAD had little impact in Europe ... this song has been quickly forgotten while everybody and their mama know "Still Dre" and "The next episode" ... Billboard numbers doesn't say it all ... do you really think "Drop it like it's hot" is a bigger hit than "What's my name " ?
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Sales might not determine what is good but they are a pretty good measuring stick of what is a hit.
So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?
That's industry talk clouding your brain.
FACT: It's a bigger hit in 2011 than Dre's other singles were in the years they were released (with the exception of G Thang). If not sales or radio spins what the fuck do you want to judge it by? Your ranking of the favorite songs from your childhood is not a measure of how popular songs were.
when u continuously choose to ignore the fact that single sales have sky-rocketed since the introduction of itune singles for 99 cents and u continuously dodge that fact in every single one of ur posts, it just goes to show what a fucking moron u are. thats the end of it.
lol @ saying "dodge". Nigga, we've explained time & time again that it's easier to download it for free then buy it. Your "excuse" for that was, "14 year old girls (who love Dre's music apparently) are running to download his new single in CDQ (because they know the difference apparently)".
Son, you always tell me I'm young, I'm this, I'm that, let me just explain this to you from the actual position of being a "kid". I don't know a single person who buys music off of iTunes. People on Facebook straight up post mediafire & hulkshare links as statuses allowing everyone & their mother to download a new popular song.
yet, still, the number of single sales have increased immensely in current years..and u are too fucking slow to understand this. u are arguing a STATISTIC, something u claimed me to do, u dumbass child. step ur game up. DRASTICALLY.
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INAD had little impact in Europe ... this song has been quickly forgotten while everybody and their mama know "Still Dre" and "The next episode" ... Billboard numbers doesn't say it all ... do you really think "Drop it like it's hot" is a bigger hit than "What's my name " ?
these kids are simply too stupid to understand simple logic. no matter what u say, they are so dumb that they will not be convinced otherwise. sad mufuckaz.
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do you really think "Drop it like it's hot" is a bigger hit than "What's my name " ?
Yes, I do. When the President of the fucking United States is talking about your song and dancing to it, that's pretty big. I don't like "Drop It Like It's Hot" but it's one of, if not THE, biggest hit of Snoop's career.
Gotta agree with that. Really need to stop comparing single sales of today with something 10-15 years ago that didn't offer the option of purchasing songs off a few clicks of a button.
I agree that it's a much different market BUT are you actually trying to argue that it's easier to SELL music, now? Everything is basically free to anyone with the slighest bit of technical savy at all. Any song I want to hear right now, I can hear it in about 12 seconds. Instantly. And there's a flood of options. Yes, it's only ninety-nine cents to download a song but there's a shit load of songs out there.
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Since the trolls take things literally word for word, yes because "I Need a Doctor" sold 2 million+ copies & that makes it Dre's most successful single financially.
HOWEVER
Before you pat yourselves on the back, just remember that if you're going to compare two songs, you also have to take into consideration all circumstances and not take the FOX News approach and only mention what's convenient. With that said, you've failed to acknowledge this:
You cannot buy any of Dr. Dre's Death Row material on iTunes. This includes "The Chronic", "Death Row's Greatest Hits", "The Chronicles", "15 Years on Death Row", and EVERY HIP-HOP COMPILATION THAT FEATURES THE SONG ON IT. This stems from the lawsuit with WideAwake from earlier this year.
http://www.billboard.com/news/dr-dre-wins-lawsuit-against-death-row-digital-1005144652.story#/news/dr-dre-wins-lawsuit-against-death-row-digital-1005144652.story
The most recent case he filed centered on his 1996 exit agreement with the label, which called for him to receive 18 percent royalties on his music created while at Death Row and gave him substantial authority over how the songs were used.
The agreement states that WIDEawake can only sell Dre's music in the format it appeared in before the deal. Another of Dre's attorneys, Stephen Rothschild, told Snyder during arguments in court on Monday that meant it could only appear in four formats: CD, cassette, vinyl and 8-Track.
You can go apples to apples with digital sales with "Still D.R.E." but because Dre's Death Row stuff can't be sold digitally (for the time being), it isn't a fair comparison. If you honestly think that just because "I Need a Doctor" sold more itunes songs it's a better track and will have a legacy that even approaches "Nuthin' But a G Thang", you're delusional.
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Sales might not determine what is good but they are a pretty good measuring stick of what is a hit.
So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?
That's industry talk clouding your brain.
FACT: It's a bigger hit in 2011 than Dre's other singles were in the years they were released (with the exception of G Thang). If not sales or radio spins what the fuck do you want to judge it by? Your ranking of the favorite songs from your childhood is not a measure of how popular songs were.
when u continuously choose to ignore the fact that single sales have sky-rocketed since the introduction of itune singles for 99 cents and u continuously dodge that fact in every single one of ur posts, it just goes to show what a fucking moron u are. thats the end of it.
You're the one ignoring my posts. I've told you repeatedly that the billboard tracks sales AND radio spins.
Fact: Still Dre only reached position 95 on the hot 100. INAD reached number 4. That means its HUGELY more successful compared to other songs. You keep talking about iTune sales, but do you see me quoting digital sales? No, the billboard position shows a song's success RELATIVE to other popular songs. Meaning Still Dre was in 93rd place behind 93 other songs. And INAD was in 4th behind 3 other songs. Only an idiot could still be denying what's right in front of you.
The people who disagree are still talking about the quality of the song and how it will never be a part of Dre's legacy. That's proof enough that your bias towards not liking the song is blinding you to fact. I guarantee you if you loved the song, you wouldn't be disagreeing.
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Also should point out that the Billboard is the industry standard, and that no one has come up with any better measurement.
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Also should point out that the Billboard is the industry standard, and that no one has come up with any better measurement.
This is true. Guess to me i just see a hit as being something that was hot when it came out the gates and continues to stand the test of time. Theres been a lot of garbage that has hit high on the billboard charts and ends up being considered trash years down the line...lets not forget barbie girl and mambo no. 5 lol
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Reality Check, you're just a fucking idiot, man lmao. Like seriously dumb.
I'll delete my account if you can post show anyone who posted here saying "I Need A Doctor is a better song than G Thang". You're putting words in our mouth to fight your argument because you're wrong. Nobody said anything relatively close to that. It sold more, that's all. It's a fact. Cannot be argued. End of discussion.
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snoop went to nl because one thing...master p was the only person out of all the labels at the time..that wasnt scared to go deal with suge...
he got snoop out his deal... and changed all of snoops work.. dropped doggy dogg...the publishing ...etc...
suge thought he was finna get a dr dre eazy e deal...n he could eat off em..
suge couldnt eat off shit of snoop ...cept the stuff he had in the vault..thats why he tried to release those albums..kuz once p signed the papers n got snoop to new orleans...suge got fucked..
I'm pretty sure Suge Knight was still getting paid off of Snoop's No Limit material.
i doubt it... p knew how to get his and cut the side action out.... mystikal wasnt eatin right with jive..so he signed mystikal while he still was at jive...and both of em ate good...jive hardly got anything til the tank collapsed..
and soon as he signed snoop..what he do...dropped doggy and changed alot of stuff up...
why snoop let his nuts hang about snoop..and knowin suge he would been on some that punk nigga still pays me shit..
why he went signed alot of clone rappers..and dissed nl with fake snoops and pac..
if it was all find and dandy why diss no limit and snoop when u eatin...no logic what so ever..in that
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Sales might not determine what is good but they are a pretty good measuring stick of what is a hit.
So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?
That's industry talk clouding your brain.
FACT: It's a bigger hit in 2011 than Dre's other singles were in the years they were released (with the exception of G Thang). If not sales or radio spins what the fuck do you want to judge it by? Your ranking of the favorite songs from your childhood is not a measure of how popular songs were.
when u continuously choose to ignore the fact that single sales have sky-rocketed since the introduction of itune singles for 99 cents and u continuously dodge that fact in every single one of ur posts, it just goes to show what a fucking moron u are. thats the end of it.
You're the one ignoring my posts. I've told you repeatedly that the billboard tracks sales AND radio spins.
Fact: Still Dre only reached position 95 on the hot 100. INAD reached number 4. That means its HUGELY more successful compared to other songs. You keep talking about iTune sales, but do you see me quoting digital sales? No, the billboard position shows a song's success RELATIVE to other popular songs. Meaning Still Dre was in 93rd place behind 93 other songs. And INAD was in 4th behind 3 other songs. Only an idiot could still be denying what's right in front of you.
The people who disagree are still talking about the quality of the song and how it will never be a part of Dre's legacy. That's proof enough that your bias towards not liking the song is blinding you to fact. I guarantee you if you loved the song, you wouldn't be disagreeing.
back when "Still DRE" came out, pop radio wasnt playing hip-hop, only hip-hop stations would give rap songs spins...nowadays, rap songs can be heard on pretty much every station. so not only did single sales change in recent years, so has radio as we know it...i'm not surprised that it got more radio play, because pop stations like KISS FM play Eminem nowadays...still, in terms of overall popularity, "I Need a Doctor" is not even coming close...as far as the UK single charts, "Still DRE" peaked higher than "I Need a Doctor". In the end, "I Need a Doctor" is one of Dre's less recognizable singles to date. only an idiot wouldnt understand why and keep bringing up the chart positions, even after it has been explained to them that times have changed the name of the game.
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Reality Check, you're just a fucking idiot, man lmao. Like seriously dumb.
I'll delete my account if you can post show anyone who posted here saying "I Need A Doctor is a better song than G Thang". You're putting words in our mouth to fight your argument because you're wrong. Nobody said anything relatively close to that. It sold more, that's all. It's a fact. Cannot be argued. End of discussion.
Stevie Wonder, did you not see where I admitted it was his most successful single financially?
Since the trolls take things literally word for word, yes because "I Need a Doctor" sold 2 million+ copies & that makes it Dre's most successful single financially.
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I did. I also saw where you made this crazy inference that we all think because of the clear better sales, we think it's a better song.
Look at it like this, if I asked you, "What's the biggest hit in the history of music?". A logical person would look up the highest selling, most played single of all-time, not just pick their favorite. So why are we changing the criteria when bringing it to an individual artist?
& why are you insistant on calling anybody who sees this very reasonably understandable logic as "trolls"? We're just not personally offended by understanding Dre's worst single was his best selling, belittling his older classics.
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This topic can be a bit confusing to many. If you go by numbers, I guess you can say INAD is the best selling record Dre ever had but I can almost guarantee that in 10 years, NOBODY will give a flying fuck about the song. We are not even sure if that's even going to make DETOX. I guess it just depends on what someone would consider a hit. The industry has obviously changed with time. Itunes etc are playing a big part now a days in sales with singles. As weird as this may sound, the biggest hits to me will always be "Nothing but a G thang", "Still DRE" "Next Episode" "Fuck Wit Dre Day", all of the old school shit, regardless of sales. Those tracks are CLASSIC! There is nothing classic about INAD. If you udnerstand the industry NOW, you will understand why INAD was the best selling. His biggest hits are the classics!
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Sales might not determine what is good but they are a pretty good measuring stick of what is a hit.
So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?
That's industry talk clouding your brain.
FACT: It's a bigger hit in 2011 than Dre's other singles were in the years they were released (with the exception of G Thang). If not sales or radio spins what the fuck do you want to judge it by? Your ranking of the favorite songs from your childhood is not a measure of how popular songs were.
when u continuously choose to ignore the fact that single sales have sky-rocketed since the introduction of itune singles for 99 cents and u continuously dodge that fact in every single one of ur posts, it just goes to show what a fucking moron u are. thats the end of it.
You're the one ignoring my posts. I've told you repeatedly that the billboard tracks sales AND radio spins.
Fact: Still Dre only reached position 95 on the hot 100. INAD reached number 4. That means its HUGELY more successful compared to other songs. You keep talking about iTune sales, but do you see me quoting digital sales? No, the billboard position shows a song's success RELATIVE to other popular songs. Meaning Still Dre was in 93rd place behind 93 other songs. And INAD was in 4th behind 3 other songs. Only an idiot could still be denying what's right in front of you.
The people who disagree are still talking about the quality of the song and how it will never be a part of Dre's legacy. That's proof enough that your bias towards not liking the song is blinding you to fact. I guarantee you if you loved the song, you wouldn't be disagreeing.
back when "Still DRE" came out, pop radio wasnt playing hip-hop, only hip-hop stations would give rap songs spins...nowadays, rap songs can be heard on pretty much every station. so not only did single sales change in recent years, so has radio as we know it...i'm not surprised that it got more radio play, because pop stations like KISS FM play Eminem nowadays...still, in terms of overall popularity, "I Need a Doctor" is not even coming close...as far as the UK single charts, "Still DRE" peaked higher than "I Need a Doctor". In the end, "I Need a Doctor" is one of Dre's less recognizable singles to date. only an idiot wouldnt understand why and keep bringing up the chart positions, even after it has been explained to them that times have changed the name of the game.
This post shows why you truly are a blind idiot. Now you're just arguing for the sake of not being able to admit you were wrong. Seriously the UK charts is your evidence?
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very gay thread
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In my opinion a hit is not just defined by clear cut sales but also by its presence. Like, I don't know about the US, but I can easily have a very very active life without EVER coming across INAD now. However, back in the day the Backstreet Boys were huge in Europe, and you'd come across "Get Down" wherever the fuck you went. I can name countless other pop songs like that. See, even if you totally dislike Katie Perry, you can still name a bunch of songs of hers and if you're honest you can probably sing along some of them. Same thing with hiphop hits like Still Dre, In Da Club, Stan, Next Episode, It's like that, Ice Ice Baby, Ms Jackson, Can't touch this, I Got 5 on it, Gravel Pit... anybody (including rap-haters) still instantly recognizes the songs when they get played (and they still get played) and you couldn't have a life without coming across them when they were new. I don't even know how much they sold and I don't even care how good they are, I'm just saying they were very present and you couldn't avoid them (for better or for worse). Now, I can EASILY avoid I Need A Doctor if I want to. It's not on par with those songs at all, not even remotely close. I asked my 9 year old nephew if he has heard of it and he didn't. He can still sing along "Give Me Everything" by Pitbull & Ne-Yo and he doesn't understand a word of it. By the way, wasn't Crack A Bottle pretty big on digital sales? Anybody still playing it? No? Guessed so. By the way, being sold is not the only purpose of commercial music. Being known in the game and being talked about is a much bigger issue... I'm sure the likes of Rihanna can give a fuck less about some cash flow for a week due to digital sales when noone ever plays, talks about or checks for her shit. A huge hit is something that gets so big that even people who despise the artist and the song know the words.
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In my opinion a hit is not just defined by clear cut sales but also by its presence. Like, I don't know about the US, but I can easily have a very very active life without EVER coming across INAD now. However, back in the day the Backstreet Boys were huge in Europe, and you'd come across "Get Down" wherever the fuck you went. I can name countless other pop songs like that. See, even if you totally dislike Katie Perry, you can still name a bunch of songs of hers and if you're honest you can probably sing along some of them. Same thing with hiphop hits like Still Dre, In Da Club, Stan, Next Episode, It's like that, Ice Ice Baby, Ms Jackson, Can't touch this, I Got 5 on it, Gravel Pit... anybody (including rap-haters) still instantly recognizes the songs when they get played (and they still get played) and you couldn't have a life without coming across them when they were new. I don't even know how much they sold and I don't even care how good they are, I'm just saying they were very present and you couldn't avoid them (for better or for worse). Now, I can EASILY avoid I Need A Doctor if I want to. It's not on par with those songs at all, not even remotely close. I asked my 9 year old nephew if he has heard of it and he didn't. He can still sing along "Give Me Everything" by Pitbull & Ne-Yo and he doesn't understand a word of it. By the way, wasn't Crack A Bottle pretty big on digital sales? Anybody still playing it? No? Guessed so. By the way, being sold is not the only purpose of commercial music. Being known in the game and being talked about is a much bigger issue... I'm sure the likes of Rihanna can give a fuck less about some cash flow for a week due to digital sales when noone ever plays, talks about or checks for her shit. A huge hit is something that gets so big that even people who despise the artist and the song know the words.
Are you seriously comparing Still Dre to songs like Ice Ice Baby and Can't Touch This? Still Dre was a minor hit. The other two are pop smashes that far exceeded it. There is a huge discrepancy in the popularity of the those songs. Everyone and their mother would know Ice Ice Baby. Only rap fans during 1999 will know Still Dre. It's only popular amongst Dre's hardcore fanbase. I don't know about Europe, but INAD is a hit in the U.S. The problem is you are all looking at this from the perspective of 20 somethings who were kids when that album came out. What you think of as a hit are the most memorable songs from your childhood. Any modern songs are not going to strike to same vibe with you. Also for the record, Gravel Pit was not much of a hit here either.
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In my opinion a hit is not just defined by clear cut sales but also by its presence. Like, I don't know about the US, but I can easily have a very very active life without EVER coming across INAD now. However, back in the day the Backstreet Boys were huge in Europe, and you'd come across "Get Down" wherever the fuck you went. I can name countless other pop songs like that. See, even if you totally dislike Katie Perry, you can still name a bunch of songs of hers and if you're honest you can probably sing along some of them. Same thing with hiphop hits like Still Dre, In Da Club, Stan, Next Episode, It's like that, Ice Ice Baby, Ms Jackson, Can't touch this, I Got 5 on it, Gravel Pit... anybody (including rap-haters) still instantly recognizes the songs when they get played (and they still get played) and you couldn't have a life without coming across them when they were new. I don't even know how much they sold and I don't even care how good they are, I'm just saying they were very present and you couldn't avoid them (for better or for worse). Now, I can EASILY avoid I Need A Doctor if I want to. It's not on par with those songs at all, not even remotely close. I asked my 9 year old nephew if he has heard of it and he didn't. He can still sing along "Give Me Everything" by Pitbull & Ne-Yo and he doesn't understand a word of it. By the way, wasn't Crack A Bottle pretty big on digital sales? Anybody still playing it? No? Guessed so. By the way, being sold is not the only purpose of commercial music. Being known in the game and being talked about is a much bigger issue... I'm sure the likes of Rihanna can give a fuck less about some cash flow for a week due to digital sales when noone ever plays, talks about or checks for her shit. A huge hit is something that gets so big that even people who despise the artist and the song know the words.
these guys arguing against this are simply retarded. how can u not get it? seriously. nobody bought "still dre" or "next episode" single, cuz most of the people who loved those tracks went out and bought "2001"......"I Need a Doctor" doesn't even have an album, so if u wanna buy it, ur forced to get the single. Still, it's obviously nowhere near as a recognizable as his huge hits that made him, at one point, the biggest name in hip-hop. Mind-bogglin how some of these hoes are actually sittin here tryna claim otherwise due to digital sales, which didn't even exist when Dre was in his prime. smh, fuck u faggots.
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i need a doctor came and left :-X that shit aint playing nowhere except in some 45 year old fags ride, thats the last time i heard that track.
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NIK your credibility in this thread has been revoked. Stupid ass arguing against sales and radio spins.
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NIK your credibility in this thread has been revoked. Stupid ass arguing against sales and radio spins.
lol, speakin of credibility, when cham is the only one siding with u, u know u lost.
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NIK your credibility in this thread has been revoked. Stupid ass arguing against sales and radio spins.
lol, speakin of credibility, when cham is the only one siding with u, u know u lost.
Jimmy agrees as well. Nigga, we're talking about Dre. The golden child of this forum. OBVIOUSLY people here are going to side with you. It's just statistically, you're side is wrong.
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NIK your credibility in this thread has been revoked. Stupid ass arguing against sales and radio spins.
lol, speakin of credibility, when cham is the only one siding with u, u know u lost.
Only two people have disagreed with me. You and Jrome, who also believes Jay-Z is in the illuminati and aliens are taking over the earth. You're still going on because you can't stand being wrong. And Jrome refuses to believe anything he can claim is a conspiracy.
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So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?
On an individual chart level? Yes. It was a bigger hit. However, popularity is a tough thing to measure. Those songs you mention are from a different era and have aged significantly well in the 10-18 years they've been out. But the fact is "I Need A Doctor" is one of Dr. Dre's most succesful singles.
As I said, sales figures are manipulated by those in the industry. Sales numbers these days and have no cred. That is why you see enormous 2nd week fall off in sales.
As far as popularity goes, those songs I mentioned were 100000x more popular than INAD. You wanna talk sales? How many albums did Chronic sell? Doggystyle? 2001?
That's industry talk clouding your brain.
What industry talk exactly? We're on the same forum. Having the same discussion. I'm not on a cell phone chatting it up with Teddy Chung about points on the next Snoop record.
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No, but the way you talk parrots music industry talking points. Talking like sales are the black and white definition of someones biggest hit. Trying to convince people that INAD is Dre's biggest hit lol.
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Sales might not determine what is good but they are a pretty good measuring stick of what is a hit.
So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?
That's industry talk clouding your brain.
FACT: It's a bigger hit in 2011 than Dre's other singles were in the years they were released (with the exception of G Thang). If not sales or radio spins what the fuck do you want to judge it by? Your ranking of the favorite songs from your childhood is not a measure of how popular songs were.
INAD is not even in the same ballpark popularity wise. What do I judge it by? Are you retarded? We're on a westcoast rap board almost completely because of Dre's hits in the 90's :-X
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So you think INAD was a bigger hit and more popular than G Thang or What's My Name or Forgot About Dre?
On an individual chart level? Yes. It was a bigger hit. However, popularity is a tough thing to measure. Those songs you mention are from a different era and have aged significantly well in the 10-18 years they've been out. But the fact is "I Need A Doctor" is one of Dr. Dre's most succesful singles.
This is correct. Lasting appeal is something that occurs over time and is different than instantaneous popularity. "I Need a Doctor" just came out, so no one knows how relevant it will be to Dre's career 10 years from now. For example, "NY State of Mind" didn't have a big impact for Nas when it came out, but its lasting appeal to his fans has made it one of Nas's most memorable songs. "I Can" was Nas's most successful single, but I doubt his core fanbase thinks much of it.
INAD was out less than a year ago and nobody talks about that bullshit ass record. You don't need to wait 10 years, people will still say it is arguably the worst song dre has ever associated himself with.
I know you loved that song, but it doesn't make it his biggest hit.
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NIK your credibility in this thread has been revoked. Stupid ass arguing against sales and radio spins.
lol, speakin of credibility, when cham is the only one siding with u, u know u lost.
Only two people have disagreed with me. You and Jrome, who also believes Jay-Z is in the illuminati and aliens are taking over the earth. You're still going on because you can't stand being wrong. And Jrome refuses to believe anything he can claim is a conspiracy.
Lmao @ these pussies resorting to ad hominems (yes irony) when they can't argue. You bore me son. Go back and watch cartoons.
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one day spice-2 and cham are gunna meet up and fuck
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one day spice-2 and cham are gunna meet up and fuck my mother.
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^so u and spice-2 are guna meet up and double team ur mom? lol@bisexual incest
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Lmao @ these pussies resorting to ad hominems (yes irony) when they can't argue. You bore me son. Go back and watch cartoons.
Moron. Pointing out that you're a conspiracy theorist isn't an ad hominem when you're going on about the industry controlling people's brains. You have the worst reasoning I've ever seen in a person. Anything you don't want to believe you can simply throw off as deception by the powers that be.
I know you loved that song, but it doesn't make it his biggest hit.
lmao @ making up lies when you can't argue. I can't stand the song. And you still can't comprehend that this conversation has nothing to do with our feelings toward the song.
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Lmao @ these pussies resorting to ad hominems (yes irony) when they can't argue. You bore me son. Go back and watch cartoons.
Moron. Pointing out that you're a conspiracy theorist isn't an ad hominem when you're going on about the industry controlling people's brains. You have the worst reasoning I've ever seen in a person. Anything you don't want to believe you can simply throw off as deception by the powers that be.
I know you loved that song, but it doesn't make it his biggest hit.
lmao @ making up lies when you can't argue. I can't stand the song. And you still can't comprehend that this conversation has nothing to do with our feelings toward the song.
Show me where I ever said aliens are taking over the earth? You can't because you're full of shit. Just because you're too dumbed-down and narrow-minded to have grown up discussions doesn't mean u should get mad and make up shit.
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Lmao @ these pussies resorting to ad hominems (yes irony) when they can't argue. You bore me son. Go back and watch cartoons.
Moron. Pointing out that you're a conspiracy theorist isn't an ad hominem when you're going on about the industry controlling people's brains. You have the worst reasoning I've ever seen in a person. Anything you don't want to believe you can simply throw off as deception by the powers that be.
I know you loved that song, but it doesn't make it his biggest hit.
lmao @ making up lies when you can't argue. I can't stand the song. And you still can't comprehend that this conversation has nothing to do with our feelings toward the song.
Show me where I ever said aliens are taking over the earth? You can't because you're full of shit. Just because you're too dumbed-down and narrow-minded to have grown up discussions doesn't mean u should get mad and make up shit.
No, you are full of shit. All your crazy posts are well-documented in ToT. There's no reason for anyone here to take you seriously. Look at the links in your sig for crying out loud.
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Fuck Snoop Dogg.
Bring "Doggy Dogg" Back.
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As I said, sales figures are manipulated by those in the industry. Sales numbers these days and have no cred. That is why you see enormous 2nd week fall off in sales.
By that rationale, shouldn't they be manipulating the later weeks when the sales ACTUALLY start to slip? It just isn't a strong theory. Sales are supposed to be the strongest on the first week. That's the culmination of all the promotion and buzz. I can think of very few circumnstances were that's not the case.
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As I said, sales figures are manipulated by those in the industry. Sales numbers these days and have no cred. That is why you see enormous 2nd week fall off in sales.
By that rationale, shouldn't they be manipulating the later weeks when the sales ACTUALLY start to slip? It just isn't a strong theory. Sales are supposed to be the strongest on the first week. That's the culmination of all the promotion and buzz. I can think of very few circumnstances were that's not the case.
Then you haven't been paying attention to the charts historically. Albums used to stay on the charts for months / years until the industry changed it's model in favor of disposable music that people would get tired of after a week and be ready for their next fix. They completlely abandoned albums in favor of singles.
Also, it was very common for albums to go gold / plat very slowly over time, often take months years to happen. Whereas today, if u don't go plat with the 1st week or 2, it isn't likely to happen because nearly everything put out by the majors is built to be disposable and extremely trendy so that they can exploit it for as much as possible, then on to the next one.
It is their model that has destroyed the industry, not illegal downloads.
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Lmao @ these pussies resorting to ad hominems (yes irony) when they can't argue. You bore me son. Go back and watch cartoons.
Moron. Pointing out that you're a conspiracy theorist isn't an ad hominem when you're going on about the industry controlling people's brains. You have the worst reasoning I've ever seen in a person. Anything you don't want to believe you can simply throw off as deception by the powers that be.
I know you loved that song, but it doesn't make it his biggest hit.
lmao @ making up lies when you can't argue. I can't stand the song. And you still can't comprehend that this conversation has nothing to do with our feelings toward the song.
Show me where I ever said aliens are taking over the earth? You can't because you're full of shit. Just because you're too dumbed-down and narrow-minded to have grown up discussions doesn't mean u should get mad and make up shit.
No, you are full of shit. All your crazy posts are well-documented in ToT. There's no reason for anyone here to take you seriously. Look at the links in your sig for crying out loud.
Just like I thought, you're a liar. A liar with a jheri curl smh. I've been on this board for a while, I have plenty of credibility. You on the other hand think I need a doctor is dres biggest hit. Let's just say u really have zero place to talk about cred on here lol.
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IMO selling out means you do something you don't wanna do for the money. I don't really get that vibe from Snoop, at least not from his albums.
I mean the latest one has like Bootsy Collins, Willie Nelson, Too $hort, Devin the Dude and a bunch of LA gangsta rap feats and beats from Battlecat and Fredwreck. Sure seems more like an album Snoop would wanna make than something the label made him do to maximize sales. Even if a couple of the songs do have a bit of a dance vibe to them.
What he does outside of his albums I don't really follow that much.
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IMO selling out means you do something you don't wanna do for the money. I don't really get that vibe from Snoop, at least not from his albums.
I mean the latest one has like Bootsy Collins, Willie Nelson, Too $hort, Devin the Dude and a bunch of LA gangsta rap feats and beats from Battlecat and Fredwreck. Sure seems more like an album Snoop would wanna make than something the label made him do to maximize sales. Even if a couple of the songs do have a bit of a dance vibe to them.
What he does outside of his albums I don't really follow that much.
snoop makes albums that come out 50% for commercial audience and 50% for his real fans. the label actually encourages this, as it helps bring in both audiences. the last snoop album that didn't use this formula was "tha last meal"...after that, snoop started catering to the pop-rap audience just as much as his real fans.
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they need to change their formula, because the only commercial song that was a success is Drop it Like Is Hot . ..other than that the other commercial singles of his didnt work, and dude must not be that expensive anymore, because he is on every weird ass songs by unknown people...
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they need to change their formula, because the only commercial song that was a success is Drop it Like Is Hot . ..other than that the other commercial singles of his didnt work, and dude must not be that expensive anymore, because he is on every weird ass songs by unknown people...
huh? "Beautiful", "I Wanna Fuck You", "Sexual Eruption", and "Gangsta Luv" were all big hits.
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they need to change their formula, because the only commercial song that was a success is Drop it Like Is Hot . ..other than that the other commercial singles of his didnt work, and dude must not be that expensive anymore, because he is on every weird ass songs by unknown people...
huh? "Beautiful", "I Wanna Fuck You", "Sexual Eruption", and "Gangsta Luv" were all big hits.
when were Snoop's singles not commercial ? as far as I know Snoop has always been as commercial as it gets, not that it can't be equated with quality because it obviously was at some point.
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they need to change their formula, because the only commercial song that was a success is Drop it Like Is Hot . ..other than that the other commercial singles of his didnt work, and dude must not be that expensive anymore, because he is on every weird ass songs by unknown people...
huh? "Beautiful", "I Wanna Fuck You", "Sexual Eruption", and "Gangsta Luv" were all big hits.
when were Snoop's singles not commercial ? as far as I know Snoop has always been as commercial as it gets, not that it can't be equated with quality because it obviously was at some point.
yea, but prior to "Paid tha Cost", snoop's singles were not pop crossover tracks, they were somewhat commercial, but still fell under the real hip-hop category.
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yeah no doubt, Paid Da Cost was definitely a turning point.
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Does snoop matter anymore? And fags need to quit with the sellout shit. What the fuck do u sell music for if u ain't tryna make money? If that means makin a song wit a boy band then who gives a fuck? Get the money. Nobody stays the same way they were when they were 18 anyway. What the fuck does sellin out even mean anyway?
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Does snoop matter anymore? And fags need to quit with the sellout shit. What the fuck do u sell music for if u ain't tryna make money? If that means makin a song wit a boy band then who gives a fuck? Get the money. Nobody stays the same way they were when they were 18 anyway. What the fuck does sellin out even mean anyway?
sellin out means doin gay shit for money...if u dont get this, then go watch a blazers game, son.
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Does snoop matter anymore? And fags need to quit with the sellout shit. What the fuck do u sell music for if u ain't tryna make money? If that means makin a song wit a boy band then who gives a fuck? Get the money. Nobody stays the same way they were when they were 18 anyway. What the fuck does sellin out even mean anyway?
sellin out means doin gay shit for money...if u dont get this, then go watch a blazers game, son.
No it means they used to sell music u like ans now they sell music u don't like. Who gives a fuck. He had the sense to change with the times. It aint his fault dubcc is still waiting for a new king tee and a new jayo felony to come out. Bottom line u can't call somebody a sell out for doin what the fuck they wanna do. N speakin of gay shit, andrew bynum is a fuckin fag.
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Does snoop matter anymore? And fags need to quit with the sellout shit. What the fuck do u sell music for if u ain't tryna make money? If that means makin a song wit a boy band then who gives a fuck? Get the money. Nobody stays the same way they were when they were 18 anyway. What the fuck does sellin out even mean anyway?
sellin out means doin gay shit for money...if u dont get this, then go watch a blazers game, son.
No it means they used to sell music u like ans now they sell music u don't like. Who gives a fuck. He had the sense to change with the times. It aint his fault dubcc is still waiting for a new king tee and a new jayo felony to come out. Bottom line u can't call somebody a sell out for doin what the fuck they wanna do. N speakin of gay shit, andrew bynum is a fuckin fag.
snoop used to make music he truly felt, comin from the soul. now he makes music with homosexual boybands and u know that he thinks it's gay deep down inside...now, when someone is hustlin and tryna stay on top of shit, i can respect that, so no love lost for Snoop. but for u not to understand what it means to sell out is pretty funny. and LOL, ur star is brandon roy and u callin bynum a fag? smh..not only is he gayer than bynum, even his knees are worse :-X
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I remember back in '93 Snoop refused to do a song with Michael Jackson for his History project while Biggie and others did, so he did sell out later on ;)
if this is true...i just lost alot of respect for Snoop....strictly off of the weak ass artists he has collaborated with since...
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I remember back in '93 Snoop refused to do a song with Michael Jackson for his History project while Biggie and others did, so he did sell out later on ;)
if this is true...i just lost alot of respect for Snoop....strictly off of the weak ass artists he has collaborated with since...
I dont think it was Snoop, I Think it was Dr.Dre who rejected Mike
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Snoopy fizzle televizzle fa shizzle my nizzle inhizzle the wizzle and don't dizzle the sizzle when you sipizzle. Nizzle
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Lmao @ these pussies resorting to ad hominems (yes irony) when they can't argue. You bore me son. Go back and watch cartoons.
Moron. Pointing out that you're a conspiracy theorist isn't an ad hominem when you're going on about the industry controlling people's brains. You have the worst reasoning I've ever seen in a person. Anything you don't want to believe you can simply throw off as deception by the powers that be.
I know you loved that song, but it doesn't make it his biggest hit.
lmao @ making up lies when you can't argue. I can't stand the song. And you still can't comprehend that this conversation has nothing to do with our feelings toward the song.
Show me where I ever said aliens are taking over the earth? You can't because you're full of shit. Just because you're too dumbed-down and narrow-minded to have grown up discussions doesn't mean u should get mad and make up shit.
No, you are full of shit. All your crazy posts are well-documented in ToT. There's no reason for anyone here to take you seriously. Look at the links in your sig for crying out loud.
Just like I thought, you're a liar. A liar with a jheri curl smh. I've been on this board for a while, I have plenty of credibility. You on the other hand think I need a doctor is dres biggest hit. Let's just say u really have zero place to talk about cred on here lol.
A liar about what? Lets see, I'm pointing out the obvious using the official billboard numbers that tracks sales and radio spins. You on the other hand have nothing. That's a win for me. Your conspiracy theories don't hold weight in a real discussion.
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This forum is sad. Like I pointed out on page one, we switched "Snoop" with "Lil' Wayne", this forum would be going ape shit over how wack he is. But Snoop Dogg...oh, he gets a pass.
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This forum is sad. Like I pointed out on page one, we switched "Snoop" with "Lil' Wayne", this forum would be going ape shit over how wack he is. But Snoop Dogg...oh, he gets a pass.
Thats because he may make shit like this but he still makes music for his core fan base even if he can't sell it or get it played on MTV and radio. I can't knock the man for being about his paper...ain't nobody mainstream playing G-Funk or Gangsta Rap anymore and he sees that so he doing what he gotta do but he still make G-Shit for his fans (ya'll forget about all them free Welcome To The Chuuuch's?) the day im done with Snoop will be the day he stops making shit for his core fans and is strictly pop...
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This forum is sad. Like I pointed out on page one, we switched "Snoop" with "Lil' Wayne", this forum would be going ape shit over how wack he is. But Snoop Dogg...oh, he gets a pass.
Thats because he may make shit like this but he still makes music for his core fan base even if he can't sell it or get it played on MTV and radio. I can't knock the man for being about his paper...ain't nobody mainstream playing G-Funk or Gangsta Rap anymore and he sees that so he doing what he gotta do but he still make G-Shit for his fans (ya'll forget about all them free Welcome To The Chuuuch's?) the day im done with Snoop will be the day he stops making shit for his core fans and is strictly pop...
yes
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Yeah, agreed. He makes music for his core fans throughout his albums. But it's still awful compared to his older shit. I mean, naturally, rappers get worse the longer they've been around. So Snoop makes some Gangsta songs, but those songs are awful. Then to sell his albums Snoop makes some ridiculous pop song that's REALLY awful to help sell his album. I mean, fair enough, that's the business.
But even if you listen to Carter IV, Wayne is still rapping. He has songs like Blunt Blowin', Megaman, President Carter, It's Good, & a couple others where he is rapping. You can say what you will whether those songs are good or bad, but he's still rapping. Then, like Snoop & every other mainstream artist, he's got his ridiculous "How To Love" & other nonsense to sell it.
They both go by the same formula. Stupid popular songs that are sellout & the rest of the album is rapping how they usually would. Yet Snoop is a G, "just gettin' paper" & Wayne is another gay sellout mainstream act. Double standards.
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See thats the thing, we are comparing Snoop to Wayne, wich is kind of low...
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I remember back in '93 Snoop refused to do a song with Michael Jackson for his History project while Biggie and others did, so he did sell out later on ;)
if this is true...i just lost alot of respect for Snoop....strictly off of the weak ass artists he has collaborated with since...
He was also 18-19 years old and didn't know any better. Plus I'm sure Suge had control over guest appearances from his artists back in those days.
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Am I the only one who thought "Doggumentary" was actually one of his better albums?
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See thats the thing, we are comparing Snoop to Wayne, wich is kind of low...
To be honest & put my "Hip Hop elitist goggles on", Wayne is clearly an awful rapper & I still think it's an insult to say Snoop is even worthy of Wayne's class.
I know a lot of people have his poster on their walls, but he's complete ass.
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See thats the thing, we are comparing Snoop to Wayne, wich is kind of low...
To be honest & put my "Hip Hop elitist goggles on", Wayne is clearly an awful rapper & I still think it's an insult to say Snoop is even worthy of Wayne's class.
I know a lot of people have his poster on their walls, but he's complete ass.
Hip Hop elitist goggles must not work right because if they did they would tell you the snoop dogg is hip hop story teller like scarface,eazy-e slick rick & kool g Rap not lyrcist. also the Hip Hop elitist goggles would tell lil wwayne sucks compared to snoop dogg because snoop dogg is known as mc for story telling but you new school kids have no idea about story telling means in hip hop .
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Yeah, agreed. He makes music for his core fans throughout his albums. But it's still awful compared to his older shit. I mean, naturally, rappers get worse the longer they've been around. So Snoop makes some Gangsta songs, but those songs are awful. Then to sell his albums Snoop makes some ridiculous pop song that's REALLY awful to help sell his album. I mean, fair enough, that's the business.
But even if you listen to Carter IV, Wayne is still rapping. He has songs like Blunt Blowin', Megaman, President Carter, It's Good, & a couple others where he is rapping. You can say what you will whether those songs are good or bad, but he's still rapping. Then, like Snoop & every other mainstream artist, he's got his ridiculous "How To Love" & other nonsense to sell it.
They both go by the same formula. Stupid popular songs that are sellout & the rest of the album is rapping how they usually would. Yet Snoop is a G, "just gettin' paper" & Wayne is another gay sellout mainstream act. Double standards.
wayne is a fake blood and has completely changed his formula...and all his shit sucks nowadays. at least when u listen 2 a snoop album nowadays, ull always find a few nice cuts...wayne is just complete garbage. forget whether he's a sell out or not, his music just sucks and the dude is a fraud.
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See thats the thing, we are comparing Snoop to Wayne, wich is kind of low...
To be honest & put my "Hip Hop elitist goggles on", Wayne is clearly an awful rapper & I still think it's an insult to say Snoop is even worthy of Wayne's class.
I know a lot of people have his poster on their walls, but he's complete ass.
Hip Hop elitist goggles must not work right because if they did they would tell you the snoop dogg is hip hop story teller like scarface,eazy-e slick rick & kool g Rap not lyrcist. also the Hip Hop elitist goggles would tell lil wwayne sucks compared to snoop dogg because snoop dogg is known as mc for story telling but you new school kids have no idea about story telling means in hip hop .
http://www.youtube.com/v/Hgf6jkp8bwQ&ob=av2n
Umm, no. I think the goggles are working just fine LMAO.
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Yeah, agreed. He makes music for his core fans throughout his albums. But it's still awful compared to his older shit. I mean, naturally, rappers get worse the longer they've been around. So Snoop makes some Gangsta songs, but those songs are awful. Then to sell his albums Snoop makes some ridiculous pop song that's REALLY awful to help sell his album. I mean, fair enough, that's the business.
But even if you listen to Carter IV, Wayne is still rapping. He has songs like Blunt Blowin', Megaman, President Carter, It's Good, & a couple others where he is rapping. You can say what you will whether those songs are good or bad, but he's still rapping. Then, like Snoop & every other mainstream artist, he's got his ridiculous "How To Love" & other nonsense to sell it.
They both go by the same formula. Stupid popular songs that are sellout & the rest of the album is rapping how they usually would. Yet Snoop is a G, "just gettin' paper" & Wayne is another gay sellout mainstream act. Double standards.
wayne is a fake blood and has completely changed his formula...and all his shit sucks nowadays. at least when u listen 2 a snoop album nowadays, ull always find a few nice cuts...wayne is just complete garbage. forget whether he's a sell out or not, his music just sucks and the dude is a fraud.
Nigga, there are no excuses. It's still a sellout move to make songs like the one I posted above.It's nondebateable. I don't care if he released an entire free mixtape of the most gangsta tracks he's ever made, he's a sellout.
& being a fraud has nothing to do with being a "sellout". Rick Ross is not a real drug dealer, it doesn't make him a sellout. He still makes the same music he's made his whole career.
You're only further proving my point that Snoop gets to be on the other side of this & you have personal bias against Lil' Wayne which is why if this thread was about Lil' Wayne is would be "unquestionable" that he's a sellout.
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cuz wayne sucks ass...what dont u get?
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Does snoop matter anymore? And fags need to quit with the sellout shit. What the fuck do u sell music for if u ain't tryna make money? If that means makin a song wit a boy band then who gives a fuck? Get the money. Nobody stays the same way they were when they were 18 anyway. What the fuck does sellin out even mean anyway?
sellin out means doin gay shit for money...if u dont get this, then go watch a blazers game, son.
No it means they used to sell music u like ans now they sell music u don't like. Who gives a fuck. He had the sense to change with the times. It aint his fault dubcc is still waiting for a new king tee and a new jayo felony to come out. Bottom line u can't call somebody a sell out for doin what the fuck they wanna do. N speakin of gay shit, andrew bynum is a fuckin fag.
snoop used to make music he truly felt, comin from the soul. now he makes music with homosexual boybands and u know that he thinks it's gay deep down inside...now, when someone is hustlin and tryna stay on top of shit, i can respect that, so no love lost for Snoop. but for u not to understand what it means to sell out is pretty funny. and LOL, ur star is brandon roy and u callin bynum a fag? smh..not only is he gayer than bynum, even his knees are worse :-X
who is anybody on this forum to say snoop isnt doing shit that he wants do? and if selling out means doing shit you dont want to do for money, then anybody who has ever had a job they didnt like is a sell out too. and even though i dont wanna get into the nba shit too much at least in this section, bynum is a fag cuz hes always tryna hurt a little guy. cp3,barea etc...and b roy aint gay he jus has the knees of a 67 year old. and the star of the blazers is clearly aldridge...
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cuz wayne sucks ass...what dont u get?
Snoop is easily worse than Wayne. But that's a whole other conversation.
There is no avoiding they both use the same marketing strategies. Both are sellouts.
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A lot of people say Snoop sucks ass as well. NIK do you not understand the concept that music taste is opinion?
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A lot of people say Snoop sucks ass as well. NIK do you not understand the concept that music taste is opinion?
yea...and in ur opinion, dick is an appetizer. does that mean i cant disagree?
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A lot of people say Snoop sucks ass as well. NIK do you not understand the concept that music taste is opinion?
No. In NIK's World, whatever he believes is scientific fact.
I mean, we're talking about a kid who plays dress up & spends money to pretend he's a horrorcore rapper. You expect him to be mature enough to understand such concepts?
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^you two need to fuck and get it over with
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A lot of people say Snoop sucks ass as well. NIK do you not understand the concept that music taste is opinion?
yea...and in ur opinion, dick is an appetizer. does that mean i cant disagree?
You obviously aren't in this thread to do anything but troll. How can we take the opinion seriously of a dude who thinks Snoop made music from the soul? Snoop started out rapping about not loving hoes and fuck a bitch, how is that from the soul? He's been with his high school girlfriend his whole life. Since you're going back to your same old dick/nuts/gay shtick, I'm assuming you're giving up on this discussion.
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A lot of people say Snoop sucks ass as well. NIK do you not understand the concept that music taste is opinion?
yea...and in ur opinion, dick is an appetizer. does that mean i cant disagree?
You obviously aren't in this thread to do anything but troll. How can we take the opinion seriously of a dude who thinks Snoop made music from the soul? Snoop started out rapping about not loving hoes and fuck a bitch, how is that from the soul? He's been with his high school girlfriend his whole life. Since you're going back to your same old dick/nuts/gay shtick, I'm assuming you're giving up on this discussion.
what you just said reminded me of this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4Vmwuh-nHE realest song Snoop Dogg ever did, thats from the soul
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A lot of people say Snoop sucks ass as well. NIK do you not understand the concept that music taste is opinion?
yea...and in ur opinion, dick is an appetizer. does that mean i cant disagree?
You obviously aren't in this thread to do anything but troll. How can we take the opinion seriously of a dude who thinks Snoop made music from the soul? Snoop started out rapping about not loving hoes and fuck a bitch, how is that from the soul? He's been with his high school girlfriend his whole life. Since you're going back to your same old dick/nuts/gay shtick, I'm assuming you're giving up on this discussion.
thats what he was feelin at the time...fuck hoes, sip gin n juice, blaze bomb weed...he was in party mode, that was from his heart. if u dont think he was rappin from the soul on "doggystyle", slap yaself.
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LOL @ using words like "soul" & "Snoop Dogg" in the same sentence.
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thats what he was feelin at the time...fuck hoes
Are you dense? He was in a long-term relationship with his high school girlfriend. Who he ended up marrying a few years later. So much for that.
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thats what he was feelin at the time...fuck hoes
Are you dense? He was in a long-term relationship with his high school girlfriend. Who he ended up marrying a few years later. So much for that.
Im pretty sure, that he did lots of groupies though
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snoop went to nl because one thing...master p was the only person out of all the labels at the time..that wasnt scared to go deal with suge...
he got snoop out his deal... and changed all of snoops work.. dropped doggy dogg...the publishing ...etc...
suge thought he was finna get a dr dre eazy e deal...n he could eat off em..
suge couldnt eat off shit of snoop ...cept the stuff he had in the vault..thats why he tried to release those albums..kuz once p signed the papers n got snoop to new orleans...suge got fucked..
Not true at all. Suge ate off all snoops no li
It albums. In fact the reason snoop named his third nl album tha last meal was because it was the last album suge would eat off of. Hence the death row references in the album booklet.
As for why suge would diss no limit when he's making money, why would eazy diss dre when he was making money off the chronic? Same thing.
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thats what he was feelin at the time...fuck hoes
Are you dense? He was in a long-term relationship with his high school girlfriend. Who he ended up marrying a few years later. So much for that.
Im pretty sure, that he did lots of groupies though
the guy is an idiot...dude probably really thinks snoop has only fucked his wife since high school smh
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^If I had a nickel for everytime you tried to fight an argument with "probably", I'd have as many nickels as well...as you.
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^get spice 2's dick out ur mouth, u fuckin faggot
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^get spice 2's dick out ur mouth, u fuckin faggot
Everything you say has some sort of homosexual spin on it. You're clearly a closet faggot.
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come on, shit's obvious, u and spice-2 are lovers...quit tryna dodge the facts, we all know u 2 nancy boys have something with eachother. now get ur faggot ass dickriding out of my thread. if u make 1 more post in here, u are admitting that ur a faggot and that u find spice-2 attractive.
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if u make 1 more post in here, u are admitting that ur a faggot and that u find spice-2 attractive.
This is NIK's way of bowing out of an argument
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^there was no argument...it was just cham lickin ur nuts.
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NIK is so addicted to gay porn that now everything he sees makes him fantasize about nutlicking
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^come on, son...ur KNOWN as the resident fag around here. only dude close 2 ur level of gayness is cham.
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^come on, son...ur KNOWN as the resident fag around here. only dude close 2 ur level of gayness is cham.
In your little dream world maybe. In reality, Tanner is the resident fag and you're the lame with sexual hangups.
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Nik always turns to the gay references. His brothers homoness must rub off on him
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^come on, son...ur KNOWN as the resident fag around here. only dude close 2 ur level of gayness is cham.
In your little dream world maybe. In reality, Tanner is the resident fag and you're the lame with sexual hangups.
lol, dont make me pull up the nicki minaj thread...u are known by many as a fag...get over it.
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I find it pretty funny that me & Spice argue all the time. It just goes to show that everybody can come together & generally agree NIK is a strange wigger Jew, who doesn't really have a life.
Nik always turns to the gay references. His brothers homoness must rub off on him
Glad people are finally starting to get the idea. It's science. It can't be disputed. His brother is genetically the closest person to him on the entire planet. You have to assume they share similar genes. One is just open about his homosexuality & NIK tries to cover it up. Why do you think NIK is always killing bitches in his songs? Because he loves men.
I honestly thought his brother being exposed here was worse than his mother. It was only funnier with his mother because it made NIK literally cry & run away from this forum.
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^says the guy with the most homosexual looks on this entire forum...if ur not gay, i'm not jewish.
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^says the guy with the most homosexual looks on this entire forum...if ur not gay, i'm not jewish.
NIK, we've been through this. If I was designed by God to be the sexiest person to ever live, you'd still be saying I look gay.
"You're gay" has been your default comeback for ten years. It really lost it's touch before I was even part of this forum lol.
Still, science remains. You're a closet faggot.
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^says the guy with the most homosexual looks on this entire forum...if ur not gay, i'm not jewish.
NIK, we've been through this. If I was designed by God to be the sexiest person to ever live, you'd still be saying I look gay.
"You're gay" has been your default comeback for ten years. It really lost it's touch before I was even part of this forum lol.
Still, science remains. You're a closet faggot.
spice is gay for sayin he wouldn't fuck hot girls when he looks like a troll...ur gay for lookin like the model example of a faggot. straight up. if i saw u on the streets, there would be no way i'd think u were straight. just bein honest.
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^says the guy with the most homosexual looks on this entire forum...if ur not gay, i'm not jewish.
NIK, we've been through this. If I was designed by God to be the sexiest person to ever live, you'd still be saying I look gay.
"You're gay" has been your default comeback for ten years. It really lost it's touch before I was even part of this forum lol.
Still, science remains. You're a closet faggot.
spice is gay for sayin he wouldn't fuck hot girls when he looks like a troll...ur gay for lookin like the model example of a faggot. straight up. if i saw u on the streets, there would be no way i'd think u were straight. just bein honest.
You're just trying to change the topic because it's clear your gay. I mean, the fact you walk around the street guessing if people are gay or not is a prime example.
Face it, son. You've seen a head shot of me from five years ago. You have nothing. Your excuse for everything is "I was young". I guess I was just young too. But the facts that still remain is scientifically, you're gay.
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^come on, son...ur KNOWN as the resident fag around here. only dude close 2 ur level of gayness is cham.
In your little dream world maybe. In reality, Tanner is the resident fag and you're the lame with sexual hangups.
lol, dont make me pull up the nicki minaj thread...u are known by many as a fag...get over it.
Go ahead and pull it up. Jokes on you for thinking that hoodrat is hot. Though I admit its better than what you've been with. :-X
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spice is gay for sayin he wouldn't fuck hot girls when he looks like a troll
This is you:
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4140/img01365201106082354.jpg)
This is me:
(http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n564/rapsodiac/newcut.jpg)
Slap yourself.
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spice is gay for sayin he wouldn't fuck hot girls when he looks like a troll
This is you:
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4140/img01365201106082354.jpg)
This is me:
(http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n564/rapsodiac/newcut.jpg)
Slap yourself.
^LMAO...u look like u have down syndrome. straight up.
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^says the guy with the most homosexual looks on this entire forum...if ur not gay, i'm not jewish.
NIK, we've been through this. If I was designed by God to be the sexiest person to ever live, you'd still be saying I look gay.
"You're gay" has been your default comeback for ten years. It really lost it's touch before I was even part of this forum lol.
Still, science remains. You're a closet faggot.
spice is gay for sayin he wouldn't fuck hot girls when he looks like a troll...ur gay for lookin like the model example of a faggot. straight up. if i saw u on the streets, there would be no way i'd think u were straight. just bein honest.
You're just trying to change the topic because it's clear your gay. I mean, the fact you walk around the street guessing if people are gay or not is a prime example.
Face it, son. You've seen a head shot of me from five years ago. You have nothing. Your excuse for everything is "I was young". I guess I was just young too. But the facts that still remain is scientifically, you're gay.
yes...because u look like a faggot and i pointed it out, it makes me the gay one lmao. come on, son...it would be less retarded if ricky martin called some1 gay. u look more gay than elton john crossed with rupaul. no lie. and there has been more than 1 pic of u posted here.
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Elior you look like you suck dick every night
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spice is gay for sayin he wouldn't fuck hot girls when he looks like a troll
This is you:
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4140/img01365201106082354.jpg)
This is me:
(http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n564/rapsodiac/newcut.jpg)
Slap yourself.
^LMAO...u look like u have down syndrome. straight up.
Seriously? I post your fuckazz squinting pic and that's what you're going to say? Rule #1. Don't comment on a dude who's better looking than you.
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i was faded, fruitcake... u look like one of those carlton type dudes, crossed with a down-syndrome monkey. u shouldnt post up a picture in which u look like a complete square retard and act like ur doin urself a favor lmao.
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You look stupid commenting on someone who's better looking than you. I don't know whether to make fun of you or feel sorry for you.
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NIK is a straight loser. I feel Elano lives a better life.
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This thread is still going on? Any way this can be moved to G-Spot since it's gone off topic like that Clint Dogg one?
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You look stupid commenting on someone who's better looking than you. I don't know whether to make fun of you or feel sorry for you.
lol...like i said, u look like a retarded monkey. only in the animal kingdom would u be considered better looking than me.
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You look stupid commenting on someone who's better looking than you. I don't know whether to make fun of you or feel sorry for you.
lol...like i said, u look like a retarded monkey. only in the animal kingdom would u be considered better looking than me.
Way to be racist. This is the dude who swears up and down he has black friends?
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You look stupid commenting on someone who's better looking than you. I don't know whether to make fun of you or feel sorry for you.
lol...like i said, u look like a retarded monkey. only in the animal kingdom would u be considered better looking than me.
Way to be racist. This is the dude who swears up and down he has black friends?
Sorry I couldn't resist.
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lmao@"swear up an down he has black friends"...like u gota be special to have black friends. son, u dont even look black. u assuming that i'm sayin u look like a monkey because u mixed with black is the only racist thing in all this. i say u look like a monkey because u really do.
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^^see...that monkey's white, just like u.
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This is comedy coming from a guy who looks like you. Its like Danny Devito telling Isaiah Mustafa about his looks.
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I'm a good looking guy while you're a depressed cornball. Deal with it.
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^LOL...that meme shit wont work with my pic when i look like i can kick ur square/monkey ass, son.
and lmfao@Isaiah Mustafa...now we know who ur gay fantasy is, fagboy.
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So monkey is his new permanent name? Is that the lame comeback of choice that you plan on using in every single response? Make it clear now.
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So monkey is his new permanent name? Is that the lame comeback of choice that you plan on using in every single response? Make it clear now.
i dunno, biebs...he looks like a monkey, so thats what i decided to call him. if i feel somethin else tomorrow, thats what ill say...now stop riding his fuckin dick, cuz that shits gettin over-the-top.
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So monkey is his new permanent name? Is that the lame comeback of choice that you plan on using in every single response? Make it clear now.
i dunno, biebs...he looks like a monkey, so thats what i decided to call him. if i feel somethin else tomorrow, thats what ill say...now stop riding his fuckin dick, cuz that shits gettin over-the-top.
Well considering you dated Natalie for an extended period of time, I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow you made a move on him. Because as your brother scientifically shows us, you're gay.
& before I get the "That was three years ago (aka - that should be a valid excuse for that embaressment of a female)" response. Know the only thing you use on me is two years older than that. Like I've said a BILLION times, biggest. Hypocrite. Ever.
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So monkey is his new permanent name? Is that the lame comeback of choice that you plan on using in every single response? Make it clear now.
i dunno, biebs...he looks like a monkey, so thats what i decided to call him. if i feel somethin else tomorrow, thats what ill say...now stop riding his fuckin dick, cuz that shits gettin over-the-top.
Well considering you dated Natalie for an extended period of time, I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow you made a move on him. Because as your brother scientifically shows us, you're gay.
& before I get the "That was three years ago (aka - that should be a valid excuse for that embaressment of a female)" response. Know the only thing you use on me is two years older than that. Like I've said a BILLION times, biggest. Hypocrite. Ever.
wtf are u even ramblin on about?...u stay soundin like u got major insecurity issues. this aint a competition, son. ur gayness needs 2 stop.