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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Jome on January 21, 2003, 05:56:44 PM
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Let's do this...
Eminem - The Slim Shady LP - 4 mill.
Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP - 8 mill.
Eminem - The Eminem Show - 8 mill. (YET)
Eminem & others - 8 Mile OST - 4 mill.
= 24 mill.
(Not to mention that he has 2 multi-platinum DVDs/Videos)
((Some people might not count 8 Mile OST as a Eminem-release, so thereby you might say that he's only on 20 mill.))
Dr.Dre - The Chronic - 3 mill.
Dr.Dre - 2001 - 6 mill.
= 9 mill.
Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die - 4 mill.
Notorious B.I.G. - Life after death - 10 mill. (diamond)
Notorious B.I.G. - Born Again - 2 mill.
= 16 mill.
2Pac - 2Pacalypse Now - 500K
2Pac - Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z. - 1 mill.
2Pac - Me Against the World - 2 mill.
2Pac - All Eyez on Me - 9 mill.
2Pac - Greatest hits - 9 mill.
2Pac - Until the end of time - 3 mill.
= 24.5 mill.
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt - 1 mill.
Jay-Z - In my lifetime vol.1 - 1 mill.
Jay-Z - Hard Knock life vol.2 - 5 mill.
Jay-Z - Life/Times of S.Carter vol.3 - 3 mill.
Jay-Z - The Dynasty Roc La Familia - 2 mill.
Jay-Z - The Blueprint - 2 mill.
Jay-Z & R.Kelly - The best of both worlds - 1 mill.
Jay-Z - The Blueprint 2: Gift & Curse - 1.5 mill (yet)
= 16.5 mill.
DMX - It's dark and hell is hot - 4 mill.
DMX - Flesh of my flesh.. - 3 mill.
DMX - And then there was X - 5 mill.
DMX - The Great Depression - 1 mill.
= 13 mill.
Nelly - Country Grammar - 8 mill.
Nelly - Nellyville - 5 mill. (yet)
= 13 mill.
(Let's not forget the fact that Nelly is pop-music, and not hiphop ;) )
Ja Rule - Venni, Vetti, Vecci - 1 mill
Ja Rule - Rule 3:36 - 3 mill.
Ja Rule - Pain is love - 3 mill.
= 7 mill.
I'm only counting albums, not singles, EP's, videos, or DVD's..
If I did, 2Pac would end up on 33.5 mill, and of course Eminem more than 24 mill. too.
Seems like Eminem is closing up, and with less albums released...
Not counting 2Pac's underground-releases neither.. or the newly released "Better Dayz"..
Studying Eminems other sales, I might add that it seems to me that Eminem Show will go 9 times plat., but it seems unsure wether he will go diamond or not..
He needs to get another hit, or maybe another boost when his next album is released..
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Bone Thugs n Harmony:
Creepin on ah come up: 3.5 mil
East 1999 Eternal: 9 mil
Art Of War: 6 mil
BTNHresurresction: 2 mil
Thug World Order: Just turned 500k
= 21 million.
Not counting their compilations which did over 3 mils......
Not counting singles neither......Crossroads = 2.5 mil, 1st of da month = 1.5 mil, Dayz of Our Livez = 1 mil......
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Let's do this...
Eminem - The Slim Shady LP - 4 mill.
Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP - 8 mill.
Eminem - The Eminem Show - 8 mill. (YET)
Eminem & others - 8 Mile OST - 4 mill.
= 24 mill.
(Let's not forget the fact that Eminem is also pop-music intended for the suburb's, and not REAL hiphop ;) )
The Truth must be said...aswell
Hatesrats 2000Tre
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2Pac - 2Pacalypse Now - 500K
2Pac - Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z. - 1 mill.
2Pac - Me Against the World - 2 mill.
2Pac - All Eyez on Me - 9 mill.
2Pac - Greatest hits - 9 mill.
2Pac - Until the end of time - 3 mill.
= 24.5 mill.
2Pac - R U Still Down - 4 mill.
2Pac - The 7 Day Theory - 4 Mill.
2Pac - Still I Rise - 1 mill.
= 33.5 mill.
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Let's do this...
Eminem - The Slim Shady LP - 4 mill.
Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP - 8 mill.
Eminem - The Eminem Show - 8 mill. (YET)
Eminem & others - 8 Mile OST - 4 mill.
= 24 mill.
(Let's not forget the fact that Eminem is also pop-music intended for the suburb's, and not REAL hiphop ;) )
The Truth must be said...aswell
Hatesrats 2000Tre
butt lovin benzino lovaz
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fools always forget about bone, i swear
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Let's do this...
(Let's not forget the fact that Eminem is also pop-music intended for the suburb's, and not REAL hiphop ;) )
The Truth must be said...aswell
Hatesrats 2000Tre
lool.. I wont even bother answering..
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Bone Thugs n Harmony:
Creepin on ah come up: 3.5 mil
East 1999 Eternal: 9 mil
Art Of War: 6 mil
BTNHresurresction: 2 mil
Thug World Order: Just turned 500k
= 21 million.
Not counting their compilations which did over 3 mils......
Not counting singles neither......Crossroads = 2.5 mil, 1st of da month = 1.5 mil, Dayz of Our Livez = 1 mil......
How did you come up with that? Try:
Creepin on ah come up: 2 mill.
East 1999 Eternal: 4 mil
Art Of War: 4 mill.
BTNHresurresction: 1 mil
Thug World Order: Just turned 500k
= 11.5 million
Crossroads = 2 mill., 1st of da month = 500K
And:
2Pac = 33.5 mill.
And if you cut the doubles in half he sold 12.5 mill. copies for the 4 doubles listed. So he sold 21 mill. copies. Em already has more.
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Eminem is NOWHERE near Pac in sales.....first off all, soundtracks dont count.
Slim Shady LP - 4 million
MMLP - 8 million [almost 9]
Eminem Show - 7 million
thats about 20 million, give or take.
2Pacalypse Now - gold
Strictly 4 My Niggaz - platinum
Thug Life - gold
Me Against The World - 2 million
All Eyez On Me - Diamond
Makaveli - 4 million
R U Still Down - 5 million
Greatest Hits - 9 million [almost Diamond]
Still I Rise - platinum [almost double platinum]
Until The End Of Time - 4 million
thats about 37 million.........and that doesnt include Better Dayz, which is probably tripple platinum by now, and would put Pac at the 40 million mark.
Eminem is nowhere near Pac in sales, and never will be. Pac got that shit on lock, at least as far as rap goes.
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Oh, and here are Bone's numbers.....
Creepin On Ah Come Up - 4 million
E.1999 Eternal - 7 million
Art Of War - 5 million
BTNHresurrection - platinum
Thug World Order - about 350 k
dont believe all the numbers you see at RIAA.......alot of the numbers aint been updated in ages. All Eyez On Me is listed there as 9 million, but that shits been past 10 million for over a year now. How do I know all this?? I got a friend who works for SoundScan, and I work at a music store so I talk to reps from the labels that know this shit..........some of RIAA's numbers are fine, but alot of them arent. Remember, lables have to pay for certifications, so alot of albums dont get updated, thus the albums dont look like they've gone up, but indeed have. Alot of Pac's numbers aint updated. Im pretty sure Me Against The World has gone up since its last certification, as has 2Pacalypse Now, R U Still Down, etc etc....
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My bone numbers are from some dood named Scott from tha bone board who knows bone and brings people hella exclusives and shit......He listed tha shit once and I have em saved......
And 2 tha people who say Eminem sells 2 kids from suburbs, Who do U think 2pac sells his shit to? lmao......
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Eminem is NOWHERE near Pac in sales.....first off all, soundtracks dont count.
Slim Shady LP - 4 million
MMLP - 8 million [almost 9]
Eminem Show - 7 million
thats about 20 million, give or take.
2Pacalypse Now - gold
Strictly 4 My Niggaz - platinum
Thug Life - gold
Me Against The World - 2 million
All Eyez On Me - Diamond
Makaveli - 4 million
R U Still Down - 5 million
Greatest Hits - 9 million [almost Diamond]
Still I Rise - platinum [almost double platinum]
Until The End Of Time - 4 million
thats about 37 million.........and that doesnt include Better Dayz, which is probably tripple platinum by now, and would put Pac at the 40 million mark.
Eminem is nowhere near Pac in sales, and never will be. Pac got that shit on lock, at least as far as rap goes.
LoL, Eminem-show is 8 mill. and neither GH or AYOM is diamond.
UTEOT is not 4 mill. neither.
No need to change the numbers to make your Pac look better.. ::)
And these are the BNTH-numbers:
Creepin On Ah Come Up - 2 mill.
E.1999 Eternal - 4 mill.
Art Of War - 4 mill.
BTNHresurrection - 1 mill.
Thug World Order - below 500K
(Don't believe a "friend", especially when he's known to favor a certain artist/group.. ::) )
Bone Thugs have not sold more than these numbers, unless some of you haven't bought a few millions yourself. ::)
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Snoop Doggy Dogg
Doggystyle=8 million
Doggfather=2 million
Da Game...=2 million
Top Dogg=2 million
Tha last meal=2 million
Paid Tha Cost=500k(will hit 1 million soon)
overall=17 million sales
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It's funny how everyone posts their own Bone Numbers and think its da right one.......
DOGGY.......Tell these mofos who Scott from Bone Board is.......
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Eminem is NOWHERE near Pac in sales.....first off all, soundtracks dont count.
Slim Shady LP - 4 million
MMLP - 8 million [almost 9]
Eminem Show - 7 million
thats about 20 million, give or take.
2Pacalypse Now - gold
Strictly 4 My Niggaz - platinum
Thug Life - gold
Me Against The World - 2 million
All Eyez On Me - Diamond
Makaveli - 4 million
R U Still Down - 5 million
Greatest Hits - 9 million [almost Diamond]
Still I Rise - platinum [almost double platinum]
Until The End Of Time - 4 million
thats about 37 million.........and that doesnt include Better Dayz, which is probably tripple platinum by now, and would put Pac at the 40 million mark.
Eminem is nowhere near Pac in sales, and never will be. Pac got that shit on lock, at least as far as rap goes.
LoL, Eminem-show is 8 mill. and neither GH or AYOM is diamond.
UTEOT is not 4 mill. neither.
No need to change the numbers to make your Pac look better.. ::)
And these are the BNTH-numbers:
Creepin On Ah Come Up - 2 mill.
E.1999 Eternal - 4 mill.
Art Of War - 4 mill.
BTNHresurrection - 1 mill.
Thug World Order - below 500K
(Don't believe a "friend", especially when he's known to favor a certain artist/group.. ::) )
Bone Thugs have not sold more than these numbers, unless some of you haven't bought a few millions yourself. ::)
All Eyez On Me is Diamond, UTEOT is at 4 million [it even says 2 million shipped in the Vibe book, and after you double it, its 4 million]. Its not my opinion, its a FACT. And it has nothing to do with my friend favoring anyone, because he aint even a Tupac fan, or a rap fan period. He likes rock music. But he knows this shit.....he works for SoundScan, who is the most accurate record sales reporter in the world. And it aint just him. I work at a music store, and I talk to reps all the time who know about this shit.
Not only is All Eyez On Me diamond, but its been so for well over a year now. The only reason RIAA still has AEOM listed at 9 million is because Suge hasnt paid for its certification yet...and it still sells a shitload everyday, I wouldnt bey surprised if it was close to 11 million by now.....Greatest Hits is getting damn near close to diamond too, last I saw it was at 9.8 million. Pac will be the first rapper ever to have not one, but TWO, diamond award albums.
and its the same thing with the Bone numbers......them shits have gone up. E.1999 Eternal was at 6 million back in 96', so its easily up to 7 million by now.
In any case, Em aint close to Pac......and never will be. Not as long as Pac keeps releasing albums and selling 3-4 million every time out.
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All Eyez On Me was certified 9X platinum in 1998. It's been almost 5 years. I'm pretty sure it has sold 500,000 or a million copies since then. It's one of the most popular albums ever. I have even bought it twice since that time due to damages and theft.
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All Eyez On Me was certified 9X platinum in 1998. It's been almost 5 years. I'm pretty sure it has sold 500,000 or a million copies since then. It's one of the most popular albums ever. I have even bought it twice since that time due to damages and theft.
Yep....
The way that album still sells today is scary. Its been out for 7 years, and its STILL on the charts today [I think its total chart time to date is over 350 weeks]......there is no way that album is still only at 9 million......Greatest Hits, Makaveli, and Me Against The World still sell like hotcakes too.
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bone's number's acording to soundscan is
creepin on ah come up-2.5 shipped and 1.87 sold
e. 1999 eternal- shipped 9 and sold 6.3
art of war-shipped 3.7 (or 7.4 million ) sold 2.1 (or 4.2)
resurection-shipped roughly 2.5 million sold only 1.2
the new one shipped 700,000 hasn't sold gold yet
this is from warehouse music's alltime list that they have up at the store facts sheet, i trust an establishment with no motives on promoting a bias towards a group
then pac is 33.6 or somthing (if you count his double albums as 2 units)
eminem- jome's were right
also remember folks record company's lie about sold cd's........cd's you see on the shelf count as a 'bought' unit sometimes, in a way they're right becuase company's buy straight from distributors (for like 6 bucks mind you) THEN resale them
soundscan is a recorder of units that were resold, so i trust those figures more than some record exec at a message board
plus i don't know why people get so up in arms about sales.......a good albums is a good album whether it sales 10 billion or 10 thousand
bone might be the best selling rap group but the majority of their catelouge is trash
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Pac is easily over 10 mill with AEOM. Shit, if you read Billboard magazine every week, Pac always has like 3 or 4 albums in the top selling back catalog albums. It's crazy how that shit still sells after 6-7 years
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in my oppinion it's wrong to count double cds x2
it's still one album
and i don't say this cause I don't want pac on no.1 (I don't hate him or shit, just think he's overrated as fuck)
I don't give a fuck about sales anyway since they don't mean shit and wit all the Pac dickrydin, and putting him up (just have a look at polls like best freestyler lol) and fans that don't even know shit bout him (thinkin he was biggest G ever n shit) these numbers are worth even less.
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Anybody know info on Ice Cube sales?
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Eminem is nowhere near Pac in sales, and never will be. Pac got that shit on lock, at least as far as rap goes.
I guess you forgot to include the D12 in the comparision since you had the Thug Life album in there, plus Pac had a greatest hits album with 4 more doubles listed.
Eminem averages over 6 million copies an album and 2Pac can't touch that. When Eminem has 5 albums he'll be passed Pac who's got like 10. Unless something drastic happens, I don't see Eminem selling poorly. If you count copies and not units, Em has already pased him.
It's funny seeing the Bones thugs fans with their inflated numbers. So 1999 went 6 or 9x plat and RIAA just doesn't feel like certifying them? Or just forgot? I believe RIAA before some dude on a message board for the group's website or some guy's friend. Maybe if it was 1 mill. off it might be 5x plat. but no way 9x.
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jake how can u say the majority of bone's catalogue is trash?
btw, ice cube
ameriikkaz most wanted- platinum
death certificate- platinum
kill at will - gold
lethal injection- platinum
the predator- platinum
bow down- 2 platinum
war vol. 1- platinum
peace vol. 2- gold
bootlegs and b sides- gold
thats about 9 million right there
oh yeah EAZY E
Eazy Duz It- 2 platinum
5150 Home for the sick- gold
its on- 3 platinum
eternal e- gold
str8 off the streetz- gold
6.5 million
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According to RIAA...
Doggystyle- 4 million(In Death Row Greatest Hits CD its listed as 5 and that came out in 96)
Doggfather- 2 million
Da Game- 2 million
Top Dogg- 1 million
Last Meal- 1 million(according to Billboard article that I saw months ago it was listed as 1.97 million)
Paid Tha Cost- gold
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Eminem is nowhere near Pac in sales, and never will be. Pac got that shit on lock, at least as far as rap goes.
I guess you forgot to include the D12 in the comparision since you had the Thug Life album in there, plus Pac had a greatest hits album with 4 more doubles listed.
Eminem averages over 6 million copies an album and 2Pac can't touch that. When Eminem has 5 albums he'll be passed Pac who's got like 10. Unless something drastic happens, I don't see Eminem selling poorly. If you count copies and not units, Em has already pased him.
It's funny seeing the Bones thugs fans with their inflated numbers. So 1999 went 6 or 9x plat and RIAA just doesn't feel like certifying them? Or just forgot? I believe RIAA before some dude on a message board for the group's website or some guy's friend. Maybe if it was 1 mill. off it might be 5x plat. but no way 9x.
Again, Eminem will never catch Pac in sales. NEVER. He's fucking 17 million behind Pac. And yea, Pac has alot of double albums, but thats the way shit works. Double albums count as more, even if less people bought them. You have to remember, Em's albums are like 15 bucks each, while an album like AEOM is a 25 dollar double disc......And Em may average 6 million now, but thats only because he has 3 friggin albums. When he has more albums, his average will go down, mark my words. If you take Pac's 3 highest selling albums, and put them up against Em's 3 highest, Pac's average will be higher.
Em aint ever gonna catch him, since Pac is still releasing albums, not to mention Pac's older albums still sell like they just came out yestarday.
And yes, E.1999 Eternal has sold 7 million. Its not that the RIAA doesnt want to certify them, but if you read my other post, you will see that the label has to pay for certifications. If they dont pay, they dont get the certification, even if the album has gone up. E.1999 Eternal was passed 6 million in 96'. Ruthless Records just hasnt bothered to purchase a certification from the RIAA, thus the album hasnt been updated.
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2Pac - 2Pacalypse Now - 500K
2Pac - Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z. - 1 mill.
2Pac - Me Against the World - 2 mill.
2Pac - All Eyez on Me - 5 mill.
2Pac - The 7 Day Theory - 4 mill.
2Pac - R U Still Down - 4 mill.
2Pac - Greatest hits - 5 mill.
2Pac - Still I Rise - 1 mill.
2Pac - Until the end of time - 2 mill.
2Pac - Betta Dayz - 2 mill.
= 26.5 million copies
Eminem - Slim Shady LP - 4 mill.
Eminem - Marshal Mathers LP - 8 mill.
Eminem - The Eminem Show - 8 mill.
= 20 million copies
Eminem will have sold more copies than 2Pac in one more album and I rounded up for Pac with all his double albums for his total. (this is just copies, not units)
Maybe you don't but I think it's amazing Eminem will sell more copies of his albums than 2Pac who has more than twice as many albums. But Eminem might not catch up to him in plaques.
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why doesnt 8mile OST count?
em produced it, paid for it, its on his label ..
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cd's you see on the shelf count as a 'bought' unit sometimes, in a way they're right becuase company's buy straight from distributors (for like 6 bucks mind you) THEN resale them
Depends man......I mean Cds like pac would get sold like 7-8 a piece......
Less known artists like my label, that is just tragedy......Im not even gonna mention what Bay Side Distribution offered us......Horrible......Dats why we just doin cosignments now......If U aint got a fan base other than yur own city lol, U aint gettin nowhere too quick......
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yea rod its not worth explainin who scott is to wcc, they will just shrug it off, people here are ignorant and dont know that whatever riaa posts isnt right, bones numbers havent been updated in forever, if you hear them in songs you always hear them claimin over 30 mil sold so i think they know wassup.
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Let's do this...
Dr.Dre - The Chronic - 3 mill.
Dr.Dre - 2001 - 6 mill.
= 9 mill.
Both went 6 or 7 times platinum....
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2Pac - 2Pacalypse Now - 500K
2Pac - Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z. - 1 mill.
2Pac - Me Against the World - 2 mill.
2Pac - All Eyez on Me - 5 mill.
2Pac - The 7 Day Theory - 4 mill.
2Pac - R U Still Down - 4 mill.
2Pac - Greatest hits - 5 mill.
2Pac - Still I Rise - 1 mill.
2Pac - Until the end of time - 2 mill.
2Pac - Betta Dayz - 2 mill.
= 26.5 million copies
Eminem - Slim Shady LP - 4 mill.
Eminem - Marshal Mathers LP - 8 mill.
Eminem - The Eminem Show - 8 mill.
= 20 million copies
Eminem will have sold more copies than 2Pac in one more album and I rounded up for Pac with all his double albums for his total. (this is just copies, not units)
Maybe you don't but I think it's amazing Eminem will sell more copies of his albums than 2Pac who has more than twice as many albums. But Eminem might not catch up to him in plaques.
You have to remember also, of course more people are gonna buy Em's albums, because look at the price difference. Em's albums are between $12-$18, depending on where you go. Pac's double albums are $19-$30....All Eyez On Me is about $25 at most places. Double cd's sell less than single cd's, because they cost so much more. I think Pac selling 5 million copies of a double album is more amazing than Em selling 7 million of a single cd. Thats why double albums count as two, because its like buying two albums in one package. Em might catch Pac as far as the number of people who buy the cd's, but Pac will always reign supreme as far as certifications go. If you count his double albums as two, which you are supposed to do, he's sold about 37 million........thats PHENOMINAL, especially for a rapper. Even the Doors, Bob Marley, Jimi Hendrix didnt sell that much. Sales arent really important, its the music that counts, but it stands as a testament to Pac's legacy.
Pac, by the way, is in the Genius Book Of World Records as the best selling rapper of all time......
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give Em 2 more albums or so and he'll blow everyone out of the water
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give Em 2 more albums or so and he'll blow everyone out of the water
The only problem is, Em said he's only doing one more album......and even if he isnt, the new Pac double cd is gonna come out this fall.....and when it does, you can add on another 3-4 million to his rapidly growing catalog. Pac has this shit on lock.
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LOL @ Y'all people actin like u knew somethin.. dickrydin pac or eminem lool... Oh Pac got this shit on lock... Em Got that shit on lock... lol yall funny. 2 Pac sells like 3 millions an album now that He's dead and Eminem sells like 8 millions, so MAYBE, IF he keep on sellin 8 millions everytime, he will be the best sellin rapper ever, or else, it will be Pac..
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LOL @ Y'all people actin like u knew somethin.. dickrydin pac or eminem lool... Oh Pac got this shit on lock... Em Got that shit on lock... lol yall funny. 2 Pac sells like 3 millions an album now that He's dead and Eminem sells like 8 millions, so MAYBE, IF he keep on sellin 8 millions everytime, he will be the best sellin rapper ever, or else, it will be Pac..
If Em kept releasing albums, and Pac's catalog finally ran out, Em would have a chance to pass him up......however, it will be difficult for him to do so if Pac still keeps coming out with albums and selling 3-4 million, even if Em does sell 7 million......
I just calculated the numbers, and Em would need to make FIVE more albums that sold 7 million each in order to catch Pac, if Pac kept releasing albums that sold 3 million each. Right now, Pac sells about 4 million average, Em sells about 7 million average.......If both keep releasing albums, its gonna take Em five albums to catch Pac. And Em HAS to sell 7 million on each album. There is no guarantee he will be able to do that. He has done so the last two albums, but do you really think he can keep up that pace for five more albums?? Something tells me, NO. He is bound to go down at some point. Of course, if Pac's catalog ran out, and Em kept releasing albums that sold 7 million, he would catch him.......but theres no way of telling at this point what is gonna happen. Em said he is only gonna do one more album, and with the new Pac double cd set to come out this fall [which will sell a mininum of 3 million, possibly more], this will mean he wont catch Pac. And keep in mind, it isnt just Pac's new albums that sell. All Eyez On Me, Greatest Hits, MATW, and Makaveli still sell by the bucket loads every day...........all four of those albums are consistantly on the back catalog charts every week.
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LOL @ Y'all people actin like u knew somethin.. dickrydin pac or eminem lool... Oh Pac got this shit on lock... Em Got that shit on lock... lol yall funny. 2 Pac sells like 3 millions an album now that He's dead and Eminem sells like 8 millions, so MAYBE, IF he keep on sellin 8 millions everytime, he will be the best sellin rapper ever, or else, it will be Pac..
Word..
Reading this thread, I get more and more the feeling that Hellrazor would do a suicide-bombing into Bad Boy Recs. if it could bring Pac back from the... mmm.. dead.
One of the more extreme cases I've seen.. Hellrazor is counting 2Pac's Albums, Compilations, Singles, Videos, etc. while only counting Em's solos albums.. ::)
Now I'm not some super-Em fan, but any moron can figure that Em WILL catch 2Pac up, if Eminem releases the same amount of albums 2Pac did..
And with the step into the producer-world & Hollywood, I can't see how Em's sales will go down..
If not Hellrazor shoots him when he's about to exceed Pac's record-sales.. ::)
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BONE BONE BONE NICCAZ!!!!
BUCK BUCK!
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LOL @ Y'all people actin like u knew somethin.. dickrydin pac or eminem lool... Oh Pac got this shit on lock... Em Got that shit on lock... lol yall funny. 2 Pac sells like 3 millions an album now that He's dead and Eminem sells like 8 millions, so MAYBE, IF he keep on sellin 8 millions everytime, he will be the best sellin rapper ever, or else, it will be Pac..
Word..
Reading this thread, I get more and more the feeling that Hellrazor would do a suicide-bombing into Bad Boy Recs. if it could bring Pac back from the... mmm.. dead.
One of the more extreme cases I've seen.. Hellrazor is counting 2Pac's Albums, Compilations, Singles, Videos, etc. while only counting Em's solos albums.. ::)
Now I'm not some super-Em fan, but any moron can figure that Em WILL catch 2Pac up, if Eminem releases the same amount of albums 2Pac did..
And with the step into the producer-world & Hollywood, I can't see how Em's sales will go down..
If not Hellrazor shoots him when he's about to exceed Pac's record-sales.. ::)
Im not counting singles, compilatons or videos by Pac...just his albums....where in ANY of my posts did I mention anything about Pac's videos, singles, or compilations?? Nowhere.
If Em stays on the pace he is at, and Pac's catalouge runs out, yes, Em will catch Pac. However, do you really think Em is gonna sell 7 million everytime out forever?? It aint gonna happen. He is bound to slow down. Its inevitable. Pac was just as big as Em is now in 96', and even his average went down eventually.
And I wouldnt shoot Em, cuz #1 im not that type of person, and #2, even if I was, me killing him would only make him sell MORE, lol..........
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even if I was, me killing him would only make him sell MORE, lol..........
Now we wouldn't want that to happen now, would we.. :P
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I like how someone said count 8 Mile, then we should count Gang Related, Above the Rim, Poetic Justice and Grid'Lock
Anyways, all the double albums that 'Pac has, which only one was during his life, basically put his sales outta reach. More shit too, his next CD will more than likely be a classic, and a must have for all true 'Pac fans, all 3 or 4 million. 'Pac is the only black artist besides Michael Jackson to seel the way he does, and I don't think Em will catch him. I see no way, 7 million a album can't be kept up, and Em isn't in the studio everyday, making movies. He doesn't work nearly as hard as 'Pac. Think about it, 'Pac earned all his sales, not saying Em didn't 'cause I feel all artist worker harder than we can imagion to sell, but 'Pac worked harder than anyone that ever picked up a mic to rap. He was everywhere, and his work is still being shown. Hard to catch a man that planned his way to the top when you are just happy to be there. You know Em doesn't want to step on anyones feet.
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Damn I didn't know Eminem was that close to Pac in sales...Props to him for that...
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Good post Lost Angel, nice to see some people still got love for Pac. It's really surprising to me how much he gets dissed here.
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his next CD will more than likely be a classic, and a must have for all true 'Pac fans, all 3 or 4 million.
LoL, how the hell you know that?
Judging by some of the other releases after his death, it definately won't be a classic at all.
nice to see some people still got love for Pac. It's really surprising to me how much he gets dissed here.
Dissed??
Because everybody doesn't blow his talent & sales totally out of proportion??
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his next CD will more than likely be a classic, and a must have for all true 'Pac fans, all 3 or 4 million.
LoL, how the hell you know that?
Judging by some of the other releases after his death, it definately won't be a classic at all.
nice to see some people still got love for Pac. It's really surprising to me how much he gets dissed here.
Dissed??
Because everybody doesn't blow his talent & sales totally out of proportion??
i side with u on these jome...and um...pac has more fans on here than anything...only me and MAYBE a few others dislike pac...
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Dissed??
Because everybody doesn't blow his talent & sales totally out of proportion??
Calm down. I agree some people go a little nuts about Pac, but that just shows you what kind of an impact he made. Why do you have to insult people because they like an artist? A lot of people respect him, and there's no way you're going to change anybody's opinion of him, so if you see peeps saying they love Pac, just let it be.
And how are people blowing his sales out of proportion? he's the highest selling rapper ever, how exactly do you make that sound any better than it is?
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Eminem is Pop-music intended for the chart's.
The difference between Eminem and everyone else is his promotion and coverage.
Eminem's coverage passes any artist including the Backstreet boys & Nsync. The amount of press his lp's get fuck's any other rap lp' ever by the millions. Em get's more Mtv exposure than any other artist since 80's Michael Jackson ImO.
The reason Eminem will be the highest most sucessfull Rap singer ever is because of the relate factor with his fan's.
ImO....Eminem fan's became hardcore hip-hop when Em gave them a chance to become "Urban" in other word's, it was ok to dress hip-hop and enjoy the music now cause they had an artist who they can look like, and who looked like them.
In other word's most people who like Eminem had never bought or even considered Hip-hop their prefered music before the hip-Pop music explosion.
To those of us who Had hip-hop in their deck since we first heard it....coo.
But to those who barely picked up the box After Em......
you get the answer to why Em is the king now!!!
OnE
Hatesrats 2000Tre
FadEd Az Fuckk..!!
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P.S.
I like Eminem's music and respect him as an artist, but his Fanatics are really dumb ass-holes who belive he is untouchable, And treat Marshall like God's gift.
ImO....he's just a good Mc, nothing more nothing less. I have heard worse and I have deffinetly heard better.
So please save the diss remark's
I own all of his cd's, all of his DvD's movie spot's ect....
To me Em is just another cd in the stack.
OnE
Hatesrats 2000Tre
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from what I hear, 'Pac's new CD will be one that was suppose to be released, like when he was alive, not the other stuff when he was dead. I trust Suge on this, as Tha Row needs the sales to generate money to get his record company off the ground again, though now Suge is once again in jail.
Also, I doubt someone can continue selling 7 million an album, there is no way to keep that up. Em is also very conscience about stepping on peoples toes as I said in Hip-Hop. Breaking 2Pac's record would mos def be something talk about, and would send shock waves over the industry. The question will be asked over and over until Em goes crazy, "would he sell that if he was black?" Of course right now, his about half way there, but will need 3 more albums at his rate, but as I said, 7 million an album ain't happening forever. I think he'll settle like at about 30 million, and his salls will slow down like everyone else. I mean, Bone started off hot, Snoop Dogg, Puffy, and most other starts. Starts don't make a selling career, it's the actual career. Imagion if 'Pac had lived another few years to make more GOOD music. But right now he gots his loyal 2 million fans that buy all his shit, including me. But I also buy all of Em's, as I ain't hating, that man got serious skillz. 'Pac vs. Em for sales, we'll see when Em's sales slow down. Though 'Pac's sales now have slowed down to only double platnum for Better Dayz, which it should finish off at.
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Eminem is Pop-music intended for the chart's.
The difference between Eminem and everyone else is his promotion and coverage.
Eminem's coverage passes any artist including the Backstreet boys & Nsync. The amount of press his lp's get fuck's any other rap lp' ever by the millions. Em get's more Mtv exposure than any other artist since 80's Michael Jackson ImO.
The reason Eminem will be the highest most sucessfull Rap singer ever is because of the relate factor with his fan's.
ImO....Eminem fan's became hardcore hip-hop when Em gave them a chance to become "Urban" in other word's, it was ok to dress hip-hop and enjoy the music now cause they had an artist who they can look like, and who looked like them.
In other word's most people who like Eminem had never bought or even considered Hip-hop their prefered music before the hip-Pop music explosion.
To those of us who Had hip-hop in their deck since we first heard it....coo.
But to those who barely picked up the box After Em......
you get the answer to why Em is the king now!!!
OnE
Hatesrats 2000Tre
FadEd Az Fuckk..!!
it's right there's definatly many non(real)hiphop fans buying Em's albums..
but that's just the way shit goes, hardly any Rapper that has only real HipHop fans is going multi platinum, not Em, not Ja, not Nelly and neither Pac..
which basically means Pac also has a whole lot of girls and non hiphop fans I know this even in my own town it's like that and real HipHop's not that big over here
Many (bleezbalivit really many) Pac fans that even claim to be real hipHop fans really don't know shit about HipHop at all, they listening to Pac, Outlawz, Thug Life n some other shit
and they have money so they gonna buy anything ever released by Pac, inluding many bootlegs (lmao)
plus there's the girls that love pac who's hardly seen wearing a shirt and having alot of soft tracks like those with with Danny Boy.. they also gonna buy any official Pac release
it's like that.. u need these kids plus u need these hoes to be a real top seller
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his next CD will more than likely be a classic, and a must have for all true 'Pac fans, all 3 or 4 million.
LoL, how the hell you know that?
Judging by some of the other releases after his death, it definately won't be a classic at all.
Makaveli is an undisputed classic, and R U Still Down is a solid 4.5/5
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and R U Still Down is a solid 4.5/5
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I'd say a solid 5.5/10
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and R U Still Down is a solid 4.5/5
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I'd say a solid 5.5/10
5.5/10??
Thats a dangerously low rating for an album that has as many bangers as that album does. Its not a 5 mic classic, but its one of the more underrated albums in his catalog......4.5/5 is kinda of a biased rating because im a huge Pac head, but even if I wasnt, I wouldnt give it any less than a 4/5.......Open Fire, Hellrazor, 16 On Death Row, Hold On, Only Fear Of Death, When I Get Free, Thug Style, Do For Love, and I Wonder If Heaven Got A Ghetto are all classics......
I like it better than either the SSLP or the MMLP.
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I don't give a shit about sales in general, like i've said in another thread sales don't define the quality of an album, if they did then there would be a big change in how many times 'Pac, Em, Nelly, Jay-Z, Nas etc would go platinum, wether it be lower of higher. I think Em deserves all the sales he's gained, same goes for 'Pac, but thats because i'm fans of them, so i'm obviously biased, but instead of arguing over how close they are we should just congratulate, I mean what they have achieved throughout their careers is amazing, not many hip-hop artists will go on to achieve what they have. It's pointless making them in to rivals over sales.
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man i heard BTNHRESSURECTION 2Mil