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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on December 12, 2011, 09:52:38 PM
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This album will forever be shrouded in mystery. Pac's last studio album, and it's still as eerie as the first time I ever listened to it. Along with everything else, I was just thinking today about how most of the producers on the album just popped up out of nowhere to produce the most legendary shit ever recorded; and then were rarely seen or heard of again after that (on the music scene).
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It's not really that mysterious. They were basically unproven producers who nobody wanted to fuck with. I believe one of the Outlawz said the studio they were working in was often referred to as "The Wack Room" since nothing hot was coming out of there. My guess is Pac being the workaholic he is decided to give these guys a break since all the other Death Row guys were likely battling to get beats from the other more established guys.
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it wasnt pac dat decided put these producers on it was sugeeeee
tracks were all picked by suge
not pac
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Suge might have selected which finished tracks went on the album but Pac went into the studio to fetch the producers to make them. Or at least, that's how the story was told in XXL.
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This Pac stories are like Chuck Norris jokes
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This Pac stories are like Chuck Norris jokes
+1
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This album will forever be shrouded in mystery. Pac's last studio album, and it's still as eerie as the first time I ever listened to it. Along with everything else, I was just thinking today about how most of the producers on the album just popped up out of nowhere to produce the most legendary shit ever recorded; and then were rarely seen or heard of again after that (on the music scene).
you can't be serious...
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This album will forever be shrouded in mystery. Pac's last studio album, and it's still as eerie as the first time I ever listened to it. Along with everything else, I was just thinking today about how most of the producers on the album just popped up out of nowhere to produce the most legendary shit ever recorded; and then were rarely seen or heard of again after that (on the music scene).
you can't be serious...
hesīserious because that how it is. tell me some tracks that produced hurt-m-badd or darry big d harper, they disappeared. same with demetrius shipp, but now we know he produced majority of jewellīs tracks on that "new album".and yes the room was "wack room", "blasphemy" beat was given to snoop doggy dogg but he couldnīt fuck it but 2pac made a classic record off it. know what i mean?
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best album ever... 8)
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This album will forever be shrouded in mystery. Pac's last studio album, and it's still as eerie as the first time I ever listened to it. Along with everything else, I was just thinking today about how most of the producers on the album just popped up out of nowhere to produce the most legendary shit ever recorded; and then were rarely seen or heard of again after that (on the music scene).
you can't be serious...
hesīserious because that how it is. tell me some tracks that produced hurt-m-badd or darry big d harper, they disappeared. same with demetrius shipp, but now we know he produced majority of jewellīs tracks on that "new album".and yes the room was "wack room", "blasphemy" beat was given to snoop doggy dogg but he couldnīt fuck it but 2pac made a classic record off it. know what i mean?
i was referring to 'the most legendary shit ever recorded'
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Move the fuck on.
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Move the fuck on.
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Move the fuck on.
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This album will forever be shrouded in mystery. Pac's last studio album, and it's still as eerie as the first time I ever listened to it. Along with everything else, I was just thinking today about how most of the producers on the album just popped up out of nowhere to produce the most legendary shit ever recorded; and then were rarely seen or heard of again after that (on the music scene).
you can't be serious...
hesīserious because that how it is. tell me some tracks that produced hurt-m-badd or darry big d harper, they disappeared. same with demetrius shipp, but now we know he produced majority of jewellīs tracks on that "new album".and yes the room was "wack room", "blasphemy" beat was given to snoop doggy dogg but he couldnīt fuck it but 2pac made a classic record off it. know what i mean?
i was referring to 'the most legendary shit ever recorded'
even worse..because it is a masterpiece.
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Ok they did not come out of no where. Shipp and hurt m badd had good beats out before 7 day theory. Granted idk where big d came from. Pac had previously worked with hurt m bad during the all eyes on me sessions (sang the hook on play your cards right). Also Pac acted as the executive producer on his own album. He coached those guys and helped create some great musical ideas.
Also lt hutton did watch ya mouth, he was more of an established death row producer....
But... Really, look at the final track list. Tommy d is credited with additional production everywhere. Compare the Retail version to the demo. The retail is so much more polished and dare I say tommy d really helped flesh out some of the musical ideas and concepts - I.e. white Manz world and Krazy.....
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This album will forever be shrouded in mystery. Pac's last studio album, and it's still as eerie as the first time I ever listened to it. Along with everything else, I was just thinking today about how most of the producers on the album just popped up out of nowhere to produce the most legendary shit ever recorded; and then were rarely seen or heard of again after that (on the music scene).
you can't be serious...
hesīserious because that how it is. tell me some tracks that produced hurt-m-badd or darry big d harper, they disappeared. same with demetrius shipp, but now we know he produced majority of jewellīs tracks on that "new album".and yes the room was "wack room", "blasphemy" beat was given to snoop doggy dogg but he couldnīt fuck it but 2pac made a classic record off it. know what i mean?
i was referring to 'the most legendary shit ever recorded'
even worse..because it is a masterpiece.
it may be a rap masterpiece but not the most legendary shit ever recorded. have you guys ever listened to anything else than rap music?
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well at the time yeah, I can't say I really heard of these producers in 1996
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they were sent from heaven
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This album will forever be shrouded in mystery. Pac's last studio album, and it's still as eerie as the first time I ever listened to it. Along with everything else, I was just thinking today about how most of the producers on the album just popped up out of nowhere to produce the most legendary shit ever recorded; and then were rarely seen or heard of again after that (on the music scene).
you can't be serious...
hesīserious because that how it is. tell me some tracks that produced hurt-m-badd or darry big d harper, they disappeared. same with demetrius shipp, but now we know he produced majority of jewellīs tracks on that "new album".and yes the room was "wack room", "blasphemy" beat was given to snoop doggy dogg but he couldnīt fuck it but 2pac made a classic record off it. know what i mean?
i was referring to 'the most legendary shit ever recorded'
even worse..because it is a masterpiece.
it may be a rap masterpiece but not the most legendary shit ever recorded. have you guys ever listened to anything else than rap music?
yes my friend, i personally have: beatles, led zeppelin, bob marley, jimi hendrix, the eagles, sade, barry white,etc. i see your point ;)
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Those 12 tracks shyt on the entire double album of All Eyez on Me
That's an album which has Snoop, Dre, Nate Dogg, Method Man, Kurupt etc... The Makaveli album took days, with a bunch of unknown producers. End of the day, 2Pac was a vocalist rapper spitting fierce. The beats could have been from anybody and they'd still buy his albums. He had a stronger support than most, who bought the albums for his words, than for the beats. The Makaveli album is evidence of that
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Makelivi is a masterpiece....it's up there with the greatest albums ever, dunno how that's in question on a west coast rap board ???
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Move the fuck on.
if u asking people to move on to the gay hip hop shyt comin out these dayz, i rather stay stuck in the past ;) u can be gay all day long wit lil wayne & justin ;)
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Move the fuck on.
if u asking people to move on to the gay hip hop shyt comin out these dayz, i rather stay stuck in the past ;) u can be gay all day long wit lil wayne & justin ;)
There is more to hip-hop then the mainstream. Take your head out of the sand.
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Move the fuck on.
if u asking people to move on to the gay hip hop shyt comin out these dayz, i rather stay stuck in the past ;) u can be gay all day long wit lil wayne & justin ;)
There is more to hip-hop then the mainstream. Take your head out of the sand.
a few promising artist yes but none of em are in the same level, maybe crooked & a few more are close but thats all... ;)
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all eyez... >>>>> makaveli.
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It's not really that mysterious. They were basically unproven producers who nobody wanted to fuck with. I believe one of the Outlawz said the studio they were working in was often referred to as "The Wack Room" since nothing hot was coming out of there. My guess is Pac being the workaholic he is decided to give these guys a break since all the other Death Row guys were likely battling to get beats from the other more established guys.
Pretty much sums it up. I think it was more Pac wanting some beats rather than him giving these "unknown" producers the chance of a lifetime. It was after Pac started working with them that the other artists on the label complained to Suge because Pac was with them all the time recording.
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People act like the beats were some classic shit by themselves but think about what Pac did to them.
Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHrqTdJEEUs
If I were a rapper and I heard this instrumental I would've said this shit is wack and sounds like an amateur made it. Pac took it to the next level and made it classic. Try listening to the instrumentals of the other beats, most of them aren't that impressive on their own.
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People act like the beats were some classic shit by themselves but think about what Pac did to them.
Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHrqTdJEEUs
If I were a rapper and I heard this instrumental I would've said this shit is wack and sounds like an amateur made it. Pac took it to the next level and made it classic. Try listening to the instrumentals of the other beats, most of them aren't that impressive on their own.
u must have a horrible ear... i would love if a producer came at me with a beat like that.
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People act like the beats were some classic shit by themselves but think about what Pac did to them.
Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHrqTdJEEUs
If I were a rapper and I heard this instrumental I would've said this shit is wack and sounds like an amateur made it. Pac took it to the next level and made it classic. Try listening to the instrumentals of the other beats, most of them aren't that impressive on their own.
u must have a horrible ear... i would love if a producer came at me with a beat like that.
Don't even trip. You wouldn't have known what the fuck to do with a beat like that. It's easy to say after the fact of hearing Pac work his magic that you could have done the same thing, but you're lying to yourself.
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People act like the beats were some classic shit by themselves but think about what Pac did to them.
Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHrqTdJEEUs
If I were a rapper and I heard this instrumental I would've said this shit is wack and sounds like an amateur made it. Pac took it to the next level and made it classic. Try listening to the instrumentals of the other beats, most of them aren't that impressive on their own.
u must have a horrible ear... i would love if a producer came at me with a beat like that.
Don't even trip. You wouldn't have known what the fuck to do with a beat like that. It's easy to say after the fact of hearing Pac work his magic that you could have done the same thing, but you're lying to yourself.
not sayin i woulda pulled a tupac, but ill work any beat...especially a vicious one like "hail mary"
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People act like the beats were some classic shit by themselves but think about what Pac did to them.
Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHrqTdJEEUs
If I were a rapper and I heard this instrumental I would've said this shit is wack and sounds like an amateur made it. Pac took it to the next level and made it classic. Try listening to the instrumentals of the other beats, most of them aren't that impressive on their own.
u must have a horrible ear... i would love if a producer came at me with a beat like that.
Don't even trip. You wouldn't have known what the fuck to do with a beat like that. It's easy to say after the fact of hearing Pac work his magic that you could have done the same thing, but you're lying to yourself.
not sayin i woulda pulled a tupac, but ill work any beat...especially a vicious one like "hail mary"
It ain't a vicious beat til you hear Pac spitting over it. Before that it sounds on some amateur fruity loops shit
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People act like the beats were some classic shit by themselves but think about what Pac did to them.
Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHrqTdJEEUs
If I were a rapper and I heard this instrumental I would've said this shit is wack and sounds like an amateur made it. Pac took it to the next level and made it classic. Try listening to the instrumentals of the other beats, most of them aren't that impressive on their own.
u must have a horrible ear... i would love if a producer came at me with a beat like that.
Don't even trip. You wouldn't have known what the fuck to do with a beat like that. It's easy to say after the fact of hearing Pac work his magic that you could have done the same thing, but you're lying to yourself.
not sayin i woulda pulled a tupac, but ill work any beat...especially a vicious one like "hail mary"
It ain't a vicious beat til you hear Pac spitting over it. Before that it sounds on some amateur fruity loops shit
simple n dark...thats how i like em. some of the most classic tracks ever are on simple ass beats that sound fruity loops, but still knock.
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Demetrius Shipp had been around for years...he produced for Bobby Brown and Troop, he was on the Juice soundtrack......i even think he was in Troop at one point...
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people will say anything to make 2pac more "mysterious"
7 day theory is great though and im not a particularly big 2pac fan.
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Demetrius Shipp had been around for years...he produced for Bobby Brown and Troop, he was on the Juice soundtrack......i even think he was in Troop at one point...
that's what i wanted to say lol. yeah he was in Troop for their A Lil Sumpin Sumpin album (good album)
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One of my favourite instrumentals of all time is:
Just Lyke Daddy
The beat is incredible. Great use of the guitar on that. Doesn't sound like your every day generic rap beat, and is unique. No looped trash, Very under-rated. Another good one is Krazy. Kind of agree with Hail mary. I have never seen the facination with this song among 2Pac fans??? It's a good song, but over-rated IMO
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One of my favourite instrumentals of all time is:
Just Lyke Daddy
The beat is incredible. Great use of the guitar on that. Doesn't sound like your every day generic rap beat, and is unique. No looped trash, Very under-rated. Another good one is Krazy. Kind of agree with Hail mary. I have never seen the facination with this song among 2Pac fans??? It's a good song, but over-rated IMO
Among 2pac fans? Even people that barely like him love that song. People that barely like rap love that song.
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people will say anything to make 2pac more "mysterious"
7 day theory is great though and im not a particularly big 2pac fan.
i agree
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One of my favourite instrumentals of all time is:
Just Lyke Daddy
The beat is incredible. Great use of the guitar on that. Doesn't sound like your every day generic rap beat, and is unique. No looped trash, Very under-rated. Another good one is Krazy. Kind of agree with Hail mary. I have never seen the facination with this song among 2Pac fans??? It's a good song, but over-rated IMO
Among 2pac fans? Even people that barely like him love that song. People that barely like rap love that song.
To me it's on that same appreciation level as "Temptations", and how it got as far as that did to being considered as a single, and getting the praise that it did. I like it don't get me wrong, just feel that it isn't on the level that it's pumped up (by fans and critics) to be (like Temptations)
I wonder if it has anything to do with the way 2Pac is trying to moan out and sing in the hooks of both songs???
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It's not really that mysterious. They were basically unproven producers who nobody wanted to fuck with. I believe one of the Outlawz said the studio they were working in was often referred to as "The Wack Room" since nothing hot was coming out of there. My guess is Pac being the workaholic he is decided to give these guys a break since all the other Death Row guys were likely battling to get beats from the other more established guys.
Pretty much sums it up. I think it was more Pac wanting some beats rather than him giving these "unknown" producers the chance of a lifetime. It was after Pac started working with them that the other artists on the label complained to Suge because Pac was with them all the time recording.
Well it also has to do with the fact that Makaveli was never intended to be a major commercial release but instead a street album 'to be sold a flee markets'. He wanted it to sound as raw and unpolished as possible.
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Interscope would have never allowed that though despite it being an intention of 2Pac's
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I hated "Just Like Daddy". That was the only song I've always skipped when I play that album.
There's nothing FruityLoops about the production on "The 7 Day Theory". Thats something people say who still think Waka doesn't rap about real life would say. Even "Just Like Daddy" is quality.
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One of my favourite instrumentals of all time is:
Just Lyke Daddy
The beat is incredible. Great use of the guitar on that. Doesn't sound like your every day generic rap beat, and is unique. No looped trash, Very under-rated. Another good one is Krazy. Kind of agree with Hail mary. I have never seen the facination with this song among 2Pac fans??? It's a good song, but over-rated IMO
gotta agree with you. just like daddy and krazy were my two favorites. just like daddys beat is just amazing i bump it mostly for that. i was trying to find out if it sampled something.
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IMO they shoulda put that one on a Soundtrack or whatever and replaced it with "Street Life" and took off Prince Ital Joe and added an electric guitar melody in it to compliment the song and instrumental on the chorus. I always thought that Joe took away from the song, even tha shot out is pointless.
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One of my favourite instrumentals of all time is:
Just Lyke Daddy
The beat is incredible. Great use of the guitar on that. Doesn't sound like your every day generic rap beat, and is unique. No looped trash, Very under-rated. Another good one is Krazy. Kind of agree with Hail mary. I have never seen the facination with this song among 2Pac fans??? It's a good song, but over-rated IMO
it's just catchy as fuck....nothin reall surprisin bout that.
Among 2pac fans? Even people that barely like him love that song. People that barely like rap love that song.
To me it's on that same appreciation level as "Temptations", and how it got as far as that did to being considered as a single, and getting the praise that it did. I like it don't get me wrong, just feel that it isn't on the level that it's pumped up (by fans and critics) to be (like Temptations)
I wonder if it has anything to do with the way 2Pac is trying to moan out and sing in the hooks of both songs???
it's just catchy as fuck....nothin reall surprisin bout that.
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Probably my favorite Pac album. But yet, Brian has to be THAT nigga who tries to make connections out of nowhere.
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Probably my favorite Pac album. But yet, Brian has to be THAT nigga who tries to make connections out of nowhere.
lmao but werd this and me against the world are the pac albums where you dont gotta skip one song
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People act like the beats were some classic shit by themselves but think about what Pac did to them.
Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHrqTdJEEUs
If I were a rapper and I heard this instrumental I would've said this shit is wack and sounds like an amateur made it. Pac took it to the next level and made it classic. Try listening to the instrumentals of the other beats, most of them aren't that impressive on their own.
u must have a horrible ear... i would love if a producer came at me with a beat like that.
Have to agree, that beat is nice, especially in those days.
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People act like the beats were some classic shit by themselves but think about what Pac did to them.
Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHrqTdJEEUs
If I were a rapper and I heard this instrumental I would've said this shit is wack and sounds like an amateur made it. Pac took it to the next level and made it classic. Try listening to the instrumentals of the other beats, most of them aren't that impressive on their own.
u must have a horrible ear... i would love if a producer came at me with a beat like that.
Don't even trip. You wouldn't have known what the fuck to do with a beat like that. It's easy to say after the fact of hearing Pac work his magic that you could have done the same thing, but you're lying to yourself.
not sayin i woulda pulled a tupac, but ill work any beat...especially a vicious one like "hail mary"
It ain't a vicious beat til you hear Pac spitting over it. Before that it sounds on some amateur fruity loops shit
shut the fuck up already you deaf than a muthafucka dude.shut the fuck up and stop smoking criack
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J. Cole's take on TDK, "top-notch production": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qhawLRK9H0
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People act like the beats were some classic shit by themselves but think about what Pac did to them.
Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHrqTdJEEUs
If I were a rapper and I heard this instrumental I would've said this shit is wack and sounds like an amateur made it. Pac took it to the next level and made it classic. Try listening to the instrumentals of the other beats, most of them aren't that impressive on their own.
u must have a horrible ear... i would love if a producer came at me with a beat like that.
Don't even trip. You wouldn't have known what the fuck to do with a beat like that. It's easy to say after the fact of hearing Pac work his magic that you could have done the same thing, but you're lying to yourself.
not sayin i woulda pulled a tupac, but ill work any beat...especially a vicious one like "hail mary"
It ain't a vicious beat til you hear Pac spitting over it. Before that it sounds on some amateur fruity loops shit
shut the fuck up already you deaf than a muthafucka dude.shut the fuck up and stop smoking criack
Grow a pair of ears. Pretend like you haven't heard Pac spitting over it.
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Well it also has to do with the fact that Makaveli was never intended to be a major commercial release but instead a street album 'to be sold a flee markets'. He wanted it to sound as raw and unpolished as possible.
That's true, but obviously the direction of the album changed, considering the variations of the tracklists that we've seen compared to each other and the final retail version (as it has a song like Toss It Up that wasn't from the same sessions at all but was thrown in there to get a radio single since Death Row wanted it to be a big album). About it being raw and unpolished, that's one assumption that was rumored, but some people also said that the album was never really mixed and mastered the way it was supposed to be. You can tell by comparing the songs on the album itself (prior to the DualDisc release) to the CD singles (i.e., Hail Mary, Toss It Up, To Live & Die in L.A.), which have the songs mixed and mastered to a much better degree.
Interscope would have never allowed that though despite it being an intention of 2Pac's
...but it ended up being released that way though.
I hated "Just Like Daddy". That was the only song I've always skipped when I play that album.
Yeah, it's odd... I go back and forth with it, sometimes liking it and sometimes hating it. But it was technically an Outlawz song intended for their album or something like that.
just like daddys beat is just amazing i bump it mostly for that. i was trying to find out if it sampled something.
It samples "Impeach the President" by The Honey Drippers. That song "I Can" by Nas also samples it too (specifically the drumbeat), so does "Total Kaos" by EPMD and some others I can't think of at the moment.
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Well it also has to do with the fact that Makaveli was never intended to be a major commercial release but instead a street album 'to be sold a flee markets'. He wanted it to sound as raw and unpolished as possible.
That's true, but obviously the direction of the album changed, considering the variations of the tracklists that we've seen compared to each other and the final retail version (as it has a song like Toss It Up that wasn't from the same sessions at all but was thrown in there to get a radio single since Death Row wanted it to be a big album). About it being raw and unpolished, that's one assumption that was rumored, but some people also said that the album was never really mixed and mastered the way it was supposed to be. You can tell by comparing the songs on the album itself (prior to the DualDisc release) to the CD singles (i.e., Hail Mary, Toss It Up, To Live & Die in L.A.), which have the songs mixed and mastered to a much better degree.
Interscope would have never allowed that though despite it being an intention of 2Pac's
...but it ended up being released that way though.
I hated "Just Like Daddy". That was the only song I've always skipped when I play that album.
Yeah, it's odd... I go back and forth with it, sometimes liking it and sometimes hating it. But it was technically an Outlawz song intended for their album or something like that.
just like daddys beat is just amazing i bump it mostly for that. i was trying to find out if it sampled something.
It samples "Impeach the President" by The Honey Drippers. That song "I Can" by Nas also samples it too (specifically the drumbeat), so does "Total Kaos" by EPMD and some others I can't think of at the moment.
+1 on the EPMD
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It's not really that mysterious. They were basically unproven producers who nobody wanted to fuck with. I believe one of the Outlawz said the studio they were working in was often referred to as "The Wack Room" since nothing hot was coming out of there. My guess is Pac being the workaholic he is decided to give these guys a break since all the other Death Row guys were likely battling to get beats from the other more established guys.
For some wack producers they put out nice beats that made that album. They also said Suge put the album out before it was even properly mastered. These guys deserved more credit and maybe some have advanced. A few of the producers were on some documentary's talking about how it was in the studio, etc. Some white dudes. They said Pac wanted more beef songs and it was smart they cut them out. Pac was saying leave them, take them off, leave them, etc. I think a few of the songs leaked (Watch Your Mouth, etc). I'm glad it was the way it is, because those songs will remain classics to me forever.
The Pac beef side was cool for a few listens, but those songs fade after awhile (aside from Hit Em Up).
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but those songs fade after awhile (aside from Hit Em Up).
even Hit Em Up has faded for me. can't really listen to the track anymore. it's embarrassing. not a clever diss song with witty lines or anything. and even musically never thought it was that good to sample blatantly Dennis Edwards. but i guess it was really efficient when it came out.
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For some wack producers they put out nice beats that made that album. They also said Suge put the album out before it was even properly mastered. These guys deserved more credit and maybe some have advanced. A few of the producers were on some documentary's talking about how it was in the studio, etc. Some white dudes. They said Pac wanted more beef songs and it was smart they cut them out. Pac was saying leave them, take them off, leave them, etc. I think a few of the songs leaked (Watch Your Mouth, etc). I'm glad it was the way it is, because those songs will remain classics to me forever.
I believe you're talking about the Tupac Hip-Hop Genius DVD where it has one of the studio engineers talking about it. Basically he talked about Pac having recorded a song (which is assumed to be the unleaked track "The World Is Mine") where Nas gets dissed, then the studio engineer just happened to mention that he thought it was dumb for him to have talked about Nas so much, then Pac later agreed and re-recorded the track, which became Friends. From his recollection, he said that Suge had greenlit a "diss album" though it evolved into the Makaveli album, which leads me to believe that the very first songs recorded may have just been the diss songs we know about (which presumably include Against All Odds, Watch Ya Mouth, etc.).
The Pac beef side was cool for a few listens, but those songs fade after awhile (aside from Hit Em Up).
I actually still play Against All Odds a lot.
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but those songs fade after awhile (aside from Hit Em Up).
even Hit Em Up has faded for me. can't really listen to the track anymore. it's embarrassing. not a clever diss song with witty lines or anything. and even musically never thought it was that good to sample blatantly Dennis Edwards. but i guess it was really efficient when it came out.
Agree
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i know hurt-m-badd is still here, not doin much but we hear from him, interviews, statements, etc. demetrius "meech" shipp made comments on "black diamond" jewell on youtube BUT WHERE THE HELL IS DARRYL "BIG D" HARPER?
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Suge might have selected which finished tracks went on the album but Pac went into the studio to fetch the producers to make them. Or at least, that's how the story was told in XXL.
Damn you guys are trippin if you actually think Suge picked songs for albums. The only thing Suge would do is sometimes songs like "California Love" Suge might suggest to Dre that they use it for Pac's album. But real music people were doing the sequencing of albums. Like up until Pac came along it was mostly Dre doing the sequencing, then Pac sequenced All Eyez On Me, and Pac was alive long enough to sequence 7 Day Theory himself as well.
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yes my friend, i personally have: beatles, led zeppelin, bob marley, jimi hendrix, the eagles, sade, barry white,etc. i see your point ;)
LOL.. that shit is trash compared to 2pac. The only reason you say that is because those albums gained acceptance from the mainstream white critics. While Pac on the other hand spoke for the disenfranchised.
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those guys changed the epitome n personification of music
Tupac Shakur was a rapper that rhymed "hennessey" wit "enemies", and spat on camera-crews
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but those songs fade after awhile (aside from Hit Em Up).
even Hit Em Up has faded for me. can't really listen to the track anymore. it's embarrassing. not a clever diss song with witty lines or anything. and even musically never thought it was that good to sample blatantly Dennis Edwards. but i guess it was really efficient when it came out.
Dam thanks for the sample credit. I checked Dennis Edwards on youtube and DAM that is a wack fuckin song. I don't know how they saw that gangster shit from it, that's amazing lol :o
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yes my friend, i personally have: beatles, led zeppelin, bob marley, jimi hendrix, the eagles, sade, barry white,etc. i see your point ;)
LOL.. that shit is trash compared to 2pac. The only reason you say that is because those albums gained acceptance from the mainstream white critics. While Pac on the other hand spoke for the disenfranchised.
Lol Infinite are you delusional, or just live in a bubble? Those artists are known worldwide and have gained acceptance, in different cultures, for a reason. You can't just pull one over on the entire globe son. I don't think I would of even said that when I was 16.
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^u dont think 2pac is known worldwide and gained acceptance from different cultures? LOL. to act like 2Pac isn't an icon in music history is dumber than anything Infinite can ever say.
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[It samples "Impeach the President" by The Honey Drippers. That song "I Can" by Nas also samples it too (specifically the drumbeat), so does "Total Kaos" by EPMD and some others I can't think of at the moment.
i cant recognize the sample at all. is it just the breakbeat?
sade>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2pac
half of bob marleys music is speaking for the disenfranchised and he didnt contradict his positive messages on a regular basis (i get around, every gangsta song) . and 2pac got good reviews from mainstream white critics too OMG jump ship. your whole argument makes no sense. i dont listen to rock but im pretty sure early rock wasnt accepted either at the time of its release. the eagles and led zepplin are trash to me compared to 2pac but im not going to make up some big bullshit explanation of why. its fuckin music.
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The only reason you say that is because those albums gained acceptance from the mainstream white critics. While Pac on the other hand spoke for the disenfranchised.
First off, those are "artists" being named, not "albums". And secondly, you don't think the same can be said of Pac? He wasn't signed to Interscope his whole career? He wasn't prominently featured on MTV? If anything I'd say he got far more of a pass from his white critics, than he did the black ones. A lot of black journalists and authors like Michael Eric Dyson, Danyel Smith, and Armond White while recognizing his social and culture impact, also critiqued his shortcomings as an artist and brought to light some of his contradictions. Instead of playing into this ideal that he was like a thugged-out mix of Martin Luther King and Mother Teresa who never made anything but classic music. Tupac was unquestionably, one of a kind in the hip-hop landscape and he was in my opinion, the greatest writer when it came to emotional depth that hip-hop has ever seen. I'd say he was to rap what Marvin Gaye was to R&B soul. That being said, he is neck and neck with Eminem for absurdly irrational Stan-bases. I actually think both are two of the greatest artists to ever do it but according to some of their fans, music didn't exist before they came along and they are these amazing pioneers of the genre. What's funny is when they came out, the generation before them was looking at them the same way, we all look at Lil' Wayne.
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The only reason you say that is because those albums gained acceptance from the mainstream white critics. While Pac on the other hand spoke for the disenfranchised.
First off, those are "artists" being named, not "albums". And secondly, you don't think the same can be said of Pac? He wasn't signed to Interscope his whole career? He wasn't prominently featured on MTV? If anything I'd say he got far more of a pass from his white critics, than he did the black ones. A lot of black journalists and authors like Michael Eric Dyson, Danyel Smith, and Armond White while recognizing his social and culture impact, also critiqued his shortcomings as an artist and brought to light some of his contradictions. Instead of playing into this ideal that he was like a thugged-out mix of Martin Luther King and Mother Teresa who never made anything but classic music. Tupac was unquestionably, one of a kind in the hip-hop landscape and he was in my opinion, the greatest writer when it came to emotional depth that hip-hop has ever seen. I'd say he was to rap what Marvin Gaye was to R&B soul. That being said, he is neck and neck with Eminem for absurdly irrational Stan-bases. I actually think both are two of the greatest artists to ever do it but according to some of their fans, music didn't exist before they came along and they are these amazing pioneers of the genre. What's funny is when they came out, the generation before them was looking at them the same way, we all look at Lil' Wayne.
i feel u, James
thats because he pronounced the "e"-syllables wit "EEEEEEEE!!!" in "Hennessey", "weed" and "enemies"
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I detect a little sarcasm there, Madsen.
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;)
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probaly they are all really dead people and so was pac and this album was really recorded when 2pac died in the afterlife
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^u dont think 2pac is known worldwide and gained acceptance from different cultures? LOL. to act like 2Pac isn't an icon in music history is dumber than anything Infinite can ever say.
What are you talking about?? Where do you see that in my quote? I was referring to the trash statement.
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probaly they are all really dead people and so was pac and this album was really recorded when 2pac died in the afterlife
What the fuck did you just say?
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^u dont think 2pac is known worldwide and gained acceptance from different cultures? LOL. to act like 2Pac isn't an icon in music history is dumber than anything Infinite can ever say.
What are you talking about?? Where do you see that in my quote? I was referring to the trash statement.
seems to me like u were implying that all those names were icons and 2pac wasn't......
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^u dont think 2pac is known worldwide and gained acceptance from different cultures? LOL. to act like 2Pac isn't an icon in music history is dumber than anything Infinite can ever say.
What are you talking about?? Where do you see that in my quote? I was referring to the trash statement.
seems to me like u were implying that all those names were icons and 2pac wasn't......
he didnīt . everyone knows Tupac is Bob Marley kind of martyr figure known across the world . probably not as big as Marley but well known anyway .
Infinite talking out of his ass like always . Those bands you mentioned might be trash to you but they sure as hell did change the music world and i bet many of them influenced your lord and savior Tupac Amaru Shakur .
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i know hurt-m-badd is still here, not doin much but we hear from him, interviews, statements, etc. demetrius "meech" shipp made comments on "black diamond" jewell on youtube BUT WHERE THE HELL IS DARRYL "BIG D" HARPER?
Raising his family
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Album was garbage ..FORGETTABLE
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^u dont think 2pac is known worldwide and gained acceptance from different cultures? LOL. to act like 2Pac isn't an icon in music history is dumber than anything Infinite can ever say.
What are you talking about?? Where do you see that in my quote? I was referring to the trash statement.
seems to me like u were implying that all those names were icons and 2pac wasn't......
he didnīt . everyone knows Tupac is Bob Marley kind of martyr figure known across the world . probably not as big as Marley but well known anyway .
Infinite talking out of his ass like always . Those bands you mentioned might be trash to you but they sure as hell did change the music world and i bet many of them influenced your lord and savior Tupac Amaru Shakur .
My bad..
Bob Marley's name was thrown in there with a lot of other names. So when I said, "That shit is trash compared to 2pac" I missed the fact that Bob Marley's name was in there. So my comment was actually incorrect because I didn't look over the list of names as well as I should have. But just like Bob Marley is a Prophet in Rasta/Reggae culture and known worldwide, 2pac is the Prophet of Hip-Hop and known worldwide. So they were both the gold standard of their profession and reached the highest plateau one could reach in that arena.
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ur only sayin that cuz Bob is black
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ur only sayin that cuz Bob is black
No, because I put Phil Collins up there with Pac and Bob Marley. Phil Collins was the greatest musician when it came to love music and he totally dominated and owned the 80's the way Pac owned the 90's.
by the way.. Objectively speaking I put Bob Marley up there, but subjectively speaking Lucky Dube is my favorite Reggae artist.
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They weren't prophets. They were artists. They were just paying attention while everyone else had their heads up their asses.
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Album was garbage ..FORGETTABLE
i hope youīre jokin, get off dreīs nuts.
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They weren't prophets. They were artists. They were just paying attention while everyone else had their heads up their asses.
well said
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probaly they are all really dead people and so was pac and this album was really recorded when 2pac died in the afterlife
What the fuck did you just say?
this album was recorded by dead people. lol
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probaly they are all really dead people and so was pac and this album was really recorded when 2pac died in the afterlife
What the fuck did you just say?
this album was recorded by dead people. lol
lol 7dt iz a zombie-album then.stop smokin sherm.
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but those songs fade after awhile (aside from Hit Em Up).
even Hit Em Up has faded for me. can't really listen to the track anymore. it's embarrassing. not a clever diss song with witty lines or anything. and even musically never thought it was that good to sample blatantly Dennis Edwards. but i guess it was really efficient when it came out.
Dam thanks for the sample credit. I checked Dennis Edwards on youtube and DAM that is a wack fuckin song. I don't know how they saw that gangster shit from it, that's amazing lol :o
lol I'd take Don't Look Any Further over Hit Em Up everyday of the week... just cause it ain't gangsta doesn't mean it's wack (i'd say "gangsta" music has a higher ratio of wack music than "non-gangsta" music (whatever that means lol)).
[It samples "Impeach the President" by The Honey Drippers. That song "I Can" by Nas also samples it too (specifically the drumbeat), so does "Total Kaos" by EPMD and some others I can't think of at the moment.
i cant recognize the sample at all. is it just the breakbeat?
sade>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2pac
half of bob marleys music is speaking for the disenfranchised and he didnt contradict his positive messages on a regular basis (i get around, every gangsta song) . and 2pac got good reviews from mainstream white critics too OMG jump ship. your whole argument makes no sense. i dont listen to rock but im pretty sure early rock wasnt accepted either at the time of its release. the eagles and led zepplin are trash to me compared to 2pac but im not going to make up some big bullshit explanation of why. its fuckin music.
well said.
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I'm not gonna lie, those beats on that cd were wack as fuck.........I only like the album because of what Pac was saying and because it expressed how angry he was, not because of how the cd sounded sonically.......
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I'm not gonna lie, those beats on that cd were wack as fuck.........I only like the album because of what Pac was saying and because it expressed how angry he was, not because of how the cd sounded sonically.......
to each their own .. ya know?to me itīs greatest album ever recorded: beats, lyrics, flow, message, mysteriousness
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Here we go again:
Tupac V Bob Marley V Elvis V The Beatles argument yet again. You'll get a different answer depending on what genre/forum-type you go onto.
Each one of them are unique, and individual, and it would be silly to select one without recognizing their status among their respected genres and cultures because all of the above are iconic, and spread over into other territory. Look at The Beatles in Japan, Tupac within Rock, or Bob Marley in Russia. All iconic, was ones work better, or more quality than the other? Not in my opinion, but I will say this,
2pac undoubtedly had the highest work ethic of any of those guys. All you need to do is look at what he done within the last 8-9 months of his life. Over 100 unreleased recorded songs, x2 albums, 11 Music videos, 2 feature length movies, almost 20 outside appearances, as well as concerts, interviews and shows. No one can compare even today. I hear Wayne a lot, but he's a fashion fad. His music isn't timeless, and the quantity of which he creates songs is easily done when the quality is absent, and what separates these guys above to the likes of a Lil Wayne, is that these guys (with the partial exception of 2Pac) never had the technological advancements to get things done quicker.
These guys lived in the days where if they worked with others, or collaborated, they had to do so in their studio, which sometimes meant travelling all around the country. They couldn't just "e-mail" a verse through, while they sat in their slippers sipping on a hot chocolate drink. They lived in the days where computers weren't able to do a 5th of the things that they are capable of doing now
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So the album wasn't mastered right? Cuz i always thought that i was the only one who noticed it. Still a very dope and classic album, also very well produced but
you could really tell that some things wasn't mixed and mastered like for example alot of 2pac's vocals and whatnot.
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Album was garbage ..FORGETTABLE
so was this post.
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So the album wasn't mastered right? Cuz i always thought that i was the only one who noticed it. Still a very dope and classic album, also very well produced but
you could really tell that some things wasn't mixed and mastered like for example alot of 2pac's vocals and whatnot.
yea...a lot of his vocals aint lined up right. like, u can tell when u hear him going over words and he doesnt punch in at the right spots. gives it a raw sound, which sorta adds to the feel of the album.
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I'm not gonna lie, those beats on that cd were wack as fuck.........I only like the album because of what Pac was saying and because it expressed how angry he was, not because of how the cd sounded sonically.......
To be honest, I didn't like the album much when it came out to the point where I was almost disappointed, though being a teenager when it came out, I was expecting more songs like that was on All Eyez on Me. Few of the beats are actually single-worthy (as it wasn't meant to be that kind of an album), but I appreciate it for what it was. You're right about Pac having breathed life into the beats, as it's hard to say if we would TRULY have felt the same way about those beats if we had only heard the instrumentals or if someone else had rapped over them. But they weren't bad though, and a lot of it became classic material, which means the beats were somewhat decent. It's not like people bump What'z Ya Phone # all the time, as not even Pac vocals can make that song hot. I can't think of a single remix of that song that I didn't think was better than the retail... the Nu-Mixx was a lot better, and even some fanmade mix from 2006-2007 where they put it over that "Sexy Back" song by Justin Timberlake sounded better.
So the album wasn't mastered right? Cuz i always thought that i was the only one who noticed it. Still a very dope and classic album, also very well produced but
you could really tell that some things wasn't mixed and mastered like for example alot of 2pac's vocals and whatnot.
That's correct, though it was re-released later on by Death Row with slightly better audio (such as the digital remastered versions that had the music videos on them), but the DualDisc releases that came out a while back (maybe 2005 or 2006) had more significant boosts in audio quality compared to before, which you can easily notice when listening to the original release and the DualDisc release back-to-back. Also, like I mentioned before, if you compare the original release to even the songs on the CD singles, the audio quality on the singles is so much clearer.
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Album was garbage ..FORGETTABLE
where u at bitchboy?