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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Triple OG Rapsodie on December 14, 2011, 10:37:04 AM
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What if he finally put out an album and it was on the same level as his last few EPs? I guess some people liked them but imo they were mediocre at best. Would you be satisfied or disappointed? Would it make his career better or worse?
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At this point I really don't care anymore - if it comes out, it does - if not, then so be it.
Like you said, he's recent stuff has been solid at best so I don't think he can top tracks like "Str8 Bosses" but I hope "Million Dollar Story" will have quality material on it... "B.O.S.S." is what I want to hear tho.
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At this point I really don't care anymore - if it comes out, it does - if not, then so be it.
Like you said, he's recent stuff has been solid at best so I don't think he can top tracks like "Str8 Bosses" but I hope "Million Dollar Story" will have quality material on it... "B.O.S.S." is what I want to hear tho.
real talk!!! i want boss more than mds, but if mds comes then i gonna cob that!
crook needs selling his "BOSS" album tru planetcob like the pre-order needs to take 20k to even sell and ship it out to the masses.
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i got a lil question that is a little off this topic but
the Horseshoe gang Members are Brothers ?? they all looks like Crooked I !! lol
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i think the damage is done already to his career, he delayed it so long
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Damage is already done. He's done so many mixtapes, and diluted filler material type tracks that he's embedded himself in amongst the rest of the mixtape rappers (See Cyssero)
His best chance was with Boom Boom Clap, when that came out. He missed the train that day
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Yeah he definitely shoulda rode the wave with "Boom Boom Clap" when it first came out. I didn't get that either.
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i think its gotten to the point where not having a solo album is almost crooked i's "thing"...
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i think its gotten to the point where not having a solo album is almost crooked i's "thing"...
Would Be Interesting To See....Crooked I The Only Artist To Make The Guiness Book For Dropping Consecutive Songs But Never An Album!! Lmfao!!
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i think the damage is done already to his career, he delayed it so long
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I say now it would just be a mistake. For more knowledgeable fans who know how long it's been delayed & understand the expectations, it's almost on a Detox level where it has to be an undoubtable classic for it to get any sort of praise without being considered a "disappointment". And as much great as I think Crooked I is, I don't think he could produce an album that people would throw in the great album discussion.
We live in an era where people have three songs connected to their career & the rest of the album just gets thrown in the trash anyway. Even really good albums get lost in the nostalgia that everyone else just compares to classics of the 90's. & most of that "classicness" is more connected to the impact those albums had. & like I've said before, it's not possible to have impact like that on this genre anymore. ESPECIALLY with Crooked's style of rapping.
There is no denying he can murk a beat better than almost anyone. Just gotta respect that for what it is & stop looking for more.
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Yes , yes , yes.......absolutely.....it gives us something to talk about
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I don't get his reasoning. He's had chances but his buzz is dead. He's ruined his reputation among hip hop fans. He's seen as a joke, his solo album is a punchline. Yeah, he gets respect from other rappers but career wise not one other rapper would want his career. Up until he left deathrow he had viable excuses. The situations at virgin, dpg and death row were out of his control. But since then he's done nothing. He built himself a huge buzz with the first hip hop weekly, that was the time to drop an album. That second hip hop weekly was barely even acknowledged, which is the proof he killed his own career.
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I think what is going on, is this, He wants to release an album and probably has it ready, but the record company doesn't want to put their name behind it and invest in it and send it out to the stores....and cause of that then Crooked has no other options to release an album in the stores, So then he is sticking to smaller EP's that are easier to download digitally and also cheaper so are more likely to sell online than an album would sell online....
I could be wrong about this...but i think that is what it is.
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I say now it would just be a mistake. For more knowledgeable fans who know how long it's been delayed & understand the expectations, it's almost on a Detox level where it has to be an undoubtable classic for it to get any sort of praise without being considered a "disappointment". And as much great as I think Crooked I is, I don't think he could produce an album that people would throw in the great album discussion.
We live in an era where people have three songs connected to their career & the rest of the album just gets thrown in the trash anyway. Even really good albums get lost in the nostalgia that everyone else just compares to classics of the 90's. & most of that "classicness" is more connected to the impact those albums had. & like I've said before, it's not possible to have impact like that on this genre anymore. ESPECIALLY with Crooked's style of rapping.
There is no denying he can murk a beat better than almost anyone. Just gotta respect that for what it is & stop looking for more.
110% networth. He's just an assassin,and not a great song maker. It always sounds like he's trying to hard. It's like his real songs outta assassin mode turn out like nas's you owe me,like trying to squeeze to much into a simple song,yell
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I can't even call it at this point. I feel like even if he wasn't putting out albums, he should have pushing retail product to keep his name relevant. If he done something along the lines of the pre-Get Rich 50 Cent or Saigon where he threw out compilations of his best mixtape and guest spot albums, he'd have something to work with. Termanology did that around here and it kept his name going a little. I've always pushed Tech N9ne as the business blueprint for just putting out consistent product and keep your touring game tight and blowing up that way. Crook's problem is he may have upset the herd a little too much by hyping things up and not delivering. Somebody like Dr. Dre who is the biggest name on the Coast despite long absences and has the #1 fucking rapper in the world can afford a 12-year fucking break. Crooked couldn't.
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I've stopped caring.
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At this point I really don't care anymore - if it comes out, it does - if not, then so be it.
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I got "still an mc" OG. let me know if y'all need it. One love.
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he dont have a album out but have more songs & verses out then 90% of all the rappers out.u could make 10 albums out of the free material & mixtapes he been putting out.
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He's too scared to drop an solo album. He knows it ain't gonna sell millions.
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he dont have a album out but have more songs & verses out then 90% of all the rappers out.u could make 10 albums out of the free material & mixtapes he been putting out.
You do it, then post it up as a download
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Isn't the point of recording music is to release it? Crooked I should just leak all these albums that have been sitting in the vaults for years. Might as well put them out independently and try to make a buck rather than have it collecting dust somewhere.
Yeah he definitely shoulda rode the wave with "Boom Boom Clap" when it first came out. I didn't get that either.
Had a pretty decent buzz right after he left Death Row, then had this track and the mixtape. Would have been good then to drop an album.
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i think its gotten to the point where not having a solo album is almost crooked i's "thing"...
Would Be Interesting To See....Crooked I The Only Artist To Make The Guiness Book For Dropping Consecutive Songs But Never An Album!! Lmfao!!
:D
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What I took from the new interviews that were posted, he's still trying to get signed. Dude refuses to go indie.
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Isn't the point of recording music is to release it? Crooked I should just leak all these albums that have been sitting in the vaults for years. Might as well put them out independently and try to make a buck rather than have it collecting dust somewhere.
Yeah he definitely shoulda rode the wave with "Boom Boom Clap" when it first came out. I didn't get that either.
Had a pretty decent buzz right after he left Death Row, then had this track and the mixtape. Would have been good then to drop an album.
I agree he needs to just leak all the "albums" he has in his vault or put them out for a cheap digital download or something. It's only gonna sound more and more dated the longer he waits. Why not just put it out so that all his upset fans can move on? If he were to drop an album today it wouldn't have anything from his multiple versions of the "BOSS" album on it, so why sit on that music and let it depreciate in value? It's not being reserved for his "album" at this point anyway. MAKES NO SENSE.
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He had 2 great opportunities to drop a solo album - the first one was in 2005 when "Boom Boom Clap" dropped. It created a great buzz for him aswell as rumors that Scott Storch is going to submit some production for "Boss Music" but then Death Row was spreading rumors that Crook's still signed to their label and the project never hit the stores...
Then, in 2007 he got even bigger buzz with his Hip-Hop Weekly's series that had the whole internet going CRAZY, plus he released "New West Anthem" - a very nice club banger that recieved postivie reviews. That was the perfect time to release the album via some independent company like Koch and I'm 100% sure it would end up with some decent numbers that year.
"This year I'm dropping "B.O.S.S." - I promise" - remember that?
Well, he didn't stick to his word which is what made many of his supporters and loyal fans to just move on, including myself. Instead, he wanted to wait another year until Interscope, Universal or some other major label will knock on his door with a contract worth millions of dollars so he could go platinum in first week sales and get a "instant classic" certified solo debut album.
That AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN Mr. Crooked I-con..
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I'll say this. It's on a MUCH smaller scale, so don't take it incredibly literal. BUT, lets not act like when Wu-Tang dropped "36 Chambers" y'all didn't think Method Man was dope as fuck. You didn't need Tical to solidify that opinion.
Slaughterhouse debut was really dope. Coulda used some work in direction of songs, themes, production. Better hook game. Making more songs along the lines of "Move On". But let's say Slaughterhouse, under Shady, drops their second album & it's the dopest shit in a long while. Why doesn't he get that pass Method Man got in '93?
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I'll say this. It's on a MUCH smaller scale, so don't take it incredibly literal. BUT, lets not act like when Wu-Tang dropped "36 Chambers" y'all didn't think Method Man was dope as fuck. You didn't need Tical to solidify that opinion.
Slaughterhouse debut was really dope. Coulda used some work in direction of songs, themes, production. Better hook game. Making more songs along the lines of "Move On". But let's say Slaughterhouse, under Shady, drops their second album & it's the dopest shit in a long while. Why doesn't he get that pass Method Man got in '93?
because method man was a new artist and hadn't had a chance to put an album out.
That ain't the case with crooked .
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Crooked should of dropped when boom boom clap hit now he's like what 62 tryna put out his debut album?gtfoh
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I'll say this. It's on a MUCH smaller scale, so don't take it incredibly literal. BUT, lets not act like when Wu-Tang dropped "36 Chambers" y'all didn't think Method Man was dope as fuck. You didn't need Tical to solidify that opinion.
Slaughterhouse debut was really dope. Coulda used some work in direction of songs, themes, production. Better hook game. Making more songs along the lines of "Move On". But let's say Slaughterhouse, under Shady, drops their second album & it's the dopest shit in a long while. Why doesn't he get that pass Method Man got in '93?
1) Method Man also didn't make promises to his fan base for 6+ years that his album was dropping soon
2) The internet had very little presence in '93 as it does now. Leaking albums/songs wasn't on a worldwide scale in '93 as it is today. Plus with social media sites and constant interaction with fans, more pressure nowadays to release material than there was then.
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So basically you're all just mad he didn't come through with what he promised. I personally can't hold that against an artist.
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I'll say this. It's on a MUCH smaller scale, so don't take it incredibly literal. BUT, lets not act like when Wu-Tang dropped "36 Chambers" y'all didn't think Method Man was dope as fuck. You didn't need Tical to solidify that opinion.
Slaughterhouse debut was really dope. Coulda used some work in direction of songs, themes, production. Better hook game. Making more songs along the lines of "Move On". But let's say Slaughterhouse, under Shady, drops their second album & it's the dopest shit in a long while. Why doesn't he get that pass Method Man got in '93?
Because Meth was a part of two classic albums. Since when is Slaughterhouse one of the greatest groups of all time and since when is Crooked I a part of two of the greatest albums of all time? A more legit comparison would be Kool Kim from the UMCs. You ask who? Exactly. Actually scratch that, because he put a solo out.
Even if he were a part of a classic group it might not be enough. I don't see anyone raving about Masta Killa or U-God.
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I'll say this. It's on a MUCH smaller scale, so don't take it incredibly literal. BUT, lets not act like when Wu-Tang dropped "36 Chambers" y'all didn't think Method Man was dope as fuck. You didn't need Tical to solidify that opinion.
Slaughterhouse debut was really dope. Coulda used some work in direction of songs, themes, production. Better hook game. Making more songs along the lines of "Move On". But let's say Slaughterhouse, under Shady, drops their second album & it's the dopest shit in a long while. Why doesn't he get that pass Method Man got in '93?
Because Meth was a part of two classic albums. Since when is Slaughterhouse one of the greatest groups of all time and since when is Crooked I a part of two of the greatest albums of all time? A more legit comparison would be Kool Kim from the UMCs. You ask who? Exactly. Actually scratch that, because he put a solo out.
Even if he were a part of a classic group it might not be enough. I don't see anyone raving about Masta Killa or U-God.
I cant understand what you are talking about....please dont try to explain it to me
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dont care if he has an album out or not
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dont care if he has an album out or not
I agree. There's so much (solo) music out already. He sounds over jacked beats than over original beats anyway.
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I'll say this. It's on a MUCH smaller scale, so don't take it incredibly literal. BUT, lets not act like when Wu-Tang dropped "36 Chambers" y'all didn't think Method Man was dope as fuck. You didn't need Tical to solidify that opinion.
Slaughterhouse debut was really dope. Coulda used some work in direction of songs, themes, production. Better hook game. Making more songs along the lines of "Move On". But let's say Slaughterhouse, under Shady, drops their second album & it's the dopest shit in a long while. Why doesn't he get that pass Method Man got in '93?
Because Meth was a part of two classic albums. Since when is Slaughterhouse one of the greatest groups of all time and since when is Crooked I a part of two of the greatest albums of all time? A more legit comparison would be Kool Kim from the UMCs. You ask who? Exactly. Actually scratch that, because he put a solo out.
Even if he were a part of a classic group it might not be enough. I don't see anyone raving about Masta Killa or U-God.
Not my point. They didn't drop the album & people were like "WOW, Method Man is one of the all-time greats". Obviously years went by & the album gained more "classic" value & is now regarded as one of the greatest Hip Hop albums of all-time. My point is that after it came out, right away people recognized how good he was. He could of got popped after that & people today would talk about how good he was off a group album.
Crooked could bring some amazing shit to the table next time around & I wouldn't need a solo album to solidify his dopeness.
Will he? Unlikely. But point is you don't "need" a solo album to recognize the greatness.
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Actually Crooked is in a very good position right now, as a part of Slaughterhouse signed to Eminem. You guys forget that he is bigger than he has ever been at the moment. Us on this forum might have been following his music for over a decade and are frustrated about no album dropping, but dude grinded his way up and he has constantly expanded his fanbase and is more known now than ever before.
Sure, "the album" never dropped, but he has released more music (both original songs and freestyles) than a lot of artists with regular retail releases.
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Yes, and the same could be said of Ice Cube before he went solo or Snoop if he went out before dropping "Doggystyle" but the short of it is Crook didn't have that kind of impact with his shit. He don't have that universal hit record or 16 that people know across the world. Cube did. Snoop did. Meth did. Treach does. It's not a knock on him as a talent. It's just the way things go.
The Meth comparison just doesn't work. The guy came in with the group, had a huge buzz, and just kept building on that momentum. Not to say Crook ain't still capable of choking the shit out of the game in the long run but let's call it like this. Wu-Tang dropped in November '93. Tical was finished and released a year later. Slaughterhouse has been out for 2 years now. He's far too established to some unknown catching the world by surprise at this point.
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He is far too eastablished, as in known to the industry, due to the length of his career, the people he's worked for and with (Snoop, Shady, Death Row) and R&B singers and rappers he's written for over the years. People already know
He damaged his solo career with this constant watered down mixtape trash..It's got to the point where... In fact scrap that!!! I became bored of Crooked I years ago, it's not even as if it's anything new anymore. One or two for buzz is fine, but the more and more mixtapes and EP's he puts out, just shows his interest in becoming an artist and wanting an album out to the point where it's cringing to watch, especially when a bulk of the material is skipper material, and "right-click"-"delete" garbage
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Actually Crooked is in a very good position right now, as a part of Slaughterhouse signed to Eminem. You guys forget that he is bigger than he has ever been at the moment. Us on this forum might have been following his music for over a decade and are frustrated about no album dropping, but dude grinded his way up and he has constantly expanded his fanbase and is more known now than ever before.
Sure, "the album" never dropped, but he has released more music (both original songs and freestyles) than a lot of artists with regular retail releases.
I agree. Crooked is actually in the best position he's been in career wise. People like to claim Death Row was the height of his musical career, but if you actually take the time to count out the accomplishments he's made since then, he's in such a better position. Even since 2006/2007 when B.O.S.S. was finally going to drop, he's on a national platform with Slaughterhouse and now Eminem. He may have lost fans along the way, but the amount that he has gained since then is far greater.
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question for effex...........has Crooked toured with eminem? I think the answer is no,
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Actually Crooked is in a very good position right now, as a part of Slaughterhouse signed to Eminem. You guys forget that he is bigger than he has ever been at the moment. Us on this forum might have been following his music for over a decade and are frustrated about no album dropping, but dude grinded his way up and he has constantly expanded his fanbase and is more known now than ever before.
Sure, "the album" never dropped, but he has released more music (both original songs and freestyles) than a lot of artists with regular retail releases.
I agree. Crooked is actually in the best position he's been in career wise. People like to claim Death Row was the height of his musical career, but if you actually take the time to count out the accomplishments he's made since then, he's in such a better position. Even since 2006/2007 when B.O.S.S. was finally going to drop, he's on a national platform with Slaughterhouse and now Eminem. He may have lost fans along the way, but the amount that he has gained since then is far greater.
sure but slaughterhouse isn't g unit, its not like he'll go platinum with a solo project, now that slaugterhouse is signed.
shady doesn't really release albums, so it's not likely that slaugherhouse drops an album on that label.
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Best position in his career?? Are you kidding me?
He's older, a lot fatter, and uglier than he ever was before.... & in Hip Hop nowadays, that is never going to get you into the stores, and on shelves, when the fan base are mainly teens, and that most are just so narrow minded.
They might have signed with one of the greats (Eminem) but that doesn't mean instant success, and future platinum ability. Just look at all the Shady or Aftermath failures. Anyone remember Cashis?
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I'll say this. It's on a MUCH smaller scale, so don't take it incredibly literal. BUT, lets not act like when Wu-Tang dropped "36 Chambers" y'all didn't think Method Man was dope as fuck. You didn't need Tical to solidify that opinion.
Slaughterhouse debut was really dope. Coulda used some work in direction of songs, themes, production. Better hook game. Making more songs along the lines of "Move On". But let's say Slaughterhouse, under Shady, drops their second album & it's the dopest shit in a long while. Why doesn't he get that pass Method Man got in '93?
Because Meth was a part of two classic albums. Since when is Slaughterhouse one of the greatest groups of all time and since when is Crooked I a part of two of the greatest albums of all time? A more legit comparison would be Kool Kim from the UMCs. You ask who? Exactly. Actually scratch that, because he put a solo out.
Even if he were a part of a classic group it might not be enough. I don't see anyone raving about Masta Killa or U-God.
Not my point. They didn't drop the album & people were like "WOW, Method Man is one of the all-time greats". Obviously years went by & the album gained more "classic" value & is now regarded as one of the greatest Hip Hop albums of all-time. My point is that after it came out, right away people recognized how good he was. He could of got popped after that & people today would talk about how good he was off a group album.
Crooked could bring some amazing shit to the table next time around & I wouldn't need a solo album to solidify his dopeness.
Will he? Unlikely. But point is you don't "need" a solo album to recognize the greatness.
Wu Tang came out and it was the hottest shit ever heard. It was the new thing. Not only that but Meth's solo song on the album was a radio hit. He made an impact and stuck out as a part of the hottest group of the moment. Like Jimmy said, similar to Cube and Treach. Not only that, but he stuck around. If he had stopped making hits after 36 Chambers, no one would be talking about him now. You can't compare that to a guy the mainstream isn't aware of. Like I said, he's more comparable to a Kool Kim. Had a little mainstream success, was a part of two dope group albums.
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Best position in his career?? Are you kidding me?
He's older, a lot fatter, and uglier than he ever was before.... & in Hip Hop nowadays, that is never going to get you into the stores, and on shelves, when the fan base are mainly teens, and that most are just so narrow minded.
You're right, because Rick Ross and Waka Flocka and Gucci Mane and Mac Miller look like Calvin Klein models right?
Come one bro. No one said Crooked was gonna be the next pop star. We're talking about success in rap.
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Are you guys really discussing the looks of a rapper? Jesus Christ I've read some gay shit in here but that tops it.
And dre-day, how does shady not release albums? Only artists that didn't come out were Bobby creekwater and stat quo. And stat quo was a victim of dr.dre, if that album came out on shady alone, it would be in stores. Cashis released an ep in stores. Bobby creekwater was a victim of eminems drug problem.
Obie trice trice had two albums, d12 had two albums, cashis had an ep and yelawolf just released an album, along with all the 50 cent and eminem albums. That label has about a 90 percent rate of artists getting to release music. How can you say they don't release albums when only one (stat quo was completely on dre)artist in their history didn't release music in stores. I dare you to find ONE other label that has rate of artists signed/artists in stores. You won't find one.
Gauaranteed slaughterhouse will be released.
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Actually Crooked is in a very good position right now, as a part of Slaughterhouse signed to Eminem. You guys forget that he is bigger than he has ever been at the moment. Us on this forum might have been following his music for over a decade and are frustrated about no album dropping, but dude grinded his way up and he has constantly expanded his fanbase and is more known now than ever before.
Sure, "the album" never dropped, but he has released more music (both original songs and freestyles) than a lot of artists with regular retail releases.
So why doesn't he start fresh and leak the "albums" he's recorded over the year? Obviously that work doesn't matter since he's in a "very good position" now. Plus that material (the old shit) is going to sound pretty dated.
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I'll say this. It's on a MUCH smaller scale, so don't take it incredibly literal. BUT, lets not act like when Wu-Tang dropped "36 Chambers" y'all didn't think Method Man was dope as fuck. You didn't need Tical to solidify that opinion.
Slaughterhouse debut was really dope. Coulda used some work in direction of songs, themes, production. Better hook game. Making more songs along the lines of "Move On". But let's say Slaughterhouse, under Shady, drops their second album & it's the dopest shit in a long while. Why doesn't he get that pass Method Man got in '93?
Because Meth was a part of two classic albums. Since when is Slaughterhouse one of the greatest groups of all time and since when is Crooked I a part of two of the greatest albums of all time? A more legit comparison would be Kool Kim from the UMCs. You ask who? Exactly. Actually scratch that, because he put a solo out.
Even if he were a part of a classic group it might not be enough. I don't see anyone raving about Masta Killa or U-God.
Not my point. They didn't drop the album & people were like "WOW, Method Man is one of the all-time greats". Obviously years went by & the album gained more "classic" value & is now regarded as one of the greatest Hip Hop albums of all-time. My point is that after it came out, right away people recognized how good he was. He could of got popped after that & people today would talk about how good he was off a group album.
Crooked could bring some amazing shit to the table next time around & I wouldn't need a solo album to solidify his dopeness.
Will he? Unlikely. But point is you don't "need" a solo album to recognize the greatness.
Wu Tang came out and it was the hottest shit ever heard. It was the new thing. Not only that but Meth's solo song on the album was a radio hit. He made an impact and stuck out as a part of the hottest group of the moment. Like Jimmy said, similar to Cube and Treach. Not only that, but he stuck around. If he had stopped making hits after 36 Chambers, no one would be talking about him now. You can't compare that to a guy the mainstream isn't aware of. Like I said, he's more comparable to a Kool Kim. Had a little mainstream success, was a part of two dope group albums.
I'm not comparing him to Method Man or his career or his popularity or his impact. All I'm saying is, if Method Man never took a solo career we'd still be saying the same shit about him today. So like I said, Crooked I doesn't need a solo album. He can solidify himself on a group album.
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he needs to release some more ep's
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I'm not comparing him to Method Man or his career or his popularity or his impact. All I'm saying is, if Method Man never took a solo career we'd still be saying the same shit about him today. So like I said, Crooked I doesn't need a solo album. He can solidify himself on a group album.
I get what you are saying but it's still backwards in terms of fans' perceptions. He's not a guy who came out as part of a collective and then decided he'd go solo. Slaughterhouse was built as a "super group", four ultra-talented MC's who caught hard luck in the industry and decided to join up. There is still a large portion of his individual fan base who need that solo album. You ask Crooked I fans, the ones who've been following forever and a day, what they want to know about him as far as questions and I bet the majority revolve around a solo album. That's what his fans specifically want. It's like Dre with that Detox. It's not gonna dissapear. And that's a guy who a lot of people view as the greatest of all-time in his profession.
And while we're on the subject, I don't think if Meth had foregone a solo career and individual endevors (the Biggie collabo, duet with Mary J, duo project with Redman) that we would still be saying the same shit.
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I'm not comparing him to Method Man or his career or his popularity or his impact. All I'm saying is, if Method Man never took a solo career we'd still be saying the same shit about him today. So like I said, Crooked I doesn't need a solo album. He can solidify himself on a group album.
If Meth never took a solo career he'd be that east coast rapper who was hot for a moment in the mid 90s. To act like his solo career and his work with Redman haven't contributed to how people view his career is just blind.
It's possible Crooked I could solidy himself as part of a group. But (a) the group would have to be releasing several great albums and (b) he'd have to be the standout member. What's the chance of both happening? Neither one happened on the first.
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I'd say meths solo work hurt how he's viewed, considering how weak his discography is.
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You could argue that his solo albums haven't lived up to specific expectations but his solo work and his discography are two seperate things. That "All I Need" track with Mary was a big radio hit. That joint he did with Biggie was a good look since he was the only guest artist on that whole album. The stuff he did with Redman, while not solo work in the literal definition, was far enough removed from the Wu-Tang umbrella where it established his individual brand. He also had a pretty substantial cross-over hit with that track he did for Limp Bizkit. I don't know how well it aged since but that was the blueprint for the rap and rock crossover for a minute at the time. He was fucking visible in everything for quite awhile. He became a break-out star off that. As a solo artist, he hasn't had an undisputed classic but none of that shit flopped. Wu-Tang had some all-stars in its group so if Meth got sloppy with his career directions, he wouldn't be remembered for nothing. Let's sum it up like this. I don't think he's ever put out a solo on the level of "Built For Cuban Linx" but he got like three or four hit records that are bigger than any song on that entire album. So no, you don't need a classic solo album to be great but in the absence of that, you do need some real hit records. Whether it's a 16 on a group project or something you do on your own.
Greatness as a rapper-MC-artist comes down to the appeal. Whether you're a master lyrical guy or a glorified jingle writer, you need a catalog of songs that is going to keep people moving. If you're going to tour, you need to have a 45-minute to an hour-long set of songs that the audience in every region is going to know and love. Nothing else matters. There's people who go to these shows and don't even know that the guy they paid to watch actually performs some hit song they heard 100 times on the fucking radio and it don't matter. I watched Snoop go like 2-3 hours on a set doing a range of different songs to a huge venue and I watched Ras Kass headline a 25-minute set where there wasn't one song where everybody was vibing in unison because the whole room just KNEW it. You can have group songs. Posse cuts. Soundtrack selections. Guest spots on someone else's album. It don't matter but you need to own that.
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His last album failed to go gold, as did the last red and meth album. So technically that's two flops. And as far as quality goes, his last two solo albums were trash,straight up. Sure, he had a few big songs solo wise but meth will always be remembered for his group effort, not his solo work. Because his solo work as a whole is a complete disappointment. Considering how much buzz he had with the first wu album, and then dropped the worst solo album of all the first wave of wu solos. A few hot guest verses here and there and a hit song doesn't mean you had a good solo career, word to canibus.
And, that wu massacre album was mediocre and failed to go gold.
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I think i was one of the biggest crooked i fans , ppl laughed at me here in germany because they listened to the game albums and shit and i was listening to the hip hop weeklys.
one of my dreams was a crooked album but since aound 1 year i dont give a fuck i dont follow him anymore, no mixtape nothing. maybe if his album comes ill download it for free and delete it then because he is only good on beats of other rappers,his own beats are shit i cant listen to them
he lost a big fan and i dont give a fuck about him anymore, every fag can bring out an album but he cant. he cant even get some real beats producers and features
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I think i was one of the biggest crooked i fans , ppl laughed at me here in germany because they listened to the game albums and shit and i was listening to the hip hop weeklys.
one of my dreams was a crooked album but since aound 1 year i dont give a fuck i dont follow him anymore, no mixtape nothing. maybe if his album comes ill download it for free and delete it then because he is only good on beats of other rappers,his own beats are shit i cant listen to them
he lost a big fan and i dont give a fuck about him anymore, every fag can bring out an album but he cant. he cant even get some real beats producers and features
Something about that sentence just doesn't sound right,
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His last album failed to go gold, as did the last red and meth album. So technically that's two flops. And as far as quality goes, his last two solo albums were trash,straight up. Sure, he had a few big songs solo wise but meth will always be remembered for his group effort, not his solo work. Because his solo work as a whole is a complete disappointment. Considering how much buzz he had with the first wu album, and then dropped the worst solo album of all the first wave of wu solos. A few hot guest verses here and there and a hit song doesn't mean you had a good solo career, word to canibus.
And, that wu massacre album was mediocre and failed to go gold.
You're straight up delusional if you think people would still be talking about Meth without all his non-wu work.
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His last album failed to go gold, as did the last red and meth album. So technically that's two flops. And as far as quality goes, his last two solo albums were trash,straight up. Sure, he had a few big songs solo wise but meth will always be remembered for his group effort, not his solo work. Because his solo work as a whole is a complete disappointment. Considering how much buzz he had with the first wu album, and then dropped the worst solo album of all the first wave of wu solos. A few hot guest verses here and there and a hit song doesn't mean you had a good solo career, word to canibus.
And, that wu massacre album was mediocre and failed to go gold.
You're straight up delusional if you think people would still be talking about Meth without all his non-wu work.
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His last album failed to go gold, as did the last red and meth album. So technically that's two flops. And as far as quality goes, his last two solo albums were trash,straight up. Sure, he had a few big songs solo wise but meth will always be remembered for his group effort, not his solo work. Because his solo work as a whole is a complete disappointment. Considering how much buzz he had with the first wu album, and then dropped the worst solo album of all the first wave of wu solos. A few hot guest verses here and there and a hit song doesn't mean you had a good solo career, word to canibus.
The Canibus comparison would work better with Crooked I than it would with Meth. He might be struggling to live up to that solo album potential in the eyes of some crtitics but that doesn't change the fact that Method Man got the biggest hits out of anybody in Wu-Tang.
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And dre-day, how does shady not release albums? Only artists that didn't come out were Bobby creekwater and stat quo. And stat quo was a victim of dr.dre, if that album came out on shady alone, it would be in stores. Cashis released an ep in stores. Bobby creekwater was a victim of eminems drug problem.
Obie trice trice had two albums, d12 had two albums, cashis had an ep and yelawolf just released an album, along with all the 50 cent and eminem albums. That label has about a 90 percent rate of artists getting to release music. How can you say they don't release albums when only one (stat quo was completely on dre)artist in their history didn't release music in stores. I dare you to find ONE other label that has rate of artists signed/artists in stores. You won't find one.
Gauaranteed slaughterhouse will be released.
i said, not really release albums. they haven't really released much in the last few years. sure its not as bad as aftermath, but not much better either.
eminems solo albums dont count as they are aftermath releases. you say stat quo was a victim of dr.dre, but eminem stopped working on his project after an argument. they are both partly responsible for it not working, cant blame it all on dre.
my bad about yelawolf, i know he was signed, but didnt know his album went through shady.
you're right that cashis released an EP, but that was 4 years ago! he wont drop a solo album in a million years.
slaughterhouse may have gotten some attention when signing with shady, but im not sure if interscope will give them the green light.
maybe they'll present it as a featuring eminem project who knows.
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I think there is enough of a buzz about Slaughterhouse for them to get their album released.
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I think there is enough of a buzz about Slaughterhouse for them to get their album released.
so you think they'll drop an album at the beginning of 2012, like crooked says?
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imo a supergroup doesn't contain an artist with no solo album(s). and method man was in the wu before his solo career not the other way around.
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imo a supergroup doesn't contain an artist with no solo album(s). and method man was in the wu before his solo career not the other way around.
That is a extremly random aspect. :D
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imo a supergroup doesn't contain an artist with no solo album(s). and method man was in the wu before his solo career not the other way around.
lets be honest.
Canibus should have replaced Crooked I ~~ Has actual albums, and had that infamous beef with LL
He should have dropped that album back in 2005, and tried his best to sook up to Snoop Dogg, and rebuilt some bridges that were damaged by other people, and I agree, supergroups should have super artists.... It's not like having 4 bits of a jigsaw complete 1 picture... It should be 4 pictures making a fkn book
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imo a supergroup doesn't contain an artist with no solo album(s). and method man was in the wu before his solo career not the other way around.
lets be honest.
Canibus should have replaced Crooked I ~~ Has actual albums.
this.
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imo a supergroup doesn't contain an artist with no solo album(s). and method man was in the wu before his solo career not the other way around.
Can't say as I agree. I think with what they were going with, it's a "super group". They're all guys who were on their way to being superstars but sort of got derailed. It's more about talent and potential than prestige.
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imo a supergroup doesn't contain an artist with no solo album(s). and method man was in the wu before his solo career not the other way around.
lets be honest.
Canibus should have replaced Crooked I ~~ Has actual albums, and had that infamous beef with LL
He should have dropped that album back in 2005, and tried his best to sook up to Snoop Dogg, and rebuilt some bridges that were damaged by other people, and I agree, supergroups should have super artists.... It's not like having 4 bits of a jigsaw complete 1 picture... It should be 4 pictures making a fkn book
It's a microgroup
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Canibus already in a knot collective, and if yella pushed 41 thou first week you know Jimmy hella worried about this product, he probably trying to get em to join the group. Buddens got topics Royce got the most commercial appeal, crooked is an assassin and joell is ill with the wit. The album should be made like an audio tarantino flick.
Crooked still is better off in a group yell