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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: rayallen0 on January 09, 2012, 08:53:54 PM
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Right now. not who has the best career. not who is your fav. i say Lebron i know to all of you Lebron sucks but who do you want to put ahead of him Kobe? 1 year ago sure. but he didn't prove he was better last year.
Don't get all angry at me. just state your opinion and why.
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Clearly LeBron, he's been the best regular season player for years. If he doesn't play like a role player in the playoffs.. ain't nobody stopping the Heat then.
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Best player hands down, uncontested since his last year in Cleveland.
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Best player hands down, uncontested since his last year in Cleveland.
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Yep Lebron is the best player in the NBA for 3 years and a half ... in the regular season ... 2009 and 2010 Kobe was better in the playoffs
Kobe still being a TOP 5 player in his 16th season is amazing though with all the minutes he logged and the injuries he had.
My top 5 right now :
1) Lebron
2) Durant
3) Dwight
4 a ) Wade
4 b) Kobe
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Yep Lebron is the best player in the NBA for 3 years and a half ... in the regular season ... 2009 and 2010 Kobe was better in the playoffs
Kobe still being a TOP 5 player in his 16th season is amazing though with all the minutes he logged and the injuries he had.
My top 5 right now :
1) Lebron
2) Durant
3) Dwight
4 a ) Wade
4 b) Kobe
i rank em exactly as they are listed. yes i think the 2 best players in the NBA are on 1 team.
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^^^^ You would take CP3 over Durant ? I know CP3 had a MONSTER series against the Lakers but he was too passive in a lot of close games with the Hornets in the regular season ... he's a good clutch player and he had to be more agressive especially knowing who were the others Hornets players ... even if he's a PG
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Kobe has been the best player since 2002...he's constantly elevating his game and bracing himself to peak at the right moments, while lebron still peaks during the regular season and burns out by the playoffs, never really showing as much growth in his game from season to season. kobe is still on top of his game and adds something new to his arsenal every year...lebron, to me, is on durant's level still...i'll let u know when he reaches legendary status.
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its lebron. no question.
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Wcsoldier is spot on. Of course, things change dramatically in the playoffs, especially for Lebron.
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Kobe has been the best player since 2002...he's constantly elevating his game and bracing himself to peak at the right moments, while lebron still peaks during the regular season and burns out by the playoffs, never really showing as much growth in his game from season to season. kobe is still on top of his game and adds something new to his arsenal every year...lebron, to me, is on durant's level still...i'll let u know when he reaches legendary status.
NIK you my dude but come on. Adds somethin new to his game every year?
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1. LeBron
2. Wade
3. Durant
4. Dwight
5. Kobe
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The way I see it now..
Wade
Kobe
LeBron
Durant
I still feel that Kobe is the most skilled but the injuries and age are getting to him. As for LeBron and Durant, they have all the talent in the world but haven't really proven much at this point outside of putting up monster numbers in the regular season.
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Kobe has been the best player since 2002...he's constantly elevating his game and bracing himself to peak at the right moments, while lebron still peaks during the regular season and burns out by the playoffs, never really showing as much growth in his game from season to season. kobe is still on top of his game and adds something new to his arsenal every year...lebron, to me, is on durant's level still...i'll let u know when he reaches legendary status.
NIK you my dude but come on. Adds somethin new to his game every year?
yup...like this year, he added the one legged dirk step-back fadeway:
http://www.youtube.com/v/creyKKsMNCI
http://www.youtube.com/v/AN8unIATD3s
lebrons game never changes...in fact, he subtracted from his game by losing his three ball
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then vote for kobe? ???
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I'll give LeBron #1 but Durant has to be #2. I'll go with Wade as #3, Rose at 4. Kobe at 5, Melo at 6. Dwight at 7, Paul at 8.
Don't forget about that boy Kevin Love either. Dude is slept on
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question: why is everyone rating Kobe so low? he's having his best season since his mvp year, and if u subtract that awful shooting night, he's actually shooting 48% from the field....28 points-6 assists on a brand new team still gelling. and people are putting DWYANE WADE, who is averaging 18 points on 44% from the field above that? sad that more peeps dont recognize.
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We all know what Wade can do. He isn't having a bad season he is just doing what he is needed to do. We saw in the finals Wade was the one who really lead the team. That is why i have him #2. i have Kobe #3. don't think that is bad at all.
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We all know what Wade can do. He isn't having a bad season he is just doing what he is needed to do. We saw in the finals Wade was the one who really lead the team. That is why i have him #2. i have Kobe #3. don't think that is bad at all.
but if were going by what they CAN do or basing it off of previous Finals performances, then Kobe should be the unanimous number 1 pick.....but it looks like people are basing this shit on who's been the best in the regular season so far. if thats the case, Wade aint even in the top 10 right about now.
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We all know what Wade can do. He isn't having a bad season he is just doing what he is needed to do. We saw in the finals Wade was the one who really lead the team. That is why i have him #2. i have Kobe #3. don't think that is bad at all.
but if were going by what they CAN do or basing it off of previous Finals performances, then Kobe should be the unanimous number 1 pick.....but it looks like people are basing this shit on who's been the best in the regular season so far. if thats the case, Wade aint even in the top 10 right about now.
i dont count 2 years ago. last years playoffs tho for sure and although it wasn't Kobe's fault they lost he damn sure wasn't the #1 player in the NBA. I'm trying to be unbiased. Kobe i like alot more than either and career wise? yes nobody is as good as Kobe he is top 10 all time. followed by Duncan & Garnett but I'm not putting them up on that list. obviously Kobe is better than those guys and thats why i have him #3.
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We all know what Wade can do. He isn't having a bad season he is just doing what he is needed to do. We saw in the finals Wade was the one who really lead the team. That is why i have him #2. i have Kobe #3. don't think that is bad at all.
but if were going by what they CAN do or basing it off of previous Finals performances, then Kobe should be the unanimous number 1 pick.....but it looks like people are basing this shit on who's been the best in the regular season so far. if thats the case, Wade aint even in the top 10 right about now.
i dont count 2 years ago. last years playoffs tho for sure and although it wasn't Kobe's fault they lost he damn sure wasn't the #1 player in the NBA. I'm trying to be unbiased. Kobe i like alot more than either and career wise? yes nobody is as good as Kobe he is top 10 all time. followed by Duncan & Garnett but I'm not putting them up on that list. obviously Kobe is better than those guys and thats why i have him #3.
well, put it this way, in last years playoffs, Kobe was still head and shoulders above LeBron, who proved to the world once again that he is relegated to role player status once the importance of the games get magnified. so if we really are goin by last years playoffs, LeBron is not even top 5...if we're going by players performances so far this year, Wade is nowhere near Kobe.
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We all know what Wade can do. He isn't having a bad season he is just doing what he is needed to do. We saw in the finals Wade was the one who really lead the team. That is why i have him #2. i have Kobe #3. don't think that is bad at all.
but if were going by what they CAN do or basing it off of previous Finals performances, then Kobe should be the unanimous number 1 pick.....but it looks like people are basing this shit on who's been the best in the regular season so far. if thats the case, Wade aint even in the top 10 right about now.
i dont count 2 years ago. last years playoffs tho for sure and although it wasn't Kobe's fault they lost he damn sure wasn't the #1 player in the NBA. I'm trying to be unbiased. Kobe i like alot more than either and career wise? yes nobody is as good as Kobe he is top 10 all time. followed by Duncan & Garnett but I'm not putting them up on that list. obviously Kobe is better than those guys and thats why i have him #3.
well, put it this way, in last years playoffs, Kobe was still head and shoulders above LeBron, who proved to the world once again that he is relegated to role player status once the importance of the games get magnified. so if we really are goin by last years playoffs, LeBron is not even top 5...if we're going by players performances so far this year, Wade is nowhere near Kobe.
yes but im combining regular season playoffs and everything else into my choice of best player.
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top 10 players career wise still playing
1. Kobe
2. Duncan
3. KG
4. Lebron
5. Wade
6. Dirk
7. Pierce
8. Kidd
9. Ray Allen
10. Vince Carter
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top 10 players career wise still playing
1. Kobe
2. Duncan
3. KG
4. Lebron
5. Wade
6. Dirk
7. Pierce
8. Kidd
9. Ray Allen
10. Vince Carter
not a bad list....wade and dirk should be above lebron though, since he's still searchin for his first ring.
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best player in the nba has 17 in the 1st quarter right now...beastmode.
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48 points for kobe
lmao@wade, smh
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48 points for kobe
lmao@wade, smh
24 of those belong to Vanessa though
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LOL @ kid using stats. He's hopeless.
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Lebron dissapeared in the 4th ... again
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LOL @ kid using stats. He's hopeless.
who are u talking too? u realize no one is reading ur posts saying "damn, cham is right!" lmao
someone dedicated a thread to u riding my nuts, and u brushed it off as them playing a joke on me...now ur still riding my nuts. smfh.
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Lebron dissapeared in the 4th ... again
yet u picked him as ur best player and shitted on kobe by placing him 5th.......
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LOL @ kid using stats. He's hopeless.
who are u talking too? u realize no one is reading ur posts saying "damn, cham is right!" lmao
someone dedicated a thread to u riding my nuts, and u brushed it off as them playing a joke on me...now ur still riding my nuts. smfh.
I mean, I don't know if you've noticed, but nobody ever co-signs a word you say. Yet, I don't really co-sign anything anybody else says. So I mean, by your standards not "quoting me" & saying "DAMN, CHAM IS RIGHT!" just shows I'm wrong. But I mean, the last time you tried to make logical sense was that if somebody doesn't show up when called out they're pussy. Yet, you didn't show. So I guess you could just be a prophet in that respect.
& son! He was trolling lmao. He's been gone, he's been at Da Sauce. You're just too stupid to understand. He shitted on SIK too. Yet you can go back two months ago & he's showing everyone love. Dumb fuck lmao.
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LOL @ kid using stats. He's hopeless.
who are u talking too? u realize no one is reading ur posts saying "damn, cham is right!" lmao
someone dedicated a thread to u riding my nuts, and u brushed it off as them playing a joke on me...now ur still riding my nuts. smfh.
I mean, I don't know if you've noticed, but nobody ever co-signs a word you say. Yet, I don't really co-sign anything anybody else says. So I mean, by your standards not "quoting me" & saying "DAMN, CHAM IS RIGHT!" just shows I'm wrong. But I mean, the last time you tried to make logical sense was that if somebody doesn't show up when called out they're pussy. Yet, you didn't show. So I guess you could just be a prophet in that respect.
& son! He was trolling lmao. He's been gone, he's been at Da Sauce. You're just too stupid to understand. He shitted on SIK too. Yet you can go back two months ago & he's showing everyone love. Dumb fuck lmao.
only difference is, he was playin wit sik.....he really does think ur a faggot, though. not that it makes a difference, but it's hilarious to see u going to great lengths to make an excuse everytime someone recognizes ur gayness.
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^lol, okay buddy. I'm going "great lengths". A month & a half ago me & him were making fun of Radiotube. He disappears. Comes back & starts shitting on people he was "cool" with. You tell yourself whatever you want, child.
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oh for fucks sake take your gay ass beef out of my thread and back into the g-spot.
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oh for fucks sake take your gay ass beef out of my thread and back into the g-spot.
foreal
best player in the league does it again.
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Mike Brown's "system" is definitely good for his stats..makes you wonder what kind of crazy numbers he woulda put up in his 20's.
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^i still wanna know how u had Wade over Kobe.....
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^i still wanna know how u had Wade over Kobe.....
Idk man, after last season it looked like he was on the decline, and especially with the wrist I thought it was going to be a down season, he's playing lights out though. Chill out, Kobe's my favorite player, it's not like i'm praying for his downfall or something.
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Derrick Rose
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Derrick Rose
i like when players have 0% but got a vote in the thread lol
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^i still wanna know how u had Wade over Kobe.....
Idk man, after last season it looked like he was on the decline, and especially with the wrist I thought it was going to be a down season, he's playing lights out though. Chill out, Kobe's my favorite player, it's not like i'm praying for his downfall or something.
naah...not a diss to u, bro. i just feel like the media has a great impact on the way most people view players. those bullshit power rankings and nonsense the media throws our way is all baseless. i really haven't seen any signs of a drastic decline from Kobe's MVP days. even last year, he was playin the same game, just played less minutes than he typically does...and this season, he's been playing nothin short of prime basketball. i dunno how people still can put lebron above kobe after last years finals once again proved that lebron shouldn't be mentioned with the all time greats yet.
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^No shit-talking on LeBron being horrible in the 4th and OT against the Clippers? :D
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Derrick Rose
i like when players have 0% but got a vote in the thread lol
lol ? LOL ????? :loser: :camp:
go suck lebron's cock and stfu.
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^No shit-talking on LeBron being horrible in the 4th and OT against the Clippers? :D
do i really need to say anything? by now, it would be equivalent to saying "damn, rondo dished out 9 dimes tonight!" or "did anyone catch dwight missing his free throws tonight?"......u get the drift.
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looks like steve nash agrees with me:
"He's the best player in the world," Nash said when it was over.
http://www.ocregister.com/sports/bryant-335093-kobe-michael.html
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^No shit-talking on LeBron being horrible in the 4th and OT against the Clippers? :D
I don't see why. The Heat as a team shot awfully combined in both the 4th & OT. The Big 3 hit just three shots in both quarters. The Heat just played terrible & still took a team people have in the top three in the West to OT & honestly handed the game away lol.
Kobe on the other hand didn't even hit the rim at the end of regulation; if that was LeBron & the game wasn't tied, he would never hear the end of it. Then in OT Kobe kicked it out to Pau to take a three (great mentality lol) after driving. Something NIK has criticized Bron for doing in the past.
You're seeing Kobe in the Mike Brown system. I can't hate on Kobe, but all I'm saying is he's going to put up big numbers all season because Mike Brown is virtually sitting back & saying "Kobe, do you". Just like he let LeBron do for years.
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3-6 FT shooting in the clutch is bad , not to mention he couldn't score on Billups in the post ... this 4th quarter showed again that when both Bron and Wade can't go out in transition or go to the hoop in the halfcourt offense , there is little they can do to score ... their lack of basketball fundamentals and limited arsenal moves has been exposed again ...
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^No shit-talking on LeBron being horrible in the 4th and OT against the Clippers? :D
I don't see why. The Heat as a team shot awfully combined in both the 4th & OT. The Big 3 hit just three shots in both quarters. The Heat just played terrible & still took a team people have in the top three in the West to OT & honestly handed the game away lol.
Kobe on the other hand didn't even hit the rim at the end of regulation; if that was LeBron & the game wasn't tied, he would never hear the end of it. Then in OT Kobe kicked it out to Pau to take a three (great mentality lol) after driving. Something NIK has criticized Bron for doing in the past.
You're seeing Kobe in the Mike Brown system. I can't hate on Kobe, but all I'm saying is he's going to put up big numbers all season because Mike Brown is virtually sitting back & saying "Kobe, do you". Just like he let LeBron do for years.
He simply is not doing what a player of his caliber is expected to do in those situations. There's no reason to over-analyze it. It's simple and plain to see. Like, for instance, Dirk is having a very sub-par season so far. Yet still, he took over in the 4th quarter, knocking down shots, drawing fouls, knocking down the FTs and when the game was tied on the last possession, he drove past former Defensive Player of the Year Kevin Garnett, went to the hoop, drew the double team and the foul and got the And 1, made the FT. Even though he really wasn't having a good game at all. LeBron is younger with a much better physique and more overall talent than Dirk, yet Dirk in an off-game still does this while LeBron did what he did against the Warriors and Clippers. That's the difference.
LeBron wasn't always like that, though. He did hit game-winners and took over games in the 4th when he was a Cav.
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Derrick Rose
i like when players have 0% but got a vote in the thread lol
lol ? LOL ????? :loser: :camp:
go suck lebron's cock and stfu.
? cuz i voted for lebron and told you to vote for rose and said "lol" im gay.
this fat mexican right here is hilarious.
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^No shit-talking on LeBron being horrible in the 4th and OT against the Clippers? :D
I don't see why. The Heat as a team shot awfully combined in both the 4th & OT. The Big 3 hit just three shots in both quarters. The Heat just played terrible & still took a team people have in the top three in the West to OT & honestly handed the game away lol.
Kobe on the other hand didn't even hit the rim at the end of regulation; if that was LeBron & the game wasn't tied, he would never hear the end of it. Then in OT Kobe kicked it out to Pau to take a three (great mentality lol) after driving. Something NIK has criticized Bron for doing in the past.
You're seeing Kobe in the Mike Brown system. I can't hate on Kobe, but all I'm saying is he's going to put up big numbers all season because Mike Brown is virtually sitting back & saying "Kobe, do you". Just like he let LeBron do for years.
He simply is not doing what a player of his caliber is expected to do in those situations. There's no reason to over-analyze it. It's simple and plain to see. Like, for instance, Dirk is having a very sub-par season so far. Yet still, he took over in the 4th quarter, knocking down shots, drawing fouls, knocking down the FTs and when the game was tied on the last possession, he drove past former Defensive Player of the Year Kevin Garnett, went to the hoop, drew the double team and the foul and got the And 1, made the FT. Even though he really wasn't having a good game at all. LeBron is younger with a much better physique and more overall talent than Dirk, yet Dirk in an off-game still does this while LeBron did what he did against the Warriors and Clippers. That's the difference.
LeBron wasn't always like that, though. He did hit game-winners and took over games in the 4th when he was a Cav.
i understand saying that about Lebron but Wade usually does his best in the clutch and wins games at the end ???
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^No shit-talking on LeBron being horrible in the 4th and OT against the Clippers? :D
I don't see why. The Heat as a team shot awfully combined in both the 4th & OT. The Big 3 hit just three shots in both quarters. The Heat just played terrible & still took a team people have in the top three in the West to OT & honestly handed the game away lol.
Kobe on the other hand didn't even hit the rim at the end of regulation; if that was LeBron & the game wasn't tied, he would never hear the end of it. Then in OT Kobe kicked it out to Pau to take a three (great mentality lol) after driving. Something NIK has criticized Bron for doing in the past.
You're seeing Kobe in the Mike Brown system. I can't hate on Kobe, but all I'm saying is he's going to put up big numbers all season because Mike Brown is virtually sitting back & saying "Kobe, do you". Just like he let LeBron do for years.
He simply is not doing what a player of his caliber is expected to do in those situations. There's no reason to over-analyze it. It's simple and plain to see. Like, for instance, Dirk is having a very sub-par season so far. Yet still, he took over in the 4th quarter, knocking down shots, drawing fouls, knocking down the FTs and when the game was tied on the last possession, he drove past former Defensive Player of the Year Kevin Garnett, went to the hoop, drew the double team and the foul and got the And 1, made the FT. Even though he really wasn't having a good game at all. LeBron is younger with a much better physique and more overall talent than Dirk, yet Dirk in an off-game still does this while LeBron did what he did against the Warriors and Clippers. That's the difference.
LeBron wasn't always like that, though. He did hit game-winners and took over games in the 4th when he was a Cav.
really, though, cham is the only kid in the world who is dumb enough to play down lebron's typical chokejob, followed up by shitting on kobe after the games last night, smh.
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^No shit-talking on LeBron being horrible in the 4th and OT against the Clippers? :D
I don't see why. The Heat as a team shot awfully combined in both the 4th & OT. The Big 3 hit just three shots in both quarters. The Heat just played terrible & still took a team people have in the top three in the West to OT & honestly handed the game away lol.
Kobe on the other hand didn't even hit the rim at the end of regulation; if that was LeBron & the game wasn't tied, he would never hear the end of it. Then in OT Kobe kicked it out to Pau to take a three (great mentality lol) after driving. Something NIK has criticized Bron for doing in the past.
You're seeing Kobe in the Mike Brown system. I can't hate on Kobe, but all I'm saying is he's going to put up big numbers all season because Mike Brown is virtually sitting back & saying "Kobe, do you". Just like he let LeBron do for years.
He simply is not doing what a player of his caliber is expected to do in those situations. There's no reason to over-analyze it. It's simple and plain to see. Like, for instance, Dirk is having a very sub-par season so far. Yet still, he took over in the 4th quarter, knocking down shots, drawing fouls, knocking down the FTs and when the game was tied on the last possession, he drove past former Defensive Player of the Year Kevin Garnett, went to the hoop, drew the double team and the foul and got the And 1, made the FT. Even though he really wasn't having a good game at all. .
Whisky, Whisky , Bitch I'm Dirk Nowitzki
Hoes on my dick coz I look like Dirk Nowitzki
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^No shit-talking on LeBron being horrible in the 4th and OT against the Clippers? :D
I don't see why. The Heat as a team shot awfully combined in both the 4th & OT. The Big 3 hit just three shots in both quarters. The Heat just played terrible & still took a team people have in the top three in the West to OT & honestly handed the game away lol.
Kobe on the other hand didn't even hit the rim at the end of regulation; if that was LeBron & the game wasn't tied, he would never hear the end of it. Then in OT Kobe kicked it out to Pau to take a three (great mentality lol) after driving. Something NIK has criticized Bron for doing in the past.
You're seeing Kobe in the Mike Brown system. I can't hate on Kobe, but all I'm saying is he's going to put up big numbers all season because Mike Brown is virtually sitting back & saying "Kobe, do you". Just like he let LeBron do for years.
He simply is not doing what a player of his caliber is expected to do in those situations. There's no reason to over-analyze it. It's simple and plain to see. Like, for instance, Dirk is having a very sub-par season so far. Yet still, he took over in the 4th quarter, knocking down shots, drawing fouls, knocking down the FTs and when the game was tied on the last possession, he drove past former Defensive Player of the Year Kevin Garnett, went to the hoop, drew the double team and the foul and got the And 1, made the FT. Even though he really wasn't having a good game at all. LeBron is younger with a much better physique and more overall talent than Dirk, yet Dirk in an off-game still does this while LeBron did what he did against the Warriors and Clippers. That's the difference.
LeBron wasn't always like that, though. He did hit game-winners and took over games in the 4th when he was a Cav.
i understand saying that about Lebron but Wade usually does his best in the clutch and wins games at the end ???
They take each other's rhythm away. Somebody explained it today. Late in games they all look at each other. LeBron takes a shot. Next possession they say, "okay Wade, your turn". Wade misses. Then Bosh takes an 18 foot jumper. Then they go back to LeBron who hasn't touched it in two possessions. They only way they'll succeed is if someone steps up to just take those shots. LeBron actually took some shots in OT. He just missed some shots in the post, mostly double teamed down there. That's where he has to find Wade or Bosh & have them hit shots.
I just find it funny that Wade didn't do shit last night either, but LeBron is the only conversation. I've completely given up on looking at NIK like he can hold a basketball conversation. I mean, dude is still talking about his burning passion love for me. So 7even, I'm basically only talking to you lol. But I agree Dirk is better in the clutch. But like Ray said, it's not like Wade is doing something. All Wade is doing is taking him out of his rhythm & vice versa. Dirk & Kobe have situations where all they have to say is give me the ball right now & I'll try to hit shots. However, at the same time, Dirk was known as a choke artist during the prime of his career. So you of all people should understand "choke" is just "what have you done for me lately?".
But the media & conversations about the NBA are strictly "what have you done for me lately". Just like wcsoldier was shitting on Kobe a week ago for missing shot after shot & the media was questioning Kobe's wrist & if the Lakers would finish towards the top of the West. Now he's on a tear & it's like "Wow, this guy is incredible". So technically all LeBron has to do is hit two game winners in a row & he's the "greatest" lol.
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^No shit-talking on LeBron being horrible in the 4th and OT against the Clippers? :D
I don't see why. The Heat as a team shot awfully combined in both the 4th & OT. The Big 3 hit just three shots in both quarters. The Heat just played terrible & still took a team people have in the top three in the West to OT & honestly handed the game away lol.
Kobe on the other hand didn't even hit the rim at the end of regulation; if that was LeBron & the game wasn't tied, he would never hear the end of it. Then in OT Kobe kicked it out to Pau to take a three (great mentality lol) after driving. Something NIK has criticized Bron for doing in the past.
You're seeing Kobe in the Mike Brown system. I can't hate on Kobe, but all I'm saying is he's going to put up big numbers all season because Mike Brown is virtually sitting back & saying "Kobe, do you". Just like he let LeBron do for years.
He simply is not doing what a player of his caliber is expected to do in those situations. There's no reason to over-analyze it. It's simple and plain to see. Like, for instance, Dirk is having a very sub-par season so far. Yet still, he took over in the 4th quarter, knocking down shots, drawing fouls, knocking down the FTs and when the game was tied on the last possession, he drove past former Defensive Player of the Year Kevin Garnett, went to the hoop, drew the double team and the foul and got the And 1, made the FT. Even though he really wasn't having a good game at all. LeBron is younger with a much better physique and more overall talent than Dirk, yet Dirk in an off-game still does this while LeBron did what he did against the Warriors and Clippers. That's the difference.
LeBron wasn't always like that, though. He did hit game-winners and took over games in the 4th when he was a Cav.
i understand saying that about Lebron but Wade usually does his best in the clutch and wins games at the end ???
They take each other's rhythm away. Somebody explained it today. Late in games they all look at each other. LeBron takes a shot. Next possession they say, "okay Wade, your turn". Wade misses. Then Bosh takes an 18 foot jumper. Then they go back to LeBron who hasn't touched it in two possessions. They only way they'll succeed is if someone steps up to just take those shots. LeBron actually took some shots in OT. He just missed some shots in the post, mostly double teamed down there. That's where he has to find Wade or Bosh & have them hit shots.
I just find it funny that Wade didn't do shit last night either, but LeBron is the only conversation. I've completely given up on looking at NIK like he can hold a basketball conversation. I mean, dude is still talking about his burning passion love for me. So 7even, I'm basically only talking to you lol. But I agree Dirk is better in the clutch. But like Ray said, it's not like Wade is doing something. All Wade is doing is taking him out of his rhythm & vice versa. Dirk & Kobe have situations where all they have to say is give me the ball right now & I'll try to hit shots. However, at the same time, Dirk was known as a choke artist during the prime of his career. So you of all people should understand "choke" is just "what have you done for me lately?".
But the media & conversations about the NBA are strictly "what have you done for me lately". Just like wcsoldier was shitting on Kobe a week ago for missing shot after shot & the media was questioning Kobe's wrist & if the Lakers would finish towards the top of the West. Now he's on a tear & it's like "Wow, this guy is incredible". So technically all LeBron has to do is hit two game winners in a row & he's the "greatest" lol.
i think everyone here will agree that i am much more knowledgeable in the sport of basketball than you are, my boy....even my haters.
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Derrick Rose
i like when players have 0% but got a vote in the thread lol
lol ? LOL ????? :loser: :camp:
go suck lebron's cock and stfu.
? cuz i voted for lebron and told you to vote for rose and said "lol" im gay.
this fat mexican right here is hilarious.
fat mexican ? you're dumb as hell
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See, son doesn't even wanna talk sports. He just wants people online to think he's cool. It's truly remarkable.
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Derrick Rose
i like when players have 0% but got a vote in the thread lol
lol ? LOL ????? :loser: :camp:
go suck lebron's cock and stfu.
? cuz i voted for lebron and told you to vote for rose and said "lol" im gay.
this fat mexican right here is hilarious.
fat mexican ? you're dumb as hell
lol who the fuck are you? lebron shut down rose in the playoffs last year and everybody knows rose won MVP cuz they didnt wanna give it to Lebron three times.
You seriously went off on me cuz i told you to vote. it is hilarious. yes i called you a fat mexican because only time i've ever heard of you is that picture.
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^No shit-talking on LeBron being horrible in the 4th and OT against the Clippers? :D
I don't see why. The Heat as a team shot awfully combined in both the 4th & OT. The Big 3 hit just three shots in both quarters. The Heat just played terrible & still took a team people have in the top three in the West to OT & honestly handed the game away lol.
Kobe on the other hand didn't even hit the rim at the end of regulation; if that was LeBron & the game wasn't tied, he would never hear the end of it. Then in OT Kobe kicked it out to Pau to take a three (great mentality lol) after driving. Something NIK has criticized Bron for doing in the past.
You're seeing Kobe in the Mike Brown system. I can't hate on Kobe, but all I'm saying is he's going to put up big numbers all season because Mike Brown is virtually sitting back & saying "Kobe, do you". Just like he let LeBron do for years.
He simply is not doing what a player of his caliber is expected to do in those situations. There's no reason to over-analyze it. It's simple and plain to see. Like, for instance, Dirk is having a very sub-par season so far. Yet still, he took over in the 4th quarter, knocking down shots, drawing fouls, knocking down the FTs and when the game was tied on the last possession, he drove past former Defensive Player of the Year Kevin Garnett, went to the hoop, drew the double team and the foul and got the And 1, made the FT. Even though he really wasn't having a good game at all. LeBron is younger with a much better physique and more overall talent than Dirk, yet Dirk in an off-game still does this while LeBron did what he did against the Warriors and Clippers. That's the difference.
LeBron wasn't always like that, though. He did hit game-winners and took over games in the 4th when he was a Cav.
in meaningless games, and hardly at all, and dude cannot do take over games or hit clutch shots consistently.
i can't count how many of those moments kobe had in his FIRST 5 years.
lebron just isn't that type of player. u can't count on him to take the last shot, i mean if i were spolestra ill rather have bosh take the last shot (no it wasn't because of that one shot he took to go into over time, I've been saying this ever since, and bosh is a known natural shooter while wade and lebron are not) wade also, but wade just isn't a natural shooter so i wouldn't have 100 % confidence in him taking the last shot either.
every players different and has their own skill set, we need to stop comparing lebron to kobe or magic or jordan, because he just isn't the same type of player. will he be considered among the greatest to ever play? yes, is he going to be considered in THE best player conversation? no.
with that said the best players in the NBA ( i am taking stats into consideration but u all know it only tells the quarter of the story)
1. Black Mamba
2. Durantula
3. D. Rose
its hardly believable that the heat are losing games, i know i never held them high just because i thought they were little whores for joining forces, but with the amount of talent they have esp with all of the 3 being in their primes, they shouldn't be struggling even in a shortened compressed season.
i mean i don't like how their team is built (2 perimeter players, and 1 face up PF that used to be a stretch forward, same goes for the knicks 2 face up forwards? cmon are dudes idiots these days? celtics was much more different, they knew what they were doing, they got 3 future HOFers that were passed their prime but just good enough to compete and they were diverse, much more diverse than the big 3 in miami or the 2 in the knicks)
but it still doesn't give them an excuse, with the talent they have they should be 56-10. id assume they would improve some what, but when i see the games i juz see the same old bullshit.
howard + wade, howard + rose, howard + lebron, howard + melo. those 2 combos are better than miamis big 3 and the knicks. they need a legit big man not another wing player thats going to have to share the ball, share to get in rhythm, etc etc.
and in no way I'm putting howard on a pedestal, i can be the best center in the league right now, but dude is light years away from shaq, hakeem, wilt, yao. i cant believe he still doesn't have an offense. but its much better than having a PF that just wants to shoot j's all day.
mitch knows how to build a team, considering he tried to get cp3 because we're in dire need of a good guard that can penetrate and make plays.
memphis, thunders, built good teams, but lets see how they maintain them, memphis needs mayo, i don't know why they want to ship him, who da hell else is gonna give them a punch off the bench? let alone hit clutch shots. what get a new cheaper player with less talent that has to get familiar with the system? its stupid. and I'm glad nobody took mayo because i always liked memphis ever since gay joined the team.
blazers i give them kudos for building a team and maintaining with all the injuries, they surpassed everyones expectations.
but the heat? knicks? i mean I'm just a fan and these dudes get paid 6 figures to a million building these teams, but its retarded, i know its a business also but ur going to sacrifice winning for marketing? i mean wouldn't winning give u more marketing?
retarded.
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^I don't see how you can possibly say Rose is the third best player in the NBA when LeBron completely shut him down in the fourth in the playoffs last year.
Besides your Laker/Kobe bias, the only other reason LeBron isn't in your top three is because of last year in the Finals. But Rose probably had worse 4th quarters against LeBron than LeBron had against the Mavs. So your logic is flawed.
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^I don't see how you can possibly say Rose is the third best player in the NBA when LeBron completely shut him down in the fourth in the playoffs last year.
we are talking about this year or last year ? ::)
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Derrick Rose
i like when players have 0% but got a vote in the thread lol
lol ? LOL ????? :loser: :camp:
go suck lebron's cock and stfu.
? cuz i voted for lebron and told you to vote for rose and said "lol" im gay.
this fat mexican right here is hilarious.
fat mexican ? you're dumb as hell
lol who the fuck are you? lebron shut down rose in the playoffs last year and everybody knows rose won MVP cuz they didnt wanna give it to Lebron three times.
You seriously went off on me cuz i told you to vote. it is hilarious. yes i called you a fat mexican because only time i've ever heard of you is that picture.
how old are you ? 13 or 14 ? WHOTHEFUCKKKAREYOU? :D
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^I don't see how you can possibly say Rose is the third best player in the NBA when LeBron completely shut him down in the fourth in the playoffs last year.
we are talking about this year or last year ? ::)
We're only a few games into this years season and they haven't played each other at all this season so there's not much else to go by except last year.
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Kenny Smith just broke it down. LOL, so funny. Kobe was 2-8 in OT. Final two minutes, they broke it down. He had one good possession which was his last good field goal & two pretty bad ones before that. Then missed the final shot of regulation.
Against Utah, by the way.
Law of averages, my friends. Eventually one of them have to go down when you're as good as the elite players in the world.
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Kenny Smith just broke it down. LOL, so funny. Kobe was 2-8 in OT. Final two minutes, they broke it down. He had one good possession which was his last good field goal & two pretty bad ones before that. Then missed the final shot of regulation.
Against Utah, by the way.
Law of averages, my friends. Eventually one of them have to go down when you're as good as the elite players in the world.
LOL...how do u have the nerve to try n diss kobe after he just broke the NBA record for most points after 16 seasons, and just put up 40+ back-to-back...no one can ever take u seriously if u gunna talk kobe down after the last two games. not like they'd take u seriously either way, but thats just dumb. if u watched the game and didnt just repeat what u heard on TV, u would know Kobe carried the team on his shoulders all the way through. now his performance somehow wasn't amazing because he missed some shots in overtime (2 of which he got fouled on, btw) ?? get the fuck outa here...he drew the defense and made the clutch plays down the stretch. dude's not human and ur ridiculous for tryna talk him down after the last two games.
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Like I said, talking to you is irrelevant.
However, I was talking last two minutes; not the game as a whole.. Because don't act like if LeBron scored 87, but lost the game on a time expiring three, you wouldn't say he isn't good & isn't clutch lmao.
Above all, lol @ you crying in defense. You repeated yourself about "talking down" to him like four times in on paragraph! :laugh:
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Like I said, talking to you is irrelevant.
However, I was talking last two minutes; not the game as a whole.. Because don't act like if LeBron scored 87, but lost the game on a time expiring three, you wouldn't say he isn't good & isn't clutch lmao.
Above all, lol @ you crying in defense. You repeated yourself about "talking down" to him like four times in on paragraph! :laugh:
only thing is, we didnt lose the game...if we did, u mighta had a point. but we won, kobe's been beastin, and ur soundin like a complete bitch who's mad because kobe's doing good, while ur idol, lebron, is living up to his usual choke-artist standards.
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Like I said, talking to you is irrelevant.
However, I was talking last two minutes; not the game as a whole.. Because don't act like if LeBron scored 87, but lost the game on a time expiring three, you wouldn't say he isn't good & isn't clutch lmao.
Above all, lol @ you crying in defense. You repeated yourself about "talking down" to him like four times in on paragraph! :laugh:
only thing is, we didnt lose the game...if we did, u mighta had a point. but we won, kobe's been beastin, and ur soundin like a complete bitch who's mad because kobe's doing good, while ur idol, lebron, is living up to his usual choke-artist standards.
From what I'm told, the regular season means shit, so I'm not going to sweat it. I was just pointing out, Kobe shot like shit at the end of the game. Yet we only talk about it when he wins. It's all media perception.
With that said, Kobe is playing like a monster in recent games. However, doesn't take away he played like shit late in the game.
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Like I said, talking to you is irrelevant.
However, I was talking last two minutes; not the game as a whole.. Because don't act like if LeBron scored 87, but lost the game on a time expiring three, you wouldn't say he isn't good & isn't clutch lmao.
Above all, lol @ you crying in defense. You repeated yourself about "talking down" to him like four times in on paragraph! :laugh:
only thing is, we didnt lose the game...if we did, u mighta had a point. but we won, kobe's been beastin, and ur soundin like a complete bitch who's mad because kobe's doing good, while ur idol, lebron, is living up to his usual choke-artist standards.
From what I'm told, the regular season means shit, so I'm not going to sweat it. I was just pointing out, Kobe shot like shit at the end of the game. Yet we only talk about it when he wins. It's all media perception.
With that said, Kobe is playing like a monster in recent games. However, doesn't take away he played like shit late in the game.
explain how he played like shit if he had the ball in his hands on every possession and we won...because he missed some shots? lmao. u sound dumber than usual right now. kobe's play was the reason we won. even in overtime, he drew the double teams n dished it out to wide-open gasol, then he made the clutch three, then he drew 4 defenders and bynum had the easy tip in...kobe, just being on the court, being the presence that he is, and being as good as he is on the perimeter+offa the dribble, draws so much attention that any time the ball is in his hands, he's creating opportunities for others. if it was lebron, he most likely woulda choked and lost the game. not saying kobe hasnt had moments where he lost the game....but it happens a lot less with kobe and a whole lot more with lebron. period.
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^LOL, so what you're saying is Kobe is "clutch" just by being on the court? You define clutch by hitting shots. Kobe shot 2-8. Unclutch, no? You define LeBron "dishing it to a wide open 'Gasol'" as "deferring". Can we get some solid, stable definitions here? Because they seem to change depending on who we're talking about.
Your definition here is weaker than your statement of "If you get called out on the internet & don't show, you're a pussy". Then you don't show & say "Except when I do it".
You & your exceptions. You know nothing.
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cham, ur such a faggot, bru...straight up. LOL
kobe is clutch because he wins...lebron is not clutch cuz he loses. what dont u get, gaytard?
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cham, ur such a faggot, bru...straight up. LOL
kobe is clutch because he wins...lebron is not clutch cuz he loses. what dont u get, gaytard?
Yeah, let's go personal because you don't know what you're talking about lol.
That's exactly my point. Thank you. You actually do get it. Kobe is ONLY clutch because he wins & LeBron is only "not clutch" because he loses. Clutch isn't real. It's just a title given to a winner. If "Gasol" hits the three when LeBron "defers" in the 4th, LeBron is "clutch".
I think mentally retarded handicapped children have more perception of reality than you do.
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Clutch isn't real.
VVV
. But I agree Dirk is better in the clutch.
smfh
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Clutch isn't real.
VVV
. But I agree Dirk is better in the clutch.
smfh
I meant in terms of what we're calling clutch, "hitting shots late in the game". He's more aggressive (takes more shots), so naturally he's going to hit more shots (due to the average of great players eventually hitting shots), THEREFORE, he is MORE "clutch" (hitting shots late in the game) than LeBron. But in reality there is no such thing. It's just for idiots like you to feed into the hype of the moment & think you're witnessing beyond human events. Can't blame sports for promoting it if people fall for it.
You're still dodging everything else; how you change definition based on LeBron or Kobe. Another L in your column.
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Clutch isn't real.
VVV
. But I agree Dirk is better in the clutch.
smfh
I meant in terms of what we're calling clutch, "hitting shots late in the game". He's more aggressive (takes more shots), so naturally he's going to hit more shots (due to the average of great players eventually hitting shots), THEREFORE, he is MORE "clutch" (hitting shots late in the game) than LeBron. But in reality there is no such thing. It's just for idiots like you to feed into the hype of the moment & think you're witnessing beyond human events. Can't blame sports for promoting it if people fall for it.
You're still dodging everything else; how you change definition based on LeBron or Kobe. Another L in your column.
lol...how can u even try coming back with a reply after that sonning? u a lost cause, kiddo...u'll go on and on not matter how bad i keep shitting on u. when i argue with u, i feel like i'm somehow lowering my standards of life. really, i'm not just saying this. i feel like less of a person for arguing with someone as stupid as u...i dunno why i do it, i guess outa habbit. but even if u weren't a faggot, i would hate u soley based on how stupid u were. the gayness just adds to it. anyways, enough...i dont even need to shit on u. u shit on yourself. carry on:
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I'm talking about ball. You're talking about winning arguments. You know nothing. You can't defend how you keep changing your mind on what the standards of "clutch" & "unclutch" & "deferring" & "creating" are & look like a complete herb, so you change the topic to something unrelated to basketball.
Pathetic excuse for a human being.
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http://twitter.com/#!/BrothaLynchHung/status/154599545462984704 (http://twitter.com/#!/BrothaLynchHung/status/154599545462984704)
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^I don't see how you can possibly say Rose is the third best player in the NBA when LeBron completely shut him down in the fourth in the playoffs last year.
Besides your Laker/Kobe bias, the only other reason LeBron isn't in your top three is because of last year in the Finals. But Rose probably had worse 4th quarters against LeBron than LeBron had against the Mavs. So your logic is flawed.
I say roses is better because how much he was a factor in his first year, wow that celtics and bulls series was legendary, giving the former champs a run like that, no doubt it gave rose a confidence boost and it molded him to the player today, rose is ,multiple steps behind iverson who took a whole franchise on his back to the finals, but rose in a sense is in the same boat, there was the big 3 in Miami, Boston,!considerably the big 4 in LA, etc etc, ain't nobody that was a bulls fan or aknowledged what rose did would think they get this far.
He didnt bust an AI but he far achieved what was expected, I mean lebron faced detroit ( they were a dope team), but damn sure didnt face Any kind of bug three in the eastern conference, rose put up a legit fight, IMO and i truely believe if rose were in lebrons spot he wouldn't of gotten swept by the spurs.
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The biggest differences between Kobe and Lebron in the clutch :
1) Kobe isn't hidding himself , not scared about the moment
2) Kobe makes his FTs , Lebron has missed Fts for years down the stretch ... yersterday he missed 4 in the last 5 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf-ttr0edi4&feature=player_embedded LOL
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this video right here pretty much sums up both players:
http://www.youtube.com/v/phxbMdmZ6ko#t=17s
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in meaningless games, and hardly at all, and dude cannot do take over games or hit clutch shots consistently.
Seriously? He did score like 23 of his team's last 24 scored points in a pivotal playoff game against the team to beat in the East. If Kobe did that, you'd still be talking about it. With LeBron, you forgot it or called it meaningless lmao. He also had a buzzer beating 3-pointer with his team being down by 2 in another playoff game. And he generally did score points as a Cav in close games in the 4th. He never was like Bryant, trying to win the game even when he was cold and shit, but he sure as hell wasn't as awkward in the 4th as he's been with the Heat. It's clearly about him and Wade coexisting that is the issue here. He's been BALLIN' when Wade was in a suit at the sidelines this season.
i can't count how many of those moments kobe had in his FIRST 5 years.
Kobe never had a Top 3 Wing player playing with him. Kobe had the most dominant big man in the game being triple teamed in the paint.
lebron just isn't that type of player. u can't count on him to take the last shot, i mean if i were spolestra ill rather have bosh take the last shot (no it wasn't because of that one shot he took to go into over time, I've been saying this ever since, and bosh is a known natural shooter while wade and lebron are not) wade also, but wade just isn't a natural shooter so i wouldn't have 100 % confidence in him taking the last shot either.
I agree to an extend, and they actually did the right thing in losing their unreliable 3pt shots. They should drive to the hoop, and kick it out to Bosh for an open mid range shot, or lay it in or go to the line. But they sure as hell should do stop with those awkward contested long 2s with no moves ahead of the release like they frequently did last year.
its hardly believable that the heat are losing games, i know i never held them high just because i thought they were little whores for joining forces, but with the amount of talent they have esp with all of the 3 being in their primes, they shouldn't be struggling even in a shortened compressed season.
I get what you mean, but it's still funny how people who can't stop pointing out how they really aren't Bird Magic and Jordan and how they suck and shit would then turn around and call them out over not winning every game lmfao.
and in no way I'm putting howard on a pedestal, i can be the best center in the league right now, but dude is light years away from shaq, hakeem, wilt, yao. i cant believe he still doesn't have an offense. but its much better than having a PF that just wants to shoot j's all day.
LMFAO. Did you just say that Howard "is light years away from YAO? ... Chink bonus or what? 20 points on almost 60% shooting is pretty good for someone who doesn't have an offense.
but the heat? knicks? i mean I'm just a fan and these dudes get paid 6 figures to a million building these teams, but its retarded, i know its a business also but ur going to sacrifice winning for marketing? i mean wouldn't winning give u more marketing?
Not true. The Mavs won it all last year and still have less "marketing" and attention than the Lakers, Heat or Knicks. Even less than the Clippers. So basically: You're talking nonsense here.
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Derrick Rose
i like when players have 0% but got a vote in the thread lol
lol ? LOL ????? :loser: :camp:
go suck lebron's cock and stfu.
? cuz i voted for lebron and told you to vote for rose and said "lol" im gay.
this fat mexican right here is hilarious.
fat mexican ? you're dumb as hell
lol who the fuck are you? lebron shut down rose in the playoffs last year and everybody knows rose won MVP cuz they didnt wanna give it to Lebron three times.
You seriously went off on me cuz i told you to vote. it is hilarious. yes i called you a fat mexican because only time i've ever heard of you is that picture.
how old are you ? 13 or 14 ? WHOTHEFUCKKKAREYOU? :D
alot older than that. ill say that. but i dont know why someone who gets pissed off at being told to vote would think they are the older mature one.
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^I don't see how you can possibly say Rose is the third best player in the NBA when LeBron completely shut him down in the fourth in the playoffs last year.
we are talking about this year or last year ? ::)
you don't take away the playoffs last year for the discussion of best player in the NBA this far into the season. last season most def still is a part of this discussion. there is more factors than what they have done in 10 games or so.
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So far, what I see in this thread is three Laker fans defending Kobe. Now it could be a coincidence...but no, it's not a fucking coincidence lol.
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The Nik/Cham beef is only a notch below the Madsen/Ill Will for most annoying beef on here.
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http://twitter.com/#!/BrothaLynchHung/status/154599545462984704 (http://twitter.com/#!/BrothaLynchHung/status/154599545462984704)
well i do usually look for brotha lynch hung to tell me what i up in basketball....
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http://twitter.com/#!/BrothaLynchHung/status/154599545462984704 (http://twitter.com/#!/BrothaLynchHung/status/154599545462984704)
well i do usually look for brotha lynch hung to tell me what i up in basketball....
just adding to the discussion, brodie..
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. He never was like Bryant, trying to win the game even when he was cold and shit, but he sure as hell wasn't as awkward in the 4th as he's been with the Heat.
what do u mean? he's had good moments, no doubt, but overall, he's always been known as a choke artist....on Team USA, during the epic choke-job in the Boston-Cleveland series.....LeBron was coined LeChoke way before he ever landed in Miami.
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. He never was like Bryant, trying to win the game even when he was cold and shit, but he sure as hell wasn't as awkward in the 4th as he's been with the Heat.
what do u mean? he's had good moments, no doubt, but overall, he's always been known as a choke artist....on Team USA, during the epic choke-job in the Boston-Cleveland series.....LeBron was coined LeChoke way before he ever landed in Miami.
You just prove your one-sided bias. Because millions of people proclaim him as the best player on the planet too. But they're just wrong lol. Only the people who use the LeChoke term know what's up...lmao.
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Lol... "everyone says he's the best!".... Point proven.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IASvF-AdQa4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgdH_n37usI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I52nezhkyA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq-87eZ9rqw
Yeah, they're all wrong lmao.
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Lol I say that u think lebron is the best because the media forces that idea down ur throat, and what do u do? Smhhhhhhh
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Lol I say that u think lebron is the best because the media forces that idea down ur throat, and what do u do? Smhhhhhhh
He's the best because you can physically see it. He's a point-forward, who controls the offense, can dribble & pass like a point guard, can play defense at an elite level, can score at will & the list goes on. The only thing you have against him is that he hasn't won...yet. But knowing you if he had three rings right now, you'd still come up with something.
You were saying he isn't shit to Kobe before he was called "unclutch". You're just a hater because you're a Kobe stan. That's all there is to it.
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Lol I say that u think lebron is the best because the media forces that idea down ur throat, and what do u do? Smhhhhhhh
He's the best because you can physically see it. He's a point-forward, who controls the offense, can dribble & pass like a point guard, can play defense at an elite level, can score at will & the list goes on. The only thing you have against him is that he hasn't won...yet. But knowing you if he had three rings right now, you'd still come up with something.
You were saying he isn't shit to Kobe before he was called "unclutch". You're just a hater because you're a Kobe stan. That's all there is to it.
Huh? I've been sayin he's unclutch and doesn't have killer instinct since u were in diapers... Check the board history, Youngn
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Lol I say that u think lebron is the best because the media forces that idea down ur throat, and what do u do? Smhhhhhhh
He's the best because you can physically see it. He's a point-forward, who controls the offense, can dribble & pass like a point guard, can play defense at an elite level, can score at will & the list goes on. The only thing you have against him is that he hasn't won...yet. But knowing you if he had three rings right now, you'd still come up with something.
You were saying he isn't shit to Kobe before he was called "unclutch". You're just a hater because you're a Kobe stan. That's all there is to it.
Huh? I've been sayin he's unclutch and doesn't have killer instinct since u were in diapers... Check the board history, Youngn
Well then you said it unconditionally because what "unclutch moment" has he had before that Celtics series a few years back?
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Lol I say that u think lebron is the best because the media forces that idea down ur throat, and what do u do? Smhhhhhhh
He's the best because you can physically see it. He's a point-forward, who controls the offense, can dribble & pass like a point guard, can play defense at an elite level, can score at will & the list goes on. The only thing you have against him is that he hasn't won...yet. But knowing you if he had three rings right now, you'd still come up with something.
You were saying he isn't shit to Kobe before he was called "unclutch". You're just a hater because you're a Kobe stan. That's all there is to it.
Huh? I've been sayin he's unclutch and doesn't have killer instinct since u were in diapers... Check the board history, Youngn
Well then you said it unconditionally because what "unclutch moment" has he had before that Celtics series a few years back?
is that a serious question? first, he had trouble making the playoffs in his first few years...then he got swept by the spurs...then he choked on team USA. etc. etc. how young are u? were u really not around at that time? this lechoke moniker isn't new, son. if u didnt know, ya ass better ask somebody.
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Lol I say that u think lebron is the best because the media forces that idea down ur throat, and what do u do? Smhhhhhhh
He's the best because you can physically see it. He's a point-forward, who controls the offense, can dribble & pass like a point guard, can play defense at an elite level, can score at will & the list goes on. The only thing you have against him is that he hasn't won...yet. But knowing you if he had three rings right now, you'd still come up with something.
You were saying he isn't shit to Kobe before he was called "unclutch". You're just a hater because you're a Kobe stan. That's all there is to it.
Huh? I've been sayin he's unclutch and doesn't have killer instinct since u were in diapers... Check the board history, Youngn
Well then you said it unconditionally because what "unclutch moment" has he had before that Celtics series a few years back?
is that a serious question? first, he had trouble making the playoffs in his first few years...then he got swept by the spurs...then he choked on team USA. etc. etc. how young are u? were u really not around at that time? this lechoke moniker isn't new, son. if u didnt know, ya ass better ask somebody.
It actually surfaced when he lost to Boston lol.
He didn't make the playoffs because he was 19-20 years old, running an NBA franchise alone lol. He got swept by the Spurs because they were by far the best defensive team in the NBA & triple teamed him the entire game. Then when he was forced to pass the ball, it was to Daniel Gibson lmao. That Spurs series was after he, alone beat the defending (I believe) NBA champion Pistons by himself scoring 30 of the Cavs final 32 in the fourth & OT. Him "choking" was that Boston series where he was actually titled as "giving up". You really have no idea what you're talking about..
The lengths you reach is pathetic.
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this lechoke moniker isn't new, son. if u didnt know, ya ass better ask somebody.
It actually surfaced when he lost to Boston lol.
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If he keeps this up I just might have to retire his LeChoke moniker.
this kid just dont know when to stop LOL
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kobe. all the way.
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as for the youngstas ill prob go with rose or kd.
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this lechoke moniker isn't new, son. if u didnt know, ya ass better ask somebody.
It actually surfaced when he lost to Boston lol.
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If he keeps this up I just might have to retire his LeChoke moniker.
this kid just dont know when to stop LOL
It doesn't surprise me a bunch of Laker fans considered the loss to the Spurs a choke, despite the fact, he was alone against the best defense in the league.
You don't talk sports, you're incapable.
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says the kid so young that he thought lechoke was a recent moniker.....do u know what that means? everyone in this section knows more than u.
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says the kid so young that he thought lechoke was a recent moniker.....do u know what that means? everyone in this section knows more than u.
I mean, you're going to sit here & try to defend that LeBron losing to the best defense in the NBA, while being alone, is a "choke" job?
After this game?:
http://www.youtube.com/v/pmH0ot-KtSw
His first "choke" was when he "gave up" against the Celtics. Ever since then the media has played him as "he can't win". Because only in your universe can a guy like that, with a team like that, making the NBA Finals is a "fail" lol. Just like last year in the finals. Before the season started you were one of those niggas who were like, "Naaaaaaa. Not in their first year will they make it." Then they made it & however superseding your expectations, that was a "fail" too. Like I explained to you, but were OUTRAGEOUSLY QUICK to get off of, you have different definitions for things based off of your personal preference of the player. Because you are incapable of holding a conversation without changing the topic when you're getting pushed into that corner.
Like I keep telling you, the last time Kobe had "Daniel Gibson" as his number two man, he finished .500 & got bounced in the first round. The "you know nothing" mechanism to hide your cluelessness got old to me & everyone else you've said it too years & years ago, kid.
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^ If they both represent the illuminati does it matter which one is better?
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^ If they both represent the illuminati does it matter which one is better?
LOL. Not in their world. ;D
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if lebron was part of the illuminati, he woulda won by now....he's just part of an nba hype machine LOL. wishful thinkin, though.
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if lebron was part of the illuminati, he woulda won by now....he's just part of an nba hype machine LOL. wishful thinkin, though.
He definitely gave more hints than any other player in the history of the sport. Probably due to his Jay-Z affiliation.
Look at the sick shit he did before the start of some meaningless, barely televised game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8rSexNF4Ts
You dodged Cham's post, btw. Not saying all of his post are good substance but this particular one hit the nail on the head..
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^He always dodges my posts lol.
But yeah, shit like that is just obvious. Plus I hear you have to make sacrifices in your life in order to achieve such a level of stardom. I mean, I can't say I see it happen every single time to everyone linked to it. But if LeBron had to sacrifice anything, I'd say it was winning & the love of the fans, because although he does have million of fans, he has billions of haters.
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^He always dodges my posts lol.
But yeah, shit like that is just obvious. Plus I hear you have to make sacrifices in your life in order to achieve such a level of stardom. I mean, I can't say I see it happen every single time to everyone linked to it. But if LeBron had to sacrifice anything, I'd say it was winning & the love of the fans, because although he does have million of fans, he has billions of haters.
Kobe probably didn't want that much of it (he's not a media/power whore like some celebrity athletes), then got falsely accused of rape so he knew they ain't nothing to be fucked with, changed his number to show that he finally adapts to their shit, and now that Nike commercial released on youtube on 1/12/2012
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how can u people sit here and say lebron,when he has shown time and time again,that he has still alot of growing up to do..kobe on the other don't have to prove to us shit,he is the man.and the best complete player..Durant infront of lebron.
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if lebron was part of the illuminati, he woulda won by now....he's just part of an nba hype machine LOL. wishful thinkin, though.
He definitely gave more hints than any other player in the history of the sport. Probably due to his Jay-Z affiliation.
Look at the sick shit he did before the start of some meaningless, barely televised game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8rSexNF4Ts
You dodged Cham's post, btw. Not saying all of his post are good substance but this particular one hit the nail on the head..
yea, but he's doing it for show....
anyways, what in his post hit the nail on the head? he's claiming that lebron was only known as a choke in 2008, when it was wayyy before that. people were questioning lebron's demeanor and lack of killer instinct since the day he entered the league. it's not something knew, and claiming otherwise is dumb, which is why the post didn't even warrant a response....everybody uses the detroit game as an example, but what the fuck does that matter? many NBA all-starts have had great games where they took over....that's not what determines the ALL-TIME greats though. lebron, simply put, has never shown that he has what it takes to carry a team to the promise land....and cham brought up last year as an example for why lebron isn't a choke, cuz he "led the heat to the finals"...lmao, and what did lebron do last year? CHOKE IN THE MOST IMPORTANT GAMES OF HIS CAREER. come on, 7even...u know damn well that bs didn't warrant a response.
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1. No show. You just hate reality because you live in fantasy land here.
2. LeBron didn't do anything "choke" label worthy since 2008. "People questioned his instincts the day he got drafted". Yeah, people like you, who were sick of hearing about "The next MJ" when the kid was in high school & you sat there like "MY HERO KOBE IS ALREADY BETTER THAN MJ!" lmao. Other than Laker/Kobe fans, who could you possibly question an eighteen year old kids "instincts" before he's even played a game. That reach just proves how dumb you really fucking are lol.
3. Enough with that "ALL-TIME GREATS CAN...". All all-time greats do are be part of super championship teams with talent from top to bottom. Name me a team with one man on it...really, bro. You're reaching. LeBron is in that situation now in Miami, but for seven years in Cleveland, no shot. Just look at the last ten years, herb. Kobe & Shaq. Duncan, Robinson, Parker, Manu. Billups, Rip, Tayshaun, Rasheed, Wallace. Wade & Shaq.
4. Stop dodging the point of it. You always do it, like it's out of habit or something. You just ignore the actual point & argue something else. Bottom line, before October 26th last year you said the Heat wouldn't get the Finals in their first year. They got there. Now explain how that is a fail. They did better than you thought they would.
5. Now you just twisted my words. I didn't say LeBron last year wasn't a "choke" (despite the fact that Jeff Van Gundy agrees with me, that 22, 7 & 7 is out of this world numbers lmao). I just questioned you on how you call making the Finals a fail for the Miami Heat as a team.
You know absolutely nothing about sports.
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still Lebron
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If he doesn't play like a role player in the playoffs..
LMAO