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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: ZILLA THA GOODFELLA on February 16, 2003, 01:17:55 PM
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I mean look @ songs like "If I Can't" on 50's album.....
It says Produced by Dre.....
but then it says Keyboards, Drums & Bass by: Mike Elizondo.....
I mean wtf? Producing is making a beat.....It is VERY different than mixing tha beat.....
I just don't get what dre actually does.....shit is lame.
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hmmm. I always looked at it as him being sort of like a composer of a symphony. he doesn't play all the instruments but he directs them and tells them what to do. how he wants it, how fast or slow he wants it, and how many beats in measures. that's what it takes to be producer with Live Instruments. it would be different if you were someone like Fred Wreck who is mostly computer type future sounds. Quik is the same way with Live Instruments and Warren G as well.
I guess. I could be wrong.
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Nah, man, what's lame is that you don't know what a producer is, then slam one of the true ones in rap. Producer: See Quincy Jones, that's all I gotta say. A producer PRODUCES the record, he makes it happen, gets it done. That doesn't mean he plays all the instruments, what you crazy?
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I mean look @ songs like "If I Can't" on 50's album.....
It says Produced by Dre.....
but then it says Keyboards, Drums & Bass by: Mike Elizondo.....
I mean wtf? Producing is making a beat.....It is VERY different than mixing tha beat.....
I just don't get what dre actually does.....shit is lame.
Yo, this is EXACTLY what I've been thinking for years.
PEACE.
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Nah, man, what's lame is that you don't know what a producer is, then slam one of the true ones in rap. Producer: See Quincy Jones, that's all I gotta say. A producer PRODUCES the record, he makes it happen, gets it done. That doesn't mean he plays all the instruments, what you crazy?
Ok cool, But Dre tends to STEAL. Ask Daz, Scott Storch & fuck knows who else. He doesn't always do anything at all and gets credit.
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I mean look @ songs like "If I Can't" on 50's album.....
It says Produced by Dre.....
but then it says Keyboards, Drums & Bass by: Mike Elizondo.....
I mean wtf? Producing is making a beat.....It is VERY different than mixing tha beat.....
I just don't get what dre actually does.....shit is lame.
everything comes out of dres head man everyone jumps on dre but wen hes got an album out then its different
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Produced by Dre means the beat is gunna be dope...PeACe
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Produced by Dre means the beat is gunna be dope...PeACe
word.....thats the best answer
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Nah, man, what's lame is that you don't know what a producer is, then slam one of the true ones in rap. Producer: See Quincy Jones, that's all I gotta say. A producer PRODUCES the record, he makes it happen, gets it done. That doesn't mean he plays all the instruments, what you crazy?
exactly.....if its so easy to do then let Mike Elizondo do everything.......let him be the producer.....shit just dont work that way....dre brings it together how he wants it...
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Produced by Dre means the beat is gunna be dope...PeACe
AMEN!!
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It means... P-R-O-D-U-C-E-D by Dr Dre... what else do u think it means ?llol
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It means... P-R-O-D-U-C-E-D by Dr Dre... what else do u think it means ?llol
Yuk-Yuk-Yuk <-----comic book laugh ;D
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it means Mike Elizondo made the sounds, and dre just flipped em and made a beat
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i think hip hop fans have traditionally had a twisted view of what a producer actually does, myself included until i learned and read up about it.
A producer oversees the whole making of a song from start to finish. He organizes the musicians, says what direction the song will take, often has a say in the theme of the song etc and is present in the studio to direct the vocalists. Then they are responsible for the sequencing of the track and shit like that.
In any form of music, the producer very rarely plays the instruments. if you look at the Red Hot Chili Peppers last record for instance, the group play all the instruments themselves, but Rick Rubin produced the album.
So basically, the producer directs and oversees the song, which involves a lot more than just making a beat. Hope that clears it up.
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i think hip hop fans have traditionally had a twisted view of what a producer actually does, myself included until i learned and read up about it.
A producer oversees the whole making of a song from start to finish. He organizes the musicians, says what direction the song will take, often has a say in the theme of the song etc and is present in the studio to direct the vocalists. Then they are responsible for the sequencing of the track and shit like that.
In any form of music, the producer very rarely plays the instruments. if you look at the Red Hot Chili Peppers last record for instance, the group play all the instruments themselves, but Rick Rubin produced the album.
So basically, the producer directs and oversees the song, which involves a lot more than just making a beat. Hope that clears it up.
you just said what i said with more words
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Nah, man, what's lame is that you don't know what a producer is, then slam one of the true ones in rap. Producer: See Quincy Jones, that's all I gotta say. A producer PRODUCES the record, he makes it happen, gets it done. That doesn't mean he plays all the instruments, what you crazy?
What? dats a trip.....I been producing and watching producers in da studio at work for 2 years.....Basically what yur saying is Dre mixes tha beat.....dats what he does, MIXING.....
If I tell a producer in my camp, ay, I want some "wow, wow" sounds in da end and tell him where to put tha drums in, I dont get credited for producing.....He da ones that did it.....I just directed him.....looks to me, that Dre really takes on tha director role.....It's a trip what a producer CAN mean.....
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Dre doesnt produce shit. he cant do a beat without help from people. Scott Storch was making all those hits a couple of years ago now and dre was taking all the credit. Now Mike Elizando does all the work for him.
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i think hip hop fans have traditionally had a twisted view of what a producer actually does, myself included until i learned and read up about it.
A producer oversees the whole making of a song from start to finish. He organizes the musicians, says what direction the song will take, often has a say in the theme of the song etc and is present in the studio to direct the vocalists. Then they are responsible for the sequencing of the track and shit like that.
In any form of music, the producer very rarely plays the instruments. if you look at the Red Hot Chili Peppers last record for instance, the group play all the instruments themselves, but Rick Rubin produced the album.
So basically, the producer directs and oversees the song, which involves a lot more than just making a beat. Hope that clears it up.
wow this is exactly how i feel ....thats why i questioned dre's credibility before cuz its obivous he doesn't do every fucking thing when making a song..thats why it seems like he is stealing credits but he really ain't...he is like a music teacher that is making sure everything is all right in place, pretty much making the songs perfect.. so i call dre a director instead of producer cuz that sound right with what he is doing currently cuz i'm pretty sure when he did the original chronic and doggystyle..he did wayy more work than he is doing now..
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Man. Some of yall are just so ignorant. You talk like you know what's going on, or you've been watching producers for years, but damn, it's common sense knowledge to anyone who knows anything about any type of music, what a producer is. Please don't bring this crap out again, it's just juvenile. Like I said, when you can talk about Quincy Jones, or talk about Phil Spector, or know who George Martin is, then you'll understand the role of a producer, and why Dre is the greatest producer in hiphop. A mixer is not the same as a producer. A mixer mixes. It's really pretty simple.... a producer produces, a mixer mixes, a vocalist vocalizes, an engineer engineers, a keyboardist plays keyboards. How yall can get confused by that is beyond me. Listen to Mr. Loc he knows what he's talking about.
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Dre doesnt produce shit. he cant do a beat without help from people. Scott Storch was making all those hits a couple of years ago now and dre was taking all the credit. Now Mike Elizando does all the work for him.
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Everybody knows that Dre got people working with him, big surprise.. ::)
MelMan said it best: "Dre might not be a musician, but there wouldn't be no Dr.Dre-beats without Dre"
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ya'll gotta read more interviews n shit.. how many people say Dre oversee's everything in the minutest detail.. he's gotta reputation for being a perfectionist. listen to how people like snoop right through to eve and xzibit etc have said how Dre makes them rap a certain way. and how people like quik who has now actually worked to him thinks he's the shit... before that he probably believed the same BS as everyone, he sure as hell used it as ammunition when he was dissin Dre on 'you aint fresh' (only a mis-understandni coz quik thought dre had dissed him).
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you can produce without playing music. A producer oversees the project and decides how it comes out.
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I mean look @ songs like "If I Can't" on 50's album.....
It says Produced by Dre.....
but then it says Keyboards, Drums & Bass by: Mike Elizondo.....
I mean wtf? Producing is making a beat.....It is VERY different than mixing tha beat.....
I just don't get what dre actually does.....shit is lame.
ive been bringin this up for a while...dre has ghost producers...hes had ghost producers his whole career...thats why Daz dissed him...J.Flexx too...Mel Man does most his beats...and so does Mike Elizondo n Scott Storch...JD was right..."i know u do half the work in the studio"...i dont check eminems credits but according to Evidence hes the same way...
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ive been bringin this up for a while...dre has ghost producers...hes had ghost producers his whole career...thats why Daz dissed him...J.Flexx too...Mel Man does most his beats...and so does Mike Elizondo n Scott Storch...JD was right..."i know u do half the work in the studio"...i dont check eminems credits but according to Evidence hes the same way...
And that's why Dre & Em is sharper producers than 95% of other producers.
It's no secret that Fred Wreck, Mike Elizondo, Mel-Man, Luis Resto, Bass Bros, Scott Storch etc. have been working for Dre & Em, and that's how Em started out producing too, by learning from the Bass Bros and Dre.
They all learn from Dre, and they gradually become producers themselves as they pick up tricks and techniques.
Mel-Man, Fred Wreck, Eminem, Mike Elizondo - They were all average producers or not producers at all before they went the Dre-school.
Mike Elizondo is co-producing for Dre now.. he only used to do instruments before, and now he's about to start producing for artists too from what I hear.
The co-producers & musicians get their name in the credits and a phat paycheck, and gets educated to professional producers by Dre.
Of course people is gonna get jealous.. Daz got the axe, J.D. is beefing with him and copying half of his beats, of course they are gonna badmouth him..
J.Flexx is the only somewhat believeable of the doubters, but he could be a jealous mofo too for all we know.
Some of yall need to start reading some interviews with people who have worked with Dre, 95% of them are giving him props and telling he's a work-a-holic and a perfectionist.
The last 5% are dissing him, and that's usually people who didn't make the cut, as in "got axed", or people who only judge from hearsay.
Mel-Man about 2001:
Me and Dre worked all the way through that muthafucka. It was pretty much how you see what's going on know. Just imagine that like all day and night with Dre in the room and it would just start over and over again. He comin with it, I'm comin with it. My man La Bamba on the bass over there, he comin with it. It even gets more critical then that.
Peep any Fred Wreck interview, peep any Scott Storch interview, or Eminem talking about Dre's methods.. do some research god damn it, instead of judging from what Daz the Crackslanga or J.D. the copycat says.
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Fredwreck has been producin a long time...he came up on his own...he only recently started gettin down wit Dre...and i dont see how usin a ghost producer makes u better than anyone...Dre does as little as possible it seems but gets all credit...doesnt write his own rhymes...hardly does his beats...fuck what does dre do?!
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Fredwreck has been producin a long time...he came up on his own...he only recently started gettin down wit Dre...and i dont see how usin a ghost producer makes u better than anyone...Dre does as little as possible it seems but gets all credit...doesnt write his own rhymes...hardly does his beats...fuck what does dre do?!
FredWreck worked with Dre on 2001 back in 1999... before that Fred Wreck was a average producer IMO.
If U seen the footage of Dre & the team working on The Chronic, you would see that Dre is doing the work, while the others is fooling around.
Dre spends DAYS in the studio, that OUGHTA tell you something about his work ethics.
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the producer is the coach of a team, like phil jackson, don nelson, pat riley, bill parcels ect.
you are not a producer if you grab a keyboard and and make a 3 layered beat
this is how production works
in rock n roll
the band hires/is arranged with/asks a producer that is the best that money can buy and will make their records the best they can be. the producer does the WHOLE album not just a song or 2. Most of the ideas about a record/song come from the producer, and the muscians he/she works with use their talents to make those ideas realities. for example rick ruben was going through a some of anthony keidus's poetry, he stumbled across "under the bridge" and convinced anthony to sing it . rick ruben then went to john and said why don't you add the riff you were messing with earlier to it BUT slow down the timing and add this intro (rick ruben then hums or whistles a little melody out and john plays it out), then rick ruben has the drums come in after the chorus, then at the end of the song adds a choir. basically rick ruben becomes the 5th member of the chili peppers and becomes the leader and dictates (harmoniousl with the artist) how certain ideas should be to fullfill their best potential. now an artist can self producer themselves like a metallica or led zeppelin. but the same thing happens a leader arises and dictates harmoniously how certain things should sound, like jimi page would say to robert plant hey man when i end this guitar solo for stairway to heaven you should speed up the tempo and then goes up to john bonahm and goes hey hit the snare twice here after Rob sings this lick........then they do it and do it til its right
in classical music the composer, who usually only knows 1 or 2 instruments writes out musical notes for an orchestra that can have up to 50 instruments(this is why knowing musical notes is important if your a producer A minor is universal with every instrumet when written down. ok lets take Yanni for example, he only knows 2 instruments the piano and the guitar. but has violins and all that shit with him on stage, now how he produces them is quit elementry , he does it all on guitar and writes itdown and aranges those notes to a designated instrument . and then when all the notes join together it's a symphonic.
in rap
in rap you get the title producer if you make a 3 note song that repeats not even a whole bar for 3-5 minutes. guess what that's not producing. what dre does is enlist a number of musicians and the pattern hasn't changed . he always gets a bass player , a keybord player and a percusionist. he sits down with them all and says look here guys i want this. from you, this from you and this from you. and has them do the certain chore over and over again until that bass line he hummed to collin wolfe is perfect. until he and whoever his keyboardest is finds that perfect counter melody. until his drums are crisp and are in sync with the bass and form a good rhythem section. to me that's the summit of artistry right there.
it's well obvious half of you don't know what you're talking about and that's fine, but dont come in here bashing dre, then praising some fool that doesn't know what he's doing making elementry monkey music
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like Trauma said... more people need to read my post
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its like you know how to drive but dont know where you going.....dre is the guy guiding you to your destination.......if it was so easy these guys would be makin thier own shit
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the producer is the coach of a team, like phil jackson, don nelson, pat riley, bill parcels ect.
you are not a producer if you grab a keyboard and and make a 3 layered beat
this is how production works
in rock n roll
the band hires/is arranged with/asks a producer that is the best that money can buy and will make their records the best they can be. the producer does the WHOLE album not just a song or 2. Most of the ideas about a record/song come from the producer, and the muscians he/she works with use their talents to make those ideas realities. for example rick ruben was going through a some of anthony keidus's poetry, he stumbled across "under the bridge" and convinced anthony to sing it . rick ruben then went to john and said why don't you add the riff you were messing with earlier to it BUT slow down the timing and add this intro (rick ruben then hums or whistles a little melody out and john plays it out), then rick ruben has the drums come in after the chorus, then at the end of the song adds a choir. basically rick ruben becomes the 5th member of the chili peppers and becomes the leader and dictates (harmoniousl with the artist) how certain ideas should be to fullfill their best potential. now an artist can self producer themselves like a metallica or led zeppelin. but the same thing happens a leader arises and dictates harmoniously how certain things should sound, like jimi page would say to robert plant hey man when i end this guitar solo for stairway to heaven you should speed up the tempo and then goes up to john bonahm and goes hey hit the snare twice here after Rob sings this lick........then they do it and do it til its right
in classical music the composer, who usually only knows 1 or 2 instruments writes out musical notes for an orchestra that can have up to 50 instruments(this is why knowing musical notes is important if your a producer A minor is universal with every instrumet when written down. ok lets take Yanni for example, he only knows 2 instruments the piano and the guitar. but has violins and all that shit with him on stage, now how he produces them is quit elementry , he does it all on guitar and writes itdown and aranges those notes to a designated instrument . and then when all the notes join together it's a symphonic.
in rap
in rap you get the title producer if you make a 3 note song that repeats not even a whole bar for 3-5 minutes. guess what that's not producing. what dre does is enlist a number of musicians and the pattern hasn't changed . he always gets a bass player , a keybord player and a percusionist. he sits down with them all and says look here guys i want this. from you, this from you and this from you. and has them do the certain chore over and over again until that bass line he hummed to collin wolfe is perfect. until he and whoever his keyboardest is finds that perfect counter melody. until his drums are crisp and are in sync with the bass and form a good rhythem section. to me that's the summit of artistry right there.
it's well obvious half of you don't know what you're talking about and that's fine, but dont come in here bashing dre, then praising some fool that doesn't know what he's doing making elementry monkey music
the thing dre does with the keyboardist, the drumm progrqammer etc etc, a guy like fred wreck does by himself... so how can fred wreck not be a producer??
producer - someone who supervises the making and presentation of a show/track
so by definition, dre is a producer, fred wreck is a producer since he supervices his own work, IM a producer....
basicly, anybody who either "makes" a beat or conducts a beat may be called a producer
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oh here we go again = ibo and bigjakedog
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the thing dre does with the keyboardist, the drumm progrqammer etc etc, a guy like fred wreck does by himself... so how can fred wreck not be a producer??
producer - someone who supervises the making and presentation of a show/track
so by definition, dre is a producer, fred wreck is a producer since he supervices his own work, IM a producer....
basicly, anybody who either "makes" a beat or conducts a beat may be called a producer
when did i say fred wreck wasn't a producer, yes he is but he's not as good as dre
yeah that what a producer is, and if you want to think your a GOOD produce then hey whatever man
not just making a beat makes you a producer, like trauma said, look at mr. loc's post dude is dead on
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the thing dre does with the keyboardist, the drumm progrqammer etc etc, a guy like fred wreck does by himself... so how can fred wreck not be a producer??
producer - someone who supervises the making and presentation of a show/track
so by definition, dre is a producer, fred wreck is a producer since he supervices his own work, IM a producer....
basicly, anybody who either "makes" a beat or conducts a beat may be called a producer
when did i say fred wreck wasn't a producer, yes he is but he's not as good as dre
yeah that what a producer is, and if you want to think your a GOOD produce then hey whatever man
not just making a beat makes you a producer, like trauma said, look at mr. loc's post dude is dead on
i never said that you said that fred wreck aint a producer... why are you putting word in my mouth?
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the thing dre does with the keyboardist, the drumm progrqammer etc etc, a guy like fred wreck does by himself... so how can fred wreck not be a producer??
producer - someone who supervises the making and presentation of a show/track
so by definition, dre is a producer, fred wreck is a producer since he supervices his own work, IM a producer....
basicly, anybody who either "makes" a beat or conducts a beat may be called a producer
when did i say fred wreck wasn't a producer, yes he is but he's not as good as dre
yeah that what a producer is, and if you want to think your a GOOD produce then hey whatever man
not just making a beat makes you a producer, like trauma said, look at mr. loc's post dude is dead on
i never said that you said that fred wreck aint a producer... why are you putting word in my mouth?
my bad i thouht you were putting words in my mouth
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the thing dre does with the keyboardist, the drumm progrqammer etc etc, a guy like fred wreck does by himself... so how can fred wreck not be a producer??
producer - someone who supervises the making and presentation of a show/track
so by definition, dre is a producer, fred wreck is a producer since he supervices his own work, IM a producer....
basicly, anybody who either "makes" a beat or conducts a beat may be called a producer
when did i say fred wreck wasn't a producer, yes he is but he's not as good as dre
yeah that what a producer is, and if you want to think your a GOOD produce then hey whatever man
not just making a beat makes you a producer, like trauma said, look at mr. loc's post dude is dead on
i never said that you said that fred wreck aint a producer... why are you putting word in my mouth?
my bad i thouht you were putting words in my mouth
i actually agreed with the bigger part of your post..(for once)
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Jake strate trippin......It don't matter what I-BO is workin with......That nigga can Produce a beat from start 2 finish and he's damm nearly on some heavyweight status wit some of his shit......
Also, ur explaining too much, basically rambling......Someone like FredWreck or Khayree are all-around real producers......
Dre is more like a director......But ofcourse he gets tha production credit......
Here's an example......I produce some bullshit but "My" beats sound way better when I "direct" em......Like one time, I made a melody wit a Triton and showed I-BO and told him exactly how I wanted tha beat & directed him towards it......Shit sounds HELLA dope......I'm bout 2 copyright it this week and post it......
Anywayz, Let's just agree that people like Dre aint All-Around producers......Cuz an All-Around producer has 2 actually MAKE tha beat......Not just direct it......But dre's direction & final touches are defenitly top notch......But let's not forget about people like Mike Elizondo, cuz they tha muthafucaz behind da scenes that's actually makin it happen......nahmean
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Jake strate trippin......It don't matter what I-BO is workin with......That nigga can Produce a beat from start 2 finish and he's damm nearly on some heavyweight status wit some of his shit......
Also, ur explaining too much, basically rambling......Someone like FredWreck or Khayree are all-around real producers......
Dre is more like a director......But ofcourse he gets tha production credit......
Here's an example......I produce some bullshit but "My" beats sound way better when I "direct" em......Like one time, I made a melody wit a Triton and showed I-BO and told him exactly how I wanted tha beat & directed him towards it......Shit sounds HELLA dope......I'm bout 2 copyright it this week and post it......
Anywayz, Let's just agree that people like Dre aint All-Around producers......Cuz an All-Around producer has 2 actually MAKE tha beat......Not just direct it......But dre's direction & final touches are defenitly top notch......But let's not forget about people like Mike Elizondo, cuz they tha muthafucaz behind da scenes that's actually makin it happen......nahmean
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Here's an example......I produce some bullshit but "My" beats sound way better when I "direct" em......Like one time, I made a melody wit a Triton and showed I-BO and told him exactly how I wanted tha beat & directed him towards it......Shit sounds HELLA dope......I'm bout 2 copyright it this week and post it......
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In a rap sense I feel that the producer in most cases does more than stand there and talk. So IMO Dre isn't really a producer without touching anything. In other forms of music it may be the other way around, but in rap the person who MAKES the beat is generally considered the producer. Yes most producers have someone else play live instruments for them, but then they lay down the track themselves. Judging by what Dre has been putting out lately, he's probably not in the studio with them anymore. He probably just listens to the track and OK's it. It seems as though he's now okay with just writing checks and collecting money. It doesn't seem as though he puts the effort in that he used to. I'm not a Dre hater, I do prefer Quik though. I have respect for Dre considering what he has done for rap music, he influenced my favorite producer so how could I not ??? I can't respect his nasty reputation of ripping people of and giving hiself credit for everything...
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I mean look @ songs like "If I Can't" on 50's album.....
It says Produced by Dre.....
but then it says Keyboards, Drums & Bass by: Mike Elizondo.....
I mean wtf? Producing is making a beat.....It is VERY different than mixing tha beat.....
I just don't get what dre actually does.....shit is lame.
Okay, what the fuck, I said that shit like 3 months ago, and EVERYBODY bashed me (as phiasko if anyone remembers)... ay ROD, look at anything thats produced by him... it always says that shit... aint that some shit?
Anyways... to answer your question (what does he do?) ... he doesn't do a whole lot... the fact is, alotta producers on his level in the industry don't really do alot. They're job is pretty easy if you have a creative mind and have knowledge about producing and engineering. But nah... a producer isn't someone who makes beats... a producer is more like the guy that oversee's the whole project and has the final decision of how everything is gonna sound, he kinda guides the whole project. A producers job can be very easy or very hard, depending on who he/she is working with. If you're working with top of the line studio musicians and an experienced artist, a producers job isn't that hard, if your working with average studio musicians and an average rapper, the job gets that much harder, because its on the producer to make sure the song sounds dope. The artist isn't really supposed to have any creative liberty, but in a case where the artist is Snoop Dogg or Busta Rhymes or whoever, and the producer is Dr. Dre, Dre doesn't really have to worry about not giving these guys too much creative freedom (it works waaaay different in rap too by the way). In Hip-Hop (real hip hop), its different, the producer is the guy that makes the beats... you look at any other genre of music though, and thats not what the producer is.... in the industry though, Dre is labeled the producer because thats the universal term they give for people like him in the industry, and thats why it gets confusing. For example.... anyone who has the Lil' Mo CD, go look at the credits for the song she did over the GIN AND JUICE beat, notice how the producer is not DR.DRE.
Same story with songs produced by Eminem, you think he really makes beats all of a sudden? pleeeeease! I don't know about Eminem.... but I can say Dre has skill, because he hasn't always been ontop of the game, at one point he was making beats just like any other real hip hop producer, the thing is, he's lazy and rich.... who can blame him? he's been in the game long enough to sit back and relax now.
and to anybody that argues that DRE does do alotta work because every song he does with someone he makes a hit: SHUT THE FUCK UP! you obviously know nothing about the industry. The industry is not about what sounds good or bad. The industry is 99% (literally) about seniority, politics, and connections. Do you think all these rappers you hear on TV got famous because they were good? .... NOPE! .... it's because they either had an established/known manager, they hustled their ass off to meet people, they already knew someone, or anything else along those lines. And to prove my point that the industry is only 1% dependent on talent, listen to NELLY or TOO SHORT or SNOOP DOGG (ima say Snoop Dogg just to piss you guys off), and then go listen to Pharoah Monch, Chino XL, Skillz, etc. Getting lucky is rare in the industry, and the only rapper I can think back to and picture that right now is Eminem, but even he hustled his ass off to get where he is.
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It's exactly like Irv Gotti's fat ass.....He takes credit for songs like "I'm Real" and shit when that dood Seven actually made em.....I guess Irv was in tha lab wit Seven commenting on tha way it waz coming out.....But I know his dumb ass didn't do much.....
Quincy Jones is another example.....But I think he actually does make different melodies on his shit.....
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And yes, this industry is ALL about connections and who U know.....I mean look @ our shit, Mista CaNE is a monster, He would go against anybody, even eminem.....He's got unbelievable talent.....but it's just that he aint dealin wit tha right people, Him or Arsen or even TTH, our shit.....Everything is all stayin independent sellin a thousand without no distribution.....Exactly like U said, It's Who U know......
Now In dre's case he's involved with alot of REAAAAL talented ass musicians who save his ass, so everything is alwayz stayin consistent.....Those muthafuckas aint complainin about fame, they prolly gettin that bank, they're strate.....
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lol yo fuck this bullshit
at the end of the day, the name who gets credited for producer is the producer..........like as dodgy as it sounds on dre beats.........he gets listed as producer so he produced it, its his vision u know?
same as beats by sumone who duz the whole thing by himself...........his the producer..........man i was gonna explain what i had to say but i cant be arsed to type it, fuck it,
these mofos gettin paid to much
peace
lol
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Lots of ignorance in this thread heah
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Lots of ignorance in this thread here
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i mean hear some dre beats and why do people have that signature sound....usually when you hear a dre beat drop you know its a dre beat.......so he works on his own shit common you guys acctually think he dont do shit????......and dont even compare his ass to irv, irv just straight jacks beats while dre might sample and mix the shit out of a track ........i dont know but dre is the best producer i think.......and like stated before why is it that everyone talks shit about him til they end up workin with him.....then they like oohhhh he the shit.....common it has to be for a reason
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Produced by Dre means the beat is gunna be dope...PeACe
Haha, thats right
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Lots of ignorance in this thread heah
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i'll take the words of people who've actually worked with dre and shit over some chump change internet 'producer(s)' making analogies from reading cd credits
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Some people DONT KNOW what a Music PRODUCER IS! IS not a BEAT MAKER.
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Lots of ignorance in this thread heah
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i'll take the words of people who've actually worked with dre and shit over some chump change internet 'producer(s)' making analogies from reading cd credits
lol bitch pleeeeeez
u agree about alot of ignorance in this thread n then u diss someone on the net whos makin dope beats for joke callin them "chump change internet producers"........nigga u a pussy.
yeah i agree whoever gets credited as producer in the credits is the producer of the joint in one way or another, but theres nothing wrong with people rasing questions.....