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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Sccit on September 05, 2012, 12:49:16 PM
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that new RC/King-T cut got me thinkin of this....
http://www.youtube.com/v/n92V3yxjul0
http://www.youtube.com/v/x1S8ywNhdps
http://www.youtube.com/v/XxC6If7KG9w
http://www.youtube.com/v/vyDWvKOCMJk
http://www.youtube.com/v/ji3Do4l4PnY
http://www.youtube.com/v/Jw78O_gciJs
http://www.youtube.com/v/COjl9WnTjv8
http://www.youtube.com/v/PakUuqhNN6U
http://www.youtube.com/v/5fWBxg5xDDA
dre went through a lotta mufuckaz......a lotta r&b acts, as well. feel free 2 add.
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artists dre shoulda kept on aftermath:
dawn robinson
truth hurts
king t
rbx
brooklyn
snoop shoulda been doggystyle/aftermath
hittman
marsha ambrosius
r.c.
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artists dre shoulda kept on aftermath:
king t
truth hurts
rbx
snoop shoulda been doggystyle/aftermath
hittman
i agree with these......he was signing too many r&b acts. aftermath shoulda been a west coast hip-hop powerhouse, ala death row in the 90s. if the line-up was your list + dre, eminem, 50 cent, game, bishop lamont, west coast would still be runnin things.
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artists dre shoulda kept on aftermath:
king t
truth hurts
rbx
snoop shoulda been doggystyle/aftermath
hittman
i agree with these......he was signing too many r&b acts. aftermath shoulda been a west coast hip-hop powerhouse, ala death row in the 90s. if the line-up was your list + dre, eminem, west coast would still be runnin things.
chuuch 8)
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artists dre shoulda kept on aftermath:
dawn robinson
truth hurts
king t
rbx
brooklyn
snoop shoulda been doggystyle/aftermath
hittman
marsha ambrosius
r.c.
All the above plus Eve, Joel Ortiz, Busta Rhymes, Bishop Lamont, and Stat Quo.
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can't forget rakim 8)
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was pretty shitty how dre had the balls to do a hip-hop legend like rakim.........he was never a proper fit in the first place, but at least they coulda put 1 album out. i remember how huge the anticipation for "oh my god" was back in 2001. shit was intense. the album woulda gone 5x platinum offa hype alone.
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was pretty shitty how dre had the balls to do a hip-hop legend like rakim.........he was never a proper fit in the first place, but at least they coulda put 1 album out. i remember how huge the anticipation for "oh my god" was back in 2001. shit was intense. the album woulda gone 5x platinum offa hype alone.
word. that shit was originally supposed to be produced by dre, mel man and dj premier. i was waitin' on that 8)
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was pretty shitty how dre had the balls to do a hip-hop legend like rakim.........he was never a proper fit in the first place, but at least they coulda put 1 album out. i remember how huge the anticipation for "oh my god" was back in 2001. shit was intense. the album woulda gone 5x platinum offa hype alone.
word. that shit was originally supposed to be produced by dre, mel man and dj premier. i was waitin' on that 8)
Yeah, I remember when I was in high school my homie came to me and said that Rakim is making another album and half of it is going to be produced by Dre and the other half by Premo - I was excited as hell 8)
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I think the Rakim thing was more a Jimmy Iovine thing & less of a Dr. Dre thing as far as it not working out. On Dre's part he like people that give it 110% and from what I read/heard Rakim wasn't all that motivated to come in & work, moody, want open to trying new ideas (like writing hooks, writing about differnt ideas, ect.) and I heard the beats DJ Primere was comin up with weren't up to Dre's standards. With Jimmy I think if he feels it ain't gonna make a bunch of green, he ain't fuckin with it.
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I think the Rakim thing was more a Jimmy Iovine thing & less of a Dr. Dre thing as far as it not working out. On Dre's part he like people that give it 110% and from what I read/heard Rakim wasn't all that motivated to come in & work, moody, want open to trying new ideas (like writing hooks, writing about differnt ideas, ect.) and I heard the beats DJ Primere was comin up with weren't up to Dre's standards. With Jimmy I think if he feels it ain't gonna make a bunch of green, he ain't fuckin with it.
Whoever decided not to release that musta been trippin bad, cuz the hype for that album was unlike anything ive ever seen..
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hell yeah...forgot about joe beast..he was on the wash ost too...who got info?
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hell yeah...forgot about joe beast..he was on the wash ost too...who got info?
His new album is called "will rap for food" .... Lmao
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I think the Rakim thing was more a Jimmy Iovine thing & less of a Dr. Dre thing as far as it not working out. On Dre's part he like people that give it 110% and from what I read/heard Rakim wasn't all that motivated to come in & work, moody, want open to trying new ideas (like writing hooks, writing about differnt ideas, ect.) and I heard the beats DJ Primere was comin up with weren't up to Dre's standards. With Jimmy I think if he feels it ain't gonna make a bunch of green, he ain't fuckin with it.
Whoever decided not to release that musta been trippin bad, cuz the hype for that album was unlike anything ive ever seen..
one of the most fucked up decisions they've made. wit dre, premo, and mel man that album woulda been classic and puttin' it out in 2001 would been huge. they dropped the ball. :(
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Even the stuff that Rakim did do while with them was dope... I still play Addictive (specifically the remix with the extra verse in the beginning) and then The Watcher 2 from Jigga's album. Oh well, what can you do.
Didn't Raekwon sign with Aftermath at some point?
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hell yeah...forgot about joe beast..he was on the wash ost too...who got info?
His new album is called "will rap for food" .... Lmao
I always thought dude was whack lol..as for Rakim I definitely agree, lame that they couldn't put anything out. Who would you say is the best out of all of those? Dude's I've heard like G.A.G.E. weren't whack or anything but didn't really impress me much either.
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hell yeah...forgot about joe beast..he was on the wash ost too...who got info?
His new album is called "will rap for food" .... Lmao
http://joebeast.bandcamp.com/album/will-rap-for-food
it doesn't sound like it's the same joe beast that was on aftermath
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What does Hittman do nowadays?
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Even the stuff that Rakim did do while with them was dope... I still play Addictive (specifically the remix with the extra verse in the beginning) and then The Watcher 2 from Jigga's album. Oh well, what can you do.
Didn't Raekwon sign with Aftermath at some point?
yea, reakwon was on aftermath....i dont think they actually had an album completed ala king-t, rakim, hittman etc., tho
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hell yeah...forgot about joe beast..he was on the wash ost too...who got info?
His new album is called "will rap for food" .... Lmao
I always thought dude was whack lol..as for Rakim I definitely agree, lame that they couldn't put anything out. Who would you say is the best out of all of those? Dude's I've heard like G.A.G.E. weren't whack or anything but didn't really impress me much either.
from the unestablished artists? i'd say Hittman was my favorite....Bishop Lamont was nice, as well.
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hell yeah...forgot about joe beast..he was on the wash ost too...who got info?
His new album is called "will rap for food" .... Lmao
http://joebeast.bandcamp.com/album/will-rap-for-food
it doesn't sound like it's the same joe beast that was on aftermath
yea....looks like that dudes from compton. i never really peeped any of his work after he was dropped, but i know he was from pittsburgh, so that cant be him
heres og joe beast
http://www.myspace.com/joebeast412
http://www.myspace.com/jbeast412
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What does Hittman do nowadays?
probably a legit hittman by now.....i know i'd be if i was in his shoes.
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Some songs I've never heard before. Can you hook me up with mp3s?
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I dont know what's more death to an artist: signing to Aftermath or Bad Boy.
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I dont know what's more death to an artist: signing to Aftermath or Bad Boy.
;D ;D
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I dont know what's more death to an artist: signing to Aftermath or Bad Boy.
8Ball & MJG signed to Bad Boy and went plat', and then bounced. that's pretty nice.
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that's one, name anotha one. ;)
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hell yeah...forgot about joe beast..he was on the wash ost too...who got info?
His new album is called "will rap for food" .... Lmao
http://joebeast.bandcamp.com/album/will-rap-for-food
it doesn't sound like it's the same joe beast that was on aftermath
yea....looks like that dudes from compton. i never really peeped any of his work after he was dropped, but i know he was from pittsburgh, so that cant be him
heres og joe beast
http://www.myspace.com/joebeast412
http://www.myspace.com/jbeast412
thanks homie
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damn myspace is pretty much dead...it's a pitty
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that's one, name anotha one. ;)
puffy never signed and dropped cats at dre's rate.....lota artists went platinum on bad boy. Puffy, Biggie, Da Band, Faith Evans, Total, 112, Mase, Lox, Black Rob, Carl Thomas, Shyne, Dream, Yung Joc, Cassie, Dannity Kane.....and thats not even counting all the gold certifications.
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I dont know what's more death to an artist: signing to Aftermath or Bad Boy.
8Ball & MJG signed to Bad Boy and went plat', and then bounced. that's pretty nice.
i think they went gold with their bad boy debut..
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atleast bad boy puts out albums ::)
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What a waist... That's a whole Lotta talent...sad they couldn't come out with an album... My favorite out of them has to be rbx, king t, and bishop....
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Forgot hittman to....
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What a waist... That's a whole Lotta talent...sad they couldn't come out with an album... My favorite out of them has to be rbx, king t, and bishop....
RBX, King-T, Rakim, Raekwon, Last Emperor were the best in terms of rappers....but all of em were/are established rappers. This thread was moreso bout the artists from aftermath who never really were established.... the forgotton ones. Hittman and Bishop Lamont aren't exactly forgotten...werent established either, tho. lets not forget, Ice Cube was supposed to drop an album on aftermath at one point, as well.
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I don't think we can call Last Emporer and "established" artist. ....I mean how underground do you have to get? If you want someone almost completly obscure and mysterious who has hardly any known tracklist, Id nominate some of the cats off the first Aftermath release in 96'....
...Like how about Nationowl! His cut off the album was fuckin sick!! It was dark, and melancholy and smooth as fuck! There was also a fun theory here at the forum that dude was the same person as Hittman... LOL.. there voices do sound the same though
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I don't think we can call Last Emporer and "established" artist. ....I mean how underground do you have to get? If you want someone almost completly obscure and mysterious who has hardly any known tracklist, Id nominate some of the cats off the first Aftermath release in 96'....
...Like how about Nationowl! His cut off the album was fuckin sick!! It was dark, and melancholy and smooth as fuck! There was also a fun theory here at the forum that dude was the same person as Hittman... LOL.. there voices do sound the same though
Last Emperor has albums out and a solid fanbase...none of the other cats do.
Nowl was dope, though...was he ever officially signed with Aftermath?
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that's one, name anotha one. ;)
puffy never signed and dropped cats at dre's rate.....lota artists went platinum on bad boy. Puffy, Biggie, Da Band, Faith Evans, Total, 112, Mase, Lox, Black Rob, Carl Thomas, Shyne, Dream, Yung Joc, Cassie, Dannity Kane.....and thats not even counting all the gold certifications.
True, at least Puff got his money's worth outta them. Then they all became irrelevant or died lol.
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I don't think we can call Last Emporer and "established" artist. ....I mean how underground do you have to get? If you want someone almost completly obscure and mysterious who has hardly any known tracklist, Id nominate some of the cats off the first Aftermath release in 96'....
...Like how about Nationowl! His cut off the album was fuckin sick!! It was dark, and melancholy and smooth as fuck! There was also a fun theory here at the forum that dude was the same person as Hittman... LOL.. there voices do sound the same though
Last Emperor has albums out and a solid fanbase...none of the other cats do.
Nowl was dope, though...was he ever officially signed with Aftermath?
Who´s Nowl?
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http://www.youtube.com/v/mohgu2DyrEY
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atleast bad boy puts out albums ::)
bad boy aint put out a hot album since Life After Death
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atleast bad boy puts out albums ::)
bad boy aint put out a hot album since Life After Death
lmao!!!
G-Deps, black rob were pretty good albums! and that 8ball and mjg cd was the best thing they've released in the mid 00's
sorry brah but aftermath aint done shitin 10 years.
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I think the Rakim thing was more a Jimmy Iovine thing & less of a Dr. Dre thing as far as it not working out. On Dre's part he like people that give it 110% and from what I read/heard Rakim wasn't all that motivated to come in & work, moody, want open to trying new ideas (like writing hooks, writing about differnt ideas, ect.) and I heard the beats DJ Primere was comin up with weren't up to Dre's standards. With Jimmy I think if he feels it ain't gonna make a bunch of green, he ain't fuckin with it.
Whoever decided not to release that musta been trippin bad, cuz the hype for that album was unlike anything ive ever seen..
Judging by the final product, it was good Aftermath didn't put it out. It seems like Rah didn't want to put in the work creating a great album and just wanted to half ass it....which he did with 7th Seal.
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I think the Rakim thing was more a Jimmy Iovine thing & less of a Dr. Dre thing as far as it not working out. On Dre's part he like people that give it 110% and from what I read/heard Rakim wasn't all that motivated to come in & work, moody, want open to trying new ideas (like writing hooks, writing about differnt ideas, ect.) and I heard the beats DJ Primere was comin up with weren't up to Dre's standards. With Jimmy I think if he feels it ain't gonna make a bunch of green, he ain't fuckin with it.
Whoever decided not to release that musta been trippin bad, cuz the hype for that album was unlike anything ive ever seen..
Judging by the final product, it was good Aftermath didn't put it out. It seems like Rah didn't want to put in the work creating a great album and just wanted to half ass it....which he did with 7th Seal.
what final product? the album was never finished....
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atleast bad boy puts out albums ::)
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was pretty shitty how dre had the balls to do a hip-hop legend like rakim.........he was never a proper fit in the first place, but at least they coulda put 1 album out. i remember how huge the anticipation for "oh my god" was back in 2001. shit was intense. the album woulda gone 5x platinum offa hype alone.
according to Ra, they were cool, but just had creative diffrences for the album, be like that sometimes, so Ra decided to leave i guess
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that's one, name anotha one. ;)
puffy never signed and dropped cats at dre's rate.....lota artists went platinum on bad boy. Puffy, Biggie, Da Band, Faith Evans, Total, 112, Mase, Lox, Black Rob, Carl Thomas, Shyne, Dream, Yung Joc, Cassie, Dannity Kane.....and thats not even counting all the gold certifications.
but to be fair, half those artist on Badboy you can't count because they were signed when Dre was still at Death Row. You gotta count artists signed to Badboy from when Dre started Aftermath to now. To be even more fair, now that Badboy is under Interscope like Aftermath is, how many artists has Puffy put out? Don't worry if wait...
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was pretty shitty how dre had the balls to do a hip-hop legend like rakim.........he was never a proper fit in the first place, but at least they coulda put 1 album out. i remember how huge the anticipation for "oh my god" was back in 2001. shit was intense. the album woulda gone 5x platinum offa hype alone.
according to Ra, they were cool, but just had creative diffrences for the album, be like that sometimes, so Ra decided to leave i guess
Yep! I remember reading (I think it was The Source) about Dre wanting Ra to "kill" and Ra didn't wanna "kill" over Dre beats. Actually the 50 Cent track "Heat" (from the "Get Rich or Die Tryin" album) was originally for Ra and he rejected it. That was one of those beats Dre wanted Ra on his "gangsta shit". Dre (later) gave it to 50.
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was pretty shitty how dre had the balls to do a hip-hop legend like rakim.........he was never a proper fit in the first place, but at least they coulda put 1 album out. i remember how huge the anticipation for "oh my god" was back in 2001. shit was intense. the album woulda gone 5x platinum offa hype alone.
according to Ra, they were cool, but just had creative diffrences for the album, be like that sometimes, so Ra decided to leave i guess
aka jimmy iovine wasn't satisfied.
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was pretty shitty how dre had the balls to do a hip-hop legend like rakim.........he was never a proper fit in the first place, but at least they coulda put 1 album out. i remember how huge the anticipation for "oh my god" was back in 2001. shit was intense. the album woulda gone 5x platinum offa hype alone.
according to Ra, they were cool, but just had creative diffrences for the album, be like that sometimes, so Ra decided to leave i guess
Yep! I remember reading (I think it was The Source) about Dre wanting Ra to "kill" and Ra didn't wanna "kill" over Dre beats. Actually the 50 Cent track "Heat" (from the "Get Rich or Die Tryin" album) was originally for Ra and he rejected it. That was one of those beats Dre wanted Ra on his "gangsta shit". Dre (later) gave it to 50.
Damn... "Heat" woulda been way doper with Rakim insteada 50. Damn shame.
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that's one, name anotha one. ;)
puffy never signed and dropped cats at dre's rate.....lota artists went platinum on bad boy. Puffy, Biggie, Da Band, Faith Evans, Total, 112, Mase, Lox, Black Rob, Carl Thomas, Shyne, Dream, Yung Joc, Cassie, Dannity Kane.....and thats not even counting all the gold certifications.
but to be fair, half those artist on Badboy you can't count because they were signed when Dre was still at Death Row. You gotta count artists signed to Badboy from when Dre started Aftermath to now. To be even more fair, now that Badboy is under Interscope like Aftermath is, how many artists has Puffy put out? Don't worry if wait...
The last 7 artists on that list came post-aftermath
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was pretty shitty how dre had the balls to do a hip-hop legend like rakim.........he was never a proper fit in the first place, but at least they coulda put 1 album out. i remember how huge the anticipation for "oh my god" was back in 2001. shit was intense. the album woulda gone 5x platinum offa hype alone.
according to Ra, they were cool, but just had creative diffrences for the album, be like that sometimes, so Ra decided to leave i guess
Yep! I remember reading (I think it was The Source) about Dre wanting Ra to "kill" and Ra didn't wanna "kill" over Dre beats. Actually the 50 Cent track "Heat" (from the "Get Rich or Die Tryin" album) was originally for Ra and he rejected it. That was one of those beats Dre wanted Ra on his "gangsta shit". Dre (later) gave it to 50.
Damn... "Heat" woulda been way doper with Rakim insteada 50. Damn shame.
Hell no, that shit wasn't Ra's style at all. 50 was perfect for that beat, killed it as well.
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was pretty shitty how dre had the balls to do a hip-hop legend like rakim.........he was never a proper fit in the first place, but at least they coulda put 1 album out. i remember how huge the anticipation for "oh my god" was back in 2001. shit was intense. the album woulda gone 5x platinum offa hype alone.
according to Ra, they were cool, but just had creative diffrences for the album, be like that sometimes, so Ra decided to leave i guess
Yep! I remember reading (I think it was The Source) about Dre wanting Ra to "kill" and Ra didn't wanna "kill" over Dre beats. Actually the 50 Cent track "Heat" (from the "Get Rich or Die Tryin" album) was originally for Ra and he rejected it. That was one of those beats Dre wanted Ra on his "gangsta shit". Dre (later) gave it to 50.
Damn... "Heat" woulda been way doper with Rakim insteada 50. Damn shame.
Hell no, that shit wasn't Ra's style at all. 50 was perfect for that beat, killed it as well.
i could see comin' wit some lyrical g shit on heat.....i'm picturin what dre had envisioned. u can replace 50 with rakim on any track, and it'll be better.
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I think the Rakim thing was more a Jimmy Iovine thing & less of a Dr. Dre thing as far as it not working out. On Dre's part he like people that give it 110% and from what I read/heard Rakim wasn't all that motivated to come in & work, moody, want open to trying new ideas (like writing hooks, writing about differnt ideas, ect.) and I heard the beats DJ Primere was comin up with weren't up to Dre's standards. With Jimmy I think if he feels it ain't gonna make a bunch of green, he ain't fuckin with it.
Whoever decided not to release that musta been trippin bad, cuz the hype for that album was unlike anything ive ever seen..
Judging by the final product, it was good Aftermath didn't put it out. It seems like Rah didn't want to put in the work creating a great album and just wanted to half ass it....which he did with 7th Seal.
what final product? the album was never finished....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seventh_Seal_(Rakim_album)
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I pretty much forgot Dr Dre as an artist. I thought he worked for HP or some shit now.
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I think the Rakim thing was more a Jimmy Iovine thing & less of a Dr. Dre thing as far as it not working out. On Dre's part he like people that give it 110% and from what I read/heard Rakim wasn't all that motivated to come in & work, moody, want open to trying new ideas (like writing hooks, writing about differnt ideas, ect.) and I heard the beats DJ Primere was comin up with weren't up to Dre's standards. With Jimmy I think if he feels it ain't gonna make a bunch of green, he ain't fuckin with it.
Whoever decided not to release that musta been trippin bad, cuz the hype for that album was unlike anything ive ever seen..
Judging by the final product, it was good Aftermath didn't put it out. It seems like Rah didn't want to put in the work creating a great album and just wanted to half ass it....which he did with 7th Seal.
what final product? the album was never finished....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seventh_Seal_(Rakim_album)
I remember seeing a couple of his tracks at Aftermath on here before. Anyone got the hookup ?
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was pretty shitty how dre had the balls to do a hip-hop legend like rakim.........he was never a proper fit in the first place, but at least they coulda put 1 album out. i remember how huge the anticipation for "oh my god" was back in 2001. shit was intense. the album woulda gone 5x platinum offa hype alone.
according to Ra, they were cool, but just had creative diffrences for the album, be like that sometimes, so Ra decided to leave i guess
eI remember reading (I think it wahe Source) about Dre wanting Ra to "kill" and Ra didn't wanna "kill" over Dre beats. Actually the 50 Cent track "Heat" (from the "Get Rich or Die Tryin" album) was originally for Ra and he rejected it. That was one of those beats Dre wanted Ra on his "gangsta shit". Dre (later) gave it to 50.
Damn... "Heat" woulda been way doper with Rakim insteada 50. Damn shame.
Hell no, that shit wasn't Ra's style at all. 50 was perfect for that beat, killed it as well.
i could see comin' wit some lyrical g shit on heat.....i'm picturin what dre had envisioned. u can replace 50 with rakim on any track, and it'll be better.
When Ra does G Shit it ain't authentic. You really think "In Da Club" would have been better with Ra? Lol you tripping homie
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that's one, name anotha one. ;)
puffy never signed and dropped cats at dre's rate.....lota artists went platinum on bad boy. Puffy, Biggie, Da Band, Faith Evans, Total, 112, Mase, Lox, Black Rob, Carl Thomas, Shyne, Dream, Yung Joc, Cassie, Dannity Kane.....and thats not even counting all the gold certifications.
but to be fair, half those artist on Badboy you can't count because they were signed when Dre was still at Death Row. You gotta count artists signed to Badboy from when Dre started Aftermath to now. To be even more fair, now that Badboy is under Interscope like Aftermath is, how many artists has Puffy put out? Don't worry if wait...
Ok well since BadBoy been under Interscope like Aftermath is, what has Puffy put out?
The last 7 artists on that list came post-aftermath
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atleast bad boy puts out albums ::)
bad boy aint put out a hot album since Life After Death
They had two great albums since then. Puffy's No Way Out album was epic. Big's death gave him a wealth of content to pull from, Jadakiss did a lot of writing for the album, and production at that time for Bad Boy was top notch.
...Also Shyne's debut album was solid top to bottom. Some monster bangers on that one.
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atleast bad boy puts out albums ::)
bad boy aint put out a hot album since Life After Death
They had two great albums since then. Puffy's No Way Out album was epic. Big's death gave him a wealth of content to pull from, Jadakiss did a lot of writing for the album, and production at tht time for Bad Boy was top notch.
...Also Shyne's debut album was solid top to bottom. Some monster bangers on that one.
For real two great albums there. "Harlem World", " Money, Power, Respect" and "Life Story" were all dope aswell.
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For real two great albums there. "Harlem World", " Money, Power, Respect" and "Life Story" were all dope aswell.
The Mase album sounded good, but it's fools gold. I like the Lox and Black Rob but didn't think those albums were all that.
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For real two great albums there. "Harlem World", " Money, Power, Respect" and "Life Story" were all dope aswell.
The Mase album sounded good, but it's fools gold. I like the Lox and Black Rob but didn't think those albums were all that.
the last hot album bad boy put out was g dep's child of the ghetto.
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For real two great albums there. "Harlem World", " Money, Power, Respect" and "Life Story" were all dope aswell.
The Mase album sounded good, but it's fools gold. I like the Lox and Black Rob but didn't think those albums were all that.
the last hot album bad boy put out was g dep's child of the ghetto.
hmm.. I never gave that one a chance
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For real two great albums there. "Harlem World", " Money, Power, Respect" and "Life Story" were all dope aswell.
The Mase album sounded good, but it's fools gold. I like the Lox and Black Rob but didn't think those albums were all that.
the first black rob album is one of the finest albums from the Bad boy catalgoue imo. very underrated
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I pretty much forgot Dr Dre as an artist. I thought he worked for HP or some shit now.
LOL
Chronic is an album I always gotta play front to back every couple of months 8)
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I think the Rakim thing was more a Jimmy Iovine thing & less of a Dr. Dre thing as far as it not working out. On Dre's part he like people that give it 110% and from what I read/heard Rakim wasn't all that motivated to come in & work, moody, want open to trying new ideas (like writing hooks, writing about differnt ideas, ect.) and I heard the beats DJ Primere was comin up with weren't up to Dre's standards. With Jimmy I think if he feels it ain't gonna make a bunch of green, he ain't fuckin with it.
Whoever decided not to release that musta been trippin bad, cuz the hype for that album was unlike anything ive ever seen..
Judging by the final product, it was good Aftermath didn't put it out. It seems like Rah didn't want to put in the work creating a great album and just wanted to half ass it....which he did with 7th Seal.
what final product? the album was never finished....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seventh_Seal_(Rakim_album)
"Then in 2007, Rakim decided to record completely new songs for the album. In an interview with Billboard on July 13, 2009, when asked about if this album contains any material from the unreleased album he did with Dr. Dre, he stated "No, that's locked down in the lab for now. This is me live from New York City, everything brand new."
"7th Seal" was a different album from "Oh My God"
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was pretty shitty how dre had the balls to do a hip-hop legend like rakim.........he was never a proper fit in the first place, but at least they coulda put 1 album out. i remember how huge the anticipation for "oh my god" was back in 2001. shit was intense. the album woulda gone 5x platinum offa hype alone.
according to Ra, they were cool, but just had creative diffrences for the album, be like that sometimes, so Ra decided to leave i guess
eI remember reading (I think it wahe Source) about Dre wanting Ra to "kill" and Ra didn't wanna "kill" over Dre beats. Actually the 50 Cent track "Heat" (from the "Get Rich or Die Tryin" album) was originally for Ra and he rejected it. That was one of those beats Dre wanted Ra on his "gangsta shit". Dre (later) gave it to 50.
Damn... "Heat" woulda been way doper with Rakim insteada 50. Damn shame.
Hell no, that shit wasn't Ra's style at all. 50 was perfect for that beat, killed it as well.
i could see comin' wit some lyrical g shit on heat.....i'm picturin what dre had envisioned. u can replace 50 with rakim on any track, and it'll be better.
When Ra does G Shit it ain't authentic. You really think "In Da Club" would have been better with Ra? Lol you tripping homie
yea, but 50 doin G shit aint exactly authentic either....Ra could lyrically rip pretty much any track. duno if the song woulda been as popular, but i could definitely see Rakim killin the "In Da Club" instrumental.
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When Ra does G Shit it ain't authentic. You really think "In Da Club" would have been better with Ra? Lol you tripping homie
I think a lot of times people just won't give credit where it is due. 50 owned that beat. There aren't many cats who could have came in there and made that anywhere near as a hot a song as 50 did at the time. So many of these folks just want to sound like they are too cool for school by suggesting that so and so could do a better job and I frankly have my doubts. There are great lyricists but most of them would be too busy penning 16 bars to think of something as simple and catchy as "Go shorty. It's your birthday!" or come off the chorus with a vicious bridge like he did. I think someone of you need to stop trying to rewrite history like 50 Cent was a super hot song-writer at the time and just give that man his props.
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that's one, name anotha one. ;)
puffy never signed and dropped cats at dre's rate.....lota artists went platinum on bad boy. Puffy, Biggie, Da Band, Faith Evans, Total, 112, Mase, Lox, Black Rob, Carl Thomas, Shyne, Dream, Yung Joc, Cassie, Dannity Kane.....and thats not even counting all the gold certifications.
but to be fair, half those artist on Badboy you can't count because they were signed when Dre was still at Death Row. You gotta count artists signed to Badboy from when Dre started Aftermath to now. To be even more fair, now that Badboy is under Interscope like Aftermath is, how many artists has Puffy put out? Don't worry if wait...
Ok well since BadBoy been under Interscope like Aftermath is, what has Puffy put out?
well, bad boy merged with interscope in late '09....the first and only album released by bad boy since then was diddy dirty money. but thats besides the point. puffy doesnt sign and drop artists at the same rate dre does. will he now that he's with interscope? looks like we bout 2 see.
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When Ra does G Shit it ain't authentic. You really think "In Da Club" would have been better with Ra? Lol you tripping homie
I think a lot of times people just won't give credit where it is due. 50 owned that beat. There aren't many cats who could have came in there and made that anywhere near as a hot a song as 50 did at the time. So many of these folks just want to sound like they are too cool for school by suggesting that so and so could do a better job and I frankly have my doubts. There are great lyricists but most of them would be too busy penning 16 bars to think of something as simple and catchy as "Go shorty. It's your birthday!" or come off the chorus with a vicious bridge like he did. I think someone of you need to stop trying to rewrite history like 50 Cent was a super hot song-writer at the time and just give that man his props.
like i said, it may not have been as big commercially, but it woulda been a better song....thats my opinion. i prefer rakim over 50, any day of the week. but i understand that 50's got catchier content, of course. that goes witout sayin.
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When Ra does G Shit it ain't authentic. You really think "In Da Club" would have been better with Ra? Lol you tripping homie
I think a lot of times people just won't give credit where it is due. 50 owned that beat. There aren't many cats who could have came in there and made that anywhere near as a hot a song as 50 did at the time. So many of these folks just want to sound like they are too cool for school by suggesting that so and so could do a better job and I frankly have my doubts. There are great lyricists but most of them would be too busy penning 16 bars to think of something as simple and catchy as "Go shorty. It's your birthday!" or come off the chorus with a vicious bridge like he did. I think someone of you need to stop trying to rewrite history like 50 Cent was a super hot song-writer at the time and just give that man his props.
This guys gets it 8). And lol at 50 not being authentic, he was one of the last real gangsters to actually make it big in this rap game.
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like i said, it may not have been as big commercially, but it woulda been a better song....thats my opinion. i prefer rakim over 50, any day of the week. but i understand that 50's got catchier content, of course. that goes witout sayin.
I doubt that. Rakim is a great lyricist but his style ain't fitted to something like "In Da Club". Fif owned that. It's this certain conversation I've grown accustomed to with some people where they have to believe that all these people that Dre dropped could have been 50 Cent if they got the right push but the thing is 50 was a special artist and once he hit MTV, it became uncool to admit that. Like certain cats won't ever throw Jay-Z or Eminem in that "greatest" category because they're mainstream but talent is talent. It's like these dudes who believe that because Tupac is such a great artist that there is nothing that another rapper could ever be better than him at. Do I prefer Scarface to Snoop? Yes. Is he better at writing the deep shit? No question. Would he have rocked half those joints Dre gave Snoop for "Doggystle" better than Snoop? No fucking way. Could Pac have made a better song out of that "Around the Way Girl" joint than Cool J did? Fuck no. It's not about which artist I prefer, it's about understanding that even my most favorite MC in rap might not do every style of song better than a certain rapper I only kind of like. That's just how shit rolls sometimes.
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When Ra does G Shit it ain't authentic. You really think "In Da Club" would have been better with Ra? Lol you tripping homie
50 owned that beat. There aren't many cats who could have came in there and made that anywhere near as a hot a song as 50 did at the time.
its impossible to say, Fif has always been a great rapper, but i sure others couldve pulled off a decent performance on that beat back in 03 as well.
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When Ra does G Shit it ain't authentic. You really think "In Da Club" would have been better with Ra? Lol you tripping homie
50 owned that beat. There aren't many cats who could have came in there and made that anywhere near as a hot a song as 50 did at the time.
its impossible to say, Fif has always been a great rapper, but i sure others couldve pulled off a decent performance on that beat back in 03 as well.
They say that In The Club beat was for D-12 & they passed. It was no way they could've done to that beat what 50cent did to that shit. In fact, people wouldn't have even considered that beat as dope as people do now if D-12 would've did something to it. Would've been a waste of a hit record.
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I think the Rakim thing was more a Jimmy Iovine thing & less of a Dr. Dre thing as far as it not working out. On Dre's part he like people that give it 110% and from what I read/heard Rakim wasn't all that motivated to come in & work, moody, want open to trying new ideas (like writing hooks, writing about differnt ideas, ect.) and I heard the beats DJ Primere was comin up with weren't up to Dre's standards. With Jimmy I think if he feels it ain't gonna make a bunch of green, he ain't fuckin with it.
Whoever decided not to release that musta been trippin bad, cuz the hype for that album was unlike anything ive ever seen..
Judging by the final product, it was good Aftermath didn't put it out. It seems like Rah didn't want to put in the work creating a great album and just wanted to half ass it....which he did with 7th Seal.
what final product? the album was never finished....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seventh_Seal_(Rakim_album)
"Then in 2007, Rakim decided to record completely new songs for the album. In an interview with Billboard on July 13, 2009, when asked about if this album contains any material from the unreleased album he did with Dr. Dre, he stated "No, that's locked down in the lab for now. This is me live from New York City, everything brand new."
"7th Seal" was a different album from "Oh My God"
Same album, different direction. Similar to how Dre has apparently changed the direction of Detox several times. My point was that the final product came off as lazy and uninspired. So if he had put the same effort into an album with Dre it would've been a bad look for Aftermath.
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When Ra does G Shit it ain't authentic. You really think "In Da Club" would have been better with Ra? Lol you tripping homie
I think a lot of times people just won't give credit where it is due. 50 owned that beat. There aren't many cats who could have came in there and made that anywhere near as a hot a song as 50 did at the time. So many of these folks just want to sound like they are too cool for school by suggesting that so and so could do a better job and I frankly have my doubts. There are great lyricists but most of them would be too busy penning 16 bars to think of something as simple and catchy as "Go shorty. It's your birthday!" or come off the chorus with a vicious bridge like he did. I think someone of you need to stop trying to rewrite history like 50 Cent was a super hot song-writer at the time and just give that man his props.
This guys gets it 8). And lol at 50 not being authentic, he was one of the last real gangsters to actually make it big in this rap game.
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like i said, it may not have been as big commercially, but it woulda been a better song....thats my opinion. i prefer rakim over 50, any day of the week. but i understand that 50's got catchier content, of course. that goes witout sayin.
I doubt that. Rakim is a great lyricist but his style ain't fitted to something like "In Da Club". Fif owned that. It's this certain conversation I've grown accustomed to with some people where they have to believe that all these people that Dre dropped could have been 50 Cent if they got the right push but the thing is 50 was a special artist and once he hit MTV, it became uncool to admit that. Like certain cats won't ever throw Jay-Z or Eminem in that "greatest" category because they're mainstream but talent is talent. It's like these dudes who believe that because Tupac is such a great artist that there is nothing that another rapper could ever be better than him at. Do I prefer Scarface to Snoop? Yes. Is he better at writing the deep shit? No question. Would he have rocked half those joints Dre gave Snoop for "Doggystle" better than Snoop? No fucking way. Could Pac have made a better song out of that "Around the Way Girl" joint than Cool J did? Fuck no. It's not about which artist I prefer, it's about understanding that even my most favorite MC in rap might not do every style of song better than a certain rapper I only kind of like. That's just how shit rolls sometimes.
well, i do place eminem amongst the goats, mainstream or not. but 50 cent is not. he's nowhere near the goats. commercially, he was huge. his raps were good and catchy, but his biggest strength was the production team behind him. he's nowhere near the goat's in terms of straight rappin skill.
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I think the Rakim thing was more a Jimmy Iovine thing & less of a Dr. Dre thing as far as it not working out. On Dre's part he like people that give it 110% and from what I read/heard Rakim wasn't all that motivated to come in & work, moody, want open to trying new ideas (like writing hooks, writing about differnt ideas, ect.) and I heard the beats DJ Primere was comin up with weren't up to Dre's standards. With Jimmy I think if he feels it ain't gonna make a bunch of green, he ain't fuckin with it.
Whoever decided not to release that musta been trippin bad, cuz the hype for that album was unlike anything ive ever seen..
Judging by the final product, it was good Aftermath didn't put it out. It seems like Rah didn't want to put in the work creating a great album and just wanted to half ass it....which he did with 7th Seal.
what final product? the album was never finished....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seventh_Seal_(Rakim_album)
"Then in 2007, Rakim decided to record completely new songs for the album. In an interview with Billboard on July 13, 2009, when asked about if this album contains any material from the unreleased album he did with Dr. Dre, he stated "No, that's locked down in the lab for now. This is me live from New York City, everything brand new."
"7th Seal" was a different album from "Oh My God"
Same album, different direction. Similar to how Dre has apparently changed the direction of Detox several times. My point was that the final product came off as lazy and uninspired. So if he had put the same effort into an album with Dre it would've been a bad look for Aftermath.
the Dre produced tracks that leaked were much better than the shit he did for "7th Seal"..
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like i said, it may not have been as big commercially, but it woulda been a better song....thats my opinion. i prefer rakim over 50, any day of the week. but i understand that 50's got catchier content, of course. that goes witout sayin.
I doubt that. Rakim is a great lyricist but his style ain't fitted to something like "In Da Club". Fif owned that. It's this certain conversation I've grown accustomed to with some people where they have to believe that all these people that Dre dropped could have been 50 Cent if they got the right push but the thing is 50 was a special artist and once he hit MTV, it became uncool to admit that. Like certain cats won't ever throw Jay-Z or Eminem in that "greatest" category because they're mainstream but talent is talent. It's like these dudes who believe that because Tupac is such a great artist that there is nothing that another rapper could ever be better than him at. Do I prefer Scarface to Snoop? Yes. Is he better at writing the deep shit? No question. Would he have rocked half those joints Dre gave Snoop for "Doggystle" better than Snoop? No fucking way. Could Pac have made a better song out of that "Around the Way Girl" joint than Cool J did? Fuck no. It's not about which artist I prefer, it's about understanding that even my most favorite MC in rap might not do every style of song better than a certain rapper I only kind of like. That's just how shit rolls sometimes.
well, i do place eminem amongst the goats, mainstream or not. but 50 cent is not. he's nowhere near the goats. commercially, he was huge. his raps were good and catchy, but his biggest strength was the production team behind him. he's nowhere near the goat's in terms of straight rappin skill.
50 is one of the goats, based on his accomplishments alone.
far as skills, no one could fuck wit Fif back in 02 and 03 when he ran the mixtape-game, especially whn it came to disses n freestyles
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like i said, it may not have been as big commercially, but it woulda been a better song....thats my opinion. i prefer rakim over 50, any day of the week. but i understand that 50's got catchier content, of course. that goes witout sayin.
I doubt that. Rakim is a great lyricist but his style ain't fitted to something like "In Da Club". Fif owned that. It's this certain conversation I've grown accustomed to with some people where they have to believe that all these people that Dre dropped could have been 50 Cent if they got the right push but the thing is 50 was a special artist and once he hit MTV, it became uncool to admit that. Like certain cats won't ever throw Jay-Z or Eminem in that "greatest" category because they're mainstream but talent is talent. It's like these dudes who believe that because Tupac is such a great artist that there is nothing that another rapper could ever be better than him at. Do I prefer Scarface to Snoop? Yes. Is he better at writing the deep shit? No question. Would he have rocked half those joints Dre gave Snoop for "Doggystle" better than Snoop? No fucking way. Could Pac have made a better song out of that "Around the Way Girl" joint than Cool J did? Fuck no. It's not about which artist I prefer, it's about understanding that even my most favorite MC in rap might not do every style of song better than a certain rapper I only kind of like. That's just how shit rolls sometimes.
well, i do place eminem amongst the goats, mainstream or not. but 50 cent is not. he's nowhere near the goats. commercially, he was huge. his raps were good and catchy, but his biggest strength was the production team behind him. he's nowhere near the goat's in terms of straight rappin skill.
50 is one of the goats, based on his accomplishments alone.
far as skills, no one could fuck wit Fif back in 02 and 03 when he ran the mixtape-game, especially whn it came to disses n freestyles
lol...accomplishments dont mean shit in terms of goats. if that were the case, drake, nelly, ja rule, etc. are all goats. this aint sport, it's music. like i said, 50 was putting out quality music, no doubt. but the strongest quality was the production value. he's nowhere near the greatests in terms of pure rappin skill.
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well, i do place eminem amongst the goats, mainstream or not. but 50 cent is not. he's nowhere near the goats. commercially, he was huge. his raps were good and catchy, but his biggest strength was the production team behind him. he's nowhere near the goat's in terms of straight rappin skill.
I would greatly diagree that 50's strength is his production team. He's not a production-driven rapper on the whole. Of the artists under Dre over the years, he appears the least reliant on his involvement in projects. "In Da Club" is arguably one of the strongest Dre productions to come out in the wake of "2001" but 50's song-writing skills tend to get overlooked here and that's my complaint. You might have a better lyricist drop a couple 16's and have Dre hold his hand through the production point but Fifty, to me, knows how to create songs on his own. He tends to grab beat tapes and pick out his own tracks, rather than relying on producers to put stuff together for him so I'm a little confused by this argument that his strengths are the production team. I think that would be more of a valid criticism for someone like Game on his first few albums. 50's strength is his work ethic.
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well, i do place eminem amongst the goats, mainstream or not. but 50 cent is not. he's nowhere near the goats. commercially, he was huge. his raps were good and catchy, but his biggest strength was the production team behind him. he's nowhere near the goat's in terms of straight rappin skill.
I would greatly diagree that 50's strength is his production team. He's not a production-driven rapper on the whole. Of the artists under Dre over the years, he appears the least reliant on his involvement in projects. "In Da Club" is arguably one of the strongest Dre productions to come out in the wake of "2001" but 50's song-writing skills tend to get overlooked here and that's my complaint. You might have a better lyricist drop a couple 16's and have Dre hold his hand through the production point but Fifty, to me, knows how to create songs on his own. He tends to grab beat tapes and pick out his own tracks, rather than relying on producers to put stuff together for him so I'm a little confused by this argument that his strengths are the production team. I think that would be more of a valid criticism for someone like Game on his first few albums. 50's strength is his work ethic.
basically, if Dre never fucked wit him, his albums wouldnt be half as good as they are.......not saying that Dre straight carried him, cuz he does have catchy hooks and good concepts, but "GRODT" wouldnt even be nearly as acclaimed as it currently is without Dre's involvement.
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lol...accomplishments dont mean shit in terms of goats. if that were the case, drake, nelly, ja rule, etc. are all goats. this aint sport, it's music. like i said, 50 was putting out quality music, no doubt. but the strongest quality was the production value. he's nowhere near the greatests in terms of pure rappin skill.
Of course, accomplishments mean shit in terms of being the "greatest". Yes, pure rapping skill is important but there are plenty of great "pure rappers" like Canibus, Ras Kass, Crooked I, and so forth who have been making music for a cool decade and don't have lyrics that reasonate over to the "crossover" audience. This production value comment still strikes me as a weak overall argument. To my understanding, 50 constructs a lot of his own songs. He writes his own choruses on the majority of his albums and it's not like the guys who do the beats (Ky Miller, Ty Fyfe, Jake One, Ron Brownz, Tha Bizness, etc.) are these big A-list production machines who hold his hand. I mean, the guys generally associated with Dr. Dre and the Aftermath brand don't tend to be a massive presence on 50 Cent's G-Unit projects or his solo albums. At least, compared to a lot of the other artists on the label.
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basically, if Dre never fucked wit him, his albums wouldnt be half as good as they are.......not saying that Dre straight carried him, cuz he does have catchy hooks and good concepts, but "GRODT" wouldnt even be nearly as acclaimed as it currently is without Dre's involvement.
That's a bold statement, given that Dre's never even produced 40% of any of his albums. There's certainly no denying that Dr. Dre was a contributing factor in the picture but Fif already had a buzz hot before he signed on with them. Let's be real here. He was far more developed out the gate than your average Aftermath artist. There's a reason he got a million dollar contract plus additional revenue to start G-Unit Records on Interscope before "In Da Club" hit the radio waves. Like I said, he might not be the greatest with "pure rapping skills" but in terms of what makes a great artist, I'd say he overshadows nearly everybody except the cream of crop when it comes to other aspects of being a hip-hop artist. Is he on my greatest of all-time list? Not at the moment but I'll give him the credit where its due in the necessary areas. Who working in rap has his work ethic?
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50 is not a very proficient lyricist but on the other hand he is an efficient songwriter. and he does craft dope hooks. not on eminem's level by any means but he has a rather impressive catalogue and list of bangers.
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50 is not a very proficient lyricist but on the other hand he is an efficient songwriter. and he does craft dope hooks. not on eminem's level by any means but he has a rather impressive catalogue and list of bangers.
Yeah, I would call Eminem the better artist but Fif is underlooked because of a lot of people don't like his shit. None of these artists that Aftermath had were 50 Cent. There's a reason he got the money he got. There's a reason he was pushed ahead of the rest of the roster when he got there. That's why I'll say it. "In Da Club" belongs to 50 Cent.
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because he knows how 2 make catchy songs.. not because he's a great rapper. he's more comparable to nelly than he is to rakim. i'd bump his shit over nelly, though.
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basically, if Dre never fucked wit him, his albums wouldnt be half as good as they are.......not saying that Dre straight carried him, cuz he does have catchy hooks and good concepts, but "GRODT" wouldnt even be nearly as acclaimed as it currently is without Dre's involvement.
That's a bold statement, given that Dre's never even produced 40% of any of his albums. There's certainly no denying that Dr. Dre was a contributing factor in the picture but Fif already had a buzz hot before he signed on with them. Let's be real here. He was far more developed out the gate than your average Aftermath artist. There's a reason he got a million dollar contract plus additional revenue to start G-Unit Records on Interscope before "In Da Club" hit the radio waves. Like I said, he might not be the greatest with "pure rapping skills" but in terms of what makes a great artist, I'd say he overshadows nearly everybody except the cream of crop when it comes to other aspects of being a hip-hop artist. Is he on my greatest of all-time list? Not at the moment but I'll give him the credit where its due in the necessary areas. Who working in rap has his work ethic?
When 50 was in his prime I'd put him in my top 10, son can craft a song like no other, authentic gangster rap done right. "Many Men" to me is one of the GOAT hip hop songs ever made, shit was as real as it gets. Nelly was a pop rapper, 50 was a street rapper who just happened to know how to make a song that turned pop. 50's lost his way the last couple of years but from GRODT to the GRODT Soundtrack not many in the game could touch him.
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basically, if Dre never fucked wit him, his albums wouldnt be half as good as they are.......not saying that Dre straight carried him, cuz he does have catchy hooks and good concepts, but "GRODT" wouldnt even be nearly as acclaimed as it currently is without Dre's involvement.
That's a bold statement, given that Dre's never even produced 40% of any of his albums. There's certainly no denying that Dr. Dre was a contributing factor in the picture but Fif already had a buzz hot before he signed on with them. Let's be real here. He was far more developed out the gate than your average Aftermath artist. There's a reason he got a million dollar contract plus additional revenue to start G-Unit Records on Interscope before "In Da Club" hit the radio waves. Like I said, he might not be the greatest with "pure rapping skills" but in terms of what makes a great artist, I'd say he overshadows nearly everybody except the cream of crop when it comes to other aspects of being a hip-hop artist. Is he on my greatest of all-time list? Not at the moment but I'll give him the credit where its due in the necessary areas. Who working in rap has his work ethic?
When 50 was in his prime I'd put him in my top 10, son can craft a song like no other, authentic gangster rap done right. "Many Men" to me is one of the GOAT hip hop songs ever made, shit was as real as it gets. Nelly was a pop rapper, 50 was a street rapper who just happened to know how to make a song that turned pop. 50's lost his way the last couple of years but from GRODT to the GRODT Soundtrack not many in the game could touch him.
lol nelly was just as street as 50 when he first came out. Authentic gangsta rap ? What set did 50 claim ? He was a drug dealer.. About as gangsta as jay-z.
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lol nelly was just as street as 50 when he first came out. Authentic gangsta rap ? What set did 50 claim ? He was a drug dealer.. About as gangsta as jay-z.
Sets are generally more identified with the California gang scene. Fifty was a crack dealer from Southside Queens. Even his own crew that he fell out with (Smurf and SBG) have verified that he was authentic.
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50 and GRODT both overrated.
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50 is not a very proficient lyricist
he was, back in his early days
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lol nelly was just as street as 50 when he first came out. Authentic gangsta rap ? What set did 50 claim ? He was a drug dealer.. About as gangsta as jay-z.
Sets are generally more identified with the California gang scene. Fifty was a crack dealer from Southside Queens. Even his own crew that he fell out with (Smurf and SBG) have verified that he was authentic.
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50 and GRODT both overrated.
Alot of people hate on 50 so I don't see how he's overrated.
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50 was a drug-dealer, didn't bang.. theres a difference. not implyin he's fake, but he's as much a gangsta rapper as nelly or jay-z.
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50 was a drug-dealer, didn't bang.. theres a difference. not implyin he's fake, but he's as much a gangsta rapper as nelly or jay-z.
Not all gangstas are gang-bangers. The Jay comparison I'll give you since they both have similiar upbringings and musical content but the Nelly one confuses me on a strictly artist level since Nelly's content is considerably less aggresive. I'd say he's more a gangsta rapper on the simple grounds that his content is more gangsta-themed than the others mentioned.
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50 was a drug-dealer, didn't bang.. theres a difference. not implyin he's fake, but he's as much a gangsta rapper as nelly or jay-z.
Not all gangstas are gang-bangers. The Jay comparison I'll give you since they both have similiar upbringings and musical content but the Nelly one confuses me on a strictly artist level since Nelly's content is considerably less aggresive. I'd say he's more a gangsta rapper on the simple grounds that his content is more gangsta-themed than the others mentioned.
i guess u never heard Nelly when he first came out..
http://www.youtube.com/v/pRShhhoRawo
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well, i do place eminem amongst the goats, mainstream or not. but 50 cent is not. he's nowhere near the goats. commercially, he was huge. his raps were good and catchy, but his biggest strength was the production team behind him. he's nowhere near the goat's in terms of straight rappin skill.
I would greatly diagree that 50's strength is his production team. He's not a production-driven rapper on the whole. Of the artists under Dre over the years, he appears the least reliant on his involvement in projects. "In Da Club" is arguably one of the strongest Dre productions to come out in the wake of "2001" but 50's song-writing skills tend to get overlooked here and that's my complaint. You might have a better lyricist drop a couple 16's and have Dre hold his hand through the production point but Fifty, to me, knows how to create songs on his own. He tends to grab beat tapes and pick out his own tracks, rather than relying on producers to put stuff together for him so I'm a little confused by this argument that his strengths are the production team. I think that would be more of a valid criticism for someone like Game on his first few albums. 50's strength is his work ethic.
basically, if Dre never fucked wit him, his albums wouldnt be half as good as they are.......not saying that Dre straight carried him, cuz he does have catchy hooks and good concepts, but "GRODT" wouldnt even be nearly as acclaimed as it currently is without Dre's involvement.
nikcc you are so on point wit this because before em & dre got involved wit 50 muthafuckas didn't bump 50 like that and without their involvement in his project he wouldn't have been as big as he became. power of a dollar probably wouldn't have went gold well it was shelved so that shows you how much interest the label at the time (columbia racords) had in him.
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nikcc you are so on point wit this because before em & dre got involved wit 50 muthafuckas did bump 50 like that and without their involvement in his project he wouldn't have been as big as he became. power of a dollar probably wouldn't have went gold well it was shelved so that shows you how much interest the label at the time (columbia racords) had in him.
"Power of Dollar" would have dropped in 2000. The label 86'ed him right after he got shot. He had a video scheduled to shoot, that week, but when he ended up in the hospital, they didn't know what to do and dropped him. Again, we can say Dre and Em were the formula but let's look at all the artists signed to either Aftermath or Shady or both (like Stat Quo was) and ask this. How many of them dropped their first album, ten months after signing with the label? How many had a deal for an Interscope-distributed sub-label before that album even dropped? Hell, even Eminem, the biggest-selling artist in the genre, didn't get an offer until the numbers came back on "Marshall Mathers LP"? Game's sales were pretty big and he still doesn't have distribution for Black Wallstreet. 50 built his own hype off the "mixtape". That's why he got a million dollars to go over there. That's why even though Em was pushing Obie Trice pretty heavy, 50's album came out first. Dre, for his credit, gave 50 a "monster" single but 50 created the outlet to where that single could perform to its strongest potential.
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nikcc you are so on point wit this because before em & dre got involved wit 50 muthafuckas did bump 50 like that and without their involvement in his project he wouldn't have been as big as he became. power of a dollar probably wouldn't have went gold well it was shelved so that shows you how much interest the label at the time (columbia racords) had in him.
"Power of Dollar" would have dropped in 2000. The label 86'ed him right after he got shot. He had a video scheduled to shoot, that week, but when he ended up in the hospital, they didn't know what to do and dropped him. Again, we can say Dre and Em were the formula but let's look at all the artists signed to either Aftermath or Shady or both (like Stat Quo was) and ask this. How many of them dropped their first album, ten months after signing with the label? How many had a deal for an Interscope-distributed sub-label before that album even dropped? Hell, even Eminem, the biggest-selling artist in the genre, didn't get an offer until the numbers came back on "Marshall Mathers LP"? Game's sales were pretty big and he still doesn't have distribution for Black Wallstreet. 50 built his own hype off the "mixtape". That's why he got a million dollars to go over there. That's why even though Em was pushing Obie Trice pretty heavy, 50's album came out first. Dre, for his credit, gave 50 a "monster" single but 50 created the outlet to where that single could perform to its strongest potential.
yeah, he built his buzz off of gettin' shot and beefin' wit murder inc and at that time em then dre became interested. for the most part you are correct.
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..and just like i said, if dre woulda never gotten involved, 50 would still be another random rapper in the game right now. dre did give 50 the ultimate push, that is true.....but without that push, 50 would not be where he is right now. thats all there is to it.
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..and just like i said, if dre woulda never gotten involved, 50 would still be another random rapper in the game right now. dre did give 50 the ultimate push, that is true.....but without that push, 50 would not be where he is right now. thats all there is to it.
No, that's not all there is to it. Dre gave 50 a stamp, not a push. It brought added credibility to the equation, no question, but it also allowed Dr. Dre to put his name on something that was looking like "the next hottest thing". I mean, look at where we're at it. A thread called "Forgotten Aftermath artists". We can name a shit load of them, can't we? Artists who spent years on the label and have nothing but a shelved album to show for it. If Dr. Dre is the common denominator, where are these other artists who got signed and had their album out in under a year? When was the last time Dr. Dre ever worked that fast on anybody's album? I'm sorry but it's bigger than that man or the formula would have been repeated for years to come. And it's not a knock. Dre is, head and shoulders, the greatest producer in hip-hop in my opinion but 50 created that lane for himself. He knew the right channels to hit in terms of promotion and he made himself the fucking face of the mixtape movement. He did the interviews. He had a compelling story to tell. All the elements were right on and of course, having the biggest hit-maker of this era and the white boy stamping him with the seal of approval gave him something extra but it's not unfanthomable to imagine someone doing it without Dr. Dre and the fact was he got what he was worth. If he wasn't worth money without Dre, there wouldn't have been a bidding war over G-Unit before "Get Rich" dropped. How many other "artists" had their own label deal before their debut album was even on store shelves?
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..and just like i said, if dre woulda never gotten involved, 50 would still be another random rapper in the game right now. dre did give 50 the ultimate push, that is true.....but without that push, 50 would not be where he is right now. thats all there is to it.
No, that's not all there is to it. Dre gave 50 a stamp, not a push. It brought added credibility to the equation, no question, but it also allowed Dr. Dre to put his name on something that was looking like "the next hottest thing". I mean, look at where we're at it. A thread called "Forgotten Aftermath artists". We can name a shit load of them, can't we? Artists who spent years on the label and have nothing but a shelved album to show for it. If Dr. Dre is the common denominator, where are these other artists who got signed and had their album out in under a year? When was the last time Dr. Dre ever worked that fast on anybody's album? I'm sorry but it's bigger than that man or the formula would have been repeated for years to come. And it's not a knock. Dre is, head and shoulders, the greatest producer in hip-hop in my opinion but 50 created that lane for himself. He knew the right channels to hit in terms of promotion and he made himself the fucking face of the mixtape movement. He did the interviews. He had a compelling story to tell. All the elements were right on and of course, having the biggest hit-maker of this era and the white boy stamping him with the seal of approval gave him something extra but it's not unfanthomable to imagine someone doing it without Dr. Dre and the fact was he got what he was worth. If he wasn't worth money without Dre, there wouldn't have been a bidding war over G-Unit before "Get Rich" dropped. How many other "artists" had their own label deal before their debut album was even on store shelves?
show me where i said dr. dre can take ANYONE and turn them into 50 cent? cuz thats what ur insinuating and basing your whole essay around. dre saw something very marketable in 50....but without dre, 50's album wouldn't have been as good and he wouldn't be nearly as big. if u wanna type another essay arguing this, go ahead. it's not gunna change my view, brodie.
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eminem actually deserves the credit for bringing 50 cent to Aftermath/Shady
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eminem actually deserves the credit for bringing 50 cent to Aftermath/Shady
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