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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Remedy360 on February 28, 2013, 02:08:16 AM
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Football is done and I have no pro basketball team to follow at this point so it's all about baseball for me as I weather through the winter. Spring training got me pumped to get this season going nothing like the daily ritual of baseball 8) 8)
Use this thread to discuss all things baseball.
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Blue Jays coming out of the AL East this year...
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^ Someone mentioned them on one of the local shows here earlier. Remind me again of some of the moves they made?
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Ichiro hits .400 this year
for about a week or 2 lol
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^ Someone mentioned them on one of the local shows here earlier. Remind me again of some of the moves they made?
They revamped their pitching staff by acquiring 2012 NL Cy Young Winner R.A. Dickey from the Mets as well as Josh Johnson and Mark Buehrle from the Marlins.
They revamped their lineup by acquiring Jose Reyes and Emilio Bonifacio from the Marlins and signed Melky Cabrera to a 2 year deal.
However I'm skeptical about a lot of things about the team like how Reyes and his legs will be on the artificial turf at the RC, if Jose Bautista can came back to form after his wrist injury and how Cabrera's going to perform. Plus there's no way Dickey's going to be the same 20 game winner he was last year and Josh Johnson is always a huge question mark when it comes to health.
Is the team better than the one that was destroyed by injuries in 2012? Yes.
Is it the clear favorite to win the division? No. It made the most splashes out of all of the AL East teams but, keep in mind that the Angels and Marlins did the same in the 2011-2012 offseason and they both missed the playoffs.
That said there aren't any favorites in the AL East.
The Baltimore Orioles haven't improved the squad they ended the 2012 season with. In fact they got worse with the departure of Mark Reynolds. I doubt any encore performance will happen and as of right now I expect them to be fighting for the 4th place spot if they don't bring in some better pitching.
The Boston Red Sox managed to find someone dumb enough to take all of their backloaded contracts last year. Using their freed up money they resigned David Ortiz, gave Shane Victorino a contract he won't live up to, signed Ryan Dempster (who was barely decent in Texas last year) to a 1 year deal and signed Mike Napoli to a 1 year deal. They also got a new manager (the guy who was the Blue Jays' manager last year) but still have Alfredo Aceves fucking around and causing drama already.
Despite being a big market team with a really strong farmsystem that's about to see the cream of the crop arrive, they'll probably be fighting for a 4th place finish this year. Although a bigger issue for the BoSox this year might be what they plan to do with Ellsbury after the season ends and he hits free agency.
The New York Yankees are another year older. They're once again relying on their old vets who signed 1 year contracts (Pettitte, Kuroda, Ichiro & Rivera). They lost A-Rod for at least half of the season and have Kevin Youkilis to take his place in his absence. They are also going to be without Curtis Granderson for the first 10 weeks thanks to being hit by a pitch and they're probably going to see if one of their prospects (names like Zoilo Almonte and Melky Mesa have come up) can handle CF during Spring Training. Or if they can handle LF as the Yankees have considered moving Brett Gardner to CF (a position he was solid in back in the minors). They are also without a catcher right now and are looking at Austin Romine, Francisco Cervelli or Chris Stewart to be their starting catcher, ultimately it'll go to whoever has a hot spring and will tempt the Yankees to ride the hot hand. It'll be a far cry from the days of Jorge Posada and his .800+ OPS, but then again so was Russel Martin last year.
And yes, this is the walk year of Robinson Cano, Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain's contracts. All three will be free agents after the season ends and the Yankees have already (out of character) discussed an extention with Cano and his agent Scott Boras.
Finally the Tampa Bay Rays acquired uber-prospect Will Myes from the Royals during the offseason. They still have enough pitching depth in their system to handle the loss of James Shields and Wade Davis. The questions will be if Evan Longoria can stay healthy, if Will Myers can help the team ASAP to fill the void left by BJ Upton and if anybody in the lineup not named Longoria, Myers or Zobrist can actually produce offensively. Also, if the Rays fall out of contention before the trade deadline, expect them to be involved with several rumors for potantial blockbuster trades centered around their ace, David Price.
And I know I'm biased but for now I'm going to say that the Yankees are going to win the AL East. They won the division last year with pretty much the same squad. While they still have as many question marks as every team (some more than others) they have one thing that the other lineups don't really have, expierence ;).
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the blue jizz will be improved but not much
yankees? depends on if we can manufacture runs without a true "slugger" besides Tex (and maybe Cano) before Grandy gets back. i think Jeter and Ichiro and Gardiner can steal enough bases each to make up for that.....lets hope CC pitches a good 220-235 innings this year.
Rays? they scare me
Orioles? i think they will fall back a little bit
Red sox? joke of the AL East :D
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the blue jizz will be improved but not much
yankees? depends on if we can manufacture runs without a true "slugger" besides Tex (and maybe Cano) before Grandy gets back. i think Jeter and Ichiro and Gardiner can steal enough bases each to make up for that.....lets hope CC pitches a good 220-235 innings this year.
Rays? they scare me
Orioles? i think they will fall back a little bit
Red sox? joke of the AL East :D
Imagine how good the Rays could be if their shithole fan-base gave management some money to work with.
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yep florida is baseball HELL
everyone down there is a yankees fan who retired and moved south lol
i say move both florida teams and revive the EXPOS 8)
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yep florida is baseball HELL
everyone down there is a yankees fan who retired and moved south lol
i say move both florida teams and revive the EXPOS 8)
lol the Expos had some awful attendance too, I think a lot of that was strike related but I couldn't tell you for sure. I'm not as sure about Marlins fans, but yeah, Tampa fans just suck. They've had a contending team for the better part of the last 5 or 6 years and couldn't even sell out when they gave out free tickets.
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i went to an Expos game and id say there were maybe 5000 people there
it was fun tho
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(http://siextramustard.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/jordany-valdespin.jpg?w=500&h=600)
94 MPH pitch thrown by Justin Verlander hits Jordany Valdespin in the balls.
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The Blue Jays on paper run away with that division. Although I think Dickey will be ass. The Yankees lit him up last year.
Yankees are in big trouble.
Give me a LA World Series.
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Only 3 more days until Opening Day, I'm getting pumped.
I see the Cardinals or Nationals winning the WS this year and the AL East is still MLB's best division :).
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Opening day 8) 8) Shoutout to Houston for winning their first game in the AL, welcome to the West my friends ;D
Got my first M's ticket package this year..Yankees, Angels, Rangers, Brewers (Griffey HOF ceremony), Tigers, and Red-Sox 8) 8)
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Much love to the best sport finally starting. Harper may just have a beast of a year Trout style.
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If Dickey can win 20 with the Mets, he has a better chance of doing with Torontos lineup. No question.
Brandon Morrow and Josh Johnson are the two pitchers on the Jays I think will have huge years.
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If Dickey can win 20 with the Mets, he has a better chance of doing with Torontos lineup. No question.
Brandon Morrow and Josh Johnson are the two pitchers on the Jays I think will have huge years.
Yeah, I'm just curious to see how long he can hold up, dude is almost 40 isn't he? And you're welcome for Brandon Morrow btw >:( Jack Z has done a nice job since coming here but that move (League for Morrow) was awful.
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If Dickey can win 20 with the Mets, he has a better chance of doing with Torontos lineup. No question.
Brandon Morrow and Josh Johnson are the two pitchers on the Jays I think will have huge years.
I'm expecting a far down year for Dickey. The Yankees rocked him last year. Far better offenses throughout the division than he saw last year.
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great win for the NY Mess today...they just got dealt a bad blow by Johan being hurt all year sucks ass for them. Johan is one of the best pitchers ever so it sucks to see him hurt.
Johan is probably the 5th best pitcher in my lifetime behind Randy Johnson, Roger Dodger, Pedro and Maddux. just ahead of CC and Halladay.
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Stras already shits on everyone else.
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I see CC's tradition of Losing On Opening Day continued today. Nice to see Cervelli off to a good start, I hope he can be a good stopgap while Sanchez marches towards the show.
And oh yeah, Bryce is a beast.
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dodgers handlin business 8)
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What an awesome day for Kershaw. At this rate he'll definitely be getting that $200 milli one day.
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What an awesome day for Kershaw. At this rate he'll definitely be getting that $200 milli one day.
No doubt, with the deal that Verlander just signed as well as what Kershaw will get King Felix's deal may be looked at as a bargain in a few years lol
Speaking of the King, good way to start the season 8)
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Lol at the Rays trying to rip-off the King's Court.
(http://blogimages.thescore.com/mlb/files/2013/04/Rays-suck.png)
Although I will say this, David Price > Felix Hernandez.
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Lol at the Rays trying to rip-off the King's Court.
(http://blogimages.thescore.com/mlb/files/2013/04/Rays-suck.png)
Although I will say this, David Price > Felix Hernandez.
Debatable. But yes, major ripoff. What the hell do they call that? lol
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I think it's called the K-9 District. Appearently it's from how Price's dog runs around the stadium a lot or something.
I suppose the Rays deserve some credit for trying to come up with a marketing gimmick to draw more fans. Although their way of executing it matches the shittyness of the ballpark.
I don't expect it to last long though since it's obvious that Price will be going to Texas sometime in the future. And when he does you'll see first-hand how awesome David Price is and how fucking annoying it is that he's being awesome against your favorite team.
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I think it's called the K-9 District. Appearently it's from how Price's dog runs around the stadium a lot or something.
I suppose the Rays deserve some credit for trying to come up with a marketing gimmick to draw more fans. Although their way of executing it matches the shittyness of the ballpark.
I don't expect it to last long though since it's obvious that Price will be going to Texas sometime in the future. And when he does you'll see first-hand how awesome David Price is and how fucking annoying it is that he's being awesome against your favorite team.
He is a beast. Price and Darvish on the same team :-X
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(https://fbcdn-photos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/547572_10101409066646108_1066103092_n.jpg)
Oh those Rays and their antics.
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Oh those Rays and their antics.
This made me really mad. So wrong, so, so wrong.
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(https://fbcdn-photos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/547572_10101409066646108_1066103092_n.jpg)
Oh those Rays and their antics.
Damn that shit is fucked up. Was that actually backed by the organization?
Edit, looks like it was just a sign some fan had, still fucked up though.
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yankees beat Verlander 8)
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(https://fbcdn-photos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/547572_10101409066646108_1066103092_n.jpg)
Oh those Rays and their antics.
Damn that shit is fucked up. Was that actually backed by the organization?
Edit, looks like it was just a sign some fan had, still fucked up though.
naah, it was a mascot sign, and the organization took heat for it..
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Edit, looks like it was just a sign some fan had, still fucked up though.
naah, it was a mascot sign, and the organization took heat for it..
Actually it was a sign some fan made and the guy in the mascot suit made the mistake of posing with it.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/22008240
Anyway, nice to see the Tigers get Cerv'd 8).
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Edit, looks like it was just a sign some fan had, still fucked up though.
naah, it was a mascot sign, and the organization took heat for it..
Actually it was a sign some fan made and the guy in the mascot suit made the mistake of posing with it.
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/22008240
Anyway, nice to see the Tigers get Cerv'd 8).
oh ok...yea, i seen that the organization apologized for it, so i just assumed it was theirs
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rumors of Sabathia's demise were highly exaggerated
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Looks like the Rays got hit with karma. This call is still horrible though.
(http://cdn2.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/THIS-IS-NOT-A-STRIKE.gif)
http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/04/09/ben-zobrist-was-called-out-on-one-of-the-worst-3rd-strike-calls-youll-see-this-season-video/?source=top-modules
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(http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/konerko-getz-kuntz.jpg)
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lmao
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Looks like the Rays got hit with karma. This call is still horrible though.
(http://cdn2.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/THIS-IS-NOT-A-STRIKE.gif)
http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/2013/04/09/ben-zobrist-was-called-out-on-one-of-the-worst-3rd-strike-calls-youll-see-this-season-video/?source=top-modules
Texas is on my list of favorite teams so I wasn't mad, but no one can say it wasn't one of the worst pitching calls in history. Joe Nathan smugly walked off like he just got away with shoplifting. So ridiculous.
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clearly a strike ;)
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(http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/konerko-getz-kuntz.jpg)
LOL
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14-1 yankees with the bases loaded 8)
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That Steve Irwin sign is so fucked up, so I felt bad when I laughed to cancel it out.
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Anyone see the brawl between the Padres and Dodgers?
http://www.youtube.com/v/AcrAhpx47do
Quentin is the man 8).
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lmao, he embraced that tackle like it was nuffa
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Anyone see the brawl between the Padres and Dodgers?
http://www.youtube.com/v/AcrAhpx47do
Quentin is the man 8).
He's a plate crowding bitch 8)
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Quinten is a bitch
and this is gonna hurt the Dodgers pretty bad if he's out long term
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Quinten is a bitch
and this is gonna hurt the Dodgers pretty bad if he's out long term
why would he be out long-term?
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Quinten is a bitch
and this is gonna hurt the Dodgers pretty bad if he's out long term
why would he be out long-term?
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/9165707/zack-greinke-los-angeles-dodgers-placed-15-day-disabled-list-surgery-saturday
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DAMN, FROM THE TACKLE OR THE AFTERMATH? FUCKED UP SHIET
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stop yelling at us NIK! :D
yeah man dude was an idiot for throwing his shoulder out there
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He's a plate crowding bitch 8)
He's been hit by pitches more times than any other player the last few years 8).
Still, without Chase Headley, Yasmani Grandal or Carlos Quentin, the Padres fans are going to be in for a long week. But then again they were going to be in for a long season anyway.
As for the Dodgers they've still got pitching depth so I'm sure they'll be fine without Greinke for a while. Although God knows what the reaction would've been if this had happened to Kershaw :sshh:.
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King Felix is going for his 100th career win.
Meanwhile Kershaw got strike-out number 1000.
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another win for Sabathia
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King Felix is going for his 100th career win.
Meanwhile Kershaw got strike-out number 1000.
If he'd played on a league average offense his entire career he probably woulda doubled that by now.
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King Felix is going for his 100th career win.
Meanwhile Kershaw got strike-out number 1000.
If he'd played on a league average offense his entire career he probably woulda doubled that by now.
I dunno man, I mean Kershaw's good but I don't think being backed by a line-up where Kemp wasn't the only threat would've really helped him get 2000 k's by now. (Lame I know, but the "you guys should trade Felix" joke was too easy ;)).
King Felix isn't alone though. Imagine how many wins Roy Halladay would've had by now if he hadn't wasted the early part of his career in Toronto and played for the Yankees instead.
Come to think about it I think he's a perfect fit for the Yankees right now since he's an ex-All Star, old, above the age of 35 and possibly in his decline.
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King Felix is going for his 100th career win.
Meanwhile Kershaw got strike-out number 1000.
If he'd played on a league average offense his entire career he probably woulda doubled that by now.
I dunno man, I mean Kershaw's good but I don't think being backed by a line-up where Kemp wasn't the only threat would've really helped him get 2000 k's by now. (Lame I know, but the "you guys should trade Felix" joke was too easy ;)).
King Felix isn't alone though. Imagine how many wins Roy Halladay would've had by now if he hadn't wasted the early part of his career in Toronto and played for the Yankees instead.
Come to think about it I think he's a perfect fit for the Yankees right now since he's an ex-All Star, old, above the age of 35 and possibly in his decline.
Felix is 90 and 20 something in his career when he's gotten two or more runs of support or something ridiculous like that lol
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Felix is 90 and 20 something in his career when he's gotten two or more runs of support or something ridiculous like that lol
Trade that s.o.b. mwuhahaha :firedevil:
I think that one of the few positives from interleague being played all year round is that now he can take matters into his own hands a lot more often as I think he always hits a grand slam whenever he's up as a batter. Like he's on some Zambrano shit.
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King Felix is going for his 100th career win.
Meanwhile Kershaw got strike-out number 1000.
If he'd played on a league average offense his entire career he probably woulda doubled that by now.
lmao @ thinking he'd be at 200 wins
150 is even ridiculous...maybe 125-135 if he's on an offense like the Yankees 100 extra wins in a career of 241 starts?? lol that's just silly
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King Felix is going for his 100th career win.
Meanwhile Kershaw got strike-out number 1000.
If he'd played on a league average offense his entire career he probably woulda doubled that by now.
lmao @ thinking he'd be at 200 wins
150 is even ridiculous...maybe 125-135 if he's on an offense like the Yankees 100 extra wins in a career of 241 starts?? lol that's just silly
I was exaggerating, but the Mariners have had some of the worst offenses in MLB history (one was actually ranked as the worst) and a bunch of other sub-par ones. 150 isn't really ridiculous though. If you watched the Mariners almost every day like I did you'd know what I was talking about.
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yeah one year you guys had the 14th (out of 14) ranked offense in batting average, on base percentage AND slugging. and less than 600 runs scored (Nobody over 70 runs besides Ichiro)
i'll always remember that team for being so fucking horrible on offense outside of Ichiro
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yeah one year you guys had the 14th (out of 14) ranked offense in batting average, on base percentage AND slugging. and less than 600 runs scored (Nobody over 70 runs besides Ichiro)
i'll always remember that team for being so fucking horrible on offense outside of Ichiro
This was his cy-young season http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=5584763&sportCat=mlb
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http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SEA/2010.shtml
513 runs total...jesus fucking christ how pathetic. ya'll never gonna have a good offense unless u trade Felix for Miggy Cabrera or something
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ya'll had Felix and Lee go 21-15 with a combined 2.30 ERA :eh:
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http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SEA/2010.shtml
513 runs total...jesus fucking christ how pathetic. ya'll never gonna have a good offense unless u trade Felix for Miggy Cabrera or something
The roster has been overhauled since then..I was just trying to prove my point. Outside of Guttierez there's nobody from that team in our lineup anymore. And no I'm not going to talk about tonight's game.
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ya'll need to trade Felix for Miggy or Trout
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we'll give you Cano for Felix if u want
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this years Mets may end up with the worst bullpen ever....even worse than last years Mets
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Cervelli putting in work 8).
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Cervelli putting in work 8).
you jinx! lol
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Cervelli putting in work 8).
you jinx! lol
Oh fuck, lol.
That's the third time I've ruined a team/player's momentum. The first was when I jinxed Matt Harvey's no hitter last week, the second was when I jinxed Clay Buckholz (I dunno how you spell it)'s no-hitter a few days ago.
Only this time it hurts cause I did it against my own team :(, fuck!
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My boy Bryce Harper singlehandedly beating the Mets (for whatever that's worth lol) 8).
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yeah but he went 0-4 against Harvey (the Mets only good pitcher)
still though Harper is gonna be a beast...i heard somewhere that he's on a mission cuz he's tired of people saying Mike Trout is better
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yeah but he went 0-4 against Harvey (the Mets only good pitcher)
still though Harper is gonna be a beast...i heard somewhere that he's on a mission cuz he's tired of people saying Mike Trout is better
Which means that he'd be a no. 3 pitcher on a good team/staff? Lol, Harvey's a beast though, I can see why everybody's comparing him to Tom Seaver.
And Trout was better than Harper last year but at this moment in time I think it's easier to see who's having a weaker sophmore season (although he hit a grand slam today).
I can't wait to see Harper in pinstripes a few years from now :).
Edit: Anyone seeing the Indians vs Astros game? Lol, Humber (the Astros pitcher)'s era was well over 9000.
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yeah but he went 0-4 against Harvey (the Mets only good pitcher)
still though Harper is gonna be a beast...i heard somewhere that he's on a mission cuz he's tired of people saying Mike Trout is better
Which means that he'd be a no. 3 pitcher on a good team/staff? Lol, Harvey's a beast though, I can see why everybody's comparing him to Tom Seaver.
And Trout was better than Harper last year but at this moment in time I think it's easier to see who's having a weaker sophmore season (although he hit a grand slam today).
I can't wait to see Harper in pinstripes a few years from now :).
Edit: Anyone seeing the Indians vs Astros game? Lol, Humber (the Astros pitcher)'s era was well over 9000.
I'd take it down a notch with that one. There's like 150 games left to play. And Trout shat all over Harper last season. It wasn't close.
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I'd take it down a notch with that one. There's like 150 games left to play. And Trout shat all over Harper last season. It wasn't close.
Which is why I said "at this moment." I won't rule out the possibily that Trout will finish the season with better numbers than Harper but so far this season it's been Harper>Trout.
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#MiamiMarlins#Swag
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Sabathia tonight against the Devil Rays 8)
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anddd i jinxed Sabathia lol
time for NBA anyways
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Appearently there've been all sorts of rumors surrounding Robinson Cano and the infamous Biogenesis (I think that's how it's spelled) Clinic. I hope it's all BS (or somehow leads to Cano getting an extention).
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yeah someone who runs his chairty foundation went to the clinic last summer..she says it was for weight loss help
i've also noticed Gio Gonzalez sucks so far this year.... Ryan Braun is doing okay though
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yeah someone who runs his chairty foundation went to the clinic last summer..she says it was for weight loss help
i've also noticed Gio Gonzalez sucks so far this year.... Ryan Braun is doing okay though
Yeah that's what I've heard/read as well. Everybody and their grandma is ready to point fingers and call Cano a "shitty human being" though ::).
Gio's been pretty shakey, but I think he'll be able to turn around be a decent top 30-ranking pitcher.
He ain't no Andy Pettitte though ;), Andy at age 41 so far has looked like a better pitcher than the age 31 Andy.
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I believe in Robinson...but nobody would surprise me as a roider except for skinny old Ichiro
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I believe in Robinson...but nobody would surprise me as a roider except for skinny old Ichiro
LOL. Imagine if Ichiro had been on roids his entire career, he'd probably be top 10 all time based on how great his swing/work ethic are.
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it's funny cuz Ichiro loves to hit homers in batting practice but never in games
dude could probably have had 20 points less on his average if he wanted to be a 25+ home run guy
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it's funny cuz Ichiro loves to hit homers in batting practice but never in games
dude could probably have had 20 points less on his average if he wanted to be a 25+ home run guy
Yeah, I went to the HR derby when the ASG was at Safe-Co in 2001 and during BP dude hit at least 15-20 out in a row effortlessly, it was incredible. The whole power question (among other things) was a question that floated around here a lot and a reason he always kinda had a reputation of being selfish. Of course, there's always guys that can put on shows during BP that suck during games but Ichiro was such a great hitter that it really makes you think. At this stage in his career I doubt he could do it anyways but who knows what he coulda been in his prime.
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agreed
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but who knows what he coulda been in his prime.
Dude could've broken Pete Rose's all time hit record.
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but who knows what he coulda been in his prime.
Dude could've broken Pete Rose's all time hit record.
slim but possible chance...he'd probably fall a bit short of 4K
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but who knows what he coulda been in his prime.
Dude could've broken Pete Rose's all time hit record.
slim but possible chance...he'd probably fall a bit short of 4K
If he played in the MLB his whole career he coulda, dude had 260+ hits one season and had 200+ every year until 2011.
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Just when everyone was writing off Ichiro he comes through big 8).
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Just when everyone was writing off Ichiro he comes through big 8).
MY MAN!
too bad Mo had to give up that home run to that homo Longoria but at least he got another save to add to his career total
i swear, NOBODY will pass Mo in saves. Kimbrel has wish all he wants but the only guy with a legit chance is Crapelbon if he plays another 12 years
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too bad Mo had to give up that home run to that homo Longoria but at least he got another save to add to his career total
i swear, NOBODY will pass Mo in saves. Kimbrel has wish all he wants but the only guy with a legit chance is Crapelbon if he plays another 12 years
Longo's a beast. He carried his entire team to the playoffs in 2011 and somehow convinced that cheap-ass ownership group to give him a $100 million contract.
And while I don't expect him to pass Mo, I'd like to see this kid the Yankees have right now named Mark Montgomery give it a try and be the next 600 save pitcher.
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now they can't afford david price in 2 years
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Fuck, Cervelli went down and needs surgery :(.
But the good news is that Nova's down as well, the Yankees have won 2 games straight and now we're going to face the Astros ;D.
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Fuck yu
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Fuck yu
Hehe, look on the bright side, everyone else in the Rangers rotation kinda sucks.
BTW I now know how you probably felt when the Mariners lost to the Astros. The Yankees got destroyed by them today (9-1), and our best pitcher, so far, Andy Pettitte was on the mound. And if I didn't know any better, I'd say Lucas Harrell is a pretty decent pitcher. Could be a decent #5 or good long-man on a good staff.
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Bryce Harper has been replaced by Bernadina. If he goes on the DL, the Nats are fucked.
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Fuck yu
Hehe, look on the bright side, everyone else in the Rangers rotation kinda sucks.
BTW I now know how you probably felt when the Mariners lost to the Astros. The Yankees got destroyed by them today (9-1), and our best pitcher, so far, Andy Pettitte was on the mound. And if I didn't know any better, I'd say Lucas Harrell is a pretty decent pitcher. Could be a decent #5 or good long-man on a good staff.
Yeah, those two series were honestly as frustrated as I've been with the team in a while. The fucking Astros :-\
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Yeah, those two series were honestly as frustrated as I've been with the team in a while. The fucking Astros :-\
And to think the mood a few months ago was...
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Yeah, those two series were honestly as frustrated as I've been with the team in a while. The fucking Astros :-\
And to think the mood a few months ago was...
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Lol we've been playing better ball lately. That was tough though.
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if yall want this sticky, this thread's gunna have to generate more discussion
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What do you guys make of the Bucholz spitball accusation? I wouldn't know a spitter if I saw one, but his pitches did have some crazy movement for how fast they were going.
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Meh, pitchers are always putting junk on the balls to get a tighter grip.
Like (I think) CJ Wilson does this thing where he puts something in his hair and before every pitch he's constantly touching his hair and getting whatever the heck he's relying on for better control on the ball. Same goes for those pitchers who're always touching their hats.
Regarding Bucholz and Tazawa, I wouldn't be surprised if Morris and Dirk's accusations were true, but from what I've heard they appearently got word of the "suspicious deed" from a guy who noticed it on a TV screen. Not to mention that the Blue Jays staff didn't have them checked or anything (then again they are a team based in Canada, eh). All in all I couldn't really care less though. Unless it leads to a Bucholz suspension and if it did I'd host a fucking parade.
Other than that the only thing that came to mind about that whole situation is that the Jack Morris vs Dennis Eckersley situation is a classic dick-measuring contest.
Like here are two relatively old dudes who've had very successful careers in the MLB but yet you've got the,
"Sit your ass back down, you're not a member of the HoF!" "I pitched more innings in the 1991 World Series than you did in your entire career!" subtexts going back and forth. And boy is it pretty laughable.
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I hope J.A. Happ's alright. That injury was fucking scary.
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I hope J.A. Happ's alright. That injury was fucking scary.
It's funny, cause baseballs pretty safe compared to other sports as far as major injuries go, but a baseball coming at your head can fuck you up as bad as anything. Sounds like he's ok though.
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It's funny, cause baseballs pretty safe compared to other sports as far as major injuries go, but a baseball coming at your head can fuck you up as bad as anything. Sounds like he's ok though.
Well the pretty sad and grim thing is that injuries like the one that Happ went through can occur at any given moment. Even last year we saw Brandon McCarthy go down with the same kind of injury. And IMO I'm kinda surprised it hasn't happened more often.
That said I expect (and somewhat hope) that a movement towards protective headgear made towards pitchers will be put into action. Not exactly a bulky huge helmet like a batting helmet but something that can offer a lot more protection than just a regular baseball hat without being much of a distraction for the pitcher.
And if the MLB is smart (which is relatively questionable IMO) they'll put it into action very slowly. Like maybe testing stuff like that at the minor league level first and then gradually seeing the number of people using/willing to use it increase until they can say "this is a rule now."
The last thing I (and I'm sure I'm not alone) want to see is to see the MLB wait until a guy dies before finally doing something about it.
BTW, Happ looks like he's okay thank God. Appearently he was released from the hospital on crutches (he suffered a knee injury when he fell) and with a bandage over his head.
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It's funny, cause baseballs pretty safe compared to other sports as far as major injuries go, but a baseball coming at your head can fuck you up as bad as anything. Sounds like he's ok though.
That said I expect (and somewhat hope) that a movement towards protective headgear made towards pitchers will be put into action.
Agreed. I remember when Rafael Soriano played here he got smashed in the face by a Vladamir Guererrero line-drive that went all the way back to the backstop, I honestly thought dude might die at first. Shit's no joke.
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I see those umpires are still getting calls wrong.
The A's were robbed of a potential game tying home-run that actually was a home-run, only to be ruled as a double and they eventually lost the game to dumb-ass Chris Perez.
But since none of us are Oakland fans or Cleveland fans, fuck them, both of them.
What's more important (at least IMO) is how Vernon Wells was manning third base for the Yankees yesterday and was great there.
Suck it Angels.
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I'm starting to wonder who everyone (who likes MLB) is a fan of on this board.
I know Remedy is a Mariners fan
Hack, Cham, DJ SUGAFREE QUIK and Ghost are Yankees fans (or at least I think they are)
Nikcc's a Dodgers fan
Plant's a Blue Jays fan (so was Knuckles)
Bananas' a Giants fan (I think)
M Dogg, um, Angels(?)
Infinite, erm, Royals? (Or did he give up on them already?)
You'd think that a forum focused on cali-based hip hop would have at least one Oakland A's fan and maybe one Padres fan.
I know that there were a few more Dodgers and even a Red Sox fan in the past, although I'm guessing they stopped coming here around the time Game had dropped My Life.
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I'm starting to wonder who everyone (who likes MLB) is a fan of on this board.
I know Remedy is a Mariners fan
Hack, Cham, DJ SUGAFREE QUIK and Ghost are Yankees fans (or at least I think they are)
Nikcc's a Dodgers fan
Plant's a Blue Jays fan (so was Knuckles)
Bananas' a Giants fan (I think)
M Dogg, um, Angels(?)
Infinite, erm, Royals? (Or did he give up on them already?)
You'd think that a forum focused on cali-based hip hop would have at least one Oakland A's fan and maybe one Padres fan.
I know that there were a few more Dodgers and even a Red Sox fan in the past, although I'm guessing they stopped coming here around the time Game had dropped My Life.
Yeah, but NIK's really just a casual fan, doesn't really talk baseball. The rest of 'em don't really post here all that much, me you Hack and Cham are really the only ones involved in baseball discussions regularly it seems.
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I'm starting to wonder who everyone (who likes MLB) is a fan of on this board.
I know Remedy is a Mariners fan
Hack, Cham, DJ SUGAFREE QUIK and Ghost are Yankees fans (or at least I think they are)
Nikcc's a Dodgers fan
Plant's a Blue Jays fan (so was Knuckles)
Bananas' a Giants fan (I think)
M Dogg, um, Angels(?)
Infinite, erm, Royals? (Or did he give up on them already?)
You'd think that a forum focused on cali-based hip hop would have at least one Oakland A's fan and maybe one Padres fan.
I know that there were a few more Dodgers and even a Red Sox fan in the past, although I'm guessing they stopped coming here around the time Game had dropped My Life.
acgrundy was an oakland a's fan
rik and javier were dodger fans...a few others, as well, just look back in the official dodgers thread
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vernon wells and robbie cano for co MVPs
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vernon wells and robbie cano for co MVPs
Gotta give props to the Yankees for doing as well as they have with all those injuries/castoffs on their team.
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vernon wells and robbie cano for co MVPs
Make it Wells, Cano and Overbay for co-MVPs.
Gotta give props to the Yankees for doing as well as they have with all those injuries/castoffs on their team.
And what's kinda intersting is that they seemingly always do this. Just last year the Yankees got incredibly good production from guys like Andrew Jones, Raul Ibanez, Andy Pettitte and Ichiro Suzuki, guys who everyone kinda wrote off as "has-beens" that were probably going to retire after the season ends.
Whichi is why next year I expect to see Roy Halladay in pinstripes 8).
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http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=330514110
LOL @ Seattle....King Felix gets a 3-0 lead and they still lose :D
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http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=330514110
LOL @ Seattle....King Felix gets a 3-0 lead and they still lose :D
Y'all got lucky that Felix got hurt and that the Ump felt the need to give you that gift and give a walk in that inning when the pitch was clearly strike three.
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I'm starting to wonder who everyone (who likes MLB) is a fan of on this board.
I know Remedy is a Mariners fan
Hack, Cham, DJ SUGAFREE QUIK and Ghost are Yankees fans (or at least I think they are)
You'd think that a forum focused on cali-based hip hop would have at least one Oakland A's fan and maybe one Padres fan.
A lot of the A's fans in oakland might have been shot dead, cause they live in oakland.
Might as well call the Astros the Lastros.
And I actually retired watching mlb in 93. Went off in a great note watching the Blue Jays win their 2nd WS in a row ;D And i'm the biggest yankee hater who isn't a red sox fan. Last time i've pulled for them is against the twins from 83-92. Bad enuff that they're the only non-football team i'd cheer white power hate groups over=game or street fight but i'd rather join a white power hate group than to sellout to them.
And I don't mean them idiot black & mexican gangbangers who do the aryan nations dirty work for them.
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I'm starting to wonder who everyone (who likes MLB) is a fan of on this board.
I know Remedy is a Mariners fan
Hack, Cham, DJ SUGAFREE QUIK and Ghost are Yankees fans (or at least I think they are)
Nikcc's a Dodgers fan
Plant's a Blue Jays fan (so was Knuckles)
Bananas' a Giants fan (I think)
M Dogg, um, Angels(?)
Infinite, erm, Royals? (Or did he give up on them already?)
You'd think that a forum focused on cali-based hip hop would have at least one Oakland A's fan and maybe one Padres fan.
I know that there were a few more Dodgers and even a Red Sox fan in the past, although I'm guessing they stopped coming here around the time Game had dropped My Life.
Yep Angels. And boy let me tell you, I don't think the Angels will ever be a free agency big spending team and do it well. The Angels need to go back to what got them to so many playoffs in the 2000's, minor league development.
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A lot of the A's fans in oakland might have been shot dead, cause they live in oakland.
Might as well call the Astros the Lastros.
And I actually retired watching mlb in 93. Went off in a great note watching the Blue Jays win their 2nd WS in a row ;D And i'm the biggest yankee hater who isn't a red sox fan. Last time i've pulled for them is against the twins from 83-92. Bad enuff that they're the only non-football team i'd cheer white power hate groups over=game or street fight but i'd rather join a white power hate group than to sellout to them.
And I don't mean them idiot black & mexican gangbangers who do the aryan nations dirty work for them.
Oh, my bad. I'll put you down as a Blue Jays fan then.
Yep Angels. And boy let me tell you, I don't think the Angels will ever be a free agency big spending team and do it well. The Angels need to go back to what got them to so many playoffs in the 2000's, minor league development.
They need to draft and develop more players whose last names are also the names of fish.
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A lot of the A's fans in oakland might have been shot dead, cause they live in oakland.
Might as well call the Astros the Lastros.
And I actually retired watching mlb in 93. Went off in a great note watching the Blue Jays win their 2nd WS in a row ;D And i'm the biggest yankee hater who isn't a red sox fan. Last time i've pulled for them is against the twins from 83-92. Bad enuff that they're the only non-football team i'd cheer white power hate groups over=game or street fight but i'd rather join a white power hate group than to sellout to them.
And I don't mean them idiot black & mexican gangbangers who do the aryan nations dirty work for them.
Oh, my bad. I'll put you down as a Blue Jays fan then.
Yep Angels. And boy let me tell you, I don't think the Angels will ever be a free agency big spending team and do it well. The Angels need to go back to what got them to so many playoffs in the 2000's, minor league development.
They need to draft and develop more players whose last names are also the names of fish.
It's worked in the past. Salmon, now Trout. If we can draft a Bass, Perch, and a pitcher with the nickname of Catfish, I can't see how the Angels ever have a losing season for the next 10-15 years.
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I hear Josh Goldfish is tearing up the double A pitching circuit
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I hear Josh Goldfish is tearing up the double A pitching circuit
Sign him. He can join the rotation with Catfish. We need a number 2.
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Well whad'ya know, this thread is stickied. Now watch it go into hibernation for a few weeks lol.
Anyway, the Verlander v.s. Darvish match-up tonight sounds promising 8).
And Price's going to be miss his next start with an injury. Is he this year's version of Evan Longoria (the guy the team needs, but falls to injury)?
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Well whad'ya know, this thread is stickied. Now watch it go into hibernation for a few weeks lol.
it better not, or i'm takin this muthafucka down!
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Speaking of going down, Andy Pettitte and Chris Stewart might be headed to the DL.
Which not only further turns the Yankees' DL into the roster that everyone thought it was going to be in mid August/early September.
If Andy's going to be out for a while I suspect they'll bring up Nuno again. And if Stewart goes down, well I'm guessing they'll bring up whoever's the catcher for Scranton.
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Well that Verlander vs Darvish game wasn't exactly what I had in mind. In the end the Tigers lost and Darvish got the win so it was a good game but I would've liked to see Justin Verlander be the 7 inning Cy Young candidate and not the guy who choked in the 2012 All Star Game. Maybe a Darvish vs Scherzer match-up would've been a lot better?
Although it further proves my point that Clayton Kershaw is the best pitcher in all of baseball right now :).
Looking forward to this year's draft. My Yankees get three first round picks this year 8), which probably means that they'll go after another High School arm that'll be outta baseball in 2~3 years.
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Well whad'ya know, this thread is stickied. Now watch it go into hibernation for a few weeks lol.
Anyway, the Verlander v.s. Darvish match-up tonight sounds promising 8).
And Price's going to be miss his next start with an injury. Is he this year's version of Evan Longoria (the guy the team needs, but falls to injury)?
Verlander got anal raped hahaha
i hate that guy
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Verlander got anal raped hahaha
i hate that guy
Yeah I'm not a fan of that guy either. But I do go a little easy on him since he's managed to make himself look like a retard like during last year's ASG, the 2012 World Series and when he got denied by Kate Upton.
At least he hasn't had any issues with alcohol like Migay Cabrera (he's the guy that I personally hate lol).
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miggy is straight amazing
it's crazy how he and Prince are in the same lineup
just not fair lol
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I'm still waiting for him to fail his drug test.
And what's really not fair is that they get to play in the AL Central which is pretty much the shittiest division in all of baseball. The Tigers are a decent team and because everybody else sucks their fans can buy post-season tickets on Opening Day.
I mean if you moved any one of the 5 teams iin the AL East (yes, including Boston) to that shitty ass division they'd take it no sweat.
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I'm still waiting for him to fail his drug test.
And what's really not fair is that they get to play in the AL Central which is pretty much the shittiest division in all of baseball. The Tigers are a decent team and because everybody else sucks their fans can buy post-season tickets on Opening Day.
I mean if you moved any one of the 5 teams iin the AL East (yes, including Boston) to that shitty ass division they'd take it no sweat.
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i like what the indians are doing so far but yeah man Detroit only needed 88 wins to take the division last year
but give them credit, they dominated the AL in the post season before the Giants somehow raped them. Last years Giants might be the worst team to win the world series in years lol
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i like what the indians are doing so far but yeah man Detroit only needed 88 wins to take the division last year
but give them credit, they dominated the AL in the post season before the Giants somehow raped them. Last years Giants might be the worst team to win the world series in years lol
The Indians always start off the season hot but find themselves out of contention by mid-August, I doubt this year is any different.
And I will not give them any sort of credit.
First off they managed to slide into the post-season last year because they won that shitty ass AL Central, meanwhile the Angels and Rays missed the postseason despite finishing with better records than the Tigers, that's bullshit.
Second, they did not dominate the AL. The Oakland A's gave them a run for their money in the ALDS and nearly knocked them out of contention. The Tigers just happened to win and then they only had to face a tired, old Yankees team that was just relying on it's starting pitching and Raul Ibanez.
Third, they got swept in the WS by another team that got to the postseason because their division was a shitty one and one that didn't even have their true ace (stoner Tim) at 100%.
They just got to the WS thanks to their circumstances and sheer luck. They bested the A's and Yanks in a short series that practically anybody could win (which is pretty much the same for the Giants).
And while I was writting this post I decided to rank the MLB divisions from worst to best.
AL Central < NL West < AL West < NL East < NL Central < AL East
The AL Central sucks because it's only got 1 good team, 3 mediocre ones and 1 really shitty one.
The NL West sucks because it's got 1 good team, 1 team that should be a lot better but isn't, 1 mediocre one and 2 crappy ones.
The AL West has 1 good team, 1 team that should be better but sucks, 2 mediocre teams and 1 really crappy one.
The NL East have 2 good teams, 2 mediocre teams and 1 crappy team.
The NL Central have 2 good teams and 3 mediocre ones.
The AL East have 5 kinda good, mostly overachieving teams (although there is 1 team that should be better but isn't) but they've all played so relatively well that the division is tough as shit. And yes, I'm biased sue me 8).
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NL central is nuts this year
the Reds are my pick to make the world series (since the Dodgers are underachievers)
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Although I picked the Nats as my WS winner (ugh :P), I think that the Cardinals win the NL Central. The amount of depth that team has both pitching and hitting wise is incredible. I have the Reds as one of the 2 NL wild card teams that'll go up against either the Braves or Nats.
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carlos beltran is the man...except when he's a Met 8)
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I personally didn't mind when he was a Met, he managed to re-enforce the fact that the baseball Gods have denied the Mets of ever having a good outfield/outfielder haha.
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I personally didn't mind when he was a Met, he managed to re-enforce the fact that the baseball Gods have denied the Mets of ever having a good outfield/outfielder haha.
same with Jason Bay 8)
i've been spending a lot of time in NY lately and you should hear how the Mets fans hate on that guy :D :D :D
just the other day they were talking about who's worse, Ike Davis (batting .157) or J-Bay.
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Yeah I know how much hate Bay gets as I've got a few friends who are Mets fans. And a lot of those Mets fans still seem to make those "still a better hitter than Jason Bay" memes, I suppose they've got nothing better to do than wait for the next Matt Harvey start.
And I think Davis is better than Bay. More than anything because of his contract which is a lot smaller than the one Bay got. And as sad as it may be, Davis is basically the only Met who can hit home runs.
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i can't wait til the Mets can't afford both Harvey and Wheeler and one of them goes into free agency lol
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If Wheeler, Syndergaard and d'Arnaud all pan out and become the players that the scouts say they will and if Harvey stays pitching and hitting like yesterday the Mets will definitely have to let at least 1 of them go.
That said, the Mets' rotation in 3 years could be a filthy one. Harvey the ace, Wheeler the no. 2, Niese the solid no. 3, Syndergaard the no. 4 and another pitching prospect in the 5 spot (maybe Juerys Familia?).
I can picture them all pitching 7 innings of scoreless or 1-run ball with each outing but the the bull-pen still manages fuck it up.
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Well the Angels have something to cheer about, they have a decent pitcher in Jason Vargas.
Oh and that Trout guy just hit for the cycle.
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Well the Angels have something to cheer about, they have a decent pitcher in Jason Vargas.
Oh and that Trout guy just hit for the cycle.
Shit, I'm just going to pretend Vargas is a type of fish. We are good.
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Anyone else read this?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/gross-houston-astros-vendor-fired-bringing-snow-cone-143626343.html
This story fits well with how Aramark Foods pledges to give the fans a taste of the Astros with every bite ;).
That said, part of me can only wonder how common this kinda shit is in all professional sports stadiums...
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A lot of the A's fans in oakland might have been shot dead, cause they live in oakland.
Might as well call the Astros the Lastros.
And I actually retired watching mlb in 93. Went off in a great note watching the Blue Jays win their 2nd WS in a row ;D And i'm the biggest yankee hater who isn't a red sox fan. Last time i've pulled for them is against the twins from 83-92. Bad enuff that they're the only non-football team i'd cheer white power hate groups over=game or street fight but i'd rather join a white power hate group than to sellout to them.
And I don't mean them idiot black & mexican gangbangers who do the aryan nations dirty work for them.
Oh, my bad. I'll put you down as a Blue Jays fan then.
No big deal. Back then there were lots of teams 2 like in the 80's. Its possible for me to be professional when discussing teams, even ones I despise. The canadian teams[they had the coolest uniforms-light blue], missouri teams, Astros[rainbow jerseys, on shoulders & stomach] 80's cards & royals. I wanted the talent & championships spreaded around.
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Yep, Milton Bradley's a piece of shit.
LOS ANGELES -- A jury on Monday convicted former Los Angeles Dodgers outfielder Milton Bradley of abusing his estranged wife.
Bradley, 35, was convicted after a four-week trial of nine misdemeanor counts, including four counts of spousal battery, one count of assault with a deadly weapon and one count of making criminal threats, Los Angeles city attorney's spokesman Frank Mateljan said. He faces up to 7˝ years in jail at his sentencing, which is scheduled for July 2.
Prosecutors said Bradley threatened and attacked his wife five times in 2011 and 2012. The two have been married for five years and have two children together, but are separated and in the middle of a contentious divorce.
In one incident, Bradley pushed his wife against a wall and choked her after she asked him to stop smoking marijuana in front of their children and wanted his friends to leave their home, police and prosecutors said.
"Domestic violence will not be tolerated, regardless of perceived celebrity or notoriety, and violators will be held fully accountable for their actions," City Attorney Carmen Trutanich said in a statement.
A phone message left after business hours for Bradley's attorney Harland Braun was not immediately returned.
Bradley played 11 years with the Dodgers, Montreal Expos, Cleveland Indians, Oakland Athletics, San Diego Padres, Texas Rangers, Chicago Cubs and Seattle Mariners.
His playing history was marred by several confrontational outbursts. The Dodgers traded him to Oakland in 2005 after he threw a water bottle at fans and had a clubhouse run-in with a reporter. During his brief term with Seattle, he was suspended for a game for bumping an umpire and ejected for arguing a called third strike.
He's been a free agent since the Mariners released him in 2011.
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maybe she deserved it?
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maybe she deserved it?
Sometimes I wonder what century you live in?
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maybe she deserved it?
she overcooked his filet mignon
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maybe she deserved it?
Sometimes I wonder what century you live in?
i live in a time where it's okay to give ur wife a good spankin every once in a while when she messes up. women are like children and we've given 'em way too much power in this current society. it also explains why 90% of women are misguided hoes, but u fail to see the big picture. sometimes i wish i still lived in this era:
http://www.youtube.com/v/VprIbx4QkPc
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maybe she deserved it?
The guy's been a psycho his entire career, http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2011/05/milt-down-countdown-the-worst-of-milton-bradley/. If anything, her mistake was marrying a piece of shit with retard strength.
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Most depressing loss from the M's I can remember in a while. Absolutely speechless.
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Aaron Harang blows dick. You guys will shell Bonderman tomorrow as well, dude should not be in an MLB rotation. We have a chance to split with Saunders and Felix going the next few days though.
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Aaron Harang blows dick. You guys will shell Bonderman tomorrow as well, dude should not be in an MLB rotation. We have a chance to split with Saunders and Felix going the next few days though.
And the M's offense will find a way to screw it up ;).
Anyone else follow the draft? I followed the entire draft on MLB.com's stream yesterday (only the 1st, 2nd and competitive lottery balance picks).
Mark Appel was picked first overall by the Houston Astros (your M's better look out Remedy, the Astros are going to take that division... in 2016).
The Yankees had themselves three first rounders yesterday and got themselves Eric Jagielo, Aaron Judge and Ian Clarkin. Jagielo and Judge are pretty promising hitters. Clarkin's going to be a question mark though since he's said to be committed to USD and he said his favorite moment was seeing the Yankees lose to the D-Backs in the World Series because he can't stand the Yankees lol.
And just today the Yankees picked Michael O'Neill (Paul O'Neill's nephew). Awesome.
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Aaron Harang blows dick. You guys will shell Bonderman tomorrow as well, dude should not be in an MLB rotation. We have a chance to split with Saunders and Felix going the next few days though.
And the M's offense will find a way to screw it up ;).
Anyone else follow the draft? I followed the entire draft on MLB.com's stream yesterday (only the 1st, 2nd and competitive lottery balance picks).
Mark Appel was picked first overall by the Houston Astros (your M's better look out Remedy, the Astros are going to take that division... in 2016).
The Yankees had themselves three first rounders yesterday and got themselves Eric Jagielo, Aaron Judge and Ian Clarkin. Jagielo and Judge are pretty promising hitters. Clarkin's going to be a question mark though since he's said to be committed to USD and he said his favorite moment was seeing the Yankees lose to the D-Backs in the World Series because he can't stand the Yankees lol.
And just today the Yankees picked Michael O'Neill (Paul O'Neill's nephew). Awesome.
Yeah, watched it too. Our first guy (12) sounds like a pure hitter, DJ Peterson I think it is. More intruiged by the guy we got at 49, Austin Wilson. Big athletic outfielder that a lot of people thought had front end talent but needs to tweak some of his swinging mechanics. Ever since Bill Bevasi's dumbass traded Adam Jones all I've wanted is an athletic power hitting outfielder and it looks like he has the potential to do so.
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Yeah, watched it too. Our first guy (12) sounds like a pure hitter, DJ Peterson I think it is. More intruiged by the guy we got at 49, Austin Wilson. Big athletic outfielder that a lot of people thought had front end talent but needs to tweak some of his swinging mechanics. Ever since Bill Bevasi's dumbass traded Adam Jones all I've wanted is an athletic power hitting outfielder and it looks like he has the potential to do so.
I was actually talking with a friend of mine who's an M's fan and according to him every hitter that Seattle selects in the draft is doomed from the moment they're picked. Not sure if you'd agree with that but judging from how Smoak, Montero and Ackley have been terrible and how Zunino seems to be struggling in the minors, I think it's time the M's got themselves some new hitting instructors. Although I hear that Seager seems to be swinging a bat so hot it left Hawk Harrelson speechless...
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Yeah, watched it too. Our first guy (12) sounds like a pure hitter, DJ Peterson I think it is. More intruiged by the guy we got at 49, Austin Wilson. Big athletic outfielder that a lot of people thought had front end talent but needs to tweak some of his swinging mechanics. Ever since Bill Bevasi's dumbass traded Adam Jones all I've wanted is an athletic power hitting outfielder and it looks like he has the potential to do so.
I was actually talking with a friend of mine who's an M's fan and according to him every hitter that Seattle selects in the draft is doomed from the moment they're picked. Not sure if you'd agree with that but judging from how Smoak, Montero and Ackley have been terrible and how Zunino seems to be struggling in the minors, I think it's time the M's got themselves some new hitting instructors. Although I hear that Seager seems to be swinging a bat so hot it left Hawk Harrelson speechless...
Well Ackley is the only one that actually came up through our farm system, Smoak came up with Texas and Montero came up with you guys. Ackleys been hitting well in AAA and I feel like he's young enough that he can still turn it around. As for Zunino, this time last year the guy was hitting in college. He started last year after the Gators season was over and absolutely tore the cover off the ball to the point where they started him in AAA this year. He's struggled a bit yeah but the guy is way too young to make any type of major assessments about. Seager has been good and Nick Franklin has looked good as well in a small sample size. The Mariner's are incredibly frustrating but it sounds like your friend is suffering from JMS (Jaded Mariner Fan Syndrome.) It makes you think irrationally but is quite common in these parts.
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True, but isn't it a little odd that a lot of the highly touted guys have managed to find ways to struggle? I mean I know the whole "Safeco is a hitter's graveyard" thing but it's quite a coinkidink.
That said, today's game was awesome. King Felix and Phelpsie were pretty good, I loved how the game ended as well (the Yankees winning of course ;)).
But going back to the M's for a bit, do you see Ackley being converted into something else? From what I've heard Franklin appears to be better defensively and could possibly be the M's secondbaseman of the future, meaning that Ackley might have to move somewhere else. Seeing as how the M's are currently trying to convert Jesus Montero into a DH/1st baseman (or at least I think they are, if not then they're really dumb), I'm going to guess maybe Ackley becomes a thridbaseman or an outfielder? I suppose this was a problem the M's were going to have to face eventually but what do you think?
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True, but isn't it a little odd that a lot of the highly touted guys have managed to find ways to struggle? I mean I know the whole "Safeco is a hitter's graveyard" thing but it's quite a coinkidink.
That said, today's game was awesome. King Felix and Phelpsie were pretty good, I loved how the game ended as well (the Yankees winning of course ;)).
But going back to the M's for a bit, do you see Ackley being converted into something else? From what I've heard Franklin appears to be better defensively and could possibly be the M's secondbaseman of the future, meaning that Ackley might have to move somewhere else. Seeing as how the M's are currently trying to convert Jesus Montero into a DH/1st baseman (or at least I think they are, if not then they're really dumb), I'm going to guess maybe Ackley becomes a thridbaseman or an outfielder? I suppose this was a problem the M's were going to have to face eventually but what do you think?
No, it definitely strange. I think at this point most would say that its unlikely that Smoak amounts to a whole lot (although his OBP was great before he went down) but I don't think the jury is out on Ackley or Montero yet, although the whole biogensis thing could possibly explain why Montero's sucked so much this year. The funny thing about Ackley is that he played OF everywhere until he was with the M's organization, and a lot of scouts thought he'd never be a good second basemen but he was actually a gold glove finalist. He's probably better at the position than Franklin is, but I think it'll ultimately come down to who is hitting better. Definitely wouldn't be surprised to see Ackley move somewhere in the outfield though. It all depends on who pans out, but having more hitters than we have positions is a problem I'll take anyday with what we've dealt with the last few years. Oh, and todays game sucked. Another great effort ruined.
I have to say you do impress me with what you know about the M's though, I can talk Seattle all day but couldn't tell you much about any team besides them lol
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I have to say you do impress me with what you know about the M's though, I can talk Seattle all day but couldn't tell you much about any team besides them lol
I'll take that as a compliment.
While I'll never root for any team other than the Yankees (except maybe their minor league affiliates and Team Japan in the WBC), I try and keep tabs on what's happening across the majors. More than anything because I'm such a baseball nerd with too much free time and look at sites like baseball reference, mlbtraderumors and the like on a near daily basis. The fact that most of my friends are fans of various teams (M's, Twins, Giants etc...) and randomly send me news (or in most cases rants and complaints about their teams) doesn't hurt either.
And Seattle's one of the easier teams for me to keep track of since several names involved are ex-Yanks (Montero, Noesi, Almonte, Mitchell etc...). Through the draft and through trades they've gathered a handful of pieces that could be part of their future and it's pretty easy to see what's in store for them.
Like with Ackley and Franklin. I think it's pretty clear that if/when these two made it to the big leagues the M's were going to have to move one of them to a different position. Arguements could be made for the better hitter to stay or for the better defender to stay. I think we'll all have to wait and see how that unfolds as I don't expect an answer to appear before 2015.
You've also got Montero and Zunino. From what I've heard Zunino appears to be the better defender compared to Montero who's future behind the plate has been in question since his time in New York. And almost all of the "experts" think he's better suited for 1st base or the DH role and maybe form a platoon with Smoak. Now might be the best time for to convert Montero into a 1st baseman/DH, but I guess we'll have to wait see what happens with this as well.
Throw in the other names like Smoak, Almonte, Peterson, Wilson and Seager and they've managed to establish a pretty nice base to work off of in the upcoming years.
As always they've got a nice pitching staff and reinforcements are on their way in the form of a three-headed monster (Hultzen, Paxton and Walker) which'll turn the rotation into Felix and a cast of characters (Iwakuma's been great but I don't expect the M's to keep him around long-term) to the best 1-2-3-4 punch in the bigs. Not to mention the fact that the M's could trade one of those three pitching monsters for an effective hitter if they wanted to.
With that I've suddenly turned my post into my M's analysis report lol. Of course this is all just an "outsider's opinion" and I could be completely wrong but this is what I've taken from the various info I've received about the M's. I also want to get as many opinions from people like you who've obviously seen more of the M's than I have so my assessments (for lack of a better word) aren't too far from the truth.
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I have to say you do impress me with what you know about the M's though, I can talk Seattle all day but couldn't tell you much about any team besides them lol
I'll take that as a compliment.
While I'll never root for any team other than the Yankees (except maybe their minor league affiliates and Team Japan in the WBC), I try and keep tabs on what's happening across the majors. More than anything because I'm such a baseball nerd with too much free time and look at sites like baseball reference, mlbtraderumors and the like on a near daily basis. The fact that most of my friends are fans of various teams (M's, Twins, Giants etc...) and randomly send me news (or in most cases rants and complaints about their teams) doesn't hurt either.
And Seattle's one of the easier teams for me to keep track of since several names involved are ex-Yanks (Montero, Noesi, Almonte, Mitchell etc...). Through the draft and through trades they've gathered a handful of pieces that could be part of their future and it's pretty easy to see what's in store for them.
Like with Ackley and Franklin. I think it's pretty clear that if/when these two made it to the big leagues the M's were going to have to move one of them to a different position. Arguements could be made for the better hitter to stay or for the better defender to stay. I think we'll all have to wait and see how that unfolds as I don't expect an answer to appear before 2015.
You've also got Montero and Zunino. From what I've heard Zunino appears to be the better defender compared to Montero who's future behind the plate has been in question since his time in New York. And almost all of the "experts" think he's better suited for 1st base or the DH role and maybe form a platoon with Smoak. Now might be the best time for to convert Montero into a 1st baseman/DH, but I guess we'll have to wait see what happens with this as well.
Throw in the other names like Smoak, Almonte, Peterson, Wilson and Seager and they've managed to establish a pretty nice base to work off of in the upcoming years.
As always they've got a nice pitching staff and reinforcements are on their way in the form of a three-headed monster (Hultzen, Paxton and Walker) which'll turn the rotation into Felix and a cast of characters (Iwakuma's been great but I don't expect the M's to keep him around long-term) to the best 1-2-3-4 punch in the bigs. Not to mention the fact that the M's could trade one of those three pitching monsters for an effective hitter if they wanted to.
With that I've suddenly turned my post into my M's analysis report lol. Of course this is all just an "outsider's opinion" and I could be completely wrong but this is what I've taken from the various info I've received about the M's. I also want to get as many opinions from people like you who've obviously seen more of the M's than I have so my assessments (for lack of a better word) aren't too far from the truth.
Oh, between Zunino and Montero it's no contest. Montero is absolute trash behind the plate, the fact that they ran with it as long as they did was a huge mistake, but at least they seemed to have finally thrown in the towel. The guy is so unathletic, I don't even know if first base is a reasonable expectation. He makes guys like Prince Fielder and Pablo Sandoval seem like Ricky Henderson. That said, if he can hit like everyone thought he was going to be able to I'm fine with him as a DH, cause it was the bat that we traded for anyways. But yeah, I'd be shocked if he amounted to more than an emergency catcher at best. I honestly don't know a whole lot about the other NY guys you mentioned, outside of Noesi who looks like shit. They're not among our elite prospects but who knows what will happen. Good point with the Big 3 as well, I think a scenario in which we flipped one or even two of them for some legit offense is certainly possible (as Jack Z tried to with Walker for Upton). Hard to say what'll happen with Iwakuma, he said he liked it here last year and wanted to sign an extension and he's under contract for at least next year, plus an option for the next. If we could get some surefire hitters for him I'd be down, but obviously our pitchers for prospects trades have flopped pretty hard lately.
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Just heard that Zunino might get a call-up soon. Kind of a weird decision since he wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire in Triple A.
I suppose that if it's true it's a desperation move by Z. "Oh shit, I'm going to lose my job soon. Might as well ruin another prospect while I'm still here."
And fuck. Youk's out again with back problems. As weird as it's been seeing him in a Yankees jersey, he hasn't really played for us at all. On a positive note, more playing time for Adams :).
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Wang is pitching tonight for the Blue Jizz
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Just heard that Zunino might get a call-up soon. Kind of a weird decision since he wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire in Triple A.
I suppose that if it's true it's a desperation move by Z. "Oh shit, I'm going to lose my job soon. Might as well ruin another prospect while I'm still here."
Nah, it's because Sucre and Montero are both hurt and Shoppick is a backup that's been playing too much. It's more about need at the position than anything, and the guy comes from a baseball background and isn't going to shit himself if he struggles a bit. LOL @ "ruin another prospect". C'mon man.
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Nah, it's because Sucre and Montero are both hurt and Shoppick is a backup that's been playing too much. It's more about need at the position than anything, and the guy comes from a baseball background and isn't going to shit himself if he struggles a bit. LOL @ "ruin another prospect". C'mon man.
Oh didn't know about those injuries (guess I'm not as knowledgeable about the M's as I thought lol). And hey, I'm just calling it like it is ;). Or rather I'm just quoting something I saw from a frantic M's fan on Twitter that's losing their faith.
BTW how many times have you guys ever seen a live baseball game?
Like I just purchased a ticket on tm today and in a week or so I'll be going to my first ever mlb game at Yankee Stadium.
I know that's like a "WTF" statement but because I lived in Japan for the past few years my only means of watching games was by watching tv. And unfortunately/naturally the only games they ever broadcasted were either Mariners games or Red Sox games, and maybe a few Matsui games when he was with the Angels & Athletics. In retrospect I'm amazed at how I ever survived going 2+ years watching nothing but incredibly shitty teams and games. The only exception being the 2011 World Series.
Still I'm stoked. And already have my Cano jersey nice and ready.
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Nah, it's because Sucre and Montero are both hurt and Shoppick is a backup that's been playing too much. It's more about need at the position than anything, and the guy comes from a baseball background and isn't going to shit himself if he struggles a bit. LOL @ "ruin another prospect". C'mon man.
Oh didn't know about those injuries (guess I'm not as knowledgeable about the M's as I thought lol). And hey, I'm just calling it like it is ;). Or rather I'm just quoting something I saw from a frantic M's fan on Twitter that's losing their faith.
BTW how many times have you guys ever seen a live baseball game?
Like I just purchased a ticket on tm today and in a week or so I'll be going to my first ever mlb game at Yankee Stadium.
I know that's like a "WTF" statement but because I lived in Japan for the past few years my only means of watching games was by watching tv. And unfortunately/naturally the only games they ever broadcasted were either Mariners games or Red Sox games, and maybe a few Matsui games when he was with the Angels & Athletics. In retrospect I'm amazed at how I ever survived going 2+ years watching nothing but incredibly shitty teams and games. The only exception being the 2011 World Series.
Still I'm stoked. And already have my Cano jersey nice and ready.
Yes, JMS (Jaded Mariner Fan Syndrome) runs rampant.
I've honestly been to more games than I can really count. I grew up going to games with my dad, and even now in my 20's my friends and I normally go in on five game packages. Nothing like a day at the ballpark.
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so what do Mariner fans think of Jesus Montero being on that HGH list? he might be fools gold if his power was all because of the juice. his hype was probably more than phil hughes (who was supposed to be the next roger clemens type lmao)
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so what do Mariner fans think of Jesus Montero being on that HGH list? he might be fools gold if his power was all because of the juice. his hype was probably more than phil hughes (who was supposed to be the next roger clemens type lmao)
Hard to say man. He had a decent rookie year last year but has looked like complete shit this year (the HGH list actually came out pre-season). I hope it's false and or it's not as big a deal as people think but that could explain why he was such a highly regarded prospect in the NY organization. Dude has no trace of athleticism though so if he's not a legit power bat he's useless.
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Well one of the big reasons he was so touted here was because he stood out offensively in a Yankees system that's loaded with catching talent. The fact that Posada was on his way out and everybody was hoping that Montero would be his successor also fueled the buzz.
That said, I can only wonder how things would've gone of we didn't trade him. Would we be cheering or booing him? Would he be up in the bigs because of Cervelli's injury and Stewart's minor but nagging injuries? Would we have traded Romine or Sanchez away instead?
I suppose those questions will never be answered but now that I think about it I'm glad we got rid of him. More than anything because I've been a Cervelli supporter for a while and because he sucks defensively compared to Romine and because I want a clear path for Sanchez as he makes his way to the show.
And even after those three we've still got O'Brien 8).
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i bet he'd be busted like A-rod
meanwhile Pineda should be back very soon :D
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i bet he'd be busted like A-rod
meanwhile Pineda should be back very soon :D
Yup, I hope for my own sake that he's never the same guy but he looked like a future ace in his one season here.
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Well one of the big reasons he was so touted here was because he stood out offensively in a Yankees system that's loaded with catching talent. The fact that Posada was on his way out and everybody was hoping that Montero would be his successor also fueled the buzz.
That said, I can only wonder how things would've gone of we didn't trade him. Would we be cheering or booing him? Would he be up in the bigs because of Cervelli's injury and Stewart's minor but nagging injuries? Would we have traded Romine or Sanchez away instead?
I suppose those questions will never be answered but now that I think about it I'm glad we got rid of him. More than anything because I've been a Cervelli supporter for a while and because he sucks defensively compared to Romine and because I want a clear path for Sanchez as he makes his way to the show.
And even after those three we've still got O'Brien 8).
I still don't see how you can use the coaching argument there though. If he learned all that shit in NY it's not like he just un-learned it in a matter of months when he came here. Also to that point, the word on Montero here is that he's less willing to make adjustments cause the approach he's grown accustomed to through the years has worked so well for him. You can use that argument for Ackley but it doesn't really work for guys like Montero or Smoak that had all of their seasoning in different farm systems.
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I'm just saying that something weird is going on Seattle and it might (emphasis on might) be because of their coaching staff.
I mean I know that Montero and Smoak were brought up in other organizations but I'm sure that they're being looked at by the training staff there in Seattle and not just being left alone to work on their swings and approaches by themselves. Not saying that any adjustments they tried to implement (if they did any) are what ruined them, exactly, but I'm just specuilating that maybe that's a factor in all of this madness.
Anyway did any of you guys see the catch Bourjos made yesterday? Do you guys think the Angels'll trade Bourjos for pitching this season?
I keep hearing all sorts of rumors about Angels targeting guys like Lee, Niese, Garza, Feldman, Norris etc...
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I'm just saying that something weird is going on Seattle and it might (emphasis on might) be because of their coaching staff.
I mean I know that Montero and Smoak were brought up in other organizations but I'm sure that they're being looked at by the training staff there in Seattle and not just being left alone to work on their swings and approaches by themselves. Not saying that any adjustments they tried to implement (if they did any) are what ruined them, exactly, but I'm just specuilating that maybe that's a factor in all of this madness.
Yeah, it's definitely strange. Ackley's tearing the cover off the ball in AAA so you hope a guy that's been successful at every level/ was as highly regarded as he was just needed a little confidence boost. Don't really know what I project from Smoak or Montero at this point for different reasons. Smoak had been hitting well for a few weeks when got injured, but based on AB's it's hard to know what to expect from him as a whole. With Montero, he's young enough that he still has a lot of upside, but you wonder how much the whole biogenesis thing played into his success. Seager and Franklin have looked good, but I agree that a big name is going to have to pop to erase that stigma. The more I hear about Zunino the more it sounds like it was out of necesscity based on the position and not due to them thinking he was ready, cause the guy is still pretty raw. Unless he's absolutely raking I'd expect him to be sent back down in a few weeks once Sucre is healthy.
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At the same time for all we know Ackley might become the next Matt LaPorta...
As for the biogenesis thing, it's pretty much the same question with all PED users. How much of an effect do those drugs have on the players?
There seems to be this common perception amongst people that PEDs are this magical elixer type of drug that turns nobodies into Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens. Which is far from the truth.
I mean normal people like us use PEDs practically a lot. Like how sometime you see athletes (Pettitte comes to mind) claim to have taken HGH when they were recovering from injuries.
Now in a sense you could say that that might've prolonged the careers of some of the players, but at the end of the day we don't know exactly how much those drugs "helped" a player's performance. Look at the list of the guys in the biogenesis report. Outside of the big names like A-Rod and Braun everybody else is either mediocre or shit (sorry Cervelli, but you've been terrible for the most part).
And I've been thinking about the whole biogen issue and, this could be just me but, I'm puzzled at what the MLB hopes to gain by punishing those PED users. From a moral standpoint it's clear "Don't cheat. If you do you'll get punished." But at the same time you could argue that without the steroid era, the post-strike era in baseball would've been a very bleak and dark one. And during that era I think it's pretty clear that a lot of people (owners, front office folks, the player's association, the MLB execs etc...) turned a cold shoulder to the players taking drugs.
So why are they so bent on getting rid of the very thing that they helped create that ultimately saved them?
Although I guess the most notable answer I've found for that question is that "the reporters were so butt-hurt at the way Barry Bonds treated them that they set out to turn him into the biggest disgrace in baseball. The fact that he's black only fueled their hatred of him."
I guess I'll never why MLB's making such a big deal out of this and why so many baseball fans actually care about that mess (I mean, do people ever give a fuck about PEDs in other sports?). But then again baseball fans also care about the HoF SMH.
Alright enough of my PED-issue rant. Now it's time to prepare and witness the Yankees take on the magical A's. And interestingly enough, they take on the Dodgers next week in Yankee Stadium. Which can only mean one thing, the return of Donnie Baseball 8).
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At the same time for all we know Ackley might become the next Matt LaPorta...
As for the biogenesis thing, it's pretty much the same question with all PED users. How much of an effect do those drugs have on the players?
There seems to be this common perception amongst people that PEDs are this magical elixer type of drug that turns nobodies into Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens. Which is far from the truth.
I mean normal people like us use PEDs practically a lot. Like how sometime you see athletes (Pettitte comes to mind) claim to have taken HGH when they were recovering from injuries.
Now in a sense you could say that that might've prolonged the careers of some of the players, but at the end of the day we don't know exactly how much those drugs "helped" a player's performance. Look at the list of the guys in the biogenesis report. Outside of the big names like A-Rod and Braun everybody else is either mediocre or shit (sorry Cervelli, but you've been terrible for the most part).
And I've been thinking about the whole biogen issue and, this could be just me but, I'm puzzled at what the MLB hopes to gain by punishing those PED users. From a moral standpoint it's clear "Don't cheat. If you do you'll get punished." But at the same time you could argue that without the steroid era, the post-strike era in baseball would've been a very bleak and dark one. And during that era I think it's pretty clear that a lot of people (owners, front office folks, the player's association, the MLB execs etc...) turned a cold shoulder to the players taking drugs.
So why are they so bent on getting rid of the very thing that they helped create that ultimately saved them?
Although I guess the most notable answer I've found for that question is that "the reporters were so butt-hurt at the way Barry Bonds treated them that they set out to turn him into the biggest disgrace in baseball. The fact that he's black only fueled their hatred of him."
I guess I'll never why MLB's making such a big deal out of this and why so many baseball fans actually care about that mess (I mean, do people ever give a fuck about PEDs in other sports?). But then again baseball fans also care about the HoF SMH.
Yeah, you just never really know how much of a difference they're going to make. I mean, look at all the guys in the 90's that tore it up offensively compared to what you see now. I don't think there's any denying that they can make a major difference for people, it's just a matter of the extent. Conventional wisdom would say that it wouldn't turn a bad player into a good one but with a lot of people I feel like they can become a crutch, to where if they're all of a sudden forced to play without them and lose confidence (could be a possibility with Montero). As for your argument about the MLB crackdown on them, I agree with you for the most part, I find big offense much more interesting than a pitchers duel (even before the M's offense was atrocious lol). The only point I was really trying to make was what could be going on with Montero.
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I just heard that the M's DFA'd Shoppach and signed someone else.
Needless to say I'm scratching my head. Although the "narrative" seems to be, welcome to the Zunino Era.
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I just heard that the M's DFA'd Shoppach and signed someone else.
Needless to say I'm scratching my head. Although the "narrative" seems to be, welcome to the Zunino Era.
Jesus, I missed that one until coming home this morning. Who the fuck is Henry Blanco?? Zunino has looked good so far but I hpe they're not trying to proclaim success after two games. Seriously though, Shoppach was poor to bad at best, but Henry Blanco?? Look at the damn stats. Holy hell. Who the fuck is this guy?
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I have no idea. Although one comment I saw on Twitter said that he might have been brought on to be Zunino's "mentor."
Keep an eye on this Remedy and give me an update on these two in a week.
And I hope I'm wrong but the Yankees look like they've finally let injuries slow them down. I think the last time we actually won a game was back in Seattle. If you get beat by the Angels you know you're doing something wrong.
I suppose it'll all end at the trade deadline though since the Yankees will most likely get Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay, Mike Stanton and Bryce Harper.
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I have no idea. Although one comment I saw on Twitter said that he might have been brought on to be Zunino's "mentor."
Keep an eye on this Remedy and give me an update on these two in a week.
And I hope I'm wrong but the Yankees look like they've finally let injuries slow them down. I think the last time we actually won a game was back in Seattle. If you get beat by the Angels you know you're doing something wrong.
I suppose it'll all end at the trade deadline though since the Yankees will most likely get Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay, Mike Stanton and Bryce Harper.
LOL, dude just hit a grand slam.
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Does that mean it'll take a week for M's fans to wish he wasn't on the team anymore or two weeks?
BTW, I heard something pretty interesting today.
Apparently some people are doubtful if Iwakuma's going to be called to the ASG. And it's not because he hasn't earned it (he has) but rather because the M's are such a shitty team that people are doubting whether or not the M's are worthy of having two players represent them in ASG (I think it's pretty obvious that Felix already got his plane ticket).
I'm hoping he'll be able to go though. Actually I'm more confident that he will go as a replacement as I guarantee that someone will back out due to injury or whatever.
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Does that mean it'll take a week for M's fans to wish he wasn't on the team anymore or two weeks?
BTW, I heard something pretty interesting today.
Apparently some people are doubtful if Iwakuma's going to be called to the ASG. And it's not because he hasn't earned it (he has) but rather because the M's are such a shitty team that people are doubting whether or not the M's are worthy of having two players represent them in ASG (I think it's pretty obvious that Felix already got his plane ticket).
I'm hoping he'll be able to go though. Actually I'm more confident that he will go as a replacement as I guarantee that someone will back out due to injury or whatever.
Where are you hearing that? That would be complete BS, especially since the All Star game has WS implications now. Not only does dude deserve it, there's even a case to make for him to be the starter. What a travesty that would be.
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Another JMS patient on my Twitter feed who was "paraphrasing" Ken Rosenthal.
Although in his defense almost every post regarding the ASG is a bunch of bs.
Like this gem.
"Derek Jeter doesn't need to play to get invited to the ASG, it's called respect"
Personally I consider these all star games (in any sport) to be a huge waste of time and a big joke. The fact that fans are allowed to pick the starting line-ups says it all.
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Another JMS patient on my Twitter feed who was "paraphrasing" Ken Rosenthal.
Although in his defense almost every post regarding the ASG is a bunch of bs.
Like this gem.
"Derek Jeter doesn't need to play to get invited to the ASG, it's called respect"
Personally I consider these all star games (in any sport) to be a huge waste of time and a big joke. The fact that fans are allowed to pick the starting line-ups says it all.
That's so dumb. Who fucking cares how good the team is, it's supposed to be the best players, and the MLB was the sport that was stupid enough to MAKE THEIR GAME MATTER. You really know how to get my blood boiling with your posts lol
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You really know how to get my blood boiling with your posts lol
#success
As a Yankees fan it's somewhat my moral duty to piss other folks off. With such methods as:
*Saying that I'm a Yankees fan
*27 Rings 8)
*Saying how the Yankees are going to take away another team's prized player (cough, Felix, cough)
But I didn't mean to piss you off (exactly).
If you're pissed off at the statement I quoted earlier about how Iwakuma might suffer because of his team I agree with you that that was dumb. But keep in mind that I'm not the one the said it. Don't shoot the messenger man.
If you're pissed off at how I said the ASG is a joke, I'm sorry but that's probably one of the things we'll have to agree to disagree about.
I know how the outcome of the asg effects who gets home field advantage in the ws but I still consider a big joke. The fans being able to vote for the players is a huge joke. Face it, does anybody really pick those who are deserving? No, a lot of the fans are either homers who voted for guys on their favorite team (I fall into this category) or morons who think they know everything just because they watch Sportscenter that pick the household names. The fact that Derek Jeter is amongst the top vote getters shows how stupid this is. That said I'm not saying that those household names don't have a right to go but there's always that one guy (or maybe more) that get snubbed even though they earned the right to go. Like last year Encarnacion was a pretty big snub and this year I'm guessing that Howie Kendrick will suffer the same fate.
At the same time why does every team need to have a representative other than for marketing purposes? You're going to let Altuve join but make someone more deserving stay home because he's on a different team that only has 1 legit player? That's bull.
Anyway as you can see I consider a lot of things in baseball a joke. The HoF, the PED issue, the ASG and don't get me started on the fans and ballparks. But fuck it, I still love this sport.
And yes, I will be watching the ASG on tv out of spite and boredom.
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You really know how to get my blood boiling with your posts lol
#success
As a Yankees fan it's somewhat my moral duty to piss other folks off. With such methods as:
*Saying that I'm a Yankees fan
*27 Rings 8)
*Saying how the Yankees are going to take away another team's prized player (cough, Felix, cough)
But I didn't mean to piss you off (exactly).
If you're pissed off at the statement I quoted earlier about how Iwakuma might suffer because of his team I agree with you that that was dumb. But keep in mind that I'm not the one the said it. Don't shoot the messenger man.
If you're pissed off at how I said the ASG is a joke, I'm sorry but that's probably one of the things we'll have to agree to disagree about.
I know how the outcome of the asg effects who gets home field advantage in the ws but I still consider a big joke. The fans being able to vote for the players is a huge joke. Face it, does anybody really pick those who are deserving? No, a lot of the fans are either homers who voted for guys on their favorite team (I fall into this category) or morons who think they know everything just because they watch Sportscenter that pick the household names. The fact that Derek Jeter is amongst the top vote getters shows how stupid this is. That said I'm not saying that those household names don't have a right to go but there's always that one guy (or maybe more) that get snubbed even though they earned the right to go. Like last year Encarnacion was a pretty big snub and this year I'm guessing that Howie Kendrick will suffer the same fate.
At the same time why does every team need to have a representative other than for marketing purposes? You're going to let Altuve join but make someone more deserving stay home because he's on a different team that only has 1 legit player? That's bull.
Anyway as you can see I consider a lot of things in baseball a joke. The HoF, the PED issue, the ASG and don't get me started on the fans and ballparks. But fuck it, I still love this sport.
And yes, I will be watching the ASG on tv out of spite and boredom.
Nah just hearing that statement pissed me off, I knew it wasn't your opinion though. The ASG is a joke, the fact that they give it such major implications is an even bigger one.
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Aight so we one the same page then, I think...
Moving on, what's your take on Ibanez and Morales? I've heard a few rumblings about how some fans consider them pieces for the long term (even though they've got like 2 more players exactly like them in Bay and Morse). And about how others are thinking maybe they're trade-bait or at least place holders until the cavalry arrive (whoever they are). Do you see them being with Seattle beyond this season? Morales in particular?
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Aight so we one the same page then, I think...
Moving on, what's your take on Ibanez and Morales? I've heard a few rumblings about how some fans consider them pieces for the long term (even though they've got like 2 more players exactly like them in Bay and Morse). And about how others are thinking maybe they're trade-bait or at least place holders until the cavalry arrive (whoever they are). Do you see them being with Seattle beyond this season? Morales in particular?
I'd disagree on those first points. First off, I like Morse but Morales is a much more complete hitter when healthy. Uses the whole field, draws a lot of walks, switch hitter, etc. Morse is good when hot but he goes through major cold spells as well and strikes out as much as anybody. As for Jason Bay, he looked good for a bit but has been awful lately. Ibanez on the other hand has 13 home runs. Neither one of them were supposed to (or should be) playing as much as they have but Ibanez has made the most of it and Bay has been pretty bad lately. With that said, there's no way anyone could expect Ibanez to be a long term guy, dude's 41 lol. As for Morales, we should at least try to re-sign him, he's the type of hitter they've been looking for and pretty much everythign Smoak was supposed to be. Our pussy ass Nintendo ownership group should at least try to make it happen but I have zero faith in them and he's a Boras client so who the fuck knows. The idea of them being trade-bait is certainly a possibility, you would just have to weigh what we're getting vs what we're giving up, we do not have a very good track -record in deadline deals as you know.
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Okay, so Morales is a maybe and Ibanez is...
On a completely unrelated note, the Astros have more wins than the Mets and Marlins right now. LMAO!
The battle for next year's first overall pick is heating up 8).
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I don't wanna start multiple threads on mlb but Yasiel Puig did a video to convince people to vote 4 him 2 be in this years ASG. Anyone think he should be there? He is 1 of the hottest new players out there, mlb is too much in the stone age anyways. Never mind certain old fogies who've been in there enuff times as is. Show some of the new talent. Hopefully Puig tears it up at the new yankee stadium.
About motherbleeping time the dodgers played at yankee stadium for the 1st time since 1981. Shoulda happened as early as 2002 but no mlb sold out & ruined interleague play with the constant same city thing every single year >:( Nfl don't do same state/city teams every year in regular season, & they shouldn't unless its preseason. Shoulda happened when Joe Torre managed the Dodgers, I wondered how yankee fans would react when he came back in dodger gear :-\
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TBH I don't think Puig deserves to go the ASG but he has been something of a fresh air for the struggling Dodgers. Much like Harper, Trout and Darvish last year the hype might carry him there.
At the same time I'm trying to think of who else the Dodgers would send to the ASG. Kershaw is a lock but last I checked most of their positions players either suck or are hurt. So Puig might go by default.
If he does go it's be awesome if we could see another brawl and Puig goes bat-shit crazy. #ManBearPuig.
And speaking of the Dodgers, welcome home Donnie Baseball :).
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Just came home from Yankees Stadium. Saw the awesome combo that was CC-Robertson-Mo and Zoilo Almonte continue to come up big. Not to mention seeing Wells come back from the dead.
I also got a huge sunburn on my face and arms and a pair of free sunglasses. And boy do I wish that my camera hadn't died during the 8th since I really wanted to take a pic of Mo.
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Just came home from Yankees Stadium. Saw the awesome combo that was CC-Robertson-Mo and Zoilo Almonte continue to come up big. Not to mention seeing Wells come back from the dead.
I also got a huge sunburn on my face and arms and a pair of free sunglasses. And boy do I wish that my camera hadn't died during the 8th since I really wanted to take a pic of Mo.
that grand slam was some BS...if gardner let it go it would have only been a triple lol
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that grand slam was some BS...if gardner let it go it would have only been a triple lol
True but if anyone can take away hits it's Gardner (remember what he did in the Subway Series?), can't knock him for trying. Plus in the end a win's a win and I'll take it whenever I can.
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With the latest A-Rod related controversy I've now finally realized that Alex Rodriguez haters are pathetic.
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With the latest A-Rod related controversy I've now finally realized that Alex Rodriguez haters are pathetic.
Are you alluding to Brian Cashman?
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To an extent yes. I was referring more to the media that seems to be after A-Rod and goes out of it's way to soil his name even further.
Like shortly after that Twitter thing happened the media and it's anti A-Rod stance was in full effect and the "fans" all ate it up.
And to be fair IMO the only people who are allowed to shit on A-Rod are Mariners fans. I don't include the Rangers because he didn't leave, he was traded and the Rangers got a pretty decent bat in Soriano.
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To an extent yes. I was referring more to the media that seems to be after A-Rod and goes out of it's way to soil his name even further.
Like shortly after that Twitter thing happened the media and it's anti A-Rod stance was in full effect and the "fans" all ate it up.
And to be fair IMO the only people who are allowed to shit on A-Rod are Mariners fans. I don't include the Rangers because he didn't leave, he was traded and the Rangers got a pretty decent bat in Soriano.
The funny thing is, the whole perception of A-Rod being a douche didn't exist AT ALL in Seattle (before he left obviously). For instance, Griffey was known to be really difficult with the media at times and rubbed some teammates the wrong way, but you never heard anything like that about A-Rod. One of the talk radio guys here says he was one of the more friendly athletes he ever dealt with covering the team, and I remember when he first came back here with Texas guys like Mike Cameron and Mark McLemore were defending him left and right hoping the fans wouldn't boo him. It's not like he wasn't great here either, got screwed out of the MVP his first full season and was a superstar every year after that. It would be interesting to go back and see when exactly shit changed, I don't really know if it's more him or the media, likely a combination of both.
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I'd say 75% of it is the, New York, media and 25% is him personally.
I think the whole anti-A Rod thing started happening when he came to New York. I know a lot of Yankees fans and writers never really gave him a chance because they were worried that he was going to take the SS position from Jesus Christ.
When he "admitted" to using steroids is probably where the whole thing really took off since people seem to immediately consider drug users in the mlb to be vile terrible people for some reason. The moment he got that bloated contract was probably the straw that broke the Carmel's back.
And to a point I really feel sorry for A-Rod. Dude's obviously socially awkward, yet he's put in some of the most mentally demanding places imaginable. Casual baseball fans seem to really hate the guy even though he is/was one of the greatest baseball players of all time and Yankees fans are pretty much on the fence. 50% of them hate him and want him traded to Japan, the other 50% hopes he can regain his past self and eventually become the all time home run leader.
And speaking of A-Rod, apparently he thinks the Yankees are holding him back from getting back to the field. And I think that might be happening since if A-Rod doesn't play the Yankees have a chance to say they don't want to pay him because he didn't play a single game for them, I dunno if it'd work but I'm sure the Yankees are looking to explore it.
Which is kinda dumb IMO since the third basemen the Yankees are using now have been really bad. Youk's been pathetic and I like Adams but he's not getting the job done. As old and past his prime as he is, I'm sure A-Rod's still a bigger threat than most of the other right handed batters the Yankees are trotting out there.
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I'd say 75% of it is the, New York, media and 25% is him personally.
I think the whole anti-A Rod thing started happening when he came to New York. I know a lot of Yankees fans and writers never really gave him a chance because they were worried that he was going to take the SS position from Jesus Christ.
When he "admitted" to using steroids is probably where the whole thing really took off since people seem to immediately consider drug users in the mlb to be vile terrible people for some reason. The moment he got that bloated contract was probably the straw that broke the Carmel's back.
And to a point I really feel sorry for A-Rod. Dude's obviously socially awkward, yet he's put in some of the most mentally demanding places imaginable. Casual baseball fans seem to really hate the guy even though he is/was one of the greatest baseball players of all time and Yankees fans are pretty much on the fence. 50% of them hate him and want him traded to Japan, the other 50% hopes he can regain his past self and eventually become the all time home run leader.
And speaking of A-Rod, apparently he thinks the Yankees are holding him back from getting back to the field. And I think that might be happening since if A-Rod doesn't play the Yankees have a chance to say they don't want to pay him because he didn't play a single game for them, I dunno if it'd work but I'm sure the Yankees are looking to explore it.
Which is kinda dumb IMO since the third basemen the Yankees are using now have been really bad. Youk's been pathetic and I like Adams but he's not getting the job done. As old and past his prime as he is, I'm sure A-Rod's still a bigger threat than most of the other right handed batters the Yankees are trotting out there.
Funny that you mention Jeter as "Jesus Christ," lol I used to hate the guy so much because he'd always get more attention than A-Rod even though dude was clearly leagues ahead of Jeter when he was out here. Now that you mention it, that book Joe Torre wrote definitely didn't help. The whole phony steroid apology wasn't a good look either but it seems like people hated him before that.
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Torre also called A-Rod, "A-Fraud" if I'm not mistaken. Makes me really appreciate Girardi and how he keeps a lot of things to himself. Much to the chagrin of the NY media.
As for Jeter, apparently I have to consider him as Jesus Christ because I'm a Yankees fan. While I love the guy (no homo), he's far from my favorite player though. My all time favorite player is and forever will be Jorge Posada.
BTW, who would you pick? A-Rod, Jeter or Garciaparra (throwback!). And yes, in their prime.
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Torre also called A-Rod, "A-Fraud" if I'm not mistaken. Makes me really appreciate Girardi and how he keeps a lot of things to himself. Much to the chagrin of the NY media.
As for Jeter, apparently I have to consider him as Jesus Christ because I'm a Yankees fan. While I love the guy (no homo), he's far from my favorite player though. My all time favorite player is and forever will be Jorge Posada.
BTW, who would you pick? A-Rod, Jeter or Garciaparra (throwback!). And yes, in their prime.
Yeah, the "A-Fraud" comment is what I remember most. But, A-Rod deifnitely, Nomar second, and Jeter third. Jeter is certainly a model of consistency, he just never put up the absolute freak-show numbers those guys did in their prime.
Edit: After looking at the numbers he's closer to Nomar than I thought initially but I'd still take A-Rod in his prime in a heartbeat.
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Which departure was more heartbreaking to M's fans? The departure of Griffey, Johnson or A-Rod?
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Which departure was more heartbreaking to M's fans? The departure of Griffey, Johnson or A-Rod?
Griffey, by far. Seattle was always a Sonics/Seahawks town but the Mariners always sucked ass and never had much of a following, image, or anything. Griffey was really the first legit "face of our franchise" and dude was everywhere. The most famous Mariners image of all time is him smiling on the bottom of the pile after we beat the Yanks in the division series in what was known as the season that saved baseball in Seattle (funny thing is A-Rod is right next to him). Outside of Michael Jordan, he was arguably the most marketed athlete period during his hey-day. He was the type of guy that people who didn't give a fuck about baseball wanted to pay to watch, and as amazing as Johnson and A-Rod were they never hit that level, or even came close IMO. The backwards hat, sweet swing, home run trot, jaw-dropping catches, etc were things that set him apart, dude struck a chord with the city in a way that I'd argue that no other athlete has. Those two leaving sucked, no doubt, but I think people reacted more like "fuck them" as opposed to the devastation of Griffey leaving.
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Okay then how many people committed suicide in Seattle after Griffey left? Over or under 60?
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Play of the year.
http://youtube.com/v/KfFrHM8uP9g
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Andy Pettitte just passed Whitey Ford for 1st place on the Yankees all-time strikeout leaders with 1958.
Another Core 4 member with another record 8).
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Okay then how many people committed suicide in Seattle after Griffey left? Over or under 60?
Over. As an Angel fan, I celebrated. I still pray for those in Seattle after that.
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Okay then how many people committed suicide in Seattle after Griffey left? Over or under 60?
Over. As an Angel fan, I celebrated. I still pray for those in Seattle after that.
Lol.
A few moves today. 3 trades and 2 Yankees news.
The Cubs trade Scott Feldman and a catcher to Orioles for Pedro Strop, Jake Arrietta, some random minor leaguer and some money to spend on the international signing pool.
The Cubs also traded Carlos Marmol to the Dodgers for Matt Gurrier and money for the international signing pool.
The Cubs also moved a AA outfielder to the Astros for money they can use in next year's draft.
Now the significance of these moves is that the Cubs basically traded for more money they can spend on foreign free agents and in next year's draft. For those of you who don't know, last year a lot of complicated changes were put in place and make it a lot more difficult to draft talent both nationally and internationally. There's a certain limit to what teams can spend now, like in the first round of the draft they can only spend X million dollars or something like that. With these moves the Cubs basically traded for some of the other team's allowance.
Meanwhile A-Rod's rehab period has started. Looks like he'll be the first guy to come back.
Also Hiroki Kuroda apparently went back to New York to run some tests and to see if there's something wrong with his leg(s?). UGH!!!
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Okay then how many people committed suicide in Seattle after Griffey left? Over or under 60?
Over. As an Angel fan, I celebrated. I still pray for those in Seattle after that.
You patronizing son of a bitch.
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Manny Ramirez returns to the MLB by signing with Texas...
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Well I saw the All Star Announcement Show and I'm glad to see Iwakuma make it.
I'm also glad to see Gomez and Encarnacion make it too.
Although I'm extremely disheartened at how Derek Jeter was snubbed. Truly, utterly shocked. I lost all faith in humanity when I saw that.
And as expected the MLB took the easy route and made Puig the final fan vote so the naysayers can't complain about Bochy putting him in.
I just hope that David Robertson makes it though. There's not enough Yankees on the roster.
#HighSocksForVotes
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Well I saw the All Star Announcement Show and I'm glad to see Iwakuma make it.
I'm also glad to see Gomez and Encarnacion make it too.
Although I'm extremely disheartened at how Derek Jeter was snubbed. Truly, utterly shocked. I lost all faith in humanity when I saw that.
And as expected the MLB took the easy route and made Puig the final fan vote so the naysayers can't complain about Bochy putting him in.
I just hope that David Robertson makes it though. There's not enough Yankees on the roster.
#HighSocksForVotes
Would have been cool to see the ageless wonder Raul Ibanez make it but I'm not up in arms over it. Oliver Perez was definitely worthy as well but it's tough for relievers to make it so whatever. One of the few years in recent memory the M's have had more than one guy repping the AL so fuck it.
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A few Dodger notes.
Ricky Nolasco has been traded to the LA Dodgers for three minor leaguers and I believe some international draft poll money. Considering how those three weren't even LA's top prospects, I guess all that talk about the Marlins wanting more was just them reaching.
There's also this Puig campaign video.
http://youtube.com/v/BOEuV8-JzzA
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Here's a little something that's been on my mind for a while.
I'm sure all of us baseball fans have heard arguments against Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens (and A-Rods) HoF cases with the ever so popular "he cheated, why should we honor him?" line. Then it hit me, why can't we honor cheaters even though we honor those in the hall who never played against black/Latino/Hispanic/Asian players, those who were noted gamblers, those who were KKK members, those who were alcoholics and those who were greenies?
How can we say that we have to preserve the integrity of Major League Baseball when it already flew out the window over a century ago?
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Here's a little something that's been on my mind for a while.
I'm sure all of us baseball fans have heard arguments against Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens (and A-Rods) HoF cases with the ever so popular "he cheated, why should we honor him?" line. Then it hit me, why can't we honor cheaters even though we honor those in the hall who never played against black/Latino/Hispanic/Asian players, those who were noted gamblers, those who were KKK members, those who were alcoholics and those who were greenies?
How can we say that we have to preserve the integrity of Major League Baseball when it already flew out the window over a century ago?
That's a great point. To play devil's advocate I'd say that times were a lot different in the past, not only in terms of standards of the game (IE Ped's running rampant) but laws and society in general, excluding your gambling point. I don't disagree for the most part though. My one big thing against a lot of the steroid guys is how full of shit so many of them are for lying about it repeatedly. I have zero issues with a guy making a mistake and owning up to it, but when someone is just repeatedly dishonest it rubs me the wrong way. In that sense, I don't mind seeing some of them excluded, but at the same time I wouldn't be the least bit upset if they made it either.
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Here's a little something that's been on my mind for a while.
I'm sure all of us baseball fans have heard arguments against Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens (and A-Rods) HoF cases with the ever so popular "he cheated, why should we honor him?" line. Then it hit me, why can't we honor cheaters even though we honor those in the hall who never played against black/Latino/Hispanic/Asian players, those who were noted gamblers, those who were KKK members, those who were alcoholics and those who were greenies?
How can we say that we have to preserve the integrity of Major League Baseball when it already flew out the window over a century ago?
good point.
what asian and latino player you talkin bout though?
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Here's a little something that's been on my mind for a while.
I'm sure all of us baseball fans have heard arguments against Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens (and A-Rods) HoF cases with the ever so popular "he cheated, why should we honor him?" line. Then it hit me, why can't we honor cheaters even though we honor those in the hall who never played against black/Latino/Hispanic/Asian players, those who were noted gamblers, those who were KKK members, those who were alcoholics and those who were greenies?
How can we say that we have to preserve the integrity of Major League Baseball when it already flew out the window over a century ago?
good point.
what asian and latino player you talkin bout though?
Probably just the fact that they were all excluded from the game during its earlier days.
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That's a great point. To play devil's advocate I'd say that times were a lot different in the past, not only in terms of standards of the game (IE Ped's running rampant) but laws and society in general, excluding your gambling point. I don't disagree for the most part though. My one big thing against a lot of the steroid guys is how full of shit so many of them are for lying about it repeatedly. I have zero issues with a guy making a mistake and owning up to it, but when someone is just repeatedly dishonest it rubs me the wrong way. In that sense, I don't mind seeing some of them excluded, but at the same time I wouldn't be the least bit upset if they made it either.
Yeah I'm aware of how different society was back then. Separating races was pretty normal, some players needed to gamble in order to put food on the table etc... but at the same time if people want to say that they hate steroid users for cheating and not having morals, a lot of people we celebrate today as some of the best players of all time weren't exactly these perfect angels regardless if their behavior was the norm in society back then. And it just seems weird to me that some people act so hypocritical and are like "we're willing to accept them because that was the culture back then" but then say "but the steroid era is different" even though it was still a culture that was part of things they were back then (and probably still are).
That said, you bring up a very good point about how steroid users who don't openly admit that they took PEDs and keep on lying to people isn't exactly helping their cause and making shit worse. And I'm not condoning the use of PEDs, although I think making it a legal substance in baseball is inevitable, but I'm just pointing out that the anti-PED arguments are very flawed.
Although another problem is that pro-PED arguments have their fair share of flaws as well and this whole issue just ends up being a big old joke.
good point.
what asian and latino player you talkin bout though?
Nah man, I was just talking about how some Hall Of Famers never played against non-white people. At least not in the major leagues.
Like Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson and Babe Ruth never faced non-whites except for a few exhibition games against the negro league players and in various countries.
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That's a great point. To play devil's advocate I'd say that times were a lot different in the past, not only in terms of standards of the game (IE Ped's running rampant) but laws and society in general, excluding your gambling point. I don't disagree for the most part though. My one big thing against a lot of the steroid guys is how full of shit so many of them are for lying about it repeatedly. I have zero issues with a guy making a mistake and owning up to it, but when someone is just repeatedly dishonest it rubs me the wrong way. In that sense, I don't mind seeing some of them excluded, but at the same time I wouldn't be the least bit upset if they made it either.
Yeah I'm aware of how different society was back then. Separating races was pretty normal, some players needed to gamble in order to put food on the table etc... but at the same time if people want to say that they hate steroid users for cheating and not having morals, a lot of people we celebrate today as some of the best players of all time weren't exactly these perfect angels regardless if their behavior was the norm in society back then. And it just seems weird to me that some people act so hypocritical and are like "we're willing to accept them because that was the culture back then" but then say "but the steroid era is different" even though it was still a culture that was part of things they were back then (and probably still are).
That said, you bring up a very good point about how steroid users who don't openly admit that they took PEDs and keep on lying to people isn't exactly helping their cause and making shit worse. And I'm not condoning the use of PEDs, although I think making it a legal substance in baseball is inevitable, but I'm just pointing out that the anti-PED arguments are very flawed.
Although another problem is that pro-PED arguments have their fair share of flaws as well and this whole issue just ends up being a big old joke.
good point.
what asian and latino player you talkin bout though?
Nah man, I was just talking about how some Hall Of Famers never played against non-white people. At least not in the major leagues.
Like Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson and Babe Ruth never faced non-whites except for a few exhibition games against the negro league players and in various countries.
What I was trying to get at with the whole society/culture thing was that steroids were certainly a part of baseball culture, but the racism, exclusion, etc that existed was a part of society as a whole. That's not to say that it shouldn't be recognized in baseball's history, but comparing the culture of PED's to something as big as that seems like comparing apples and oranges to me.
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What I was trying to get at with the whole society/culture thing was that steroids were certainly a part of baseball culture, but the racism, exclusion, etc that existed was a part of society as a whole. That's not to say that it shouldn't be recognized in baseball's history, but comparing the culture of PED's to something as big as that seems like comparing apples and oranges to me.
I know what you meant, and that's why I included greenies and alcoholics which weren't as big a social "issue" (for lack of a better word) but they were there but yet don't catch as much flack as PEDs.
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Hey remedy I've got another M's question for you.
Do you see Jack Z and Eric Wedge still being with the team next year? Do you think the owners will give them more time to show that their rebuilding process is actually working or will they cut them sooner?
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I was right, this thread did die a little.
Okay, it's finally September. The playoff races are on, here's what the races look like (to me at least).
AL:
*The Boston Red Sox are in first place in the AL East
*The Detroit Tigers are in first place in the AL Central
*The Oakland Athletics and Texas Rangers are fighting for first place in the AL West
*The Baltimore Orioles, Tampa Bay Rays, New York Yankees and Cleveland Indians are still in the WC conversation
*Stick a fork in the Royals and everybody else not named yet, they're all done
NL:
*The Atlanta Braves are in first place in the NL East
*The NL Central is crazy as fuck as the Pirates, Cardinals and Reds are fighting for first place on a daily basis
*The Los Angeles Dodgers wins the NL West because everyone else in that division is terrible
*It's looking like the NL Wild Cards will go to two of the three NL Central teams that didn't win the division
*Regardless of what you may read or hear the Washington Nationals are done
*The Arizona Diamondbacks suck
*The Pirates will win the World Series!
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Yeah the braves are 1st place in the nl or whole mlbt but still has near half empty stadiums. Sickening that atlanta & miami needs 2 be in every sport but don't sellout & support their teams. Even when they're good.
And this I never saw coming in mlb.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/09/the-jays-and-mets-to-play-two-exhibition-games-in-montreal-next-spring/
Wonder if this is a test to see if people in montreal still like mlb. I feel that they shouldn't cause the strike in 94 killed baseball there, then Loria & maybe someone else finished them off in 95. Players wanted 2 bypass extra dollars to win, but management had other ideas. Cause they blew out the braves in the division in 94. Fire sale.
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Personally I don't think baseball returning to Montreal wouldn't be a bad idea. Maybe not major league baseball but Minor League Baseball. I'm sure the Jays affiliate based on Vegas (which is where pitchers go to die basically) wouldn't mind leaving. Gives Canada another team to root for as well.
But man did Loria really screw them up by pimping the system to get more money.
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Personally I don't think baseball returning to Montreal would be a bad idea. Maybe not major league baseball but Minor League Baseball. I'm sure the Jays affiliate based on Vegas (which is where pitchers go to die basically) wouldn't mind leaving. Gives Canada another team to root for as well.
But man did Loria really screw them up by pimping the system to get more money.
Oh I have little doubt that Minor League baseball would do fine, if you look around the US you can find minor league teams in second-rate cities all over the place in terms of size. If possible, I'd like to see an MLB team back there, it's not like they were never successful in terms of fan-support. Hard to say how it would be received presently though.
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Personally I don't think baseball returning to Montreal would be a bad idea. Maybe not major league baseball but Minor League Baseball. I'm sure the Jays affiliate based on Vegas (which is where pitchers go to die basically) wouldn't mind leaving. Gives Canada another team to root for as well.
But man did Loria really screw them up by pimping the system to get more money.
Oh I have little doubt that Minor League baseball would do fine, if you look around the US you can find minor league teams in second-rate cities all over the place in terms of size. If possible, I'd like to see an MLB team back there, it's not like they were never successful in terms of fan-support. Hard to say how it would be received presently though.
Fuck, I just realised that I made a typo. I meant to say "wouldn't be a bad idea" but forgot to add the n't after would.
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Random MLB fact of the day:
Hank Aaron (yes, THE Hank Aaron) used greenies in his MLB career. Despite the fact that that's supposed to make him a dirty-ass cheater, his history of using performance enhancers has been conveniently swept under the rug, kind of like the greenies era in general, and he has since been regarded as a "beloved figure in major league baseball history."
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Random MLB fact of the day:
Hank Aaron (yes, THE Hank Aaron) used greenies in his MLB career. Despite the fact that that's supposed to make him a dirty-ass cheater, his history of using performance enhancers has been conveniently swept under the rug, kind of like the greenies era in general, and he has since been regarded as a "beloved figure in major league baseball history."
I'm pretty sure Willie Mays used amphetamines too. Definitely a double standard, but while shit like that can be beneficial it's not to nearly the same extent as steroids.
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I'm pretty sure Willie Mays used amphetamines too. Definitely a double standard, but while shit like that can be beneficial it's not to nearly the same extent as steroids.
Yeah I know. I was just thinking that since the whole anti-PEDs/steroid thing seems to be based on the "cheating is bad" logic, Aaron (and Mays and others) should technically also fall under the category of cheaters regardless of whether or not the stuff he/they took was as useful to them as PEDs or steroids. Yet they're not and are actually looked at as legends. Which they are, I won't deny that since I'm not the kind of person who throws a player's accomplishments outside the window just because he "cheated." But it does kind of piss me off a little when I hear people be like "Bonds, Clemens and A-Rod shouldn't belong in the HoF because everybody in there is clean and they'll ruin it!" and when I try to tell them that it's already a sham they get all defensive and say yell that it's not true regardless of whatever proof I offer.
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I'm pretty sure Willie Mays used amphetamines too. Definitely a double standard, but while shit like that can be beneficial it's not to nearly the same extent as steroids.
Yeah I know. I was just thinking that since the whole anti-PEDs/steroid thing seems to be based on the "cheating is bad" logic, Aaron (and Mays and others) should technically also fall under the category of cheaters regardless of whether or not the stuff he/they took was as useful to them as PEDs or steroids. Yet they're not and are actually looked at as legends. Which they are, I won't deny that since I'm not the kind of person who throws a player's accomplishments outside the window just because he "cheated." But it does kind of piss me off a little when I hear people be like "Bonds, Clemens and A-Rod shouldn't belong in the HoF because everybody in there is clean and they'll ruin it!" and when I try to tell them that it's already a sham they get all defensive and say yell that it's not true regardless of whatever proof I offer.
I hear you. Personally I see it as the extent to which it benefited performance but I can't speak for everyone else. Personally I wouldn't have much of a problem with all those guys making the hall based on their numbers, but they just seem so artificial to me that I don't really mind seeing them not make it either. But I agree with you on the "cheaters" double standard, no denying that.
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The Red Sox and Dodgers are going to the postseason. The Tigers, A's and Braves are getting awfully close. Once the division races are over we can focus on the really important thing, the WCs.
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Did any of ya'll watch the Mariano Rivera ceremony today?
It was really great to see the championship core back together again, not to mention how the Yankees actually got Metallica to perform live just for today.
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Did any of ya'll watch the Mariano Rivera ceremony today?
It was really great to see the championship core back together again, not to mention how the Yankees actually got Metallica to perform live just for today.
That's whats up. I've never been a big Metallica fan but I've always liked that song.
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Did any of ya'll watch the Mariano Rivera ceremony today?
It was really great to see the championship core back together again, not to mention how the Yankees actually got Metallica to perform live just for today.
That's whats up. I've never been a big Metallica fan but I've always liked that song.
I get goosebumps everytime I go to Yankee Stadium and that song starts playing in the 9th (and occasionally 8th) inning. Too bad it all ends this Thursday.
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It appears as though Manny Machado suffered a leg injury today. Looked pretty ugly.
I guess that also makes him the latest in a long line of young phenoms to fall to injury (Harper, Harvey, Puig etc...).
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fuckin dodgers just lost again, damn
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fuckin dodgers just lost again, damn
Damn, I knew Wacha was good but I didn't know he was good enough to outduel Kershaw.
I expect more articles to appear about Mattingly's bad management skills by tomorrow morning.
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strikin mufuckaz out left n right, clutch
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Thought the Dodgers were gonna handle the Cards..still plenty of ball to play though.
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The Cardinals have loads of nameless, faceless but effective players and Carlos Beltran.
The Dodgers better hope that game 1 and 2 were just metaphors for their terrible Apirl and May and that games 3, 4, 5, and 6 will represent their June, July, August and September.
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cartlos beltran = best playoff hitter since reggie jackson. if anyone tries to argue this they are FOOLISH. not even Jeter is as amazing in the playoffs as Beltran.
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The World Series Match-Up is set,
Boston Red Sox vs St. Louis Cardinals
Go Cards.
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^ So lame. Of all the Playoff teams this season I honestly can't think of a combo that I wanted to see less.
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Well for what it's worth, both of these teams finished with the best records in their respective leagues so it is a match-up between the best teams both leagues have/had to offer. At least that's what the records say.
Anyway, Adam Wainwright is looking like Adam Wainwrong again. Where's Chris Carpenter when you need him?
And that's a rhetorical question, I know he already retired.
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Well for what it's worth, both of these teams finished with the best records in their respective leagues so it is a match-up between the best teams both leagues have/had to offer. At least that's what the records say.
Anyway, Adam Wainwright is looking like Adam Wainwrong again. Where's Chris Carpenter when you need him?
And that's a rhetorical question, I know he already retired.
I wanted to see Dodgers vs Tigers. Or Red Sox vs Dodgers. Or Cardinals vs Tigers. But Boston vs St Louis :-\. Pulling for St. Louis but that first game was far from encouraging.
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Not sure if you guys are watching the WS but that was a really wacky and fun ending to game 3. Should make for a fun topic of discussion depending who ends up winning the series.
But man oh man is Middlebrooks going to be in hell when he returns to Boston (unless he goes all Reggie Jackson on the Cardinal's pitching staff).
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Speaking of the Cardinal's pitching staff I just came across a scary thought. Lance Lynn is practically the only pitcher on the Cardinal's current postseason roster was present in the 2011 World Series (Adam Wainwright was injured in 2011 and everyone else was either still in the minors or in school).
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Game three was nuts.
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The Boston Red Sox have won the world series here in 2013.
Yawn.
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The Boston Red Sox have won the world series here in 2013.
Yawn.
This is one of the first series in a while I just felt like I had no interest. I wanted the Cards to win but I really don't like them at all either.
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This is one of the first series in a while I just felt like I had no interest. I wanted the Cards to win but I really don't like them at all either.
Same. Although I've gotta admit that the games in St. Louis were pretty "unique" to say the least.
Anyway with that out of the way now the good stuff can begin. The off-season filled with questions, finding answers for those questions, free-agent signings, blockbuster trades etc...
And speaking of free-agent signings, future Blue Jay Robinson Cano anyone?
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This is one of the first series in a while I just felt like I had no interest. I wanted the Cards to win but I really don't like them at all either.
Same. Although I've gotta admit that the games in St. Louis were pretty "unique" to say the least.
Anyway with that out of the way now the good stuff can begin. The off-season filled with questions, finding answers for those questions, free-agent signings, blockbuster trades etc...
And speaking of free-agent signings, future Blue Jay Robinson Cano anyone?
Plenty of fun questions in Mariner-land too. Who will coach this floundering franchise that three managers have left in the last decade (not counted those fired). How much will we have to overpay to get the likes of Sin Soo Choo or Jacoby Ellsburry. I was pretty optimistic going into this last season but it turned out to be a huge step sideways. We still have some promising young talent but I'm getting fed up.
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11/11 round-up
*Ladies and gentlemen, Joe Mauer's catching days are over
*Cardinals and Rockies have negotiated a possible trade involving Troy Tulowitzki
*Every soon-to-be free agent who got qualifying offers from their teams (13) declined them
*Braves will be moving to a new stadium in 2016
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Brian Wilson will not be coming to the Yankees because he doesn't want to shave his beard.
Seattle is interested in trading for Matt Kemp.
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Brian Wilson will not be coming to the Yankees because he doesn't want to shave his beard.
Seattle is interested in trading for Matt Kemp.
lol yankees on some hitler shit tho
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lol yankees on some hitler shit tho
Yep lol. Hence why folks call them the "Evil Empire."
Hot Stove updates:
*Phillies resign Carlos Ruiz to a 3 year $26 million deal
*Giants close to signing Tim Hudson to a 2 year $23 million deal
Regarding the Chooch deal I think it's a good one for the Phillies. Obviously you could make a million jokes about how old they're getting but that's not to say the Ruiz deal is terrible. It's certainly not any worse than the Ryan Howard deal. Ugh.
Regarding the Hudson deal, appearently the Giants wanted a number 4 guy behind Cain, Lincecum and Bumgarner. And a relatively quick signing where negotiations wouldn't take eons to complete. Dan Haren and Bronson Arroyo were also rumored to be other pitchers the Giants' targeted.
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Brian Wilson will not be coming to the Yankees because he doesn't want to shave his beard.
Seattle is interested in trading for Matt Kemp.
Trying to be the anti-Red Sox I suppose. As far as Kemp goes, I love him as a player but dude has been way too injury prone. I don't see them giving him out without a Taijuan walker package and I don't know that I'm in favor of that. It'd be exciting if it went down either way but there's a lot of risk associated with it. The life of a Mariner fan.
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Hot Stove updates:
*The Royals sign Jason Vargas to a 4 year $32 million contract
-Royals rotation improves a little, the team itself still looks mediocre
-The Angels pitching situation got a whole lot worse since they just lost their best pitcher not named Weaver
*The Mets sign Chris Young to a 1 year $7.25 million contract
-As of right now Chris Young will be the second highest paid player for the Mets in 2014 (behind David Wright)
-The Mets' 3 decade long search for stability from their OF continues
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How much do you see Cano getting paid, and where do you say he ends up?
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Dammit Remedy, I was hoping you had reported the Bloomquist signing so I wouldn't have to.
I see Cano getting a 7 year deal that's no where near the $30 milli per year he wants, but loaded with incentives. It's going to be an overpay anyway so I stopped caring about what he might get.
And unfortunately I see him returning to the Yankees. Not too many teams "can afford Cano's services" (which is to say their owners are cheapskates) and even the ones that do would prefer to keep their draft pick rather than give it to the Yankees.
Now onto more important hot-stove news:
*11:59 PM (EST) is the deadline for teams to tender (rehire) players or let them go out into free agency
*Oakland Athletics sign Scott Kazmir to a 2 year $22 million deal
*Toronto Blue Jays sign Dioner Navarro to a 2 year $8 million deal
*New York Yankees have traded Chris Stewart to the Pittsburgh Pirates for a player to be named later
*Seattle Mariners sign Willie Bloomquist to a 2 year deal in the $5-6 million range
Why are these important?
*A lot of good names could become available if their teams choose to not tender them.
*The Kazmir signing indicates the A's will not resign free agent pitcher Bartolo Colon.
*The Navarro signing indicates that the Blue Jays are willing to (and probably will) trade JP Arencibia (who had a historically bad season, like one of the worst offensive seasons in baseball history in 2013) as they need to keep Josh Thole around to catch knuckle-baller RA Dickey.
*Since the Yankees had signed McCann (a signing I've come around to) they suddenly found themselves with 5 catchers. They've traded away Stewart and the Yankees may trade either (but not both) Cervelli or Romine in the near future and whichever one they keep will be McCann's backup. The last option the Yankees have is NOT Sanchez since he's still a few years away from making his MLB debut, let alone being the backup catcher, but rather J.R. Murphy. Murphy will likely spend some time in AAA and see limited action in the big leagues unless McCann or Cervelli (or both) get injured or until rosters can expand in September.
*The Bloomquist signing is not important.
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Dammit Remedy, I was hoping you had reported the Bloomquist signing so I wouldn't have to.
LOL, start time to start printing world series tickets! In all seriousness Bloomquist is a nice bench player but I didn't really feel it was newsworthy on here.
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LOL, start time to start printing world series tickets! In all seriousness Bloomquist is a nice bench player but I didn't really feel it was newsworthy on here.
BTW, do you see your Mariners making a push for Cano? And yes I ask that even though I'm aware of the presence of Ackley and Franklin but still...
Not trying to troll you or anything but I can't honestly can't tell if the Mariners are still rebuilding or if they're following their neighbor in San Diego's footsteps and staying mediocre. And I say that because the M's were going all in on Josh Hamilton last year (or at least they were rumored to be going after Hamilton) and failed and if Ackley (and to an extent Montero and Smoak, even though they were brought in from other teams) is/are any indication I can't tell if their rebuild is working.
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LOL, start time to start printing world series tickets! In all seriousness Bloomquist is a nice bench player but I didn't really feel it was newsworthy on here.
BTW, do you see your Mariners making a push for Cano? And yes I ask that even though I'm aware of the presence of Ackley and Franklin but still...
Not trying to troll you or anything but I can't honestly can't tell if the Mariners are still rebuilding or if they're following their neighbor in San Diego's footsteps and staying mediocre. And I say that because the M's were going all in on Josh Hamilton last year (or at least they were rumored to be going after Hamilton) and failed and if Ackley (and to an extent Montero and Smoak, even though they were brought in from other teams) is/are any indication I can't tell if their rebuild is working.
I wouldn't be surprised. Our only major contract is Felix and outside of that we have Iwakuma making around 5 mill and then a bunch of youngsters on rookie contracts. The M's also just bought Root Sports so there will be a lot of TV money coming in from that, so we theoretically have more spending money than we've ever had. I honestly wouldn't mind overpaying for a guy like Cano, cause bringing in a guy like that at least shows a commitment to winning and could show other potential FA's that we're serious. We haven't had much to cheer for lately and having a superstar come in would at least increase fan interest as well. As far as the rebuilding goes, those three have been disappointments. I think there's still some hope left for Ackley who had a good second half last year. I want to be wrong about Smoak, but he's been around long enough that I think we kinda know what he is. Montero, well I don't even want to talk about him. We still have Miller/Franklin in the infield who are pretty highly regarded along with Mike Zunino behind the dish. We also have a bunch of good young pitching that we could flip for bats if need be and our farm systems still ranked among the best in baseball. So to answer your question I think the plan is to still build around young guys, but the fact that we've taken shots at guys like Fielder/Hamilton does show that they want to supplement them with legit talent. Just a matter of what we're willing to offer/whose willing to come. We're not gonna be able to bring in any names without overpaying until we turn around in the win department.
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Lol, ironically in the past 24 hours reports of Mariners being heavily interested in Cano have surfaced. Now they're "real players."
Please take him and give us your draft pick.
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Lol, ironically in the past 24 hours reports of Mariners being heavily interested in Cano have surfaced. Now they're "real players."
Please take him and give us your draft pick.
We were supposedly serious about Prince and Hamilton as well, so only time will tell.
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I know, that's why I wrote real players in quotation marks and also wrote please. I've got my fingers crossed though, hell I'll even drive Jigga and Cano to Seattle myself if I have to.
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I know, that's why I wrote real players in quotation marks and also wrote please. I've got my fingers crossed though, hell I'll even drive Jigga and Cano to Seattle myself if I have to.
You just don't want to deal with the contract?
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Cano to Seattle won't happen. That'd be a step backwards for him.
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TBH it's not so much the contract since the Yankees are bound to overpay for someone else anyway and probably will continue to do so for all eternity, and the Yankees are pretty much the richest team in baseball.
However, my biggest concern with the Yankees is that they are a time-bomb. An implosion is just waiting to happen and probably will happen after Jeter retires (hell, it could happen before he retires). I want that implosion to happen soon so that the Yankees will be FORCED to rebuild from within and revive their farmsystem. They have some really nice building blocks in the really low minors (rookie/low a-level) with plenty of room to improve.
If Cano comes back then that gives the team, fans and media "hope" than they can build around him and force the Yankees to continue being competitive/repetitive and I do not want that. I don't wany any more McCanns, Teixieras, Rodriguezes, Wellses or Ichiros. Just let the Yankees dynasty die, go back to being the terrible team that they were in the 80's, revive the farmsystem and take the 2020's and 2030's by storm with the next Yankees dynasty that was built from within.
Basically I want the Yankees to lose now so they can win later. If Cano comes back the Yankees lose now and will also continue to lose later.
Edit: While I was writing this post the Yankees gave me the middle finger and signed Ellsbury.
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Rumors are starting come out that the M's are interested in David Price. Names like Taijuan Walker and Nick Franklin have popped up as part of the possible package going back to Tampa.
Your thoughts on this matter remedy? Do you like the concept of Price (and possibly Cano) being on your M's in 2014 and beyond? Do you think keeping Walker around would be a better option? Do see this trade happening at all?
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Rumors are starting come out that the M's are interested in David Price. Names like Taijuan Walker and Nick Franklin have popped up as part of the possible package going back to Tampa.
Your thoughts on this matter remedy? Do you like the concept of Price (and possibly Cano) being on your M's in 2014 and beyond? Do you think keeping Walker around would be a better option? Do see this trade happening at all?
I don't want to give up Taijuan Walker unless it's for offense. He's as bright of a pitching prospect as there is out there, and he didn't even start pitching until he was an upper-classman in high school and is still only 21. Just an absolute freak of an athlete who is still learning the game. By all accounts he's gonna be a top of the rotation guy sooner rather than later, so I don't really think shipping him out for another pitcher is worth it. I think we have enough good young arms that were able to get their feet wet last year that we'll be fine as far as pitching goes. If there's anything we're desperate for it's hitting, so I'd likely be okay with dealing him for a big-time instant bat. I just don't see the point of using someone that could bring in as much as Walker could on a position we're already stacked at. Of course I'd love to see Price here (with Felix and Iwakuma next season :o) but I don't think he's coming unless it's a Walker package. As far as Cano goes, I'd be ecstatic to see him here. Yeah we'd have to overpay, and yeah he probably wouldn't be great towards the end of the contract, the M's have just been in the gutter for so long that it would be great to see a big splash like that. As sad as it is, haven't had a year-in year-out threat in the middle of our lineup since A-Rod left. Our season tickets have declined something crazy like 60% in the last decade, and especially now with how fucking awesome the Seahawks are, the M's are just a punchline to the average Seattle fan. This would at least give people something to get excited about, and give us a proven guy to supplement all the young players, while also creating the potential for other big free-agents in the future. I have a feeling that the M's are being used as leverage in this one, but I'd love to see it happen even if the contract looks bad on paper. For the record, I would have been cool with throwing the type of money you guys did towards Ellesburry as well.
On a different note, I'd love to hear a conversation between Jack-Z and Jay-Z.
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^Okay so you wouldn't want to give up Walker for Price. Not sure if the M's could pull off a trade if Walker's not going to Tampa (I know Hultzen and Paxton are good but they aren't Walker) though.
BTW, I just saw this on my twitter feed,
Source with knowledge of the Mariners planning said they are going to offer Cano 9 years/$225 million
In other words shit just got real.
If the M's can get Cano and resign Morales, they could be a wild-card contender.
If the Yankees can't resign Cano, they're fucked.
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In the Cano thread I briefly mentioned how Seattle suddenly seemed to be able to offer a huge 10 year $250 million contract to somebody and not when their past superstars were on their way out of the door. Well I've been thinking a lot deeper about it and I thought I'd share my 2 cents.
*Ken Griffey Jr.
I actually poked fun on another forum about why Seattle never offered Griffey this kind of contract and I was told that it was because Griffey had requested to be traded to his relatives in Cincinnati (for the record I was not a baseball fan in the 90's). And I actually did a little research and found that it was allegedly triggered by Payne Stewart's death. However the pessimist in me has to wonder whether or not he left because he knew that Seattle was not going to fork over the money he thought he deserved, would he have stayed if he knew that Seattle was willing (and more importantly able) to give him a contract that would be the biggest ever in MLB history? I emphasis the able part because I believe that the TV deal that Seattle signed relatively recently is a significant source of where they're getting the money to pay for Hernandez and Cano's contracts. That wasn't available when Griffey was still in Seattle but the M's were owned by Nintendo, one of the biggest brands in the 80's and 90's, couldn't they have resigned Griffey?
*Alex Rodriguez
Admittedly the Griffey arguement has flaws since I know little to nothing about Griffey and the Mariners's financial status in the 90's.
However with A-Rod I know for a fact that if the M's had offered this deal then Rodriguez would've at least considered staying in Seattle. Imagine how different our perception of A-Rod would be today if he had stayed in Seattle. Most of the mainstream hate towards him started when he left Seattle for big money in Texas, it got worse when he was traded to New York and the idiotic Yankee fans got their panties in a bunch when they started worrying about how Jesus Christ might have to move to a different position or team and the biggest outcry came when A-Rod became known as A-Roid after being tied to PEDs.
Plus even if don't you consider all that off the field crap you still have to think, in what drug-induced land is giving a 31 year old Robinson Cano $240 million until he's in his 40's more worth it than paying a then-26 year old Alex Rodriguez the same amount for the next decade (which included the prime years of his career)?
And though I'd hate to bring off the field issues in again, imagine how little impact the A-Rod PED scandal(s) would've had on the sports world if he was still in Seattle. After all the only reason the A-Rod saga is as big as it is today is because he's playing for the Yankees.
Basically where I'm going with this is that if A-Rod had stayed in Seattle, his career wouldn't be the sad punchline it is today. And that the Mariners are partly to blame. And they still have the audacity to act like A-Rod was never a part of their franchise.
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In the Cano thread I briefly mentioned how Seattle suddenly seemed to be able to offer a huge 10 year $250 million contract to somebody and not when their past superstars were on their way out of the door. Well I've been thinking a lot deeper about it and I thought I'd share my 2 cents.
*Ken Griffey Jr.
I actually poked fun on another forum about why Seattle never offered Griffey this kind of contract and I was told that it was because Griffey had requested to be traded to his relatives in Cincinnati (for the record I was not a baseball fan in the 90's). And I actually did a little research and found that it was allegedly triggered by Payne Stewart's death. However the pessimist in me has to wonder whether or not he left because he knew that Seattle was not going to fork over the money he thought he deserved, would he have stayed if he knew that Seattle was willing (and more importantly able) to give him a contract that would be the biggest ever in MLB history? I emphasis the able part because I believe that the TV deal that Seattle signed relatively recently is a significant source of where they're getting the money to pay for Hernandez and Cano's contracts. That wasn't available when Griffey was still in Seattle but the M's were owned by Nintendo, one of the biggest brands in the 80's and 90's, couldn't they have resigned Griffey?
Yeah, we wanted him here for the long-haul but he wanted out to be closer to home, which was why he used the no-trade clause he had in his current extension and only wanted to go to Cinci. As loved as Griffey is here he really fucked us in that regard only wanting to be in a certain place and preventing us from getting the best deal (we got a fucking Mike Cameron package for the best player in baseball). He took a pay-cut based on what he was making here (and could have made in the future), so the idea that money was why Griffey left is completely wrong. In terms of ownership, we still have the same people up top even though the Ninendo guy died. As far as A-Rod goes, yeah that was over money. We did try to keep him but weren't offering as much as Texas so he took the money and left. I think the M's being cheap is a big misperception. Chuck and Howard up top have been known to be incompetent, but the organization has spent plenty of money in the past. In 2008 we were in the top 5-10 in terms of payroll, the money just went towards the wrong guys (Beltre, Sexson, Silva, Bedard, Washburn, etc) I'd say incompetence is an appropriate term to use with the M's brass, but not cheap. This isn't (and hasn't been since the 90's) a Kansas City type market that just refuses to spend.
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Actually, calling Chuck and Howard incompetent is too friendly. The guys are complete boobs. They loved Griffey though and he always had a great relationship with them. He even defended them during his M's HOF speech several months ago. He's the only guy that could come out and defend those guys and not get booed.
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I'm not saying that the M's didn't spend money. I'm saying that they didn't spend money on the guys that mattered.
Griffey and A-Rod were at one point the best players in baseball, and in A-Rod's case he was still only 26 and definitely had another decade of good baseball in him. I looked at what the M's initially offered A-Rod and it's no wonder he left, it barely even came close to what the M's gave King Felix.
I didn't even mention the other big guy, Randy Johnson. A guy who'd definitely have been worth keeping around. Although to be fair, giving a 10 year deal to a pitcher would've been just dumb.
Anyway, let me repeat myself by saying that I was not saying the M's were crying poor like the Royals, Rays and Marlins are, nor was I saying that they didn't have money to spend. However, I'm just wondering why they didn't offer that money to their bigger superstars who really mattered and how different things would be now if they had stuck around. Especially A-Rod.
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I'm not saying that the M's didn't spend money. I'm saying that they didn't spend money on the guys that mattered.
Griffey and A-Rod were at one point the best players in baseball, and in A-Rod's case he was still only 26 and definitely had another decade of good baseball in him. I looked at what the M's initially offered A-Rod and it's no wonder he left, it barely even came close to what the M's gave King Felix.
I didn't even mention the other big guy, Randy Johnson. A guy who'd definitely have been worth keeping around. Although to be fair, giving a 10 year deal to a pitcher would've been just dumb.
Anyway, let me repeat myself by saying that I was not saying the M's were crying poor like the Royals, Rays and Marlins are, nor was I saying that they didn't have money to spend. However, I'm just wondering why they didn't offer that money to their bigger superstars who really mattered and how different things would be now if they had stuck around. Especially A-Rod.
Well, like I said, you can't put Griffey in there cause they woulda kept him had all that external stuff not happened. A-Rod, yeah, we shoulda offered more, but to say it's not near what Felix was offered is a bit ridiculous when you think about how much the game has changed economically between now and then. Randy Johnson also wanted out and didn't wanna re-sign. His beef may have actually been with Chuck and Howard but I'm not sure. I can't believe I'm actually defending these guys, my only real problem is your thoughts on Griffey. Anyone who was around here knows they wanted to keep him and that he wanted out for family reasons. Like I said, he took a pay cut to play in Cincinatti. Anyone who tells you it was about money in the least bit is misinformed.
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Fine, so I was a little wrong about Griffey then. I'll admit it, especially since I didn't know who Griffey was until he was in a Reds uni.
However, my opinion on how the M's should've offered A-Rod more and how they are just as guilty for how A-Rod's reputation became so tarnished still stands. A-Rod's fall from grace started because of the Mariners' didn't even offer him a fair deal (and I know the economics of baseball have changed, but you'll never be able to convince me that the Nintendo-owned M's couldn't have given the Cano contract to A-Rod back in 2000). And while I can't say that he might've taken that contract over the one the Rangers gave him, who knows what would've happened if the M's did everything they could to keep A-Rod a Mariner for life. Then again the M's might've just dumped him onto the Yankees 3 or 4 years into that deal...
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Fine, so I was a little wrong about Griffey then. I'll admit it, especially since I didn't know who Griffey was until he was in a Reds uni.
However, my opinion on how the M's should've offered A-Rod more and how they are just as guilty for how A-Rod's reputation became so tarnished still stands. A-Rod's fall from grace started because of the Mariners' didn't even offer him a fair deal (and I know the economics of baseball have changed, but you'll never be able to convince me that the Nintendo-owned M's couldn't have given the Cano contract to A-Rod back in 2000). And while I can't say that he might've taken that contract over the one the Rangers gave him, who knows what would've happened if the M's did everything they could to keep A-Rod a Mariner for life. Then again the M's might've just dumped him onto the Yankees 3 or 4 years into that deal...
LOL, so we're guilty for his reputation being tarnished? Somehow I'm not going to lose any sleep.
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Not just the Mariners. A-Rod himself and Scott Boras are also to blame for A-Rod's downfall but the Mariners are definitely guilty to a certain extent. Yet they act like A-Rod was never a part of their organization. Faggots.
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Not just the Mariners. A-Rod himself and Scott Boras are also to blame for A-Rod's downfall but the Mariners are definitely guilty to a certain extent. Yet they act like A-Rod was never a part of their organization. Faggots.
Such anger. Do you want us to retire his jersey or something?
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Anger? Lol, hardly. I've got nothing for A-Rod or against the Mariners.
However I do dare you guys to induct him into the Mariners Hall Of Fame.
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Rumor has it that the Yankees turned down an offer from the Reds proposing a Brandon Phillips for Brett Gardner recently. Details are sketchy and chances are more players would've been involved but either way it went nowhere.
Stupid Yankees. They'll regret this when Brett Gardner leaves via free agency and signs with a team like the Mets.
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Rumor has it that the Yankees turned down an offer from the Reds proposing a Brandon Phillips for Brett Gardner recently. Details are sketchy and chances are more players would've been involved but either way it went nowhere.
Stupid Yankees. They'll regret this when Brett Gardner leaves via free agency and signs with a team like the Mets.
Yeah if Gardner really is on the trading block and they want to flip a 2B then they might've missed a big one here.
Phillips tends to get hated on due to his poor attitude, to the point where he actually becomes underrated. I don't think Yanks are going to get a better second base offer than that. He may be coming off a down year offensively but he still might be the best defensive glove at 2B in the league and even in his down year he wasn't necessarily horrible at the bat.
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Yeah if Gardner really is on the trading block and they want to flip a 2B then they might've missed a big one here.
Phillips tends to get hated on due to his poor attitude, to the point where he actually becomes underrated. I don't think Yanks are going to get a better second base offer than that. He may be coming off a down year offensively but he still might be the best defensive glove at 2B in the league and even in his down year he wasn't necessarily horrible at the bat.
Well from the reports I've seen since I made that post appearently it might've had to do with how Phillips is a lot more expensive than Gardner (and he was even asking for a slight bonus if he's traded). Ergo it might not really be whether or not the Yankees value Phillips too low or Gardner too high, they just didn't want to pay Phillips for the rest of his contract.
Still, you're right about how the Yankees won't get a better offer for a 2nd baseman. In the long run Phillips would be a good investment since Gardner is obviously going to leave after other teams offer him more money than the Yankees will, Infante will not be a long-term solution and they don't have any promising second base prospects coming up through their system (not anytime soon at least). Plus Infante and his agents will use this to their advantage seeing as how he's probably the best option left thus driving his price, if he were to sign with the Yankees, even higher.
On a sidenote, I'm considering renouncing my status as a Yankees fan when Gardner leaves and Jeter retires, the appeal of the team to me was that their core was homegrown. But once Garder and Jeter go, who the fuck is left?
Although I suppose I'll eventually go back to being a Yankees fan when the team has finally collapsed and the team has no choice but to rebuild and actually develop their own players again and goes back to being the lovable losers they were in the 80's/Roberto Kelly years 8).
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Yeah if Gardner really is on the trading block and they want to flip a 2B then they might've missed a big one here.
Phillips tends to get hated on due to his poor attitude, to the point where he actually becomes underrated. I don't think Yanks are going to get a better second base offer than that. He may be coming off a down year offensively but he still might be the best defensive glove at 2B in the league and even in his down year he wasn't necessarily horrible at the bat.
Well from the reports I've seen since I made that post appearently it might've had to do with how Phillips is a lot more expensive than Gardner (and he was even asking for a slight bonus if he's traded). Ergo it might not really be whether or not the Yankees value Phillips too low or Gardner too high, they just didn't want to pay Phillips for the rest of his contract.
Still, you're right about how the Yankees won't get a better offer for a 2nd baseman. In the long run Phillips would be a good investment since Gardner is obviously going to leave after other teams offer him more money than the Yankees will, Infante will not be a long-term solution and they don't have any promising second base prospects coming up through their system (not anytime soon at least). Plus Infante and his agents will use this to their advantage seeing as how he's probably the best option left thus driving his price, if he were to sign with the Yankees, even higher.
On a sidenote, I'm considering renouncing my status as a Yankees fan when Gardner leaves and Jeter retires, the appeal of the team to me was that their core was homegrown. But once Garder and Jeter go, who the fuck is left?
Although I suppose I'll eventually go back to being a Yankees fan when the team has finally collapsed and the team has no choice but to rebuild and actually develop their own players again and goes back to being the lovable losers they were in the 80's/Roberto Kelly years 8).
Yeah it doesn't help Yankees' cause that Royals are after Infante as well. If Infante is willing to do a 3 year (or less) deal, I'd sign him in a heart beat.
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Update:
*John Axford signs with Cleveland Indians. 1 year, $4.5 million plus incentives.
*Mark Ellis signs with St. Louis Cardinals. 1 year, $5.25 million plus incentives.
*Gavin Floyd signs with Atlanta Braves. 1 year, $4.5 million with an addition $4.5 million in incentives.
*D-Backs and White Sox trade again
D-Backs Get:
Addison Reed
White Sox Get:
Matt Davidson
White Sox seem to be getting younger with every move they make (Garcia, Abreu and now Davidson).
The Braves managed to bring in a decent 4th starter and have also avoided arbitration with Brandon Beachy.
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More updates:
*Grant Balfour signs with Baltimore Orioles.
The O's and A's just swapped closers.
*Raul Ibanez signs with Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. 1 year $2.75 million. Loaded with incentives that could potentially be worth $5 million.
The Angels have the best 21 year old season of all time and the best 41 year old season of all time.
*Casey McGehee signs with Miami Marlins.
1 year deal, financials not announced.
*Padres-Astros Trade: Jesus Guzman goes to Houston, Ryan Jackson goes to San Diego.
BORING!
*Indians-Rockies Trade: Drew Stubbs goes to Colorado, Josh Outman goes to Cleveland.
Hopefully Stubbs does better in Coors, Cleveland basically just wanted to dump Stubbs onto someone else.
*Red Sox-Rockies Trade: Jonathan Herrera goes to Boston, Franklin Morales goes to Colorado.
Yawn
*Joaquin Benoit signed a 2 year deal with the San Diego Padres.
Dollar figure not announced. A pitcher going to San Diego is never a bad thing.
*Eric Chavez resigns with D-Backs. Details not yet disclosed.
Allegedly Chavez didn't want to move so he stayed in Arizona.
*Braves-Twins Trade: Ryan Doumit goes to Atlanta, Sean Gilmartin goes to Minnesota
Twins save money by trading away Doumit and are allegedly looking at cheaper options like Kurt Suzuki. Twins are also looking said to be looking for more pitching.
Braves get to use Bethancourt and/or Gattis in the pinch-hitter role. The addition of Doumit provides depth both on the bench and at catcher.
*Orioles-Royals Trade: David Lough goes to Baltimore, Danny Valencia goes to Kansas City
Baltimore saves money as Valencia still has potential to be a serviceable major leaguer
Decent pickup by Kansas City
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Well..pitchers and catchers reported.
-Iwakuma's gonna miss 4-6 weeks with a strained finger
-Franklin "The Iron Man" Guttierez is out for the season with gastrointestinal problems. That'll give him 81 games in 3 seasons.
-El Galapago aka the Large Tortoise aka Jesus Montero showed up to camp overweight (past what Wedge considered overweight last season) AFTER getting busted for PED's last year. What a bum this guy has turned out to be.
-Fernando Rodney still pending his physical
Really hope we make a run at a guy like Jimenez or Santana. We have some good young arms but anchoring the end of the rotation with 3 of them is not a good plan for this season. Apparently the front office is very interested in Nelson Cruz and I am hoping against hope that it does not happen.
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So the Pirates recently acquired Vance Worley for cash recently.
Personally I think that's a pretty nice acquisition considering how Worley can be a servicable fifth starter (at least based on what I've seen, heard and read). Plus unlike last year he should have some more offense to help back him up this year. Or at least he will if he pitches in the bigs.
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Who you got in these playoffs?