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1. Jay-Z - totally average rapper at best. Dude is naturally a monotone rapper, who decided later in his career to start using his voice more but it just sounded forced and manufactured. Boring flow, and a personality not nearly eccentric enough to entertain. .
2. Jay-Z - This dude sells off of image alone. As far as materialistic monotone rappers go, I would put Mase way ahead of Jigga. At least Mase is somewhat entertaining because he's an all original character
3. Jay-Z - Just compare the Jigga version of "Renegade" with the Royce version and you will see how wack Jigga is. Best thing he ever did in his career was writing "Still Dre". For that, and that alone I give him props.
Honorable mentions:
Jay- Z - This dude never had one decent album his whole career. People say Reasonable Doubt is dope, but I was big into hip-hop in 96 and nobody I knew was fuckin with this album. It just became some fashionable thing to say, because Jay has so many great connections in the industry and is a marketing genius he was able to make people believe he was dope. If enough people say it the lie becomes the truth.
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tupac
biggie
soulja boy
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tupac
:o
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Wayne - Theres people who think hes GOAT lol
Em - SSLP & MMLP was hot. Everything after hot garbage.
Jay - Only considered GOAT among casual fans n people who worship money. Most successful =/=most talented
Honorable mention to Busta & Meth for makin legendary careers out of bein average rappers
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lil wayne
jay z (career wise but he was great in the 1990s)
young jeezy
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Wayne - Theres people who think hes GOAT lol
Em - SSLP & MMLP was hot. Everything after hot garbage.
Jay - Only considered GOAT among casual fans n people who worship money. Most successful =/=most talented
Honorable mention to Busta & Meth for makin legendary careers out of bein average rappers
You don't think Eminem Show was a great album? What is wrong with that album? It's flawless.
As for Jay-Z your exactly right.
Busta, agreed. I like hiim as a person so I'm not going to beat up on him too much, but he's probably the most over-rated after Jay-Z.
Meth is one of the all time greats even though he failed to put together any classic solo's. His career in Wu-tang was enough, and he did have a half-dozen or so classic solo joints.
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1. Jay-Z - totally average rapper at best. Dude is naturally a monotone rapper, who decided later in his career to start using his voice more but it just sounded forced and manufactured. Boring flow, and a personality not nearly eccentric enough to entertain. .
2. Jay-Z - This dude sells off of image alone. As far as materialistic monotone rappers go, I would put Mase way ahead of Jigga. At least Mase is somewhat entertaining because he's an all original character
3. Jay-Z - Just compare the Jigga version of "Renegade" with the Royce version and you will see how wack Jigga is. Best thing he ever did in his career was writing "Still Dre". For that, and that alone I give him props.
Honorable mentions:
Jay- Z - This dude never had one decent album his whole career. People say Reasonable Doubt is dope, but I was big into hip-hop in 96 and nobody I knew was fuckin with this album. It just became some fashionable thing to say, because Jay has so many great connections in the industry and is a marketing genius he was able to make people believe he was dope. If enough people say it the lie becomes the truth.
hahahahahaha
i was gonna put jay-z for all 3 too.
nigga gets his ass kissed so much its pathetic. and u know its bad when you got old white ladies quoting his lyrics n shit trying to impress someone.
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i love how old washed up rappers ride the jocks of Jigga and Wayne to try to be relevant
didn't KRS once say Wayne was the best? lmao
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i love how old washed up rappers ride the jocks of Jigga and Wayne to try to be relevant
didn't KRS once say Wayne was the best? lmao
funny thing is KRs-1 is no washed up rapper . KRS-1 is the teacher,a hip hop legend , & a real mc.
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i love how old washed up rappers ride the jocks of Jigga and Wayne to try to be relevant
didn't KRS once say Wayne was the best? lmao
funny thing is KRs-1 is no washed up rapper . KRS-1 is the teacher,a hip hop legend , & a real mc.
he's certainly not what he was 15 years ago
hell Biggie was alive and called him out on falling off lol
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i love how old washed up rappers ride the jocks of Jigga and Wayne to try to be relevant
didn't KRS once say Wayne was the best? lmao
funny thing is KRs-1 is no washed up rapper . KRS-1 is the teacher,a hip hop legend , & a real mc.
he's certainly not what he was 15 years ago
hell Biggie was alive and called him out on falling off lol
you mean biggie the bitter. the guy who stole his flow from Big daddy kane . biggie was full of shit then . . Biggie is most overrated rapper in history ever
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i love how old washed up rappers ride the jocks of Jigga and Wayne to try to be relevant
didn't KRS once say Wayne was the best? lmao
funny thing is KRs-1 is no washed up rapper . KRS-1 is the teacher,a hip hop legend , & a real mc.
he's certainly not what he was 15 years ago
hell Biggie was alive and called him out on falling off lol
you mean biggie the bitter. the guy who stole his flow from Big daddy kane . biggie was full of shit then . . Biggie is most overrated rapper in history ever
i heard your favorite rapper after nelly is john cena lol
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i love how old washed up rappers ride the jocks of Jigga and Wayne to try to be relevant
didn't KRS once say Wayne was the best? lmao
funny thing is KRs-1 is no washed up rapper . KRS-1 is the teacher,a hip hop legend , & a real mc.
he's certainly not what he was 15 years ago
hell Biggie was alive and called him out on falling off lol
you mean biggie the bitter. the guy who stole his flow from Big daddy kane . biggie was full of shit then . . Biggie is most overrated rapper in history ever
i heard your favorite rapper after nelly is john cena lol
one nelly is not my favorite ,dumbass . Nelly is a real life friend of mines . 2pac is my favorite rapper of all time .after 2pac i don't have another favorite . i am fan of some manying MC's i don't have another favorite after 2pac . i am fan of EPMD,cypress hill,eric b & rakim,Big daddy kane, treachros 3, LL cool j, wu-tang clan, outkast, goodie mob, the geto boys, NWA, CMW, SSC ,King tee, ice t, tha liks, freddie foxxx, snoop dogg, dogg pound, too short, e-40 & the click, kool g rap,Big K.r.i.t.,tito lopez,black hippy, heavy d & boyz,PEte rock & cl smooth,redman, curren$y,celly cell,pac div,spice 1,Run DMC,nemisis, gangstarr,Bone thugs, do or die, ras kass,mobb deep,nas, xzibit,& many more. don't bring wrestling or john cena in to this ,hater. . this is about music & nothing else,child.
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i love how old washed up rappers ride the jocks of Jigga and Wayne to try to be relevant
didn't KRS once say Wayne was the best? lmao
funny thing is KRs-1 is no washed up rapper . KRS-1 is the teacher,a hip hop legend , & a real mc.
he's certainly not what he was 15 years ago
hell Biggie was alive and called him out on falling off lol
you mean biggie the bitter. the guy who stole his flow from Big daddy kane . biggie was full of shit then . . Biggie is most overrated rapper in history ever
i heard your favorite rapper after nelly is john cena lol
one nelly is not my favorite ,dumbass . Nelly is a real life friend of mines . 2pac is my favorite rapper of all time .after 2pac i don't have another favorite . i am fan of some manying MC's i don't have another favorite after 2pac . i am fan of EPMD,cypress hill,eric b & rakim,Big daddy kane, treachros 3, LL cool j, wu-tang clan, outkast, goodie mob, the geto boys, NWA, CMW, SSC ,King tee, ice t, tha liks, freddie foxxx, snoop dogg, dogg pound, too short, e-40 & the click, kool g rap,Big K.r.i.t.,tito lopez,black hippy, heavy d & boyz,PEte rock & cl smooth,redman, curren$y,celly cell,pac div,spice 1,Run DMC,nemisis, gangstarr,Bone thugs, do or die, ras kass,mobb deep,nas, xzibit,& many more. don't bring wrestling or john cena in to this ,hater. . this is about music & nothing else,child.
i saw some rappers and wrestler's names in that post, but i couldn't understand anything else.
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Nelly is another over rated artist....he and Wayne ruined hip hop
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Yeah i'd probably say jay-z n Biggie even though both are not whack. i just think over rated.
I'd even say Big-L. dude was dope but i think people over praise him because he's dead.
Um, yeah 50 cent or lil Wayne i guess.
DMX? but really though i dont think i've heard enough of some of these guys music to fairly judge them.
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people don't praise Big L cuz he's dead they praise him because he's one of the best rhymers ever
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jay-z was the first one that popped into my mind. kanye, lil wayne..all the rappers who claim greatest rapper alive but are really no where close.
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i love how old washed up rappers ride the jocks of Jigga and Wayne to try to be relevant
didn't KRS once say Wayne was the best? lmao
funny thing is KRs-1 is no washed up rapper . KRS-1 is the teacher,a hip hop legend , & a real mc.
he's certainly not what he was 15 years ago
hell Biggie was alive and called him out on falling off lol
you mean biggie the bitter. the guy who stole his flow from Big daddy kane . biggie was full of shit then . . Biggie is most overrated rapper in history ever
i heard your favorite rapper after nelly is john cena lol
one nelly is not my favorite ,dumbass . Nelly is a real life friend of mines . 2pac is my favorite rapper of all time .after 2pac i don't have another favorite . i am fan of some manying MC's i don't have another favorite after 2pac . i am fan of EPMD,cypress hill,eric b & rakim,Big daddy kane, treachros 3, LL cool j, wu-tang clan, outkast, goodie mob, the geto boys, NWA, CMW, SSC ,King tee, ice t, tha liks, freddie foxxx, snoop dogg, dogg pound, too short, e-40 & the click, kool g rap,Big K.r.i.t.,tito lopez,black hippy, heavy d & boyz,PEte rock & cl smooth,redman, curren$y,celly cell,pac div,spice 1,Run DMC,nemisis, gangstarr,Bone thugs, do or die, ras kass,mobb deep,nas, xzibit,& many more. don't bring wrestling or john cena in to this ,hater. . this is about music & nothing else,child.
dude actually has legit taste. i think nelly is hands down the worst rapper he likes.
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i love how old washed up rappers ride the jocks of Jigga and Wayne to try to be relevant
didn't KRS once say Wayne was the best? lmao
funny thing is KRs-1 is no washed up rapper . KRS-1 is the teacher,a hip hop legend , & a real mc.
he's certainly not what he was 15 years ago
hell Biggie was alive and called him out on falling off lol
you mean biggie the bitter. the guy who stole his flow from Big daddy kane . biggie was full of shit then . . Biggie is most overrated rapper in history ever
i heard your favorite rapper after nelly is john cena lol
one nelly is not my favorite ,dumbass . Nelly is a real life friend of mines . 2pac is my favorite rapper of all time .after 2pac i don't have another favorite . i am fan of some manying MC's i don't have another favorite after 2pac . i am fan of EPMD,cypress hill,eric b & rakim,Big daddy kane, treachros 3, LL cool j, wu-tang clan, outkast, goodie mob, the geto boys, NWA, CMW, SSC ,King tee, ice t, tha liks, freddie foxxx, snoop dogg, dogg pound, too short, e-40 & the click, kool g rap,Big K.r.i.t.,tito lopez,black hippy, heavy d & boyz,PEte rock & cl smooth,redman, curren$y,celly cell,pac div,spice 1,Run DMC,nemisis, gangstarr,Bone thugs, do or die, ras kass,mobb deep,nas, xzibit,& many more. don't bring wrestling or john cena in to this ,hater. . this is about music & nothing else,child.
i saw some rappers and wrestler's names in that post, but i couldn't understand anything else.
It is not my fault you can not read.
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Nelly is another over rated artist....he and Wayne ruined hip hop
stop with that ignorant bullshit . nelly had nothing to do with with hip hop being ruined . it was ruined before nelly was around by Biggie,puffy,mase, Lil wayne & cash money . hip hop was already ruined before nelly was around . so stop bringing up his name .
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people don't praise Big L cuz he's dead they praise him because he's one of the best rhymers ever
Yeah he was good. I guess some people act he was the greatest ever. Maybe i need to go back an listen to more of his stuff.
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Lil Wayne after 2004.
Flo Rida-he's nothing special but he keeps getting a lot of pub ???
Soulja boy
Hurricane Chris
I guess another one is T.I. he got some good songs & there's a couple of T.I. albums I like. But overrated as in him thinking he's king of the south. I'm not the only one who feels that its Outkast who's the real kings of the south. Could it be Scarface or UGK? Perhaps, I haven't heard enough of their songs to make judgment on them. He's done some overrated songs like Rubberband Man, you know what it is, & whatever you like....gay song.
Busta Rhymes after E.L.E. fell off after that album.
I haven't heard enough of KRS One songs, feel like calling him overrated. 3 songs of his I like. Need to hear more to judge.
Tyga
I hardly call any rapper overrated. I might do it when I know an artist or group sucks but the media & industry saying they all that.
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1. Jay-Z - totally average rapper at best. Dude is naturally a monotone rapper, who decided later in his career to start using his voice more but it just sounded forced and manufactured. Boring flow, and a personality not nearly eccentric enough to entertain. .
2. Jay-Z - This dude sells off of image alone. As far as materialistic monotone rappers go, I would put Mase way ahead of Jigga. At least Mase is somewhat entertaining because he's an all original character
3. Jay-Z - Just compare the Jigga version of "Renegade" with the Royce version and you will see how wack Jigga is. Best thing he ever did in his career was writing "Still Dre". For that, and that alone I give him props.
Honorable mentions:
Jay- Z - This dude never had one decent album his whole career. People say Reasonable Doubt is dope, but I was big into hip-hop in 96 and nobody I knew was fuckin with this album. It just became some fashionable thing to say, because Jay has so many great connections in the industry and is a marketing genius he was able to make people believe he was dope. If enough people say it the lie becomes the truth.
hahahahahaha
i was gonna put jay-z for all 3 too.
nigga gets his ass kissed so much its pathetic. and u know its bad when you got old white ladies quoting his lyrics n shit trying to impress someone.
Thats why its so funny when these dudes brag about Grammys when them shits is most likely voted on by old white muhfuckers who dont even listen to hip hop like that.
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funny thing is KRs-1 is no washed up rapper . KRS-1 is the teacher,a hip hop legend , & a real mc.
PREACH!
...still would like to see where Big dissed him though. I honestly can't say I've bumped much of his music. But I respect his skills and respect him as maybe the highest authority on hip-hop. He only said the thing about Wayne being great because he was using him for that stop the violence thing.
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If I was answering this a year ago is have probably said Crooked I but the thing is dude can spit and lyrically he ticks all the boxes. I do feel he gets over hyped but thats limited to the fanboys really
In terms of most overrated of all time u got to look at what a wider audience are saying
1 Lil Wayne. When Carter IV dropped you had people saying they'd listened to the album back to back 24/7 since it dropped and quoting lyrics like its some biblical shit. Wayne is a capable rapper but he's mad weird and corney as fuck and his delivery is now dumbed down to slomo. A verse from this guy is like a train wreck on a track most times and it just stops dead
2 Drake. I'm not going to rip on him too much. He's a pop rapper who's good at what he does and hell he sells more than everyone else's favourite rappers combined. His music will never appeal to me because its straight ringtone shit that sounds good for a minute then u forget it when the next song comes on. People get real deep about his wordplay but he ain't anything serious or deep musically IMO
3 Joe Buddon. Dudes voice sounds awful on the mic, he don't ride a beat or flow well. I never heard a lyric that impressed me. His deep stuff is immature. Shit is the opposite of a good MC to me. The fact that anyone rates him as a serious artist is cause to say he's overrated
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I ain't gonna hate on Drake, he's one of the best today and that's not saying much at all. But most people put him as one of the best today so I have no problem with that. He doesn't even touch top 50 of all time though.
Most overrated:
3. Lil' Wayne: Unlike Drake, I heard people put him as one of the GOATs, which he is not even close. I have listened to almost all of his albums, I actually enjoy a song or two, but I just don't see him as one of the greatest ever. Of his era, I'd put TI and Young Jeezy over him.
2. Lil' Kim: I see her ranked as the GOAT in terms of female rappers, like we forget about Queen Latifah and Miss Hill. L-Boogie had more skill than any female I ever heard, and Latifah was that nice mix of hardcore rapper but still feminine. Not as feminine as Hill, but enough. Lil' Kim was just raunchy and did it better than others, but she was not as good as these ladies, or I'd even say Rah Digga.
1. (tie) Eazy E and Dr. Dre: Neither wrote their own rhymes, both considered legends. If you rank Dr. Dre as a producer, yeah his the best Hip-Hop producer ever. Eazy E as a businessman, yeah dude was a great businessman. But as rappers, neither is close to great.
I guess another one is T.I. he got some good songs & there's a couple of T.I. albums I like. But overrated as in him thinking he's king of the south. I'm not the only one who feels that its Outkast who's the real kings of the south. Could it be Scarface or UGK? Perhaps, I haven't heard enough of their songs to make judgment on them. He's done some overrated songs like Rubberband Man, you know what it is, & whatever you like....gay song.
I think it's hard to compare TI to anyone in the south not in his era. I'd agree he's not as good as Scarface or UGK or Outkast. But in his era it was TI, Lil' Wayne and Young Geezy and I'd easily put TI over those guys. In his time, he was King of the South. I mean that's not saying he's a great rapper all time, but the best in his region during his time.
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eminem
eminem and eminem
the only barriers he broke was first white rapper to gain acceptance and first rapper to rap so frequently about drugs and weiner.
his shit never sounded that original to me because i grew up off kool g rap and masta ace DITC etc...if nas or lord finesse or someone said that shit it would have either been over looked or censored. im not saying hes not good but hes not better then master ace or kool g rap. hes not better then nas or any of the niggas he got inspired by.
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eminem
eminem and eminem
the only barriers he broke was first white rapper to gain acceptance and first rapper to rap so frequently about drugs and weiner.
his shit never sounded that original to me because i grew up off kool g rap and masta ace DITC etc...if nas or lord finesse or someone said that shit it would have either been over looked or censored. im not saying hes not good but hes not better then master ace or kool g rap. hes not better then nas or any of the niggas he got inspired by.
but lyrically, eminem in his prime could stand toe-to-toe with anyone, which is why he's not overrated
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joe budden is a great one too...never really got what people saw in him. i mean, if peeps said he was good or above average, fine. but u got cats who swear by him like he a hip-hop great, which he's FAR from.
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eminem
eminem and eminem
the only barriers he broke was first white rapper to gain acceptance and first rapper to rap so frequently about drugs and weiner.
his shit never sounded that original to me because i grew up off kool g rap and masta ace DITC etc...if nas or lord finesse or someone said that shit it would have either been over looked or censored. im not saying hes not good but hes not better then master ace or kool g rap. hes not better then nas or any of the niggas he got inspired by.
but lyrically, eminem in his prime could stand toe-to-toe with anyone, which is why he's not overrated
let me tell you why thats bullshit.
he was only in his lyrical prime for his first 2 albums....although i really love relapse but i think i only love it because most of his fans hate it.
eminems like 40 something years old right? his best days on the mic sadly happened before he got signed...
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See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
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eminem almost signed with duck down records...if that happened he would be on sean ps level MAYBE.
they put that fucking machine behind him. hes a great fucking rapper...elite even but hes not better then alot of cats that have been overlooked for years.
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See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
good point...you would have to put Nelly up there in terms of his success and him never being that good...probably Ja Rule as well
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eminem
eminem and eminem
the only barriers he broke was first white rapper to gain acceptance and first rapper to rap so frequently about drugs and weiner.
his shit never sounded that original to me because i grew up off kool g rap and masta ace DITC etc...if nas or lord finesse or someone said that shit it would have either been over looked or censored. im not saying hes not good but hes not better then master ace or kool g rap. hes not better then nas or any of the niggas he got inspired by.
but lyrically, eminem in his prime could stand toe-to-toe with anyone, which is why he's not overrated
let me tell you why thats bullshit.
he was only in his lyrical prime for his first 2 albums....although i really love relapse but i think i only love it because most of his fans hate it.
eminems like 40 something years old right? his best days on the mic sadly happened before he got signed...
Naah, everything he did from Infinite up until Eminem show was lyrically great.. He started slippin with Encore and only completely fell of with Recovery. But his prime, I'd say, was around the time 8 Mile dropped
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See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
good point...you would have to put Nelly up there in terms of his success and him never being that good...probably Ja Rule as well
Oh, that's true. But I never hear anyone put Ja and Nelly in any GOAT ranking. The ones I listed, I hear GOAT or legend next to their names. Lil' Wayne is not top 20, Lil' Kim MAYBE is top 5 female but not GOAT female like everyone thinks, and Dre and Eazy never wrote their rhymes so it's hard for me to call them legend. BUT Ja and Nelly, in their times were commercial, so I have a hard time saying they are overrated because no one ever called them GOAT of anything. Still, I'd say they are highly overrated rappers in general, never really good and were products of the Bling Era of Hip-Hop when just about anything sold.
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See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
good point...you would have to put Nelly up there in terms of his success and him never being that good...probably Ja Rule as well
Oh, that's true. But I never hear anyone put Ja and Nelly in any GOAT ranking. The ones I listed, I hear GOAT or legend next to their names. Lil' Wayne is not top 20, Lil' Kim MAYBE is top 5 female but not GOAT female like everyone thinks, and Dre and Eazy never wrote their rhymes so it's hard for me to call them legend. BUT Ja and Nelly, in their times were commercial, so I have a hard time saying they are overrated because no one ever called them GOAT of anything. Still, I'd say they are highly overrated rappers in general, never really good and were products of the Bling Era of Hip-Hop when just about anything sold.
eazy e not a legend and didn't write rhymes ? check it's on and str.8 off the streetz of compton he also wrote on zaggin4efil.
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See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
good point...you would have to put Nelly up there in terms of his success and him never being that good...probably Ja Rule as well
Oh, that's true. But I never hear anyone put Ja and Nelly in any GOAT ranking. The ones I listed, I hear GOAT or legend next to their names. Lil' Wayne is not top 20, Lil' Kim MAYBE is top 5 female but not GOAT female like everyone thinks, and Dre and Eazy never wrote their rhymes so it's hard for me to call them legend. BUT Ja and Nelly, in their times were commercial, so I have a hard time saying they are overrated because no one ever called them GOAT of anything. Still, I'd say they are highly overrated rappers in general, never really good and were products of the Bling Era of Hip-Hop when just about anything sold.
eazy e not a legend and didn't write rhymes ? check it's on and str.8 off the streetz of compton he also wrote on zaggin4efil.
http://www.discogs.com/Eazy-E-Str8-Off-Tha-Streetz-Of-Muthaphukkin-Compton/release/873783
5 out of 13 songs were written by Eazy. And not his strong songs on this album.
I own all Eazy E albums and all N.W.A. albums. If there is one thing I know, it's Eazy E. Never said I didn't like Eazy or Dre, but I wouldn't call them rap legends. A great businessman and great producer, yes. Rappers, no.
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See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
i'll take it a step further and say eminem 1996-2002 was a beast and nobody was touching him
even though i only liked about half of the eminem show the half i loved show he still had it ("jesus, i don't believe this, bitch works at the cleaners, bringing me home diseases, swinging from Obie's penis" lmao)
and infinite was lyrical gold....but a few of the beats were bland.
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See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
good point...you would have to put Nelly up there in terms of his success and him never being that good...probably Ja Rule as well
Oh, that's true. But I never hear anyone put Ja and Nelly in any GOAT ranking. The ones I listed, I hear GOAT or legend next to their names. Lil' Wayne is not top 20, Lil' Kim MAYBE is top 5 female but not GOAT female like everyone thinks, and Dre and Eazy never wrote their rhymes so it's hard for me to call them legend. BUT Ja and Nelly, in their times were commercial, so I have a hard time saying they are overrated because no one ever called them GOAT of anything. Still, I'd say they are highly overrated rappers in general, never really good and were products of the Bling Era of Hip-Hop when just about anything sold.
eazy e not a legend and didn't write rhymes ? check it's on and str.8 off the streetz of compton he also wrote on zaggin4efil.
http://www.discogs.com/Eazy-E-Str8-Off-Tha-Streetz-Of-Muthaphukkin-Compton/release/873783
5 out of 13 songs were written by Eazy. And not his strong songs on this album.
I own all Eazy E albums and all N.W.A. albums. If there is one thing I know, it's Eazy E. Never said I didn't like Eazy or Dre, but I wouldn't call them rap legends. A great businessman and great producer, yes. Rappers, no.
eazy wrote on every song on the streetz except for 4 if there's one thing i know it's eazy e. eazy laid the foundation for the west coast as you and i both know it. how is he not a legend ?
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Eazy wrote a lot of his stuff post Cube/DOC didn't he?
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Eazy wrote a lot of his stuff post Cube/DOC didn't he?
yeah he wrote a lot.
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the only barriers he broke was first white rapper to gain acceptance and first rapper to rap so frequently about drugs and weiner.
his shit never sounded that original to me because i grew up off kool g rap and masta ace DITC etc...if nas or lord finesse or someone said that shit it would have either been over looked or censored. im not saying hes not good but hes not better then master ace or kool g rap. hes not better then nas or any of the niggas he got inspired by.
This. You had alot of rappers who spit crazy shit that got overlooked but then the white dude comes along n says it n its exaggerrated n blown up.
See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
BS. Black Thought from the Roots been one of the best lyricists since 89-90 n still as good as he was then. Cormega been dope since he first came out n probably better now. Common been dope since early 90s, Raekwon, Pharaohe Monch, AZ, Talib Kweli. OC all still rappin at the level they was when they first came out. If a rapper only has a run of 3-5 years of hot music but people call them one of the greats theyre the perfect example of bein overrated.
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the only barriers he broke was first white rapper to gain acceptance and first rapper to rap so frequently about drugs and weiner.
his shit never sounded that original to me because i grew up off kool g rap and masta ace DITC etc...if nas or lord finesse or someone said that shit it would have either been over looked or censored. im not saying hes not good but hes not better then master ace or kool g rap. hes not better then nas or any of the niggas he got inspired by.
This. You had alot of rappers who spit crazy shit that got overlooked but then the white dude comes along n says it n its exaggerrated n blown up.
See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
BS. Black Thought from the Roots been one of the best lyricists since 89-90 n still as good as he was then. Cormega been dope since he first came out n probably better now. Common been dope since early 90s, Raekwon, Pharaohe Monch, AZ, Talib Kweli. OC all still rappin at the level they was when they first came out. If a rapper only has a run of 3-5 years of hot music but people call them one of the greats theyre the perfect example of bein overrated.
black thought > em
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Shit all those guys I named > Em
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Shit all those guys I named > Em
none of them ever made an album as dope as the Slim Shady LP though
same reason I won't ever call Snoop the most over rated rapper without stipulating Snoop post-death row....cuz Snoop dropped Doggystyle and that's a top 5 album ever.
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the only barriers he broke was first white rapper to gain acceptance and first rapper to rap so frequently about drugs and weiner.
his shit never sounded that original to me because i grew up off kool g rap and masta ace DITC etc...if nas or lord finesse or someone said that shit it would have either been over looked or censored. im not saying hes not good but hes not better then master ace or kool g rap. hes not better then nas or any of the niggas he got inspired by.
This. You had alot of rappers who spit crazy shit that got overlooked but then the white dude comes along n says it n its exaggerrated n blown up.
See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
BS. Black Thought from the Roots been one of the best lyricists since 89-90 n still as good as he was then. Cormega been dope since he first came out n probably better now. Common been dope since early 90s, Raekwon, Pharaohe Monch, AZ, Talib Kweli. OC all still rappin at the level they was when they first came out. If a rapper only has a run of 3-5 years of hot music but people call them one of the greats theyre the perfect example of bein overrated.
You mistake consistency for greatness. First off, Black Thought has a great run of peak, and the rest was really good. Common in the 90's outshines Common now. Kweli in 2002 shits on Kweli now. But throughout that, they are still consistently good. That does not mean other rappers in their primes were not great, and don't deserves to be called great. It means that there are certain rappers who can perform really well for a long period of time. Eminem for 5 years was great, you can't take that away from him. He's still very consistent now, but not as good. But it is what it is. I judge prime for prime, like Nas 1994-1996, or Snoop 1992-1995. The other stuff just tells me were they rank all time. But if their prime was really high, I look at that over a horrible 10th album that was ghostwritten and never should have came out.
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Shit all those guys I named > Em
none of them ever made an album as dope as the Slim Shady LP though
same reason I won't ever call Snoop the most over rated rapper without stipulating Snoop post-death row....cuz Snoop dropped Doggystyle and that's a top 5 album ever.
they all have dropped albums that were better than the slim shady lp. all of them !!!
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Shit all those guys I named > Em
none of them ever made an album as dope as the Slim Shady LP though
same reason I won't ever call Snoop the most over rated rapper without stipulating Snoop post-death row....cuz Snoop dropped Doggystyle and that's a top 5 album ever.
Cuban Linx > SSLP easy
Not to mention Id include Nas on my list of lyricists who never fell off so dont tell me Illmatic isnt better either. But im not goin off albums. Doggystyle & SSLP were put together by arguably the greatest hip hop producer ever. The guys Im mentionin didnt have that to fall back on yet if they get on a song right now are lyrically as good as they were when they first came out meanwhile Em sounds tired n bored with it like hes goin thru the motions just like Jay n Wayne but when goat status is mentioned you see those three pop up like crazy the others besides Nas get basically no mention. Tome thats bein overrated.
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Shit all those guys I named > Em
none of them ever made an album as dope as the Slim Shady LP though
same reason I won't ever call Snoop the most over rated rapper without stipulating Snoop post-death row....cuz Snoop dropped Doggystyle and that's a top 5 album ever.
they all have dropped albums that were better than the slim shady lp. all of them !!!
lmao i might give you Rae if it wasn't for the fact he needed Ghostface to be featured on every song
Cormega? Nah....not even close. I will say that Cormega IS very consistent though. OC? I love anything DITC related but even Jewelz (his best album) isn't close. and I love that shit. and don't get me started on AZ and how over rated he is.
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I guess another one is T.I. he got some good songs & there's a couple of T.I. albums I like. But overrated as in him thinking he's king of the south. I'm not the only one who feels that its Outkast who's the real kings of the south. Could it be Scarface or UGK? Perhaps, I haven't heard enough of their songs to make judgment on them. He's done some overrated songs like Rubberband Man, you know what it is, & whatever you like....gay song.
I think it's hard to compare TI to anyone in the south not in his era. I'd agree he's not as good as Scarface or UGK or Outkast. But in his era it was TI, Lil' Wayne and Young Geezy and I'd easily put TI over those guys. In his time, he was King of the South. I mean that's not saying he's a great rapper all time, but the best in his region during his time.
Yeah.. definitely a good call on T.I. being one of the most over-rated. After seeing everybody's lists, I think I will refine my list to be...
1. Jay-Z
2. Busta Rhymes
3. T.I.
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Shit all those guys I named > Em
none of them ever made an album as dope as the Slim Shady LP though
same reason I won't ever call Snoop the most over rated rapper without stipulating Snoop post-death row....cuz Snoop dropped Doggystyle and that's a top 5 album ever.
they all have dropped albums that were better than the slim shady lp. all of them !!!
lmao i might give you Rae if it wasn't for the fact he needed Ghostface to be featured on every song
Cormega? Nah....not even close. I will say that Cormega IS very consistent though. OC? I love anything DITC related but even Jewelz (his best album) isn't close. and I love that shit. and don't get me started on AZ and how over rated he is.
jewelz shits on slim shady lp. hands down o.c. was at his best on that album and the beats was fire. the true meaning > slim shady lp
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I guess another one is T.I. he got some good songs & there's a couple of T.I. albums I like. But overrated as in him thinking he's king of the south. I'm not the only one who feels that its Outkast who's the real kings of the south. Could it be Scarface or UGK? Perhaps, I haven't heard enough of their songs to make judgment on them. He's done some overrated songs like Rubberband Man, you know what it is, & whatever you like....gay song.
I think it's hard to compare TI to anyone in the south not in his era. I'd agree he's not as good as Scarface or UGK or Outkast. But in his era it was TI, Lil' Wayne and Young Geezy and I'd easily put TI over those guys. In his time, he was King of the South. I mean that's not saying he's a great rapper all time, but the best in his region during his time.
Yeah.. definitely a good call on T.I. being one of the most over-rated. After seeing everybody's lists, I think I will refine my list to be...
1. Jay-Z
2. Busta Rhymes
3. T.I.
LOL @ t.i. bein' overrated.
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Naah, everything he did from Infinite up until Eminem show was lyrically great.. He started slippin with Encore and only completely fell of with Recovery. But his prime, I'd say, was around the time 8 Mile dropped
Word... That's one hell of a run. I wouldn't add the Infinite album (although it is dope, but he had not fully discovered himself yet), I would say and he would say himself, that his run began with the Slim Shady EP. Then from the Slim Shady EP he actually got better and better. He even said it in an interview upon releasing the Eminem Show. Em said that he had gotten better and better with every album, and that the Eminem Show was his best work, and that the day he couldn't be better than the last time out was the day he would retire. But he went back on that promise when he released Encore which he later admitted was a subpar album, and also admitted Relapse was subpar.
I also agree with Sccit his ultimate prime was 8 Mile, with his magnum opus being, "Lose Yourself". That is the track Em will most be remembered for 100 years from now. "8 Mile Road" was also possibly his greatest song ever, and after that movie and soundtrack told his story to the world, his destiny was fulfilled. No matter what happened after 8 Mile Eminem was going to be one of the all-time greats in rap.
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the only barriers he broke was first white rapper to gain acceptance and first rapper to rap so frequently about drugs and weiner.
his shit never sounded that original to me because i grew up off kool g rap and masta ace DITC etc...if nas or lord finesse or someone said that shit it would have either been over looked or censored. im not saying hes not good but hes not better then master ace or kool g rap. hes not better then nas or any of the niggas he got inspired by.
This. You had alot of rappers who spit crazy shit that got overlooked but then the white dude comes along n says it n its exaggerrated n blown up.
See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
BS. Black Thought from the Roots been one of the best lyricists since 89-90 n still as good as he was then. Cormega been dope since he first came out n probably better now. Common been dope since early 90s, Raekwon, Pharaohe Monch, AZ, Talib Kweli. OC all still rappin at the level they was when they first came out. If a rapper only has a run of 3-5 years of hot music but people call them one of the greats theyre the perfect example of bein overrated.
You mistake consistency for greatness. First off, Black Thought has a great run of peak, and the rest was really good. Common in the 90's outshines Common now. Kweli in 2002 shits on Kweli now. But throughout that, they are still consistently good. That does not mean other rappers in their primes were not great, and don't deserves to be called great. It means that there are certain rappers who can perform really well for a long period of time. Eminem for 5 years was great, you can't take that away from him. He's still very consistent now, but not as good. But it is what it is. I judge prime for prime, like Nas 1994-1996, or Snoop 1992-1995. The other stuff just tells me were they rank all time. But if their prime was really high, I look at that over a horrible 10th album that was ghostwritten and never should have came out.
Im goin off raw lyrical ability I think you kinda basin your ratin off the music as a whole. I agree that Common probably was slightly better in the 90s but Kweli lyrically still the same. I think the reason you think he was better in 02 is the same reason you say Nas was better in 94-96 and Snoop in 92-95 n thats cuz thats when they had their best production. 94-96 Nas was rappin over Premo, Pete Rock even Dre beats. 92-95 Snoop was pretty much exclusively on Dre beats. Kwelis best album was in 02 when Hi Tek laced the whole album. Heres where we disagree tho. I agree those were there best periods musically on the whole but I dont think Kweli or Nas lyrically are any worse then they were then. Theyve retained their skill level. Im not denyin Em wasnt great from he first came out. I had SSLP & MMLP n liked both of em wit MMLP bein my favorite. But Em to me lyrically isnt at the level he was in the late 90s early 00s. He dumbed it down just like Jay did to fit in this new era wit Wayne n the rest of these abc 1st grade vocabulary havin guys thats hot now.
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i've always considered Talib to be a poor man's Mos Def
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i've always considered Talib to be a poor man's Mos Def
Id say Mos is more talented all around. He can rap, sing, shit even act. Toe to toe lyrically tho Kweli got him.
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To hammer home my point about Em n Jay, I remember maybe like 4-5 yrs ago hearin a song on the website hiphopgame with them two, that Cyhi Da Prince kid and some others I cant remember who. Anyways on Jay n Ems verses both of them was talkin about how fans pay no attention to lyrics anymore n how they both stopped puttin effort into their shit because the fans were so dumb as long as they see their names and like the beat theyll bump it anyway. Cant remember the name but it wasnt their song might have been Cyhi or some random Djs mixtape song. Point is since then Ive known neither one of them gives a fuck about the art or culture of hip hop. Im gonna see if I can find it n ill post a link.
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To hammer home my point about Em n Jay, I remember maybe like 4-5 yrs ago hearin a song on the website hiphopgame with them two, that Cyhi Da Prince kid and some others I cant remember who. Anyways on Jay n Ems verses both of them was talkin about how fans pay no attention to lyrics anymore n how they both stopped puttin effort into their shit because the fans were so dumb as long as they see their names and like the beat theyll bump it anyway. Cant remember the name but it wasnt their song might have been Cyhi or some random Djs mixtape song. Point is since then Ive known neither one of them gives a fuck about the art or culture of hip hop. Im gonna see if I can find it n ill post a link.
proof is this is Lil Wayne being one of the most famous rappers ever...his lyrics are pre school and people love him and call him a dope lyricist lol
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To hammer home my point about Em n Jay, I remember maybe like 4-5 yrs ago hearin a song on the website hiphopgame with them two, that Cyhi Da Prince kid and some others I cant remember who. Anyways on Jay n Ems verses both of them was talkin about how fans pay no attention to lyrics anymore n how they both stopped puttin effort into their shit because the fans were so dumb as long as they see their names and like the beat theyll bump it anyway. Cant remember the name but it wasnt their song might have been Cyhi or some random Djs mixtape song. Point is since then Ive known neither one of them gives a fuck about the art or culture of hip hop. Im gonna see if I can find it n ill post a link.
I Wouldn't say neither cares, but it does look like they know how little they have to do to sell. This you take as disrespect, but maybe I've been a fan for to long and just see it as business. Hip-Hop is what goes on in the streets, it's KRS-One freestyling on the block still, it's Immortal Technique giving out free downloads of his album. What Jay and Em do is business. It doesn't make them less Hip-Hop, just means now they ain't what they use to be.
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Or 1. Biggie...If he hadn't died, he would not be thought of in the same light. 2 Albums of material is not enough to cement a legacy as of the best rappers ever. He was good no doubt, but he ain't what he's made out to be with hindsight.
2. Canibus....Now he has dropped some heat (Rip the Jacker) and there is no doubt he can rip shit up when his mind is right, he cannot create a cohesive album and has fallen the fuck off. For someone so hyped up, he never lived up to his promise.
3. TI.....King of the south and all that, I find him to be a singles rapper. He has some great songs, but I usually find only 1 or 2 on each of his albums. He can get lazy a bit, and change pronunciations to make flows work which I find annoying.
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Or 1. Biggie...If he hadn't died, he would not be thought of in the same light. 2 Albums of material is not enough to cement a legacy as of the best rappers ever. He was good no doubt, but he ain't what he's made out to be with hindsight.
2. Canibus....Now he has dropped some heat (Rip the Jacker) and there is no doubt he can rip shit up when his mind is right, he cannot create a cohesive album and has fallen the fuck off. For someone so hyped up, he never lived up to his promise.
3. TI.....King of the south and all that, I find him to be a singles rapper. He has some great songs, but I usually find only 1 or 2 on each of his albums. He can get lazy a bit, and change pronunciations to make flows work which I find annoying.
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Naah, everything he did from Infinite up until Eminem show was lyrically great.. He started slippin with Encore and only completely fell of with Recovery. But his prime, I'd say, was around the time 8 Mile dropped
Word... That's one hell of a run. I wouldn't add the Infinite album (although it is dope, but he had not fully discovered himself yet),
Really? Listen/read some of his verses on there, his compounds/rhyme structures are incredible. Just cause he wasn't on the Slim Shady psycho shit doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked at as excellent material.
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Really? Listen/read some of his verses on there, his compounds/rhyme structures are incredible. Just cause he wasn't on the Slim Shady psycho shit doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked at as excellent material.
Em said that shit himself, so if you want to have your own opinion, that's cool. I love the Infinite album too. I mean, look at my fuckin name I straight jacked that shit from Eminem way back in 1999. But it's obviously inferior to the Slim Shady LP, my sentiments are the same as the man who created it, so how can you argue with that?
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i've always considered Talib to be a poor man's Mos Def
Id say Mos is more talented all around. He can rap, sing, shit even act. Toe to toe lyrically tho Kweli got him.
Mos may be more talented all around, but Talib still has the superior solo album with Train of Thought.
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Really? Listen/read some of his verses on there, his compounds/rhyme structures are incredible. Just cause he wasn't on the Slim Shady psycho shit doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked at as excellent material.
Em said that shit himself, so if you want to have your own opinion, that's cool. I love the Infinite album too. I mean, look at my fuckin name I straight jacked that shit from Eminem way back in 1999. But it's obviously inferior to the Slim Shady LP, my sentiments are the same as the man who created it, so how can you argue with that?
That's fine, my statement still stands. Just cause he hadn't found his hip hop personality or whatever you want to call it doesn't mean it wasn't a great album. I guess for me I prefer the straight hip hop style to a lot of the psychopath shit he spit on his next two albums so it's refreshing to listen to Infinte over his other stuff at times.
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Just ban him.
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Really? Listen/read some of his verses on there, his compounds/rhyme structures are incredible. Just cause he wasn't on the Slim Shady psycho shit doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked at as excellent material.
Em said that shit himself, so if you want to have your own opinion, that's cool. I love the Infinite album too. I mean, look at my fuckin name I straight jacked that shit from Eminem way back in 1999. But it's obviously inferior to the Slim Shady LP, my sentiments are the same as the man who created it, so how can you argue with that?
usually what people think about their own efforts don't mean jackshit though, especially when they're on promo tours and say that their latest album is the best to date....
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Really? Listen/read some of his verses on there, his compounds/rhyme structures are incredible. Just cause he wasn't on the Slim Shady psycho shit doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked at as excellent material.
Em said that shit himself, so if you want to have your own opinion, that's cool. I love the Infinite album too. I mean, look at my fuckin name I straight jacked that shit from Eminem way back in 1999. But it's obviously inferior to the Slim Shady LP, my sentiments are the same as the man who created it, so how can you argue with that?
usually what people think about their own efforts don't mean jackshit though, especially when they're on promo tours and say that their latest album is the best to date....
and it can also be construed as an artist who doesn't want to admit they fell off
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Really? Listen/read some of his verses on there, his compounds/rhyme structures are incredible. Just cause he wasn't on the Slim Shady psycho shit doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked at as excellent material.
Em said that shit himself, so if you want to have your own opinion, that's cool. I love the Infinite album too. I mean, look at my fuckin name I straight jacked that shit from Eminem way back in 1999. But it's obviously inferior to the Slim Shady LP, my sentiments are the same as the man who created it, so how can you argue with that?
usually what people think about their own efforts don't mean jackshit though, especially when they're on promo tours and say that their latest album is the best to date....
Kurupts comments about "Dogg Chit" being on par with "Dogg Food" come to mind.
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Really? Listen/read some of his verses on there, his compounds/rhyme structures are incredible. Just cause he wasn't on the Slim Shady psycho shit doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked at as excellent material.
Em said that shit himself, so if you want to have your own opinion, that's cool. I love the Infinite album too. I mean, look at my fuckin name I straight jacked that shit from Eminem way back in 1999. But it's obviously inferior to the Slim Shady LP, my sentiments are the same as the man who created it, so how can you argue with that?
usually what people think about their own efforts don't mean jackshit though, especially when they're on promo tours and say that their latest album is the best to date....
Kurupts comments about "Dogg Chit" being on par with "Dogg Food" come to mind.
lol how can he say that with a straight face????
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Really? Listen/read some of his verses on there, his compounds/rhyme structures are incredible. Just cause he wasn't on the Slim Shady psycho shit doesn't mean it shouldn't be looked at as excellent material.
Em said that shit himself, so if you want to have your own opinion, that's cool. I love the Infinite album too. I mean, look at my fuckin name I straight jacked that shit from Eminem way back in 1999. But it's obviously inferior to the Slim Shady LP, my sentiments are the same as the man who created it, so how can you argue with that?
usually what people think about their own efforts don't mean jackshit though, especially when they're on promo tours and say that their latest album is the best to date....
this is true...eminem show is not better than mmlp or sslp, no matter what em claimed. it might be a deeper album and more personal to him, but as far as the complete package goes, eminem produced most of eminem show and dre produced most of mmlp and some of sslp.. thats all that needs 2 be said.
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sslp was prolly the closest dude got to a classic.
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SSLP is a classic
only weak cut on there is My Name Is and even that song is okay when you play it in small doses
coulda done without most of the skits though....but the ken keniff call was hilarious
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sslp was prolly the closest dude got to a classic.
his first three are classics to me, eminem show is near classic (could be even argued a classic), encore was solid, relapse was good, recovery was trash.
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sslp was prolly the closest dude got to a classic.
his first three are classics to me, eminem show is near classic (could be even argued a classic), encore was solid, relapse was good, recovery was trash.
Looking back at Encore it wasn't as bad as I thought overall, some nice cuts for sure. The bad tracks really stand out though, I mean, complete trash.
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this is true...eminem show is not better than mmlp or sslp, no matter what em claimed. it might be a deeper album and more personal to him, but as far as the complete package goes, eminem produced most of eminem show and dre produced most of mmlp and some of sslp.. thats all that needs 2 be said.
that statement is not correct though. Dre produced exactly 3 songs on SSLP and exactly 3 songs on Eminem Show. So your Dre argument doesn't work. If you want to say Marshal Mathers LP is better because Dre produced more of it, then fine. You can make that arguement. In fact, Dre said that the MMLP was the closest he ever came to a perfect album. But your arguement doesn't work in regards to SSLP vs. Eminem Show.
Eminem honestly believed Eminem Show was his best album. That wasn't just talk to try to sell the album. He was in a zone at that time, everything he was saying and doing back then from music to interviews was real shit. He hadn't fallen off yet. Once he started falling off then he had to resort to advertisement and publicity, but from 98-2003 everything he did and said was real.
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this is true...eminem show is not better than mmlp or sslp, no matter what em claimed. it might be a deeper album and more personal to him, but as far as the complete package goes, eminem produced most of eminem show and dre produced most of mmlp and some of sslp.. thats all that needs 2 be said.
that statement is not correct though. Dre produced exactly 3 songs on SSLP and exactly 3 songs on Eminem Show. So your Dre argument doesn't work. If you want to say Marshal Mathers LP is better because Dre produced more of it, then fine. You can make that arguement. In fact, Dre said that the MMLP was the closest he ever came to a perfect album. But your arguement doesn't work in regards to SSLP vs. Eminem Show.
Eminem honestly believed Eminem Show was his best album. That wasn't just talk to try to sell the album. He was in a zone at that time, everything he was saying and doing back then from music to interviews was real shit. He hadn't fallen off yet. Once he started falling off then he had to resort to advertisement and publicity, but from 98-2003 everything he did and said was real.
naah, dre only produced 2 songs on eminem show and then the outro...but regardless, i still prefer both sslp and mmlp. as for sslp, the production is still superior to eminem show, bass brothers were seasoned producers and their productions complimented eminem more than anyone not named dre... obviously, mmlp is the best produced of the three. eminem show mighta been eminem's best album as far as spittin real shit...but mmlp was his best as far as production and flow, he was on drugs and goin all out, not givin a fuck...infinite was his most lyrical, his rhyme structures and lyrical abilities were untouchable on that album...sslp was a good combination of deep tracks and the psychopathic, drug addict, don't give a fuck shit.... all those album have their place. other than that, encore and relapse dont measure up to those, and recovery is no good.
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I'm shocked Brian would love Eminem since he tried to steal black culture
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I'm shocked Brian would love Eminem since he tried to steal black culture
I was a fan of Eminem before I even heard one song of his. All it took for me was seeing an article in rap pages (or it could of been Blaze magazine). It was in their "About to Blow" section of summer 1998, it said that Dre had signed a white rapper to Aftermath. That's all I needed to hear.
And to Sccit... Dre produced 3 tracks on Eminem Show. "Business", "Say What You Say" and "My Dads Gone Crazy"
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I'm shocked Brian would love Eminem since he tried to steal black culture
I was a fan of Eminem before I even heard one song of his. All it took for me was seeing an article in rap pages (or it could of been Blaze magazine). It was in their "About to Blow" section of summer 1998, it said that Dre had signed a white rapper to Aftermath. That's all I needed to hear.
And to Sccit... Dre produced 3 tracks on Eminem Show. "Business", "Say What You Say" and "My Dads Gone Crazy"
yea, ur right, forgot about "my dads gone crazy"....but like i said, i still like the production on sslp better. even the dre tracks on sslp were stronger than the dre tracks on eminem show. and like i said, the bass brothers fit eminem better than anyone not named dre, so the production on sslp is superior either way. i see why u like eminem show the most tho.
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^lol, never even knew that was in the guidelines....in that case, the majority of threads on dubcc violate the code of conduct.
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That's why they brought me in to clean this bitch up.
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1. eminem
2. Lil Wayne
3. t.i
Honorable mentions: busta rhymes (aka the Mitch Richmond of rap), kendrick lamar, j cole, lupe
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That's why they brought me in to clean this bitch up.
Then are you going to lock it up?
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I'm shocked Brian would love Eminem since he tried to steal black culture
I was a fan of Eminem before I even heard one song of his. All it took for me was seeing an article in rap pages (or it could of been Blaze magazine). It was in their "About to Blow" section of summer 1998, it said that Dre had signed a white rapper to Aftermath. That's all I needed to hear.
And to Sccit... Dre produced 3 tracks on Eminem Show. "Business", "Say What You Say" and "My Dads Gone Crazy"
but i thought you hate white people
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Or 1. Biggie...If he hadn't died, he would not be thought of in the same light. 2 Albums of material is not enough to cement a legacy as of the best rappers ever. He was good no doubt, but he ain't what he's made out to be with hindsight.
2. Canibus....Now he has dropped some heat (Rip the Jacker) and there is no doubt he can rip shit up when his mind is right, he cannot create a cohesive album and has fallen the fuck off. For someone so hyped up, he never lived up to his promise.
3. TI.....King of the south and all that, I find him to be a singles rapper. He has some great songs, but I usually find only 1 or 2 on each of his albums. He can get lazy a bit, and change pronunciations to make flows work which I find annoying.
LOL
Hey aren't you the dude that's always hollering about respecting your opinion in the Trouble Man thread? Got to give to receive folks. I didn't hate, it was my opinion based on a few observations. I can see you lol'ing if I said TI sucks at rapping....and I wouldn't mind if you did, but don't be a hypocrite.
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Or 1. Biggie...If he hadn't died, he would not be thought of in the same light. 2 Albums of material is not enough to cement a legacy as of the best rappers ever. He was good no doubt, but he ain't what he's made out to be with hindsight.
2. Canibus....Now he has dropped some heat (Rip the Jacker) and there is no doubt he can rip shit up when his mind is right, he cannot create a cohesive album and has fallen the fuck off. For someone so hyped up, he never lived up to his promise.
3. TI.....King of the south and all that, I find him to be a singles rapper. He has some great songs, but I usually find only 1 or 2 on each of his albums. He can get lazy a bit, and change pronunciations to make flows work which I find annoying.
LOL
Hey aren't you the dude that's always hollering about respecting your opinion in the Trouble Man thread? Got to give to receive folks. I didn't hate, it was my opinion based on a few observations. I can see you lol'ing if I said TI sucks at rapping....and I wouldn't mind if you did, but don't be a hypocrite.
i wasn't dissin' u dude it just made me laugh. :laugh: t.i. is underrated imo and he is the king of the south:movies, music, clothing, acting. 12 years and 8 albums...legendary shit. 8) your opinion is your opinion i'm not mad at you bruh !
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i wasn't dissin' u dude it just made me laugh. :laugh: t.i. is underrated imo and he is the king of the south:movies, music, clothing, acting. 12 years and 8 albums...legendary shit. 8) your opinion is your opinion i'm not mad at you bruh !
All good.
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1. Jay Z - Dude makes mediocre albums and has for a while, but because the last one sold a shit ton of copies, the next one will too.
2. Kanye West - Has producer skills, but he pretty much started that fake southern accent/drawl thing in his raps and he should be tarred and feathered for that shit. Oh, and hes also a Gayfish.
3. TI - Whats the difference between him and Ludacris? No really...
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3. TI - Whats the difference between him and Ludacris? No really...
the difference is that ludacris is a better rapper...really, tho, they have 2 completely different styles
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3. TI - Whats the difference between him and Ludacris? No really...
the difference is that ludacris is a better rapper...really, tho, they have 2 completely different styles
hahahaha
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3. TI - Whats the difference between him and Ludacris? No really...
the difference is that ludacris is a better rapper...really, tho, they have 2 completely different styles
yeah i prefer luda over ti all day
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3. TI - Whats the difference between him and Ludacris? No really...
the difference is that ludacris is a better rapper...really, tho, they have 2 completely different styles
hahahaha
??
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3. TI - Whats the difference between him and Ludacris? No really...
the difference is that ludacris is a better rapper...really, tho, they have 2 completely different styles
hahahaha
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luda reminds me of busta.
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3. TI - Whats the difference between him and Ludacris? No really...
the difference is that ludacris is a better rapper...really, tho, they have 2 completely different styles
hahahaha
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luda reminds me of busta.
busta's always been a good rapper...was he great? never. but he had an original style and came out wit a bang. his first few albums were nice...even the one on aftermath was good. he does have a lot of whack shit too, tho.
ludacris is more lyrical than busta...same with ti. it's busta's mic presence that make him what he is. who can deny tracks like these are the shit?
http://www.youtube.com/v/N0uAOa0b4qQ
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3. TI - Whats the difference between him and Ludacris? No really...
the difference is that ludacris is a better rapper...really, tho, they have 2 completely different styles
hahahaha
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luda reminds me of busta.
busta's always been a good rapper...was he great? never. but he had an original style and came out wit a bang. his first few albums were nice...even the one on aftermath was good. he does have a lot of whack shit too, tho.
ludacris is more lyrical than busta...same with ti. it's busta's mic presence that make him what he is. who can deny tracks like these are the shit?
http://www.youtube.com/v/N0uAOa0b4qQ
not that either were bad they both are just so animated.
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i feel ya, but that makes them who they are
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i feel ya, but that makes them who they are
t.i. > luda btw.
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tupac
eminem
lil wayne
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3. TI - Whats the difference between him and Ludacris? No really...
the difference is that ludacris is a better rapper...really, tho, they have 2 completely different styles
hahahaha
Yes they have different styles. But I would argue that they are similarly shitty. Thats the real comparison.
Rappers who took advantage of being from Atlanta. If either dude was from St Paul Minnesota, they wouldnt have ever made it. Especially TI.
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3. TI - Whats the difference between him and Ludacris? No really...
the difference is that ludacris is a better rapper...really, tho, they have 2 completely different styles
hahahaha
Yes they have different styles. But I would argue that they are similarly shitty. Thats the real comparison.
Rappers who took advantage of being from Atlanta. If either dude was from St Paul Minnesota, they wouldnt have ever made it. Especially TI.
LOL
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3. TI - Whats the difference between him and Ludacris? No really...
the difference is that ludacris is a better rapper...really, tho, they have 2 completely different styles
hahahaha
Yes they have different styles. But I would argue that they are similarly shitty. Thats the real comparison.
Rappers who took advantage of being from Atlanta. If either dude was from St Paul Minnesota, they wouldnt have ever made it. Especially TI.
LOL
I know, huh?
I find it hilarious that some methed out snitch has found a path to stardom simply thru where his mom pooped him out (geographically that is).
America truly is the land of opportunity.
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3. TI - Whats the difference between him and Ludacris? No really...
the difference is that ludacris is a better rapper...really, tho, they have 2 completely different styles
hahahaha
Yes they have different styles. But I would argue that they are similarly shitty. Thats the real comparison.
Rappers who took advantage of being from Atlanta. If either dude was from St Paul Minnesota, they wouldnt have ever made it. Especially TI.
LOL
I know, huh?
I find it hilarious that some methed out snitch has found a path to stardom simply thru where his mom pooped him out (geographically that is).
America truly is the land of opportunity.
such hate. his house worth your whole life.
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3. TI - Whats the difference between him and Ludacris? No really...
the difference is that ludacris is a better rapper...really, tho, they have 2 completely different styles
hahahaha
Yes they have different styles. But I would argue that they are similarly shitty. Thats the real comparison.
Rappers who took advantage of being from Atlanta. If either dude was from St Paul Minnesota, they wouldnt have ever made it. Especially TI.
LOL
I know, huh?
I find it hilarious that some methed out snitch has found a path to stardom simply thru where his mom pooped him out (geographically that is).
America truly is the land of opportunity.
such hate. his house worth your whole life.
Ah, so you value material things at the top of the scale when it comes to what matters in life, huh?
Thats very shallow of you. Not very introspective are we..
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3. TI - Whats the difference between him and Ludacris? No really...
the difference is that ludacris is a better rapper...really, tho, they have 2 completely different styles
hahahaha
Yes they have different styles. But I would argue that they are similarly shitty. Thats the real comparison.
Rappers who took advantage of being from Atlanta. If either dude was from St Paul Minnesota, they wouldnt have ever made it. Especially TI.
LOL
I know, huh?
I find it hilarious that some methed out snitch has found a path to stardom simply thru where his mom pooped him out (geographically that is).
America truly is the land of opportunity.
such hate. his house worth your whole life.
Ah, so you value material things at the top of the scale when it comes to what matters in life, huh?
Thats very shallow of you. Not very introspective are we..
material don't matter although it serves it's purpose. but the man's accomplishments overshadows anything negative you got to say about him so...
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3. TI - Whats the difference between him and Ludacris? No really...
the difference is that ludacris is a better rapper...really, tho, they have 2 completely different styles
hahahaha
Yes they have different styles. But I would argue that they are similarly shitty. Thats the real comparison.
Rappers who took advantage of being from Atlanta. If either dude was from St Paul Minnesota, they wouldnt have ever made it. Especially TI.
LOL
I know, huh?
I find it hilarious that some methed out snitch has found a path to stardom simply thru where his mom pooped him out (geographically that is).
America truly is the land of opportunity.
such hate. his house worth your whole life.
Ah, so you value material things at the top of the scale when it comes to what matters in life, huh?
Thats very shallow of you. Not very introspective are we..
material don't matter although it serves it's purpose. but the man's accomplishments overshadows anything negative you got to say about him so...
No. Youre backtracking now. Youve already stated that a house can equal or surpass the worth of someones life. If thats your belief, at least stand by it.
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3. TI - Whats the difference between him and Ludacris? No really...
the difference is that ludacris is a better rapper...really, tho, they have 2 completely different styles
hahahaha
Yes they have different styles. But I would argue that they are similarly shitty. Thats the real comparison.
Rappers who took advantage of being from Atlanta. If either dude was from St Paul Minnesota, they wouldnt have ever made it. Especially TI.
LOL
I know, huh?
I find it hilarious that some methed out snitch has found a path to stardom simply thru where his mom pooped him out (geographically that is).
America truly is the land of opportunity.
such hate. his house worth your whole life.
Ah, so you value material things at the top of the scale when it comes to what matters in life, huh?
Thats very shallow of you. Not very introspective are we..
material don't matter although it serves it's purpose. but the man's accomplishments overshadows anything negative you got to say about him so...
No. Youre backtracking now. Youve already stated that a house can equal or surpass the worth of someones life. If thats your belief, at least stand by it.
i quoted one of his lyrics and i stand by it as i said it in reference to you.
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1. Jay-Z: Maybe I missed something (even though I've heard all of his albums), but Jay is the archetypal rapper that is called the greatest because HE says it all the time. Other things which piss me off about him is A: His whispering on songs, B: Being one of the first rappers to introduce the 'swagger' style of rapping and C: Not rhyming within the normal structure of the song! People stick up for that but it's bullshit; the basics of rap should be rhythm, flow, lyrics, and he has none in my opinion. He's no poet.
2. Notorious B.I.G.: First off, he could flow and rap better than most rappers, but god damn, he wasn't the best to ever do it. He dropped one album in 1994, and he's labelled 'King Of New York'?!? That would mean Snoop Doggy Dogg was the 'King Of California' but you never hear that (even though B.I.G. & Puff intentionally tried to make an album to rival 'Doggystyle' but to me, 'Ready To Die' was NOWHERE close to it). Also, he was a snake in the 2pac situation, no wonder he kept his mouth shut when 'Pac went at him, guilty people who are found out are never able to say anything.
This is a hard one, (because I've got so many in mind) but
3. Busta Ryhmes: A prime example of a rapper who will do anything to try and stay relevant (somewhat like Snoop is nowadays, but Busta never gets called out on it). When he first came out with his solo album, he's wearing shiny suits, shouting 'Whoo Hah!', pulling stupid faces for the cameras and basically, screaming at the top of his voice on every song. He's made some of the most unlistenable music in rap outside of Southern hip hop. Do people really get amped to him shouting like an asshole on songs? And now he's signed to Cash Money Records and rapping fast on with no substance whatsoever.
Maybe there should be a topic for most overrated producer.
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1. Jay-Z: Maybe I missed something (even though I've heard all of his albums), but Jay is the archetypal rapper that is called the greatest because HE says it all the time. Other things which piss me off about him is A: His whispering on songs, B: Being one of the first rappers to introduce the 'swagger' style of rapping and C: Not rhyming within the normal structure of the song! People stick up for that but it's bullshit; the basics of rap should be rhythm, flow, lyrics, and he has none in my opinion. He's no poet.
2. Notorious B.I.G.: First off, he could flow and rap better than most rappers, but god damn, he wasn't the best to ever do it. He dropped one album in 1994, and he's labelled 'King Of New York'?!? That would mean Snoop Doggy Dogg was the 'King Of California' but you never hear that (even though B.I.G. & Puff intentionally tried to make an album to rival 'Doggystyle' but to me, 'Ready To Die' was NOWHERE close to it). Also, he was a snake in the 2pac situation, no wonder he kept his mouth shut when 'Pac went at him, guilty people who are found out are never able to say anything.
This is a hard one, (because I've got so many in mind) but
3. Busta Ryhmes: A prime example of a rapper who will do anything to try and stay relevant (somewhat like Snoop is nowadays, but Busta never gets called out on it). When he first came out with his solo album, he's wearing shiny suits, shouting 'Whoo Hah!', pulling stupid faces for the cameras and basically, screaming at the top of his voice on every song. He's made some of the most unlistenable music in rap outside of Southern hip hop. Do people really get amped to him shouting like an asshole on songs? And now he's signed to Cash Money Records and rapping fast on with no substance whatsoever.
Maybe there should be a topic for most overrated producer.
PREACH!
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1. Jay-Z: Maybe I missed something (even though I've heard all of his albums), but Jay is the archetypal rapper that is called the greatest because HE says it all the time. Other things which piss me off about him is A: His whispering on songs, B: Being one of the first rappers to introduce the 'swagger' style of rapping and C: Not rhyming within the normal structure of the song! People stick up for that but it's bullshit; the basics of rap should be rhythm, flow, lyrics, and he has none in my opinion. He's no poet.
2. Notorious B.I.G.: First off, he could flow and rap better than most rappers, but god damn, he wasn't the best to ever do it. He dropped one album in 1994, and he's labelled 'King Of New York'?!? That would mean Snoop Doggy Dogg was the 'King Of California' but you never hear that (even though B.I.G. & Puff intentionally tried to make an album to rival 'Doggystyle' but to me, 'Ready To Die' was NOWHERE close to it). Also, he was a snake in the 2pac situation, no wonder he kept his mouth shut when 'Pac went at him, guilty people who are found out are never able to say anything.
This is a hard one, (because I've got so many in mind) but
3. Busta Ryhmes: A prime example of a rapper who will do anything to try and stay relevant (somewhat like Snoop is nowadays, but Busta never gets called out on it). When he first came out with his solo album, he's wearing shiny suits, shouting 'Whoo Hah!', pulling stupid faces for the cameras and basically, screaming at the top of his voice on every song. He's made some of the most unlistenable music in rap outside of Southern hip hop. Do people really get amped to him shouting like an asshole on songs? And now he's signed to Cash Money Records and rapping fast on with no substance whatsoever.
Maybe there should be a topic for most overrated producer.
biggie brought the east coast back wit ready to die.
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"Ready To Die" is up there with "Doggystyle" IMO...plus LAD was better than "Doggfather", so Biggie was just as good as Snoop while he was alive
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"Ready To Die" is up there with "Doggystyle" IMO...plus LAD was better than "Doggfather", so Biggie was just as good as Snoop while he was alive
preach.
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"Ready To Die" is up there with "Doggystyle" IMO...plus LAD was better than "Doggfather", so Biggie was just as good as Snoop while he was alive
I only quoted Snoop vs. B.I.G. because of debut albums. The more pertinent question is:
2Pac - Me Against The World + All Eyez On Me vs. Notorious B.I.G. - Ready To Die + Life After Death.
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"Ready To Die" is up there with "Doggystyle" IMO...plus LAD was better than "Doggfather", so Biggie was just as good as Snoop while he was alive
I only quoted Snoop vs. B.I.G. because of debut albums. The more pertinent question is:
2Pac - Me Against The World + All Eyez On Me vs. Notorious B.I.G. - Ready To Die + Life After Death.
Ready To Die + Life After Death
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kendrick lamar
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kendrick lamar
i agree with this one, too...he's a good rapper, but he's no GOAT like he's bein made out to be.
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Yeah Kendrick is top 5 - top 10 overrated. Still cant get over people comparin his debut to Illmatic. Shows the difference between the people who heard Illmatic when it first dropped n the ones who listened to it in the 00s n just say its dope cuz everyone else does.
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kendrick lamar
i agree with this one, too...he's a good rapper, but he's no GOAT like he's bein made out to be.
Yeah, I hate to say it cause dude's a breath of fresh air in terms of bringing something different to the table, but people are putting him too high up.
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Kendrick has the same problem as TI. For his time and for his region, yes he deserves the praise. But dude ain't an all-time great. At least with Kendrick, you can say not yet. Let him get some albums under his belt and some consistency. As for TI, dude was the best in the south from 2006-2009 when he got that gun charge. He had a great run, but that run don't make him a top 10, or top 25, or even top 50 rapper. (though I personally put him in the top 50, but looks like many don't) But best in the south from 2006-2009 ain't exactly saying much. Right now, Kendrick is the best in the west, but that's not saying much.
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This thread is in direct violation of the Dubcc forum rules.
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This thread is stupid because even Tupac & Biggie have been called overrated. Anyone whose on top is "overrated".
Now because NIK is mad Kendrick doesn't sound like Eazy-E, he's "overrated", even though his random freestyles are lyrically twenty lightyears ahead of Eazy.
Eminem's "overrated" despite SSLP, MMLP & The Eminem Show being three albums I'd put toe to toe with almost any album that's come out in the last decade.
Jay-Z is hands down a top ten artist of all-time, but he's overrated because these West Coast kids don't fuck with his recent mainstream sound.
An overrated rapper is someone like Lil' Wayne, Drake, Big Sean or a handful of rappers from recent memory who have pretty much accomplished nothing but get praise like they have.
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An overrated rapper is someone like Lil' Wayne, Drake, Big Sean or a handful of rappers from recent memory who have pretty much accomplished nothing but get praise like they have.
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Now because NIK is mad Kendrick doesn't sound like Eazy-E, he's "overrated", even though his random freestyles are lyrically twenty lightyears ahead of Eazy.
I've defended Kendrick a lot on here, he's one of my favorite rappers currently, just the fact that people are already comparing GKMC to Illmatic is crazy. The fact that he's already being proclaimed as one of the greatest ever leads me to say he's overrated. When all is said and done we can talk but everytime someone new and exciting comes along people are ready to call them king, just give it some time (and again that's speaking as a huge fan).
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Now because NIK is mad Kendrick doesn't sound like Eazy-E, he's "overrated", even though his random freestyles are lyrically twenty lightyears ahead of Eazy.
I've defended Kendrick a lot on here, he's one of my favorite rappers currently, just the fact that people are already comparing GKMC to Illmatic is crazy. The fact that he's already being proclaimed as one of the greatest ever leads me to say he's overrated. When all is said and done we can talk but everytime someone new and exciting comes along people are ready to call them king, just give it some time (and again that's speaking as a huge fan).
8)
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Though there as that moment when Snoop and Game passed him the torch. I am all for saying he's the King of the West, the King should not be anywhere close to 40 years old, let along over 40, and doing reggae albums.
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Though there as that moment when Snoop and Game passed him the torch. I am all for saying he's the King of the West, the King should not be anywhere close to 40 years old, let along over 40, and doing reggae albums.
eazy e will always be king of the coast without him snoop or kendrick wouldn't be here.
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Though there as that moment when Snoop and Game passed him the torch. I am all for saying he's the King of the West, the King should not be anywhere close to 40 years old, let along over 40, and doing reggae albums.
eazy e will always be king of the coast without him snoop or kendrick wouldn't be here.
And the King should be alive. LOL.
Actually I'd say Ice Cube is the overall king, without Cube there is no Eazy.
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Though there as that moment when Snoop and Game passed him the torch. I am all for saying he's the King of the West, the King should not be anywhere close to 40 years old, let along over 40, and doing reggae albums.
eazy e will always be king of the coast without him snoop or kendrick wouldn't be here.
And the King should be alive. LOL.
Actually I'd say Ice Cube is the overall king, without Cube there is no Eazy.
LOL shit if it wasn't for eazy e ice cube would be a architech right now.
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Though there as that moment when Snoop and Game passed him the torch. I am all for saying he's the King of the West, the King should not be anywhere close to 40 years old, let along over 40, and doing reggae albums.
eazy e will always be king of the coast without him snoop or kendrick wouldn't be here.
And the King should be alive. LOL.
Actually I'd say Ice Cube is the overall king, without Cube there is no Eazy.
LOL shit if it wasn't for eazy e ice cube would be a architech right now.
Nah, Cube wrote the lyrics, without Cube, Eazy never gets in the booth all night with Dre, Cube writes lyrics for CIA and Cube maybe an architech and we might be calling Ice T king.
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Though there as that moment when Snoop and Game passed him the torch. I am all for saying he's the King of the West, the King should not be anywhere close to 40 years old, let along over 40, and doing reggae albums.
eazy e will always be king of the coast without him snoop or kendrick wouldn't be here.
And the King should be alive. LOL.
Actually I'd say Ice Cube is the overall king, without Cube there is no Eazy.
LOL shit if it wasn't for eazy e ice cube would be a architech right now.
Nah, Cube wrote the lyrics, without Cube, Eazy never gets in the booth all night with Dre, Cube writes lyrics for CIA and Cube maybe an architech and we might be calling Ice T king.
i'll give cube his props he did write boyz n the hood and a couple other joints for eazy but that's where it stops for me. eazy was gonna make it wit or without cube.
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Though there as that moment when Snoop and Game passed him the torch. I am all for saying he's the King of the West, the King should not be anywhere close to 40 years old, let along over 40, and doing reggae albums.
eazy e will always be king of the coast without him snoop or kendrick wouldn't be here.
And the King should be alive. LOL.
Actually I'd say Ice Cube is the overall king, without Cube there is no Eazy.
LOL shit if it wasn't for eazy e ice cube would be a architech right now.
Nah, Cube wrote the lyrics, without Cube, Eazy never gets in the booth all night with Dre, Cube writes lyrics for CIA and Cube maybe an architech and we might be calling Ice T king.
i'll give cube his props he did write boyz n the hood and a couple other joints for eazy but that's where it stops for me. eazy was gonna make it wit or without cube.
I don't know, first Eazy didn't want to be a main act, Dre suggested it because of his voice. Then Dre of all people had to coach him on how to rap, and then he had Cube and DOC teach him how to write. Eazy was in the middle of the perfect storm.
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Though there as that moment when Snoop and Game passed him the torch. I am all for saying he's the King of the West, the King should not be anywhere close to 40 years old, let along over 40, and doing reggae albums.
eazy e will always be king of the coast without him snoop or kendrick wouldn't be here.
And the King should be alive. LOL.
Actually I'd say Ice Cube is the overall king, without Cube there is no Eazy.
LOL shit if it wasn't for eazy e ice cube would be a architech right now.
Nah, Cube wrote the lyrics, without Cube, Eazy never gets in the booth all night with Dre, Cube writes lyrics for CIA and Cube maybe an architech and we might be calling Ice T king.
i'll give cube his props he did write boyz n the hood and a couple other joints for eazy but that's where it stops for me. eazy was gonna make it wit or without cube.
I don't know, first Eazy didn't want to be a main act, Dre suggested it because of his voice. Then Dre of all people had to coach him on how to rap, and then he had Cube and DOC teach him how to write. Eazy was in the middle of the perfect storm.
that's true. he learned how to write from the best.
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Now because NIK is mad Kendrick doesn't sound like Eazy-E, he's "overrated", even though his random freestyles are lyrically twenty lightyears ahead of Eazy.
I've defended Kendrick a lot on here, he's one of my favorite rappers currently, just the fact that people are already comparing GKMC to Illmatic is crazy. The fact that he's already being proclaimed as one of the greatest ever leads me to say he's overrated. When all is said and done we can talk but everytime someone new and exciting comes along people are ready to call them king, just give it some time (and again that's speaking as a huge fan).
Yeah, but whose saying shit like that? A dumbass like Radiotube or Brian? Can't let one idiot formulate your opinion. All I know of Kendrick is that between Section .80 & Good Kid M.A.A.D City, he's a great rapper. He shouldn't be considered "overrated". Big Sean being considered a "great rapper" in the the same class as anyone with skill is a proper way to call someone "overrated".
It's kind of like people compare Kobe to Jordan. I don't think Kobe is "overrated" because of that comparison when Jordan is obviously miles ahead of that kid. But if a large group of people considered Monta Ellis to be in Jordan's class, I'd say Monta's overrated lol.
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Big Sean being considered a "great rapper"
Hold up....you don't think his chorus on Ass was lyrical?
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See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
good point...you would have to put Nelly up there in terms of his success and him never being that good...probably Ja Rule as well
Oh, that's true. But I never hear anyone put Ja and Nelly in any GOAT ranking. The ones I listed, I hear GOAT or legend next to their names. Lil' Wayne is not top 20, Lil' Kim MAYBE is top 5 female but not GOAT female like everyone thinks, and Dre and Eazy never wrote their rhymes so it's hard for me to call them legend. BUT Ja and Nelly, in their times were commercial, so I have a hard time saying they are overrated because no one ever called them GOAT of anything. Still, I'd say they are highly overrated rappers in general, never really good and were products of the Bling Era of Hip-Hop when just about anything sold.
eazy e not a legend and didn't write rhymes ? check it's on and str.8 off the streetz of compton he also wrote on zaggin4efil.
http://www.discogs.com/Eazy-E-Str8-Off-Tha-Streetz-Of-Muthaphukkin-Compton/release/873783
5 out of 13 songs were written by Eazy. And not his strong songs on this album.
I own all Eazy E albums and all N.W.A. albums. If there is one thing I know, it's Eazy E. Never said I didn't like Eazy or Dre, but I wouldn't call them rap legends. A great businessman and great producer, yes. Rappers, no.
no, you can call Eazy-E & Dr. dre rap legends but you can not call them hip hop legends . yes, eazy-e & dr dre were rappers not mc's .
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See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
i'll take it a step further and say eminem 1996-2002 was a beast and nobody was touching him
even though i only liked about half of the eminem show the half i loved show he still had it ("jesus, i don't believe this, bitch works at the cleaners, bringing me home diseases, swinging from Obie's penis" lmao)
and infinite was lyrical gold....but a few of the beats were bland.
1996? eminem was not even around or known in 1996 . Eminem was not known till 1998 .
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Shit all those guys I named > Em
none of them ever made an album as dope as the Slim Shady LP though
same reason I won't ever call Snoop the most over rated rapper without stipulating Snoop post-death row....cuz Snoop dropped Doggystyle and that's a top 5 album ever.
slim shady LP is way overratted . the Slim shady Lp was not that dope . beats & rhymes were not all that . marshall mathers Lp was better then slim shady lp. Raekwon,Talib kweli, & AZ all made better albums then Slim shady Lp. i still hate the first single aka my name is off the Slim shady Lp.
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biggie
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See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
good point...you would have to put Nelly up there in terms of his success and him never being that good...probably Ja Rule as well
Oh, that's true. But I never hear anyone put Ja and Nelly in any GOAT ranking. The ones I listed, I hear GOAT or legend next to their names. Lil' Wayne is not top 20, Lil' Kim MAYBE is top 5 female but not GOAT female like everyone thinks, and Dre and Eazy never wrote their rhymes so it's hard for me to call them legend. BUT Ja and Nelly, in their times were commercial, so I have a hard time saying they are overrated because no one ever called them GOAT of anything. Still, I'd say they are highly overrated rappers in general, never really good and were products of the Bling Era of Hip-Hop when just about anything sold.
eazy e not a legend and didn't write rhymes ? check it's on and str.8 off the streetz of compton he also wrote on zaggin4efil.
http://www.discogs.com/Eazy-E-Str8-Off-Tha-Streetz-Of-Muthaphukkin-Compton/release/873783
5 out of 13 songs were written by Eazy. And not his strong songs on this album.
I own all Eazy E albums and all N.W.A. albums. If there is one thing I know, it's Eazy E. Never said I didn't like Eazy or Dre, but I wouldn't call them rap legends. A great businessman and great producer, yes. Rappers, no.
no, you can call Eazy-E & Dr. dre rap legends but you can not call them hip hop legends . yes, eazy-e & dr dre were rappers not mc's .
eazy e is a hip hop legend and is important to the culture as anyone else in hip hop yesterday, today, & tomorrow.
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See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
i'll take it a step further and say eminem 1996-2002 was a beast and nobody was touching him
even though i only liked about half of the eminem show the half i loved show he still had it ("jesus, i don't believe this, bitch works at the cleaners, bringing me home diseases, swinging from Obie's penis" lmao)
and infinite was lyrical gold....but a few of the beats were bland.
1996? eminem was not even around or known in 1996 . Eminem was not known till 1998 .
his debut album was from 96
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Now because NIK is mad Kendrick doesn't sound like Eazy-E, he's "overrated", even though his random freestyles are lyrically twenty lightyears ahead of Eazy.
I've defended Kendrick a lot on here, he's one of my favorite rappers currently, just the fact that people are already comparing GKMC to Illmatic is crazy. The fact that he's already being proclaimed as one of the greatest ever leads me to say he's overrated. When all is said and done we can talk but everytime someone new and exciting comes along people are ready to call them king, just give it some time (and again that's speaking as a huge fan).
Yeah, but whose saying shit like that? A dumbass like Radiotube or Brian? Can't let one idiot formulate your opinion. All I know of Kendrick is that between Section .80 & Good Kid M.A.A.D City, he's a great rapper. He shouldn't be considered "overrated". Big Sean being considered a "great rapper" in the the same class as anyone with skill is a proper way to call someone "overrated".
It's kind of like people compare Kobe to Jordan. I don't think Kobe is "overrated" because of that comparison when Jordan is obviously miles ahead of that kid. But if a large group of people considered Monta Ellis to be in Jordan's class, I'd say Monta's overrated lol.
kendrick is not kobe....he's like dion waiters getting treated like kobe right about now.
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Well if he's "Dion Waiters" in your mind then he's obviously underrated.
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See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
i'll take it a step further and say eminem 1996-2002 was a beast and nobody was touching him
even though i only liked about half of the eminem show the half i loved show he still had it ("jesus, i don't believe this, bitch works at the cleaners, bringing me home diseases, swinging from Obie's penis" lmao)
and infinite was lyrical gold....but a few of the beats were bland.
1996? eminem was not even around or known in 1996 . Eminem was not known till 1998 .
his debut album was from 96
Infinite does not count as Eminem real debut . no one knew who was & no one could really get that album . Infinite is like kendricks E.p. OR section 80. eminem slim shady lp is debut just like kendrick lamars debut is good kid m.A.A.d city. unlike kendrick e.p or section 80 that you could get easily off the internet you could not get Infinite that easy even in 1996.
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See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
i'll take it a step further and say eminem 1996-2002 was a beast and nobody was touching him
even though i only liked about half of the eminem show the half i loved show he still had it ("jesus, i don't believe this, bitch works at the cleaners, bringing me home diseases, swinging from Obie's penis" lmao)
and infinite was lyrical gold....but a few of the beats were bland.
1996? eminem was not even around or known in 1996 . Eminem was not known till 1998 .
his debut album was from 96
Infinite does not count as Eminem real debut . no one knew who was & no one could really get that album . Infinite is like kendricks E.p. OR section 80. eminem slim shady lp is debut just like kendrick lamars debut is good kid m.A.A.d city. unlike kendrick e.p or section 80 that you could get easily off the internet you could not get Infinite that easy even in 1996.
Sure, but to say he was "not around" is false.
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See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
i'll take it a step further and say eminem 1996-2002 was a beast and nobody was touching him
even though i only liked about half of the eminem show the half i loved show he still had it ("jesus, i don't believe this, bitch works at the cleaners, bringing me home diseases, swinging from Obie's penis" lmao)
and infinite was lyrical gold....but a few of the beats were bland.
1996? eminem was not even around or known in 1996 . Eminem was not known till 1998 .
his debut album was from 96
Infinite does not count as Eminem real debut . no one knew who was & no one could really get that album . Infinite is like kendricks E.p. OR section 80. eminem slim shady lp is debut just like kendrick lamars debut is good kid m.A.A.d city. unlike kendrick e.p or section 80 that you could get easily off the internet you could not get Infinite that easy even in 1996.
Sure, but to say he was "not around" is false.
no it is not when he was not herd or seen in 1996 on any real hip hop shows or radio . eminem was so underground in 1996 that he wass more underground then the underground hip hop of 1996.
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Eazy-E the most overrated rapper of all time ::)
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Well if he's "Dion Waiters" in your mind then he's obviously underrated.
why? Dion is a good rookie with a high ceiling and nice potential. exactly like Kendrick.. he's shown flashes of excellence, but has yet to accomplish enough to rank him with the greats. it's a great comparison. as of today, he's nowhere near Kobe (2Pac), Bird (Eminem), Shaq (Biggie), or Jordan (Rakim).
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See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
i'll take it a step further and say eminem 1996-2002 was a beast and nobody was touching him
even though i only liked about half of the eminem show the half i loved show he still had it ("jesus, i don't believe this, bitch works at the cleaners, bringing me home diseases, swinging from Obie's penis" lmao)
and infinite was lyrical gold....but a few of the beats were bland.
1996? eminem was not even around or known in 1996 . Eminem was not known till 1998 .
his debut album was from 96
Infinite does not count as Eminem real debut . no one knew who was & no one could really get that album . Infinite is like kendricks E.p. OR section 80. eminem slim shady lp is debut just like kendrick lamars debut is good kid m.A.A.d city. unlike kendrick e.p or section 80 that you could get easily off the internet you could not get Infinite that easy even in 1996.
Sure, but to say he was "not around" is false.
no it is not when he was not herd or seen in 1996 on any real hip hop shows or radio . eminem was so underground in 1996 that he wass more underground then the underground hip hop of 1996.
doesnt matter, his original statement was that no one was fuckin with eminem lyrically at that time...doesnt matter how big he was, as an emcee, he came out the gates beastin.
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Busty Rhymes
Jay-Z
Jeezy
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This thread is stupid because even Tupac & Biggie have been called overrated. Anyone whose on top is "overrated".
Now because NIK is mad Kendrick doesn't sound like Eazy-E, he's "overrated", even though his random freestyles are lyrically twenty lightyears ahead of Eazy.
Eminem's "overrated" despite SSLP, MMLP & The Eminem Show being three albums I'd put toe to toe with almost any album that's come out in the last decade.
Jay-Z is hands down a top ten artist of all-time, but he's overrated because these West Coast kids don't fuck with his recent mainstream sound.
An overrated rapper is someone like Lil' Wayne, Drake, Big Sean or a handful of rappers from recent memory who have pretty much accomplished nothing but get praise like they have.
things fall apart > slim shady lp
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SSLP >
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Eminem's first 3 albums all deserved to be 5 Mic classics. No other rapper has done it like that.
The closest to that achievement would be Pac. Pac's first album was maybe 3 mics, and his second album was like 4 mics. Then his next 3 albums all deserved 5 Mics, MATW, AEOM, and 7 Day Theory.
(this is of course according to me and not official ratings from the Source)
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I'd personally say that MMLP and Eminem Show were classics, SSLP I'd give 4 or 4.5 mics.
'Pac's last 3 CD's were pure classics. I honestly didn't think AEOM was a classic, but enough people who know more about Hip-Hop thank I do consider it to be, so who am I to argue?
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I'd personally say that MMLP and Eminem Show were classics, SSLP I'd give 4 or 4.5 mics.
'Pac's last 3 CD's were pure classics. I honestly didn't think AEOM was a classic, but enough people who know more about Hip-Hop thank I do consider it to be, so who am I to argue?
All Eyes On Me was hands down the greatest album every created in any genre. Think about it, it was 2pac in his prime, at the height of his career, just out of jail, signed to the greatest rap label of all time, Death Row in it's prime... it's the only album that truly deserved to be a double album, every song is dope and it contains no skits. That is truly unprecedented, never happened before and will never happen again!
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See, people say overrated and I'd never put Eminem on there. From 1999-2002 he was a beast and no one was touching him. Every rapper falls off eventually. Rakim was great from 1986-1990, KRS-One was the same at that same time period. Snoop was on top from 1992-1995. Rap is a young man's game, so when I look at overrated, I don't look at who was great and then fell off, I look at who just was never good.
i'll take it a step further and say eminem 1996-2002 was a beast and nobody was touching him
even though i only liked about half of the eminem show the half i loved show he still had it ("jesus, i don't believe this, bitch works at the cleaners, bringing me home diseases, swinging from Obie's penis" lmao)
and infinite was lyrical gold....but a few of the beats were bland.
1996? eminem was not even around or known in 1996 . Eminem was not known till 1998 .
his debut album was from 96
Infinite does not count as Eminem real debut . no one knew who was & no one could really get that album . Infinite is like kendricks E.p. OR section 80. eminem slim shady lp is debut just like kendrick lamars debut is good kid m.A.A.d city. unlike kendrick e.p or section 80 that you could get easily off the internet you could not get Infinite that easy even in 1996.
Sure, but to say he was "not around" is false.
no it is not when he was not herd or seen in 1996 on any real hip hop shows or radio . eminem was so underground in 1996 that he wass more underground then the underground hip hop of 1996.
doesnt matter, his original statement was that no one was fuckin with eminem lyrically at that time...doesnt matter how big he was, as an emcee, he came out the gates beastin.
no was fucking with eminem at all at that time . it don't matter what he was doing lyrically at the time if no one hears you then at all . as Emcee he came out no one knowing him or caring about him in 1996 . if no one knows you then you don't matter & that is fact . Eminem was nobody in 1996. those are the facts.
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that's not the point, whether he was known or not is irrelevant. he was unknown in 1996 but that doesn't mean that he wasn't beasting. it's not incompatible.
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that's not the point, whether he was known or not is irrelevant. he was unknown in 1996 but that doesn't mean that he wasn't beasting. it's not incompatible.
it's a fairly simple concept
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that's not the point, whether he was known or not is irrelevant. he was unknown in 1996 but that doesn't mean that he wasn't beasting. it's not incompatible.
That's what I was trying to explain to our primitive friend over here.
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I'd personally say that MMLP and Eminem Show were classics, SSLP I'd give 4 or 4.5 mics.
'Pac's last 3 CD's were pure classics. I honestly didn't think AEOM was a classic, but enough people who know more about Hip-Hop thank I do consider it to be, so who am I to argue?
All Eyes On Me was hands down the greatest album every created in any genre. Think about it, it was 2pac in his prime, at the height of his career, just out of jail, signed to the greatest rap label of all time, Death Row in it's prime... it's the only album that truly deserved to be a double album, every song is dope and it contains no skits. That is truly unprecedented, never happened before and will never happen again!
When I heard the album, I left thinking 2Pac has to be the greatest ever. At the same time, I just thought MATW and 7DT were better albums. But I guess it was the double album concept. MATW and 7DT sounded like albums, AEOM sounded like a greatest hits collection. But it was 2Pac at his best. To start the album with Ambitionz Az A Ridah jest set it off that he was going to kill it. And he did.
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I'd personally say that MMLP and Eminem Show were classics, SSLP I'd give 4 or 4.5 mics.
'Pac's last 3 CD's were pure classics. I honestly didn't think AEOM was a classic, but enough people who know more about Hip-Hop thank I do consider it to be, so who am I to argue?
All Eyes On Me was hands down the greatest album every created in any genre. Think about it, it was 2pac in his prime, at the height of his career, just out of jail, signed to the greatest rap label of all time, Death Row in it's prime... it's the only album that truly deserved to be a double album, every song is dope and it contains no skits. That is truly unprecedented, never happened before and will never happen again!
When I heard the album, I left thinking 2Pac has to be the greatest ever. At the same time, I just thought MATW and 7DT were better albums. But I guess it was the double album concept. MATW and 7DT sounded like albums, AEOM sounded like a greatest hits collection. But it was 2Pac at his best. To start the album with Ambitionz Az A Ridah jest set it off that he was going to kill it. And he did.
AEOM is one of the very few double albums, that worked well. 99 percent of double albums could have been 1 great single album.
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I'd personally say that MMLP and Eminem Show were classics, SSLP I'd give 4 or 4.5 mics.
'Pac's last 3 CD's were pure classics. I honestly didn't think AEOM was a classic, but enough people who know more about Hip-Hop thank I do consider it to be, so who am I to argue?
All Eyes On Me was hands down the greatest album every created in any genre. Think about it, it was 2pac in his prime, at the height of his career, just out of jail, signed to the greatest rap label of all time, Death Row in it's prime... it's the only album that truly deserved to be a double album, every song is dope and it contains no skits. That is truly unprecedented, never happened before and will never happen again!
When I heard the album, I left thinking 2Pac has to be the greatest ever. At the same time, I just thought MATW and 7DT were better albums. But I guess it was the double album concept. MATW and 7DT sounded like albums, AEOM sounded like a greatest hits collection. But it was 2Pac at his best. To start the album with Ambitionz Az A Ridah jest set it off that he was going to kill it. And he did.
AEOM is one of the very few double albums, that worked well. 99 percent of double albums could have been 1 great single album.
yep
life after death should've been one disc and same with wu tang forever
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If Life After Death and Wu Tang Forever were one disc, then they'd be classics. Blueprint 2 was another album that should have been one disc. AEOM was a great collection of songs. I do guess I don't look at it as high as 7DT and MATW because I just love that album feel with the skits and sort of a flow. MATW and 7DT also had a certain sound to each of them that if you heard a song, you knew it was from that album. MATW was more mellow and reflective, 7DT was rough and full of rage. AEOM was sort of, I'm out after a year in jail and this is the hottest music I got.
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If Life After Death and Wu Tang Forever were one disc, then they'd be classics. Blueprint 2 was another album that should have been one disc. AEOM was a great collection of songs. I do guess I don't look at it as high as 7DT and MATW because I just love that album feel with the skits and sort of a flow. MATW and 7DT also had a certain sound to each of them that if you heard a song, you knew it was from that album. MATW was more mellow and reflective, 7DT was rough and full of rage. AEOM was sort of, I'm out after a year in jail and this is the hottest music I got.
life after death is already a classic, and wu tang forever is pretty damn close itself.
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If Life After Death and Wu Tang Forever were one disc, then they'd be classics. Blueprint 2 was another album that should have been one disc. AEOM was a great collection of songs. I do guess I don't look at it as high as 7DT and MATW because I just love that album feel with the skits and sort of a flow. MATW and 7DT also had a certain sound to each of them that if you heard a song, you knew it was from that album. MATW was more mellow and reflective, 7DT was rough and full of rage. AEOM was sort of, I'm out after a year in jail and this is the hottest music I got.
life after death is already a classic, and wu tang forever is pretty damn close itself.
life after death is a classic to biggie stans only
sadly you could tell Puffy's pop-rap influence was going to ruin his career had he not sadly been murdered
and wu tang forever had some bangers on it but a lot of filler
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If Life After Death and Wu Tang Forever were one disc, then they'd be classics. Blueprint 2 was another album that should have been one disc. AEOM was a great collection of songs. I do guess I don't look at it as high as 7DT and MATW because I just love that album feel with the skits and sort of a flow. MATW and 7DT also had a certain sound to each of them that if you heard a song, you knew it was from that album. MATW was more mellow and reflective, 7DT was rough and full of rage. AEOM was sort of, I'm out after a year in jail and this is the hottest music I got.
life after death is already a classic, and wu tang forever is pretty damn close itself.
life after death is a classic to biggie stans only
sadly you could tell Puffy's pop-rap influence was going to ruin his career had he not sadly been murdered
and wu tang forever had some bangers on it but a lot of filler
even the poppish tracks on "life after death" were great...it's just a hip-hop classic. when it came out, the impact it made, the biggie vs pac thing, the countless hits, theres no way it's not a classic....and i'm far from a biggie stan - i rarely even bump biggie.
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i love kick in the door, long kiss, hypnotize, skys the limit etc. but ready to die was a lot better as an overall LP
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i love kick in the door, long kiss, hypnotize, skys the limit etc. but ready to die was a lot better as an overall LP
"ready to die" was like "me against the world" and "life after death" was like "all eyez on me"....all classics, in their own respect
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Looking at Life After Death's tracklist again, man there were more than enough tracks to make a double disc. Like AEOM, there were a couple of songs I'd leave out, but it was still a good double disc. I'd say all of disc one was great, and half of disc two was great. Disc 2, you had some songs that started to fall of a bit, but what made disc two important was there were so many tracks with little shots at 2Pac. You could tell disc two was recorded before 'Pac's death. They even remixed Long Kiss Goodnight, as this was the original version. It was clearly a diss to 2Pac, but the official released version they took out parts that made it obvious. But it was a good double disc. Can't think of a way to cut it down to one disc.
http://www.youtube.com/v/wsYSxHgVjto?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
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Long Kiss was def made after pac's death
"resting where the worms and the wheat be"
"you got fucked 4 times" (pac was shot 4x in vegas)
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Long Kiss was def made after pac's death
"resting where the worms and the wheat be"
"you got fucked 4 times" (pac was shot 4x in vegas)
I wrote a whole Junkyard on this back in 2003, about a couple of weeks before the LA Times article came out, on WC Killaz. It might have been recorded after 'Pac was shot, but before he died, because he seems to be yelling at a rapper still alive but rapping about 'Pac in the aftermath of Las Vegas.
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Long Kiss was def made after pac's death
"you got fucked 4 times" (pac was shot 4x in vegas)
that was a reference to the rumors of pac bein' raped while in rikers.
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Long Kiss was def made after pac's death
"you got fucked 4 times" (pac was shot 4x in vegas)
that was a reference to the rumors of pac bein' raped while in rikers.
Slugs hit your chest tap you spine, flatline
Heard through the grapevine, you got fucked fo' times
you really think he wasn't talking about getting shot?
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Long Kiss was def made after pac's death
"you got fucked 4 times" (pac was shot 4x in vegas)
that was a reference to the rumors of pac bein' raped while in rikers.
Slugs hit your chest tap you spine, flatline
Heard through the grapevine, you got fucked fo' times
Damn that three to nine, fucked you up for real doe
you really think he wasn't talking about getting shot?
nah i don't think biggie was that cold. he even threw shots at death row on what's beef: ''y'all was grimy in the early 90's''.
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So to reiterate...nobody you guys are mentioning are "overrated".
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So to reiterate...nobody you guys are mentioning are "overrated".
if lil wayne isn't over rated then nobody is
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So to reiterate...nobody you guys are mentioning are "overrated".
if lil wayne isn't over rated then nobody is
He is. But Tupac, Biggie and Jay-Z are not lol.
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So to reiterate...nobody you guys are mentioning are "overrated".
if lil wayne isn't over rated then nobody is
He is. But Tupac, Biggie and Jay-Z are not lol.
Jay is over rated in the sense that people want to act like he never made a bad song or that he's some sort of rap god (a Jay hova lol)
but Jay is under rated in the sense that his haters overlook his amazing work before he was a billionaire (i.e. people like Infinite)
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Big N Pac are good but Jay definitely overrated.
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Nobody sits there and says Jay-Z doesn't have a bad song. Pac and Big have wack songs too, doesn't make them overrated. Everyone's got a handful of wack music.
But between the four names that keep coming up, Jay, Eminem, Pac and Big, their overall bodies of work shits on literally 99% of the history of Hip Hop.
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Nobody sits there and says Jay-Z doesn't have a bad song. Pac and Big have wack songs too, doesn't make them overrated. Everyone's got a handful of wack music.
But between the four names that keep coming up, Jay, Eminem, Pac and Big, their overall bodies of work shits on literally 99% of the history of Hip Hop.
you haven't heard much hip hop at all.
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Coming from the guy who just made a thread calling "T.I. Vs. T.I.P." a classic. But I won't call T.I. dramatically overrated because MOST people don't come close to your opinion of him. Most accept he's just a dope little artist from the South.
Anyway you have to be good enough for people to praise you in the first place in order to even be in this ridiculous "overrated" conversation.
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Coming from the guy who just made a thread calling "T.I. Vs. T.I.P." a classic. But I won't call T.I. dramatically overrated because MOST people don't come close to your opinion of him. Most accept he's just a dope little artist from the South.
Anyway you have to be good enough for people to praise you in the first place in order to even be in this ridiculous "overrated" conversation.
''that dope little artist'' sold millions of records and is critically acclaimed so to some of y'all he is overrated. these cats opions don't count they listen to rappers based on who's co signin' them. t.i. came in the game wit no co sign: no dr. dre, no eminem, no wayne,etc. just skill and rose to the top and made muthafuckas pay attention. i bet you wouldn't have checked out eminem had dr. dre not co signed him.
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Coming from the guy who just made a thread calling "T.I. Vs. T.I.P." a classic. But I won't call T.I. dramatically overrated because MOST people don't come close to your opinion of him. Most accept he's just a dope little artist from the South.
Anyway you have to be good enough for people to praise you in the first place in order to even be in this ridiculous "overrated" conversation.
''that dope little artist'' sold millions of records and is critically acclaimed so to some of y'all he is overrated. these cats opions don't count they listen to rappers based on who's co signin' them. t.i. came in the game wit no co sign: no dr. dre, no eminem, no wayne,etc. just skill and rose to the top and made muthafuckas pay attention. i bet you wouldn't have checked out eminem had dr. dre not co signed him.
no offense but using record sales as an argument for talent isn't the best idea
see: justin beiber lol
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Coming from the guy who just made a thread calling "T.I. Vs. T.I.P." a classic. But I won't call T.I. dramatically overrated because MOST people don't come close to your opinion of him. Most accept he's just a dope little artist from the South.
Anyway you have to be good enough for people to praise you in the first place in order to even be in this ridiculous "overrated" conversation.
''that dope little artist'' sold millions of records and is critically acclaimed so to some of y'all he is overrated. these cats opions don't count they listen to rappers based on who's co signin' them. t.i. came in the game wit no co sign: no dr. dre, no eminem, no wayne,etc. just skill and rose to the top and made muthafuckas pay attention. i bet you wouldn't have checked out eminem had dr. dre not co signed him.
no offense but using record sales as an argument for talent isn't the best idea
see: justin beiber lol
sales is not an argument but based off the street content of t.i.'s music at the time if he wasn't critically he wouldn't have sold as many records as he's sold in his career 12 years strong. btw where's jadakiss anybody ?
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Probably would have since The Marshall Mathers LP would be better than a T.I. greatest hits album.
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Probably would have since The Marshall Mathers LP would be better than a T.I. greatest hits album.
LOL t.i. shitted on eminem on touchdown. after em's first 3 albums it was a wrap for him you can only bash your own mother, kill kim, pop pills, and eat shrooms for so long.
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"Touchdown" is probably the worst verse of his career during the worst part of his career.
There's a reason why at the turn of the century T.I. didn't have anything of Eminem's shadow. Eminem and 50 didn't blow because of their Dre co-sign, they were just putting out a better brand of music than everyone else at the time...including young Clifford. Dre consigned Bishop Lamont...I don't even know if he's still alive.
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Dre consigned Bishop Lamont...I don't even know if he's still alive.
LMAO this made me laugh my ass off. ouch! poor Bishop...dude had skills.
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"Touchdown" is probably the worst verse of his career during the worst part of his career.
There's a reason why at the turn of the century T.I. didn't have anything of Eminem's shadow. Eminem and 50 didn't blow because of their Dre co-sign, they were just putting out a better brand of music than everyone else at the time...including young Clifford. Dre consigned Bishop Lamont...I don't even know if he's still alive.
false. before em and dre got involved wit 50 he was literally blackballed their affiliation saved him. they both blew because of that no one wanted to sign eminem until dre did no one wanted to sign 50 until they found out dre and em was interested.
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Like I said and you quoted...Dre signed Bishop Lamont. Nothing became of it. Eminem is the biggest name in Hip Hop and cosigned Stat Quo, Bobby Creekwater and Ca$his. Nothing. You need skill to get to that level.
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Like I said and you quoted...Dre signed Bishop Lamont. Nothing became of it. Eminem is the biggest name in Hip Hop and cosigned Stat Quo, Bobby Creekwater and Ca$his. Nothing. You need skill to get to that level.
eminem's not gonna let any artist get bigger than him on his label other than 50 and you see how they doin' him.
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So to reiterate...nobody you guys are mentioning are "overrated".
if lil wayne isn't over rated then nobody is
He is. But Tupac, Biggie and Jay-Z are not lol.
None of them are gimmick acts tho
Wayne is like the regular dude who writes a hit for Britney or Miley Cyrus, but by night he's pretending to be a rapper
He's like Lil Jon in a way. Just a wig and a fake grill on a normal boring guy who writes songs. Pure pop industry shit.
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I been said these motherfuckas just like artists cosigned by the big name guys. Glad Im not the only one who sees this. Its like they got Jedi mind control over dumb motherfuckas.
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I been said these motherfuckas just like artists cosigned by the big name guys. Glad Im not the only one who sees this. Its like they got Jedi mind control over dumb motherfuckas.
this.
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Probably would have since The Marshall Mathers LP would be better than a T.I. greatest hits album.
LOL t.i. shitted on eminem on touchdown. after em's first 3 albums it was a wrap for him you can only bash your own mother, kill kim, pop pills, and eat shrooms for so long.
I agree although he had some strong work on the 8 mile soundtrack. And don't forget All She Wrote. Em murdered TI on his own shit:)
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Probably would have since The Marshall Mathers LP would be better than a T.I. greatest hits album.
LOL t.i. shitted on eminem on touchdown. after em's first 3 albums it was a wrap for him you can only bash your own mother, kill kim, pop pills, and eat shrooms for so long.
I agree although he had some strong work on the 8 mile soundtrack. And don't forget All She Wrote. Em murdered TI on his own shit:)
nah dude had some heaters on that 8 mile but all she wrote t.i. got him on that though.
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Probably would have since The Marshall Mathers LP would be better than a T.I. greatest hits album.
LOL t.i. shitted on eminem on touchdown. after em's first 3 albums it was a wrap for him you can only bash your own mother, kill kim, pop pills, and eat shrooms for so long.
I agree although he had some strong work on the 8 mile soundtrack. And don't forget All She Wrote. Em murdered TI on his own shit:)
nah dude had some heaters on that 8 mile but all she wrote t.i. got him on that though.
You think so?? I agree that TI was better on touchdown, but I think Em got him on all she wrote. oh well, just my opinion.
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Probably would have since The Marshall Mathers LP would be better than a T.I. greatest hits album.
LOL t.i. shitted on eminem on touchdown. after em's first 3 albums it was a wrap for him you can only bash your own mother, kill kim, pop pills, and eat shrooms for so long.
I agree although he had some strong work on the 8 mile soundtrack. And don't forget All She Wrote. Em murdered TI on his own shit:)
nah dude had some heaters on that 8 mile but all she wrote t.i. got him on that though.
You think so?? I agree that TI was better on touchdown, but I think Em got him on all she wrote. oh well, just my opinion.
em was rhymin' about a&w hotdogs , kmart, etc. he coulda came correct though i'm not gonna lie i like when he and t.i. collab but his verses was all over the place n that record.
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a&w root beer is my shit
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a&w root beer is my shit
mine too. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Nobody sits there and says Jay-Z doesn't have a bad song. Pac and Big have wack songs too, doesn't make them overrated. Everyone's got a handful of wack music.
But between the four names that keep coming up, Jay, Eminem, Pac and Big, their overall bodies of work shits on literally 99% of the history of Hip Hop.
you haven't heard much hip hop at all.
^^^^^^^
this
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I been said these motherfuckas just like artists cosigned by the big name guys. Glad Im not the only one who sees this. Its like they got Jedi mind control over dumb motherfuckas.
That's the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. We would all be Drake, Wayne, Cole, Big Sean, Tyga fans then. But we're not. Jay, Em, Pac and Big were just better than their surroundings, hence their ascension to the top.
I'm not saying their indisputably, hands down the four best rappers ever. There are others in their class. But to act like those four aren't in the top 15 all-time just speaks on your credibility...or how big of a troll you are. And to be among the top 15 people to ever do something means you're NOT overrated, it means you accomplished something worth acknowledging. T.I. is just not among the same ranks.
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I been said these motherfuckas just like artists cosigned by the big name guys. Glad Im not the only one who sees this. Its like they got Jedi mind control over dumb motherfuckas.
That's the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. We would all be Drake, Wayne, Cole, Big Sean, Tyga fans then. But we're not. Jay, Em, Pac and Big were just better than their surroundings, hence their ascension to the top.
I'm not saying their indisputably, hands down the four best rappers ever. There are others in their class. But to act like those four aren't in the top 15 all-time just speaks on your credibility...or how big of a troll you are. And to be among the top 15 people to ever do something means you're NOT overrated, it means you accomplished something worth acknowledging. T.I. is just not among the same ranks.
he's been among those same ranks.
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Lmfao. That's disgusting.
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Lmfao. That's disgusting.
waiting on joe buddens next mixtape.......
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Me too but I probably won't put it toe to toe with Illmatic and say it's in the same league.
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Me too but I probably won't put it toe to toe with Illmatic and say it's in the same league.
saigon's greatest story never told is an album i'd compare to illmatic.
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Lmfao. That's disgusting.
shameless.
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I been said these motherfuckas just like artists cosigned by the big name guys. Glad Im not the only one who sees this. Its like they got Jedi mind control over dumb motherfuckas.
That's the dumbest thing I ever heard in my life. We would all be Drake, Wayne, Cole, Big Sean, Tyga fans then. But we're not. Jay, Em, Pac and Big were just better than their surroundings, hence their ascension to the top.
I'm not saying their indisputably, hands down the four best rappers ever. There are others in their class. But to act like those four aren't in the top 15 all-time just speaks on your credibility...or how big of a troll you are. And to be among the top 15 people to ever do something means you're NOT overrated, it means you accomplished something worth acknowledging. T.I. is just not among the same ranks.
lol, this is proof that jay-z is overrated
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Nobody sits there and says Jay-Z doesn't have a bad song. Pac and Big have wack songs too, doesn't make them overrated. Everyone's got a handful of wack music.
But between the four names that keep coming up, Jay, Eminem, Pac and Big, their overall bodies of work shits on literally 99% of the history of Hip Hop.
you haven't heard much hip hop at all.
^^^^^^^
this
Preach. As a matter of fact this is comin from the same kid who didnt know who Lord Jamar or Brand Nubian was until like a month ago when Jamar dissed Kanye, but calls anyone who doesnt worship Big, Pac, Jay, Em or Nas a troll. Its the prime example of how you only know and believe whatever the industry wants you to maybe not all of it but they still controllin you a little. Plus me sayin an artist is overrated doesnt mean I dislike them. Just means in my years of hip hop listening Ive heard better artists who dont get as much praise and respect for bein as good or better than those other guys.
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Nobody sits there and says Jay-Z doesn't have a bad song. Pac and Big have wack songs too, doesn't make them overrated. Everyone's got a handful of wack music.
But between the four names that keep coming up, Jay, Eminem, Pac and Big, their overall bodies of work shits on literally 99% of the history of Hip Hop.
you haven't heard much hip hop at all.
^^^^^^^
this
Preach. As a matter of fact this is comin from the same kid who didnt know who Lord Jamar or Brand Nubian was until like a month ago when Jamar dissed Kanye, but calls anyone who doesnt worship Big, Pac, Jay, Em or Nas a troll. Its the prime example of how you only know and believe whatever the industry wants you to maybe not all of it but they still controllin you a little. Plus me sayin an artist is overrated doesnt mean I dislike them. Just means in my years of hip hop listening Ive heard better artists who dont get as much praise and respect for bein as good or better than those other guys.
some of these flea bags only listen to artists co signed by big names and don't have respect for this culture anyway i dropped an underrated album thread just to see who really know their shit and you can really tell who knows this shit.
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I say Jay, Pac, Big & Nas are top 15. This clown says "apparently anyone who doesn't 'worship' them is a troll", I didn't say that. I think the proper response would be to see you reach & tell me who in the history of Hip Hop is knocking Nas out of the top 15.
But a nigga ain't REALLY going to throw any shred of validity he's got left, is he?
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I say Jay, Pac, Big & Nas are top 15. This clown says "apparently anyone who doesn't 'worship' them is a troll", I didn't say that. I think the proper response would be to see you reach & tell me who in the history of Hip Hop is knocking Nas out of the top 15.
But a nigga ain't REALLY going to throw any shred of validity he's got left, is he?
Nas is top 3, so is 2Pac. I usually think of Jay-Z as top 15, I think he's passed LL Cool J and Snoop Dogg now just based off longevity. Biggie, I also have in the top 15, I am not sure where though. But to not have any of these rappers there is a hater. People will say their favorite underground rappers, and that's all good. But one of the biggest, and I mean BIGGEST areas to rank a rapper is influence. How many rappers copied their style after them. Rakim fathered the whole ultra lyrical group, Nas, Kurupt (before all the drugs) and all of them. KRS-One's style fathered 2Pac, Ice Cube's style fathered Game for better or worst. 2Pac basically fathered a whole generation, Jay-Z fathered a whole era (Swag era), Nas fathered a whole underground scene (especially after Stillmatic and going after the government right after 9-11), Biggie fathered Jay-Z. These things matter, who influenced others is very important when ranking rappers. I don't care what people think of your skills, if no one is being influenced by you then your work was almost worthless.
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And you gotta have Cube, Rakim, KRS-One and Biggie in the top 15.
My point being is that if you're in the Top 15 of all-time in the history of humanity at anything, you shouldn't be viewed as "overrated". It's like saying "Oscar Robertson is overrated" because you don't consider him in the same light as MJ, Magic and Bird. He's still Top 10 though.
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And you gotta have Cube, Rakim, KRS-One and Biggie in the top 15.
My point being is that if you're in the Top 15 of all-time in the history of humanity at anything, you shouldn't be viewed as "overrated". It's like saying "Oscar Robertson is overrated" because you don't consider him in the same light as MJ, Magic and Bird. He's still Top 10 though.
True, which is why I don't have Jay-Z as overrated. I did say Weezy though.
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I say Jay, Pac, Big & Nas are top 15. This clown says "apparently anyone who doesn't 'worship' them is a troll", I didn't say that. I think the proper response would be to see you reach & tell me who in the history of Hip Hop is knocking Nas out of the top 15.
But a nigga ain't REALLY going to throw any shred of validity he's got left, is he?
Nas is top 3, so is 2Pac. I usually think of Jay-Z as top 15, I think he's passed LL Cool J and Snoop Dogg now just based off longevity. Biggie, I also have in the top 15, I am not sure where though. But to not have any of these rappers there is a hater. People will say their favorite underground rappers, and that's all good. But one of the biggest, and I mean BIGGEST areas to rank a rapper is influence. How many rappers copied their style after them. Rakim fathered the whole ultra lyrical group, Nas, Kurupt (before all the drugs) and all of them. KRS-One's style fathered 2Pac, Ice Cube's style fathered Game for better or worst. 2Pac basically fathered a whole generation, Jay-Z fathered a whole era (Swag era), Nas fathered a whole underground scene (especially after Stillmatic and going after the government right after 9-11), Biggie fathered Jay-Z. These things matter, who influenced others is very important when ranking rappers. I don't care what people think of your skills, if no one is being influenced by you then your work was almost worthless.
No hating. Would you consider Masta Ace top 15 as Eminem based his style on him?
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I say Jay, Pac, Big & Nas are top 15. This clown says "apparently anyone who doesn't 'worship' them is a troll", I didn't say that. I think the proper response would be to see you reach & tell me who in the history of Hip Hop is knocking Nas out of the top 15.
But a nigga ain't REALLY going to throw any shred of validity he's got left, is he?
Nas is top 3, so is 2Pac. I usually think of Jay-Z as top 15, I think he's passed LL Cool J and Snoop Dogg now just based off longevity. Biggie, I also have in the top 15, I am not sure where though. But to not have any of these rappers there is a hater. People will say their favorite underground rappers, and that's all good. But one of the biggest, and I mean BIGGEST areas to rank a rapper is influence. How many rappers copied their style after them. Rakim fathered the whole ultra lyrical group, Nas, Kurupt (before all the drugs) and all of them. KRS-One's style fathered 2Pac, Ice Cube's style fathered Game for better or worst. 2Pac basically fathered a whole generation, Jay-Z fathered a whole era (Swag era), Nas fathered a whole underground scene (especially after Stillmatic and going after the government right after 9-11), Biggie fathered Jay-Z. These things matter, who influenced others is very important when ranking rappers. I don't care what people think of your skills, if no one is being influenced by you then your work was almost worthless.
No hating. Would you consider Masta Ace top 15 as Eminem based his style on him?
I'd say maybe top 20, maybe. His overall reach is down, but who he did reach was very strong. I also think that when he was relevant, you were never hearing any Masta Ace, King of New York talk, or you never heard people call his albums classics. After he went independent you did, but not during his more known days.
And Eminem didn't base his whole style off Masta Ace. Eminem will even admit he was heavily influenced by LL Cool J.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MWEtg5DAtE
Eminem was not fathered by Masta Ace. You have to look at a ton of artist to get Eminem.
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Em was influenced by Cage too.
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Em was influenced by Cage too.
cage shitted on em on illest 4 letter word
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I say Jay, Pac, Big & Nas are top 15. This clown says "apparently anyone who doesn't 'worship' them is a troll", I didn't say that. I think the proper response would be to see you reach & tell me who in the history of Hip Hop is knocking Nas out of the top 15.
But a nigga ain't REALLY going to throw any shred of validity he's got left, is he?
Nas is top 3, so is 2Pac. I usually think of Jay-Z as top 15, I think he's passed LL Cool J and Snoop Dogg now just based off longevity. Biggie, I also have in the top 15, I am not sure where though. But to not have any of these rappers there is a hater. People will say their favorite underground rappers, and that's all good. But one of the biggest, and I mean BIGGEST areas to rank a rapper is influence. How many rappers copied their style after them. Rakim fathered the whole ultra lyrical group, Nas, Kurupt (before all the drugs) and all of them. KRS-One's style fathered 2Pac, Ice Cube's style fathered Game for better or worst. 2Pac basically fathered a whole generation, Jay-Z fathered a whole era (Swag era), Nas fathered a whole underground scene (especially after Stillmatic and going after the government right after 9-11), Biggie fathered Jay-Z. These things matter, who influenced others is very important when ranking rappers. I don't care what people think of your skills, if no one is being influenced by you then your work was almost worthless.
Jay hasn't fathered anything, his whole career is based off of biting
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I say Jay, Pac, Big & Nas are top 15. This clown says "apparently anyone who doesn't 'worship' them is a troll", I didn't say that. I think the proper response would be to see you reach & tell me who in the history of Hip Hop is knocking Nas out of the top 15.
But a nigga ain't REALLY going to throw any shred of validity he's got left, is he?
Nas is top 3, so is 2Pac. I usually think of Jay-Z as top 15, I think he's passed LL Cool J and Snoop Dogg now just based off longevity. Biggie, I also have in the top 15, I am not sure where though. But to not have any of these rappers there is a hater. People will say their favorite underground rappers, and that's all good. But one of the biggest, and I mean BIGGEST areas to rank a rapper is influence. How many rappers copied their style after them. Rakim fathered the whole ultra lyrical group, Nas, Kurupt (before all the drugs) and all of them. KRS-One's style fathered 2Pac, Ice Cube's style fathered Game for better or worst. 2Pac basically fathered a whole generation, Jay-Z fathered a whole era (Swag era), Nas fathered a whole underground scene (especially after Stillmatic and going after the government right after 9-11), Biggie fathered Jay-Z. These things matter, who influenced others is very important when ranking rappers. I don't care what people think of your skills, if no one is being influenced by you then your work was almost worthless.
Jay hasn't fathered anything, his whole career is based off of biting
agreed
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how many of biggies rhymes gonna come out yo fat lips?
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lol classic material top five dead or alive
1. TI
2. TI
3. TI
4. TI
5. iggy azalea
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lol classic material top five dead or alive
1. TI
2. TI
3. TI
4. TI
5. iggy azalea
your pops should be number 5.
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LOL no one's mad george lopez.
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nicki minaj
2 chainz
gucci mane
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young dro
young la
TI
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Tip
Clifford
Bob
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it doesn't suprise me that you're a bandwagon kinda kid cham so when it becomes cool (which by the look of u kid's dress code today may be soon) for you 90's babies to start wearin' skirts and pumps you'll definitely be rockin' 'em too.
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Right, that's why I'm a fan of Chamillionaire and Joe Budden...the two most outcast artists of the decade. Just tryna fit in.
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Right, that's why I'm a fan of Chamillionaire and Joe Budden...the two most outcast artists of the decade. Just tryna fit in.
u just do that to show people ur cool...like how u just used it right there to prove urself.
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Right, that's why I'm a fan of Chamillionaire and Joe Budden...the two most outcast artists of the decade. Just tryna fit in.
u just do that to show people ur cool...like how u just used it right there to prove urself.
preach.
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Right, that's why I'm a fan of Chamillionaire and Joe Budden...the two most outcast artists of the decade. Just tryna fit in.
u just do that to show people ur cool...like how u just used it right there to prove urself.
So I'm lying about being their fans? Ai, B.
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Right, that's why I'm a fan of Chamillionaire and Joe Budden...the two most outcast artists of the decade. Just tryna fit in.
u just do that to show people ur cool...like how u just used it right there to prove urself.
So I'm lying about being their fans? Ai, B.
naah, i doubt it...but i'm just showin how that logic doesnt exactly put u in the clear.
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For your health and time, I think it's just time to come to terms that there is no "clear" lol. You've jumped into the middle of tons of random ass back and forths I've had with people to take sides against me lol. You're a man of twisting words to make your points. I'll never be "in the clear" to you, you'll find a way to take a shot lol.
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For your health and time, I think it's just time to come to terms that there is no "clear" lol. You've jumped into the middle of tons of random ass back and forths I've had with people to take sides against me lol. You're a man of twisting words to make your points. I'll never be "in the clear" to you, you'll find a way to take a shot lol.
calm down, young biebs...i was just tryna show u that the logic u were using was flawed.
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For your health and time, I think it's just time to come to terms that there is no "clear" lol. You've jumped into the middle of tons of random ass back and forths I've had with people to take sides against me lol. You're a man of twisting words to make your points. I'll never be "in the clear" to you, you'll find a way to take a shot lol.
come on cham don't act like you're not guilty of this yourself.
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For your health and time, I think it's just time to come to terms that there is no "clear" lol. You've jumped into the middle of tons of random ass back and forths I've had with people to take sides against me lol. You're a man of twisting words to make your points. I'll never be "in the clear" to you, you'll find a way to take a shot lol.
calm down, young biebs...i was just tryna show u that the logic u were using was flawed.
There was no logic lmao. It was simple, he called me a "band wagon fan", in order to "fit in", but then why would I sit there and defend artists NOBODY likes? Lol. You mentioned "tryna be cool" and shit. I just disproved being a bandwagon fan.
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For your health and time, I think it's just time to come to terms that there is no "clear" lol. You've jumped into the middle of tons of random ass back and forths I've had with people to take sides against me lol. You're a man of twisting words to make your points. I'll never be "in the clear" to you, you'll find a way to take a shot lol.
calm down, young biebs...i was just tryna show u that the logic u were using was flawed.
There was no logic lmao. It was simple, he called me a "band wagon fan", in order to "fit in", but then why would I sit there and defend artists NOBODY likes? Lol. You mentioned "tryna be cool" and shit. I just disproved being a bandwagon fan.
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