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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: johnnie360 on May 05, 2013, 09:56:03 PM
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I just pulled this out after a hella long time. Reminded me of summer of 98. I used to flip this cassette tape over and over in my walkman.
So is this album Classic? Best Daz Album?
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West Coast classic and best Daz album for sure - unfortunately, it was released in a time when West Coast rap became played out and "G-Funk era" was only a memory... it was probably the last record with that classic Death Row sound from top to bottom.
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yes, it's a good album, but classic?
no.
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West Coast classic and best Daz album for sure - classic Death Row sound from top to bottom.
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Yeah good album for sure. Very good memories of a time in my life where everything was good! Almost a classic just a few weak tracks but over all very very good album.
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RAW is a more consistent album in my opinion. RR+GB was a mix of older songs and too many guest apperances.
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"R.A.W." is better in my opinion too, it's still the best album from Daz in my opinion.
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I think "this is the life i lead" may be my favourite Daz album.
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itīs a dazzic album. tho i like raw too . thatīs about it, u know what iīm throwing up was mostly garbage imo, and after that i canīt say iīve heard a solid daz album.
lol, i remember when daz vs. tha row beef was on; tha row had their catalog on their website and the description of RRGB was "the only Daz album worth buying". they were netbanging so hard, leaking the other sideīs albums with twisted song and artist names.
snoop dogg was "snitch dogg" and Daz put up photoshopped pics of Suge in womenīs clothing on the front page of his site.
and Daz banned all bloods from his forum, tho the only one was baby g because he had Damu Ridaz pics in his sig and said heīs from a blood neighborhood. Dazī netbanging stripes been earned early nahmean.
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it felt like the last real Death Row type album that was released
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itīs a dazzic album. tho i like raw too . thatīs about it, u know what iīm throwing up was mostly garbage imo, and after that i canīt say iīve heard a solid daz album.
lol, i remember when daz vs. tha row beef was on; tha row had their catalog on their website and the description of RRGB was "the only Daz album worth buying". they were netbanging so hard, leaking the other sideīs albums with twisted song and artist names.
snoop dogg was "snitch dogg" and Daz put up photoshopped pics of Suge in womenīs clothing on the front page of his site.
and Daz banned all bloods from his forum, tho the only one was baby g because he had Damu Ridaz pics in his sig and said heīs from a blood neighborhood. Dazī netbanging stripes been earned early nahmean.
:D You will never see such major label net ignorance as you did in those days.
Every dogg has its day :D :D :D
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i know man , lol . Daz still shitting on folks tho , like his "fuck france" thing a couple of years ago
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not classic but it has plenty of classic songs on it
they should have added "dont try to play me homie" and "Way too major"
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they should have added "dont try to play me homie" and "Way too major"
"Way Too Major" is probably the best song Daz has ever recorded - CLASSIC.
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West Coast classic and best Daz album for sure - classic Death Row sound from top to bottom.
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That first beat after the intro is G as fuck.
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I like "Oh No" from that album
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raw is daz best solo but this is almost as good.
thx god for my life sounds real stupid 15 years later, actually it sounded pretty stupid then.
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i'd say it's a near classic, with "raw" bein on the same level...
may very well be a west coast classic, tho
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Def had some classic songs. I remember hearin OG's for the first time and was blown away...classic death row sound. I prolly listened to that song 100x when I got that cd lol. Initiated was the same way...joints w WC and Too Short were great too. Haven't listened to it in a while, in sure I'm forgetting some.
RAW is dope as hell...On The Grind is 10 outta 10 to me.
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West Coast classic and best Daz album for sure - unfortunately, it was released in a time when West Coast rap became played out and "G-Funk era" was only a memory... it was probably the last record with that classic Death Row sound from top to bottom.
Exactly.
..."In California" sounded like a sure-fire hit to me. The album had the same level of quality that we had come to expect from Death Row releases of their golden era. The label was crumbling but you wouldn't know it from this album. This album deserved to go platinum yet it only managed to sell 300,000 copies. By the time of it's release the rap buying public was too busy buying up the latest No Limit trash and had forgotten about the West
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i'd say it's a near classic, with "raw" bein on the same level...
may very well be a west coast classic, tho
"Raw" may be a personal favorite of yours, but objectively speaking, there is no way you can say it is on the same level as RRAGB. Tracks like "O.G." and "Initiated" and others were recorded during Death Row's golden era. Kurupt still sounds like he's in his prime, and he's all over this album. Daz was still on fire with the production. With Death Row crumbling it was like Daz against the world and it was a heroic effort on his part. It was Death Row's final stand. This album probably took years to complete.
Daz probably made the Raw album over the course of a few weeks. It had some nice sounds but it's fools gold.
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West Coast classic and best Daz album for sure - unfortunately, it was released in a time when West Coast rap became played out and "G-Funk era" was only a memory... it was probably the last record with that classic Death Row sound from top to bottom.
Exactly.
..."In California" sounded like a sure-fire hit to me. The album had the same level of quality that we had come to expect from Death Row releases of their golden era. The label was crumbling but you wouldn't know it from this album. This album deserved to go platinum yet it only managed to sell 300,000 copies. By the time of it's release the rap buying public was too busy buying up the latest No Limit trash and had forgotten about the West
No limit was tight in their day. Beats by the pound / KLC etc were great producers. Mac, mystikal, fiend, silk (yeah sometimes it sounded like he couldn't hear the beat when he rhymed), soulja slim, etc.
They had a lot of classic songs.
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i'd say it's a near classic, with "raw" bein on the same level...
may very well be a west coast classic, tho
"Raw" may be a personal favorite of yours, but objectively speaking, there is no way you can say it is on the same level as RRAGB. Tracks like "O.G." and "Initiated" and others were recorded during Death Row's golden era. Kurupt still sounds like he's in his prime, and he's all over this album. Daz was still on fire with the production. With Death Row crumbling it was like Daz against the world and it was a heroic effort on his part. It was Death Row's final stand. This album probably took years to complete.
Daz probably made the Raw album over the course of a few weeks. It had some nice sounds but it's fools gold.
Naah, "RAW" was a great album, maybe a lil too gangsta and less commercial for ur liking, but it had that authentic dpgc sound ala "Tha streetz"... It's right up there with "RRGB", and I remember when it dropped, the consensus opinion was that it was his best album. To me, they're both great in different ways.
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..."In California" sounded like a sure-fire hit to me. The album had the same level of quality that we had come to expect from Death Row releases of their golden era. The label was crumbling but you wouldn't know it from this album. This album deserved to go platinum yet it only managed to sell 300,000 copies. By the time of it's release the rap buying public was too busy buying up the latest No Limit trash and had forgotten about the West
It sold that much because marketing sucked for it, and the big guest features weren't pushed in promotion either. At that time, every album, Death Row or not, that featured Pac had a nice big sticker that said "featuring 2Pac," and it wasn't really highlighted in any ads.
Daz's name at the time wasn't very known to the general public (unless it's referenced in "Daz and Kurupt" or "Tha Dogg Pound"), plus his name switch from Dat Nigga Daz to Daz Dillinger didn't help either. The album cover copying Marvin Gaye's "In Our Lifetime" was a cool concept, but it wasn't a good cover, especially with the album title being up top (and a dumb title at that) with his name being at the bottom.
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..."In California" sounded like a sure-fire hit to me. The album had the same level of quality that we had come to expect from Death Row releases of their golden era. The label was crumbling but you wouldn't know it from this album. This album deserved to go platinum yet it only managed to sell 300,000 copies. By the time of it's release the rap buying public was too busy buying up the latest No Limit trash and had forgotten about the West
It sold that much because marketing sucked for it, and the big guest features weren't pushed in promotion either. At that time, every album, Death Row or not, that featured Pac had a nice big sticker that said "featuring 2Pac," and it wasn't really highlighted in any ads.
Daz's name at the time wasn't very known to the general public (unless it's referenced in "Daz and Kurupt" or "Tha Dogg Pound"), plus his name switch from Dat Nigga Daz to Daz Dillinger didn't help either. The album cover copying Marvin Gaye's "In Our Lifetime" was a cool concept, but it wasn't a good cover, especially with the album title being up top (and a dumb title at that) with his name being at the bottom.
Initiated should have been the lead single. I think "In California" was if I remember correctly...not a bad song, Daz solo w/ Jewell. But yeah anything with 2pac on a single at the time would have blown. Follow up w/ OGs and it could have easily went gold if not platinum.
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Initiated should have been the lead single. I think "In California" was if I remember correctly...not a bad song, Daz solo w/ Jewell. But yeah anything with 2pac on a single at the time would have blown. Follow up w/ OGs and it could have easily went gold if not platinum.
I don't know if I'd agree with Initiated being the LEAD single, but it definitely should've been a focus of the album in terms of marketing. It wouldn't have been a problem. Even with Pac and Kadafi being dead at that time, the Outlawz were still technically signed to Death Row, so I don't think they'd have had a problem with making guest appearances in a music video, except for Fatal (who didn't sign and wasn't in LA anymore anyway).
On that topic, Jack Move would've been a dope song to put on this also.
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raw was dope as fuck whos knoccin at my door >>>>
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Naah, "RAW" was a great album, maybe a lil too gangsta and less commercial for ur liking, but it had that authentic dpgc sound ala "Tha streetz"... It's right up there with "RRGB", and I remember when it dropped, the consensus opinion was that it was his best album. To me, they're both great in different ways.
nah homie I don't care which album was more commercial, and you think RAW is more gangsta??.
How can RAW be more gangsta than RRAGB? RRAGB is gangsta as fuck!! Right from the jump you got an opening track "Gang Banging Ass Criminals" that you can not fuck with when it comes to GANGSTA!! You got Tray Dee on that shit and Kurupt in his prime that joint is as gangsta as it gets and that's just the first joint!! It gets even more gangsta as it goes, You can't fuck with "O.G."... that is the old gangsta Snoop and Nate comes hard as fuck!! Then you talk about "Initiated" and so on homie I don't see how the album could of came any harder..
You know I respect your opinion more than anyone on the forum, but we gone have to agree to disagree on this one, homie...
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It sold that much because marketing sucked for it, and the big guest features weren't pushed in promotion either. At that time, every album, Death Row or not, that featured Pac had a nice big sticker that said "featuring 2Pac," and it wasn't really highlighted in any ads.
Daz's name at the time wasn't very known to the general public (unless it's referenced in "Daz and Kurupt" or "Tha Dogg Pound"), plus his name switch from Dat Nigga Daz to Daz Dillinger didn't help either. The album cover copying Marvin Gaye's "In Our Lifetime" was a cool concept, but it wasn't a good cover, especially with the album title being up top (and a dumb title at that) with his name being at the bottom.
You make some good points about the albums marketability, but I think you still miss the point.
I agree that the title and cover art could of been better from a marketing stand point. But as a fan I felt the cover art was dope, and that the title was pretty accurate considering the content of the album. He could of titled it something more marketable like "Last Man Standing" (On Death Row) but he didn't write any songs about that for the album.
The album didn't fail because of marketing it failed because the video for "In California" was pretty weak, and MTV and BET didn't support it like they should of. Also, the South and No Limit were dominating the market at the time, and people had forgot about the West Coast.
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Initiated should have been the lead single. I think "In California" was if I remember correctly...not a bad song, Daz solo w/ Jewell. But yeah anything with 2pac on a single at the time would have blown. Follow up w/ OGs and it could have easily went gold if not platinum.
Hell no!!!!
"In California" was as appropriate a lead single as I've ever heard. It was a Daz solo so it gave Daz the full spotlight which was what he needed. The shit was a feel-good track like most lead singles. It was a feel-good track in the same way as "Let's Play House" and it was similar to "California Love" just minus the legendary status of Pac and Dre.
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Also, the South and No Limit were dominating the market at the time, and people had forgot about the West Coast.
that's not a valid reason. several westcoast albums went gold in 98 : Cube's War & Peace Vol. 1&2 (album) and Cube's Pushin Weight (single). E-40's Element of Surprise went gold as well.
In California didn't blow because it wasn't a good enough track, it's a caricature of a westcoast themed song to me, it's still decent but it didn't have the crossover appeal of California Love, or West Up.
The album failed to go gold for the reasons mentioned by Deeeznuuuuts83. plus Daz didn't have the mainstream notoriety and the mass appeal to sell 500k. Daz wasn't a household name and he wasn't a frontman. he still doesn't have any mainstream appeal, and he has proved it time & time again. he had his chance with Jermaine Dupri in 06 on a major label, dude had a single with Rick Ross with a video which charted but it wasn't nowhere near a hit despite Ross's feature.
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that's not a valid reason. several westcoast albums went gold in 98 : Cube's War & Peace Vol. 1&2 (album) and Cube's Pushin Weight (single). E-40's Element of Surprise went gold as well.
In California didn't blow because it wasn't a good enough track, it's a caricature of a westcoast themed song to me, it's still decent but it didn't have the crossover appeal of California Love, or West Up.
The album failed to go gold for the reasons mentioned by Deeeznuuuuts83. plus Daz didn't have the mainstream notoriety and the mass appeal to sell 500k. Daz wasn't a household name and he wasn't a frontman. he still doesn't have any mainstream appeal, and he has proved it time & time again. he had his chance with Jermaine Dupri in 06 on a major label, dude had a single with Rick Ross with a video which charted but it wasn't nowhere near a hit despite Ross's feature.
Ice Cube was still able to go platinum after the fall of the West because Ice Cube is a household name. "Pushin Wieght" was also a tremendous lead single and had a dope-ass video to go with it. That joint bangs for sure, and props to Ice Cube for that.
As for E-40, E-40 and the Bay area have always sold well out here in Kansas City. They were pretty much taping into the same market that the South was. People in the midwest love that shit, even though I think the Northern Cali shit weak compared to LA; maybe that's why fans here like it because they have no taste in music.
But anyway, I agree with your points to some degree. Snoop's presence really helped the Dogg Food album sell. Kurupt and Daz have always been like Snoop's homies, and have had a hard time shining on their own. I was watching Snoop's new REINCARNATION documentary and Daz is just getting high as fuck and playing around, while Snoop's like trying to make profound statements about his life and career. Snoop's vision and character has always just loomed so much larger.
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when are you going to listen to Brotha Lynch Hung? the guy you pretend is a Bay Area cat when me and Sccit tried to tell you he was from Sac-town
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"RRGB" had that polished, went through a gang of engineers sound. which is great, thats what death row was doin at the time...but "Raw" was more, how should i say this, RAW.......it aint got that polished death row sound, but some of those tracks go in hard as fuck. "RRGB" was way more catchy and u can tell it was made to be commercially successful. depending on the day, i may prefer either or.
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most but not all of raw was recorded at can am studios utiling deathrows resources those are the masters he bounced withwhen he elft
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most but not all of raw was recorded at can am studios utiling deathrows resources those are the masters he bounced withwhen he elft
thats why the sound aint as polished, he was left with raw material to mix/master himself witout all the death row engineers.
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when are you going to listen to Brotha Lynch Hung? the guy you pretend is a Bay Area cat when me and Sccit tried to tell you he was from Sac-town
Bay Area and Sac-town are pretty much the same thing in rap, are they not?
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"RRGB" had that polished, went through a gang of engineers sound. which is great, thats what death row was doin at the time...but "Raw" was more, how should i say this, RAW.......it aint got that polished death row sound, but some of those tracks go in hard as fuck. "RRGB" was way more catchy and u can tell it was made to be commercially successful. depending on the day, i may prefer either or.
Yeah.. that sounds about more right. I do prefer the more "polished" sound. But I think "polished" is a better word then saying "it wasn't as gangsta". Because RRAGB goes hard as fuck as far as gangsta rap is concerned. It would be hard to get any more gangsta than RRAGB. Just because an album is "Raw" and "un-polished" doesn't make it more gangsta.
The Chronic is one of the most polished albums of all-time and it is also the most gangsta album of all time.
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"RRGB" had that polished, went through a gang of engineers sound. which is great, thats what death row was doin at the time...but "Raw" was more, how should i say this, RAW.......it aint got that polished death row sound, but some of those tracks go in hard as fuck. "RRGB" was way more catchy and u can tell it was made to be commercially successful. depending on the day, i may prefer either or.
Yeah.. that sounds about more right. I do prefer the more "polished" sound. But I think "polished" is a better word then saying "it wasn't as gangsta". Because RRAGB goes hard as fuck as far as gangsta rap is concerned. It would be hard to get any more gangsta than RRAGB. Just because an album is "Raw" and "un-polished" doesn't make it more gangsta.
The Chronic is one of the most polished albums of all-time and it is also the most gangsta album of all time.
by more gangsta i mean less targeted towards commercial success...songs like "i thank god for my life" and "might sound crazy" etc, while still gangsta rap, are sung with more of a pop-like tune, which is dope because thats what death row was doin at the time, but in turn that shit makes it appeal more to a mainstream crowd, whereas an album like "raw" has absolutely nothing that can please a mainstream crowd, yadig?
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by more gangsta i mean less targeted towards commercial success...songs like "i thank god for my life" and "might sound crazy" etc, while still gangsta rap, are sung with more of a pop-like tune, which is dope because thats what death row was doin at the time, but in turn that shit makes it appeal more to a mainstream crowd, whereas an album like "raw" has absolutely nothing that can please a mainstream crowd, yadig?
I under-dig homie 8)
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dillinger and young gotti > RRGB
allday.
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That first beat after the intro is G as fuck.
Fuck yeah! too bad the into and the track were one in the same cos they talk shit for ages before the beat drops in.
I like "Oh No" from that album
Pretty cool track.
raw is daz best solo but this is almost as good.
thx god for my life sounds real stupid 15 years later, actually it sounded pretty stupid then.
I like RAW, some GREAT tracks but i honestly thought it was over rated when it came out. And iam a big DPG fan.
Yeah man, that song was just embarrassing! lol i was pretty young then and it was just lame and gay as fuck. i dont mind it so much now but yeah...
dillinger and young gotti > RRGB
allday.
OOoh, big call. BUT yeah, that is a great fucking album!
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"RRGB" had that polished, went through a gang of engineers sound. which is great, thats what death row was doin at the time...but "Raw" was more, how should i say this, RAW.......it aint got that polished death row sound, but some of those tracks go in hard as fuck. "RRGB" was way more catchy and u can tell it was made to be commercially successful. depending on the day, i may prefer either or.
Yeah.. that sounds about more right. I do prefer the more "polished" sound. But I think "polished" is a better word then saying "it wasn't as gangsta". Because RRAGB goes hard as fuck as far as gangsta rap is concerned. It would be hard to get any more gangsta than RRAGB. Just because an album is "Raw" and "un-polished" doesn't make it more gangsta.
The Chronic is one of the most polished albums of all-time and it is also the most gangsta album of all time.
by more gangsta i mean less targeted towards commercial success...songs like "i thank god for my life" and "might sound crazy" etc, while still gangsta rap, are sung with more of a pop-like tune, which is dope because thats what death row was doin at the time, but in turn that shit makes it appeal more to a mainstream crowd, whereas an album like "raw" has absolutely nothing that can please a mainstream crowd, yadig?
Feels Good can defnitely please a mainstream crowd. Feel good vibe, dope Kool & The Gang sample, and Daz & Kurupt kill it. In fact I think Feels Good is a better single choice (and song) than In California.
It's a common misconception to think that R.A.W. is a 100% dark album but in fact it has a few laid back/feel good type of songs and a few upbeat fun songs as well, such as : One Nine (with Lil C Style) - Who's Knoccin' at my Door - What It Iz (it's a Snoop diss but the beat is chill as can be) - on da grind (uplifting song) - movin' around (feat. Slip Capone) - Agony (Latoiya's solo) - Feels Good - Backstabbers (summertime track with Mark Morrison and a dope beat). so overall that's 8 songs out of 21 (18 without the skits), so a good portion of R.A.W. isn't that dark.
damn i think ima play the album right now lol, it's been years. it was my favorite daz album growing up before RRGB but I think RRGB has aged better.
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"RRGB" had that polished, went through a gang of engineers sound. which is great, thats what death row was doin at the time...but "Raw" was more, how should i say this, RAW.......it aint got that polished death row sound, but some of those tracks go in hard as fuck. "RRGB" was way more catchy and u can tell it was made to be commercially successful. depending on the day, i may prefer either or.
Yeah.. that sounds about more right. I do prefer the more "polished" sound. But I think "polished" is a better word then saying "it wasn't as gangsta". Because RRAGB goes hard as fuck as far as gangsta rap is concerned. It would be hard to get any more gangsta than RRAGB. Just because an album is "Raw" and "un-polished" doesn't make it more gangsta.
The Chronic is one of the most polished albums of all-time and it is also the most gangsta album of all time.
by more gangsta i mean less targeted towards commercial success...songs like "i thank god for my life" and "might sound crazy" etc, while still gangsta rap, are sung with more of a pop-like tune, which is dope because thats what death row was doin at the time, but in turn that shit makes it appeal more to a mainstream crowd, whereas an album like "raw" has absolutely nothing that can please a mainstream crowd, yadig?
Feels Good can defnitely please a mainstream crowd. Feel good vibe, dope Kool & The Gang sample, and Daz & Kurupt kill it. In fact I think Feels Good is a better single choice (and song) than In California.
It's a common misconception to think that R.A.W. is a 100% dark album but in fact it has a few laid back/feel good type of songs and a few upbeat fun songs as well, such as : One Nine (with Lil C Style) - Who's Knoccin' at my Door - What It Iz (it's a Snoop diss but the beat is chill as can be) - on da grind (uplifting song) - movin' around (feat. Slip Capone) - Agony (Latoiya's solo) - Feels Good - Backstabbers (summertime track with Mark Morrison and a dope beat). so overall that's 8 songs out of 21 (18 without the skits), so a good portion of R.A.W. isn't that dark.
damn i think ima play the album right now lol, it's been years. it was my favorite daz album growing up before RRGB but I think RRGB has aged better.
no, didnt say it was more dark...i said it was more raw and less commercial. of course, there are the commercial cuts, but in comparison to "RRGB", which seemingly was made to be commercially successful from top-to-bottom, raw is the album with less mainstream appeal.
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dillinger and young gotti > RRGB
allday.
i agree with this too...D&YG is a west coast classic...the 2nd best dogg pound album. still remember the day it dropped back in middle-school, had the mexican homie ernesto cop it for me 8)
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Raw was dope as hell, Life I Lead was pretty dope to. I don't remember much of RRGB, I gotta go back and listen to that one.
I know I'm probably the only person that feel this way doggpound 2002 > Dillinger and young gotti. Doggpound 2002 was my shit, was in my rotation everyday for summer school and the 12th grade.
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Raw was dope as hell, Life I Lead was pretty dope to. I don't remember much of RRGB, I gotta go back and listen to that one.
I know I'm probably the only person that feel this way doggpound 2002 > Dillinger and young gotti. Doggpound 2002 was my shit, was in my rotation everyday for summer school and the 12th grade.
"2002" was a great album, as well, but imo "D&YG" was better
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Raw was dope as hell, Life I Lead was pretty dope to. I don't remember much of RRGB, I gotta go back and listen to that one.
I know I'm probably the only person that feel this way doggpound 2002 > Dillinger and young gotti. Doggpound 2002 was my shit, was in my rotation everyday for summer school and the 12th grade.
"2002" was a great album, as well, but imo "D&YG" was better
I agree. 2002 had dope Death Row shit, but they were basically leftover, unreleased tracks (for the most part) that were thrown together. Dillinger & Young Gotti sounded more like an album put together that way on purpose.
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Raw was dope as hell, Life I Lead was pretty dope to. I don't remember much of RRGB, I gotta go back and listen to that one.
I know I'm probably the only person that feel this way doggpound 2002 > Dillinger and young gotti. Doggpound 2002 was my shit, was in my rotation everyday for summer school and the 12th grade.
"2002" was a great album, as well, but imo "D&YG" was better
I agree. 2002 had dope Death Row shit, but they were basically leftover, unreleased tracks (for the most part) that were thrown together. Dillinger & Young Gotti sounded more like an album put together that way on purpose.
some peeps prefer 2002 to DIlli & GOtti (Hack & Will B i think among others). I've always said Dilli & Gotti was their best shit after Dogg Food by far. Mike Dean did wonders on that album. I remember when I bought it in 2002 i would play the track with Xzibit on repeat lol.
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Raw was dope as hell, Life I Lead was pretty dope to. I don't remember much of RRGB, I gotta go back and listen to that one.
I know I'm probably the only person that feel this way doggpound 2002 > Dillinger and young gotti. Doggpound 2002 was my shit, was in my rotation everyday for summer school and the 12th grade.
"2002" was a great album, as well, but imo "D&YG" was better
I agree. 2002 had dope Death Row shit, but they were basically leftover, unreleased tracks (for the most part) that were thrown together. Dillinger & Young Gotti sounded more like an album put together that way on purpose.
some peeps prefer 2002 to DIlli & GOtti (Hack & Will B i think among others). I've always said Dilli & Gotti was their best shit after Dogg Food by far. Mike Dean did wonders on that album. I remember when I bought it in 2002 i would play the track with Xzibit on repeat lol.
yea, "2002" even had a couple raw cuts from "D&YG" without the additional mike dean production.
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Mike Dean really put a cool spin on the production. Frankly Daz's shit was starting to get old. I wish I had ripped the album -- I remember I accidentally broke the CD maybe ten years ago.
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In California didn't blow because it wasn't a good enough track, it's a caricature of a westcoast themed song to me
yeah , same here. the song always sounded really forced to me. and the generic female vocals in the chorus didnīt help, itīs like he took an old gangsta rap hit formula and tried to make it a california theme song. apparently it worked for some but i just canīt find any heart in that song.
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In California didn't blow because it wasn't a good enough track, it's a caricature of a westcoast themed song to me
yeah , same here. the song always sounded really forced to me. and the generic female vocals in the chorus didnīt help, itīs like he took an old gangsta rap hit formula and tried to make it a california theme song. apparently it worked for some but i just canīt find any heart in that song.
There were other songs to promote on the album. Ridin' High could have been a dope single choice, with a video shot properly. It Might Sound Crazy should have had a decent video instead of this "Do For Love"-sque video. Same for R.A.W., I love the R.A.W. video and it gives an accurate glimpse of what the album is about but if Daz wanted to promote his album right (which I'm sure he did), he should have shot a video for "Feels Good" with Latoiya and Kurupt, but I guess at the time he didn't have the budget to shoot that type of videos, the R.A.W. video is street as fuck and must have cost him $0. I guess he was outta money by then and he made a lot money with R.A.W. which enabled him to shoot a decent video for Coastin'.
yea, "2002" even had a couple raw cuts from "D&YG" without the additional mike dean production.
Actually, D&YG is mostly Death Row material that Daz "stole" when he left and remixed it with Mike Dean's help, that album was mixed in a garage lmao (literally). I like Crip Wit Me from 2002 better than Dip With Me but "We Livin Gangsta Like" is far superior to " Living Gangsta Life" which is really an unfinished production (which still sounds catchy) with a shorter Xzibit verse.
Mike Dean really put a cool spin on the production. Frankly Daz's shit was starting to get old. I wish I had ripped the album -- I remember I accidentally broke the CD maybe ten years ago.
Mike Dean really added his touch to the albums he helped produce, you can hear the crazy riffs and rich instrumentation on Dillinger & Young Gotti, This is the Life I Lead and Daz & Pac's Don't Go To Sleep. First 2 Bomb is even better than Pac's original (already produced by Daz). It's a shame he split with Daz, but I guess it's was for the best for him since he's been on Kanye's production team for a while and producing for the likes of A$AP Rocky. But he seemed to genuinely like working with the DPG though. Mike Dean has to be among the most underrated producers,people don't know the classics he has under his belt for Rap-a-Lot, the music he produced for DPG and the work he's been putting in for Kanye, I bet they think Kanye produced songs like Devil in a new Dress...
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yea, i know the whole story..i prefer the versions on "d&yg" for both tracks
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Mike Dean really added his touch to the albums he helped produce, you can hear the crazy riffs and rich instrumentation on Dillinger & Young Gotti, This is the Life I Lead and Daz & Pac's Don't Go To Sleep. First 2 Bomb is even better than Pac's original (already produced by Daz). It's a shame he split with Daz, but I guess it's was for the best for him since he's been on Kanye's production team for a while and producing for the likes of A$AP Rocky. But he seemed to genuinely like working with the DPG though. Mike Dean has to be among the most underrated producers,people don't know the classics he has under his belt for Rap-a-Lot, the music he produced for DPG and the work he's been putting in for Kanye, I bet they think Kanye produced songs like Devil in a new Dress...
Where did you hear that Daz produced the First 2 Bomb OG? I never heard that before, and it doesn't sound like a Daz beat at all.
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i read that on a forum when the remix dropped in 02 or 03, and I think Pac even mentions Daz in the lyrics... so I just assumed he produced it.
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When i heard RRAGB it was when i was in college 10 years ago, i loved the album to death and at that time i used to like daz much better than kurupt and i still have a soft spot for daz over kurupt in his rapping style but not the south crap his makes nowadays, anyway i remember me and my friend was in a store and out the blue R.A.W. was lying on the shelf, i didn't have the money to buy it, so my friend quickly bought it for Ģ19 we both went home and i was so envy of him that he had the privilege to listen to it before me, next day he comes to my house and says i recorded 4 tracks of it u can listen to it on your hi-fi but u can't make a copy of it, and im thinking what the fuck kind of friend is this guy :) the first track was whatcha talkin bout and hearing it, it blew my mind. i kept begging him please sell it to me and he was refusing so i made him a offer saying i'll give u Ģ25 for it, he agreed but i never had the money for so i went and stole Ģ25 from my brothers wallet and it was the best thieving ever :) and yes i do prefer RAW than RRAGB.
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When i heard RRAGB it was when i was in college 10 years ago, i loved the album to death and at that time i used to like daz much better than kurupt and i still have a soft spot for daz over kurupt in his rapping style but not the south crap his makes nowadays, anyway i remember me and my friend was in a store and out the blue R.A.W. was lying on the shelf, i didn't have the money to buy it, so my friend quickly bought it for Ģ19 we both went home and i was so envy of him that he had the privilege to listen to it before me, next day he comes to my house and says i recorded 4 tracks of it u can listen to it on your hi-fi but u can't make a copy of it, and im thinking what the fuck kind of friend is this guy :) the first track was whatcha talkin bout and hearing it, it blew my mind. i kept begging him please sell it to me and he was refusing so i made him a offer saying i'll give u Ģ25 for it, he agreed but i never had the money for so i went and stole Ģ25 from my brothers wallet and it was the best thieving ever :) and yes i do prefer RAW than RRAGB.
wait wtf? he wouldnt just burn it for u??
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Initiated should have been the lead single. I think "In California" was if I remember correctly...not a bad song, Daz solo w/ Jewell. But yeah anything with 2pac on a single at the time would have blown. Follow up w/ OGs and it could have easily went gold if not platinum.
I don't know if I'd agree with Initiated being the LEAD single, but it definitely should've been a focus of the album in terms of marketing. It wouldn't have been a problem. Even with Pac and Kadafi being dead at that time, the Outlawz were still technically signed to Death Row, so I don't think they'd have had a problem with making guest appearances in a music video, except for Fatal (who didn't sign and wasn't in LA anymore anyway).
On that topic, Jack Move would've been a dope song to put on this also.
In California was pretty generic, and Daz's name alone wasn't gonna get a gold record. People were going nuts for any 2pac features at that time. People forget that "Changes" came out in 99 and that song was #1 for months. From a record sales standpoint, it should have absolutely been the lead single, would have got Daz recognition by a lot of peeps that never heard of him. Regardless who could appear in the vid etc, if anyone on the song didn't want to be in the vid, cut their verses, replace them, whatever simple as.
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When i heard RRAGB it was when i was in college 10 years ago, i loved the album to death and at that time i used to like daz much better than kurupt and i still have a soft spot for daz over kurupt in his rapping style but not the south crap his makes nowadays, anyway i remember me and my friend was in a store and out the blue R.A.W. was lying on the shelf, i didn't have the money to buy it, so my friend quickly bought it for Ģ19 we both went home and i was so envy of him that he had the privilege to listen to it before me, next day he comes to my house and says i recorded 4 tracks of it u can listen to it on your hi-fi but u can't make a copy of it, and im thinking what the fuck kind of friend is this guy :) the first track was whatcha talkin bout and hearing it, it blew my mind. i kept begging him please sell it to me and he was refusing so i made him a offer saying i'll give u Ģ25 for it, he agreed but i never had the money for so i went and stole Ģ25 from my brothers wallet and it was the best thieving ever :) and yes i do prefer RAW than RRAGB.
wait wtf? he wouldnt just burn it for u??
lol nope he was a new friend i met in college it was about a year i knew him, i always bring that day up to him even today and he always apologizes for what he did back than, his my best friend now for about 10-11 years str8. we met in a i.t. class because he saw i was looking at 2pac stuff on the internet and internet was a new thing back than, so after college we ended up chatting all the way to my house about doggystyle album and daz and kurupt in general. and even on the first day i met him i burned doggystyle album and 2pac's first 2 albums for him just by knowing for 1 day, thats y i didn't understand why he didn't give me raw till this day. i was really obsessed with daz dillingers music, at one point i was ready to even pay Ģ500 for JT And Daz album, phew! thank god i didn't because those where the two albums that i could tell daz was losing his shit. which was a sad day for daz's career from that day on for me.
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. i was really obsessed with daz dillingers music, at one point i was ready to even pay Ģ500 for JT And Daz album, phew!
lol alias ?
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. i was really obsessed with daz dillingers music, at one point i was ready to even pay Ģ500 for JT And Daz album, phew!
lol alias ?
i dont understand sir what is alias?
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. i was really obsessed with daz dillingers music, at one point i was ready to even pay Ģ500 for JT And Daz album, phew!
lol alias ?
i dont understand sir what is alias?
he thinks you are trolling us
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When i heard RRAGB it was when i was in college 10 years ago, i loved the album to death and at that time i used to like daz much better than kurupt and i still have a soft spot for daz over kurupt in his rapping style but not the south crap his makes nowadays, anyway i remember me and my friend was in a store and out the blue R.A.W. was lying on the shelf, i didn't have the money to buy it, so my friend quickly bought it for Ģ19 we both went home and i was so envy of him that he had the privilege to listen to it before me, next day he comes to my house and says i recorded 4 tracks of it u can listen to it on your hi-fi but u can't make a copy of it, and im thinking what the fuck kind of friend is this guy :) the first track was whatcha talkin bout and hearing it, it blew my mind. i kept begging him please sell it to me and he was refusing so i made him a offer saying i'll give u Ģ25 for it, he agreed but i never had the money for so i went and stole Ģ25 from my brothers wallet and it was the best thieving ever :) and yes i do prefer RAW than RRAGB.
wait wtf? he wouldnt just burn it for u??
lol nope he was a new friend i met in college it was about a year i knew him, i always bring that day up to him even today and he always apologizes for what he did back than, his my best friend now for about 10-11 years str8. we met in a i.t. class because he saw i was looking at 2pac stuff on the internet and internet was a new thing back than, so after college we ended up chatting all the way to my house about doggystyle album and daz and kurupt in general. and even on the first day i met him i burned doggystyle album and 2pac's first 2 albums for him just by knowing for 1 day, thats y i didn't understand why he didn't give me raw till this day. i was really obsessed with daz dillingers music, at one point i was ready to even pay Ģ500 for JT And Daz album, phew! thank god i didn't because those where the two albums that i could tell daz was losing his shit. which was a sad day for daz's career from that day on for me.
Haha that's a funny story. Glad you finally got your hands on it.
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. i was really obsessed with daz dillingers music, at one point i was ready to even pay Ģ500 for JT And Daz album, phew!
lol alias ?
i dont understand sir what is alias?
he thinks you are trolling us
trolling nah man im too old for that stuff, if i did troll someone it would be someone in real life, not people on the internet who i dont know :)