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Islam What Do U Think About It?
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Let me see what non-muslims in history said about the Prophet of Islam.
MUHAMMAD, No. 1
The 100, a Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History
by Michael H. Hart
My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels. Of humble origins, Muhammad founded and promulgated one of the world's great religions, and became an immensely effective political leader. Today, thirteen centuries after his death, his influence is still powerful and pervasive. The majority of the persons in this book had the advantage of being born and raised in centers of civilization, highly cultured or politically pivotal nations. Muhammad, however, was born in the year 570, in the city of Mecca, in southern Arabia, at that time a backward area of the world, far from the centers of trade, art, and learning. Orphaned at age six, he was reared in modest surroundings. Islamic tradition tells us that he was illiterate. His economic position improved when, at age twenty-five, he married a wealthy widow. Nevertheless, as he approached forty, there was little outward indication that he was a remarkable person. Most Arabs at that time were pagans, who believed in many gods. There were, however, in Mecca, a small number of Jews and Christians; it was from them no doubt that Muhammad first learned of a single, omnipotent God who ruled the entire universe. When he was forty years old, Muhammad became convinced that this one true God (Allah) was speaking to him, and had chosen him to spread the true faith. For three years, Muhammad preached only to close friends and associates. Then, about 613, he began preaching in public. As he slowly gained converts, the Meccan authorities came to consider him a dangerous nuisance. In 622, fearing for his safety, Muhammad fled to Medina (a city some 200 miles north of Mecca), where he had been offered a position of considerable political power. This flight, called the Hegira, was the turning point of the Prophet's life. In Mecca, he had had few followers. In Medina, he had many more, and he soon acquired an influence that made him a virtual dictator. During the next few years, while Muhammad's following grew rapidly, a series of battles were fought between Medina and Mecca. This was ended in 630 with Muhammad's triumphant return to Mecca as conqueror. The remaining two and one-half years of his life witnessed the rapid conversion of the Arab tribes to the new religion.
When Muhammad died, in 632, he was the effective ruler of all of southern Arabia. The Bedouin tribesmen of Arabia had a reputation as fierce warriors. But their number was small; and plagued by disunity and internecine warfare, they had been no match for the larger armies of the kingdoms in the settled agricultural areas to the north. However, unified by Muhammad for the first time in history, and inspired by their fervent belief in the one true God, these small Arab armies now embarked upon one of the most astonishing series of conquests in human history. To the northeast of Arabia lay the large Neo-Persian Empire of the Sassanids; to the northwest lay the Byzantine, or Eastern Roman Empire, centered in Constantinople. Numerically, the Arabs were no match for their opponents. On the field of battle, though, the inspired Arabs rapidly conquered all of Mesopotamia, Syria, and Palestine. By 642, Egypt had been wrested from the Byzantine Empire, while the Persian armies had been crushed at the key battles of Qadisiya in 637, and Nehavend in 642. But even these enormous conquests, which were made under the leadership of Muhammad's close friends and immediate successors, Ali, Abu Bakr and 'Umar ibn al-Khattab, did not mark the end of the Arab advance. By 711, the Arab armies had swept completely across North Africa to the Atlantic Ocean There they turned north and, crossing the Strait of Gibraltar, overwhelmed the Visigothic kingdom in Spain.
For a while, it must have seemed that the Moslems would overwhelm all of Christian Europe. However, in 732, at the famous Battle of Tours, a Moslem army, which had advanced into the center of France, was at last defeated by the Franks. Nevertheless, in a scant century of fighting, these Bedouin tribesmen, inspired by the word of the Prophet, had carved out an empire stretching from the borders of India to the Atlantic Ocean-the largest empire that the world had yet seen. And everywhere that the armies conquered, large-scale conversion to the new faith eventually followed. Now, not all of these conquests proved permanent. The Persians, though they have remained faithful to the religion of the Prophet, have since regained their independence from the Arabs. And in Spain, more than seven centuries of warfare, finally resulted in the Christians reconquering the entire peninsula. However, Mesopotamia and Egypt, the two cradles of ancient civilization, have remained Moslem, as has the entire coast of North Africa. The new religion, of course, continued to spread, in the intervening centuries, far beyond the borders of the original Moslem conquests. Currently it has tens of millions of adherents in Africa and Central Asia and even more in Pakistan and northern India, and in Indonesia. In Indonesia, the new faith has been a unifying factor. In the Indian subcontinent, however, the conflict between Moslems and Hindus is still a major obstacle to unity.
How, then, is one to assess the overall impact of Muhammad on human history? Like all religions, Islam exerts an enormous influence upon the lives of its followers. It is for this reason that the founders of the world's great religions all figure prominently in this book. Since there are roughly twice as many Christians as Moslems in the world, it may initially seem strange that Muhammad has been ranked higher than Jesus. There are two principal reasons for that decision. First, Muhammad played a far more important role in the development of Islam than Jesus did in the development of Christianity. Although Jesus was responsible for the main ethical and moral precepts of Christianity (insofar as these differed from Judaism), St. Paul was the main developer of Christian theology, its principal proselytizer, and the author of a large portion of the New Testament. Muhammad, however, was responsible for both the theology of Islam and its main ethical and moral principles. In addition, he played the key role in proselytizing the new faith, and in establishing the religious practices of Islam. Moreover, he is the author of the Moslem holy scriptures, the Koran, a collection of certain of Muhammad's insights that he believed had been directly revealed to him by Allah. Most of these utterances were copied more or less faithfully during Muhammad's lifetime and were collected together in authoritative form not long after his death. The Koran therefore, closely represents Muhammad's ideas and teachings and to a considerable extent his exact words. No such detailed compilation of the teachings of Christ has survived. Since the Koran is at least as important to Moslems as the Bible is to Christians, the influence of Muhammad through the medium of the Koran has been enormous. It is probable that the relative influence of Muhammad on Islam has been larger than the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity.
On the purely religious level, then, it seems likely that Muhammad has been as influential in human history as Jesus. Furthermore, Muhammad (unlike Jesus) was a secular as well as a religious leader. In fact, as the driving force behind the Arab conquests, he may well rank as the most influential political leader of all time. Of many important historical events, one might say that they were inevitable and would have occurred even without the particular political leader who guided them. For example, the South American colonies would probably have won their independence from Spain even if Simon Bolivar had never lived. But this cannot be said of the Arab conquests. Nothing similar had occurred before Muhammad, and there is no reason to believe that the conquests would have been achieved without him. The only comparable conquests in human history are those of the Mongols in the thirteenth century, which were primarily due to the influence of Genghis Khan. These conquests, however, though more extensive than those of the Arabs, did not prove permanent, and today the only areas occupied by the Mongols are those that they held prior to the time of Genghis Khan. It is far different with the conquests of the Arabs. From Iraq to Morocco, there extends a whole chain of Moslem nations united not merely by their faith in Islam, but also by their Arabic language, history, and culture.
The centrality of the Koran in the Moslem religion and the fact that it is written in Arabic have probably prevented the Arab language from breaking up into mutually unintelligible dialects, which might otherwise have occurred in the intervening thirteen centuries. Differences and divisions between these Arab states exist, of course, and they are considerable, but the partial disunity should not blind us to the important elements of unity that have continued to exist. For instance, neither Iran nor Indonesia, both oil-producing states and both Islamic in religion joined in the oil embargo of the winter of 1973-74. It is no coincidence that all of the Arab states, and only the Arab states, participated in the embargo. We see, then, that the Arab conquests of the seventh century have continued to play an important role in human history, down to the present day. It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most influential single figure in human history.
The following is from Michael Hart's book and lists Prophet Muhammad as the most influential man in History. A Citadel Press Book, published by Carol Publishing Group
Ranking, list of 100 most influential persons in history:
Prophet Muhammad
Isaac Newton
Jesus Christ
Buddha
Confucius
St. Paul
Ts'ai Lun
Johann Gutenberg
Christopher Columbus
Albert Einstein
Karl Marx
Louis Pasteur
Galileo Galilei
Aristotle
Lenin
Moses
Charles Darwin
Shih Huang Ti
Augustus Caesar
Mao Tse-tung
Genghis Khan
Euclid
Martin Luther
Nicolaus Copernicus
James Watt
Constantine the Great
George Washington
Michael Faraday
James Clerk Maxwell
Orville Wright and Wilbur Wright
Antoine Laurent Lavoisier
Sigmund Freud
Alexander the Great
Napoleon Bonaparte
Adolf Hitler
William Shakespeare
Adam Smith
Thomas Edison
Anthony van Leeuwenhoek
Plato
Guglielmo Marconi
Ludwig van Beethoven
Werner Heisenberb
Alexander Graham Bell
Alexander Fleming
Simon Bolivar
Oliver Cromwell
John Locke
Michelangelo
Pope Urban II
Umar ibn al-Khattab
Asoka
St. Augustine
Max Planck
John Calvin
William T.G. Morton
William Harvey
Antoine Henri Becquerel
Gregor Mendel
Joseph Lister
Nikolaus August Otto
Louis Daguerre
Joseph Stalin
Rene Descartes
Julius Caesar
Francisco Pizarro
Hernando Cortes
Queen Isabella I
William the Conqueror
Thomas Jefferson
Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Edward Jenner
Wilhelm Conrad Rontgen
Hohann Sebastian Bach
Lao Tzu
Enrico Fermi
Thomas Malthus
Francis Bacon
Voltaire
John F. Kennedy
Gregory Pincus
Sui Wen Ti
Mani
Vasco da Gama
Charlemagne
Cyprus the Great
Leonhard Euler
Niccolo Machiavelli
Zoroaster
Menes
Peter the Great
Mencius
John Dalton
Homer
Queen Elizabeth
Justinian I
fJohannes Kepler
Pablo Picasso
Mahavira
Niels Bohr
Honorable Mentions and Interesting Misses:
St. Thomas Aquinas
Archimedes
Charles Babbage
Cheops
Marie Curie
Benjamin Franklin
Gandhi
Abraham Lincoln
Ferdinand Magellan
Leonardo da Vinci
The non-Muslim verdict on Muhammad (PBUH) If a man like Muhamed were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness.
George Bernard Shaw
People like Pasteur and Salk are leaders in the first sense. People like Gandhi and Confucius, on one hand, and Alexander, Caesar and Hitler on the other, are leaders in the second and perhaps the third sense. Jesus and Buddha belong in the third category alone. Perhaps the greatest leader of all times was Mohammed, who combined all three functions. To a lesser degree, Moses did the same.
Professor Jules Masserman
Head of the State as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but, he was Pope without the Pope's pretensions, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a police force, without a fixed revenue. If ever a man had the right to say that he ruled by a right divine, it was Muhummed, for he had all the powers without their supports. He cared not for the dressings of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life.
Rev. R. Bosworth-Smith
Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him.
Diwan Chand Sharma, The Prophets of the East, Calcutta 1935, p. l 22.
Four years after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born at Mecca, in Arabia the man who, of all men exercised the greatest influence upon the human race . . . Mohammed . . .
John William Draper, M.D., L.L.D., A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe, London 1875, Vol. 1, pp. 329-330
In little more than a year he was actually the spiritual, nominal and temporal rule of Medina, with his hands on the lever that was to shake the world.
John Austin, "Muhammad the Prophet of Allah," in T.P. 's and Cassel's Weekly for 24th September 1927.
Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Warrior, Conqueror of ideas Restorer of rational beliefs, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammed. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?
Lamartine, Historie de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol. 11 pp. 276-2727
It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher.
Annie Besant, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad, Madras 1932, p. 4
Muhummed is the most successful of all Prophets and religious personalities.
Encyclopedia Britannica
I have studied him - the wonderful man - and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ he must be called the saviour of humanity.
George Bernard Shaw in "The Genuine Islam"
By a fortune absolutely unique in history, Mohammed is a threefold founder of a nation, of an empire, and of a religion.
Rev. R. Bosworth-Smith in "Mohammed and Mohammedanism 1946."
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Short Answer: No.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/)
I'm sure there will be some long winded diatribes from the brainwashed on here that will try and tell you otherwise.
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Any Of Yall Have Some Personal Experience With Followers Of Religion Of Peace?
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Like many religions an other groups, there are good and bad and Islam is the same.
With regards to Islam, i'm no expert but there are various schools of thought ranging from the more spiritual/mystic side of Sufism to the extremist, intolerant Wahabi side.
I also like to separate 'muslims' from Islam/the Koran. I've met some very cool muslims & some of them are my friends, but in reality they don't practice it and are muslims by culture. Then you have the muslims who are really religious and i find them the most intolerant and dangerous in their way of thinking.
The problem is that the moderate muslims that many people will find ok aren't harcore muslims, and if they do practice it, it's usually an interpreted version where the translations are more suited for westerners.
From some of the passages that i've read that have been translated to English, it's very hard to put a positive spin on, but so-called scholars tried to explain it away saying that it's not been interpreted correctly or it's taken out of context.
Also the double standards ie. Men can have up to 4 wives and have 72 virgins in heaven, but do women have the same deal?
The prophet Mohammed and Aisha etc
I just look at the Muslim countries or where they are a high % of them and unfortunately see hat it leads to.
It's very interesting looking up some apostates view like Ali Salina, and the son of the Hamas leader who now is an apostate
There's also a problem of muslim sexual grooming of young girls in England, and 'Love Jihad' not just in England but also in India & Kashmir and some seem to justify it as ok by the Koran.
Although the same can be said with other religions, Koran seems to justify the bad aspects much much more
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The non-Muslim verdict on Muhammad (PBUH) If a man like Muhamed were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness.
You're a delusional man. :D :laugh:
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was 2pac on that list of most influential men? if not, that list is bullshit.
ima tell jafar to find u bruh
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The non-Muslim verdict on Muhammad (PBUH) If a man like Muhamed were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness.
You're a delusional man. :D :laugh:
That was not me saying it... it was George Bernard Shaw.
He said dictatorship in his time where it did not have a negative impact.
If he would use today's language he would have said, head of state.
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ima tell jafar to find u bruh
jafar or jahar (the boston-bomber)?
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Islam What Do U Think About It?
I have been a Muslim for 13 years now. Islam is a beautiful religion, and it is rooted in truth, as it is not a religion named after any person, place or time; but rather it is the religion of the creation submitting to the Creator. The sun and the moon are both "Muslim" because they submit to the Creator and follow the course prescribed by the Creator.
Islam is also a deep spiritual practice, as it involves 5 daily prayers, fasting, and a once in a life time pilgrimage to Mekkah. All acts of worship that challenge the believer throughout their life, and inspire them to seek knowledge and achieve discipline.
To answer your first question, Islam is both peaceful and violent. Islam is peaceful in the sense that through it's meditation (thikr), it's prayers, and other practices it brings peace of mind to the believer. However, there are verses in the Qu'ran that suggest a right to self-defense...
5:45
We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what God hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers.
^^You see how the above verse appears to allow a violent response yet at the same time encourages peace?
If you are interested in Islam or becoming a Muslim there is a supplication that you can make to Allah. Basically asking God to guide you to the right decision, and if God puts something into your heart, then it becomes your responsibility to act upon it...
2:186
When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.
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Islam What Do U Think About It?
I have been a Muslim for 13 years now. Islam is a beautiful religion, and it is rooted in truth, as it is not a religion named after any person, place or time; but rather it is the religion of the creation submitting to the Creator. The sun and the moon are both "Muslim" because they submit to the Creator and follow the course prescribed by the Creator.
Islam is also a deep spiritual practice, as it involves 5 daily prayers, fasting, and a once in a life time pilgrimage to Mekkah. All acts of worship that challenge the believer throughout their life, and inspire them to seek knowledge and achieve discipline.
To answer your first question, Islam is both peaceful and violent. Islam is peaceful in the sense that through it's meditation (thikr), it's prayers, and other practices it brings peace of mind to the believer. However, there are verses in the Qu'ran that suggest a right to self-defense...
5:45
We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what God hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers.
^^You see how the above verse appears to allow a violent response yet at the same time encourages peace?
If you are interested in Islam or becoming a Muslim there is a supplication that you can make to Allah. Basically asking God to guide you to the right decision, and if God puts something into your heart, then it becomes your responsibility to act upon it...
2:186
When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.
What About Jihad And What YOU Think About It?
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What About Jihad And What YOU Think About It?
2:190
You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.
^^As you can see from the above verse, and others like it, Jihad is a legit part of the religion in Islam. It's hard to get a straight answer these days from Muslims on Jihad, because even saying the word "Jihad" could get you in trouble these days.
Most any "Jihad" since WW1 has been an underground operation (as the Muslim world was mostly colonized and broken into Nations). There was a time in the 80's when the Russians were in Afghanistan that Muslims around the the world could openly claim "Jihad" because at that time the United States and the United Nations were in support of any efforts to remove Russia from the region. But that's a very rare case, post WW1.
Before WW1 "Jihad" was more organized and openly discussed. Because prior to WW1 the Muslims always had a Kalifah (Islamic World Leader) who could declare Jihad and thus make it incumbent upon any Muslims all over the world. But since the Ottoman Empire fell in WW1 there is no clear Islamic ruler or Islamic leader, so Muslims are pretty much making all their own decisions in that regard.
As for me myself, I'm actually a Libertarian politically and Jihad is a part of the religion that I don't follow. But I'm not going to lie and try to be all PC and bullshit with you and spin words to make it sound like it's not a part of the religion and that Islam is all peace.
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There are two types of Jihad.
Jihad anafs - Struggle of the soul.
That is an jihad that every one is engaged in.. even you non-muslims.
you are doing Jihad anafs.
What is it. It is your every day struggle to do right and stay away from the bad.
Like if you see someone drop his wallet. You know that it is right 2 give it 2 him back. But in the back of you mind the evil side says "well he has enough, and I can use it because I come up short this month"
Or you have a loving wife at home, and a women comes on your way. You know full well that it is wrong, so you struggle with yourself.
That is the struggle of your soul, trying to do right.
all of us one day we do good the other day we do wrong. We try 2 balance it and have more good days then bad, Inshallah (God willing)
And then there is a second jihad.
Well unfortanly we live in a day and age where we want soundbites in a few sentences things explained.
But it is not that easy.
But the Jihad we believe in as muslims is legit. Is only waged in order 2 remove opression from the opressed or as a retaliation when attacked.
Does this mean it is allowed 2 attack innocent civilians in the west.
OFCOURSE NOT, these lunatics who attacks innocent civilians in the west also attack innocent muslims in their own countries.
They are a decease in our religion. And you must understand that they are supported for most part by the west themself.
If Islam was so intollerant, would there still be milions of christians living in Egypt, syria Lebanon. After more the 1000 years of muslim rule?
Was there any muslim or jew left in Spain, after christians took over muslims Andulusia?
These website who make it their busines 2 "teach" you about islam, is like going 2 a nazi-website 2 learn about judaism.
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oh ur just so enlightened
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There are two types of Jihad.
Jihad anafs - Struggle of the soul.
That is an jihad that every one is engaged in.. even you non-muslims.
you are doing Jihad anafs.
What is it. It is your every day struggle to do right and stay away from the bad.
Like if you see someone drop his wallet. You know that it is right 2 give it 2 him back. But in the back of you mind the evil side says "well he has enough, and I can use it because I come up short this month"
Or you have a loving wife at home, and a women comes on your way. You know full well that it is wrong, so you struggle with yourself.
That is the struggle of your soul, trying to do right.
all of us one day we do good the other day we do wrong. We try 2 balance it and have more good days then bad, Inshallah (God willing)
And then there is a second jihad.
Well unfortanly we live in a day and age where we want soundbites in a few sentences things explained.
But it is not that easy.
But the Jihad we believe in as muslims is legit. Is only waged in order 2 remove opression from the opressed or as a retaliation when attacked.
Does this mean it is allowed 2 attack innocent civilians in the west.
OFCOURSE NOT, these lunatics who attacks innocent civilians in the west also attack innocent muslims in their own countries.
They are a decease in our religion. And you must understand that they are supported for most part by the west themself.
If Islam was so intollerant, would there still be milions of christians living in Egypt, syria Lebanon. After more the 1000 years of muslim rule?
Was there any muslim or jew left in Spain, after christians took over muslims Andulusia?
These website who make it their busines 2 "teach" you about islam, is like going 2 a nazi-website 2 learn about judaism.
what about the jihad that mujahedeen & taliban are doing?
does beheading something have to do with islam?(no diss, serious question).
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There are two types of Jihad.
Jihad anafs - Struggle of the soul.
That is an jihad that every one is engaged in.. even you non-muslims.
you are doing Jihad anafs.
What is it. It is your every day struggle to do right and stay away from the bad.
Like if you see someone drop his wallet. You know that it is right 2 give it 2 him back. But in the back of you mind the evil side says "well he has enough, and I can use it because I come up short this month"
Or you have a loving wife at home, and a women comes on your way. You know full well that it is wrong, so you struggle with yourself.
That is the struggle of your soul, trying to do right.
all of us one day we do good the other day we do wrong. We try 2 balance it and have more good days then bad, Inshallah (God willing)
And then there is a second jihad.
Well unfortanly we live in a day and age where we want soundbites in a few sentences things explained.
But it is not that easy.
But the Jihad we believe in as muslims is legit. Is only waged in order 2 remove opression from the opressed or as a retaliation when attacked.
Does this mean it is allowed 2 attack innocent civilians in the west.
OFCOURSE NOT, these lunatics who attacks innocent civilians in the west also attack innocent muslims in their own countries.
They are a decease in our religion. And you must understand that they are supported for most part by the west themself.
If Islam was so intollerant, would there still be milions of christians living in Egypt, syria Lebanon. After more the 1000 years of muslim rule?
Was there any muslim or jew left in Spain, after christians took over muslims Andulusia?
These website who make it their busines 2 "teach" you about islam, is like going 2 a nazi-website 2 learn about judaism.
Thank you for the Jihad explanation, it could be simplified into internal Jihad and external Jihad no?
I can relate to the Jihad anafs (internal) more than the "external" form but that is just me and I haven't felt the hand of oppression which might justify an external Jihad.
My own knowledge of Islam as a religion is somewhat limited, I do own The Qur'an and have read sections of it but not the entire book.
I have several muslim friends that I always have fruitful conversations with and I do feel a kindred spirit amongst us.
That said I have had one very strong experience with the prophet Muhammad (G_d's peace be upon his soul) that made me respect him:
I was laying in bed contemplating some religious/spiritual matter and my mind went to thinking of the prophet.
When it did I could feel his presence and spirit: and it was very strong and positive.
It was a special moment and one that filled me with gratitude.
Peace be upon those that read this.
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does beheading something have to do with islam?(no diss, serious question).
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does beheading something have to do with islam?(no diss, serious question).
no... not any more than potato chips have to do with eating food. What I mean is, you see Muslims maybe beheading captured foriegn soldiers or International contractors in Iraq. That's just how they choose to kill them, they could of killed them by lethal injection or by an electric chair I suppose; but considering the weapons they had at their disposal they decided to use a knife and behead them.
I don't think beheading, although it may look brutal, it's actually probably less painful then a firing squad or the electric chair. Just different forms of capital punishment I guess.
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yo i aint here to diss nobody beliefs, but for every religion to tout about how religious they be, a lot of niggas dun died for em. i aint gon jus pick on islam either.
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yo i aint here to diss nobody beliefs, but for every religion to tout about how religious they be, a lot of niggas dun died for em. i aint gon jus pick on islam either.
Unlimited desires + limited resources = that's why niccaz die. (would happen with or without religion)
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yo i aint here to diss nobody beliefs, but for every religion to tout about how religious they be, a lot of niggas dun died for em. i aint gon jus pick on islam either.
Unlimited desires + limited resources = that's why niccaz die. (would happen with or without religion)
true
howeva religion makes killin niGGaz a moral responsibility of its followers.
other than wealth, religion is one of the few things that justifies heinous shit.
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No diss, but most Moslems stink!!
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No diss, but most Moslems stink!!
lol
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lmfaoooo
calilove is my favourite euro ever.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlDntRF1t2U
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlDntRF1t2U
interesting video.. do you live in Norway?
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im betting five the answers yes
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yo i aint here to diss nobody beliefs, but for every religion to tout about how religious they be, a lot of niggas dun died for em. i aint gon jus pick on islam either.
Unlimited desires + limited resources = that's why niccaz die. (would happen with or without religion)
true
howeva religion makes killin niGGaz a moral responsibility of its followers.
other than wealth, religion is one of the few things that justifies heinous shit.
Pretty much agree with this.
I believe in God, but I think the majority of religions are just a method of social control for a small elite.
Islam (and other religions), does have contradictions and personally can't agree with it from what I understand of it from other Muslims and critics.
If it's a divinely inspired book, surely it would have been better written and not leave it open to so many interpretations which causes such conflict.
There is a massive issue in the UK and India where muslim gangs are sexually abusing young girls, involved with paedophilia, gang rape, and love Jihad, converting them to Islam. They even go as far to pretend to be from other communities ie Hindu and sikh, so they trick the girls into relationships until it's too late.
They also get financially rewarded ie if the girl who's family is a well know Christian family, or a sikh girl, they can get up to £10k if the convert. This is done with the ok of the imams, who have quoted the Koran and absorbs as authority.
That's some sick twisted shit
Go to many read in the UK or Europe (like Sweden), and there is a tipping point when there's a certain number of Muslims and there seems to be some real problems, and it does come down to religion.
I do however feel that people are free to worship whoever they want as long as it doesn't harm or impose on others.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlDntRF1t2U
interesting video.. do you live in Norway?
What you see in that video is war-rhetoric in a conflict zone.
If you are in a war, that is the rhetoric what you get. You don't say there is the enemy go and give him a hug!!
Wheter he uses Islam or the word Freedom is irrelavant. The rhetoric is the same. If you have been in the army in a conflict zone, you will understand what I am saying.
What is worse.....These people who promote conflict in countries where there is no conflict.
they are actually hoping that the world will catch fire so that they can have thir Amargadon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlDntRF1t2U
interesting video.. do you live in Norway?
why is it interesting?no i dont live in norway.
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^ comments above.
If there is a black man, white man, muslim, atheist or christian.. who involved in rape or criminal acts.
That is for the law 2 find them and lock em up/punish them.
simple as that.
But 2 say that muslims are inspired 2 do this because of their faith is like saying young black people from poor neighbourhoods are violent because they are black.
Wrong is wrong no matter what skin color or religion someone has.
Here is an american who went 2 "Violent" Iran, he escaped narrowly before being beheaded or stoned by the Mullah's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWqI7m0Mmbk
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Thank you for the Jihad explanation, it could be simplified into internal Jihad and external Jihad no?
I can relate to the Jihad anafs (internal) more than the "external" form but that is just me and I haven't felt the hand of oppression which might justify an external Jihad.
My own knowledge of Islam as a religion is somewhat limited, I do own The Qur'an and have read sections of it but not the entire book.
I have several muslim friends that I always have fruitful conversations with and I do feel a kindred spirit amongst us.
That said I have had one very strong experience with the prophet Muhammad (G_d's peace be upon his soul) that made me respect him:
I was laying in bed contemplating some religious/spiritual matter and my mind went to thinking of the prophet.
When it did I could feel his presence and spirit: and it was very strong and positive.
It was a special moment and one that filled me with gratitude.
Peace be upon those that read this.
What a beautiful story, you must have been blessed 2 have these religious experiences.
Here is a video from a Jemeni jew, who still has a letter of The Prophet inherited till this day.
Very beautiful story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JViuffokBc
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Thank you for the Jihad explanation, it could be simplified into internal Jihad and external Jihad no?
I can relate to the Jihad anafs (internal) more than the "external" form but that is just me and I haven't felt the hand of oppression which might justify an external Jihad.
My own knowledge of Islam as a religion is somewhat limited, I do own The Qur'an and have read sections of it but not the entire book.
I have several muslim friends that I always have fruitful conversations with and I do feel a kindred spirit amongst us.
That said I have had one very strong experience with the prophet Muhammad (G_d's peace be upon his soul) that made me respect him:
I was laying in bed contemplating some religious/spiritual matter and my mind went to thinking of the prophet.
When it did I could feel his presence and spirit: and it was very strong and positive.
It was a special moment and one that filled me with gratitude.
Peace be upon those that read this.
What a beautiful story, you must have been blessed 2 have these religious experiences.
Here is a video from a Jemeni jew, who still has a letter of The Prophet inherited till this day.
Very beautiful story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JViuffokBc
Not sure why I had the experience, I definitely don't feel worthy of it... perhaps that is why it happened(?)
It is not the first time something like this has occured but the only time with Muhammad (G_d's peace be upon his soul).
Thank you for the video.
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why is it interesting?no i dont live in norway.
First of all it's in Norway.. which is kind of funny to begin with. Secondly, a man in Norway is using the internet to recruit people to fight in Iraq then gets picked up around the waste by a female Musilm comedian... it was a strange fare
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Religion - The oldest form of population control ever invented.
"If you don't live by these rules, you will spend an eternity in hell" as most of them goes.... Fortunately science has been able to debunk a lot of religion truths and myths over the century's. Thunder, which was once thought as gods anger, can now be explained rationally and scientifically. That's why religion is losing it's grip today, not because of society not caring, but because people can now see past the BS.
Islam is peaceful but it doesn't conform to Western ideals so it will continue to be demonized as a religion of hate, violence and terror. There is no one wishing the world to catch fire. Simply people trying to control, and others resisting. Islamic nations will never submit, so they must be cleansed (according to a former CIA operative)
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Religion - The oldest form of population control ever invented.
"If you don't live by these rules, you will spend an eternity in hell" as most of them goes.... Fortunately science has been able to debunk a lot of religion truths and myths over the century's. Thunder, which was once thought as gods anger, can now be explained rationally and scientifically. That's why religion is losing it's grip today, not because of society not caring, but because people can now see past the BS.
Islam is peaceful but it doesn't conform to Western ideals so it will continue to be demonized as a religion of hate, violence and terror. There is no one wishing the world to catch fire. Simply people trying to control, and others resisting. Islamic nations will never submit, so they must be cleansed (according to a former CIA operative)
Yeah, i have to agree with you that on the whole religion is just mind/social control over the people.
One of my muslim friends had to break her fast during ramadan and she felt so bad thinking she's going to hell etc. I asked her where hell is (& heaven), why men have 72 virgins in paradise, what about women if they are equal etc.
Then you have Jizya tax, women being less than a man, women needing more than 1 witness in a rape, Mohammed (50+ years old) having sex with a 9 year old, stoning, amputations, beheadings etc.
I know people will say, those passages that give authority to the above are out of context & mis-translated, but there's a lot of people who mis-translate or they have to translate it beyond recognition of the original text to explain some of the passages to make it acceptable in the modern day & westerners.
I do believe there are good points within Islam but there's too many things which say to me that the Koran isn't 'perfect' & should be questioned (i'm not saying other religions are perfect either).
That doesn't mean i don't believe there's a god or in spirituality however.
So no I also disagree with Islam being an inherently peaceful religion
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There is no one wishing the world to catch fire. Simply people trying to control, and others resisting.
You Are wrong!
you should study Zionist-christian eschatology and Zionist-jewish eschatology.
I didn't say christians and jews. Because the divide line is not a religious one, it is an eschatological one.
And since you are not aware of their view let me give you their view in a nutshell:
Christian-Zionist; like in that video believe that when the big wars start (Which is called Armegadon) They get beemed up 2 heaven the moment before that starts, so they are save. So they look forward to it. Look at their movie called "Left Behind."
The Jewish-Zionist: believe that the Messiah will only come (Not Jesus, they reject him) when the world is at conflict.
And when he comes the glorious days of the jewish state that ruled the world will come into being. They also look foward 2 it.
These two who are allies.. are hellbend... Let me repeat that for you Atheist. HELLBEND on accomplishing that goal.
They will not stop, they will not compromise and they don't care if bilions have 2 die.
They are being used by what I believe is the Anti-christ.
If you don't have that religious framework. You don't have a clue what is going on in the world right now.
@ the members who keep on insisting that my religion is about opression of women, stoning and marrying a 9-year old.
I respect you for being atheist. i think everyone should have ther own quest for truth.
But don't tell me what my relgion is about with all these accusations.
you want 2 be a man go 2 the nearest mosque and tell the Imam I have these issues with your relgion and have a honest convo.
Instead throwing out that rubish. T
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People believe what they want. Me being atheist doesn't mean I support anything bad. I'm far more open to the belief of the Annunaki than religion any day of the week. Given the mystery surrounding the advanced methods unmistakably used in the construction of pyramids around the globe, and the engineering expertise in ancient times, the knowledge of our solar system, it's evident people in ancient times had an advanced knowledge and assistance from somewhere to know and do these things.
To the common man, and to the masses - pyramids are nothing more than structural tombs for former kings, but to those with engineering backgrounds they see their use as nuclear power stations, and spiritual beings see them as portal passages or some form of field creation. I don't dispute any of those theories because we don't know!!!
What I do believe is that ALL religions are a farce, and that there are religious leaders today being paid handsomely to control huge portions of the global population and to exercise their interpretation of their religious rules to their collection of mystified servants to manipulate and exploit for their own agenda (or their masters agenda)
Do we need religion? Isn't "treating all living things with respect" enough?
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There is no one wishing the world to catch fire. Simply people trying to control, and others resisting.
@ the members who keep on insisting that my religion is about opression of women, stoning and marrying a 9-year old.
I respect you for being atheist. i think everyone should have ther own quest for truth.
But don't tell me what my relgion is about with all these accusations.
you want 2 be a man go 2 the nearest mosque and tell the Imam I have these issues with your relgion and have a honest convo.
Instead throwing out that rubish. T
I believe in God first of all & respect your right of believing in whatever you want so long as it's not forced upon others & doesn't cause loss, harm or injury (ie common law).
I know a few muslims and do listen to debates between muslims & non-muslims and try think critically with an open mind for both sides.
I bring up those points because they are valid criticisms & questions & when they are brought up they don't get satisfactory answers, or not answered at all.
On one hand it's claimed there's no compulsion in religion, yet on the other, it's kill apostates or polytheists etc.
Look at the countries where there's a muslim majority, and see how minority religions are treated there!
It's not a controversial statement among muslim scholars to say that Mohammed had sex with a 6 year old. Whether it was acceptable back in the day or there were other circumstances is another debate.
It's not my intention to offend anyone, but I have to call out things as i see it and also expect the same to be applied to myself.
Why does it have to take a third party/agent of God (an Iman, Priest, Pope, Rabbi etc like any agent gets a fee ;) ) to explain their interpretation? Who's to say their interpretation is correct? Just because they studied it for a long time?
Well Ben Bennanke studied the Great Depression & numerous mainstream economists are repeating the same mistake on the economy & making it worse!
I know about the New World Order/Anti-Christ agenda & believe in it, but that doesn't necessarily mean i have to accept all of the package of a religion.
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There is no one wishing the world to catch fire. Simply people trying to control, and others resisting.
@ the members who keep on insisting that my religion is about opression of women, stoning and marrying a 9-year old.
I respect you for being atheist. i think everyone should have ther own quest for truth.
But don't tell me what my relgion is about with all these accusations.
you want 2 be a man go 2 the nearest mosque and tell the Imam I have these issues with your relgion and have a honest convo.
Instead throwing out that rubish. T
I believe in God first of all & respect your right of believing in whatever you want so long as it's not forced upon others & doesn't cause loss, harm or injury (ie common law).
I know a few muslims and do listen to debates between muslims & non-muslims and try think critically with an open mind for both sides.
My apoligies. I called you something which you are not.
Not that atheist are not good, I know a lot good atheist.
That said, you should not ask those questions 2 a lay men or on a Internet forum where we want soundbites.
In a few sentences an answer.
When you have a medical condition do you go 2 a qualified Dr. Or you just ask 4 advise through a forum or someone who just read a book on medicine?
I advised you 2 go to an knowledgable Imam. And begin a conversation with him about the subjects you just mentioned.
Don't worry he will answer you and if not.. Go 2 someone else.
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There is no one wishing the world to catch fire. Simply people trying to control, and others resisting.
@ the members who keep on insisting that my religion is about opression of women, stoning and marrying a 9-year old.
I respect you for being atheist. i think everyone should have ther own quest for truth.
But don't tell me what my relgion is about with all these accusations.
you want 2 be a man go 2 the nearest mosque and tell the Imam I have these issues with your relgion and have a honest convo.
Instead throwing out that rubish. T
I believe in God first of all & respect your right of believing in whatever you want so long as it's not forced upon others & doesn't cause loss, harm or injury (ie common law).
I know a few muslims and do listen to debates between muslims & non-muslims and try think critically with an open mind for both sides.
My apoligies. I called you something which you are not.
Not that atheist are not good, I know a lot good atheist.
That said, you should not ask those questions 2 a lay men or on a Internet forum where we want soundbites.
In a few sentences an answer.
When you have a medical condition do you go 2 a qualified Dr. Or you just ask 4 advise through a forum or someone who just read a book on medicine?
I advised you 2 go to an knowledgable Imam. And begin a conversation with him about the subjects you just mentioned.
Don't worry he will answer you and if not.. Go 2 someone else.
Hi Aladin, no need to apologise!
Please also accept my apologies if I come across disrespectful or antagonistic against your beliefs, that is not my intention!
I just love to question things and it means asking very difficult and controversial questions.
're: if I go to a qualified doctor for a medical condition, I rarely do to be honest, and even when I do I don't take everything they say 100% as fact. I also do my own research too of what to do because doctors have their own agendas
For example doctors are often funded by big pharmaceutical companies, and they're indoctrinated to use drugs as a cure which means $ to the companies. From my research, vaccines are actually more harmful.
The same can be said for politicians and so called financial experts who in reality either lie or actually don't know what they are talking about/make no sense.
Also if a book from God is for all the people it should be easy for everyone to understand without causing so much misinterpretation
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People believe what they want. Me being atheist doesn't mean I support anything bad. I'm far more open to the belief of the Annunaki than religion any day of the week. Given the mystery surrounding the advanced methods unmistakably used in the construction of pyramids around the globe, and the engineering expertise in ancient times, the knowledge of our solar system, it's evident people in ancient times had an advanced knowledge and assistance from somewhere to know and do these things.
To the common man, and to the masses - pyramids are nothing more than structural tombs for former kings, but to those with engineering backgrounds they see their use as nuclear power stations, and spiritual beings see them as portal passages or some form of field creation. I don't dispute any of those theories because we don't know!!!
What I do believe is that ALL religions are a farce, and that there are religious leaders today being paid handsomely to control huge portions of the global population and to exercise their interpretation of their religious rules to their collection of mystified servants to manipulate and exploit for their own agenda (or their masters agenda)
Do we need religion? Isn't "treating all living things with respect" enough?
I don't believe you are an atheist, you might call yourself that but you are really not.
And like most people that call themselves atheist you seem intent on identifying ALL religions with those that do bad stuff in (a) religions name... big mistake.
Not sure what the purpose of your last two questions are?
To answer/confront the first:
If you need to get to a location is it beneficial to have a road map/directions to get there?
A religious scripture functions to me like a spiritual road map. Do I really NEED it? Not sure... but it makes my journey somewhat simpler than having to wander aimlessly around in the dark clinging to some small hope that one day I MIGHT reach my/some destination.
It is/ can be a source of inspiration and guidance that is all. (Hopefully written by someone that wishes me a safe and pleasant journey).
You seem bitterly intent on criticizing ALL "road maps", have you ever tried reading one to see if it takes you in the correct direction?
Or are you one of those that write everything off without proper understanding (ignorance)?
And to answer/confront your second question:
Enough for what?
What is respect and how is it expressed/performed? Where does respect come from?
Do you learn how to respect "all living things" or does it come automatically?
What is alive and what is dead? What is good and what is bad?
Mysteries upon mysteries starts to appear.
Where do they come from, where do you come from?
Is there a source?
Etc, etc, etc... ad infinitum
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You seem like a person in the dark looking for the light.
I hope that one day you will completely let your guard down thinking that YOU know best.
Humility and gratitude are the keys that will open doors for you/us.
But who am I to give any advice...? After all I know nothing at all.
Peace be upon you blood.
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seriously tho. all this effort directed towards some "my religion is better than yours" bullshit should be directed towards making this world a better place.
i grew up catholic myself and i got no bitterness towards it at all eventho there are some things i disagree with, buti do get sick of the hypocrasy and hatred it creates.
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seriously tho. all this effort directed towards some "my religion is better than yours" bullshit should be directed towards making this world a better place.
i grew up catholic myself and i got no bitterness towards it at all eventho there are some things i disagree with, buti do get sick of the hypocrasy and hatred it creates.
co-sign.
i really enjoy learning about different religions and peoples personal faith but what often puts me off is that so many have a need to criticize another religion to make their own in a good light.
says the idiot.