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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on August 28, 2013, 11:44:28 AM
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Virtuoso (and the rest), since you know so much about what is happening in the world, I'd like to invite you once more to put your money where your mouth is. Make a concrete prediction with a timeline of what will happen, and I will prove my foresight over the rest of you if we are able to bump this thread at a later date.
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I predict, as I have been predicting since the beginning of the protests in Syria, that America is going to arm the resistance just enough to prolong the war and drain the resources of Syria, Iran (in it's aid to Syria), and Hezbollah.
If America and the Western superpowers stayed out completely, then Assad could suppress the majority of threats to his sovereignty in the country. But with America's help so far, the opposition has had just enough resources to continue their insurgency against Assad but not in any decisive or meaningful way.
Assad is once again regaining control of Syria, so now America will lob some missiles from just outside the country (similar to the way they did in Libya) and effectively destabilize the Assad regime to some degree, but still not enough to truly be a game changer. It will only weaken the Assad regime enough to give the opposition greater hopes and thus the continued draining of resources from both sides.
The larger game is to bleed Assad's resources for some time, there is no rush on America's side. After enough of Assad and Hezbollah's resources have been bleed it is possible that some years down the road the US might occupy or at least have a military base or presence in Syria. Ultimately this will encircle Iran, and further weaken it's position in the region. With Iran playing a weak hand through it's continued degradation by way of sanctions and influence, it will ultimately have to cave to the United States and Israel. At the end of the day, the regions surrounding Israel will be further weakened and Israel further strengthened.
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America has already funded these rebels, it's the same rebels they funded in Egypt, Libya, etc. Its al-Qaeda. That's what Benghazi was, an arms deal we facilitated that went horribly wrong.
Syria kicked these "rebels" ass, and now the US et al are officially going in to finish the job. May start as early as Friday.
Assad will be overthrown, but only after a drawn out effort and many deaths.
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America has already funded these rebels, it's the same rebels they funded in Egypt, Libya, etc. Its al-Qaeda. That's what Benghazi was, an arms deal we facilitated that went horribly wrong.
That's incorrect to simply name any Sunni-Islamic rebels, "Al-Qaeda". Egypt, Libya, and Syria are all separate rebel movements/groups. Some of them may have a simliar agenda, which is to establish Shariah and overthrow leaders they regard as heretics, but that doesn't make them all "Al-Qaeda". Al-Qaeda doesn't even exist anymore and likely hasn't been operating since the U.S. first invaded Afganistan in 2001. Since then it has "Al-Qaeda" has just been used as a catch all term for the "bad-guy" and an excuse for military intervention around the world.
Syria kicked these "rebels" ass, and now the US et al are officially going in to finish the job. May start as early as Friday.
That's where my prediction differs from yours. America is certainly not going to "finish the job" but rather they are going to prolong the civil war and bleed the resources of the Assad Regime for an indefinite period.
Assad will be overthrown, but only after a drawn out effort and many deaths.
Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and predict exactly when Assad will be overthrown. Because whatever your prediction is my prediction will be beyond that date. The U.S. wants to further drain the resources of Hezbollah and Syria at large for an extended period.
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"al-Qaeda" simply refers to mercenaries hired by the U.N., US, Israel etc to lead these uprisings. They are called "rebels", but they are backed by these same entities. Call them what you want. Al Qaeda was formed by the US, these psychopathic "rebels" are as well.
Look at Iraq, Afghanistan etc. The US plan is to draw any conflict out as long as possible. I don't know why you've got a hard on for a specific date, but they will overthrow Assad, it make take weeks/months/years, but it will happen.
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You are utterly naive if you believe that this can't lead to a very rapid regional war and consider for a moment the consequences of that both in terms of lives lost, the reshaping of the maps, the catastrophic effect it will have on the price of oil, thus the every day economic life, whether the situation becomes so horrendous that nuclear weapons will be employed and only then will it hit you how utterly moronic this thread of your's is. Who cares how long it takes for the full effects of this to be felt, after all, what do you expect Iran to do? just sit back and watch as it's ally gets systematically weakened?
Wesley Clark has made it very clear what the intentions of this megalomaniac group of devils is.
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Syria becomes Obama's Vietnam. But by design. And that's a very, very bad thing.
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"al-Qaeda" simply refers to mercenaries hired by the U.N., US, Israel etc to lead these uprisings. They are called "rebels", but they are backed by these same entities. Call them what you want. Al Qaeda was formed by the US, these psychopathic "rebels" are as well.
Look at Iraq, Afghanistan etc. The US plan is to draw any conflict out as long as possible. I don't know why you've got a hard on for a specific date, but they will overthrow Assad, it make take weeks/months/years, but it will happen.
Al-Qaeda wasn't formed by the U.S. That's a common misconception amongst doomsdayers and conspiracy theorists. It just so happened that Bin Laden and the United States had a common enemy in Afghanistan when Russia was occupying the country. But Bin Laden wasn't directly associating and receiving aid from the U.S.; it was no such covert, conspiracy operation. America was simply handing over weapons and support to fighters in Afghanistan in general because there was a common enemy.
Now, since the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, I would say anything is possible and in that regard your theory may ring true. But to say that Al-Qaeda was "started" by America, is taking your conspiracy theories a little too far.
...now onto Assad, the only reason I asked for a date was because you sounded so sure that America would swiftly overthrow Assad in your previous post, but now you've already backed away from that prediction.
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You are utterly naive if you believe that this can't lead to a very rapid regional war and consider for a moment the consequences of that both in terms of lives lost, the reshaping of the maps, the catastrophic effect it will have on the price of oil, thus the every day economic life, whether the situation becomes so horrendous that nuclear weapons will be employed and only then will it hit you how utterly moronic this thread of your's is. Who cares how long it takes for the full effects of this to be felt, after all, what do you expect Iran to do? just sit back and watch as it's ally gets systematically weakened?
Wesley Clark has made it very clear what the intentions of this megalomaniac group of devils is.
Like usual, you always want to predict that major catastrophe is right around the corner, and every time you fail in your prediction. I agree that what's going on there is bad, and it is a bad trend, but it's not like WW3 is going to break out any time soon.
Why don't you be bold enough to give me a date as to when all your catastrophe's will start. I know you will back away from making any concrete prediction of a date, year, or season.
But if you feel like standing by your word for a change why don't you predict the following for me...
1. In what year will Assad be overthrown or otherwise removed from power in Syria?
2. In what month or year will we see our oil prices double from what they are currently?
3. In what month or year will the first nuke be used?
4. In what month or year will Iran make it's first open (not counting Hezbollah) attack or response for America's involvement in Syria?
^^I promise any prediction you make to the above 4 questions will be an utter failure and the events will most likely not happen or happen way later than your prediction.
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wasnt the world economy predicted to crash by now?
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wasnt the world economy predicted to crash by now?
They've been predicting that nearly every year since the Nixon administration
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You are utterly naive if you believe that this can't lead to a very rapid regional war and consider for a moment the consequences of that both in terms of lives lost, the reshaping of the maps, the catastrophic effect it will have on the price of oil, thus the every day economic life, whether the situation becomes so horrendous that nuclear weapons will be employed and only then will it hit you how utterly moronic this thread of your's is. Who cares how long it takes for the full effects of this to be felt, after all, what do you expect Iran to do? just sit back and watch as it's ally gets systematically weakened?
Wesley Clark has made it very clear what the intentions of this megalomaniac group of devils is.
Like usual, you always want to predict that major catastrophe is right around the corner, and every time you fail in your prediction. I agree that what's going on there is bad, and it is a bad trend, but it's not like WW3 is going to break out any time soon.
Why don't you be bold enough to give me a date as to when all your catastrophe's will start. I know you will back away from making any concrete prediction of a date, year, or season.
But if you feel like standing by your word for a change why don't you predict the following for me...
1. In what year will Assad be overthrown or otherwise removed from power in Syria?
2. In what month or year will we see our oil prices double from what they are currently?
3. In what month or year will the first nuke be used?
4. In what month or year will Iran make it's first open (not counting Hezbollah) attack or response for America's involvement in Syria?
^^I promise any prediction you make to the above 4 questions will be an utter failure and the events will most likely not happen or happen way later than your prediction.
Why do you insist on making this a pissing contest where you are the ONLY one that will be right?
Don't make yourself look like a false prophet.
The ONLY One that KNOWS is G_d.
Have some humility, this isn't some abstract speculation spectacle... it involves real human beings that might suffer terribly because of savages.
Peace to Syria.
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You are utterly naive if you believe that this can't lead to a very rapid regional war and consider for a moment the consequences of that both in terms of lives lost, the reshaping of the maps, the catastrophic effect it will have on the price of oil, thus the every day economic life, whether the situation becomes so horrendous that nuclear weapons will be employed and only then will it hit you how utterly moronic this thread of your's is. Who cares how long it takes for the full effects of this to be felt, after all, what do you expect Iran to do? just sit back and watch as it's ally gets systematically weakened?
Wesley Clark has made it very clear what the intentions of this megalomaniac group of devils is.
^^I promise any prediction you make to the above 4 questions will be an utter failure and the events will most likely not happen or happen way later than your prediction.
But that is the most important part! Maybe this year maybe next year, doesn't matter. It's only important that it happens. They could give a fuck if it's one or four years, you have to think on a bigger scale.
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"al-Qaeda" simply refers to mercenaries hired by the U.N., US, Israel etc to lead these uprisings. They are called "rebels", but they are backed by these same entities. Call them what you want. Al Qaeda was formed by the US, these psychopathic "rebels" are as well.
Look at Iraq, Afghanistan etc. The US plan is to draw any conflict out as long as possible. I don't know why you've got a hard on for a specific date, but they will overthrow Assad, it make take weeks/months/years, but it will happen.
Al-Qaeda wasn't formed by the U.S. That's a common misconception amongst doomsdayers and conspiracy theorists. It just so happened that Bin Laden and the United States had a common enemy in Afghanistan when Russia was occupying the country. But Bin Laden wasn't directly associating and receiving aid from the U.S.; it was no such covert, conspiracy operation. America was simply handing over weapons and support to fighters in Afghanistan in general because there was a common enemy.
Now, since the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, I would say anything is possible and in that regard your theory may ring true. But to say that Al-Qaeda was "started" by America, is taking your conspiracy theories a little too far.
...now onto Assad, the only reason I asked for a date was because you sounded so sure that America would swiftly overthrow Assad in your previous post, but now you've already backed away from that prediction.
So smug, must have been high when you started this topic.
Zbigniew Brzezinski et al created and trained the mujahideen which became al Qaeda.
I didn't back off of anything home boy. I said the attacks may begin as early as Friday, I didn't say it would end quickly in any of my posts, dufus. I cited Afghanistan and Iraq of examples of endless wars. You've probably never heard the term "precept by precept", but it is the MO of the US etc...small steps over a long period of time.
It is not in the military industrial complex interest to have a quick lil skirmish. Billions of dollars of revenue are generated from destroying and rebuilding countries.
Timeframe is completely irrelevant, the fact that it is happening at all is what's important. And you're pounding your chest about the timeframe, so tell us, oh great visionary, what is the exact time frame? Again not that it matters a bit, but you seem to feel its a major point of vindication for you so let's hear it.
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So smug, must have been high when you started this topic.
Zbigniew Brzezinski et al created and trained the mujahideen which became al Qaeda.
I didn't back off of anything home boy. I said the attacks may begin as early as Friday, I didn't say it would end quickly in any of my posts. I cited Afghanistan and Iraq of examples of endless wars. You've probably never heard the term "precept by precept", but it is the MO of the US etc...small steps over a long period of time.
It is not in the military industrial complex interest to have a quick lil skirmish. Billions of dollars of revenue are generated from destroying and rebuilding countries.
Timeframe is completely irrelevant, the fact that it is happening at all is what's important. And you're pounding your chest about the timeframe, so tell us, oh great visionary, what is the exact time frame? Again not that it matters a bit, but you seem to feel its a major point of vindication for you so let's hear it.
My bad, Trippa... I re-read your post and you actually didn't say Assad would be soon removed. Your post is pretty reasonable... although that's a loose-ass association your making when you claim they started "Al-Qaeda" just because some of the Afghans they trained eventually joined "Al-Qaeda". That's like saying that I started the Dream Team just because I coached an All-Star game and some of those players went on to make the Dream Team.
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So smug, must have been high when you started this topic.
Zbigniew Brzezinski et al created and trained the mujahideen which became al Qaeda.
I didn't back off of anything home boy. I said the attacks may begin as early as Friday, I didn't say it would end quickly in any of my posts. I cited Afghanistan and Iraq of examples of endless wars. You've probably never heard the term "precept by precept", but it is the MO of the US etc...small steps over a long period of time.
It is not in the military industrial complex interest to have a quick lil skirmish. Billions of dollars of revenue are generated from destroying and rebuilding countries.
Timeframe is completely irrelevant, the fact that it is happening at all is what's important. And you're pounding your chest about the timeframe, so tell us, oh great visionary, what is the exact time frame? Again not that it matters a bit, but you seem to feel its a major point of vindication for you so let's hear it.
My bad, Trippa... I re-read your post and you actually didn't say Assad would be soon removed. Your post is pretty reasonable... although that's a loose-ass association your making when you claim they started "Al-Qaeda" just because some of the Afghans they trained eventually joined "Al-Qaeda". That's like saying that I started the Dream Team just because I coached an All-Star game and some of those players went on to make the Dream Team.
Fair enough...I guess my point is that the US uses these groups when it benefits them, and labels them terrorists when it benefits them.
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So smug, must have been high when you started this topic.
Zbigniew Brzezinski et al created and trained the mujahideen which became al Qaeda.
I didn't back off of anything home boy. I said the attacks may begin as early as Friday, I didn't say it would end quickly in any of my posts. I cited Afghanistan and Iraq of examples of endless wars. You've probably never heard the term "precept by precept", but it is the MO of the US etc...small steps over a long period of time.
It is not in the military industrial complex interest to have a quick lil skirmish. Billions of dollars of revenue are generated from destroying and rebuilding countries.
Timeframe is completely irrelevant, the fact that it is happening at all is what's important. And you're pounding your chest about the timeframe, so tell us, oh great visionary, what is the exact time frame? Again not that it matters a bit, but you seem to feel its a major point of vindication for you so let's hear it.
My bad, Trippa... I re-read your post and you actually didn't say Assad would be soon removed. Your post is pretty reasonable... although that's a loose-ass association your making when you claim they started "Al-Qaeda" just because some of the Afghans they trained eventually joined "Al-Qaeda". That's like saying that I started the Dream Team just because I coached an All-Star game and some of those players went on to make the Dream Team.
Fair enough...I guess my point is that the US uses these groups when it benefits them, and labels them terrorists when it benefits them.
Agreed. "Terrorist" and "Al-Qaeda" is certainly used as a catch-all phrase that basically gives the US the right to intervene anytime and anywhere in the world to do whatever they want.
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Now Obama is pulling the, ask congress for permission deal. This congress has no spine. Of course we are going to war. I am a liberal, but this is a war many bleeding heart liberals wanted. They saw images of kids and they wanted us in. Well now we are in, and that's a very bad thing. We have no business being in this, and Obama is using Al Qaeda as an excuse, and chemical weapons. Sickening.
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http://youtube.com/v/HP7L8bw5QF4
This isn't really my prediction, it's flat out what's going to happen.
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http://youtube.com/v/HP7L8bw5QF4
This isn't really my prediction, it's flat out what's going to happen.
Basically. These things have been in motion since the end of World War II.
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Syria is 1 step of many in gaining full financial control of the Middle East. By eliminating Syria, they eliminate all of Iran's regional support and it's allies and thus provide the West's financially owned country's to have additional bases surrounding Iran. Having them cornered, and unable to have any supplies sent in via Syria.
If Syira, falls, Iran will fall leaving North Korea the ONLY country left in the world without a privately run central banking system (right now there are 3 countries left in the world that are truly independent states. Those are - Syria, Iran & North Korea)
This is about global domination through monetary control. Debt enslavement, and don't kid yourself for one minute if you think Russia isn't in on this. The same ptb pulling the strings in the US are the same pulling the strings in Russia. They KNOW the public are too clued up now, and know the US is telling lies about the culprit(s) of the chemical attack. Their aim however is not to trick the public into believing the US (because their trust level is at an all time low) but rather to trick the public into believing a power struggle proxy war between US/UK/Isreal/France V Russia/China, which will enable both sides (run by the same ptb) to bomb infrastructure, cause massive destruction, and depopulation in the region.
What this does, is this then leaves a country battered and ruined. Smashed in smithereens, with mass unemployment and hunger, and lack of homes so that when it is fully occupied, the Private central banking system is installed, and the newly installed puppet leaders then sell to the remaining public of the region that they can get their homes, jobs and networks back....... What they don't tell them is that they are then running to the newly instated central banking system to "borrow" huge sums of money to rebuild the country, which so much debt attached (hay, setting up a banking system in a war torn country is no easy feat ::) so they have to add ridiculous interest too) knowing the country has no way in paying it back other than giving up it's national assets, and sovereignty and rights (/sovereign rights)
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Syria is 1 step of many in gaining full financial control of the Middle East. By eliminating Syria, they eliminate all of Iran's regional support and it's allies and thus provide the West's financially owned country's to have additional bases surrounding Iran. Having them cornered, and unable to have any supplies sent in via Syria.
If Syira, falls, Iran will fall leaving North Korea the ONLY country left in the world without a privately run central banking system (right now there are 3 countries left in the world that are truly independent states. Those are - Syria, Iran & North Korea)
This is about global domination through monetary control. Debt enslavement, and don't kid yourself for one minute if you think Russia isn't in on this. The same ptb pulling the strings in the US are the same pulling the strings in Russia. They KNOW the public are too clued up now, and know the US is telling lies about the culprit(s) of the chemical attack. Their aim however is not to trick the public into believing the US (because their trust level is at an all time low) but rather to trick the public into believing a power struggle proxy war between US/UK/Isreal/France V Russia/China, which will enable both sides (run by the same ptb) to bomb infrastructure, cause massive destruction, and depopulation in the region.
What this does, is this then leaves a country battered and ruined. Smashed in smithereens, with mass unemployment and hunger, and lack of homes so that when it is fully occupied, the Private central banking system is installed, and the newly installed puppet leaders then sell to the remaining public of the region that they can get their homes, jobs and networks back....... What they don't tell them is that they are then running to the newly instated central banking system to "borrow" huge sums of money to rebuild the country, which so much debt attached (hay, setting up a banking system in a war torn country is no easy feat ::) so they have to add ridiculous interest too) knowing the country has no way in paying it back other than giving up it's national assets, and sovereignty and rights (/sovereign rights)
You think you know it all but you know nothing.
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I don't know it all, but that might be because I don't believe in some fairy tale man in the sky
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I don't know it all, but that might be because I don't believe in some fairy tale man in the sky
I can respect that.
But let us stop and think for a minute.
The world we live in is nothing but an illusion.
take a look around you.
You think it is all physical material. But Science proofs today that it is not solid.
If we would have a device that would eliminate the energy and moving particles and leave only the matter around you. You would not even have matter the size of a penny.
See it like this:
If you have a ceiling ventilator not spinning you can see the space between the blades.
But when you have it spinning at the max speed, it looks like a solid circle.
But In reality it is not.
The same with matter
So we know that our eyes deceives us and we can not complete apprehend the world around us.
Our point of few is that you can have knowledge external recieved as well as knowledge internal received.
Some call it the third eye, some call it the spirtual heart, but it is the same.
If you can combine those two you can see the world for what it really is.
If you only use external sight... you will be deceived by your own eyes.
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I don't know it all, but that might be because I don't believe in some fairy tale man in the sky
Good for you.
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I don't know it all, but that might be because I don't believe in some fairy tale man in the sky
I can respect that.
But let us stop and think for a minute.
The world we live in is nothing but an illusion.
take a look around you.
You think it is all physical material. But Science proofs today that it is not solid.
If we would have a device that would eliminate the energy and moving particles and leave only the matter around you. You would not even have matter the size of a penny.
See it like this:
If you have a ceiling ventilator not spinning you can see the space between the blades.
But when you have it spinning at the max speed, it looks like a solid circle.
But In reality it is not.
The same with matter
So we know that our eyes deceives us and we can not complete apprehend the world around us.
Our point of few is that you can have knowledge external recieved as well as knowledge internal received.
Some call it the third eye, some call it the spirtual heart, but it is the same.
If you can combine those two you can see the world for what it really is.
If you only use external sight... you will be deceived by your own eyes.
You sound like a buddhist today Aladin :)
Some good points that I agree with though.
The internet = The mother of illusions.
Nothing is real here, just shadows dancing in the circus.
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I don't know it all, but that might be because I don't believe in some fairy tale man in the sky
I can respect that.
But let us stop and think for a minute.
The world we live in is nothing but an illusion.
take a look around you.
You think it is all physical material. But Science proofs today that it is not solid.
If we would have a device that would eliminate the energy and moving particles and leave only the matter around you. You would not even have matter the size of a penny.
See it like this:
If you have a ceiling ventilator not spinning you can see the space between the blades.
But when you have it spinning at the max speed, it looks like a solid circle.
But In reality it is not.
The same with matter
So we know that our eyes deceives us and we can not complete apprehend the world around us.
Our point of few is that you can have knowledge external recieved as well as knowledge internal received.
Some call it the third eye, some call it the spirtual heart, but it is the same.
If you can combine those two you can see the world for what it really is.
If you only use external sight... you will be deceived by your own eyes.
I'm open minded enough to believe in all sorts of things I can't see and to believe in things that people are unable to prove about our history. IE; Evolution. Also on spiritual aspects that you mentioned. I just don't believe in the same god some on here like to write about and mention. That big man in the sky who watched down on us all and who will be angry if we don't follow a "simple" set of rules set out by some nicean-like council. Religion is one of the oldest population control tools ever created and now that it is losing it's grip, celebrity & government seem to be the new religions. I doubt any of us have the ability to utilize our spiritual side anymore. The way the modern world is has shut that door for most of us
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I don't know it all, but that might be because I don't believe in some fairy tale man in the sky
I can respect that.
But let us stop and think for a minute.
The world we live in is nothing but an illusion.
take a look around you.
You think it is all physical material. But Science proofs today that it is not solid.
If we would have a device that would eliminate the energy and moving particles and leave only the matter around you. You would not even have matter the size of a penny.
See it like this:
If you have a ceiling ventilator not spinning you can see the space between the blades.
But when you have it spinning at the max speed, it looks like a solid circle.
But In reality it is not.
The same with matter
So we know that our eyes deceives us and we can not complete apprehend the world around us.
Our point of few is that you can have knowledge external recieved as well as knowledge internal received.
Some call it the third eye, some call it the spirtual heart, but it is the same.
If you can combine those two you can see the world for what it really is.
If you only use external sight... you will be deceived by your own eyes.
I'm open minded enough to believe in all sorts of things I can't see and to believe in things that people are unable to prove about our history. IE; Evolution. Also on spiritual aspects that you mentioned. I just don't believe in the same god some on here like to write about and mention. That big man in the sky who watched down on us all and who will be angry if we don't follow a "simple" set of rules set out by some nicean-like council. Religion is one of the oldest population control tools ever created and now that it is losing it's grip, celebrity & government seem to be the new religions. I doubt any of us have the ability to utilize our spiritual side anymore. The way the modern world is has shut that door for most of us
Don't be so doubtful it limits your spirit. Doubt is like a contraction: everything gets smaller.
"The big man in the sky" is a figure of speech, a quite lovely one if you think about it (and don't let your mind be blinded by judgments of nicean-like councils and the like).
Peace to you and yours.
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celebrity & government seem to be the new religions. I doubt any of us have the ability to utilize our spiritual side anymore. The way the modern world is has shut that door for most of us
That is indeed a correct statement, unfortunaly.
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You sound like a buddhist today Aladin :)
Some good points that I agree with though.
The internet = The mother of illusions.
Nothing is real here, just shadows dancing in the circus.
No Heinz I am no Budhist. :)
Although some aspects of Budhism and Islam have more similarities then most people think.
“On the path of Love we are neither masters nor the owners of our lives. We are only a brush in the hand of the Master Painter.” ~Rumi
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Nice quote, thanks.
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Interesting Analyses by military experts on the recent development in Syria:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/09/05/schlock-and-awe-israel-missile-test-fraud/