West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Aladin on September 12, 2013, 03:39:33 AM
-
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?_r=1&
What is your opinion?
Is he reasonable/unreasonable?
-
Yo.. Obama got served!!!
That's straight heat from Putin. He totally undermined the US Foreign Policy with that and definitely position Russia on the higher moral ground.
-
This article verbally castrates the Zionist war mongerers
-
This article verbally castrates the Zionist war mongerers
There are 2 quotes that I like 2 single out and give an humble opinion. It is an opinion so I could be wrong.
"No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack -- this time against Israel -- cannot be ignored."
-I would say that Mr Putin was aware that a next false flag attack was this time going to be perpetrated against israeli's interests in order to cancel Russia's diplomatic initiative.
By this statement, he surely pulled the rug from under zionists' feet.-
"No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization."
-No one Mr Putin, except (among others) the Zionists who are hell-bent on so ruling the world so that they can bestow on Israel the status of 'Ruling State' in the world. The UN Security Council now stands in the way of the Zionists, obstructing them from advancing towards their goal; and hence it is entirely predictable that the UN will now experience the same fate as the League of Nations.-
-
There are 2 quotes that I like 2 single out and give an humble opinion. It is an opinion so I could be wrong.
"No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack -- this time against Israel -- cannot be ignored."
-I would say that Mr Putin was aware that a next false flag attack was this time going to be perpetrated against israeli's interests in order to cancel Russia's diplomatic initiative.
By this statement, he surely pulled the rug from under zionists' feet.-
"No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization."
-No one Mr Putin, except (among others) the Zionists who are hell-bent on so ruling the world so that they can bestow on Israel the status of 'Ruling State' in the world. The UN Security Council now stands in the way of the Zionists, obstructing them from advancing towards their goal; and hence it is entirely predictable that the UN will now experience the same fate as the League of Nations.-
good points... I also thought it was clever how he used America's rush to label any and everyone a terrorist against them, and pointed out that they had already labeled certain opposition groups in Syria as "Al-Queda" or "terrorist groups".
-
Vladimir Putin is a hypocrite.
-
Vladimir Putin is a hypocrite.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing because I don't know much about the guy, but can you cite some specific examples that make him a hypocrite?
-
Vladimir Putin is a hypocrite.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing because I don't know much about the guy, but can you cite some specific examples that make him a hypocrite?
Why is that Heinz?
-
Give me a hypocrite over those trying to start world war 3 any day
-
This Syria theatre is working a charm because a lot of people are falling for it and buying into the Russia/China V the West angle. All of their owners want the same thing - Complete monetary control of the middle east, yet Syria and Iran stand in their way of that. Whether it comes from Russian occupation of middle eastern countries or whether it comes from Western occupation, it is still the same thing, because both the US and Russia are controlled by the same!
They know the people's view on war after an exhaustive decade of conflict, debt, and a shattered society, so now they have Russia and it's president being the one to speak common sense. They are looking like protectors and saviours after sitting quiet for 10 years.
Will the 1 world government for "peace and stability" come from Russia with Putin as the world leader, or Putin with Jinping or Obama as vice president/spokesperson/salesman of the new world. WW3 may come, but it's all planned.
-
This Syria theatre is working a charm because a lot of people are falling for it and buying into the Russia/China V the West angle. All of their owners want the same thing - Complete monetary control of the middle east, yet Syria and Iran stand in their way of that. Whether it comes from Russian occupation of middle eastern countries or whether it comes from Western occupation, it is still the same thing, because both the US and Russia are controlled by the same!
They know the people's view on war after an exhaustive decade of conflict, debt, and a shattered society, so now they have Russia and it's president being the one to speak common sense. They are looking like protectors and saviours after sitting quiet for 10 years.
Will the 1 world government for "peace and stability" come from Russia with Putin as the world leader, or Putin with Jinping or Obama as vice president/spokesperson/salesman of the new world. WW3 may come, but it's all planned.
I realy think that you are wrong here.
You can call Putin a hypocrite, a tyrant whatever.
Russia defends it's own interest.
Charles de Gaulle said: Nations do not have friends, they have interest.
But 2 suggest that he would love 2 start WW3 together with the United States is simply wrong.
They both are getting played!
There is a third party who really calls the shots, and even if you are the most sceptic it is easy 2 proof that the this third party wants this clash.
This last week, US Navy (including Aircraft Carier) and Russian Navy (Including Carier destroyer) are opposite each other in the Mediterranean.
WHY then does Israel Fire an unanounced missle(test) between the two.
If either would react , we would be in big trouble the couple of years.
So you really don't have 2 search that far 2 find one player who is diabolic in it's aim.
And it can not be from pure human being perspective.
No one is that diabolic except someone like the Anti-christ. All three abrahamic Religion warned mankind of him.
In Arabic the Anti-Christ is called Daijal.
Daijal .. comes from the arabic rootword Daijala - which Means Deception.
Mossad's motto: By way of deception you shall make war.
-
It may or may not be true but religion is one of the oldest forms of population control and it is (IMO) something that the ptb like to follow from time to time in order to give religion (and writings) validity.
You may be right, both parties may be getting played, but then both parties may already know the progressive ambition to push singular control in the hands of a few and are paid handsomely for it. But then not
All of Europe has become united under the EU banner. Notice the new US and French relationship? Next it will be the US and Germany and before we know it, EU and the US will merge under a new banner. One united in financial stability, peace etc etc. Israel and Saudi Arabia have been trying to do the same in the middle east for decades using Western military and intelligence expertise.
-
I'm always skeptical when I see something like this. There is always a hidden purpose behind EVERYTHING a political leader says (especially Poutine). He didn't write this to enlighten us with his great wisdom, showing us the true face of the american society. That is only what he wants America to beleive. Why does he wants that? We can't say, we're not informed of everything that went down in Syria, we can only speculate.
-
I'm always skeptical when I see something like this. There is always a hidden purpose behind EVERYTHING a political leader says (especially Poutine). He didn't write this to enlighten us with his great wisdom, showing us the true face of the american society. That is only what he wants America to beleive. Why does he wants that? We can't say, we're not informed of everything that went down in Syria, we can only speculate.
Putin is try 2 influence US public opinion. Ofcourse, but that does not mean that we ignore him.
@ all.
I will give my opinion again. And remember when I give an opinion, I can be wrong.
What the Great Evil Chessplayer wants. Is 2 make sure that the direct competition will be put out of the game. So itself can claim that it is the ruling state in the world.
Those 2 are Russia and China and Western Europe + USA.
These two groups are Major players
Forget Saudia Arabia and Iran etc. They are not a threat, they can barely defend itself against an foreign intervention.
(Although Iran may do damage 2 US interest in Saudi Arabia)
If The Chessplayer can have these two groups eliminate each other.
It will be the sole superpower standing over the ruins of the rest of the world.
-
I'm always skeptical when I see something like this. There is always a hidden purpose behind EVERYTHING a political leader says (especially Poutine). He didn't write this to enlighten us with his great wisdom, showing us the true face of the american society. That is only what he wants America to beleive. Why does he wants that? We can't say, we're not informed of everything that went down in Syria, we can only speculate.
Putin is try 2 influence US public opinion. Ofcourse, but that does not mean that we ignore him.
@ all.
I will give my opinion again. And remember when I give an opinion, I can be wrong.
What the Great Evil Chessplayer wants. Is 2 make sure that the direct competition will be put out of the game. So itself can claim that it is the ruling state in the world.
Those 2 are Russia and China and Western Europe + USA.
These two groups are Major players
Forget Saudia Arabia and Iran etc. They are not a threat, they can barely defend itself against an foreign intervention.
(Although Iran may do damage 2 US interest in Saudi Arabia)
If The Chessplayer can have these two groups eliminate each other.
It will be the sole superpower standing over the ruins of the rest of the world.
And who do you think the chessplayer is? To me, what you say only makes sens if that chessplayer is able to put himself in such a position if these 2 groups (western europe+usa and Russia+China) eliminitae each other. I don't think any country or any corporation seems to be in taht supposed chessplayer position. Maybe it only is, like you said earlier, multiple nations trying to defend their interest the best they can.
That's why I said we can only speculate
-
And who do you think the chessplayer is? To me, what you say only makes sens if that chessplayer is able to put himself in such a position if these 2 groups (western europe+usa and Russia+China) eliminitae each other. I don't think any country or any corporation seems to be in taht supposed chessplayer position. Maybe it only is, like you said earlier, multiple nations trying to defend their interest the best they can.
That's why I said we can only speculate
Explain 2 me rationally then, why an country the size of a midget.
Is so powerful. that no politician, can become a president, without APAIC's approval.
The only US president in recent history 2 be impeached (well he resigned.) Was Nixon.
The latest watergate tapes released show him angry at these zionist (not jewish) lobby:
http://www.jta.org/2013/08/22/news-opinion/politics/new-nixon-tapes-show-more-anti-semitism
Explain 2 me why the watergate scandal was so bad, "because he spied on other politicians"
And Now obama spies on All americans, he gets 2 stay?
Is there logic involed, or is it used as a stick 2 hit Obama if he does not intervene in Syria?
Explain 2 me why this midget state has underground shelters under almost any home and building an Huge underground Hospital.
Explain 2 me why this midget state threatens you and me with the Samson option:
"Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003) as saying:
We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."
-
And who do you think the chessplayer is? To me, what you say only makes sens if that chessplayer is able to put himself in such a position if these 2 groups (western europe+usa and Russia+China) eliminitae each other. I don't think any country or any corporation seems to be in taht supposed chessplayer position. Maybe it only is, like you said earlier, multiple nations trying to defend their interest the best they can.
That's why I said we can only speculate
Explain 2 me rationally then, why an country the size of a midget.
Is so powerful. that no politician, can become a president, without APAIC's approval.
The only US president in recent history 2 be impeached (well he resigned.) Was Nixon.
The latest watergate tapes released show him angry at these zionist (not jewish) lobby:
http://www.jta.org/2013/08/22/news-opinion/politics/new-nixon-tapes-show-more-anti-semitism
Explain 2 me why the watergate scandal was so bad, "because he spied on other politicians"
And Now obama spies on All americans, he gets 2 stay?
Is there logic involed, or is it used as a stick 2 hit Obama if he does not intervene in Syria?
Explain 2 me why this midget state has underground shelters under almost any home and building an Huge underground Hospital.
Explain 2 me why this midget state threatens you and me with the Samson option:
"Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst's "The Gun and the Olive Branch" (2003) as saying:
We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: 'Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.' I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under."
I can't explain it to you, because I'm not aware of the facts. Using your own logic, someone could come up with a theory saying that you are the one being tricked by the zionist theory into anti-semitism. I'm not saying that is what I beleive, all I'm saying is that you can't use your rationale to go in only one direction. If you think that everything is a chess game and that every politician in the world is being tricked by a third-party, you can come up with the theory that this third party is tricked by a fourth party, and so on. It never ends.
My point is that I don't think it is possible to get to the truth regarding global politics. There is too much going on behind the scenes. We have to stay informed about the events but sadly we can't do much more. I don't beleive in politics at all.
That's why I only said that Poutine is trying to influence public US opinion. Because, that's really the only thing I can say about that letter he wrote. I know there is probably a deeper meaning about all of this, but HOW can we know? Sometimes, when you start having doubt about everything, you can't tell the truth even if it's in front of your eyes. That is the danger with conspiracy theories. I'm not saying that your opinion is shit, you are obviously well informed about the subject, way more than I am. I just don't want to start explaining every event that happens in the world with a theory that nobody can prove so it must be true. It's too easy to loose yourself in all of this.
-
I can't explain it to you, because I'm not aware of the facts. Using your own logic, someone could come up with a theory saying that you are the one being tricked by the zionist theory into anti-semitism. I'm not saying that is what I beleive, all I'm saying is that you can't use your rationale to go in only one direction. If you think that everything is a chess game and that every politician in the world is being tricked by a third-party, you can come up with the theory that this third party is tricked by a fourth party, and so on. It never ends.
My point is that I don't think it is possible to get to the truth regarding global politics. There is too much going on behind the scenes. We have to stay informed about the events but sadly we can't do much more. I don't beleive in politics at all.
That's why I only said that Poutine is trying to influence public US opinion. Because, that's really the only thing I can say about that letter he wrote. I know there is probably a deeper meaning about all of this, but HOW can we know? Sometimes, when you start having doubt about everything, you can't tell the truth even if it's in front of your eyes. That is the danger with conspiracy theories. I'm not saying that your opinion is shit, you are obviously well informed about the subject, way more than I am. I just don't want to start explaining every event that happens in the world with a theory that nobody can prove so it must be true. It's too easy to loose yourself in all of this.
I agree with you. If we would use only rational. We could never, let me repeat that, Never understand the world.
Indeed there must be a balance, if there is not, it will consume you and destroy you.
But God Almighty had mercy on us and send us guidance through Prophets and guidance through our hearts.
And last not least, the search for truth is a search that anyone should take on his own.
-
I can't explain it to you, because I'm not aware of the facts. Using your own logic, someone could come up with a theory saying that you are the one being tricked by the zionist theory into anti-semitism. I'm not saying that is what I beleive, all I'm saying is that you can't use your rationale to go in only one direction. If you think that everything is a chess game and that every politician in the world is being tricked by a third-party, you can come up with the theory that this third party is tricked by a fourth party, and so on. It never ends.
My point is that I don't think it is possible to get to the truth regarding global politics. There is too much going on behind the scenes. We have to stay informed about the events but sadly we can't do much more. I don't beleive in politics at all.
That's why I only said that Poutine is trying to influence public US opinion. Because, that's really the only thing I can say about that letter he wrote. I know there is probably a deeper meaning about all of this, but HOW can we know? Sometimes, when you start having doubt about everything, you can't tell the truth even if it's in front of your eyes. That is the danger with conspiracy theories. I'm not saying that your opinion is shit, you are obviously well informed about the subject, way more than I am. I just don't want to start explaining every event that happens in the world with a theory that nobody can prove so it must be true. It's too easy to loose yourself in all of this.
I agree with you. If we would use only rational. We could never, let me repeat that, Never understand the world.
Indeed there must be a balance, if there is not, it will consume you and destroy you.
But God Almighty had mercy on us and send us guidance through Prophets and guidance through our hearts.
And last not least, the search for truth is a search that anyone should take on his own.
Which is simply showing us that we need chaos as much as good. I like your rationale.
I'm reading a book about Fidel Castro ''Fidel l'infdèle'' right now. He is full of contradictions, this is quite interesting. But in the end, his influence on his own people were pretty negative as a whole. However, he escaped soooooo many situations where his life was in danger, it's almost impossible. It really is. And each time, it was the weirdest coincidence you couldn't imagine. Almost every important character of his life were related somehow someway. And the way he manipulated his image and his mind in the eyes of the people he knew, it is incredibly intelligent.
In the end, it is hard to read all of that and to beleive all of that, because the way it all happened just seems impossible. How a guy like him could stay alive for so long. So you start having doubts about everything that is written in the book because, maybe there's a chance the story wasn't true. If so, who is saying the truth? You don't know, so you have to start the circle again and again and again....
-
Which is simply showing us that we need chaos as much as good.
Now you go philosophical one me :)
But it is True.
If you dont have darkness, how do you define light.
If you don't have sadness, how do you define happiness.
we could go on and on....
-
I watched this debate about Syria with George Galloway. I wanted 2 share it with Y'all.
Although I might not always agree with him.
In my opinion he wins hands down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqmKUyuWPYU
-
George Galloway is for the most part decent in terms of how a politician goes, which is why he was smeared and character-assassinated and now when people think of George Galloway they think "traitor", and "hates the UK".
I've listened to his show and he can be quite rude, not allowing callers to have their say. The holocaust was one topic in particular, when a caller was giving god scientific reasoning and all Galloway could do was call him a disgusting human being.
-
George Galloway is for the most part decent in terms of how a politician goes, which is why he was smeared and character-assassinated and now when people think of George Galloway they think "traitor", and "hates the UK".
I've listened to his show and he can be quite rude, not allowing callers to have their say. The holocaust was one topic in particular, when a caller was giving god scientific reasoning and all Galloway could do was call him a disgusting human being.
I know what you mean, he plays sometimes on the player instead of the ball.
But this time the interviewer deserved it. iF she acts like Saudi's involvement is questionable,
then I can not take her serious.
About the Holocoast, if there were a milion victims or 6 million is irrelavant 2 me.
The jewish people suffered terribly from the nazi's.
And in Europe they looked the other way.
No matter what I think of zionism.
Wrong is wrong and opression is opression.
Now let me give another opinion.
I believe and I am allowed 2 give my opinion. So don't attack me 4 it.
Without the Holocaust zionism would not be a popular idea with the poor european jews.
They are as much a victim of Nazi's as zionism. Although they may not agree with me.
But the statement of the first israeli head of state speak for itself:
"When I could save 1 milion children by transporting them 2 Britain or
I could save half a million by transporting them 2 Israel, I would choose the second."
The quote is out the top of my head, so the words could differ.
-
He's either going to say something you like and 100% agree with, or something that makes you say "come on George, open your mind a little". When it comes to the middle east conflict though, he's on the ball unlike most MP's, but I would assume that he has spent a lot of his time visiting the region, researching it, knowing it's history, establishing contacts, and is therefore in a more valid position to comment on than say someone in a direct prime minister role who is securely escorted to meet a military official as a part of some PR stunt.
I agree with your comments on the holocaust. But, I'm going to take it that step further and state how I don't believe the holocaust ever happened. There's only 2 pieces of evidence to suggest human beings suffered - "testimony" and "rescue pictures". No valid evidence, or undeniable proof has ever been submitted to the confirmation of the holocaust. It was a very well orchestrated lie that has allowed what we have today. Now to deny the holocaust is like instantly branding yourself a racist. To even comment on the real reason Germany was at war with the West brands you a racist Hitler supremacist. I am neither of those things and love all races and cultures equally
-
I agree with your comments on the holocaust. But, I'm going to take it that step further and state how I don't believe the holocaust ever happened. There's only 2 pieces of evidence to suggest human beings suffered - "testimony" and "rescue pictures". No valid evidence, or undeniable proof has ever been submitted to the confirmation of the holocaust. It was a very well orchestrated lie that has allowed what we have today. Now to deny the holocaust is like instantly branding yourself a racist. To even comment on the real reason Germany was at war with the West brands you a racist Hitler supremacist. I am neither of those things and love all races and cultures equally
What you are is a delusional and conspiratoric idiot that gets your belief from secondhand sources (illusions).
Most of my mothers family (sephardic jews) and most of my wifes family (roma gypsies) were rounded up and slaughtered during WW2.
My grandparents managed to escape (only survivors of an extensive family) and that is the reason why I am alive today.
My breath is proof of the holocaust.
May G_d have mercy upon you.
-
What you are is a delusional and conspiratoric idiot that gets your belief from secondhand sources (illusions).
Most of my mothers family (sephardic jews) and most of my wifes family (roma gypsies) were rounded up and slaughtered during WW2.
My grandparents managed to escape (only survivors of an extensive family) and that is the reason why I am alive today.
My breath is proof of the holocaust.
May G_d have mercy upon you.
May G_d reward them the seventh heaven.
It is terrible that some people even deny their suffering.
But his opinion, although we may not agree with him, is still his opinion. And he has the right 2 express it.
-
Thank you Aladin.
He is entitled to his opinion, much like a blind person also is entitled to review movies.
Don't expect me to agree with stupidity though. Or to refrain from calling a spade a spade.
-
Thank you Aladin.
He is entitled to his opinion, much like a blind person also is entitled to review movies.
Don't expect me to agree with stupidity though. Or to refrain from calling a spade a spade.
I would be dissapointed if you did :)
-
I agree with your comments on the holocaust. But, I'm going to take it that step further and state how I don't believe the holocaust ever happened. There's only 2 pieces of evidence to suggest human beings suffered - "testimony" and "rescue pictures". No valid evidence, or undeniable proof has ever been submitted to the confirmation of the holocaust. It was a very well orchestrated lie that has allowed what we have today. Now to deny the holocaust is like instantly branding yourself a racist. To even comment on the real reason Germany was at war with the West brands you a racist Hitler supremacist. I am neither of those things and love all races and cultures equally
What you are is a delusional and conspiratoric idiot that gets your belief from secondhand sources (illusions).
Most of my mothers family (sephardic jews) and most of my wifes family (roma gypsies) were rounded up and slaughtered during WW2.
My grandparents managed to escape (only survivors of an extensive family) and that is the reason why I am alive today.
My breath is proof of the holocaust.
May G_d have mercy upon you.
Interesting you should mention blindness. If you were to spend the time to look into this (rather than clearly being fed 2nd hand sources yourself) you would see that it was physically impossible to systematically murder so many people and have them vanish without a trace, if looking at blueprint designs and studying the camps themselves.
The common theme here is simple, millions of jews were murdered at the hands of the nazi's. It's a theme both shared by mainstream history, politics, education and of course hollywood. An "enlightened" individual such as yourself however should be clever enough to see through this hidden agenda but it is clear you aren't. It's fine and I understand. With so much public backlash at denying such a huge atrocity, it's no easy decision and not one you could take back at a later date.
So, people died in the camps? Yes they did. Did people suffer in the camps? Yes they did. People were malnourished, starving, ill, some with disease that is all correct. Where is the evidence of mass gassings? You won't find any! What the mainstream and history books fail to mention is that it was the allied bombing to the road and rail networks that prevented much needed food and medical supplies to reach these camps that were in remote locations in vital need of them. They fail to mention that it the bombing that caused huge loss of life.
They also fail to mention the jazz bands in Auschwitz every Saturday afternoon, the weddings, the babysitting facilities, the money that was issued weekly, the postcards available from the shops that people were able to send out. I know by now, you're going to be looking and scratching your head in confusion or maybe even disbelief, but that is usually the result from people that accept the mainstream version of events and can't envision anything else.
You see for you (if what you say is true, which I highly doubt) are not the only one to have relations that temporarily lived in camps ;) So before you try that one, tread carefully. You may think you know about the holocaust and WW2 but your response shows you know nothing
-
I agree with your comments on the holocaust. But, I'm going to take it that step further and state how I don't believe the holocaust ever happened. There's only 2 pieces of evidence to suggest human beings suffered - "testimony" and "rescue pictures". No valid evidence, or undeniable proof has ever been submitted to the confirmation of the holocaust. It was a very well orchestrated lie that has allowed what we have today. Now to deny the holocaust is like instantly branding yourself a racist. To even comment on the real reason Germany was at war with the West brands you a racist Hitler supremacist. I am neither of those things and love all races and cultures equally
What you are is a delusional and conspiratoric idiot that gets your belief from secondhand sources (illusions).
Most of my mothers family (sephardic jews) and most of my wifes family (roma gypsies) were rounded up and slaughtered during WW2.
My grandparents managed to escape (only survivors of an extensive family) and that is the reason why I am alive today.
My breath is proof of the holocaust.
May G_d have mercy upon you.
Interesting you should mention blindness. If you were to spend the time to look into this (rather than clearly being fed 2nd hand sources yourself) you would see that it was physically impossible to systematically murder so many people and have them vanish without a trace, if looking at blueprint designs and studying the camps themselves.
The common theme here is simple, millions of jews were murdered at the hands of the nazi's. It's a theme both shared by mainstream history, politics, education and of course hollywood. An "enlightened" individual such as yourself however should be clever enough to see through this hidden agenda but it is clear you aren't. It's fine and I understand. With so much public backlash at denying such a huge atrocity, it's no easy decision and not one you could take back at a later date.
So, people died in the camps? Yes they did. Did people suffer in the camps? Yes they did. People were malnourished, starving, ill, some with disease that is all correct. Where is the evidence of mass gassings? You won't find any! What the mainstream and history books fail to mention is that it was the allied bombing to the road and rail networks that prevented much needed food and medical supplies to reach these camps that were in remote locations in vital need of them. They fail to mention that it the bombing that caused huge loss of life.
They also fail to mention the jazz bands in Auschwitz every Saturday afternoon, the weddings, the babysitting facilities, the money that was issued weekly, the postcards available from the shops that people were able to send out. I know by now, you're going to be looking and scratching your head in confusion or maybe even disbelief, but that is usually the result from people that accept the mainstream version of events and can't envision anything else.
You see for you (if what you say is true, which I highly doubt) are not the only one to have relations that temporarily lived in camps ;) So before you try that one, tread carefully. You may think you know about the holocaust and WW2 but your response shows you know nothing
You beleive in something wrong, my friend. You say we can't prove the holocaust happened. Following your logic, we can't prove it didn't happen. Following your logic, we should simply beleive that since we can't prove that this event happened, we shouldn't beleive in the story at all.
When you start making an explanation based on suppositions, you are blind yourself. In a different way, but you are blind. What I hate about conspirationism is that you beleive nothing is real in this world and then create the most improbable story as being ''true'' just because you can't prove it exists. You become what you think everyone else is: a follower of illusions. You think you are enlightened but you are manipulated by your own thoughts in the worst possible way. You are not manipulated by events, but by your own mind.
-
You are correct in what you are saying. I can neither prove nor deny my point. I'm not saying to deny the holocaust because it can't be proven, but to have an understanding of everything before making a valid decision or refuting someone elses as ridiculous because it differs from a mainstream version of events.
What I say is that based on design and what was at the camps, that it was physically impossible to systematically murder millions of people as reported, unless they had some kind of magical powers. This isn't me trying to be funny because I'm open minded enough to believe that anything is possible including magic, but people need to really look into this, and ask why the West was at war with Germany in the first place. A lot of people can't even begin to imagine SS soilders painting Snow White on a wall within a room that was to be used to showcase a childs play, or football games being played (that's soccer for you Americans)
Germany, or any country for that matter who aims to wipe out it's entire labour force during peak war time is just ridiculous. Wave goodbye to full rate production, a key element to winning wars (back in those days)
A lot of lies have been told on this and to "blindly" accept what has been told to us through a combination of testimony, news and hollywood would be a silly thing to do considering the level of confidence we have in these methods of accurateness for truth because if that were the case 9/11 was carried out by Bin Laden, and we went to war in Iraq and Afghan to give them freedom.
I am not enlightened nor claim to be. I am simply an individual that looks at information cautiously and like to do as much as I can to ensure it is accurate before accepting it as a possible truth.
-
You are correct in what you are saying. I can neither prove nor deny my point. I'm not saying to deny the holocaust because it can't be proven, but to have an understanding of everything before making a valid decision or refuting someone elses as ridiculous because it differs from a mainstream version of events.
What I say is that based on design and what was at the camps, that it was physically impossible to systematically murder millions of people as reported, unless they had some kind of magical powers. This isn't me trying to be funny because I'm open minded enough to believe that anything is possible including magic, but people need to really look into this, and ask why the West was at war with Germany in the first place. A lot of people can't even begin to imagine SS soilders painting Snow White on a wall within a room that was to be used to showcase a childs play, or football games being played (that's soccer for you Americans)
Germany, or any country for that matter who aims to wipe out it's entire labour force during peak war time is just ridiculous. Wave goodbye to full rate production, a key element to winning wars (back in those days)
A lot of lies have been told on this and to "blindly" accept what has been told to us through a combination of testimony, news and hollywood would be a silly thing to do considering the level of confidence we have in these methods of accurateness for truth because if that were the case 9/11 was carried out by Bin Laden, and we went to war in Iraq and Afghan to give them freedom.
I am not enlightened nor claim to be. I am simply an individual that looks at information cautiously and like to do as much as I can to ensure it is accurate before accepting it as a possible truth.
It is indeed True that the chain of events that lead towards WW2 is indeed questionable.
I say WW2 was the unfinished business of WW1. And the Zionist (not jews, there is a difference) played a role in both wars.
But the germans were really ruthless in their conduct.
If one German was killed by the resistance, They would round up 10, 50 or 100 random men from villagers and they would be executed.
The decision how many men would be executed (10 for every german soldier or 50 etc.) was done by higher command, depending on how much resistance there was in that area.
If you couple this ruthlessness with Hitler's rhetoric against what he called international jewery. It is not hard 2 imagine, when Germany was facing defeat, what german soldiers would do with innocent jews in their camp.
To discuss technicalities (how it is done how many) is for me irrelevant, these innocent people (men, women and childeren) were removed from their homes, transported 2 these camps and their they died.
People who had their lives ahead of them, people who were like you and me full of ambitions.
People who had nothing to do with world politics.
Imagine yourself and your family in that position. It is horrifying. That's why we must honour the death of innocent people in war. Like today we honour and feel sad for the innocent victims who are attacked by the same godless forces in Syria (wheter they claim they are muslims is irrelavant their conduct is godless.)
-
Hitler and Germany were demonized for one reason - Hitler once in power turned his back on the bankers and financiers who put him there!!!
He kicked them all out of Germany once in power, including all the Jewish owned media and transformed their bankrupt nation into a world superpower in just under 4 years. In under 4 years Germany went from mass unemployment to flourishing. The people in Germany were no longer starving, poor and homeless. People were working, had homes, were enjoying life. Hell, the money in the citizens pockets had an extra 20+% purchasing power. They created the Autobahn road network, rail lines, all in under 4 years by doing what we should ALL be doing - Cutting the bankers out. Bankers who own all of us had no control to wield in Germany. Some countries in Europe weren't even invaded. History books like to tell us Germany just went on a power trip and started swallowing up countries all over Europe unwillingly. Some of them actually agreed with Hitler and the bankers just couldn't have this man and new Germany run around and influence other countries to remove them, and remove their hold over them.
This is why Hitler was reluctant to bend the UK over and fk it like it could have done easily so many times, because the UK was going through the same parasitical transformation where the financial elite were gaining full control over the former empire and they knew this. They knew it wasn't the UK's fault. They wanted the UK to join them many times.
It was the reason Spencer Perceval was assassinated, The only British Prime Minister to have been assassinated, all because he simply "criticised" the Bank of England (same people behind the FED). JFK - Another who simply "tried" to take power out of the bankers hands was also assassinated. Hitler was successful though, and not only that, other countries in Europe were taking note and supporting it. This is why France, Russia, UK and USA (all owned by the same banking cartel) done everything they could to stop them so that the bankers would maintain control.
Today the history books tell us Hitler was a racist homophobe, and the Nazi's were psycho's, and anyone supporting their cause today is a racist skinhead. Yup, there are those who support them because of this myth and notion. People like JFK get to be heroic because they never succeeded. But had JFK been successful, he would have been known today as the "European-hating mafia-affiliated sexually-perverted scum bag" who raped several women because he could
I agree with your point about WW2 being a continuation of WW1 100% and the Zionists playing a role in both wars. I just think more from both sides needs to be discussed