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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Mr. O on September 27, 2013, 12:08:05 AM
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I'm not... shitty obama.... fuckin' making us get insurrance..otherwise we get taxed.
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socialist...yes?
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you don't get taxed, you get fined.
but i don't think you have to worry until the end of 2014 from what I've heard. maybe each state is different though...i'll do some looking into this.
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Basically the fines are to cover if you don't get health insurance and 30 years down the line you get cancer or some shit. You wont be able to just take advantage of the shit because you would have been already paying for it (in fines).
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Y'all enroll, please. Fools about to get fucked lol. Don't cry when y'all get punked.
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Y'all enroll, please. Fools about to get fucked lol. Don't cry when y'all get punked.
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Half of yall mad about Obama Care were cheering on those trillion dollar wars. i find that funny.
Obama is a bitch, I wanna make that clear first and foremost. I ain't a supporter of his by a long shot. But the Affordable Health Care Act is ultimately a good thing. People never think about gettin sick until they get sick. And by the time they get sick, they can't get insured and then they die because they can't afford care. This shit isn't perfect, but it'll do some people good.
Fuck B-Rock doe.
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yeah this is great for anyone who can't get good insurance because of a pre-existing condition
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I know f all about obama care, but I would just like to point out to the gaping hole between the money and resourcing poured into health care vs providing people with non posionous, good quality food, the difference between the multi billion culture of oh here here is another antibiotic vs the demonisation of alternative medicines. My point really is that as soon as you allow private corporations a foothold, then you are beholden to them and these people (in the loose sense of the word have no intention of curing anyone). With that said, I do recognise that there are a lot of people with all sorts of crippling diseases and illnesses which have resulted from the poisons garbage which they have been subjected to, so my questions is.....
Is the net effect of this good or bad for the average person? In your opinion of course
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I know f all about obama care, but I would just like to point out to the gaping hole between the money and resourcing poured into health care vs providing people with non posionous, good quality food, the difference between the multi billion culture of oh here here is another antibiotic vs the demonisation of alternative medicines. My point really is that as soon as you allow private corporations a foothold, then you are beholden to them and these people (in the loose sense of the word have no intention of curing anyone). With that said, I do recognise that there are a lot of people with all sorts of crippling diseases and illnesses which have resulted from the poisons garbage which they have been subjected to, so my questions is.....
Is the net effect of this good or bad for the average person? In your opinion of course
Valid points. For sure, if you can afford private insurance, you should go with that shit. Hopefully, private insurance and health costs in general will go down too since they have to compete with the government.
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For the few details I got on this, I think the biggest problem is that those without jobs still won't have insurance. So basically those who can pay hospital bills the least.
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Y'all enroll, please. Fools about to get fucked lol. Don't cry when y'all get punked.
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I could get specific, but put it this way: Obummer is pushing it extremely hard, so you know it's extremely corrupt. Extremely.
Here's an example: you smoke trees. You get a physical which makes it obvious you smoke trees. This info is shared with our nazi govt, they pass it down to the local nazis and all the sudden you get a knock on your door. This is 1 of 1,000 reasons this is complete bullshit.
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Y'all enroll, please. Fools about to get fucked lol. Don't cry when y'all get punked.
elaborate
I could get specific, but put it this way: Obummer is pushing it extremely hard, so you know it's extremely corrupt. Extremely.
Here's an example: you smoke trees. You get a physical which makes it obvious you smoke trees. This info is shared with our nazi govt, they pass it down to the local nazis and all the sudden you get a knock on your door. This is 1 of 1,000 reasons this is complete bullshit.
lol
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Y'all enroll, please. Fools about to get fucked lol. Don't cry when y'all get punked.
elaborate
I could get specific, but put it this way: Obummer is pushing it extremely hard, so you know it's extremely corrupt. Extremely.
Here's an example: you smoke trees. You get a physical which makes it obvious you smoke trees. This info is shared with our nazi govt, they pass it down to the local nazis and all the sudden you get a knock on your door. This is 1 of 1,000 reasons this is complete bullshit.
i feel ya
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You think the government doesn't already know you smoke weed from monitoring your phone calls/texts dummy? I'm sure the government is compiling a database of all the weed smokers across the country.
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Or that you have a medical marijuana card?
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yea, they do, but his point was much deeper than that
now they'll have even more access to everything and anything...it's all a ploy, and he's 100% right
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You think the government doesn't already know you smoke weed from monitoring your phone calls/texts dummy? I'm sure the government is compiling a database of all the weed smokers across the country.
When did I say that cock breath? I'm merely providing one of 1000's of examples to my greater point. This is enforced by the IRS. I'm sure that's meaningless to you right? They're just using them as enforcement because they were bored, right?
It's another step toward an economy 100% controlled by govt and extorting the people.
Soon they'll chip your ass, know everything you're consuming. Have 2 beers? Guess what, your car won't start.
The agenda has been in place and very slowly and meticulously being implemented. Not all at once, nice and slow so you simpletons won't even know its happening.
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yea, they do, but his point was much deeper than that
now they'll have even more access to everything and anything...it's all a ploy, and he's 100% right
Exactly.
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Basically the fines are to cover if you don't get health insurance and 30 years down the line you get cancer or some shit. You wont be able to just take advantage of the shit because you would have been already paying for it (in fines).
But those fines wouldn't be used to cover your health expenses. You'd still have to pay for all your medical bills. So the individual mandate doesn't change anything. I don't think $95 is going to convince someone to get health insurance if they could of afforded it before. By 2016, the fine will go up to $695 per year and that will convince some, but not most to get insurance.
After being staunchly against Obamacare for years, I am starting to see it's benefits. However I still take issue with some things:
1. The individual mandate is grossly unconstitutional regardless of what the supreme court says.
2. Premiums will go up to compensate for all the sick and poor (who generally live a less healthier lifestyle) people enrolling in insurance programs.
3. The law creates a tax on medical equipment, which is retarded if you want to control medical costs.
4. All the bleeding-heart liberals you use argumentum ad passiones to justify anything (ok, that one's not specifically for Obamacare).
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name one thing the govt does well that benefits citizens and ill agree with yall. til then fuck obamacare
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You think the government doesn't already know you smoke weed from monitoring your phone calls/texts dummy? I'm sure the government is compiling a database of all the weed smokers across the country.
When did I say that cock breath? I'm merely providing one of 1000's of examples to my greater point. This is enforced by the IRS. I'm sure that's meaningless to you right? They're just using them as enforcement because they were bored, right?
It's another step toward an economy 100% controlled by govt and extorting the people.
Soon they'll chip your ass, know everything you're consuming. Have 2 beers? Guess what, your car won't start.
The agenda has been in place and very slowly and meticulously being implemented. Not all at once, nice and slow so you simpletons won't even know its happening.
If that's your best example it's a pretty fuckin stupid one.
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You think the government doesn't already know you smoke weed from monitoring your phone calls/texts dummy? I'm sure the government is compiling a database of all the weed smokers across the country.
When did I say that cock breath? I'm merely providing one of 1000's of examples to my greater point. This is enforced by the IRS. I'm sure that's meaningless to you right? They're just using them as enforcement because they were bored, right?
It's another step toward an economy 100% controlled by govt and extorting the people.
Soon they'll chip your ass, know everything you're consuming. Have 2 beers? Guess what, your car won't start.
The agenda has been in place and very slowly and meticulously being implemented. Not all at once, nice and slow so you simpletons won't even know its happening.
If that's your best example it's a pretty fuckin stupid one.
You have no argument, just ad-homonyms. I'm sorry your ability for pattern recognition is poor, I'll pray for you.
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I'm not arguing for obamacare dumbfuck. Just don't see your conspiracy theory as a realistic possibility. You don't even know what you're saying yourself. You just said because the government is pushing it, it must be bad. And they are compiling a list of weed smokers. So they could knock on their door. Knock on your door and do what? Tell you they know? Arrest you for the oz you have? You're an idiot. You probably wear a Che Guevara t shirt and listen to Rage Against The Machine.
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I'm not arguing for obamacare dumbfuck. Just don't see your conspiracy theory as a realistic possibility. You don't even know what you're saying yourself. You just said because the government is pushing it, it must be bad. And they are compiling a list of weed smokers. So they could knock on their door. Knock on your door and do what? Tell you they know? Arrest you for the oz you have? You're an idiot. You probably wear a Che Guevara t shirt and listen to Rage Against The Machine.
So the IRS enforcing it is a conspiracy theory? Why are they doing that?
You admit that they spy on every aspect of your life. Why do they do that?
Did it ever occur to you that those they are spying on would include judges, politicians, entertainers, etc for blackmailing purposes?
It is proven fact that they have targeted conservative groups who oppose the current administration via the IRS. Is that still a conspiracy theory in your mind?
And lmao at this dude mocking me w/ Che and RATM memes while having a fuckin ninja turtle in his profile.
You just keep frolicking around in candy land, I'll actually pay attention to reality.
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turn it up
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This thread just got way better.
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Every thread I touch is gold
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You think the government doesn't already know you smoke weed from monitoring your phone calls/texts dummy? I'm sure the government is compiling a database of all the weed smokers across the country.
When did I say that cock breath? I'm merely providing one of 1000's of examples to my greater point. This is enforced by the IRS. I'm sure that's meaningless to you right? They're just using them as enforcement because they were bored, right?
It's another step toward an economy 100% controlled by govt and extorting the people.
Soon they'll chip your ass, know everything you're consuming. Have 2 beers? Guess what, your car won't start.
The agenda has been in place and very slowly and meticulously being implemented. Not all at once, nice and slow so you simpletons won't even know its happening.
This!
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I'm not arguing for obamacare dumbfuck. Just don't see your conspiracy theory as a realistic possibility. You don't even know what you're saying yourself. You just said because the government is pushing it, it must be bad. And they are compiling a list of weed smokers. So they could knock on their door. Knock on your door and do what? Tell you they know? Arrest you for the oz you have? You're an idiot. You probably wear a Che Guevara t shirt and listen to Rage Against The Machine.
So the IRS enforcing it is a conspiracy theory? Why are they doing that?
You admit that they spy on every aspect of your life. Why do they do that?
Did it ever occur to you that those they are spying on would include judges, politicians, entertainers, etc for blackmailing purposes?
It is proven fact that they have targeted conservative groups who oppose the current administration via the IRS. Is that still a conspiracy theory in your mind?
And lmao at this dude mocking me w/ Che and RATM memes while having a fuckin ninja turtle in his profile.
You just keep frolicking around in candy land, I'll actually pay attention to reality.
And it was uncovered, as well as the NSA deal. Finally, it took about 3 posts of prodding to get something out of you! I think you give them too much credit to pull off this grand of a scheme. Shits getting uncovered left and right, they won't be able to keep something this big under wraps. Also (federal) judges are insured by FEHB (Federal Employee Health Benefits system), not Obamacare. According to you they should be being blackmailed already. Who gives a shit about entertainers.
I am not defending Obamacare. I'm stating that I don't think it's a spy program like you believe. There may be another hidden agenda, but I don't think they give a shit that you smoke weed or have a few beers and drive. Also, one of your previous points.. the government already knows what you consume, they don't need to chip you. You carry a fucking debit card that logs every purchase you make with it. Everything you purchase from the store has a UPC code. Logged.
People make it so easy, by filling out a Facebook profile about themselves. Listing their interests, home address, phone numbers, their relatives, where they work, religious views, their political views, what tv channels they watch, what books they read, posting on rap forums, and the hours they browse the internet. That NSA spying scandal is just extra cheese on the taco. I'm sure they already had certain people in their crosshairs for that shit. Most of this information you are afraid of them having is already out there.
So if this is a master spy scheme, wouldn't you think Republicans and Democrats would working together on this? Why do the Republicans oppose it so hard? All for show? Maybe. Spy scheme, don't think so. Other hidden agenda, highly likely. You are right about some things, but you are mostly wrong. Now go sip on your Rockstar energy drink and yell "Fuck the government" out your window, Che.
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U arent all fools!!! Argouing about samthing like this that is not impotent....while tupacs assassins our still on tha lose!!! U peopel need to get you're priourities straighter because this is not what u shouldnt be conserned about!!!
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U arent all fools!!! Argouing about samthing like this that is not impotent....while tupacs assassins our still on tha lose!!! U peopel need to get you're priourities straighter because this is not what u shouldnt be conserned about!!!
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Just read this from drudge report this morning. Exactly what I'm talking about:
Will Insurance Companies Use Smart Appliances to Monitor “Unhealthy” Habits?
Daniel Taylor
Infowars.com
October 22, 2013
Since 2008 Old-Thinker News has been covering the rapidly advancing Internet of Things (IoT). According to CIA chief David Patraeus the IoT will have a monumental impact on “clandestine tradecraft.”
Consumer appliances are now becoming activated and “smart.” RFID chips and wireless internet connections enable devices like televisions, refrigerators, printers, and computers to communicate with each other and generally make life easier for us. This comes at a price, however. Your privacy is eliminated.
A detailed multi-dimensional image of our daily lives will be built with this system. Individuals to entire group dynamics will be tracked. It will be unparalleled in history. Everything from daily travel routes to eating habits will be traceable. Every day objects will be transmitting data 24/7.
Now, insurance companies are anticipating this hyper-connected future. Will they spy on your eating habits and hike your health insurance costs?
As Mike Adams reported in March of this year, grocery store loyalty cards are being tracked by insurance companies to deny claims and raise health insurance rates. As the Wall Street Journal reported in early 2013, your company already knows whether you’ve been taking your meds, getting your teeth cleaned and going for regular medical checkups. Now some employers or their insurance companies are tracking what staffers eat, where they shop and how much weight they’re putting on — and taking action to keep them in line.
In the November-December issue of The Futurist, Richard Yonck writes, “In a world of total connectivity, the rate at which a household consumes sugar, salt, tobacco, and alcohol would potentially be an open book to insurers seeking to control costs.”
With the internet of things, spying on “unhealthy” habits will be a cinch. Wi-fi enabled refrigerators will read RFID tags on grocery products that are placed your fridge, and in turn send that data to the internet cloud. Are you eating a government approved diet? Taking your meds? If not, you will be paying a price for it in this nightmarish science fiction future that is soon to be science fact.
Daniel Taylor’s article first appeared on Old-thinker News.
This article was posted: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 at 12:29 pm
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U arent all fools!!! Argouing about samthing like this that is not impotent....while tupacs assassins our still on tha lose!!! U peopel need to get you're priourities straighter because this is not what u shouldnt be conserned about!!!
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For once I agree.
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So to address Jromes point, what he is saying is that through "legalised" means they will find out who is a smoker and then what? how about double or maybe triple your premiums? If your retort is well you have a choice, well yeah, but first of all you are going to be fined for having that choice and secondly this information will be sold by the government to the insurance companies so even if this healthcare system collapses, the insurance companies will mark you out.
So no, he is not being paranoid, he was illustrating how this was yet another step on the road to being imprisoned through the erosion of privacy, civil liberties and the advent of a new wave of technology which makes control of the citizen much easier to impose. The more sophisticated and integrated this becomes, the less overt the control needs to become as it becomes the staple of a person's existence and becomes the norm for the next generation.
That, is what he was illustrating.
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So to address Jromes point, what he is saying is that through "legalised" means they will find out who is a smoker and then what? how about double or maybe triple your premiums? If your retort is well you have a choice, well yeah, but first of all you are going to be fined for having that choice and secondly this information will be sold by the government to the insurance companies so even if this healthcare system collapses, the insurance companies will mark you out.
So no, he is not being paranoid, he was illustrating how this was yet another step on the road to being imprisoned through the erosion of privacy, civil liberties and the advent of a new wave of technology which makes control of the citizen much easier to impose. The more sophisticated and integrated this becomes, the less overt the control needs to become as it becomes the staple of a person's existence and becomes the norm for the next generation.
That, is what he was illustrating.
Hit the nail on the head.
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Go live in your bunkers then. What are you gonna do? You have few options. Live. Die. Or live in fear in your bunker full of cup of noodles. Are you going to spend your whole life reading about how you're being spied on? Please tell me.
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Go live in your bunkers then. What are you gonna do? You have few options. Live. Die. Or live in fear in your bunker full of cup of noodles. Are you going to spend your whole life reading about how you're being spied on? Please tell me.
So everytime you're not able to directly change something, like for instance the implementation of Obamacare you're supposed to shut up about it? Weird principle.
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No, I am asking what is their plan of action. Talk about it on dubcc? You can control your happiness and that's all I do. I just go out and live. Take care of the people I love. Not worried about who reads my text messages or listens to my phone calls because it doesn't fucking matter to me. Now, let's say it did matter to me. What do I do?
You are fighting a battle that is already lost brothers. The people are already under control. You got guys like Snowden risking his life for putting shit out in the open. But people of America get a little upset for 5 minutes then they go back to watching Kim Kardashian's tv show.
So where is your army? I will enlist. But I'll tell you we are very outnumbered.
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theog, whats ur old username on here?
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No, I am asking what is their plan of action. Talk about it on dubcc? You can control your happiness and that's all I do. I just go out and live. Take care of the people I love. Not worried about who reads my text messages or listens to my phone calls because it doesn't fucking matter to me. Now, let's say it did matter to me. What do I do?
You are fighting a battle that is already lost brothers. The people are already under control. You got guys like Snowden risking his life for putting shit out in the open. But people of America get a little upset for 5 minutes then they go back to watching Kim Kardashian's tv show.
So where is your army? I will enlist. But I'll tell you we are very outnumbered.
Okay, when you put it like that I'm more or less with you.Nothing wrong with staying informed, though. There still are decisions we are free to make, better to make them based on knowledge.
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elmizzy. Been down since early 00's
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No, I am asking what is their plan of action. Talk about it on dubcc? You can control your happiness and that's all I do. I just go out and live. Take care of the people I love. Not worried about who reads my text messages or listens to my phone calls because it doesn't fucking matter to me. Now, let's say it did matter to me. What do I do?
You are fighting a battle that is already lost brothers. The people are already under control. You got guys like Snowden risking his life for putting shit out in the open. But people of America get a little upset for 5 minutes then they go back to watching Kim Kardashian's tv show.
So where is your army? I will enlist. But I'll tell you we are very outnumbered.
Okay, when you put it like that I'm more or less with you.Nothing wrong with staying informed, though. There still are decisions we are free to make, better to make them based on knowledge.
But these guys are saying the same thing. "Through legalized means." Is the only difference. Doesn't matter that the NSA shit was illegal as fuck. It got swept right under the rug.
So what I am saying is that if the government wants to know about your health they pick up the phone and call Kaiser Permanente (or wherever you go for your check ups) and they get it sent over to them. What they are saying is with this obamacare all they do is open their browser and check your profile and the information is already there.
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Go live in your bunkers then. What are you gonna do? You have few options. Live. Die. Or live in fear in your bunker full of cup of noodles. Are you going to spend your whole life reading about how you're being spied on? Please tell me.
The only thing I fear is God. No bunkers here homeboy. I'm going to continue eatin lovely livin lavish. I understand this world is a test and knowing that, shit doesn't really phase me. I try to live with integrity despite whatever circumstances arise...that's what I'm gonna do about it. I discuss my views with anyone that wants to read it. If it gets you butthurt, maybe you should ask yourself why that is?
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Go live in your bunkers then. What are you gonna do? You have few options. Live. Die. Or live in fear in your bunker full of cup of noodles. Are you going to spend your whole life reading about how you're being spied on? Please tell me.
So everytime you're not able to directly change something, like for instance the implementation of Obamacare you're supposed to shut up about it? Weird principle.
Question nothing! Discuss only sports, movies, teenage mutant ninja turtles and nothing else! You fucking idiot!
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Go live in your bunkers then. What are you gonna do? You have few options. Live. Die. Or live in fear in your bunker full of cup of noodles. Are you going to spend your whole life reading about how you're being spied on? Please tell me.
So everytime you're not able to directly change something, like for instance the implementation of Obamacare you're supposed to shut up about it? Weird principle.
Question nothing! Discuss only sports, movies, teenage mutant ninja turtles and nothing else! You fucking idiot!
I hope that last sentence wasn't directed at me?
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Go live in your bunkers then. What are you gonna do? You have few options. Live. Die. Or live in fear in your bunker full of cup of noodles. Are you going to spend your whole life reading about how you're being spied on? Please tell me.
So everytime you're not able to directly change something, like for instance the implementation of Obamacare you're supposed to shut up about it? Weird principle.
Question nothing! Discuss only sports, movies, teenage mutant ninja turtles and nothing else! You fucking idiot!
I hope that last sentence wasn't directed at me?
Sarcasm my friend...I was mocking the ninja turtle getting mad at us for discussing these things.
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Go live in your bunkers then. What are you gonna do? You have few options. Live. Die. Or live in fear in your bunker full of cup of noodles. Are you going to spend your whole life reading about how you're being spied on? Please tell me.
So everytime you're not able to directly change something, like for instance the implementation of Obamacare you're supposed to shut up about it? Weird principle.
Question nothing! Discuss only sports, movies, teenage mutant ninja turtles and nothing else! You fucking idiot!
I hope that last sentence wasn't directed at me?
Sarcasm my friend...I was mocking the ninja turtle getting mad at us for discussing these things.
Ah yeah, forgot that he called you something along the lines. I already thought I'd have to reevaluate our relationship. ;D
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Go live in your bunkers then. What are you gonna do? You have few options. Live. Die. Or live in fear in your bunker full of cup of noodles. Are you going to spend your whole life reading about how you're being spied on? Please tell me.
So everytime you're not able to directly change something, like for instance the implementation of Obamacare you're supposed to shut up about it? Weird principle.
Question nothing! Discuss only sports, movies, teenage mutant ninja turtles and nothing else! You fucking idiot!
I hope that last sentence wasn't directed at me?
Sarcasm my friend...I was mocking the ninja turtle getting mad at us for discussing these things.
Ah yeah, forgot that he called you something along the lines. I already thought I'd have to reevaluate our relationship. ;D
I have respect for you my friend. We may not agree, but you're no buffoon and I respect that.
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Go live in your bunkers then. What are you gonna do? You have few options. Live. Die. Or live in fear in your bunker full of cup of noodles. Are you going to spend your whole life reading about how you're being spied on? Please tell me.
So everytime you're not able to directly change something, like for instance the implementation of Obamacare you're supposed to shut up about it? Weird principle.
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I have respect for you my friend. We may not agree, but you're no buffoon and I respect that.
My thoughts exactly.