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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on October 22, 2013, 11:11:23 PM
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You want some secret society shit. On the real, it's about the corporate interest that really run America. I personally don't think some fuckin' men in ropes are running this nation, but a bunch of rich muthaphukkaz who control the real choices in the United States.
http://www.youtube.com/v/WqdNG1YX0kM?hl=en_US&version=3&rel=0
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You want some secret society shit. On the real, it's about the corporate interest that really run America. I personally don't think some fuckin' men in ropes are running this nation, but a bunch of rich muthaphukkaz who control the real choices in the United States.
http://www.youtube.com/v/WqdNG1YX0kM?hl=en_US&version=3&rel=0
Talking a lot of sense there. No big shocker tho, only children and idiots actually believe in the cult shit.
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Monsanto? That's the best example he can come up with? What about all the people in the financial sector that made billions by causing the recession?
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Monsanto? That's the best example he can come up with? What about all the people in the financial sector that made billions by causing the recession?
They in there too. But think of this, Monsanto controls most of the world's food. That's the fuckin' food we eat! Your Doritos, your Micky D's, your corn syrup for Coke. That's some fuckin' power.
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The solution is real easy, even for simpletons that can't fight the system using law. It's voting with your money. I'd rather starve and eat one GOOD meal a day, than to be filled up on 3 BAD meals a day. We'll see who lives longer
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The solution is real easy, even for simpletons that can't fight the system using law. It's voting with your money. I'd rather starve and eat one GOOD meal a day, than to be filled up on 3 BAD meals a day. We'll see who lives longer
I agree with you, but it gets tougher by the day 2 find real natural healty food.
They don't even label GMO.
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My wife and I have been buying more food from organic stores and local farms. But it's fuckin' expensive and it's hard to find everything you need. That's why controlling the food is so important. We can live without a banking system. But we can't live without food. And the reason we have a large world population is because we have found a way to mass produce food, crops, cattle, GMOs to kill bugs easier. But at the end of the day, if that goes ways, this earth can really only hold so many people without these advances. Hell, the US controls food supplies to many 3rd world countries, if one day Monsanto takes that shit away, then you are affecting billions of people. Those people can give a fuck about Wells Fargo or JP Morgan. Those banks don't do anything for them. BUT, food is everything to them.
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My wife and I have been buying more food from organic stores and local farms. But it's fuckin' expensive and it's hard to find everything you need. That's why controlling the food is so important. We can live without a banking system. But we can't live without food. And the reason we have a large world population is because we have found a way to mass produce food, crops, cattle, GMOs to kill bugs easier. But at the end of the day, if that goes ways, this earth can really only hold so many people without these advances. Hell, the US controls food supplies to many 3rd world countries, if one day Monsanto takes that shit away, then you are affecting billions of people. Those people can give a fuck about Wells Fargo or JP Morgan. Those banks don't do anything for them. BUT, food is everything to them.
The same people that own the banks own Monsanto. They also own the media, as well as all significant US politicians including your boy Obummer.
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I heard that Teddy bought a pair of Obama's draws off eBay and wears them shits like a mask when he goes to bed at night.
This is the shit you find out when you keep ya ears to the street like me.
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My wife and I have been buying more food from organic stores and local farms. But it's fuckin' expensive and it's hard to find everything you need. That's why controlling the food is so important. We can live without a banking system. But we can't live without food. And the reason we have a large world population is because we have found a way to mass produce food, crops, cattle, GMOs to kill bugs easier. But at the end of the day, if that goes ways, this earth can really only hold so many people without these advances. Hell, the US controls food supplies to many 3rd world countries, if one day Monsanto takes that shit away, then you are affecting billions of people. Those people can give a fuck about Wells Fargo or JP Morgan. Those banks don't do anything for them. BUT, food is everything to them.
The same people that own the banks own Monsanto. They also own the media, as well as all significant US politicians including your boy Obummer.
Which is why Obama signed the Monsanto protection act.
Sodexo, Monsanto, all these companies are controlling the food. But they are not the same people who own the banks. The people who own the banks though do invest into these companies, which these companies are public. Wall Street controls them, just like they control the banks. But we go on and on about these secret societies and blood scarifies. Nah, it's as simple as the elite class controlling the basic human needs that we use everyday. You control the food, you control the homes people own through the banks, the way people travel. Democracy is as simple as a choice between dying by Coke or dying by Pepsi.
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The solution is real easy, even for simpletons that can't fight the system using law. It's voting with your money. I'd rather starve and eat one GOOD meal a day, than to be filled up on 3 BAD meals a day. We'll see who lives longer
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My wife and I have been buying more food from organic stores and local farms. But it's fuckin' expensive and it's hard to find everything you need. That's why controlling the food is so important. We can live without a banking system. But we can't live without food. And the reason we have a large world population is because we have found a way to mass produce food, crops, cattle, GMOs to kill bugs easier. But at the end of the day, if that goes ways, this earth can really only hold so many people without these advances. Hell, the US controls food supplies to many 3rd world countries, if one day Monsanto takes that shit away, then you are affecting billions of people. Those people can give a fuck about Wells Fargo or JP Morgan. Those banks don't do anything for them. BUT, food is everything to them.
The same people that own the banks own Monsanto. They also own the media, as well as all significant US politicians including your boy Obummer.
Which is why Obama signed the Monsanto protection act.
Sodexo, Monsanto, all these companies are controlling the food. But they are not the same people who own the banks. The people who own the banks though do invest into these companies, which these companies are public. Wall Street controls them, just like they control the banks. But we go on and on about these secret societies and blood scarifies. Nah, it's as simple as the elite class controlling the basic human needs that we use everyday. You control the food, you control the homes people own through the banks, the way people travel. Democracy is as simple as a choice between dying by Coke or dying by Pepsi.
They are the same people. Joos.
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I heard that Teddy bought a pair of Obama's draws off eBay and wears them shits like a mask when he goes to bed at night.
This is the shit you find out when you keep ya ears to the street like me.
You're a half-white, Valley living, med student. What streets can you possibly have your ears to?
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My wife and I have been buying more food from organic stores and local farms. But it's fuckin' expensive and it's hard to find everything you need. That's why controlling the food is so important. We can live without a banking system. But we can't live without food. And the reason we have a large world population is because we have found a way to mass produce food, crops, cattle, GMOs to kill bugs easier. But at the end of the day, if that goes ways, this earth can really only hold so many people without these advances. Hell, the US controls food supplies to many 3rd world countries, if one day Monsanto takes that shit away, then you are affecting billions of people. Those people can give a fuck about Wells Fargo or JP Morgan. Those banks don't do anything for them. BUT, food is everything to them.
The same people that own the banks own Monsanto. They also own the media, as well as all significant US politicians including your boy Obummer.
Which is why Obama signed the Monsanto protection act.
Sodexo, Monsanto, all these companies are controlling the food. But they are not the same people who own the banks. The people who own the banks though do invest into these companies, which these companies are public. Wall Street controls them, just like they control the banks. But we go on and on about these secret societies and blood scarifies. Nah, it's as simple as the elite class controlling the basic human needs that we use everyday. You control the food, you control the homes people own through the banks, the way people travel. Democracy is as simple as a choice between dying by Coke or dying by Pepsi.
They are the same people. Joos.
They are the same type of people. The same old rich white billionaires buy bits and pieces of companies in the public domain and work from there. They are on boards and they elect CEO's. Monsanto is publicly traded, so a bunch of people own it. Some also own parts of banks, others own parts of Coca-Cola or Pepsi-Cola, or Aetna Health, or Apple, or even Dollar Tree and Wal Mart. These are the corporate interest that drive this country. The people behind it all got rich in varies ways, but at the end of the day they hire CEO's to do their bidding and make even more money from them. If you own parts of Wal Mart you can make sure Pepsi products (Pepsi, Frito-Lay, Yum Brands which include Pizza Hut and KFC, Quaker Oats) are stocked in your Wal Mart stores and that those Pepsi products are made with Monsanto ingredients.
But if you are talking about the local and organic food being owned by the same people, it depends on the brand and the store you are buying the foods. If you shop at Trader Joes (Aldi) or Whole Foods, you are correct. What happens is that these corporations are buying food from the same venters as Pepsi and all the other companies, and they sell these foods in large quantities. When I see people who want to fight these systems and buy Trader Joes or Whole Foods, I laugh. No, you have to really research who you are getting your food from. It took us 4 years to find the right places to get food. Even at the local co-op, they have food that's parent company is General Mills or other large corporations. Each year though, the place we shop has the local farmers come and have booths and introduce their products and what they contribute to the grocery store. The beef we buy is always 100% grass feed and not any corn feed. But it took 4 years of research because if you just walk in the place and just buy things, even though it seems like hippy paradise it's about 50% large corporations that own it. Hell, even the local farmer is indebted to Wells Fargo if you want to get technical. So it's virtually impossible to be completely free of large corporations controlling your food. And when you think about it, that's truly scary.
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I heard that Teddy bought a pair of Obama's draws off eBay and wears them shits like a mask when he goes to bed at night.
This is the shit you find out when you keep ya ears to the street like me.
You're a half-white, Valley living, med student. What streets can you possibly have your ears to?
easy street :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: he walks his mothers pomeranian down it daily. at least hes supposed to
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My wife and I have been buying more food from organic stores and local farms. But it's fuckin' expensive and it's hard to find everything you need. That's why controlling the food is so important. We can live without a banking system. But we can't live without food. And the reason we have a large world population is because we have found a way to mass produce food, crops, cattle, GMOs to kill bugs easier. But at the end of the day, if that goes ways, this earth can really only hold so many people without these advances. Hell, the US controls food supplies to many 3rd world countries, if one day Monsanto takes that shit away, then you are affecting billions of people. Those people can give a fuck about Wells Fargo or JP Morgan. Those banks don't do anything for them. BUT, food is everything to them.
The same people that own the banks own Monsanto. They also own the media, as well as all significant US politicians including your boy Obummer.
Which is why Obama signed the Monsanto protection act.
Sodexo, Monsanto, all these companies are controlling the food. But they are not the same people who own the banks. The people who own the banks though do invest into these companies, which these companies are public. Wall Street controls them, just like they control the banks. But we go on and on about these secret societies and blood scarifies. Nah, it's as simple as the elite class controlling the basic human needs that we use everyday. You control the food, you control the homes people own through the banks, the way people travel. Democracy is as simple as a choice between dying by Coke or dying by Pepsi.
They are the same people. Joos.
They are the same type of people. The same old rich white billionaires buy bits and pieces of companies in the public domain and work from there. They are on boards and they elect CEO's. Monsanto is publicly traded, so a bunch of people own it. Some also own parts of banks, others own parts of Coca-Cola or Pepsi-Cola, or Aetna Health, or Apple, or even Dollar Tree and Wal Mart. These are the corporate interest that drive this country. The people behind it all got rich in varies ways, but at the end of the day they hire CEO's to do their bidding and make even more money from them. If you own parts of Wal Mart you can make sure Pepsi products (Pepsi, Frito-Lay, Yum Brands which include Pizza Hut and KFC, Quaker Oats) are stocked in your Wal Mart stores and that those Pepsi products are made with Monsanto ingredients.
But if you are talking about the local and organic food being owned by the same people, it depends on the brand and the store you are buying the foods. If you shop at Trader Joes (Aldi) or Whole Foods, you are correct. What happens is that these corporations are buying food from the same venters as Pepsi and all the other companies, and they sell these foods in large quantities. When I see people who want to fight these systems and buy Trader Joes or Whole Foods, I laugh. No, you have to really research who you are getting your food from. It took us 4 years to find the right places to get food. Even at the local co-op, they have food that's parent company is General Mills or other large corporations. Each year though, the place we shop has the local farmers come and have booths and introduce their products and what they contribute to the grocery store. The beef we buy is always 100% grass feed and not any corn feed. But it took 4 years of research because if you just walk in the place and just buy things, even though it seems like hippy paradise it's about 50% large corporations that own it. Hell, even the local farmer is indebted to Wells Fargo if you want to get technical. So it's virtually impossible to be completely free of large corporations controlling your food. And when you think about it, that's truly scary.
Whites are not at the top of the pyramid, Joos are. They aren't white. They're mongrels...I'm speaking on the Ashkenazi's, not the Semites. HUGE DIFFERENCE.
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This shit is hilarious. I can just see tons of acne ridden college freshmen getting all riled up and angry, thinking they're being handed secret knowledge.
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Hmm mdogg apply a bit of critical thinking here....
Here it comes......the masonic/theosophical societies are the glue that binds these different groups together
It was inside the P2 masonic lodge that Operation Gladio was devised.
Why are secret societies important? it's a gang, who take oaths to further their aims in the utmost....yes you got it, secrecy!
We don't need to speculate on these things and again just a little bit of critical thinking is all you need
When I hear people dismiss the illuminati as some kind of irrelevant historical fact, I say do the math, the people die, the institution lives on.
It was after all Thomas Jefferson who warned about the spread of the illuminati ideology throughout lodges in America and Europe.
What was the ideology of said original group? a one world dictatorial system
As for what Immortal Technique said, of course he knows this but he is just DUMBING down because people will just get lost in the malaise. He doesn't want to address the blatant symbolism of satanic worship which has become pervasive in the music industry because again, he doesn't want to lose people and push himself out to the fringe.
However, how can anyone witness a video where satanic symbolism is EVERYWHERE and yet retort with "jay-z isn't part of the illuminati" "lil wayne isn't part of the illuminati" when that is irrelevant, whether or not the artist is aware or just a compliant money whore, is only a fraction of the issue. The bigger issue is WHY are the makers of said video, the label, the photographers etc, presenting satanic messages?
They (the secret society group members) have "seen the light" in one way or another and that is the glue that binds them together. IF, they were simply a group of powerful sociopaths and psychopaths, there would not be so much cohesion. We would not have the Rothschilds owning almost every central bank in the world, there has been an end goal for these people.
Now MDogg I am going to present you a very simple, but essentially that is all it needs to be, envisioned future of the parasitical elite, there will be within 10 years a diminishing need for human labour as automation and robotics takes over, when this reaches critical mass, most human beings are superfluous. Then ALL those "conspiracy theory's" about an intention to kill off most of the population become true. Professors are acknowledging this future superfluous need, Ray Kurzwell a current advisor and futurist is predicting this robotic revolution. Now, as for how? well, let's think about that, ....Gm foods as they sterilise people and cause an untold wave of diseases and cancers.
Now, notice how fluid things are the emergence of one poison followed fairly shortly by something which fundamentally alters output?. It's like you want to be just brave enough to stick your head over the trenches but not brave enough to see what lies beyond. Well, fine, I understand that conscience decision, but don't then present your quick glance as the truth as it's just dishonest.
What do you think films like Hunger Games are M Dogg? the premise of the movie is that in decades time after the people have attempted to overthrow the oppressive ruling parasitical class, they are defeated and the offspring and the generation who fought them, forced to live in squalor and as a reminder to the peasants of their insubordination, each conncentration camp must give a child blood sacrifice to their owners.
Blood sacrifice....hmm that's satanic too
There is a deep, dark, destructive, insatiable evil and it's co-ordinated, it's structured, it's become more and more brazen and yet you seek confirmation bias in the form of Immortal Technique trying to dumb things down to illustrate your opinion.
Come on dude, smell the coffee, this aint no Wacka Flocka, Trill, Lean, Maybach, gangster shit.
This is literally playing god and that is the essence of the belief system as they want to ascend to God's and their worship of Lucifer (whomever and whatever Lucifer is) is how they believe they will achieve this.
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The MTV 2009 video awards is when I saw that what I had been thinking previously was all true. Again, small piece of the puzzle, but relevant all the same. Satanic ritual, sacrifice, symbolism. Not inter-subjective right away but it isn't exactly subtle either. Once you are alerted to it, you can look at it differently, just like those 3D illusion pictures. You no longer look at a flat picture, but rather look at it with a non obscure mind, and in an investigative manner.
On to the topic of food. I don't know how it is in the US, but where I live, we have organic farm shops, and the vegetables are always just around the corner clearly visible and accessible to the public. If you don't like what's on the shelf - You can go and pick your own. The meat generally comes from local farms that allow public access (if they wanted) to be able to go and see the animals, see what they are fed on, and the conditions in which they are kept. This relates to Beef and Pork. Egg's and chickens usually come from their own stock - less land requirements.
I rarely shop at supermarkets, and would rather spend the extra £10 to get the things I need. We don't need a lot of food. We've been conditioned to believe we need to eat Breakfast, Brunch, Lunch, Tea and Supper :o
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On to the topic of food. I don't know how it is in the US, but where I live, we have organic farm shops, and the vegetables are always just around the corner clearly visible and accessible to the public. If you don't like what's on the shelf - You can go and pick your own. The meat generally comes from local farms that allow public access (if they wanted) to be able to go and see the animals, see what they are fed on, and the conditions in which they are kept. This relates to Beef and Pork. Egg's and chickens usually come from their own stock - less land requirements.
I rarely shop at supermarkets, and would rather spend the extra £10 to get the things I need. We don't need a lot of food. We've been conditioned to believe we need to eat Breakfast, Brunch, Lunch, Tea and Supper :o
Real shit! People are always bitching and moaning about how bad the overall situation is and fail to see the one direct way they have to affect it. Their consumption. I very much respect when people actually make a conscious choice to change their consumer behavior.
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Real shit! People are always bitching and moaning about how bad the overall situation is and fail to see the one direct way they have to affect it. Their consumption. I very much respect when people actually make a conscious choice to change their consumer behavior.
Real indeed.
Can I sum you point up like this: "knowledge is for to be acted upon"
But I believe it will become more scarce. And that means expensive.
Funny thing though... In my religion they teach that the Anti-christ will corrupt money and food.
When I read that when I was young. I did not understand it back then.
But now I do.
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Hmm mdogg apply a bit of critical thinking here....
Here it comes......the masonic/theosophical societies are the glue that binds these different groups together
It was inside the P2 masonic lodge that Operation Gladio was devised.
Why are secret societies important? it's a gang, who take oaths to further their aims in the utmost....yes you got it, secrecy!
We don't need to speculate on these things and again just a little bit of critical thinking is all you need
When I hear people dismiss the illuminati as some kind of irrelevant historical fact, I say do the math, the people die, the institution lives on.
It was after all Thomas Jefferson who warned about the spread of the illuminati ideology throughout lodges in America and Europe.
What was the ideology of said original group? a one world dictatorial system
As for what Immortal Technique said, of course he knows this but he is just DUMBING down because people will just get lost in the malaise. He doesn't want to address the blatant symbolism of satanic worship which has become pervasive in the music industry because again, he doesn't want to lose people and push himself out to the fringe.
However, how can anyone witness a video where satanic symbolism is EVERYWHERE and yet retort with "jay-z isn't part of the illuminati" "lil wayne isn't part of the illuminati" when that is irrelevant, whether or not the artist is aware or just a compliant money whore, is only a fraction of the issue. The bigger issue is WHY are the makers of said video, the label, the photographers etc, presenting satanic messages?
They (the secret society group members) have "seen the light" in one way or another and that is the glue that binds them together. IF, they were simply a group of powerful sociopaths and psychopaths, there would not be so much cohesion. We would not have the Rothschilds owning almost every central bank in the world, there has been an end goal for these people.
Now MDogg I am going to present you a very simple, but essentially that is all it needs to be, envisioned future of the parasitical elite, there will be within 10 years a diminishing need for human labour as automation and robotics takes over, when this reaches critical mass, most human beings are superfluous. Then ALL those "conspiracy theory's" about an intention to kill off most of the population become true. Professors are acknowledging this future superfluous need, Ray Kurzwell a current advisor and futurist is predicting this robotic revolution. Now, as for how? well, let's think about that, ....Gm foods as they sterilise people and cause an untold wave of diseases and cancers.
Now, notice how fluid things are the emergence of one poison followed fairly shortly by something which fundamentally alters output?. It's like you want to be just brave enough to stick your head over the trenches but not brave enough to see what lies beyond. Well, fine, I understand that conscience decision, but don't then present your quick glance as the truth as it's just dishonest.
What do you think films like Hunger Games are M Dogg? the premise of the movie is that in decades time after the people have attempted to overthrow the oppressive ruling parasitical class, they are defeated and the offspring and the generation who fought them, forced to live in squalor and as a reminder to the peasants of their insubordination, each conncentration camp must give a child blood sacrifice to their owners.
Blood sacrifice....hmm that's satanic too
There is a deep, dark, destructive, insatiable evil and it's co-ordinated, it's structured, it's become more and more brazen and yet you seek confirmation bias in the form of Immortal Technique trying to dumb things down to illustrate your opinion.
Come on dude, smell the coffee, this aint no Wacka Flocka, Trill, Lean, Maybach, gangster shit.
This is literally playing god and that is the essence of the belief system as they want to ascend to God's and their worship of Lucifer (whomever and whatever Lucifer is) is how they believe they will achieve this.
Immortal Technique has always been about the secret society shit. But I think it's crazy to say there are some satanic shit going on. Here is why, with all the instant ways to pass information today, there is no way we'd NOT know if this was true. Once something happens, it's online right away, plus I think the Elite get off on us "little people" thinking that they are some Satanic cult hell bent on their Illuminati agenda. Instead, they are some controlling muthaphukkaz who are there to control what we think (media), eat, breath, how we live (in fear). The greatest disadvantage we have is people thinking they are some kind of secret cult society that can't be overthrown. That's to our disadvantage because it breeds hopelessness, it breeds a sense that we can't overcome. Well we have to find a way that we can. When these people wake up in the morning, they don't put on people skin over a reptilian body. I bet when the big people read that, they laughed because that's exactly what they want us to believe. That we can't over come what they are doing. They are getting a kick out of us thinking they are some Illuminati secret society which has been planning for 500 years to kill us all. They don't care if we live or die, what they care about is if we can be controlled. There is no secret sacrifices to get in these societies, but I can guarantee you that people like Bill Gates, Shawn Carter, Sean Combs, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and others were not born into this inner circle, but they are there now. Yeah we may get a George Bush, John Kennedy, the Roosevelts and others who were born into this inner circle and used connections to get in their positions. THis inner circle is not based off Satanic worship, but instead something much more powerful and worst for humanity. This is an inner circle based off the absolute control of every aspect of human life. Even the internet, which we are on now, has a filter through these people.
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I never mentioned lizards, don't be creating straw men.
Furthermore on record what you have said Is false, many leading parasites have come and said we need to massively depopulate.
Now based on their sociopathic and psychopathic makeup, plus their desire to ascend to gods, how could you not realise that when humans become superfluous to their needs, then they are are superfluous in their existence. You really need to start appreciating why Hollywood makes shows like the running man, hunger games, demolition man etc. It's called predictive programming.
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Lol there is an insane amount of info available, just cuz you're not up on game doesn't mean that millions of others aren't.
Mdogg always mentions lizard people and stupid shit like that even though I've never seen anyone mention it. Basic straw man BS...chess master he ain't.
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I only mentioned lizards in that before we talked about lizards, now we talk about blood sacrifices and all these other things. And well there is talk of depopulation, and a movement for zero growth in many developed nations, there really is no sign that anyone is trying to kill most of the population as that will start taking care of it's self. China is expected to start decreasing in population after 2025, every developed nation except the US is experiencing a decrease in population. And as the developed world decreases in size, you mainly have many 3rd world nations which already are 6/7th of the world's population, which is depended on food produced by the developed countries. So we are in a very weird place. But right now, not even the elite class can play God. It would be almost impossible.
And well people may want to ascend to Gods, there is one problem. They always die. That's fact. No matter how much money and power you gain, you die. So to be afraid of all these people, making them out to be bigger than what they are is crazy. Human history has taught us this, that when a people see the truth, they will revolt. And eventually, it may take hundreds of years, they see the truth. So unless we start seeing massive killings soon, I doubt there is some demonic force plotting everyone's demise so long as they are fat and happy on top.
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MDogg, WE have never mentioned lizards, you have on the other hand on many times.
1 in 2 Brits is predicted to get cancer, all manner of diseases are spreading like wildfire, now, you can cite many many reasons for these, but no doubt this includes the usage of depleted uranium, the dumping of toxic into the seas, the use of fluoride in the water supplies, radiation, chemicals used in the food, and now of course splicing genes from different gene pools and served as "food".
You have already said it yourself, the populations are decreasing, the white race is a dead man walking, but more so in the near future, robotics and automation will replace human beings. So, I will ask you again, we know these people are sociopaths and we know they are psychopaths, they have no need for many humans after that, agreed? Humans have just been a means to an end, "human resources" should have already spelled that out for you.
They may indeed always die, but to claim that the parasitical class like Ray Kurzwell have not proclaimed that life extension technologies are just around the corner, it's patently false and verifiably so. You know who is he right?
I don't think you really appreciate that us peons are essentially in a race against the technological clock and that clock is growing short.
I don't think you seem to compute the blatant satanism on show almost everywhere, you have made a conscious decision to ignore it, but smarten up man, that satanic imagery is displayed during concerts and is broadcast to the masses of entranced fans. This notion that the imagery is to "fuck" with those who instinctively say fuck you to it, is absolutely nonsensical, when said people whilst in the millions are just a very small percentage of the overall numbers of peons.
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And the lizard searching wing of the Republican party is dissing Obama for wanting a civilian national security force. LOL Then they suggest the same thing. Of course Obama is talking things like Peace Corps and AmeriCorps but still, the lizard conservatives thought he was talking about a citizen army... lol. And if he was, then why suggest the same thing with Ron Paul at the head. One more thing, it was Kennedy, the one the Lizard Conservatives say was the last true US president who started Peace Corp and his brother RFK who pushed to start AmeriCorps, but you guys diss Obama for wanting it carried on... come on.
:eh:
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Real shit! People are always bitching and moaning about how bad the overall situation is and fail to see the one direct way they have to affect it. Their consumption. I very much respect when people actually make a conscious choice to change their consumer behavior.
Real indeed.
Can I sum you point up like this: "knowledge is for to be acted upon"
But I believe it will become more scarce. And that means expensive.
Funny thing though... In my religion they teach that the Anti-christ will corrupt money and food.
When I read that when I was young. I did not understand it back then.
But now I do.
Yes, in contrast is ignorance bliss, of course. As long as you don't know, that's the best excuse for not changing anything.
Maybe. Although for not too few people food has been scarce for quiet some time now. Where I'm living basically everything I need (apart from watermelon and avocado ;D) is grown in this region. We can only hope that more and more people will become aware of the importance of a more regionally focused, more self-sustaining system.
In the end, all that might make no difference whatsoever on a larger scale. But on the most basic level I do what I do for my own benefit. If that results in getting my fruit and vegetables and bread from smaller local businesses, eating better and helping to preserve the regional infrastructure I learned to appriciate... That's the kind of egoism I can live with.
Unrelated, there might be different opnions on the basic motives of the elites, at least we're more or less on the same page regarding much of the practical outcome (even MDogg, even though his world view isn't always held in high regards by other ToT regulars ;). I wish there were a few more people with that insight.
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In the end, all that might make no difference whatsoever on a larger scale. But on the most basic level I do what I do for my own benefit. If that results in getting my fruit and vegetables and bread from smaller local businesses, eating better and helping to preserve the regional infrastructure I learned to appriciate... That's the kind of egoism I can live with.
On the contrary I don't think it is egoism . I think it is the only option.
On a Macro level you will not change anything, that is an illusion.
But on the Micro level you van establish in your local community a local market where local supply and demand is met.
That has been the way for centries before us. Before we ever had something like a Supermarket.
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Fundamentally MDogg, your point is one I agree with, I was simply contending that this system is far more nefarious than what you conveyed.
The only way we survive and grow is by rejecting technology, boycotting the corporations wherever possible, moving your funds into a credit union, buying fresh local produce, supporting local businesses, perhaps stop voting on a national level, build up more skills, and if it comes down to be prepared for physical confrontations.
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Valley living
u prolly never even been to the v, sucka
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I heard that Teddy bought a pair of Obama's draws off eBay and wears them shits like a mask when he goes to bed at night.
This is the shit you find out when you keep ya ears to the street like me.
You're a half-white, Valley living, med student. What streets can you possibly have your ears to?
easy street :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: he walks his mothers pomeranian down it daily. at least hes supposed to
At least someone in this thread knows what the fuck theyre talkin about. Follow suit, Ted.
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ur like 6-7 years late granpa marty
lol he jus heard of immortal technique like a weak ago lmao
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ur like 6-7 years late granpa marty
lol he jus heard of immortal technique like a weak ago lmao
Really, because I've been talking about him for the last 9 years!
Sounds tight as fuck. Shit... I wonder what it would take to go. Go take a quick visit to TimeLock, record a demo and ship that around. I would love to meet Immortal Technique, his by far the tightest Latin rapper to me. Good looking homie.
Come on man, stop trolling in the ToT forum and post some real shit. We all know you got knowledge.
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ur like 6-7 years late granpa marty
lol he jus heard of immortal technique like a weak ago lmao
Really, because I've been talking about him for the last 9 years!
Sounds tight as fuck. Shit... I wonder what it would take to go. Go take a quick visit to TimeLock, record a demo and ship that around. I would love to meet Immortal Technique, his by far the tightest Latin rapper to me. Good looking homie.
Come on man, stop trolling in the ToT forum and post some real shit. We all know you got knowledge.
and we all know you lack knowledge. whats ur point?
keep denying the illuminati exists. thats exactly what they want
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ur like 6-7 years late granpa marty
lol he jus heard of immortal technique like a weak ago lmao
Really, because I've been talking about him for the last 9 years!
Sounds tight as fuck. Shit... I wonder what it would take to go. Go take a quick visit to TimeLock, record a demo and ship that around. I would love to meet Immortal Technique, his by far the tightest Latin rapper to me. Good looking homie.
Come on man, stop trolling in the ToT forum and post some real shit. We all know you got knowledge.
and we all know you lack knowledge. whats ur point?
keep denying the illuminati exists. thats exactly what they want
Actually, the true elite class laughs at people who think they do exist.
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The illuminati is not some fantastical, fanciful dreamt up notion, it is historical fact.
The ideology of the illuminati is historically documented.
Do you know what the trilateral commission is? I'll give you a clue the hint is in the trilateral
How many of the top judges, cops/fbi/cia and politicians are freemasons?
Why are they freemasons?
Do you not understand conflict of interests?
Do you understand anything about the theosophical society?
Do you understand that when Merkel displays the inverted pyramid symbol that she is not biting Jay-Z?
WHY are satanic messages and symbols being pushed so hard in music mdogg?
The truth is you have no responses to these questions, and therefore you have chosen to dumb it down in your mind, so as I said fine, but don't then dismiss something because you don't understand it.
Why did Albert Pike write...Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff.
"The day has come when Fellow Craftsman must know and apply their knowledge. The lost key to their grade is the mastery of emotion , which places the energy of the universe at their disposal. Man can only expect to be entrusted with great power by proving his ability to use it constructively and selflessly. When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare." [Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree, K.T., The Lost Keys of Freemasonry or The Secret of Hiram Abiff , Forward by Reynold E. Blight, 33rd Degree, K.T., Illustrations by J. Augustus Knapp, 32nd Degree, Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company, Inc., Richmond, Virginia, p. 48; Emphasis Added]
Once the Mason learns to control his emotion and to apply the "dynamo of living power," the Mason can be assured of being able to control the "seething energies of Lucifer" in his hands.
He makes the admission that Masonry is the Craft, which is an old name for Witchcraft. Satanists are assured that, if they will join the coven and learn the Craft, he will control the supernatural power of Satan, just as Manly P. Hall promises here.
As you can see, they have exposed themselves. Powerful proof that Freemasonry is Satanism. The language is direct and clear. It is not cluttered with deliberately confusing arcane language that only an insider can understand.
Oh wait, so there are top masons spelling it out for you, and what's that? oh yes, the artists have started wearing satanic clothing, because hmm am guessing they have been encouraged to do so by their music label bosses.
So the music label execs are masons, the directors are masons, many of the senior figures in government are masons, the senior leaders of global corporations and and the bankers are masons.
Yet people like you try and compartmentalise what Monsanto are doing.....M Dogg it's by DESIGN.
It has NOTHING to do with corruption and greed, that's just the simplistic bullshit which they like to sell people on.
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ur like 6-7 years late granpa marty
lol he jus heard of immortal technique like a weak ago lmao
Really, because I've been talking about him for the last 9 years!
Sounds tight as fuck. Shit... I wonder what it would take to go. Go take a quick visit to TimeLock, record a demo and ship that around. I would love to meet Immortal Technique, his by far the tightest Latin rapper to me. Good looking homie.
Come on man, stop trolling in the ToT forum and post some real shit. We all know you got knowledge.
and we all know you lack knowledge. whats ur point?
keep denying the illuminati exists. thats exactly what they want
Actually, the true elite class laughs at people who think they do exist.
so ur in denial of something that has been provven to exist?
u can debate there influence all u want, but to deny their existence shows how dumb and senile ur old punk ass really is.
tell ur kid's uncle SGV i said hello.
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u can debate there influence all u want, but to deny their existence shows how dumb and senile ur old punk ass really is.
tell ur kid's uncle SGV i said hello.
Let's keep it on the subject, guys.
We do have different people here with different points of view.
That is a good thing.
Because if we all think exact the same, then there is no challenge 2 our thinking.
We need 2 respect each other 4 being different.
So we may learn form each other.
Peace 2 all,
Aladin
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The illuminati is not some fantastical, fanciful dreamt up notion, it is historical fact.
The ideology of the illuminati is historically documented.
Do you know what the trilateral commission is? I'll give you a clue the hint is in the trilateral
How many of the top judges, cops/fbi/cia and politicians are freemasons?
Why are they freemasons?
Do you not understand conflict of interests?
Do you understand anything about the theosophical society?
Do you understand that when Merkel displays the inverted pyramid symbol that she is not biting Jay-Z?
WHY are satanic messages and symbols being pushed so hard in music mdogg?
The truth is you have no responses to these questions, and therefore you have chosen to dumb it down in your mind, so as I said fine, but don't then dismiss something because you don't understand it.
Why did Albert Pike write...Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff.
"The day has come when Fellow Craftsman must know and apply their knowledge. The lost key to their grade is the mastery of emotion , which places the energy of the universe at their disposal. Man can only expect to be entrusted with great power by proving his ability to use it constructively and selflessly. When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands, and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply energy. He must follow in the footsteps of his forefather, Tubal-Cain, who with the mighty strength of the war god hammered his sword into a plowshare." [Manly P. Hall, 33rd Degree, K.T., The Lost Keys of Freemasonry or The Secret of Hiram Abiff , Forward by Reynold E. Blight, 33rd Degree, K.T., Illustrations by J. Augustus Knapp, 32nd Degree, Macoy Publishing and Masonic Supply Company, Inc., Richmond, Virginia, p. 48; Emphasis Added]
Once the Mason learns to control his emotion and to apply the "dynamo of living power," the Mason can be assured of being able to control the "seething energies of Lucifer" in his hands.
He makes the admission that Masonry is the Craft, which is an old name for Witchcraft. Satanists are assured that, if they will join the coven and learn the Craft, he will control the supernatural power of Satan, just as Manly P. Hall promises here.
As you can see, they have exposed themselves. Powerful proof that Freemasonry is Satanism. The language is direct and clear. It is not cluttered with deliberately confusing arcane language that only an insider can understand.
Oh wait, so there are top masons spelling it out for you, and what's that? oh yes, the artists have started wearing satanic clothing, because hmm am guessing they have been encouraged to do so by their music label bosses.
So the music label execs are masons, the directors are masons, many of the senior figures in government are masons, the senior leaders of global corporations and and the bankers are masons.
Yet people like you try and compartmentalise what Monsanto are doing.....M Dogg it's by DESIGN.
It has NOTHING to do with corruption and greed, that's just the simplistic bullshit which they like to sell people on.
this statement is true
just ask Ariel the kidnapper form cleavland
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The restriction of knowledge and suppression of our true history is evident. But this is how they manipulate the populations going forward. History is written by the victors and religion is nothing more than a man-made control mechanism. I know this will offend some, and I'm not saying there's anything wrong with 'faith', but the instantaneous channel in which we have to learn, communicate and research means that science and technology has slackened the grip religion once had and exposed it for what it is.
Our brains have the ability to do a lot more than we know, but we're being kept in the dark deliberately by a bunch of control freaks who worship something a lot bigger than the devil.
Bigger than the Earth itself. Out of reach both physically and mentally/spiritually, and affecting our ability to use the full potential of our brains. We think these people are promoting the devil, while devaluing our quality of life, for the sole purpose of pushing us all toward a false saviour leading us all into global control.
Everything has been a "global" something in the past few years. "Global financial crisis", "Global warming", "Global food shortage", "Global war on terror", "World hunger". It's gently caressing us into a "global" mindset to accept global solutions to perceived global problems that are manufactured or simply don't exist. Getting us all under the one banner and being easier to manage is only one part of a bigger creation
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Our brains have the ability to do a lot more than we know, but we're being kept in the dark deliberately by a bunch of control freaks who worship something a lot bigger than the devil.
Bigger than the Earth itself. Out of reach both physically and mentally/spiritually, and affecting our ability to use the full potential of our brains. We think these people are promoting the devil, while devaluing our quality of life, for the sole purpose of pushing us all toward a false saviour leading us all into global control.
So what's your theory, if it's not Satanists? Though I'm pretty sure that supernatural entities don't exist, I can very well imagine groups of men doing all kinds of the most foul shit to create strong ties between each other and as a tool of exclusion regarding everyone else. So what are they worshipping in your opinion?
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The blatant and brazen display of satanic messages is a projection of their power. It matters not whether it really exists but clearly many people of incredible wealth and power believe it to be true and that is why we are where we are. As I said, it is the glue that binds them and this is why they are now pushing paedophilia, peter Hitchens calls it the "new sexual revolution" this is why the democrats tried to legalise bestiality for u.s soldiers, this is why the level of on screen violence, and gore keeps being raised, this is why the heat is being turned up because remember, despite mdoggs willful ignorance we are now officially in a new era, the age of aquarius is
here. Again mdogg, look that up, what's their goal? Total rejection of god/values, they are the real revolutionaries. The media is their accomplice, their bitch, artists have chosen to become their satanic whoreis. The parasitical elite have absolute disdain for people, they want total power so that they can create their utopia. As I said, it's by design hence why the MOD forsees in just a few years brain chips "wow that's a cool idea" It is the reason why a Canadian publication wrote an article entitled a generation is all they need, As I keep pointing out robots are the Nextel move in this game. You are completely intellectually dishonest to deny either the existence or the motives. It's fucked up, it's crazy but neither of which make it any less true, both verifiable from empirical evidence and current.
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You mean like:
http://nationalreport.net/wyoming-school-implant-rfid/
Implant chips
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You mean like:
http://nationalreport.net/wyoming-school-implant-rfid/
Implant chips
Damn, reading those comments I once again can see the upside of population control. Although education and less TV might be a better first step.
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Damn, reading those comments I once again can see the upside of population control. Although education and less TV might be a better first step.
LOL
Reading comments (on any site) is one way 2 lose faith in humanity.
Or learn how 2 earn 4000 dollars in a few days. ;D
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Damn, reading those comments I once again can see the upside of population control. Although education and less TV might be a better first step.
LOL
Reading comments (on any site) is one way 2 lose faith in humanity.
Or learn how 2 earn 4000 dollars in a few days. ;D
Or even that! ;D
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You mean like:
http://nationalreport.net/wyoming-school-implant-rfid/
Implant chips
Haha can't stop laughing at you stupid conspiracy theorists.
Really though, I bet we could dig up threads from '06 in which I talked about "chipping" the population...I know I posted "America: Freedom to Fascism" and was relentlessly mocked by our resident tards.
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You mean like:
http://nationalreport.net/wyoming-school-implant-rfid/
Implant chips
Damn, reading those comments I once again can see the upside of population control. Although education and less TV might be a better first step.
There are literally 1000's of paid shills whose job it is to bombard blogs, forums, etc., and paint those who oppose their plans as paranoid, or extremely low IQ. Don't fall for that shit.
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You mean like:
http://nationalreport.net/wyoming-school-implant-rfid/
Implant chips
Damn, reading those comments I once again can see the upside of population control. Although education and less TV might be a better first step.
There are literally 1000's of paid shills whose job it is to bombard blogs, forums, etc., and paint those who oppose their plans as paranoid, or extremely low IQ. Don't fall for that shit.
I get that but in this case I just referred to people's overall stupidity. That story right here is satire and it's rather obvious. For quite a few not obvious enough, though.
As for RFID chips, that's the next (or maybe the one after that) logical step. Wouldn't doubt you on that one.
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Many fringe Christian sects believe Obama to be the Anti-Christ and the RFID chip the Mark of the Beast spoke about in their Book of Revelation. During the Second Coming and the arrival of the “Anti-Christ” all of humanity supposedly will be forced to accept the mark or perish. However, any who receive the brand of the Anti-Christ will be punished by the Christian God with eternal damnation
deep
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Fuck a RFID chip. if anything if the "mark of the beast" its the fuckin phone youre using to read this very post.
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Many fringe Christian sects believe Obama to be the Anti-Christ and the RFID chip the Mark of the Beast spoke about in their Book of Revelation. During the Second Coming and the arrival of the “Anti-Christ” all of humanity supposedly will be forced to accept the mark or perish. However, any who receive the brand of the Anti-Christ will be punished by the Christian God with eternal damnation
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Well they have some points. But their methodolgy is wrong.
In the Jewish, the Christian and Islamic text.
All the prophets warned about the Anti-christ.
But another name for him is the false Messiah.
Now if he is the false Messiah. In other words 2 deceive people he will have 2 have appearance of the Real Messiah.
But let me ask you as you from your own background, would you accept someone 2 be the Messiah if he was not Jewish. Never!
Would you accept someone 2 be the Messiah if he didn't bring back the gold age of the time of Prophet Solomon and Prophet David (May God be pleased with them both). Never!
Would you accept the Messiah, if he didn't restore the state of Israel? Never!
Well then this question, if there is a false Messiah. He would have 2 trick the jews into accepting him as the real Messiah.
How can he trick you if he does not do the things I mentioned above in order for you the accept him.
No, the False Messiah will not be a Chinese,Arab or European. he will be a jew!!
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You mean like:
http://nationalreport.net/wyoming-school-implant-rfid/
Implant chips
Haha can't stop laughing at you stupid conspiracy theorists.
Why laugh? The mobile phone IS the tracking chip (like someone had previously mentioned) the link provided is used as an example of the scare mongering created to repel a physical implant, while Apple, Motorola and others enhance the data collecting capabilities of existing tracking chips - IE; iphones fingerprint 'unlock' feature.
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You mean like:
http://nationalreport.net/wyoming-school-implant-rfid/
Implant chips
Haha can't stop laughing at you stupid conspiracy theorists.
Why laugh? The mobile phone IS the tracking chip (like someone had previously mentioned) the link provided is used as an example of the scare mongering created to repel a physical implant, while Apple, Motorola and others enhance the data collecting capabilities of existing tracking chips - IE; iphones fingerprint 'unlock' feature.
I was being sarcastic.
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You mean like:
http://nationalreport.net/wyoming-school-implant-rfid/
Implant chips
Haha can't stop laughing at you stupid conspiracy theorists.
Why laugh? The mobile phone IS the tracking chip (like someone had previously mentioned) the link provided is used as an example of the scare mongering created to repel a physical implant, while Apple, Motorola and others enhance the data collecting capabilities of existing tracking chips - IE; iphones fingerprint 'unlock' feature.
I was being sarcastic.
I was like, wait a minute? Isn't Jack on the same side as everyone else?
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and isnt the mark of the beast suppose to be placed in your hand and your head?
and dont to use your smartphone with your hand and place it to your head?
damn.....it might be time for Sik to go crawling back to Jesus...
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Sik,u believe in God?
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and isnt the mark of the beast suppose to be placed in your hand and your head?
and dont to use your smartphone with your hand and place it to your head?
damn.....it might be time for Sik to go crawling back to Jesus...
Funny, because I believe in God, but I don't believe the Anti-Christ will appear in my lifetime. THe Anti-Christ will come when we least expect it, and right now everyone is expecting it.
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Sik,u believe in God?
I dont know what's out there or what happens after we die. What bugs me is people who act like they know. Like fundamental religious people who act like they are so sure of some shit written in a book thousands of years ago. Fuck Athiests too, who act like they know for sure that there's absolutely nothing out there going on.
I've come to accept that I don't know whats going on. Hopefully when I die, I'll finally see what's goin on behind the curtain, and even then I may not. But if god or whoever wants to punish me and send me to hell because I didn't believe in him well then he can go fuck himself since he gave me the ability to think and use reason.
Just my 2 cents.
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and isnt the mark of the beast suppose to be placed in your hand and your head?
and dont to use your smartphone with your hand and place it to your head?
damn.....it might be time for Sik to go crawling back to Jesus...
Funny, because I believe in God, but I don't believe the Anti-Christ will appear in my lifetime. THe Anti-Christ will come when we least expect it, and right now everyone is expecting it.
In all honesty, there have been way worse tumultuous periods in human history that would seem more fitting for an anti Christ to rise than what we're living through today.
But by saying that, doesn't it make it more likely that Obama the Antichrist will reveal himself........oh shit!
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Sik,u believe in God?
I dont know what's out there or what happens after we die. What bugs me is people who act like they know. Like fundamental religious people who act like they are so sure of some shit written in a book thousands of years ago. Fuck Athiests too, who act like they know for sure that there's absolutely nothing out there going on.
I've come to accept that I don't know whats going on. Hopefully when I die, I'll finally see what's goin on behind the curtain, and even then I may not. But if god or whoever wants to punish me and send me to hell because I didn't believe in him well then he can go fuck himself since he gave me the ability to think and use reason.
Just my 2 cents.
God is somethin u feel in ur heart n soul, has nothin to do with ur brain .. Not tryna put any labels on ya, but ur views sound pretty agnostic, am I wrong?
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Sik,u believe in God?
I dont know what's out there or what happens after we die. What bugs me is people who act like they know. Like fundamental religious people who act like they are so sure of some shit written in a book thousands of years ago. Fuck Athiests too, who act like they know for sure that there's absolutely nothing out there going on.
I've come to accept that I don't know whats going on. Hopefully when I die, I'll finally see what's goin on behind the curtain, and even then I may not. But if god or whoever wants to punish me and send me to hell because I didn't believe in him well then he can go fuck himself since he gave me the ability to think and use reason.
Just my 2 cents.
God is somethin u feel in ur heart n soul, has nothin to do with ur brain .. Not tryna put any labels on ya, but ur views sound pretty agnostic, am I wrong?
If you wanna put em in a category, they would most closely fit under agnostic I guess. And again, that's just how I see things. I don't have the ego to say I'm right about this. I don't think anyone knows the full story and I don't care what anybody else believes as long as theyre not a dick about it or try to force it on other people. If it makes you a better person then good for you.
A lot of atheists who wish for the downfall of all religions are idiots. I know a lot of people personally who are better people because they believe in God or Jesus or Allah or whatever. Doesn't mean I agree with any of those beliefs either, but I can respect how it affects some people in a positive way.
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and isnt the mark of the beast suppose to be placed in your hand and your head?
and dont to use your smartphone with your hand and place it to your head?
damn.....it might be time for Sik to go crawling back to Jesus...
Funny, because I believe in God, but I don't believe the Anti-Christ will appear in my lifetime. THe Anti-Christ will come when we least expect it, and right now everyone is expecting it.
In all honesty, there have been way worse tumultuous periods in human history that would seem more fitting for an anti Christ to rise than what we're living through today.
But by saying that, doesn't it make it more likely that Obama the Antichrist will reveal himself........oh shit!
Oh yeah. We are living in a golden era compared to many other eras in history. The only difference is information is easier to get, so we are truly exposed to how bad humanity really is.
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Sik,u believe in God?
I dont know what's out there or what happens after we die. What bugs me is people who act like they know. Like fundamental religious people who act like they are so sure of some shit written in a book thousands of years ago. Fuck Athiests too, who act like they know for sure that there's absolutely nothing out there going on.
I've come to accept that I don't know whats going on. Hopefully when I die, I'll finally see what's goin on behind the curtain, and even then I may not. But if god or whoever wants to punish me and send me to hell because I didn't believe in him well then he can go fuck himself since he gave me the ability to think and use reason.
Just my 2 cents.
God is somethin u feel in ur heart n soul, has nothin to do with ur brain .. Not tryna put any labels on ya, but ur views sound pretty agnostic, am I wrong?
If you wanna put em in a category, they would most closely fit under agnostic I guess. And again, that's just how I see things. I don't have the ego to say I'm right about this. I don't think anyone knows the full story and I don't care what anybody else believes as long as theyre not a dick about it or try to force it on other people. If it makes you a better person then good for you.
A lot of atheists who wish for the downfall of all religions are idiots. I know a lot of people personally who are better people because they believe in God or Jesus or Allah or whatever. Doesn't mean I agree with any of those beliefs either, but I can respect how it affects some people in a positive way.
This. But not cuz they wish for religion's downfall but cuz they believe that it would change anything. People are simply stupid. Religion ain't evil per se. Just like communism or the idea of a free market might be well-meaning but - surprise - in reality there will always be some people taking advantage of a system and most of the others that believe in that idea are too blind to see that.
One's personal faith is rarely an issue. On the other hand organized faith, naturally, puts pressure on everybody which is not too funny for those who see things differently. So yes, I too think that religion ain't supposed to be of importance regarding the general public.
There are certain values that religions uphold, not religions exclusively but they do. These values are the impotant part and we share them with everybody, religious or not, who believes in them.
Take away the religion and what remains is people with values and principles and people who lack those.
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Well the question is do you believe we live in a moral society.
The answer for those who believe will say yes.
We have a moral society were we have 2 face consequences for our actions in this life or what comes after.
The second question is what is the purpose of life.
If we believe in nothing then all we have is to satisfy our present as much as we can.
You know the term you only live once.
Since religion has been dealt with in the west. The West has been on a moral decline for quite some time now.
The Morals and values of our forefathers gets thrown out and replaced with new ones.
The consequence of that is that the women in the west are 2 busy with their career and looks and short-time relationships that they no longer produce that many babies. The west is growing grey and with no replacement in sight. Even the staunched secularist will admit that.
In sort we are realy floating without knowing where were heading.
Yesterday marriage was between a man and a woman. today they are obsessed awith gay marriage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmGBtTZUna0
Maybe tommorow the decisionmakers will fight for the right of people marrying their pet.
Today they say abortion should be free available.
Tommorow we will say that the right 2 have children should be defined by certain criteria.
Problem with our society is this, we don't have a universal framework in which we can maneuver.
If Tommorow the so called intellectuals decide what the new normal is. The laws wil change with it.
God is not your enemy.
He created this world and you. And knows what is best for you.
God forbid usery, (Christian Europe used 2 fight against Usery).
God commanded us to honour your parents.
God commanded us to treat people like you yourself want to be treated
God commanded us not to deceive and lie.
God commanded us not to be arrogant
God commanded us to marry and have childeren.
But we the arrogant ones think that we don't need god's laws and we can do fine by ourselfs.
We have ourselfs 2 blame, no one else!
God is merciful and all forgiving. If we turn to him and ask him for guidance, there wil be no one on this world 2 fool us.
Forget these lunatics who do all kind of Godless things in the name of religion.
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Well the question is do you believe we live in a moral society.
The answer for those who believe will say yes.
We have a moral society were we have 2 face consequences for our actions in this life or what comes after.
Doing or not doing something out of fear of the negative consequences in this life or an assumed afterlife is the exact opposite of a moral decision!
Of course religion upholds values like altruism but the prospect of punishment in case of misbehaving ridicules the whole idea of doing something because it's RIGHT.
And these values or moral guidelines don't lose importance without faith in god. That is a rather negative approach to me.
The second question is what is the purpose of life.
If we believe in nothing then all we have is to satisfy our present as much as we can.
You know the term you only live once.
If I don't bring harm to others and me, yes, that's all we have to do. I guess I don't have to tell you how very satisfying it can be to do good, even small things, and feel the sincere gratitude of others. As a last consequence you could label even that as an inherently egoistical act but I'd rather see that as our basic incentive than fear of punishment.
That's the theory but like I stated in my previous post, people are corrupted by their environment (or weak and stupid, depending on what mood I'm in :D) and not everybody's strong and clear-sighted enough to withstand and nobody all the time.
Since religion has been dealt with in the west. The West has been on a moral decline for quite some time now.
The Morals and values of our forefathers gets thrown out and replaced with new ones.
I think modern times are both a gift and a curse and it's pretty ironic that the moment we develop a technical level and so much insight in the ways things work (from electricity to medicine to... I think you know what I'm getting at) we just continue fucking up the Earth which is literally the foundation of our existence only now with an even bigger impact.
So IMO modern times (at least here in Western countries and of course limited by financial constraints and such) grant a level of personal freedom that I wouldn't wanna miss and I'm even happier for those who would definitely have had it much worse back in the good ol' days.
On the other hand the possibilities of influencing people in ways that don't benefit them and society as a whole (e.g. materialism, excessive consumerism that promises fulfillment) through media and only in favor of small elite and some lucky bastards are too much for many to deal with appropriately.
The consequence of that is that the women in the west are 2 busy with their career and looks and short-time relationships that they no longer produce that many babies. The west is growing grey and with no replacement in sight. Even the staunched secularist will admit that.
As if that would be an exclusively female problem. Well, if all that would make people HAPPY but, I too, doubt that most of the times.
I'd say that is more or less the same problem I described before. I'm not under the impression that today's opportunities for women to realize a lifestyle wich satisfies them as
(potentially ;D) talented, intelligent individuals is an issue but the result, which is parttaking in the same social and economical rat race that men believe to be supposed to compete in.
In sort we are realy floating without knowing where were heading.
I agree in general, but think that the idea of a society led by religious guidelines in which all those problems are non-existent or even less predominant is an illusion. History has proven that times and times again. Morals don't need religion, they can just as well be rationalized. Heaven and hell might be better short-term motivations but aren't necessairy in principle.
Yesterday marriage was between a man and a woman. today they are obsessed awith gay marriage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmGBtTZUna0
Maybe tommorow the decisionmakers will fight for the right of people marrying their pet.
The woman in that video seems a liiittle strange, I give you that but I guess you wouldn't want me to go and link videos of religious nuts. Cause they are what they are, nuts.
I know a couple of gay people of which two are even catholic (which is retarted in my book) BUT that are twice as much gays who very much treasure the sanctity of marriage.
Just to put the significance of such a video in perspective.
Yeah, well, the next one is an absolutely ludicrous statement in terms of logic. Whatever the decisionmakers might advocate in the future they can't really do that on the principle that applies to consenting relationships between adults. At least, nobody ever could present a logically coherent principle to me that would condone both. But please try.
Today they say abortion should be free available.
Tommorow we will say that the right 2 have children should be defined by certain criteria.
It's always about balance and the possibility of having an abortion under certain circumstances doesn't lead to your second point IMO. Wether or not some people might think that kind of population control could be argued on those grounds, to me that'd be a very cynical misuse of the argument. Just as cynical as principally refusing people the right of having an abortion or legally loving someone of the same sex by hinting those rights would as well justify bestiality or taking away people's basic right to have children at all.
Problem with our society is this, we don't have a universal framework in which we can maneuver.
If Tommorow the so called intellectuals decide what the new normal is. The laws wil change with it.
Again, yes I very much believe there is such a moral framework, with or without religion. Gotta stop here but will definitely continue later. :)
Peace
God is not your enemy.
I have no quarrels with god. I do believe that he's non-existent but whether or not that is true is of very little importance to me. I might discuss that topic now and then if it could make for an interesting, respectful conversation but I am at peace with myself and don't feel any urge to place myself above others, only because I think I'm right on that matter.
Just like so many people who believe, who I shared opinions with. Unlike so many bitter, insecure people that need the feeling of self-importance. But those people come in all shapes and colors and with every possible stance on Theism/Atheism.
He created this world and you. And knows what is best for you.
God forbid usery, (Christian Europe used 2 fight against Usery).
God commanded us to honour your parents.
God commanded us to treat people like you yourself want to be treated
God commanded us not to deceive and lie.
God commanded us not to be arrogant
God commanded us to marry and have childeren.
Don't think so. It does get problematic, though, the moment someone thinks he knows what that god dude commanded ME who never found the slightest hint that would make me even question his non-existence. I'm not adressing you here, don't get me wrong. But that's the issue with god and godly commands, how do you prove non-existence? Impossible! So I pass on trying that and let god's business be his. In fact, he never complained personally.
But we the arrogant ones think that we don't need god's laws and we can do fine by ourselfs.
We have ourselfs 2 blame, no one else!
God is merciful and all forgiving. If we turn to him and ask him for guidance, there wil be no one on this world 2 fool us.
Forget these lunatics who do all kind of Godless things in the name of religion.
Wouldn't it be rather arrogant to assume to know god's laws? And which? You are Muslim, right? Jrome's Christian I guess. Might your definitions differ? That simple fact alone that there are billions of people with millions and millions of different opinions on what god's laws truly would be, with everyone sincerely believing in his own personal definition makes the whole theory of a set of absolute, god-given laws highly unlikely IMO.
But again, I very much believe in basic moral guidelines which can exist without godly commands and they often seem pretty similar.
Coming to an end now, I don't think you can simply claim morals for god and then dismiss all those lunatics as if it has absolutely nothing to do with each other. Then again, there would be one way to do that. Acknowledging all the good people that don't believe in god as much as the bad ones that don't.
Only, that would once more imply that there are just people who act based on morals and those who don't and that strongly points to what I'm saying all along.
Morals don't require god and religion and the abscence of both doesn't lead to mankind's downfall as an inevitable consequence of atheism.
Peace
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I'm a little bit off topic, but regarding the last few posts, I think it all comes down to this: We have the power to understand the world around us, but we can't create or change the rules, no matter what kind of society we want to build. The gift of knowledge is a curse at the same time. We are different from everything else on planet earth because humans base their actions on beliefs that we create in our minds. The natural laws of the world we live in will balance the decisions we make, no matter what those decisions are. Let's say we continue a few hundred years to follow capitalism. We will observe a change. We already see, in 2013, that our planet is responding as a whole to our actions, simply because we are disrupting the delicate balance of our world.
That is the whole problem with humanity. The problem is ourselves. Not the systems. Why is capitalism a broken system? Because it need continual growth to be effective. We have to CREATE wealth to sustain the system. Guess what, we don't have the power to create natural ressources. It is impossible for humanity, we are not God. Yet we continue to ''grow'' the economy, grow the debt and exploit all of our ressources.
The system we have to build should be simple, should follow the rules of the universe. We have to respect the balance of our planet. I guess the real question is: Will we survive our own actions? Because our extinction is the natural answer to our actions right now.
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Coming to an end now, I don't think you can simply claim morals for god and then dismiss all those lunatics as if it has absolutely nothing to do with each other. Then again, there would be one way to do that. Acknowledging all the good people that don't believe in god as much as the bad ones that don't.
Only, that would once more imply that there are just people who act based on morals and those who don't and that strongly points to what I'm saying all along.
Morals don't require god and religion and the abscence of both doesn't lead to mankind's downfall as an inevitable consequence of atheism.
Peace
Thank you for making time and your critique of mine statements.
I would be lying if I said that people who do not believe are not good persons.
I dare say that I know more atheist that are truthfull and honest then some believers I know.
Also my christian and jewish brothers are not different then me.
There are more ways to Rome then One.
On the Moral law perspective, let us say that we agree to disagree. :)
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God is the "sun", it is the 'higher' power, and one that most worship on 'sun'day
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God is the "sun", it is the 'higher' power, and one that most worship on 'sun'day
The Prophet Abraham, in his early life worshipped the sun. But came to the conclusion that he is not worth being worshipped.
This is not an attack on your believe just some questions.
The Sun has a begining and it has an end. The Sun is created.
Should we as human being worship other creations. Or Worship the Creator.
The Creator who has no beginning and no end. He is above space and time (which are also creations.)
His power is infinite.
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God is the "sun", it is the 'higher' power, and one that most worship on 'sun'day
The Prophet Abraham, in his early life worshipped the sun. But came to the conclusion that he is not worth being worshipped.
This is not an attack on your believe just some questions.
The Sun has a begining and it has an end. The Sun is created.
Should we as human being worship other creations. Or Worship the Creator.
The Creator who has no beginning and no end. He is above space and time (which are also creations.)
His power is infinite.
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Coming to an end now, I don't think you can simply claim morals for god and then dismiss all those lunatics as if it has absolutely nothing to do with each other. Then again, there would be one way to do that. Acknowledging all the good people that don't believe in god as much as the bad ones that don't.
Only, that would once more imply that there are just people who act based on morals and those who don't and that strongly points to what I'm saying all along.
Morals don't require god and religion and the abscence of both doesn't lead to mankind's downfall as an inevitable consequence of atheism.
Peace
Thank you for making time and your critique of mine statements.
I would be lying if I said that people who do not believe are not good persons.
I dare say that I know more atheist that are truthfull and honest then some believers I know.
Also my christian and jewish brothers are not different then me.
There are more ways to Rome then One.
On the Moral law perspective, let us say that we agree to disagree. :)
Let's do that. Let me say, though, that I still believe the illusion of knowing the absolutes about what's right or wrong or what's good or sinning to be a dangerous one.
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Let's do that. Let me say, though, that I still believe the illusion of knowing the absolutes about what's right or wrong or what's good or sinning to be a dangerous one.
I agree with you. If someone is arrogant and thinking that he is 100% right is indeed very dangerous. There should be a possibility for personal and free choice.
When I talk about Morals I talk about the general ideas of it, not personal.
When I talk abut relying on God, I talk on a personal level.
Maybe that is confusing, I realize that.
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The problem is Fraxx that if you reject god given rights, then the state in a so called democratic institution can impose whatever horrors it wishes to. If you don't believe there are absolute wrongs and rights, then you don't believe there is an innate sense of this either. Therefore under that mind set the likes of Stalin to a sociopathic monster would be a visionary. Without defined wrongs and rights the whole world goes to hell because New social norms can be established very quickly. You don't have to believe in religion to recognise the values established within are beneficial for all. It is only really this which has held the state at bay, the belief of such core values that ISA.
This is why the parasitical sociopathic global class is so desperate to imposed hardcore extreme islam, so intent on framing and demonising christians. They don't want god fearing only people with core beliefs.
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The problem is Fraxx that if you reject god given rights, then the state in a so called democratic institution can impose whatever horrors it wishes to. If you don't believe there are absolute wrongs and rights, then you don't believe there is an innate sense of this either. Therefore under that mind set the likes of Stalin to a sociopathic monster would be a visionary. Without defined wrongs and rights the whole world goes to hell because New social norms can be established very quickly. You don't have to believe in religion to recognise the values established within are beneficial for all. It is only really this which has held the state at bay, the belief of such core values that ISA.
This is why the parasitical sociopathic global class is so desperate to imposed hardcore extreme islam, so intent on framing and demonising christians. They don't want god fearing only people with core beliefs.
Glad you see through the bull@#$%.
Although Muslims and Jews hate to admit it. But Both Zionist Israel and Extremist Saudi Arabia have the same mother: Britain.
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God is the "sun", it is the 'higher' power, and one that most worship on 'sun'day
The Prophet Abraham, in his early life worshipped the sun. But came to the conclusion that he is not worth being worshipped.
This is not an attack on your believe just some questions.
The Sun has a begining and it has an end. The Sun is created.
Should we as human being worship other creations. Or Worship the Creator.
The Creator who has no beginning and no end. He is above space and time (which are also creations.)
His power is infinite.
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The difference between me and you is in name only.
My heart trembles when I read such scripture.
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The problem is Fraxx that if you reject god given rights, then the state in a so called democratic institution can impose whatever horrors it wishes to. If you don't believe there are absolute wrongs and rights, then you don't believe there is an innate sense of this either. Therefore under that mind set the likes of Stalin to a sociopathic monster would be a visionary. Without defined wrongs and rights the whole world goes to hell because New social norms can be established very quickly. You don't have to believe in religion to recognise the values established within are beneficial for all. It is only really this which has held the state at bay, the belief of such core values that ISA.
This is why the parasitical sociopathic global class is so desperate to imposed hardcore extreme islam, so intent on framing and demonising christians. They don't want god fearing only people with core beliefs.
I just reject the "god given" part. I think I made it very clear that I of course believe in human rights and moral guidelines.