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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Jack Trippa 3z company ho on November 15, 2013, 12:55:11 PM
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Y'all know that wasn't really an apple right? Forbidden fruit is a metaphor.
Eve had sex with a fallen angel which was forbidden. Their spawn was Cain. Adams spawn was Able. Cain's bloodline are the royalty you see in place today all over the world.
Fux wit it.
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State your sources please.
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Have you read "Fallen watchers" by Jason Guenther?
Should be up your alley.
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Iblis (Satan) is not an fallen Angel.
Angels don't have free will. What G_d commands them to do, they will do.
Iblis was something different.
He was a djinn (that is where the English word genie comes from.)
Who are djinn.
They are Created by G_d before humans were created. They are created from smokeless fire.
They still roam around on earth. In the west we call them Ghosts of dead people.
They are also used in black Magic.
But back to Iblis.
He used to be the best of djinn... that is why he was up in Heaven.
When G_d created Adam and ordered all the Angels to bow down in respect to this great creation Adam.
They all bowed down except Iblis.
He said he is made of clay and I am made of smokeless fire. So I am better then him.
For his disobidience G_d will throw him in Hell fire.
But Iblis asked 2 delay that, so that he can show.. that adam and his seed (humans) are no better then him.
And since that day your enemy Satan is out 2 deceive you and make sure that you will join him in Hellfire.
That statement that you just wrote is inspired by him.
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State your sources please.
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Have you read "Fallen watchers" by Jason Guenther?
Should be up your alley.
I have many sources for my beliefs. There is no shortage of research and material out there to anyone who is so inclined to search.
I have not read that book.
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Iblis (Satan) is not an fallen Angel.
Angels don't have free will. What G_d commands them to do, they will do.
Iblis was something different.
He was a djinn (that is where the English word genie comes from.)
Who are djinn.
They are Created by G_d before humans were created. They are created from smokeless fire.
They still roam around on earth. In the west we call them Ghosts of dead people.
They are also used in black Magic.
But back to Iblis.
He used to be the best of djinn... that is why he was up in Heaven.
When G_d created Adam and ordered all the Angels to bow down in respect to this great creation Adam.
They all bowed down except Iblis.
He said he is made of clay and I am made of smokeless fire. So I am better then him.
For his disobidience G_d will throw him in Hell fire.
But Iblis asked 2 delay that, so that he can show.. that adam and his seed (humans) are no better then him.
And since that day your enemy Satan is out 2 deceive you and make sure that you will join him in Hellfire.
That statement that you just wrote is inspired by him.
How is my statement inspired by him? It's inspired despite him.
You're arguing semantics and your religious fables interpretations.
We are ultimately saying the exact same thing. The minute details of calling them djinns or satanic spirits etc is pointless and only serves to divide people which is what religion is used for.
The overall essence of what you and I are discussing is the same.
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Here's an interesting article for you Heinz:
http://www.blacksheepmuseum.org/two_seed_line.html
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Here's an interesting article for you Heinz:
http://www.blacksheepmuseum.org/two_seed_line.html
Dankeschön mein Freund.
Will read it later.
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How is my statement inspired by him? It's inspired despite him.
You're arguing semantics and your religious fables interpretations.
We are ultimately saying the exact same thing. The minute details of calling them djinns or satanic spirits etc is pointless and only serves to divide people which is what religion is used for.
The overall essence of what you and I are discussing is the same.
Because you accuse your own mother Eve, 2 commit adultry.
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How is my statement inspired by him? It's inspired despite him.
You're arguing semantics and your religious fables interpretations.
We are ultimately saying the exact same thing. The minute details of calling them djinns or satanic spirits etc is pointless and only serves to divide people which is what religion is used for.
The overall essence of what you and I are discussing is the same.
Because you accuse your own mother Eve, 2 commit adultry.
She ate the forbidden fruit. No debate.
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If the forbidden fruit was having sex with a fallen angel how do you explain the fall of Adam?
Are you saying that Eve tricked him into a menage-a-trois?
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If the forbidden fruit was having sex with a fallen angel how do you explain the fall of Adam?
Good point.
The story from an Islamic perspective:
"The story of Adam and Eve is told in the Qur’an. Although it is similar in many ways to what is found in the surviving remnants of the previous scriptures, some important principles differ.
God announced to the angels that He was placing a new specie on earth. God created Adamp, fashioning him from clay. He breathed the soul into Adamp, taught him the names of all things, and created from the same soul his wife, Eve. God allowed them to dwell in Paradise with free will. God said to the angels, “Bow down to Adam” (They did so in a form of respect, not worship). Satan was present among the angels, though he was not one of them. He was of the jinn, a race of beings possessing free will that God created before Adamp from a smokeless flame of fire. When God ordered the angels and those in their company to bow down to Adamp, they all did so except Satan, who refused out of pride and arrogance, claiming to be better than Adamp because he was created from fire, whereas Adamp was created from clay. Indeed, Satan was the first racist.
Satan fell from God’s grace. God, The Reckoner, condemned him for his disobedience, but Satan, the accursed, asked God to give him respite until the Day of Judgment (resurrection), so he could make Adamp and his descendants unworthy. Satan said, “Verily I will mislead them and surely I will arouse in them vain desires.” God granted him this respite as a trial for humanity. God knows what Satan knows not. It is important to note that there is no way Satan could ever “war” with God, because just like everything else, he is God’s creation. Satan exists only by God’s will; he is completely under God’s power. If God did not want Satan or his helpers to exist, they would not be able to remain in existence for even a moment.
Islam does not give Satan any share of God’s divinity. It does not attribute to him any godlike or divine qualities. Islam rejects the notion that Satan went to war with God and took a third of the hosts of Heaven with him. Satan is an avowed enemy of humanity, but he is merely a creature, absolutely dependent upon God for his very existence.
Though prideful, accursed, and fallen from the grace of God, Satan serves a purpose. God wanted humans to have free choice between right and wrong. He granted human beings an innate ability to recognize The Creator and turn to Him. The human being is considered to be originally good by nature, born pure in the state of Islam (submission). Satan and his hosts order evil and oppose good, seeking to misguide humanity, his avowed enemy, into evil and idolatry, away from monotheism, righteousness, and the path of God. God, The All Wise, invites Muslims to enjoin good and forbid evil. Because we exercise free will, by resisting the temptation of Satan, humans can attain a great level of honor.
The following is a summary of the trial of Adam and Eve in Paradise: They enjoyed perfect freedom and happiness in Paradise. God told them to eat of the fruits of the Garden with pleasure and delight as they pleased. He forbade them from approaching one tree, and warned them that if they did, they will both be of the wrongdoers. Satan came and deceived them, saying that God only forbade them from eating of that tree because it would make them immortal or they would become like the angels. They were thus deceived by Satan and ate of the tree.
Adam and Eve felt shame. They turned to God in sincere repentance and God, The All-Forgiving, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful, forgave them. Islam clearly rejects the concept of original sin, or the notion that all humans are born sinners because of the actions of Adam. No human shall ever bear the burden of another (for God is The Just). Every human being is responsible for his or her actions and is born as a Muslim, pure and free from sin. It is important to note that Islam does not place the blame on Eve. Both Adam and Eve had free will. Both of them ate of the tree. Their sin and disobedience was a joint venture. Islam rejects the idea that women are wicked temptresses or cursed with the burden of menstruation and pain of childbirth due to the sin of Eve.
God removed Adam and Eve from Paradise and made them dwell on earth. God had earlier said to the angels that He was placing a new being on earth. Earth is where God, from the time of creation, in His timeless knowledge, wanted us to be."
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Here's an interesting article for you Heinz:
http://www.blacksheepmuseum.org/two_seed_line.html
Dankeschön mein Freund.
Will read it later.
Read through the article and also tried finding more from Bertrand L. Comparet.
Found his complete works at Aryan Nations website, they seem to hold him in high regard.
I am enjoying reading his interpretations and perspective.
Interesting that he used to be the lawyer to Royal Raymond Rife.
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If the forbidden fruit was having sex with a fallen angel how do you explain the fall of Adam?
Are you saying that Eve tricked him into a menage-a-trois?
It's possible. Or a homosexual act with Adam.
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If the forbidden fruit was having sex with a fallen angel how do you explain the fall of Adam?
Good point.
The story from an Islamic perspective:
"The story of Adam and Eve is told in the Qur’an. Although it is similar in many ways to what is found in the surviving remnants of the previous scriptures, some important principles differ.
God announced to the angels that He was placing a new specie on earth. God created Adamp, fashioning him from clay. He breathed the soul into Adamp, taught him the names of all things, and created from the same soul his wife, Eve. God allowed them to dwell in Paradise with free will. God said to the angels, “Bow down to Adam” (They did so in a form of respect, not worship). Satan was present among the angels, though he was not one of them. He was of the jinn, a race of beings possessing free will that God created before Adamp from a smokeless flame of fire. When God ordered the angels and those in their company to bow down to Adamp, they all did so except Satan, who refused out of pride and arrogance, claiming to be better than Adamp because he was created from fire, whereas Adamp was created from clay. Indeed, Satan was the first racist.
Satan fell from God’s grace. God, The Reckoner, condemned him for his disobedience, but Satan, the accursed, asked God to give him respite until the Day of Judgment (resurrection), so he could make Adamp and his descendants unworthy. Satan said, “Verily I will mislead them and surely I will arouse in them vain desires.” God granted him this respite as a trial for humanity. God knows what Satan knows not. It is important to note that there is no way Satan could ever “war” with God, because just like everything else, he is God’s creation. Satan exists only by God’s will; he is completely under God’s power. If God did not want Satan or his helpers to exist, they would not be able to remain in existence for even a moment.
Islam does not give Satan any share of God’s divinity. It does not attribute to him any godlike or divine qualities. Islam rejects the notion that Satan went to war with God and took a third of the hosts of Heaven with him. Satan is an avowed enemy of humanity, but he is merely a creature, absolutely dependent upon God for his very existence.
Though prideful, accursed, and fallen from the grace of God, Satan serves a purpose. God wanted humans to have free choice between right and wrong. He granted human beings an innate ability to recognize The Creator and turn to Him. The human being is considered to be originally good by nature, born pure in the state of Islam (submission). Satan and his hosts order evil and oppose good, seeking to misguide humanity, his avowed enemy, into evil and idolatry, away from monotheism, righteousness, and the path of God. God, The All Wise, invites Muslims to enjoin good and forbid evil. Because we exercise free will, by resisting the temptation of Satan, humans can attain a great level of honor.
The following is a summary of the trial of Adam and Eve in Paradise: They enjoyed perfect freedom and happiness in Paradise. God told them to eat of the fruits of the Garden with pleasure and delight as they pleased. He forbade them from approaching one tree, and warned them that if they did, they will both be of the wrongdoers. Satan came and deceived them, saying that God only forbade them from eating of that tree because it would make them immortal or they would become like the angels. They were thus deceived by Satan and ate of the tree.
Adam and Eve felt shame. They turned to God in sincere repentance and God, The All-Forgiving, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful, forgave them. Islam clearly rejects the concept of original sin, or the notion that all humans are born sinners because of the actions of Adam. No human shall ever bear the burden of another (for God is The Just). Every human being is responsible for his or her actions and is born as a Muslim, pure and free from sin. It is important to note that Islam does not place the blame on Eve. Both Adam and Eve had free will. Both of them ate of the tree. Their sin and disobedience was a joint venture. Islam rejects the idea that women are wicked temptresses or cursed with the burden of menstruation and pain of childbirth due to the sin of Eve.
God removed Adam and Eve from Paradise and made them dwell on earth. God had earlier said to the angels that He was placing a new being on earth. Earth is where God, from the time of creation, in His timeless knowledge, wanted us to be."
Thanks for posting.
I don't take being born into sin as a literal interpretation, ie every person on earth are sinners because of Adam and Eve's sin.
I believe that as a result of their sin, particularly Eve's, that we are born with DNA which causes us to have a dark side. Not necessarily a very dark side, but causes us to not always act as one with God.
As stated, Satan is the king of the earth, however he is ALLOWED this domain by God. We are tempted by evil and earthly riches...how do we handle it? How do we react to difficult situations, big and small?
That's what I believe this incarnation is for, to test our merit. If we prove we are worthy we go on to places 10000000x better than the here and now. But you have to prove yourself worthy.
Bingo, this is exactly in line with my own interpretation too, Hell is Earth, not literally in the sense that everything is evil, but in the sense that there is so much evil which is allowed to flourish on this earth therefore if we accept that Satan exists, then Satan is indeed the overseer of this earth. The question I have though is why is it you have to know the "craft" in order to channel fully channel his energy's?
Life is surely a game, a test, a challenge, I don't know if we go to a better place, but at an innate level, I feel there is something more beyond this layer of what we can see, touch, smell.
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Here's an interesting article for you Heinz:
http://www.blacksheepmuseum.org/two_seed_line.html
Dankeschön mein Freund.
Will read it later.
Read through the article and also tried finding more from Bertrand L. Comparet.
Found his complete works at Aryan Nations website, they seem to hold him in high regard.
I am enjoying reading his interpretations and perspective.
Interesting that he used to be the lawyer to Royal Raymond Rife.
I was not aware of his affiliation with Royal Rife. Very interesting indeed.
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If the forbidden fruit was having sex with a fallen angel how do you explain the fall of Adam?
Are you saying that Eve tricked him into a menage-a-trois?
It's possible. Or a homosexual act with Adam.
Are all fallen angels male in gender?
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Angels are hermaphrodites. Sex between angels is gay2.
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If the forbidden fruit was having sex with a fallen angel how do you explain the fall of Adam?
Are you saying that Eve tricked him into a menage-a-trois?
It's possible. Or a homosexual act with Adam.
Are all fallen angels male in gender?
Could be. Or they could be something different completely. Do you think Lucifer was female?
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Angels are hermaphrodites. Sex between angels is gay2.
If they're hermaphrodites it's only half gay.
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Angels are hermaphrodites. Sex between angels is gay2.
If they're hermaphrodites it's only half gay.
My bad. I meant it's fully gay and fully lesbian, so it's homo2.
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Y'all know that wasn't really an apple right? Forbidden fruit is a metaphor.
Eve had sex with a fallen angel which was forbidden. Their spawn was Cain. Adams spawn was Able. Cain's bloodline are the royalty you see in place today all over the world.
Fux wit it.
yea, i thought this was already known?
the apple story is for kids n shit
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Y'all know that wasn't really an apple right? Forbidden fruit is a metaphor.
Eve had sex with a fallen angel which was forbidden. Their spawn was Cain. Adams spawn was Able. Cain's bloodline are the royalty you see in place today all over the world.
Fux wit it.
yea, i thought this was already known?
the apple story is for kids n shit
Exactly, a lot of the bible is allegory/metaphor...a lot of it has been doctored over the centuries as well.
Some people literally think a snake talked to eve and had her eat an apple, so I was compelled to at least give an opposing viewpoint.
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yea, i thought this was already known?
the apple story is for kids n shit
Well if that is the case, Heinz point still stands, why was adam punished...
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yea, i thought this was already known?
the apple story is for kids n shit
Well if that is the case, Heinz point still stands, why was adam punished...
Obviously it's all speculation, but I already addressed that.
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Some people literally think a snake talked to eve and had her eat an apple
Maybe it literally was a snake (i.e reptilian).
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Some people literally think a snake talked to eve and had her eat an apple
Maybe it literally was a snake (i.e reptilian).
For me that is no problem, because Djijn are shapeshifters. They can come also as humans. or as animal.
Something Else: Heinz, you make your own avatars? They are very creative.
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So a Djinn can manifest itself physically, or can it just take possession of a physical body?
They are composed of fire (spirit) right?
Yes I make my own avatars. Glad you like them.
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So a Djinn can manifest itself physically, or can it just take possession of a physical body?
They are composed of fire (spirit) right?
Yes I make my own avatars. Glad you like them.
They can do both. They are made of smokeless fire.
People who use black magic, contact them.
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Some people literally think a snake talked to eve and had her eat an apple
Maybe it literally was a snake (i.e reptilian).
Possibly, but I believe it is a metaphor.
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I'm not into religion too much, so reading this thread I realized I had this all wrong.
I always tought that the apple was the gift and curse of Knowledge.
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So a Djinn can manifest itself physically, or can it just take possession of a physical body?
They are composed of fire (spirit) right?
Just to make some things clear.
Our religion teaches
- Humans are made of clay (earth) - the term from dust to dust applies to that and humans have a FREE WILL.
- Djinn are made of smokeless fire - they also have a FREE WILL. (you will find religious DJINN as well as evil DJINN)
- Angels are made of light - they don't have a free will, they obey G_D and can never disobey.
That is why when G_D made Adam the Angels asked him why he did that, the angels will always praise him and never disobey him, they tell G_D.
While the humans will probably shed blood and disobey (the angels speak form experience with the first creatures who had a free will the Djinn.)
And finaly Gog and Magog, are also humans. And I have a theorie about them. If anyones interested I could share it with you. But I think that should be a separate topic.
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Do a Gog and Magog thread Aladin.
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Do a Gog and Magog thread Aladin.
Thanks for your your interest.
It is a complicated subject.
So I will take my time to write it as clear as possible so that we may benefit from it.
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Anticipating it.
Props.
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Do a Gog and Magog thread Aladin.
Still waiting...
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Do a Gog and Magog thread Aladin.
Still waiting...
LOL, G_d willing I will make time this weekend.. I am sorry for the delay..
I have no excuses anymore....
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Thank you for emailing me that book.
I watched a 2 hour video with the author where he discussed the topic, interesting stuff.
Look forward to your thread and will hopefully be able to contribute something to it myself.
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Funny how now the term "forbidden fruit" is used to describe young under 18 hotties.
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Found this facsimile when I went through my files earlier and thought you might like it J:
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2q2jzh5.jpg)
Peace.