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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Halu Sination on December 06, 2013, 08:12:06 AM
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The Mariners and Robinson Cano are in agreement on a 10-year, $240MM contract, according to Enrique Rojas of ESPNDeportes.com (Spanish link). The contract will tie Albert Pujols for the third-largest deal in Major League history.
Reports from earlier today indicated that talks between Cano and the Mariners had crumbled after Jay-Z suddenly upped his demands back to $252MM when the Mariners were prepared to offer $225MM over nine years. The two sides appear to have reached a middle ground, with Cano's camp dropping by $12MM or so and the Mariners agreeing to add a tenth season at $15MM.
Cano, who turned 31 in October, batted .314/.383/.516 with 27 home runs in 2013 and has averaged a batting line of .314/.369/.530 and 28 home runs over the previous five seasons. Paired with plus defense at second base, Cano has been worth an average of 6.8 (Baseball-Reference) or 5.8 (Fangraphs) wins above replacement.
Cano's enormous sum is just $2MM more than the combined $238MM that the Yankees paid to sign Brian McCann (five years, $85MM) and Jacoby Ellsbury (seven years, $153MM).
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I'm extremely disappointed that the Mariners caved in for the 10th year. I thought the negotiations were off, would've been hilarious if Cano was left without any suitors.
Don't feel bad at all Yankee fans. You guys just avoided a catastrophe. Mariner fans, congrats as you guys got your franchise player. I pray for the best as these type of contracts haven't been working out too well these last few years.
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lmao
this is going to be even worse of a contract than Pujols! thanks for saving us from making a huge mistake, I think McCann/Ellsbury is a better investment than just keeping Cano's non hustling ass.
will miss him but he'll decline early in that ballpark and with that lineup
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I think McCann/Ellsbury is a better investment than just keeping Cano's non hustling ass.
#shitdisgruntledYankeesfanssay.
I always considered Cano's lack of hustle (or what appeared like it) to be very smart and kept him from getting injured. Case in point? Giancarlo Stanton (the huge outfielder and only hitter worth a damn on the Marlins) charged the first base line on a ground ball in 2013 and tore a hamstring.
Anyway congrats to the Mariners for finally being able to outbid the Yankees, although I do wonder where this money was back when Griffey (or A-Rod) were on their way out the door. I guess those TV deals really do make a difference. I hope you enjoy Cano, get another hitter or two and manage to take Price out of the AL East.
As for the Yankees, 4th place in the AL East has their name written all over it.
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lawl @ the mariners
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I think McCann/Ellsbury is a better investment than just keeping Cano's non hustling ass.
#shitdisgruntledYankeesfanssay.
I always considered Cano's lack of hustle (or what appeared like it) to be very smart and kept him from getting injured. Case in point? Giancarlo Stanton (the huge outfielder and only hitter worth a damn on the Marlins) charged the first base line on a ground ball in 2013 and tore a hamstring.
Anyway congrats to the Mariners for finally being able to outbid the Yankees, although I do wonder where this money was back when Griffey (or A-Rod) were on their way out the door. I guess those TV deals really do make a difference. I hope you enjoy Cano, get another hitter or two and manage to take Price out of the AL East.
As for the Yankees, 4th place in the AL East has their name written all over it.
Not to go off subject but Griffey was actually traded upon his own request to play in his hometown.
In any case, Mariners might be in serious contention for David Price since they don't seem to have an issue of giving up prospects anymore, and Tampa Bay sure loves stealing prospects. With Price, they would have one of the best 1-2-3 combos in the AL, but they would still have a ridiculous way to go from getting into serious contention.
Yanks can still salvage their season. Stephen Drew, Infante, Colon, Balfour... still a lot of players who can make a big impact on the team. If there's any outfielders you want, you better make it quick though, because Seattle is going to be going all out on those same outfielders lol.
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Outfielders? We don't need any more outfielders (although that's not to say the Yankees won't go after more though), what we need is pitching. Kuroda resigning with the Yanks is awesome (and probably the only off-season transaction the Yankees did that I'll actually like) but even then our rotation won't stand a chance against those that the Red Sox and Rays have.
If the Yankees can't sign Tanaka, Ubaldo or Garza then they'll have to trade Gardner (because no one would want to take Wells, Ichiro or Soriano) for a decent pitcher.
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I just mentioned OFers because I keep hearing that Cashman is dead set on Beltran for some reason.
In any case, Tanaka continues to look less and less likely with the max posting bid, with Tanaka's team President saying "Japanese professional baseball isn't a development system or farm for the big leagues." Yikes.
Ubaldo and Garza would make decent pick-ups though.
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Good. Obviously overpaid, but I do not give a fuck. Any Mariner fan would understand.
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I think McCann/Ellsbury is a better investment than just keeping Cano's non hustling ass.
#shitdisgruntledYankeesfanssay.
I always considered Cano's lack of hustle (or what appeared like it) to be very smart and kept him from getting injured. Case in point? Giancarlo Stanton (the huge outfielder and only hitter worth a damn on the Marlins) charged the first base line on a ground ball in 2013 and tore a hamstring.
Anyway congrats to the Mariners for finally being able to outbid the Yankees, although I do wonder where this money was back when Griffey (or A-Rod) were on their way out the door. I guess those TV deals really do make a difference. I hope you enjoy Cano, get another hitter or two and manage to take Price out of the AL East.
As for the Yankees, 4th place in the AL East has their name written all over it.
far from disgruntled
we had Cano as our #1 player on a team with no first basemen and no catcher and we missed the playoffs.
We'll get Tex back, Jeter back, bring in McCann and Ellsbury and will be an improved team.
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We'll get Tex back, Jeter back, bring in McCann and Ellsbury and will be an improved team.
Teixiera is in decline and is a shadow of his former self.
Jeter is a decent hitter but his defense sucks ass and will cost the Yankees one too many runs.
McCann is decent both as a hitter and catcher but he won't be able to carry the entire team.
Ellsbury couldn't stay on the field if his life depended on it.
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We'll get Tex back, Jeter back, bring in McCann and Ellsbury and will be an improved team.
Teixiera is in decline and is a shadow of his former self.
Jeter is a decent hitter but his defense sucks ass and will cost the Yankees one too many runs.
McCann is decent both as a hitter and catcher but he won't be able to carry the entire team.
Ellsbury couldn't stay on the field if his life depended on it.
Ellsbury's injuries are all because he hustles too hard. I like that.
Oh and remember how painful it was watching Cano in the World Series? Yuck. For every amazing thing he did in the regular season I literally cannot recall and significant moments of him in the playoffs in general.
It'll suck seeing him go to Seattle and hit 25 homers next year and walk a shitload of times but the Yankees are a team and not one individual. I gave Red Sox fans a lot of shit for them trading Adrian Gonzalez who was by far their best player and they go and make some small pickups and win the World Series.
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Ellsbury's injuries are all because he hustles too hard. I like that.
You won't like it when he misses nearly half the season and the Yanks end up having to give Wells more playing time.
Oh and remember how painful it was watching Cano in the World Series? Yuck. For every amazing thing he did in the regular season I literally cannot recall and significant moments of him in the playoffs in general.
It'll suck seeing him go to Seattle and hit 25 homers next year and walk a shitload of times but the Yankees are a team and not one individual. I gave Red Sox fans a lot of shit for them trading Adrian Gonzalez who was by far their best player and they go and make some small pickups and win the World Series.
Last I checked almost everybody on the Yankees's roster was horrible in the postseason, not just Cano. Only exceptions were most of the pitchers, Ibanez, Ichiro and Jeter.
As for the Red Sox there are three things they have that the Yankees don't, a young talented core, a good farm system and depth. Pedroia, Bucholz, Lester, Doubront, Nava, Bradley, Bogaerts, Tazawa and Middlebrooks are key members of the Red Sox's succes and they were all brought up in that organization and this list will continue to grow bigger thanks to their kick-ass farm system. Barnes, Cecchini, Bentz, Marrero, Buttrey and Ball, they're all on the come-up and will continue to keep Boston competitive for years to come. Their farm system and huge budget allows them to be able to trade or buy anybody that they want (well almost everybody). And unlike the Yankees they're spending their money wisely and only giving relatively short-termdeals to effective players. In 2013 guys like Victorino, Napoli and Uehara made all the difference to them.
The Yankees are not young, their farmsystem is dogshit and have zero depth. If the main guys get hurt the Yankees will be in deep shit all over again.
And while I agree that baseball is a team sport the bottom line is that an Ortiz-less Red Sox roster is a lot better and talented than a Cano-less Yankees roster. Everyone around Ortiz is better than everyone who would've been around Cano in 2014.
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Yankees were 4th place last year with Cano and Granderson....they both got mad overpaid this off season. You gotta move on and make the best decisions for both now and the future and watching Cano play until 41 for more money than Albert Pujols is retarded.
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Yankees were 4th place last year with Cano and Granderson....they both got mad overpaid this off season. You gotta move on and make the best decisions for both now and the future and watching Cano play until 41 for more money than Albert Pujols is retarded.
I'm sure I'll be crying myself to sleep 10 years from now.
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Yankees were 4th place last year with Cano and Granderson....they both got mad overpaid this off season. You gotta move on and make the best decisions for both now and the future and watching Cano play until 41 for more money than Albert Pujols is retarded.
I'm sure I'll be crying myself to sleep 10 years from now.
I don't care about this from the view of a Mariner fan...you guys will have two all-star players at 2nd and pitcher and still finish 3rd/4th in the division over the length of this contract.
Cano is one of my favorite players but it will be ugly watching him hit in that ballpark in his prime let alone at 41.
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Yankees were 4th place last year with Cano and Granderson....they both got mad overpaid this off season. You gotta move on and make the best decisions for both now and the future and watching Cano play until 41 for more money than Albert Pujols is retarded.
I'm sure I'll be crying myself to sleep 10 years from now.
I don't care about this from the view of a Mariner fan...you guys will have two all-star players at 2nd and pitcher and still finish 3rd/4th in the division over the length of this contract.
lmao whatever you say
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When was the last time the Mariners made the playoffs again? Just be glad you got the Seahawks man...they are superbowl material.
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When was the last time the Mariners made the playoffs again? Just be glad you got the Seahawks man...they are superbowl material.
That's exactly it, you don't know anything about the organization or what's lead to all these shitty years so you're not really qualified to make predictions based on the next 10 years.
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When was the last time the Mariners made the playoffs again? Just be glad you got the Seahawks man...they are superbowl material.
That's exactly it, you don't know anything about the organization or what's lead to all these shitty years so you're not really qualified to make predictions based on the next 10 years.
I do know the answer, it was 2001 because we beat your teams asses in the playoffs despite you having the best record. I was being a smartass with my reply.
The Seattle Sonics have a better shot at a championship over the next 10 years than the Mariners do lol
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When was the last time the Mariners made the playoffs again? Just be glad you got the Seahawks man...they are superbowl material.
That's exactly it, you don't know anything about the organization or what's lead to all these shitty years so you're not really qualified to make predictions based on the next 10 years.
I do know the answer, it was 2001 because we beat your teams asses in the playoffs despite you having the best record. I was being a smartass with my reply.
The Seattle Sonics have a better shot at a championship over the next 10 years than the Mariners do lol
I wasn't insinuating that you didn't actually know the last time. What I was getting at is the outsider sentiment of "ohh they haven't made the playoffs in x amount of years so it'll always be the same". It's not really logical.
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I will respectfully agree to disagree that this is a bad deal. However I certainly do not blame you for being excited as he is the best 2nd baseman right now and you guys need help.
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Remedy, go fuck yourself & don't talk to me.
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Yankees were 4th place last year with Cano and Granderson....they both got mad overpaid this off season. You gotta move on and make the best decisions for both now and the future and watching Cano play until 41 for more money than Albert Pujols is retarded.
I'm not saying that bringing back Cano at that contract or bringing back Granderson at the deal he got would've been ideal for the Yankees.
What I am saying is that without Cano the McCann and Ellsbury signings were pointless. There's no middle-of-the-order threat in the Yankees lineup anymore and the old dinosaurs the Yankees chose to rely on can't be trusted. The Yankees moved on from Cano and Granderson to McCann and Ellsbury, and they're still horrible and doomed for a 4th place finish. They can't possibly compete with Boston and Tampa in the same division.
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I will respectfully agree to disagree that this is a bad deal. However I certainly do not blame you for being excited as he is the best 2nd baseman right now and you guys need help.
I'm not gonna argue and say I love the economics, but we needed to do this.
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Yankees were 4th place last year with Cano and Granderson....they both got mad overpaid this off season. You gotta move on and make the best decisions for both now and the future and watching Cano play until 41 for more money than Albert Pujols is retarded.
I'm not saying that bringing back Cano at that contract or bringing back Granderson at the deal he got would've been ideal for the Yankees.
What I am saying is that without Cano the McCann and Ellsbury signings were pointless. There's no middle-of-the-order threat in the Yankees lineup anymore and the old dinosaurs the Yankees chose to rely on can't be trusted. The Yankees moved on from Cano and Granderson to McCann and Ellsbury, and they're still horrible and doomed for a 4th place finish. They can't possibly compete with Boston and Tampa in the same division.
Agreed. And the problem to me isn't that they didn't overpay for Cano... the problem is they overpaid for Ellsbury and then decided to let Cano go.
Offering the best 2B in the game (not to mention their own homegrown talent) a $170 mill contract after giving out a $154 million deal to Ellsbury is borderline insulting. At first I thought Cashman was giving a starting price and was just trying to negotiate from there, but apparently he did not budge from his initial offer. We all know Cano wasn't exactly fantasizing about going to Seattle. He tried to use them as leverage but in the end Yankees never upped their offer even once.
I'm glad Seattle realized that their "developing talent" plan isn't working anymore though, so now it's time for them to go balls out and get David Price and another outfielder.
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Well the deal is finalized. Cano will be sporting number 22.
I love how all of the bitter and idiotic Yankees fans (that's another reason why I want to renounce my Yankees fandom, 95% of their fanbase is fucking retarded) kept attacking Cano on social media sites for "abandoning his team and taking the money," yeah like the Yankees have never done that to other teams before ::).
I also liked this one article (I think it was on ESPN New York) where it said that "Jay-Z got Cano some more vacation time, in October" which is true, but ironically also would've been true if he had stayed with the Yankees.
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Well the deal is finalized. Cano will be sporting number 22.
I love how all of the bitter and idiotic Yankees fans (that's another reason why I want to renounce my Yankees fandom, 95% of their fanbase is fucking retarded) kept attacking Cano on social media sites for "abandoning his team and taking the money," yeah like the Yankees have never done that to other teams before ::).
I also liked this one article (I think it was on ESPN New York) where it said that "Jay-Z got Cano some more vacation time, in October" which is true, but ironically also would've been true if he had stayed with the Yankees.
Yeah there was no way in hell Mariners would let Cano wear 24 lol. Seattle would've rioted if they did.
And yes Yankees suck and are only in a slightly better position than Mariners in terms of readiness to compete, but I guarantee in a couple years into this contract, if Seattle still isn't making the play-offs, this is going to be a premiere example of money being unable to buy happiness for Cano. Even tough Seattle has some of the best sports fans in the country, the franchise itself doesn't offer the same amount of spotlight and appreciation that Cano was getting with the Yanks and he's about to realize it soon. For someone who just made $240 mill, Cano didn't even look that elated in the press conference.
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True, true.
I have to wonder though, if Cano had stayed with the Yankees would he have become the face of their franchise?
I'm asking this because we all know full well that no one's going to the face of that team until Derek no-range Jeter finally gets the fuck out. But assuming Jeter plays for at least 1 more year and Cano had resigned, he would be about 33 when he claims the throne. Not an ideal age to be when you become the face of the franchise. Would they have tried shifting the focus onto somebody younger?
And as much as I'd hate to pull this card, are the Yankees ready for a face of the franchise who isn't (in some capacity) a white man?
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True, true.
I have to wonder though, if Cano had stayed with the Yankees would he have become the face of their franchise?
I'm asking this because we all know full well that no one's going to the face of that team until Derek no-range Jeter finally gets the fuck out. But assuming Jeter plays for at least 1 more year and Cano had resigned, he would be about 33 when he claims the throne. Not an ideal age to be when you become the face of the franchise. Would they have tried shifting the focus onto somebody younger?
And as much as I'd hate to pull this card, are the Yankees ready for a face of the franchise who isn't (in some capacity) a white man?
Yeah I don't think Cano is marketable enough either. Cano has got to be the least popular player to ever make a 200+ million deal in MLB history.
Speaking of your face of the franchise white players, did you know Yankees were going to draft Mike Trout had Angels not taken him at 25 that year (Yanks were 4 picks behind Angels)? Yanks and Angels were the only two teams sold on Trout. How perfect would that have been for Yankees? Getting a homegrown Jersey kid who ended up being the best player in the MLB in his fucking rookie year. It's a shame.
Here's an article about it.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/yankees-remember-hooked-mike-trout-angels-article-1.1115065
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Yes, I'm painfully aware of how the Yankees were all in on Mike Trout on draft day. Ironically enough the draft slot the Angels used that day was the compensation pick the Yankees gave to the Angels when they signed Mark Teixiera.
What hurts even more is that a few years prior when the Marlins were shopping around Miguel Cabrera the Yankees were involved but didn't want to give up Joba or Hughes.
Why is that relevent?
Because if the Yankees had traded away Joba and Hughes for Miguel Cabrera he would've been moved to 1st base. With Cabrera at first the Yankees would have zero need for Mark Teixiera, thus the Yankees would've been able to keep the pick they gave up to the Angels and selected Mike Trout. Meaning that around 2011/2012 we could've had a Yankee offense that looked like:
C/DH - Jorge Posada
C - Russel Martin
1st - Miguel Cabrera
2nd - Robinson Cano
SS - Derek Jeter
3rd - Alex Rodriguez
OF - Mike Trout
OF - Brett Gardner
OF/DH - Curtis Granderson
OF/DH - Nick Swisher
Look at that :o. Now THAT is an unbeatable lineup. Throw in the miraculous seasons we got from Andrew Jones and Raul Ibanez and it gets even better!
Despite all of this, given how terrible the Yankees are at developing talent and how they always trade away anyone remotely good in their system I have no doubt that they would've screwed up Mike Trout in some form or another. Plus the Marlins have a knack for developing pitchers so Joba and Hughes might've really turned into the next Nolan Ryan(s) in Miami.
Oh and BTW, Joba just signed with the Detroit Tigers. Wish him the best.
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.263 with 1 home run in 24 games
1 home run every 100 at-bats for 240 million ;D