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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: jmix on April 24, 2014, 11:42:16 PM
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In This Part We Speak On:
Working On 'Still I Rise'
Tupac's Death
Recording 'As The World Turn's'
Scarpped Tracks on Still I Rise
High Speed Reel was Originally Labeled Under The Wrong Producer
Posthumous remixes
Was The Realest Recording as "2pac"?
Darryl States for a Fact that 2pac's vocals were replaced.
Embarrassed about working with Tha Realest
Jewell snapping On Tha Realest and SUGE
Heron Snapping On Suge
Chronic 2000
..And MUCH MORE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9s4cdelONk
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Damn now this one sounds interesting.
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The Darryl Harper interview is one of the best you've ever conducted, jmix.
Before this, I thought the Kurt Kobane and Nuttso interviews were the best, but this one is on par with them. Darryl is dropping so much knowledge, it's crazy.
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Damn I wish this was longer!
What he said about not wanting to work with homie but needing the money and how he said it epitomized real talk!
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The Darryl Harper interview is one of the best you've ever conducted, jmix.
Before this, I thought the Kurt Kobane and Nuttso interviews were the best, but this one is on par with them. Darryl is dropping so much knowledge, it's crazy.
that is funny, i actually agree with you. Thanks for the compliment.
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The Darryl Harper interview is one of the best you've ever conducted, jmix.
Before this, I thought the Kurt Kobane and Nuttso interviews were the best, but this one is on par with them. Darryl is dropping so much knowledge, it's crazy.
that is funny, i actually agree with you. Thanks for the compliment.
Real recognize real, homie. When I dissed you for not asking Natasha Walker about having sex with Tupac, I was just trolling. I'm a fan of the interviews and appreciate the new knowledge coming to light about Pac.
Picture me trollin' 8)
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Does anybody have a list of songs that Darryl Harper produced for Tupac? I'd imagine that he did around 20 tracks for Pac, maybe more, maybe less. The list might be shorter, but it's clear that Big D produced some of Tupac's best songs on DR (like As the World Turns).
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Does anybody have a list of songs that Darryl Harper produced for Tupac? I'd imagine that he did around 20 tracks for Pac, maybe more, maybe less. The list might be shorter, but it's clear that Big D produced some of Tupac's best songs on DR (like As the World Turns).
I am trying to get D to tell me that as welll as what songs sound to him, as The Realest.. waiting. But if someone can beat me to the punch. id appreciate it.
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JMix, you always come correct with your interviews.
Have you ever thought about doing a book or something on Death Row? With all the great information that you have in these interviews, you could probably pen a really compelling book.
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It's interesting that there are some of Suge's homies (and I'm sure it wasn't only Heron and Rock) who didn't let their paychecks get in the way of going at Suge if something was wrong.
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Does anybody have a list of songs that Darryl Harper produced for Tupac? I'd imagine that he did around 20 tracks for Pac, maybe more, maybe less. The list might be shorter, but it's clear that Big D produced some of Tupac's best songs on DR (like As the World Turns).
I am trying to get D to tell me that as welll as what songs sound to him, as The Realest.. waiting. But if someone can beat me to the punch. id appreciate it.
I would definitely like to know which posthumous songs have vocals from Tha Realest on them. My guess is that a few of them probably have adlibs from him, and probably some others have him recording Pac verses where the vocals were defective in some way. Like in one of the versions of Playa Cardz Right, a few words are missing - wouldn't be surprised if Tha Realest filled them in on songs with similar omissions.
If I had to guess one posthumous song that has vocals from Tha Realest on it, I would pick Changes. If you listen to the OG and you listen to the version on Greatest Hits, Pac's voice sounds very different. When the version on Greatest Hits was released, most people I know assumed it was a song from the Death Row era, not 1992, because Pac sounded older on the song. Of course, it might not be Tha Realest, it might just be some of the same voice alteration techniques used on Loyal to the Game.
It would make sense if Changes features vocals from Tha Realest, since they used Realest in the video for Unconditional Love - another song released on Greatest Hits. Maybe there are also Realest vocals on the version of Troublesome 96 released on Greatest Hits.
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such a fucking shame if this is all true although i can't be surprised because Tha Realest was used on the Life Goes On clean version
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WoW....
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totally off topic but i wonder if Pac would have thought of this if he survived but lost his voice from the vegas shooting lol
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I doubt they used him on "Changes". I think that was an Amaru track. "Troublesome" and "Unconditional Love" were Death Row.
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such a fucking shame if this is all true although i can't be surprised because Tha Realest was used on the Life Goes On clean version
Never knew that about the clean version of Life Goes On...crazy shit. I'm bumping the song now, it's really obvious that the clean variants are not Pac. You can hear the Texas twang in some of Releast's vocals, like when he says "mash": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZcO9_a6KyY
As for the whole issue of Realest's vocals on posthumous Pac tracks, I doubt that he's on more than a few tracks. We have the original versions of most of the Posthumous songs by now, so it can't be thought that they tried to pass off inauthentic verses as Pac's own. My guess is that the only thing Tha Realest did was "touch up" a few Pac songs. But for Big D that alone was probably enough to make him disgusted with the whole enterprise of posthumous releases.
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I would definitely like to know which posthumous songs have vocals from Tha Realest on them. My guess is that a few of them probably have adlibs from him, and probably some others have him recording Pac verses where the vocals were defective in some way. Like in one of the versions of Playa Cardz Right, a few words are missing - wouldn't be surprised if Tha Realest filled them in on songs with similar omissions.
If I had to guess one posthumous song that has vocals from Tha Realest on it, I would pick Changes. If you listen to the OG and you listen to the version on Greatest Hits, Pac's voice sounds very different. When the version on Greatest Hits was released, most people I know assumed it was a song from the Death Row era, not 1992, because Pac sounded older on the song. Of course, it might not be Tha Realest, it might just be some of the same voice alteration techniques used on Loyal to the Game.
It would make sense if Changes features vocals from Tha Realest, since they used Realest in the video for Unconditional Love - another song released on Greatest Hits. Maybe there are also Realest vocals on the version of Troublesome 96 released on Greatest Hits.
I think you're wrong on all counts, regarding the songs. It's been said that Playa Cardz Right in retail form may have originated from a different take or a different vocal layer of the track, for whatever reason. And like someone else said, while Greatest Hits was a joint project between Amaru and Death Row, Changes was more of an Amaru effort, while the other Death Row-era unreleased tracks were Death Row's efforts.
With Realest having been on Death Row at some time, it's likely that his only vocal contributions were limited to additional layers on existing songs that ended up getting released on either Until the End of Time or Better Dayz.
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I would definitely like to know which posthumous songs have vocals from Tha Realest on them. My guess is that a few of them probably have adlibs from him, and probably some others have him recording Pac verses where the vocals were defective in some way. Like in one of the versions of Playa Cardz Right, a few words are missing - wouldn't be surprised if Tha Realest filled them in on songs with similar omissions.
If I had to guess one posthumous song that has vocals from Tha Realest on it, I would pick Changes. If you listen to the OG and you listen to the version on Greatest Hits, Pac's voice sounds very different. When the version on Greatest Hits was released, most people I know assumed it was a song from the Death Row era, not 1992, because Pac sounded older on the song. Of course, it might not be Tha Realest, it might just be some of the same voice alteration techniques used on Loyal to the Game.
It would make sense if Changes features vocals from Tha Realest, since they used Realest in the video for Unconditional Love - another song released on Greatest Hits. Maybe there are also Realest vocals on the version of Troublesome 96 released on Greatest Hits.
I think you're wrong on all counts, regarding the songs. It's been said that Playa Cardz Right in retail form may have originated from a different take or a different vocal layer of the track, for whatever reason. And like someone else said, while Greatest Hits was a joint project between Amaru and Death Row, Changes was more of an Amaru effort, while the other Death Row-era unreleased tracks were Death Row's efforts.
With Realest having been on Death Row at some time, it's likely that his only vocal contributions were limited to additional layers on existing songs that ended up getting released on either Until the End of Time or Better Dayz.
agree with most of what you said until the last part... there is no evidence that there has ever been any realest vocals on any retail pac song besides his adlibs from life goes on and that unreleased troublesome mix of him doing the same thing that could exist in full..... and i dont think amaru would have let that slide at the time...
if the realest was recording over pac tracks, then they havent leaked yet... but besides him doing clean edits for some pac songs i dont seen any reason for him to be needed on a track... unless he was a guest artist....
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U can be touched OG is clearly Tha Realest.
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U can be touched OG is clearly Tha Realest.
i doubt this
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u can be touched is definitely not the realest... dont believe the lies...
i doubt this
me too! lol.. never heard of such a thing until today... all someone has to do is listen to the og to know that its pac lol..
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Hey J-Mix, please play Darryl "Only Move 4 Money", and ask him his opinion on the lines "Three words to make a motherfucker's heart burst".
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u can be touched is definitely not the realest... dont believe the lies...
i doubt this
me too! lol.. never heard of such a thing until today... all someone has to do is listen to the og to know that its pac lol..
you think? ask tha realest. here is a bit of his response via Yossy:
I checked up with tha Realest, he didn't give a clear answer. What he said was something along the lines of: This is the song that was suppose to stay unreleased. I was on the track and so was pac, this is the track i made together with pac, homie. We were just trying things out with the instrumental and vocals because the verse was intended to be for the homie Napoleon.
That is what Yossy said. Is it true? I dont know. But I am reaching out to Tha realest for confirmation.
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Hey J-Mix, please play Darryl "Only Move 4 Money", and ask him his opinion on the lines "Three words to make a motherfucker's heart burst".
wow, really now? lol that's clearly Pac. all eyez on me era.
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u can be touched is definitely not the realest... dont believe the lies...
i doubt this
me too! lol.. never heard of such a thing until today... all someone has to do is listen to the og to know that its pac lol..
you think? ask tha realest. here is a bit of his response via Yossy:
I checked up with tha Realest, he didn't give a clear answer. What he said was something along the lines of: This is the song that was suppose to stay unreleased. I was on the track and so was pac, this is the track i made together with pac, homie. We were just trying things out with the instrumental and vocals because the verse was intended to be for the homie Napoleon.
That is what Yossy said. Is it true? I dont know. But I am reaching out to Tha realest for confirmation.
your being lied to! or maybe there is a version with him doing the vocals instead... but the 2 versions that are leaked with the pac verse is definitely pac...
there is nothing that says that the realest wasnt doing pac vocals... but just think... why would he? why would they get him on a pac track to do pointless adlibs when they could just have him spit his own verse as a guest artist and really promote him.. promote their future......
i can see him doing clean versions for life goes on and troublesome.. that would make sense for radio... i believe they had him prolly re-record the entire tracks and then just use whatever vocals of his were needed..... but anything else i couldnt see happening and couldnt see amaru letting them do that...
now if he was in death row studios doing some weird azz shit to pac tracks then maybe thats the case.. lol.. but nothing has been leaked yet besides the life goes on radio version..
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yeah the rumors of the Realest taking Pac verses, re recording them and then deleting the Pac DAT have been around for a decade or so now
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agree with most of what you said until the last part... there is no evidence that there has ever been any realest vocals on any retail pac song besides his adlibs from life goes on and that unreleased troublesome mix of him doing the same thing that could exist in full..... and i dont think amaru would have let that slide at the time...
Darryl Harper already said he knew for a fact that it had been done, and he could recognize it when he listens to them side-by-side, meaning the original versions (whether they're the ones that he has or the ones that leaked to the public, which likely don't have Realest on them since the majority of them hit the scene in 1997 before Realest was even recording as Realest and rapping with that style) to the remixed retail releases.
The FIRST time it was suggested that Realest may have been adding vocals was on some older website (I think it was freetupac.com or something like that, whichever one was affiliated with hitemup.com/streethop.com), and Ballad of a Dead Souljah was the first song named. I'm not saying that it's proof, but it's not a new theory, and yeah, there are some adlibs toward the end of the song that do kind of sound like Realest.
Amaru wouldn't KNOWINGLY let it slide, but it's not as if it couldn't have been slipped in under their noses, since they probably just get the finished product and either approve it or send it back, and it's not like Pac's mom is listening to each millisecond of audio, listening for imperfections (or impersonators). This is why you have some songs that had Death Row references taken out, coincidentally all remixed by Johnny J (as I doubt Amaru would go out of their way to remove those references only for certain songs, which is what Johnny J claimed but likely wasn't true), while other songs on the same project kept the Death Row references intact (i.e. All Out, Until the End of Time). So obviously you didn't have Amaru heads going through the songs and going, "Wait a minute, what words did they take out from that song?"
if the realest was recording over pac tracks, then they havent leaked yet... but besides him doing clean edits for some pac songs i dont seen any reason for him to be needed on a track... unless he was a guest artist....
Unfortunately I believe that this did happen. Look at the lyrics for They Wanna Be Like Us... it sounds too much like Pac that it's ridiculous. Even the content was pretty much about Pac's own life like he wrote it.
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agree with most of what you said until the last part... there is no evidence that there has ever been any realest vocals on any retail pac song besides his adlibs from life goes on and that unreleased troublesome mix of him doing the same thing that could exist in full..... and i dont think amaru would have let that slide at the time...
Darryl Harper already said he knew for a fact that it had been done, and he could recognize it when he listens to them side-by-side, meaning the original versions (whether they're the ones that he has or the ones that leaked to the public, which likely don't have Realest on them since the majority of them hit the scene in 1997 before Realest was even recording as Realest and rapping with that style) to the remixed retail releases.
The FIRST time it was suggested that Realest may have been adding vocals was on some older website (I think it was freetupac.com or something like that, whichever one was affiliated with hitemup.com/streethop.com), and Ballad of a Dead Souljah was the first song named. I'm not saying that it's proof, but it's not a new theory, and yeah, there are some adlibs toward the end of the song that do kind of sound like Realest.
Amaru wouldn't KNOWINGLY let it slide, but it's not as if it couldn't have been slipped in under their noses, since they probably just get the finished product and either approve it or send it back, and it's not like Pac's mom is listening to each millisecond of audio, listening for imperfections (or impersonators). This is why you have some songs that had Death Row references taken out, coincidentally all remixed by Johnny J (as I doubt Amaru would go out of their way to remove those references only for certain songs, which is what Johnny J claimed but likely wasn't true), while other songs on the same project kept the Death Row references intact (i.e. All Out, Until the End of Time). So obviously you didn't have Amaru heads going through the songs and going, "Wait a minute, what words did they take out from that song?"
if the realest was recording over pac tracks, then they havent leaked yet... but besides him doing clean edits for some pac songs i dont seen any reason for him to be needed on a track... unless he was a guest artist....
Unfortunately I believe that this did happen. Look at the lyrics for They Wanna Be Like Us... it sounds too much like Pac that it's ridiculous. Even the content was pretty much about Pac's own life like he wrote it.
Homie listen to the lyrics on "U Can Count on Me," "Slow Down," "We're Untouchable," "Incase I Don't Wake Up"....Tha Realest's early songs on Death Row are so imitative of Pac's content and concepts, it's incredible.
I'm a fan of Tha Realest and I think his music is dope, but the early work on Death Row really is amazingly derivative. All the songs listed above plainly reflect Suge's command: write some songs that sound like Pac songs. That being said, I think they're all really dope regardless of how imitative they are.
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U can be touched OG is clearly Tha Realest.
Could you post a link to the particular version you're referring to?
I just listened to the OG that I have, and I never once thought it was Tha Realest, but I can see how it might be him. The voice is a little deeper than normal - when the chorus comes on, the difference in the voice is noticeable.
This would at least explain why there is no Pac verse on the Still I Rise version...it never made sense to me why they'd withhold a perfectly good Pac verse and replace it with a Napolean verse. That's like throwing money down the toilet.
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Tha Realest is not on U Can Be Touched... end of story
He did the radio versions of Life Goes On and Troublesome '96 that's it.
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Tha Realest is not on U Can Be Touched... end of story
He did the radio versions of Life Goes On and Troublesome '96 that's it.
you forgot the intro to unconditional love video 8)
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Tha Realest is not on U Can Be Touched... end of story
He did the radio versions of Life Goes On and Troublesome '96 that's it.
you forgot the intro to unconditional love video 8)
U mean the troublesome homie part? That is part of the Troublesome '96 clean version he did
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Time for a Realest interview Jmix.
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Hey J-Mix, please play Darryl "Only Move 4 Money", and ask him his opinion on the lines "Three words to make a motherfucker's heart burst".
wow, really now? lol that's clearly Pac. all eyez on me era.
No, its not. Lol.
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its not the realest on u can be touched because the realest is not capable of writing those lyrics.
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Does anybody have a list of songs that Darryl Harper produced for Tupac? I'd imagine that he did around 20 tracks for Pac, maybe more, maybe less. The list might be shorter, but it's clear that Big D produced some of Tupac's best songs on DR (like As the World Turns).
As The World Turns (OG & Remix)
Bomb First
Brothaz In Armz
High Speed (OG & Remix)
Krazy
Life Of An Outlaw
Me And My Girlfriend (Co-Producer)
Military Minds
My Own Style
Set It Off (Co-Producer)
The Good Die Young (OG & Remix)
White Man'z World
World Wide Stampede (Co-Producer)
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its not the realest on u can be touched because the realest is not capable of writing those lyrics.
hahaha lol..
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its not the realest on u can be touched because the realest is not capable of writing those lyrics.
Actually, I don't think anyone believes that Tha Realest wrote the lyrics to the verse. The story goes that PAC wrote that verse for Napolean. If it is Tha Realest on U Can Be Touched, then it is him rapping lyrics that Pac wrote down for Napolean to use.
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da realist is lowkey da shit holmes i no he has fake 2pac but its west coast foo
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this is by far the best interview yet
good luck trying to find out the truth
when was u can be touched og recorded
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welcome back aerocl
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welcome back aerocl
you been waiting for my reply to this haven't you lol
so what is your opinion on this topic since all you do is talk about tha realest
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dis puto stoled my name
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who did aerrock?
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dis puto stoled my name
im sure your last name isn't correa
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He put other peoples vocals onto his own records. Not him personally, but others who refused to work with him
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Like who
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2 that come to mind were Danny Boy, Michel'le. Danny Boy's vocals for Stand Strong were taken from another song, and that's from him personally. He didn't like Tha Realest. Others who wouldn't work with him but who never had tracks with him were Treach, K-Ci and a couple of the Outlawz. EDI was the only one to give him the time of day, and of course the new breed
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Rick Clifford says treach requested that he act as tupac on the end of that song on chronic 2k
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Rick Clifford says treach requested that he act as tupac on the end of that song on chronic 2k
Oh the "West Side, East Side, West Side in this mothafucka right here" part?
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Rick Clifford says treach requested that he act as tupac on the end of that song on chronic 2k
Fat Joe and the Terror Squad requested that Tha Realest act like Tupac on the outro of one of their songs. It's a dope song, ending with Releast saying alot of Pac-esque shit.
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agree with most of what you said until the last part... there is no evidence that there has ever been any realest vocals on any retail pac song besides his adlibs from life goes on and that unreleased troublesome mix of him doing the same thing that could exist in full..... and i dont think amaru would have let that slide at the time...
Darryl Harper already said he knew for a fact that it had been done, and he could recognize it when he listens to them side-by-side, meaning the original versions (whether they're the ones that he has or the ones that leaked to the public, which likely don't have Realest on them since the majority of them hit the scene in 1997 before Realest was even recording as Realest and rapping with that style) to the remixed retail releases.
The FIRST time it was suggested that Realest may have been adding vocals was on some older website (I think it was freetupac.com or something like that, whichever one was affiliated with hitemup.com/streethop.com), and Ballad of a Dead Souljah was the first song named. I'm not saying that it's proof, but it's not a new theory, and yeah, there are some adlibs toward the end of the song that do kind of sound like Realest.
Amaru wouldn't KNOWINGLY let it slide, but it's not as if it couldn't have been slipped in under their noses, since they probably just get the finished product and either approve it or send it back, and it's not like Pac's mom is listening to each millisecond of audio, listening for imperfections (or impersonators). This is why you have some songs that had Death Row references taken out, coincidentally all remixed by Johnny J (as I doubt Amaru would go out of their way to remove those references only for certain songs, which is what Johnny J claimed but likely wasn't true), while other songs on the same project kept the Death Row references intact (i.e. All Out, Until the End of Time). So obviously you didn't have Amaru heads going through the songs and going, "Wait a minute, what words did they take out from that song?"
if the realest was recording over pac tracks, then they havent leaked yet... but besides him doing clean edits for some pac songs i dont seen any reason for him to be needed on a track... unless he was a guest artist....
Unfortunately I believe that this did happen. Look at the lyrics for They Wanna Be Like Us... it sounds too much like Pac that it's ridiculous. Even the content was pretty much about Pac's own life like he wrote it.
this post is noteworthy. You pretty much summed up my thoughts with this. Kudos.. maybe i didnt read it but whats your take on you can be touched?
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maybe i didnt read it but whats your take on you can be touched?
That stuff never crossed my mind. I've always thought it was Pac, and after listening to it again, I still do think it's Pac on the U Can Be Touched OG. I kind of get why you'd think it might be Realest, but even he isn't THAT good at mimicking Pac's voice. On his own tracks, you can hear the similarities, but you'll never mistake the two. And on the Pac tracks he was known to have done some vocals for -- particularly the radio edit of Life Goes On and the "Troublesome, homie" intro line to the Unconditional Love video -- it's totally obvious that it's the Realest to the point where no Pac fan ever really wondered if it was Pac when they first heard it.
Hypothetically speaking, if it really is the Realest on U Can Be Touched OG, then his adlib work from those songs I just mentioned would've been far superior to what ended up being recorded. Or they could've had Realest re-record the entire chorus rather than for them to just slip in a couple words here and there (i.e. "homie" instead of "nigga"), or at least take the original Pac vocal layer but without the cuss words and with the volume lowered so it's like a second vocal layer and have the Realest re-record the original chorus and have that be the main vocal layer and put them together to make it hopefully sound more organic and natural. But no, he's not THAT good.
Obviously the U Can Be Touched OG, whether it's Pac or the Realest or Kasinova or Dave Chappelle, does lack Pac's usual energy. But the more I thought about it over the past ten minutes or so, it's like the energy of a Pac song straight off of the retail album being far more intense than that of its radio/video counterpart with alternate lyrics... i.e. 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted, I Ain't Mad at Cha, Hit 'Em Up and To Live & Die in L.A. Even compare Ambitionz az a Ridah to Ambitionz az a Fighta. My girlfriend doesn't really listen to hip-hop (though oddly she enjoys battle rap and has gone with me to an event in LA a few years ago), but her best friend is really into it. We were driving around, and her best friend randomly started singing the intro to Ambitionz az a Ridah (even though nothing was even playing in my car since we were talking about lunch plans), then I played her Ambitionz az a Fighta since it was on my iPhone, and she laughed at it and didn't think was Pac, perhaps for similar reasons to why you might think it's the Realest on U Can Be Touched OG.
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Whoever thinks Tha Realest is rapping on "U Can Be Touched OG" is either completely deaf or needs to visit ear doctor immediately.
First of all, Tha Realest DID tried to sound like 2Pac on Death Row, but the tone of his voice was very different from 'Pac - even back then when he tried his best to do it. They way he pronounces words plus his natural Texas accent makes it hard for him to mimick Tupac. For God's sake, just listen to songs he recorded on Death Row like "Easy To Be A Soldier When There Ain't No War" - He TRIES to sound like 'Pac the way he raps etc. but his VOICE don't sound NOTHING like 'Pacs voice!
Second of all - don't think your going to get a direct response from Tha Realest on this topic, even if you'll manage to get an interview with him. When it comes to 'Pac - he never gives you a clear-cut answer, weather it is about their supposed meeting in 1996 or him finishing up unfinished 'Pac tracks. Here's what Tha Realest himself had to said about that on-going rumor years ago:
"I never finished his music. It was discussed but it never happened. It sounds good, but I never finished up none of his stuff" - Tha Realest (XXL Magazine, August 2005)
So you see, even tho he DID record clean versions of tracks like "Life Goes On" and "Troublesome 99" (that's how it was advertised back in the day), he still stated otherwise for whatever reason.
But point blank is - if he re-recorded 'Pac tracks as "2Pac", they are still laying around in the Death Row vault (other than "Chronic 2000" song with Treach and VK, where it's clearly Realest rapping as 'Pac at the end). My biggest suspect in this topic is that "They Wanna Be Like Us" track, cause his verse is written clearly from 'Pacs perspective. But again - he did that on certain occasions:
"Now you actin' like and a nigga you and Snoop are tight
You wasn't there when he was fightin' for his life
That shit ain't right, it was me, best believe
When I see your ass I'm takin' flight" - Fuck Dre
"U Can Be Touched OG" is strictly 'Pac tho, even if he didn't rapped his verse to the best to his ability. We don't know about the origins of this track and this studio session. Maybe he was tired, maybe he was exhausted from his previous work done that day/night - 'Pac was a workaholic, but don't forget he was also human and even him could had a worst time in the studio...
Why they didn't use his verse in the retail version? Maybe the DAT tape was destored and Pac's acapella could not be used for a different beat? Who knows... it's Amaru. Just because they cut his verse from a track dosen't mean it wasen't him people. Remember how they sliced "Ghetto Gospel"? Or how they did "Runnin" cutting one verse and paste the other one? Plus, don't forget what they did on that whole "Loyal 2 The Game" album making 'Pac say "G-Unit in the house" and all that other bullshit... As far as I'm concerned - this ain't no proof for nothing when Amaru is involved.
It ain't Tha Realest on "U Can Be Touched OG" - that's a FACT and until you won't bring me acapella's of every adlibs from this track for me to listen to and prove otherwise, this conspiracy theory ends right here.
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Some very interesting observations in the last few posts in this thread.
Here's my latest take on the matter:
1. Very few released Tupac songs have vocals from Tha Realest on them. It might be the case that the clean edits are the only Pac tracks with his voice on them.
2. Darryl Harper is simply confused, mixing up what he saw with what actually was released. Probably, he saw Tha Realest record some verses "as Tupac" and heard the conversations about releasing these tracks. This was probably so disgusting to Big D that the memory stuck with him and he was eager to get it off his chest and tell Jmix.
3. Perhaps "They Wanna Be Like Us" and "Fuck Dre" reflect aborted efforts for Tha Realest to record songs "as Tupac." Maybe these two songs are what Darryl Harper is remembering. There might have been a plan to release these as Tupac songs, but the difference between Tupac's and Tha Realest's voices is too obvious, so the people at DR simply decided to release these as Realest tracks.
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Hey J-Mix, ask Kurt Kobane this same question. He can name songs Realest re-recorded of 2Pac's. ;)
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Hey J-Mix, ask Kurt Kobane this same question. He can name songs Realest re-recorded of 2Pac's. ;)
already on that, homie.
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I never saw "Fuck Dre" as an attempt for Realest to impersonate Pac. I think that line about "it was me" is being misread. What he's saying is if you did me like you did Snoop, I would whoop your ass for it.
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I never saw "Fuck Dre" as an attempt for Realest to impersonate Pac. I think that line about "it was me" is being misread. What he's saying is if you did me like you did Snoop, I would whoop your ass for it.
yea, I think he mighta even said "if it was me"
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JMix, you always come correct with your interviews.
Have you ever thought about doing a book or something on Death Row? With all the great information that you have in these interviews, you could probably pen a really compelling book.
yes i have. the "off the record" but still on tape shit is crazy. wanna ghost write it? lol
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btw does this not sound like PAC? For MF Real.. it has pac adlibs.. wow look how close it sounds.. is this MARRIED TO THE MOB OG? Lmao!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onwCsosTKaQ
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btw does this not sound like PAC? For MF Real.. it has pac adlibs.. wow look how close it sounds.. is this MARRIED TO THE MOB OG? Lmao!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onwCsosTKaQ
Similar flow, similar content, similar wordplay BUT different accent and different voice so NO - THIS IS NOT TUPAC FOR FUCK SAKE. Just listen to how he overraps words like "currency" - he overdone it and tried to hard to sound like him, that's why it's so easy to tell it's NOT 'PAC!
Enough with those conspiracy theories.
maybe i didnt read it but whats your take on you can be touched?
That stuff never crossed my mind. I've always thought it was Pac, and after listening to it again, I still do think it's Pac on the U Can Be Touched OG. I kind of get why you'd think it might be Realest, but even he isn't THAT good at mimicking Pac's voice. On his own tracks, you can hear the similarities, but you'll never mistake the two. And on the Pac tracks he was known to have done some vocals for -- particularly the radio edit of Life Goes On and the "Troublesome, homie" intro line to the Unconditional Love video -- it's totally obvious that it's the Realest to the point where no Pac fan ever really wondered if it was Pac when they first heard it.
Hypothetically speaking, if it really is the Realest on U Can Be Touched OG, then his adlib work from those songs I just mentioned would've been far superior to what ended up being recorded. Or they could've had Realest re-record the entire chorus rather than for them to just slip in a couple words here and there (i.e. "homie" instead of "nigga"), or at least take the original Pac vocal layer but without the cuss words and with the volume lowered so it's like a second vocal layer and have the Realest re-record the original chorus and have that be the main vocal layer and put them together to make it hopefully sound more organic and natural. But no, he's not THAT good.
PRE-FUCKING-CISE!
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btw does this not sound like PAC? For MF Real.. it has pac adlibs.. wow look how close it sounds.. is this MARRIED TO THE MOB OG? Lmao!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onwCsosTKaQ
Similar flow, similar content, similar wordplay BUT different accent and different voice so NO - THIS IS NOT TUPAC FOR FUCK SAKE. Just listen to how he overraps words like "currency" - he overdone it and tried to hard to sound like him, that's why it's so easy to tell it's NOT 'PAC!
Enough with those conspiracy theories.
maybe i didnt read it but whats your take on you can be touched?
That stuff never crossed my mind. I've always thought it was Pac, and after listening to it again, I still do think it's Pac on the U Can Be Touched OG. I kind of get why you'd think it might be Realest, but even he isn't THAT good at mimicking Pac's voice. On his own tracks, you can hear the similarities, but you'll never mistake the two. And on the Pac tracks he was known to have done some vocals for -- particularly the radio edit of Life Goes On and the "Troublesome, homie" intro line to the Unconditional Love video -- it's totally obvious that it's the Realest to the point where no Pac fan ever really wondered if it was Pac when they first heard it.
Hypothetically speaking, if it really is the Realest on U Can Be Touched OG, then his adlib work from those songs I just mentioned would've been far superior to what ended up being recorded. Or they could've had Realest re-record the entire chorus rather than for them to just slip in a couple words here and there (i.e. "homie" instead of "nigga"), or at least take the original Pac vocal layer but without the cuss words and with the volume lowered so it's like a second vocal layer and have the Realest re-record the original chorus and have that be the main vocal layer and put them together to make it hopefully sound more organic and natural. But no, he's not THAT good.
PRE-FUCKING-CISE!
I DONT THINK ANY1 SAID THAT WAS PAC, CALM DOWN
KLIENTEL DOES A BETTER PAC THAN THE REALEST
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btw does this not sound like PAC? For MF Real.. it has pac adlibs.. wow look how close it sounds.. is this MARRIED TO THE MOB OG? Lmao!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onwCsosTKaQ
Similar flow, similar content, similar wordplay BUT different accent and different voice so NO - THIS IS NOT TUPAC FOR FUCK SAKE. Just listen to how he overraps words like "currency" - he overdone it and tried to hard to sound like him, that's why it's so easy to tell it's NOT 'PAC!
Enough with those conspiracy theories.
i didnt say it was TUPAC. But You are deaf if you dont hear ACTUAL 2pac ADLIBS on This Track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onwCsosTKaQ yes that IS THE REALEST rapping, but those are 2pac adlibs.. no conspiracy theory here.. maybe you should clean your ears?
And its not a damn conspiracy theory when you have both a producer for 2pac and Tha realest saying.. "psst guess what? that aint all 2pac on those releases"
That takes it out of theory and makes its a MF fact. Unless you have a statement by d harp or tha realest to counter..or anyone for that matter.. you seem to troll every thing i put out... with your opinions. i bring statements.
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this must be all true cause @enigma has not denied it ;)
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correa aerrock halloooo were have u been
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correa aerrock halloooo were have u been
or this clown 8)
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btw does this not sound like PAC? For MF Real.. it has pac adlibs.. wow look how close it sounds.. is this MARRIED TO THE MOB OG? Lmao!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onwCsosTKaQ
Similar flow, similar content, similar wordplay BUT different accent and different voice so NO - THIS IS NOT TUPAC FOR FUCK SAKE. Just listen to how he overraps words like "currency" - he overdone it and tried to hard to sound like him, that's why it's so easy to tell it's NOT 'PAC!
Enough with those conspiracy theories.
i didnt say it was TUPAC. But You are deaf if you dont hear ACTUAL 2pac ADLIBS on This Track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onwCsosTKaQ yes that IS THE REALEST rapping, but those are 2pac adlibs.. no conspiracy theory here.. maybe you should clean your ears?
And its not a damn conspiracy theory when you have both a producer for 2pac and Tha realest saying.. "psst guess what? that aint all 2pac on those releases"
That takes it out of theory and makes its a MF fact. Unless you have a statement by d harp or tha realest to counter..or anyone for that matter.. you seem to troll every thing i put out... with your opinions. i bring statements.
Yo Jmix, could you identify which adlibs on this track you think are from 2pac rather than Tha Realest? I'm not doubting their presence, just unable to distinguish the two voices on something like adlibs. Would be interested to hear any more 2pac vocals, even if they're adlibs on someone else's track.
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I'm quite sure they used Tha Realest to do the voiceovers at Coachella. Listen to the difference in vocal tone when he's doing the intro to 2 Of Amerikas Most Wanted, day and night difference and the southern twang is there too under all the processing. They didn't do the cut and paste edit like they claimed as it sounds terrible when you do it.
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I'm quite sure they used Tha Realest to do the voiceovers at Coachella. Listen to the difference in vocal tone when he's doing the intro to 2 Of Amerikas Most Wanted, day and night difference and the southern twang is there too under all the processing. They didn't do the cut and paste edit like they claimed as it sounds terrible when you do it.
good point ive never heard that one before who knows u might be right
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Come on man.. I mean I appreciate Darryl for his work and good interviews, but how are you going to make an accusation like that and then not even explicitly state even ONE SONG that has Realest vocals?
JMix asked him to name just one song and HE COULDN'T NAME EVEN ONE SONG!! He made it sound as if it was going on all the time but when JMix asked him he was totally at a loss for words.
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Come on man.. I mean I appreciate Darryl for his work and good interviews, but how are you going to make an accusation like that and then not even explicitly state even ONE SONG that has Realest vocals?
JMix asked him to name just one song and HE COULDN'T NAME EVEN ONE SONG!! He made it sound as if it was going on all the time but when JMix asked him he was totally at a loss for words.
I can name one, Only Move For The Money b.k.a. Mothafuckaz Not Knowin'. The first sentence of that song is Tha Realest.