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Title: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: MOBNigga06 on October 26, 2014, 10:06:50 PM
This is a slept on period from Kurupt's career. He was going in on the tracks he recorded when he signed to Death Row for the second time, and the production quality is consistently good. The songs also have a coherent sound to them - they belong to the era when Tha Row still had lots of money, and was spending some of it well, and wasting lots of it on stuff that would never see the light of day. But the money invested in Against Tha Grain was money well spent.

Just bumped "Riot in the Club" - it's so obvious this is an ATG leftover when you compare the style of the song to the style of the others on Streetlights. The difference? The loss of a coherent style for Kurupt. He had good intensity and energy when he recorded ATG, but now his style is completely incoherent and random. Sometimes he still turns out a banger, though.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: GangstaBoogy on October 26, 2014, 10:42:41 PM
Most slept on? Dude Kurupt is probably my all-time favorite rapper and that era was a big face-palm for me. I cringed just listening to him struggle to comprise 16 bars. Sure there was a handful of decent tracks but not very many. It was certainly an exciting / interesting time period, I just wish we had twitter and instagram and shit like that back then.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: HighEyeCue on October 26, 2014, 11:36:59 PM
I think it was underrated as well...one of my favorite Kurupt tracks "I Didn't Change" was recorded during this era...another dope cut was "Microphone Fiend" with Kokane...the problem was his inconsistency on the mic which first started in the late 90's had grown even more...he still is my favorite all time artist though
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Fresh Bone on October 27, 2014, 10:31:42 AM
You have to respect Kurupt's decision to go back to Death Row (2nd Dynasty and everything), but when Snoop and Daz dissed Suge when they left, after saying Death Row 4 Life in their songs (and Suge was in prison, after Dre left, 'Pac died, etc)? Ultimately, its one of two things, either Suge treated them right (fuck all the bullshit that came out since Oct '96) and Snoop and Tha Pound bitched out for a lot of reasons that people don't want to mention, or Suge punked them fair and square when they were on top, and they couldn't do nothing about it.

Which one is it?
 
Besides, on a simplified perspective, what have Snoop or Tha Dogg Pound done that was worth listening to WITHOUT their previous Death Row background...I'll wait.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: bigpimpin20 on November 11, 2014, 05:49:31 AM
kurupt mentioned that he had Quik production on ATG. wonder did they recorded anything
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/141ms9d.jpg)
gail gotti, roscoe, kurupt, dj quik 2002
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Fresh Bone on November 11, 2014, 06:04:54 AM
kurupt mentioned that he had Quik production on ATG. wonder did they recorded anything
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/141ms9d.jpg)
gail gotti, roscoe, kurupt, dj quik 2002

Most likely the session was "Get Flipped" for Roscoe's - Young Roscoe Philaphornia. Would be great to hear Kurupt + DJ Quik from around that time as "Can't Go Wrong" is a classic.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Remedy360 on November 12, 2014, 11:24:52 PM
I liked ATG more than a lot of people, but the guy was just in a rut. Still had plenty of passion and energy but a lot of his skills went down the drain.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Okka on November 12, 2014, 11:34:42 PM
"Against Tha Grain" had some great songs on it, the EP was better though.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: smp4life on November 13, 2014, 01:19:24 PM
Like a lot of rappers, Kurupt brings heat when he's angry. ATG had that angry energy. I liked it.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: donfathaimmortal on November 13, 2014, 02:48:23 PM
Still one my fav Kurupt album #underated 

(http://i57.tinypic.com/icp7ki.png)

01. Speak On It
(additonal vocals : Mark Sparks, Val C)
(produced by : Mark Sparks)

02. Anarchy '87
(produced by : Mark Sparks)
03. Throw Back Muzic '86
(additonal vocals : Mark Sparks)
(produced by : Mark Sparks)

04. Deep Dishes
(produced by : Ric Rude)
05. Stalkin
(produced by : Sir Jinx)
06. Can U Feel It
(additonal vocals : Potion)
(produced by : Doug Mayhem)

07. Slide N Slide Out
(featuring Bigg Tri, Eastwood & Tone)
(produced by : Blaqthoven)

08. Against Tha Grain
(featuring Eastwood, Bigg Tri & Tone)
(produced by : Mark Sparks)

09. Jealousy
(featuring Roscoe & M.O.P)
(produced by : Mark Sparks)

10. Tha Past
(featuring Dave Holister)
(produced by : Doug Mayhem)

11. My Homeboys
(featuring Eastwood & 2Pac)
(produced by : Mark Sparks)

12. Bullshit & Nonsense
(featuring Spider & Eastwood)
(produced by : Ambassador Cash)

13. No Vaseline Part.2
(produced by : Sir Jinx)
14. Hustlin
(featuring Bigg Tri & Tone)
(add vocs : Jah Mickey)
(produced by : Sir Jinx)

15. It's A Wrap
(additonal vocals : Potion)
(produced by : Mark Sparks)

16. One Thangs Fo Sho
(produced by : unknown)
17. One Thangs Fo Sho (Reprise)
(featuring Danny Boy)
(additonal vocals : Ms. Supa Bean)
(produced by : unknown)


--->og tracklist (https://www.sendspace.com/file/bj10x1")
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: MOBNigga06 on November 13, 2014, 04:36:22 PM
kurupt mentioned that he had Quik production on ATG. wonder did they recorded anything
(http://oi59.tinypic.com/141ms9d.jpg)
gail gotti, roscoe, kurupt, dj quik 2002

Very interesting information! And thanks for that picture, never seen it before.

Some songs from the ATG era sound like Quik could have touched them. Can U Feel It has a DJ Quik vibe to it. Also, I noticed that "One Thang's Fo Sho" has no producer listed - perhaps Quik did that beat? That track is a banger.

But there's probably lots more in the vaults. Kurupt was on fire in the ATG era. I always dug that song "The Life I Live," which is to me one of the best ATG scraps.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on November 13, 2014, 06:58:35 PM
Most slept on? Dude Kurupt is probably my all-time favorite rapper and that era was a big face-palm for me. I cringed just listening to him struggle to comprise 16 bars. Sure there was a handful of decent tracks but not very many. It was certainly an exciting / interesting time period, I just wish we had twitter and instagram and shit like that back then.

Agreed.

...But this "I Didn't Change" track is a surprisingly good song from that era that I never heard before. 
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Blood$ on November 13, 2014, 10:51:56 PM
ATG would have went so much harder if those tracks from the unreleased EP were there to replace some of the weaker songs
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on November 14, 2014, 12:04:01 AM
Most slept on? Dude Kurupt is probably my all-time favorite rapper and that era was a big face-palm for me. I cringed just listening to him struggle to comprise 16 bars. Sure there was a handful of decent tracks but not very many. It was certainly an exciting / interesting time period, I just wish we had twitter and instagram and shit like that back then.

Agreed.

...But this "I Didn't Change" track is a surprisingly good song from that era that I never heard before. 

Crazy you didn't hear before. Amazing track

In most of my posts about Daz and Kurupt I am alluding to their Death Row days.  Daz R.A.W. album had some bangers but was sloppy overall.  Then most of his other independent releases I didn't even bother checking out.

As for Kurupt, even though I was disappointed in KURUPTION I still bumped the hell out of that album when it was released, same with Streetz is a Mutha and Space Boogie.  But after Space Boogie Kurupt went from being a shadow of his former Death Row self, to being virtually un-listenable.

...not to take anything away from their legendary status though.  They are probably my #2 favorite group of all time after Bone, but in terms of influence they are #1 as far me actually looking up to those dudes when I was growing up.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on November 14, 2014, 01:40:16 AM
They got some creative peaks post death row. Kuruption sessions (before the split with Foxy Brown). Everything they did with Mike Dean. Kurupts work with Fredwreck, DIllinger and Young Gotti 2 (when the pound reunited after the split). Daz's work with LT Hutton etc etc


You do have some dope stuff after Death Row.  But the only "peak" in their career was at Death Row.  Anything after that was second rate.  I mean, it's hard to beat perfection.  And Daz and Kurupt never released one wack verse or one weak track over at Death Row, they were on fire.

As for Kurupt...

Kurupt was better after his split with Foxy Brown.  Streetz Is A Mutha > Kuruption.   You could even blame Foxy for Kuruption flopping (although Kuruption had some decent cuts, the ones with Daz, Dre, Warren G, and even a few joints on the East Coast disc like "The Life").  Before Foxy, Kurupt's mantra was "fuck a bitch" and it felt real.  Foxy made him somehow kind of soft and less authentic although one could hardly blame him as Foxy was the baddest bitch in the game at the time.

Kurupt's work with Fred Wreck and Space Boogie was quality material and was probably the victory lap in his career.  He lost his gift and contact with whatever jinn had made him a force in hip-hop, he even said in an interview there was a point he didn't feel like rapping anymore and wanted to retire.  



Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: hrsmn_london on November 15, 2014, 12:51:23 AM
I liked some of his stuff from this period but it was definitely hit and miss.

Against tha Grain when it was finally released had little input from Kurupt. Didn't it even have a track from when he was already back w Daz?

Space Boogie was a poor album also - very hit and miss.

I think Kurupt lost his consistency from Space Boogie but regained it on Streetlights.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Will_B on November 15, 2014, 01:12:07 AM
I liked some of his stuff from this period but it was definitely hit and miss.

Against tha Grain when it was finally released had little input from Kurupt. Didn't it even have a track from when he was already back w Daz?

Space Boogie was a poor album also - very hit and miss.

I think Kurupt lost his consistency from Space Boogie but regained it on Streetlights.

Streetlights is perhaps more consistent but is pretty ignorant and generic in content. Quiks verse on Bounce, Rock, Skate is classic to me though.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: WestSideDon on November 15, 2014, 05:17:31 AM
Streetlights also wasn't consistent....
Like all of kurupt albums its hit or miss from song to song (Only album you could make an exception for would be Tha Streetz....)
But the intro was fuckin dope  8)
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Blood$ on November 15, 2014, 01:09:45 PM
Streetlights > ATG
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Will_B on November 15, 2014, 02:41:30 PM
Streetlights > ATG

Streetlights = ATG


They've both got their strengths and weaknesses
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Sccit on November 15, 2014, 09:47:09 PM
streetz iz a mutha was kurupts solo peak.....kuruption had a lotta filler, but woulda been a near classic had it been narrowed down to one disc
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: HighEyeCue on November 15, 2014, 10:02:41 PM
streetz iz a mutha was kurupts solo peak.....kuruption had a lotta filler, but woulda been a near classic had it been narrowed down to one disc

"Kuruption" was probably the greatest mix of dope tracks and forgettable ones on one album :-\

also ATG retail > ATG
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Sccit on November 15, 2014, 10:05:53 PM
thats why i said, woulda been much better if it was narrowed down to one album


and theres 2 versions of against the grain:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-G2pYszUTSNc/TnL8veMIY7I/AAAAAAAAO3c/8TGxTeVSZ_o/s1600/kuruptagainstthegraindpcf3.jpg)

^the one peeps forget about
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: HighEyeCue on November 15, 2014, 10:10:47 PM
yeah thats the retail 8)

came out a few years before in '03
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: LAC/EASTSIDE on November 15, 2014, 10:44:42 PM
To this day, I still have no idea why Kurupt and Dre never did an album together. I think this is what Kurupt needed. He needed some structure. Kurupt needed someone to tell him "say it like this", "write it like this", "change your delivery like this" etc etc. A Kurupt album, produced by Dre would have been classic.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Sccit on November 15, 2014, 10:48:22 PM
yeah thats the retail 8)

came out a few years before in '03


they both retail
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Sccit on November 15, 2014, 10:48:37 PM
To this day, I still have no idea why Kurupt and Dre never did an album together. I think this is what Kurupt needed. He needed some structure. Kurupt needed someone to tell him "say it like this", "write it like this", "change your delivery like this" etc etc. A Kurupt album, produced by Dre would have been classic.


real spit
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Okka on November 16, 2014, 09:33:00 AM
yeah thats the retail 8)

came out a few years before in '03


they both retail

Was the DPG Recordz version actually sold in the stores or did it just leak online?
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Sccit on November 16, 2014, 10:45:33 AM
says trigged men records and dogg pound recordz on the back
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: WestWestYA on November 16, 2014, 11:21:04 AM
To this day, I still have no idea why Kurupt and Dre never did an album together. I think this is what Kurupt needed. He needed some structure. Kurupt needed someone to tell him "say it like this", "write it like this", "change your delivery like this" etc etc. A Kurupt album, produced by Dre would have been classic.
Because dre the cunt only puts out rappers that will make him lots of money, or sellout rappers controlled by him and jimmy's bald head.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Okka on November 17, 2014, 03:13:49 PM
I didn't remember that the DPG Recordz version of "Against Tha Grain" had so many songs from other albums.

http://www.discogs.com/Kurupt-Against-The-Grain/release/4461370
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Black Excellence on November 17, 2014, 03:26:48 PM
I remember kurupt was supposed to do an album that was gonna be on the level of dogg food just before he went back to death row.....
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on November 17, 2014, 06:01:08 PM
To this day, I still have no idea why Kurupt and Dre never did an album together. I think this is what Kurupt needed. He needed some structure. Kurupt needed someone to tell him "say it like this", "write it like this", "change your delivery like this" etc etc. A Kurupt album, produced by Dre would have been classic.

Well.. if your looking for that then just listen to the Dogg Food album.  Dre was around for that album, I think he mixed damn near every track, so we know it was up to Dre's standard of approval. 

Because I totally agree.  Kurupt is far from a perfectionist.  He was even on Rap City back in the 90's saying that he would argue with Daz because Daz would keep wanting to go back in and change stuff and Kurupt would be like "man, just drop that shit it's dope".   Kurupt gets sloppy much too easy. 

He got to be the CEO when he made the Kuruption album, and he had the attention of the music world at the time and yet he just rushed out some shit.  It made it look cheap that later he had to go back and add the Warren G track and "Questions" without it being written on the album.  Like someone else said, the album had its highlights but it definitely had its lowlights and with a little bit of tweaking some of the average tracks could've been bangers.

On Streetz Is A Mutha he made a bit of a comeback and came with a more polished album.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: HighEyeCue on November 17, 2014, 06:38:56 PM
To this day, I still have no idea why Kurupt and Dre never did an album together. I think this is what Kurupt needed. He needed some structure. Kurupt needed someone to tell him "say it like this", "write it like this", "change your delivery like this" etc etc. A Kurupt album, produced by Dre would have been classic.

Well.. if your looking for that then just listen to the Dogg Food album.  Dre was around for that album, I think he mixed damn near every track, so we know it was up to Dre's standard of approval. 

Because I totally agree.  Kurupt is far from a perfectionist.  He was even on Rap City back in the 90's saying that he would argue with Daz because Daz would keep wanting to go back in and change stuff and Kurupt would be like "man, just drop that shit it's dope".   Kurupt gets sloppy much too easy. 

He got to be the CEO when he made the Kuruption album, and he had the attention of the music world at the time and yet he just rushed out some shit.  It made it look cheap that later he had to go back and add the Warren G track and "Questions" without it being written on the album.  Like someone else said, the album had its highlights but it definitely had its lowlights and with a little bit of tweaking some of the average tracks could've been bangers.

On Streetz Is A Mutha he made a bit of a comeback and came with a more polished album.

Kurupt got in the habit of freestyling a lot of his verses...and thinking they were dope

even on "Streetz" you could tell that it wasn't the old Kurupt on most tracks...the album is carried by the production and guest spots like Crooked I, Roscoe, Xzibit etc.

he did murder "Trylogy" though 8)
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on November 17, 2014, 07:21:08 PM


Kurupt got in the habit of freestyling a lot of his verses...and thinking they were dope

even on "Streetz" you could tell that it wasn't the old Kurupt on most tracks...the album is carried by the production and guest spots like Crooked I, Roscoe, Xzibit etc.

he did murder "Trylogy" though 8)


That's right, Streetz is a Mutha had better production and guest appearances than Kuruption, because the West Coast was re-emerging and becoming FAM again.... But also Kurupt wasn't pussy-whipped by Foxy Brown and trying to play Mr. CEO anymore so he was coming a bit harder
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: LAC/EASTSIDE on November 17, 2014, 11:10:16 PM
To this day, I still have no idea why Kurupt and Dre never did an album together. I think this is what Kurupt needed. He needed some structure. Kurupt needed someone to tell him "say it like this", "write it like this", "change your delivery like this" etc etc. A Kurupt album, produced by Dre would have been classic.

Well.. if your looking for that then just listen to the Dogg Food album.  Dre was around for that album, I think he mixed damn near every track, so we know it was up to Dre's standard of approval.  

Because I totally agree.  Kurupt is far from a perfectionist.  He was even on Rap City back in the 90's saying that he would argue with Daz because Daz would keep wanting to go back in and change stuff and Kurupt would be like "man, just drop that shit it's dope".   Kurupt gets sloppy much too easy.  

He got to be the CEO when he made the Kuruption album, and he had the attention of the music world at the time and yet he just rushed out some shit.  It made it look cheap that later he had to go back and add the Warren G track and "Questions" without it being written on the album.  Like someone else said, the album had its highlights but it definitely had its lowlights and with a little bit of tweaking some of the average tracks could've been bangers.

On Streetz Is A Mutha he made a bit of a comeback and came with a more polished album.
Dre did mix it but he didn't dedicate his whole time to it. Even though Dogg Food is a classic, you can tell the difference when you hear the Chronic and Doggystyle, compared to DF. There was still time for Dre and Kurupt to get in together though. Kurupt's Solo debut should have been produced entirely by Dre.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Blood$ on November 17, 2014, 11:13:14 PM
To this day, I still have no idea why Kurupt and Dre never did an album together. I think this is what Kurupt needed. He needed some structure. Kurupt needed someone to tell him "say it like this", "write it like this", "change your delivery like this" etc etc. A Kurupt album, produced by Dre would have been classic.


real spit
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: LAC/EASTSIDE on November 17, 2014, 11:15:37 PM
To this day, I still have no idea why Kurupt and Dre never did an album together. I think this is what Kurupt needed. He needed some structure. Kurupt needed someone to tell him "say it like this", "write it like this", "change your delivery like this" etc etc. A Kurupt album, produced by Dre would have been classic.

Well.. if your looking for that then just listen to the Dogg Food album.  Dre was around for that album, I think he mixed damn near every track, so we know it was up to Dre's standard of approval.  

Because I totally agree.  Kurupt is far from a perfectionist.  He was even on Rap City back in the 90's saying that he would argue with Daz because Daz would keep wanting to go back in and change stuff and Kurupt would be like "man, just drop that shit it's dope".   Kurupt gets sloppy much too easy.  

He got to be the CEO when he made the Kuruption album, and he had the attention of the music world at the time and yet he just rushed out some shit.  It made it look cheap that later he had to go back and add the Warren G track and "Questions" without it being written on the album.  Like someone else said, the album had its highlights but it definitely had its lowlights and with a little bit of tweaking some of the average tracks could've been bangers.

On Streetz Is A Mutha he made a bit of a comeback and came with a more polished album.

Kurupt got in the habit of freestyling a lot of his verses...and thinking they were dope

even on "Streetz" you could tell that it wasn't the old Kurupt on most tracks...the album is carried by the production and guest spots like Crooked I, Roscoe, Xzibit etc.

he did murder "Trylogy" though 8)

That album had better structure but still lacked something. Kurupt was still dope but his style had changed. I didn't mind the change of style at all. Afterall, they were entering a different era but that's around the time when shit started to unravel. Kurupt was never able to put out an album that was consistent from top to bottom. He needed someone to guide him; someone to take full control of the production. He needed more content and more balance overall. More quality, not just quantity.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: LAC/EASTSIDE on November 17, 2014, 11:47:43 PM
To be fair you're probably expecting too much for a battle rapper to make an album that's *that* much better than Kuruption and Streetz turned out.
If Dre were to be involved, there would be no such thing as expecting too much.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Sccit on November 18, 2014, 12:59:20 AM
To this day, I still have no idea why Kurupt and Dre never did an album together. I think this is what Kurupt needed. He needed some structure. Kurupt needed someone to tell him "say it like this", "write it like this", "change your delivery like this" etc etc. A Kurupt album, produced by Dre would have been classic.

Well.. if your looking for that then just listen to the Dogg Food album.  Dre was around for that album, I think he mixed damn near every track, so we know it was up to Dre's standard of approval.  

Because I totally agree.  Kurupt is far from a perfectionist.  He was even on Rap City back in the 90's saying that he would argue with Daz because Daz would keep wanting to go back in and change stuff and Kurupt would be like "man, just drop that shit it's dope".   Kurupt gets sloppy much too easy.  

He got to be the CEO when he made the Kuruption album, and he had the attention of the music world at the time and yet he just rushed out some shit.  It made it look cheap that later he had to go back and add the Warren G track and "Questions" without it being written on the album.  Like someone else said, the album had its highlights but it definitely had its lowlights and with a little bit of tweaking some of the average tracks could've been bangers.

On Streetz Is A Mutha he made a bit of a comeback and came with a more polished album.
Dre did mix it but he didn't dedicate his whole time to it. Even though Dogg Food is a classic, you can tell the difference when you hear the Chronic and Doggystyle, compared to DF. There was still time for Dre and Kurupt to get in together though. Kurupt's Solo debut should have been produced entirely by Dre.


dre ghost-produced a good portion of "dogg food", thats indisputable.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: HighEyeCue on November 18, 2014, 07:30:25 AM
To be fair you're probably expecting too much for a battle rapper to make an album that's *that* much better than Kuruption and Streetz turned out.
If Dre were to be involved, there would be no such thing as expecting too much.

If Dre were involved, and Kurupt had a solo round 98/99 we'd have probably never had 2001

Kurupt wasn't your ordinary battle rapper though...he was unique in that he had both the east coast hip hop style together with being gangsta...I think by the time he did "Streetz" his style went more gangsta MC than battle MC
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on November 18, 2014, 08:05:27 AM


I think those 2 albums are generally underrated, but still. Kurupt is limited in content in a way I really don't think he could ever have released a 'great' solo album unless it was like Doggystyle. Amazing production and loaded with features

Your exactly right.  And again, like I said, we shouldn't complain because at least we have Dogg Food, which is a Certified Classic.  If you really feel you are missing something in life because Kurupt never dropped a classic solo, then just imagine that Daz was a featured guest artist on Dogg Food (the way Hitman was on most the 2001 tracks or Snoop was on most the Chronic tracks) and bump that shit..   8)

...And also there was some truth to the post about Streetz Is A Mutha being a damn good effort from Kurupt... especially considering he was out of his prime... so bottom line is we shouldn't complain too much that we never had some Dre Produced classic solo Kurupt album, and we should be satisfied with Dogg Food and Streetz Is A Mutha

Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on November 18, 2014, 08:53:55 AM
Yeah end of the day Snoop had a shot and the crown and is still eating off it today. He even trickles some $$ down to his camp in thanks for making him what he became

Yeah... end of the day the West Coast stands on two shoulders, Dr. Dre and Snoop.

We are all diehard fans Kurupt fans so we would've supported Kurupt regardless.  But you have to remember that Snoop was the #1 artist in music at the time that Dogg Food was released.  He had a cameo in "Let's Play House", he did the chorus for "New York, New York", he was all over the album, and the just the name recognition of Snoop Doggy Dogg and the Dogg Pound made all the casual fans run out and by the record.

You don't sell 2 million albums off of die hard fans.  You only sell 2 million off of casual fans, and as much as we love and support Kurupt he has never been the type of rapper to get support from casual fans, for whatever reason.  It's because of Snoop that casual fans bought the Dogg Food album.  Maybe they think his shit is too hard core for their tastes, or maybe he is too much like a homie from around the way to be accepted by pop fans, whatever it is, in spite of being one of the most talented rappers in history he just never had casual fans.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: WestWestYA on November 18, 2014, 09:25:01 AM
like vanilla ice said dre can change shit into gold :banana_dss:
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: LAC/EASTSIDE on November 18, 2014, 11:58:08 AM
To this day, I still have no idea why Kurupt and Dre never did an album together. I think this is what Kurupt needed. He needed some structure. Kurupt needed someone to tell him "say it like this", "write it like this", "change your delivery like this" etc etc. A Kurupt album, produced by Dre would have been classic.

Well.. if your looking for that then just listen to the Dogg Food album.  Dre was around for that album, I think he mixed damn near every track, so we know it was up to Dre's standard of approval.  

Because I totally agree.  Kurupt is far from a perfectionist.  He was even on Rap City back in the 90's saying that he would argue with Daz because Daz would keep wanting to go back in and change stuff and Kurupt would be like "man, just drop that shit it's dope".   Kurupt gets sloppy much too easy.  

He got to be the CEO when he made the Kuruption album, and he had the attention of the music world at the time and yet he just rushed out some shit.  It made it look cheap that later he had to go back and add the Warren G track and "Questions" without it being written on the album.  Like someone else said, the album had its highlights but it definitely had its lowlights and with a little bit of tweaking some of the average tracks could've been bangers.

On Streetz Is A Mutha he made a bit of a comeback and came with a more polished album.
Dre did mix it but he didn't dedicate his whole time to it. Even though Dogg Food is a classic, you can tell the difference when you hear the Chronic and Doggystyle, compared to DF. There was still time for Dre and Kurupt to get in together though. Kurupt's Solo debut should have been produced entirely by Dre.


dre ghost-produced a good portion of "dogg food", thats indisputable.
He mixed the album. If that's what you would consider a "ghost production" then yes.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: LAC/EASTSIDE on November 18, 2014, 12:02:02 PM
To be fair you're probably expecting too much for a battle rapper to make an album that's *that* much better than Kuruption and Streetz turned out.
If Dre were to be involved, there would be no such thing as expecting too much.

If Dre were involved, and Kurupt had a solo round 98/99 we'd have probably never had 2001

1. I don't think so. Not sure how 1 album would kill 2001. 

2. None of this relates to anything we're talking about.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: LAC/EASTSIDE on November 18, 2014, 12:03:01 PM
To be fair you're probably expecting too much for a battle rapper to make an album that's *that* much better than Kuruption and Streetz turned out.
If Dre were to be involved, there would be no such thing as expecting too much.

If Dre were involved, and Kurupt had a solo round 98/99 we'd have probably never had 2001

Kurupt wasn't your ordinary battle rapper though...he was unique in that he had both the east coast hip hop style together with being gangsta...I think by the time he did "Streetz" his style went more gangsta MC than battle MC

I think that's a good way of putting it.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: LAC/EASTSIDE on November 18, 2014, 05:04:18 PM
To be fair you're probably expecting too much for a battle rapper to make an album that's *that* much better than Kuruption and Streetz turned out.
If Dre were to be involved, there would be no such thing as expecting too much.

If Dre were involved, and Kurupt had a solo round 98/99 we'd have probably never had 2001

1. I don't think so. Not sure how 1 album would kill 2001.  

2. None of this relates to anything we're talking about.

Stop replying then :D

Uhh you replied to me... ???
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Sccit on November 18, 2014, 05:37:20 PM
To this day, I still have no idea why Kurupt and Dre never did an album together. I think this is what Kurupt needed. He needed some structure. Kurupt needed someone to tell him "say it like this", "write it like this", "change your delivery like this" etc etc. A Kurupt album, produced by Dre would have been classic.

Well.. if your looking for that then just listen to the Dogg Food album.  Dre was around for that album, I think he mixed damn near every track, so we know it was up to Dre's standard of approval.  

Because I totally agree.  Kurupt is far from a perfectionist.  He was even on Rap City back in the 90's saying that he would argue with Daz because Daz would keep wanting to go back in and change stuff and Kurupt would be like "man, just drop that shit it's dope".   Kurupt gets sloppy much too easy.  

He got to be the CEO when he made the Kuruption album, and he had the attention of the music world at the time and yet he just rushed out some shit.  It made it look cheap that later he had to go back and add the Warren G track and "Questions" without it being written on the album.  Like someone else said, the album had its highlights but it definitely had its lowlights and with a little bit of tweaking some of the average tracks could've been bangers.

On Streetz Is A Mutha he made a bit of a comeback and came with a more polished album.
Dre did mix it but he didn't dedicate his whole time to it. Even though Dogg Food is a classic, you can tell the difference when you hear the Chronic and Doggystyle, compared to DF. There was still time for Dre and Kurupt to get in together though. Kurupt's Solo debut should have been produced entirely by Dre.


dre ghost-produced a good portion of "dogg food", thats indisputable.
He mixed the album. If that's what you would consider a "ghost production" then yes.


naah, it's been known that he ghost-produced a lot of that one...this one is a fact.


Snoop: "Dre produced a lot of that shit ("Dogg Food")! I'm telling you, Daz and them brought Dre beats, and he produced the muthafuckas! "What Would You Do" was just a beat that Daz had did. That "bu-bump, bu-bump", the nigga Dre put all that shit on it, that *sings* What would you do, whaa *sings* just to give it that other shit! I'm telling you what I know man! Niggas gotta give Dre the ultimate respect. Niggas try to bash him and cut his knees down like he didn't do nothing nigga, he's the saviour man! Because what he did was, he showed niggas how to produce. Because niggas was good at making beats, but he showed you niggas how to produce!"
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: LAC/EASTSIDE on November 18, 2014, 05:51:51 PM
To this day, I still have no idea why Kurupt and Dre never did an album together. I think this is what Kurupt needed. He needed some structure. Kurupt needed someone to tell him "say it like this", "write it like this", "change your delivery like this" etc etc. A Kurupt album, produced by Dre would have been classic.

Well.. if your looking for that then just listen to the Dogg Food album.  Dre was around for that album, I think he mixed damn near every track, so we know it was up to Dre's standard of approval.  

Because I totally agree.  Kurupt is far from a perfectionist.  He was even on Rap City back in the 90's saying that he would argue with Daz because Daz would keep wanting to go back in and change stuff and Kurupt would be like "man, just drop that shit it's dope".   Kurupt gets sloppy much too easy.  

He got to be the CEO when he made the Kuruption album, and he had the attention of the music world at the time and yet he just rushed out some shit.  It made it look cheap that later he had to go back and add the Warren G track and "Questions" without it being written on the album.  Like someone else said, the album had its highlights but it definitely had its lowlights and with a little bit of tweaking some of the average tracks could've been bangers.

On Streetz Is A Mutha he made a bit of a comeback and came with a more polished album.
Dre did mix it but he didn't dedicate his whole time to it. Even though Dogg Food is a classic, you can tell the difference when you hear the Chronic and Doggystyle, compared to DF. There was still time for Dre and Kurupt to get in together though. Kurupt's Solo debut should have been produced entirely by Dre.


dre ghost-produced a good portion of "dogg food", thats indisputable.
He mixed the album. If that's what you would consider a "ghost production" then yes.


naah, it's been known that he ghost-produced a lot of that one...this one is a fact.


Snoop: "Dre produced a lot of that shit ("Dogg Food")! I'm telling you, Daz and them brought Dre beats, and he produced the muthafuckas! "What Would You Do" was just a beat that Daz had did. That "bu-bump, bu-bump", the nigga Dre put all that shit on it, that *sings* What would you do, whaa *sings* just to give it that other shit! I'm telling you what I know man! Niggas gotta give Dre the ultimate respect. Niggas try to bash him and cut his knees down like he didn't do nothing nigga, he's the saviour man! Because what he did was, he showed niggas how to produce. Because niggas was good at making beats, but he showed you niggas how to produce!"
FUCK smh!!! Not this shit again...(http://media.giphy.com/media/Io1xH03wQzT56/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Sccit on November 18, 2014, 05:55:30 PM
To this day, I still have no idea why Kurupt and Dre never did an album together. I think this is what Kurupt needed. He needed some structure. Kurupt needed someone to tell him "say it like this", "write it like this", "change your delivery like this" etc etc. A Kurupt album, produced by Dre would have been classic.

Well.. if your looking for that then just listen to the Dogg Food album.  Dre was around for that album, I think he mixed damn near every track, so we know it was up to Dre's standard of approval.  

Because I totally agree.  Kurupt is far from a perfectionist.  He was even on Rap City back in the 90's saying that he would argue with Daz because Daz would keep wanting to go back in and change stuff and Kurupt would be like "man, just drop that shit it's dope".   Kurupt gets sloppy much too easy.  

He got to be the CEO when he made the Kuruption album, and he had the attention of the music world at the time and yet he just rushed out some shit.  It made it look cheap that later he had to go back and add the Warren G track and "Questions" without it being written on the album.  Like someone else said, the album had its highlights but it definitely had its lowlights and with a little bit of tweaking some of the average tracks could've been bangers.

On Streetz Is A Mutha he made a bit of a comeback and came with a more polished album.
Dre did mix it but he didn't dedicate his whole time to it. Even though Dogg Food is a classic, you can tell the difference when you hear the Chronic and Doggystyle, compared to DF. There was still time for Dre and Kurupt to get in together though. Kurupt's Solo debut should have been produced entirely by Dre.


dre ghost-produced a good portion of "dogg food", thats indisputable.
He mixed the album. If that's what you would consider a "ghost production" then yes.


naah, it's been known that he ghost-produced a lot of that one...this one is a fact.


Snoop: "Dre produced a lot of that shit ("Dogg Food")! I'm telling you, Daz and them brought Dre beats, and he produced the muthafuckas! "What Would You Do" was just a beat that Daz had did. That "bu-bump, bu-bump", the nigga Dre put all that shit on it, that *sings* What would you do, whaa *sings* just to give it that other shit! I'm telling you what I know man! Niggas gotta give Dre the ultimate respect. Niggas try to bash him and cut his knees down like he didn't do nothing nigga, he's the saviour man! Because what he did was, he showed niggas how to produce. Because niggas was good at making beats, but he showed you niggas how to produce!"
FUCK smh!!! Not this shit again...(http://media.giphy.com/media/Io1xH03wQzT56/giphy.gif)

sorry, brobro...but this time around, u simply dont know ur history if u dont know that dre ghost-produced a majority of "dogg food".
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: LAC/EASTSIDE on November 18, 2014, 05:59:00 PM
To this day, I still have no idea why Kurupt and Dre never did an album together. I think this is what Kurupt needed. He needed some structure. Kurupt needed someone to tell him "say it like this", "write it like this", "change your delivery like this" etc etc. A Kurupt album, produced by Dre would have been classic.

Well.. if your looking for that then just listen to the Dogg Food album.  Dre was around for that album, I think he mixed damn near every track, so we know it was up to Dre's standard of approval.  

Because I totally agree.  Kurupt is far from a perfectionist.  He was even on Rap City back in the 90's saying that he would argue with Daz because Daz would keep wanting to go back in and change stuff and Kurupt would be like "man, just drop that shit it's dope".   Kurupt gets sloppy much too easy.  

He got to be the CEO when he made the Kuruption album, and he had the attention of the music world at the time and yet he just rushed out some shit.  It made it look cheap that later he had to go back and add the Warren G track and "Questions" without it being written on the album.  Like someone else said, the album had its highlights but it definitely had its lowlights and with a little bit of tweaking some of the average tracks could've been bangers.

On Streetz Is A Mutha he made a bit of a comeback and came with a more polished album.
Dre did mix it but he didn't dedicate his whole time to it. Even though Dogg Food is a classic, you can tell the difference when you hear the Chronic and Doggystyle, compared to DF. There was still time for Dre and Kurupt to get in together though. Kurupt's Solo debut should have been produced entirely by Dre.


dre ghost-produced a good portion of "dogg food", thats indisputable.
He mixed the album. If that's what you would consider a "ghost production" then yes.


naah, it's been known that he ghost-produced a lot of that one...this one is a fact.


Snoop: "Dre produced a lot of that shit ("Dogg Food")! I'm telling you, Daz and them brought Dre beats, and he produced the muthafuckas! "What Would You Do" was just a beat that Daz had did. That "bu-bump, bu-bump", the nigga Dre put all that shit on it, that *sings* What would you do, whaa *sings* just to give it that other shit! I'm telling you what I know man! Niggas gotta give Dre the ultimate respect. Niggas try to bash him and cut his knees down like he didn't do nothing nigga, he's the saviour man! Because what he did was, he showed niggas how to produce. Because niggas was good at making beats, but he showed you niggas how to produce!"
FUCK smh!!! Not this shit again...(http://media.giphy.com/media/Io1xH03wQzT56/giphy.gif)

sorry, brobro...but this time around, u simply dont know ur history if u dont know that dre ghost-produced a majority of "dogg food".
First of all, this situation is much different than what we were talking about with Kendrick's album. Dr. Dre was way more involved in Dogg Food, just with the simple fact that he mixed the WHOLE album. This still doesn't mean that we need to ignore the specifics in how everyone was involved. Which is why I made that comment above. But after I read you response, I figured it was going to lead to the same shit, therefore I'm not even going to waste my time this time around. Peace!
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Sccit on November 18, 2014, 06:48:28 PM
To this day, I still have no idea why Kurupt and Dre never did an album together. I think this is what Kurupt needed. He needed some structure. Kurupt needed someone to tell him "say it like this", "write it like this", "change your delivery like this" etc etc. A Kurupt album, produced by Dre would have been classic.

Well.. if your looking for that then just listen to the Dogg Food album.  Dre was around for that album, I think he mixed damn near every track, so we know it was up to Dre's standard of approval.  

Because I totally agree.  Kurupt is far from a perfectionist.  He was even on Rap City back in the 90's saying that he would argue with Daz because Daz would keep wanting to go back in and change stuff and Kurupt would be like "man, just drop that shit it's dope".   Kurupt gets sloppy much too easy.  

He got to be the CEO when he made the Kuruption album, and he had the attention of the music world at the time and yet he just rushed out some shit.  It made it look cheap that later he had to go back and add the Warren G track and "Questions" without it being written on the album.  Like someone else said, the album had its highlights but it definitely had its lowlights and with a little bit of tweaking some of the average tracks could've been bangers.

On Streetz Is A Mutha he made a bit of a comeback and came with a more polished album.
Dre did mix it but he didn't dedicate his whole time to it. Even though Dogg Food is a classic, you can tell the difference when you hear the Chronic and Doggystyle, compared to DF. There was still time for Dre and Kurupt to get in together though. Kurupt's Solo debut should have been produced entirely by Dre.


dre ghost-produced a good portion of "dogg food", thats indisputable.
He mixed the album. If that's what you would consider a "ghost production" then yes.


naah, it's been known that he ghost-produced a lot of that one...this one is a fact.


Snoop: "Dre produced a lot of that shit ("Dogg Food")! I'm telling you, Daz and them brought Dre beats, and he produced the muthafuckas! "What Would You Do" was just a beat that Daz had did. That "bu-bump, bu-bump", the nigga Dre put all that shit on it, that *sings* What would you do, whaa *sings* just to give it that other shit! I'm telling you what I know man! Niggas gotta give Dre the ultimate respect. Niggas try to bash him and cut his knees down like he didn't do nothing nigga, he's the saviour man! Because what he did was, he showed niggas how to produce. Because niggas was good at making beats, but he showed you niggas how to produce!"
FUCK smh!!! Not this shit again...(http://media.giphy.com/media/Io1xH03wQzT56/giphy.gif)

sorry, brobro...but this time around, u simply dont know ur history if u dont know that dre ghost-produced a majority of "dogg food".
First of all, this situation is much different than what we were talking about with Kendrick's album. Dr. Dre was way more involved in Dogg Food, just with the simple fact that he mixed the WHOLE album. This still doesn't mean that we need to ignore the specifics in how everyone was involved. Which is why I made that comment above. But after I read you response, I figured it was going to lead to the same shit, therefore I'm not even going to waste my time this time around. Peace!


if you search on this forum, you'll see that its well-documented he ghost produced on that one...not only snoop, but michel'le went on record as well saying he did production on it. u dont have to believe me, but it's a common notion, not just some shit im makin up.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Okka on November 18, 2014, 10:23:02 PM
What did Michel'le say?
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on November 19, 2014, 08:38:34 AM
That's hella interesting what Snoop said about the Dogg Food album and about "What Would You Do".   What interview was that?

...Not that I didn't kind of already know.  Dre was in the video for "What Would You Do" and Dre introduced Dogg Pound on the Dogg Food album, and even intro'd the first single "Let's Play House".  His name is on there for mixing tracks, he was biggin up Dogg Pound on The Show documentary.  Bottom line is he had their back in those days and it was clear his fingerprints and stamp of approval was on it, and it was of course a classic.  Then Pac enters the picture and makes a classic with All Eyez On Me and Dre was only on 2-3 tracks and ficcaz at Death Row started getting big heads and thinking they could do it without Dre.  Dre leaves, Pac gets murdered and the ship sinks.  

It kind of shows what type of dude Dre really is that he never really tried to take credit for a lot of that work and let Daz have some shine.

...It was still miraculous what Daz was able to put together on RRAGB.  NOW WHAT WOULD BE REALLY FUCCED UP IS IF SOMETHING COMES OUT SHOWING THAT THOSE WERE OLD BEATS ON RRAGB AND THAT DRE EVEN HAD HIS HAND IN THAT.  It's possible, because tracks like "O.G." are old as fucc and was originally a Snoop joint possibly as far back as Doggystyle!
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: WestSideDon on November 22, 2014, 05:11:49 AM
It's obvious Dre had a lot of involvement in the Dogg Food Album. He mixed every track on there and it's also clear that he helped daz with some songs and ghost produced some parts of the album, but Daz involvement was also huge, he sure made some of the beats himself. He just had a "little" help from dre here and there on some songs.
Regarding this fact, it's also idiotic if you think about suges statements a year ago or something about daz producing the whole doggystyle album  ::)
Daz surely is a very, very talented producer who did numerous classic tracks, but Dre is on another level.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: bigpimpin20 on March 27, 2015, 03:20:30 PM
To this day, I still have no idea why Kurupt and Dre never did an album together. I think this is what Kurupt needed. He needed some structure. Kurupt needed someone to tell him "say it like this", "write it like this", "change your delivery like this" etc etc. A Kurupt album, produced by Dre would have been classic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_hDEVLIdM0
guess there was some "plans"
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: bigpimpin20 on March 27, 2015, 03:29:11 PM
Still one my fav Kurupt album #underated 

(http://i57.tinypic.com/icp7ki.png)

01. Speak On It
(additonal vocals : Mark Sparks, Val C)
(produced by : Mark Sparks)

02. Anarchy '87
(produced by : Mark Sparks)
03. Throw Back Muzic '86
(additonal vocals : Mark Sparks)
(produced by : Mark Sparks)

04. Deep Dishes
(produced by : Ric Rude)
05. Stalkin
(produced by : Sir Jinx)
06. Can U Feel It
(additonal vocals : Potion)
(produced by : Doug Mayhem)

07. Slide N Slide Out
(featuring Bigg Tri, Eastwood & Tone)
(produced by : Blaqthoven)

08. Against Tha Grain
(featuring Eastwood, Bigg Tri & Tone)
(produced by : Mark Sparks)

09. Jealousy
(featuring Roscoe & M.O.P)
(produced by : Mark Sparks)

10. Tha Past
(featuring Dave Holister)
(produced by : Doug Mayhem)

11. My Homeboys
(featuring Eastwood & 2Pac)
(produced by : Mark Sparks)

12. Bullshit & Nonsense
(featuring Spider & Eastwood)
(produced by : Ambassador Cash)

13. No Vaseline Part.2
(produced by : Sir Jinx)
14. Hustlin
(featuring Bigg Tri & Tone)
(add vocs : Jah Mickey)
(produced by : Sir Jinx)

15. It's A Wrap
(additonal vocals : Potion)
(produced by : Mark Sparks)

16. One Thangs Fo Sho
(produced by : unknown)
17. One Thangs Fo Sho (Reprise)
(featuring Danny Boy)
(additonal vocals : Ms. Supa Bean)
(produced by : unknown)


--->og tracklist (https://www.sendspace.com/file/bj10x1")
could u re-up it in 320kbps?
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: HighEyeCue on March 29, 2015, 04:51:05 PM
http://turbobit.net/i9qvz36j6di4.html
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: bigpimpin20 on March 30, 2015, 12:43:06 AM
http://turbobit.net/i9qvz36j6di4.html
you sure its not retail version?
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Okka on February 23, 2016, 08:27:33 AM
What did Michel'le say?

I just noticed that i never got an answer. So what did she actually say?
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Sccit on February 23, 2016, 06:34:46 PM
What did Michel'le say?

I just noticed that i never got an answer. So what did she actually say?


been a long time, i dont remember
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Blood$ on February 23, 2016, 09:51:01 PM
Still one my fav Kurupt album #underated 

(http://i57.tinypic.com/icp7ki.png)

01. Speak On It
(additonal vocals : Mark Sparks, Val C)
(produced by : Mark Sparks)

02. Anarchy '87
(produced by : Mark Sparks)
03. Throw Back Muzic '86
(additonal vocals : Mark Sparks)
(produced by : Mark Sparks)

04. Deep Dishes
(produced by : Ric Rude)
05. Stalkin
(produced by : Sir Jinx)
06. Can U Feel It
(additonal vocals : Potion)
(produced by : Doug Mayhem)

07. Slide N Slide Out
(featuring Bigg Tri, Eastwood & Tone)
(produced by : Blaqthoven)

08. Against Tha Grain
(featuring Eastwood, Bigg Tri & Tone)
(produced by : Mark Sparks)

09. Jealousy
(featuring Roscoe & M.O.P)
(produced by : Mark Sparks)

10. Tha Past
(featuring Dave Holister)
(produced by : Doug Mayhem)

11. My Homeboys
(featuring Eastwood & 2Pac)
(produced by : Mark Sparks)

12. Bullshit & Nonsense
(featuring Spider & Eastwood)
(produced by : Ambassador Cash)

13. No Vaseline Part.2
(produced by : Sir Jinx)
14. Hustlin
(featuring Bigg Tri & Tone)
(add vocs : Jah Mickey)
(produced by : Sir Jinx)

15. It's A Wrap
(additonal vocals : Potion)
(produced by : Mark Sparks)

16. One Thangs Fo Sho
(produced by : unknown)
17. One Thangs Fo Sho (Reprise)
(featuring Danny Boy)
(additonal vocals : Ms. Supa Bean)
(produced by : unknown)


--->og tracklist (https://www.sendspace.com/file/bj10x1")
could u re-up it in 320kbps?
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 24, 2016, 03:11:42 AM
its in wav here if u want it http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=321901.0
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: HighEyeCue on February 24, 2016, 06:17:30 AM
http://uploaded.net/file/crm29v85
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Blood$ on February 24, 2016, 09:25:04 AM
http://uploaded.net/file/crm29v85

+1... but does it have the bonus/diss tracks?
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: So Much Style on February 26, 2016, 09:37:43 AM
Most slept on? Dude Kurupt is probably my all-time favorite rapper and that era was a big face-palm for me. I cringed just listening to him struggle to comprise 16 bars. Sure there was a handful of decent tracks but not very many. It was certainly an exciting / interesting time period, I just wish we had twitter and instagram and shit like that back then.

agree word for word
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Remedy360 on February 26, 2016, 11:07:21 AM
http://uploaded.net/file/crm29v85

+1... but does it have the bonus/diss tracks?

If you're talking about No Vaseline Pt II and all that those were released on an EP a few years later.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Blood$ on February 26, 2016, 01:34:45 PM
http://uploaded.net/file/crm29v85

+1... but does it have the bonus/diss tracks?

If you're talking about No Vaseline Pt II and all that those were released on an EP a few years later.

I know, but the tracklist posted with that old link includes them on it lol
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 26, 2016, 02:15:58 PM
http://uploaded.net/file/crm29v85

+1... but does it have the bonus/diss tracks?

If you're talking about No Vaseline Pt II and all that those were released on an EP a few years later.

I know, but the tracklist posted with that old link includes them on it lol
link to wav that i posted is for the version with the og tracklist
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Remedy360 on February 26, 2016, 03:17:51 PM
http://uploaded.net/file/crm29v85

+1... but does it have the bonus/diss tracks?

If you're talking about No Vaseline Pt II and all that those were released on an EP a few years later.

I know, but the tracklist posted with that old link includes them on it lol

Ah, that it does.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: smp4life on February 27, 2016, 01:10:39 PM
Kurupt does have a classic record in Streetz Iz a Mutha. IIRC when Against the Grain finally was released Kurupt disavowed the album and told folks not to buy it. Am I correct on that? I don't think anything was actually released on DR while Kurupt was the head. To me tho, ATG and the EP version with the diss tracks was Kurupt at his best again. Kurupt is better when he is angry and has passion. Also, the Petey Pablo stuff on DR was fire and wasn't that around this time period too?
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: OriginalVersion on February 27, 2016, 01:36:05 PM
Kurupt does have a classic record in Streetz Iz a Mutha. IIRC when Against the Grain finally was released Kurupt disavowed the album and told folks not to buy it. Am I correct on that? I don't think anything was actually released on DR while Kurupt was the head. To me tho, ATG and the EP version with the diss tracks was Kurupt at his best again. Kurupt is better when he is angry and has passion. Also, the Petey Pablo stuff on DR was fire and wasn't that around this time period too?

From what I remember, Death Row were the ones telling fans not to buy Against Tha Grain because they didn't like the way it was put out. (I.E. The cover being Kurupt from that magazine excerpt) And the Petey is from that era 2004 - 2005.
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 27, 2016, 01:48:30 PM
Kurupt does have a classic record in Streetz Iz a Mutha. IIRC when Against the Grain finally was released Kurupt disavowed the album and told folks not to buy it. Am I correct on that? I don't think anything was actually released on DR while Kurupt was the head. To me tho, ATG and the EP version with the diss tracks was Kurupt at his best again. Kurupt is better when he is angry and has passion. Also, the Petey Pablo stuff on DR was fire and wasn't that around this time period too?
when he was vice president they released dysfunktional family and pacs nu mixx classics. death row wasnt suportin this album cuz kurupt told koch to take out diss songs from original tracklist, so i dont know why kurupt was still mad when it was released
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Blood$ on February 27, 2016, 03:33:48 PM
http://uploaded.net/file/crm29v85

+1... but does it have the bonus/diss tracks?

If you're talking about No Vaseline Pt II and all that those were released on an EP a few years later.

I know, but the tracklist posted with that old link includes them on it lol
link to wav that i posted is for the version with the og tracklist

bad file, it won't unzip the songs
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Okka on February 28, 2016, 06:10:08 AM
Can somebody just upload those EP songs in 320?
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: bigpimpin20 on February 28, 2016, 09:06:23 AM
http://uploaded.net/file/crm29v85

+1... but does it have the bonus/diss tracks?

If you're talking about No Vaseline Pt II and all that those were released on an EP a few years later.

I know, but the tracklist posted with that old link includes them on it lol
link to wav that i posted is for the version with the og tracklist

bad file, it won't unzip the songs
try this one https://mega.nz/#!nNt02CBR!PfBrNPZUIs1gm9QlH5-B_8mCEd_VwpZYdblbCz5mTSI
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Blood$ on March 01, 2016, 09:45:01 PM
http://uploaded.net/file/crm29v85

+1... but does it have the bonus/diss tracks?

If you're talking about No Vaseline Pt II and all that those were released on an EP a few years later.

I know, but the tracklist posted with that old link includes them on it lol
link to wav that i posted is for the version with the og tracklist

bad file, it won't unzip the songs
try this one https://mega.nz/#!nNt02CBR!PfBrNPZUIs1gm9QlH5-B_8mCEd_VwpZYdblbCz5mTSI

+1
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Quikster on March 03, 2016, 12:12:25 PM
To this day, I still have no idea why Kurupt and Dre never did an album together. I think this is what Kurupt needed. He needed some structure. Kurupt needed someone to tell him "say it like this", "write it like this", "change your delivery like this" etc etc. A Kurupt album, produced by Dre would have been classic.

Well.. if your looking for that then just listen to the Dogg Food album.  Dre was around for that album, I think he mixed damn near every track, so we know it was up to Dre's standard of approval.  

Because I totally agree.  Kurupt is far from a perfectionist.  He was even on Rap City back in the 90's saying that he would argue with Daz because Daz would keep wanting to go back in and change stuff and Kurupt would be like "man, just drop that shit it's dope".   Kurupt gets sloppy much too easy.  

He got to be the CEO when he made the Kuruption album, and he had the attention of the music world at the time and yet he just rushed out some shit.  It made it look cheap that later he had to go back and add the Warren G track and "Questions" without it being written on the album.  Like someone else said, the album had its highlights but it definitely had its lowlights and with a little bit of tweaking some of the average tracks could've been bangers.

On Streetz Is A Mutha he made a bit of a comeback and came with a more polished album.
Dre did mix it but he didn't dedicate his whole time to it. Even though Dogg Food is a classic, you can tell the difference when you hear the Chronic and Doggystyle, compared to DF. There was still time for Dre and Kurupt to get in together though. Kurupt's Solo debut should have been produced entirely by Dre.


dre ghost-produced a good portion of "dogg food", thats indisputable.
He mixed the album. If that's what you would consider a "ghost production" then yes.


naah, it's been known that he ghost-produced a lot of that one...this one is a fact.


Snoop: "Dre produced a lot of that shit ("Dogg Food")! I'm telling you, Daz and them brought Dre beats, and he produced the muthafuckas! "What Would You Do" was just a beat that Daz had did. That "bu-bump, bu-bump", the nigga Dre put all that shit on it, that *sings* What would you do, whaa *sings* just to give it that other shit! I'm telling you what I know man! Niggas gotta give Dre the ultimate respect. Niggas try to bash him and cut his knees down like he didn't do nothing nigga, he's the saviour man! Because what he did was, he showed niggas how to produce. Because niggas was good at making beats, but he showed you niggas how to produce!"
FUCK smh!!! Not this shit again...(http://media.giphy.com/media/Io1xH03wQzT56/giphy.gif)

sorry, brobro...but this time around, u simply dont know ur history if u dont know that dre ghost-produced a majority of "dogg food".
First of all, this situation is much different than what we were talking about with Kendrick's album. Dr. Dre was way more involved in Dogg Food, just with the simple fact that he mixed the WHOLE album. This still doesn't mean that we need to ignore the specifics in how everyone was involved. Which is why I made that comment above. But after I read you response, I figured it was going to lead to the same shit, therefore I'm not even going to waste my time this time around. Peace!


if you search on this forum, you'll see that its well-documented he ghost produced on that one...not only snoop, but michel'le went on record as well saying he did production on it. u dont have to believe me, but it's a common notion, not just some shit im makin up.

wasn't "Some Bomb Azz Pussy" a leftover beat from the Doggystyle sessions and produced by Dre?
Title: Re: Kurupt's Music from Against Tha Grain Era
Post by: Okka on March 04, 2016, 07:35:20 AM
Can somebody just upload those EP songs in 320?