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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Free Suge Knight, Gucci Mane, & BShmurda Welcome Home Tray D on February 20, 2015, 02:04:59 PM
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"BEYONCE IS BASIC" - The Brilliant Idiots: http://www.YouTUBE.com/v/GAYvk_5GWI4
http://youtu.be/GAYvk_5GWI4
I totally agree with Shultz on this one. I can't even see how Charlamagne can sit there with a straight face and say all of that. I mean I think he's just supporting her that way becuz she's Black but clearly Beyonce ain't the truth.
Try go back and listening to some of her old songs like "Me, Myself, and I". She sounds like a Second Round American Idol reject. Jill Scott will always be able to blow her outta the water. LaToiya Williams too.
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Na, she's the best.
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I don't think many people here have had trouble admitting that..
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i said this to myself since she went solo
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the girl from destinys child?
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i said this to myself since she went solo
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I don't think many people here have had trouble admitting that..
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i said this to myself since she went solo
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Beyonce doesn't have an ounce of soul in her body. That Grammy Performance was the best thing she's done since Cadillac Records
She's only this huge becuz of tha homie Barack
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No fucking shit. She's a cool artist with good hits but she isn't a fucking phenom or anything. I mean let's be real here, can this bitch really sing? NO! She ain't no Whitney Houston. She's average at best. She's just got looks and nice songs but she doesn't have outstanding talent. That's why Jay and her make a good couple. Both being overrated. Not a good couple in terms of looks lol.
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That's why Jay and her make a good couple. Both being overrated.
Good point, I never made that connection.
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Jay's definitely overrated but he's earned a pass from me over the years. I can't deny that he has hits and vintage records. Beyonce is another story tho. 25-30 years from now what records from Beyonce will ANYBODY be playing besides maybe some of the tru-true die hards that'll be pushing 50 still trying to reclaim their youth or is going through some sortve MidLife Crisis? And if that's her goal then that's cool.... It's better to have ONE hit than none.
But her shit's still going to age like Soda in a bottle. Anybody can listen to SWV but not everybody can listen to Beyonce and Destiny's Child. When these young(ish) thots start to get gray hair I doubt Beyonce will be at the top of the playlist for most of them. Her music doesn't stick like that.
Honestly she only has.one or two records that have some life to.em but the rest of that shit is disposable
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She ain't no Whitney Houston.
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I've always felt like that. Not hating on her but I really don't see why she's receiving such iconic status treatment as if she's on a Michael Jackson or Whiteney Houston level.
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We as in dubcc has no problem, its getting the rest of humanity to stop giving in to the hype.
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We as in dubcc has no problem, its getting the rest of humanity to stop giving in to the hype.
That's easy...
Just force somebody else down their throats. You can't blame little black girls for her popularity. They LITERALLY don't know any better unless it's a Family Member or Friend of some sort.
Beyonce is talented but she's not gifted. Her hype is simply contrived, it's Bamboozlement. Beyonce will be pretty irrelevant when the "next Beyonce" comes along and it's not going to be too hard to overthrow he contrived Queendom when that next Beyonce comes along.
Unless she gets her shit in line y'all'll see in due time
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I really don't see why she's receiving such iconic status treatment as if she's on a Michael Jackson or Whiteney Houston level.
They media, bruh. The media convinced black people that Jay-Z & Beyonce are the equivalent to legitimate royalty.
When that same media is done with them, they'll kill Jay-Z, say Beyonce beats Blue Ivy, they'll fall into the abyss & they'll push like Big Sean & Ariana Grande as the biggest name in music.
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I really don't see why she's receiving such iconic status treatment as if she's on a Michael Jackson or Whiteney Houston level.
They media, bruh. The media convinced black people that Jay-Z & Beyonce are the equivalent to legitimate royalty.
When that same media is done with them, they'll kill Jay-Z, say Beyonce beats Blue Ivy, they'll fall into the abyss & they'll push like Big Sean & Ariana Grande as the biggest name in music.
Even though I honestly dislike you and everything you represent.... What you said is actually pretty fuckin true
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And that's no conspiracy theory
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And visitors PLEASE don't let our non-enthusiasm for Hov and my animation fool you. Them niggaz really ain't that great foreal. I mean Jay could easily do a two-hour show of hits but so could alot of people who've been out for a while... just because you didn't get your mixtape track on The Billboard Top 300 doesn't mean that you don't have a hit record lol
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Overrated, yes. Got still a few songs that's aight though.
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whahahaha epic!
Ohh and I think Beyonce is better then JayZ
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whahahaha epic!
Ohh and I think Beyonce is better then JayZ
Erykah Badu >>>> Beyonce
Nas >>>> Jay-Z
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You're right about just about everything you said about Beyonce, but I will agree with Charl on the notion that she's the biggest in music right now. But the biggest in music right now is not that big. The new album only sold about 5 mil worldwide. And its only double platinum. She's the biggest thing in music but music is so shit and watered down that the biggest thing in music can't even sell more than Daz and Kurupt could sell in 1995. The idea that Dogg Food and Beyonce's album are both certified 2x platinum says a lot about the state of music. Because when Dogg Food was released, the biggest act in music was between Hootie and Blowish and Alanis Morrisette, and both their albums pretty quickly went 16X album. That's two 16X Platinum albums that came out in 1995 alone. 1995 spawned another diamond seller with Mariah Carey's Daydream and a few more near diamond sellers like Throwing Copper.
Since 2005 only one album in the music industry has gone diamond; 2011's 21 by Adele. Its noth e world, or the economic climate, or the fans. Its the music. When an album has hits it sells, when it doesn't it doesn't. Adele wrote and recorded 4 or 5 great songs and ut them on the same album and the album went diamond,
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Adele doesn't have a "Purple Rain" either and she's a Pale European who mimics the Afro-American Art form so that played a factor in sales...
Tho at the same time Record Sales aren't the End All Be All. I will agree with you tho on the fact that 5 Milli is waaaaaaay too low to be boosting her status like the way it is. She could have atleast sold 9 Million at a minimum to have actually EARNED that type of praise. But again, she doesn't have a "Purple Rain" or a "Thriller".
So even though we can't wholeheartedly look at Sales like we used to, to some degree huge sales in this industry for an artist of her caliber should be taken into consideration. I'll give her her props tho becuz Shawty might be the biggest Urban Singer (along with Rihanna).
It's just too bad she doesn't have any Soul. Jennifer Hudson and Estelle could probably out-SING Beyonce
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would u eat that ass tho?
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Adele doesn't have a "Purple Rain" either and she's a Pale European who mimics the Afro-American Art form so that played a factor in sales...
Tho at the same time Record Sales aren't the End All Be All. I will agree with you tho on the fact that 5 Milli is waaaaaaay too low to be boosting her status like the way it is. She could have atleast sold 9 Million at a minimum to have actually EARNED that type of praise. But again, she doesn't have a "Purple Rain" or a "Thriller".
So even though we can't wholeheartedly look at Sales like we used to, to some degree huge sales in this industry for an artist of her caliber should be taken into consideration. I'll give her her props tho becuz Shawty might be the biggest Urban Singer (along with Rihanna).
It's just too bad she doesn't have any Soul. Jennifer Hudson and Estelle could probably out-SING Beyonce
Hits are hits. Adele is a fat, hardly attractive, British woman; not even close to the level of stardom of a Beyonce, but if Beyonce's last album had Someone Like You, Rolling in the Deep, and Rumour Has It, Beyonce would have been pushing 15 mil in te US alone. And if Adele's album had Drunk in Love and whatever other shitty Kanye produced pseudo hits it had, Adele wouldn't even have gone platinum.
21 could have easily been a Purpole Rain type album if it were released in the 80s and sung by a hot young it girl with a movie attached to it. If 21 was released in 85 by Madonna, and starred came out out with a film starring Madonna as a 21 year old girl losing love and finding it again, it would have surpassed Purple Rain in popularity and sales, not Thriller, but it would have been Madonna's greatest success. Great tunes, very catchy, and very relate-able by the masses.
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Actually no. You must not understand what Purple Rain was to be saying some type of wild ass shit like that
Purple Rain was placed by Goon, Lawyer, Fireman, CEO, & Entrepreneur all across the board. Purple Rain marked an era and it still gets mad spins decades later. Adele doesn't even get spins on Urban Radio anymore. And that goes for Hip Hop and Soul/Jazz stations alike.
You can't simply say "because Record B sold as much as Record A that automatically makes Record B as great and as impactful as Record A", that's nonsense and an incorrect analogy.
40 years from now she'll be forgotten about, Prince on the other hand is arguably just as popular today as he was back in the days of wayback.
It's like Chris Brown said on The Breakfast Club. [paraphrasing] White People go crazy for shit Black People do routinely if not better
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Actually no. You must not understand what Purple Rain was to be saying some type of wild ass shit like that
Purple Rain was placed by Goon, Lawyer, Fireman, CEO, & Entrepreneur all across the board. Purple Rain marked an era and it still gets mad spins decades later. Adele doesn't even get spins on Urban Radio anymore. And that goes for Hip Hop and Soul/Jazz stations alike.
You can't simply say "because Record B sold as much as Record A that automatically makes Record B as great and as impactful as Record A", that's nonsense and an incorrect analogy.
40 years from now she'll be forgotten about, Prince on the other hand is arguably just as popular today as he was back in the days of wayback.
It's like Chris Brown said on The Breakfast Club. [paraphrasing] White People go crazy for shit Black People do routinely if not better
Too bad Chris Brown fucking sucks. Clown wouldn't even win a Detroit High School talent show in the 1960s.
I'm sorry, but the black American male has lost his soul when it comes to Rhythm and Blues.
Prince sure as fuck had it, and had it strong, still does. No one here is arguing that Prince isn't as good as Adele, but Adele is still better than Chris Brown, Beyonce, and Rihanna combined.
Purple Rain was a tour du force; huge songs, huge videos, and a movie. 21 only had songs and still sold 11 million in the US in an era that doesn't sell that many albums. Someone Like You speaks to its fan base in ways Prince was always to abstract to be able to speak to them. I'm not arguing that 21 has better songs or Adele has more talent, but the reason why songs on that album and songs on albums like Jagged Little Pill hit those huge marks is because of well they relate to the average woman in America and the album sales follow.
I said it before and I said it, if 21 was linked to Madonna and a film it would have surpassed Purple Rain, just like Whitney did with the Bodyguard. I don't think 21 would have reached Bodyguard fame, but somewhere in between the two albums.
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Get off her dick. Bitch isn't even original. She's a Copy Cat of Black American Female Singers, you can find an (original) "Adele" in any Black Church on any.given day, can't say the same for Pecks tho.
She couldn't get the type of Budget that Prince had becuz she's not that unique and doesn't stand out like a Mariah Carey or a Snoop Doggy Dogg.
U tried it but nah. You're speaking hypotheticals and I'm speaking facts. Two totally different concepts.
And if you want to hear a Black Man with some soul then go to a Church. People like CB are only this poppin becuz The Kikes had to lower the bar for Pecks becuz we dominate in that department. They're only doing it to level the playing field
Mary Mary >>> Adele
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teena_Marie_discography
Teena Marie didn't even sell that much during a time when records were selling
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I could give a shit about Adele or whatever talent she does or doesn't have. The point is the songs were hits and thats why the album sold. If beyonce's album had Rumour Has It as the kick off single, Someone Like You as the main single when the album dropped, and Rolling the Deep as the single to re-ignite the album, AND was the soundtrack to a fiilm starring Beyonce it would have been almost as big as Bodyguard.
Songs sell records more than talent does. Yeah there's plenty of black females with more talent than Adele. There were plenty more when Madonna was huge, but hits are hits.
My favourite right now is Sharon Jones; but her style of songs will never transcend into the modern pop world for her to ever become a star. I'm ok with that. She's still better than Adele, or Bey, or CB.
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Again, Teena Marie
But thanks for that little intermission
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Again, Teena Marie
But thanks for that little intermission
What's the point about Teena Marie not being able to sell? She never had an album with a string of pop hits, therefore she never sold.
My point all along is that artists sell records when they have songs that people like; talent only gets you so far. The best singer in the world isn't shit if he or she is singing songs the people don't want to hear.
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Yeah you clearly don't know shit about Teena Marie so i'ma jus leave it at that. You literally just made my case for me [to your point]
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Yeah you clearly don't know shit about Teena Marie so i'ma jus leave it at that. You literally just made my case for me [to your point]
Learn to write a complete paragraph, and maybe then we can have an actual debate
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Never rated her. Good looks don't make a good artist. Her music is boring as shit.
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THERES NOT ONE PERSON IN THIS WORLD (MALE OR FEMALE) THAT WOULDNT LET BEYONCE SIT ON THEIR FACE
AND I THINK THATS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO
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Yeah you clearly don't know shit about Teena Marie so i'ma jus leave it at that. You literally just made my case for me [to your point]
Learn to write a complete paragraph, and maybe then we can have an actual debate
Very mature
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Yeah you clearly don't know shit about Teena Marie so i'ma jus leave it at that. You literally just made my case for me [to your point]
Learn to write a complete paragraph, and maybe then we can have an actual debate
Not immature, just curious. I clearly missed your point about Teena Marie, and I require a full paragraph to get it. Topic, argument, conclusion.
Very mature
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Nah. Leaving you looking like an idiot is even better
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Nah. Leaving you looking like an idiot is even better
Racist.
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Teena Marie is a great artist. One of the few white people who got soul. Also she gets a lot of respect from black musicians.
But back to Beyonce... is she overrated, as a singer, yes...
As a very attractive woman... even after 16 years... NOPE..
(http://www.popsalata.com/images/news/photogallery/small1/beyonce-2014-takvimi-794002-09102013113256.jpg)
Do I listen to her music, even my wife says she sucks now. But I don't miss her TV appearances!
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Teena Marie is a great artist. One of the few white people who got soul. Also she gets a lot of respect from black musicians.
The same applies to Johnny Otis, but he never had an album with 4 or 5 top 40 hits either, and thus never made it big in sales.
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Teena Marie is a great artist. One of the few white people who got soul. Also she gets a lot of respect from black musicians.
The same applies to Johnny Otis, but he never had an album with 4 or 5 top 40 hits either, and thus never made it big in sales.
Can't argue that. But it is what it is. You said it before, you need a song. You need that one track people know you for and what to listen to you again.
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LOL @ arguing with Radio.
Jennifer Hudson shits on Beyonce as a singer as do many others, black, white or yellow. But nobody is seeing her as far as commercial appeal goes. Not that this would count for anything artistically.