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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Free Suge Knight, Gucci Mane, & BShmurda Welcome Home Tray D on March 17, 2015, 12:31:59 PM
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This album is damn near flawless. My only gripe is the use of The N-Word on here.
Ain't nothin I can say bad about the album. I'm so glad it's not Eurocentric, that Hip Pop shit has to end. It doesn't sound good anymore and it's not as fresh as it once was (and that's not saying much).
I feel like now we've reached a certain turning point in the game to where now originality and Soul is coming back to the forefront. Sure the Younginz will still like their Young Money type of shit but they'll realize that the more popular and "trendy" "Back To The Essence" Hip Hop is the more and more they'll be inclined to fuck with the Jazzy stuff. It's not the end of Georgia's Reign (almost impossible) but the balance is coming back.
It started with (IMO) Key! & OG Maco along with Big K.R.I.T and Ty $. And then onto J. Cole who brought it to a whole new opus. And then onto Lupe, Joey, & Drake who catapulted the image and the sound. And now onto Kendrick who is tipping it over the tipping point with the momentum of Snoop, Wale, & Kanye and those Damon Dash interviews. It's a glorious time for Hip Hop.
The transitions of Michael Brown & Eric Garner are fueling the fire to this I might add. Their lives (and others) will not go in vein - RIP Tamir Rice & Travon Martin.
*You don't understand Black folks or Hip Hop if you don't know why I threw that in there*
So to everyone saying there's no Singles on the album, fuck you! "The Blacker The Berry", "i", & the rest of the album could all be Singles, especially "The Blacker The Berry", that's a potential structure changer right there. It would damn near elevate Pop Culture overall if released and endorsed.
Mr. Duckworth you did it again. This album has replay value and teachings that are going to last for years to come.
"Wesley's Theory" doe 8)
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Wake up mane, you´re dreamin...
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Wake up mane, you´re dreamin...
Nah. You're just dead inside
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Speaking of which... Dom Kennedy needs to get off his ass and put something out. It ain't Summer without Dom
IamSu did his thing this year too. But where Mustard at? a new movie from YG? Some feel good chit from Too $hort?
TeeFlii - Blue Lipstick (Feat. Chris Brown): http://www.youtube.com/v/G8o7HAVCTx0
Don't give a fuck if none of you ratchet bitches like it. I fuc wit it
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Edited to clarify those YG & $hort Dog reflections. I don't need muthafuckaz gettin that shit confused with that other shit.
OYG is a good actor for what he do and Mr. Shaw stay with that feel good funky shit
"Blame It On The Streets" is pretty tough and I ain't got to explain when it comes to Too $hort
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this new kendrick album is lame. you wanna hear hip hop pushin' the envelope go listen to ''and then you shoot your cousin''.
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What makes you think I didn't hear it already and didn't like it?
What makes you think that I don't think, that that album (and that Band) haven't made strides to keep the Soul alive?
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Speaking of which... Dom Kennedy needs to get off his ass and put something out. It ain't Summer without Dom
IamSu did his thing this year too. But where Mustard at? a new movie from YG? Some feel good chit from Too $hort?
TeeFlii - Blue Lipstick (Feat. Chris Brown): http://www.youtube.com/v/G8o7HAVCTx0
Don't give a fuck if none of you ratchet bitches like it. I fuc wit it
i cant tell them apart on that song they sound like 2 bitches :D
you right bout dom tho his lazy ass needs to put something out
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Wake up mane, you´re dreamin...
wake up euro its not 1996 anymore :D
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this new kendrick album is lame. you wanna hear hip hop pushin' the envelope go listen to ''and then you shoot your cousin''.
yes we know ti bottom bitch nigga
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this new kendrick album is lame. you wanna hear hip hop pushin' the envelope go listen to ''and then you shoot your cousin''.
yes we know ti bottom bitch nigga
the only bottom bitch niggas is your father and grandfather u sorry son of a bitch.
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this new kendrick album is lame. you wanna hear hip hop pushin' the envelope go listen to ''and then you shoot your cousin''.
yes we know ti bottom bitch nigga
Lmfao
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this new kendrick album is lame. you wanna hear hip hop pushin' the envelope go listen to ''and then you shoot your cousin''.
yes we know ti bottom bitch nigga
Lmfao
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I dont know. Some cool tracks, but he's voice changing is wack. On couple tracks he sound like some female.
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Speaking of which... Dom Kennedy needs to get off his ass and put something out. It ain't Summer without Dom
IamSu did his thing this year too. But where Mustard at? a new movie from YG? Some feel good chit from Too $hort?
TeeFlii - Blue Lipstick (Feat. Chris Brown): http://www.youtube.com/v/G8o7HAVCTx0
Don't give a fuck if none of you ratchet bitches like it. I fuc wit it
i cant tell them apart on that song they sound like 2 bitches :D
you right bout dom tho his lazy ass needs to put something out
Dom Kennedy is underrated
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Dom Kennedy is underrated
he is and not having nothing new out there to keep his name fresh isn't helping either
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Stamp. Never understood why he never got that Freshman cover cosign either. Wasn't he the only or one of the few artists to ever cut out the middleman and go straight to major retailers? I'm probably wrong but I know he did that
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"To pimp a butterfly" , that is probably the gayest name I've heard for an album ever, lmao .
Figures,.... Kendrick's always been overhyped rubbish anyway
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I bought the CD last night. Took out my old discman and sennhesiers and pressed play. I'll save any opinions for a few weeks. It takkes me a while to soak in an album. But a lot of my people here are praising it, so I am expecting big things.
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The album's crazy. All across the many sub-genres of Hip Hop it honestly stands out as one of the best in the past few years. The replay value is tremendous, even if you don't play it thru all of the way from beginning to end
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I can't comment on the lyrical content yet since I've just listened to it here and there but it seems like it's got some depth for sure; I want to listen to it straight through before I make a real comment on the lyrics. The production is what I've noticed that I'm feeling more than that on GKMC. Some tracks have more of a jazzy/funky/groovy soulfulness that I didn't hear much of on GKMC which I'm really digging; GKMC overall had a more simplistic production style and a couple beats that I just didn't like at all.
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"To pimp a butterfly" , that is probably the gayest name I've heard for an album ever, lmao .
Figures,.... Kendrick's always been overhyped rubbish anyway
ur either one of those stuck in the 90s nothing bot gangsta music or money hoes and cars either way one minded :D
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Wake up mane, you´re dreamin...
Nah. You're just dead inside
you got tones of dicks inside your dirty ass body..
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Wake up mane, you´re dreamin...
wake up euro its not 1996 anymore :D
wake up yankee it´s not the illuminati gay ass world..
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lol
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Wake up mane, you´re dreamin...
Nah. You're just dead inside
you got tones of dicks inside your dirty ass body..
lmao that was elanoesque
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Ferhat > Elano
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I'm only a couple days in, but I have to say this album may very well end up going down as one of the great albums of all time and one of the defining artistic endeavors of the decade.
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Suga Free: I Heard Myself on Kendrick's 'To Pimp a Butterfly'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYCO2ahiWeo
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I bought the CD last night. Took out my old discman and sennhesiers and pressed play. I'll save any opinions for a few weeks. It takkes me a while to soak in an album. But a lot of my people here are praising it, so I am expecting big things.
I'm only a couple days in, but I have to say this album may very well end up going down as one of the great albums of all time and one of the defining artistic endeavors of the decade.
I am coming around to this. Just for the hell of it, I re-listened to Good Kid, m.A.A.d. City, and right now I'm leaning to To Pimp a Butterfly being better. I think GKMC is the best hip-hop album since at least Untitled by Nas, and maybe since College Dropout by Kanye. It was that good. But TPAB might have surpassed it. Maybe. I'm leaning that way. I can relate to GKMC more, but TPAB is just so damn good.
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I bought the CD last night. Took out my old discman and sennhesiers and pressed play. I'll save any opinions for a few weeks. It takkes me a while to soak in an album. But a lot of my people here are praising it, so I am expecting big things.
I'm only a couple days in, but I have to say this album may very well end up going down as one of the great albums of all time and one of the defining artistic endeavors of the decade.
I am coming around to this. Just for the hell of it, I re-listened to Good Kid, m.A.A.d. City, and right now I'm leaning to To Pimp a Butterfly being better. I think GKMC is the best hip-hop album since at least Untitled by Nas, and maybe since College Dropout by Kanye. It was that good. But TPAB might have surpassed it. Maybe. I'm leaning that way. I can relate to GKMC more, but TPAB is just so damn good.
its good to see people coming around to check out kendricks albums its a name that will be around for a long time and the one sided fucks should give it a chance and stop talking shit when they didn't give the albums a chance but why stop at To Pimp A Butterfly
if you never heard section 80 or od or kendrick lamar ep check those out too
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I bought the CD last night. Took out my old discman and sennhesiers and pressed play. I'll save any opinions for a few weeks. It takkes me a while to soak in an album. But a lot of my people here are praising it, so I am expecting big things.
I'm only a couple days in, but I have to say this album may very well end up going down as one of the great albums of all time and one of the defining artistic endeavors of the decade.
I am coming around to this. Just for the hell of it, I re-listened to Good Kid, m.A.A.d. City, and right now I'm leaning to To Pimp a Butterfly being better. I think GKMC is the best hip-hop album since at least Untitled by Nas, and maybe since College Dropout by Kanye. It was that good. But TPAB might have surpassed it. Maybe. I'm leaning that way. I can relate to GKMC more, but TPAB is just so damn good.
I thought Dropout sucked and Butterfly may be better as an album than anything Nas released, except Illmatic. Its already better than any Jay Z album. And all of the first 3 Em albums.
Its simply on a higher level musically and artistically. This isn't coming from a hip hop fan. A music fan.
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I bought the CD last night. Took out my old discman and sennhesiers and pressed play. I'll save any opinions for a few weeks. It takkes me a while to soak in an album. But a lot of my people here are praising it, so I am expecting big things.
I'm only a couple days in, but I have to say this album may very well end up going down as one of the great albums of all time and one of the defining artistic endeavors of the decade.
I am coming around to this. Just for the hell of it, I re-listened to Good Kid, m.A.A.d. City, and right now I'm leaning to To Pimp a Butterfly being better. I think GKMC is the best hip-hop album since at least Untitled by Nas, and maybe since College Dropout by Kanye. It was that good. But TPAB might have surpassed it. Maybe. I'm leaning that way. I can relate to GKMC more, but TPAB is just so damn good.
I thought Dropout sucked and Butterfly may be better as an album than anything Nas released, except Illmatic. Its already better than any Jay Z album. And all of the first 3 Em albums.
Its simply on a higher level musically and artistically. This isn't coming from a hip hop fan. A music fan.
lolwhat
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I'll only adress the Nas claim because Kanye isnt worth , my time.
Illmatic is what it is, a masterpiece. Everything else Nas did is far from a masterpiece. Butterfly is shaping up like it may be a masterpiece. So by logic, Butterfly is better. Jay has zero masterpieces. Neither does Em.
A classic album isn't always a masterpiece. Jay and Em have classics, not masterpieces, but very few artists have one. Springsteen has 2, but thats very rare.
I am open to the idea that Butterfly falls off with time. I thought Stillmatic was almost masterpiece when it came out. It has not hold up years later.
The major difference for me between Still and Butterfly was that at the height of my Jay Z hatred I desperately wanted to love the news Nas album and over hyped it to myself when it hit. Its still better than Blueprint but its not better than Written or I Am.
With Kendrick I was on a years long hip hop drought and looked for reasons to dislike it, and after first listen was ready to dismiss it. But with listen 2 and 3 it stood out to warrant listens 10 and 11.
I wont be ready to call it a masterpiece until I revisit it years from now and see how I feel then. With BTR and Darkness, or Illmatic, I revisit them once a year and feel as great about them everytime.
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I'll only adress the Nas claim because Kanye isnt worth , my time.
Illmatic is what it is, a masterpiece. Everything else Nas did is far from a masterpiece. Butterfly is shaping up like it may be a masterpiece. So by logic, Butterfly is better. Jay has zero masterpieces. Neither does Em.
A classic album isn't always a masterpiece. Jay and Em have classics, not masterpieces, but very few artists have one. Springsteen has 2, but thats very rare.
I am open to the idea that Butterfly falls off with time. I thought Stillmatic was almost masterpiece when it came out. It has not hold up years later.
The major difference for me between Still and Butterfly was that at the height of my Jay Z hatred I desperately wanted to love the news Nas album and over hyped it to myself when it hit. Its still better than Blueprint but its not better than Written or I Am.
With Kendrick I was on a years long hip hop drought and looked for reasons to dislike it, and after first listen was ready to dismiss it. But with listen 2 and 3 it stood out to warrant listens 10 and 11.
I wont be ready to call it a masterpiece until I revisit it years from now and see how I feel then. With BTR and Darkness, or Illmatic, I revisit them once a year and feel as great about them everytime.
FIRST OFF, STILLMATIC IS WAY BETTER THAN I AM....SECOND OF ALL, EMINEM AND JAY-Z BOTH HAVE CLASSICS, WHICH TO ME IS INTERCHANGEABLE WITH A MASTERPIECE.
BUT LIKE M.O ONCE SAID, OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASSHOLES, EVERYBODY GOT EM.
REALLY THO, IT'S HARD FOR ME TO IMAGINE THIS KENDRICK ALBUM BEING BETER THAN EITHER SSLP OR MMLP
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Of course its opinion, but undeserved masterpieces rarely last. What I mean by clasic vs mastepiece is that a classic is something that everyone with in a genre of art can say that is amazing. A masterpiece is something that breaks the genre and speaks to the hearts, minds and souls of people that just love art and aren't limited or even fans of the genre of that art.
Scarface is a classic. Fans of of gangster films all love it. Godfather is a Masterpiece. Fans of art love it. People that love art; the human expression of one's inner most thoughts and emotions are not going to in large numbers ever come to love Scarface. But will for Godfather.
But fans stuck inside genres can't see past that. There are plenty of fans of just gangster and action films and they'll die by Scarface and can't imagine why anyone would say Godfather. Art, like Science has people that can't grasp it.
A quote; Art; in the end its all subjective, but in the beginning its all objective.
You can't successfully break the rules of art until you've mastered them. Picasso could sketch your face like a photograph. After learning all the rules and laws of drawing and painting, then he broke them and and decided to go abstract.
Illmatic is one of those pieces of art. Nothing by Em or Jay, or Kanye come close to something like that. I don't know if Kendrick's last album will be one of those. I may say in two weeks I was way off. But I know Nas, and Em and Jay's work very well and only Nas on one album ever reached that.
Tupac had songs that were masterpieces, but never an album, and that was mainly due to him making albums too long or having too many of his friends on them. Me Against the World gets ruined by filler and the Outlawz, but very well could have been a masterpiece. If Illmatic had 4 more tacks thrat were filler party songs and 3 or 4 guests on half the tracks it would have fell apart too.
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I bought the CD last night. Took out my old discman and sennhesiers and pressed play. I'll save any opinions for a few weeks. It takkes me a while to soak in an album. But a lot of my people here are praising it, so I am expecting big things.
I'm only a couple days in, but I have to say this album may very well end up going down as one of the great albums of all time and one of the defining artistic endeavors of the decade.
I am coming around to this. Just for the hell of it, I re-listened to Good Kid, m.A.A.d. City, and right now I'm leaning to To Pimp a Butterfly being better. I think GKMC is the best hip-hop album since at least Untitled by Nas, and maybe since College Dropout by Kanye. It was that good. But TPAB might have surpassed it. Maybe. I'm leaning that way. I can relate to GKMC more, but TPAB is just so damn good.
basically agree with most of this
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Of course its opinion, but undeserved masterpieces rarely last. What I mean by clasic vs mastepiece is that a classic is something that everyone with in a genre of art can say that is amazing. A masterpiece is something that breaks the genre and speaks to the hearts, minds and souls of people that just love art and aren't limited or even fans of the genre of that art.
Scarface is a classic. Fans of of gangster films all love it. Godfather is a Masterpiece. Fans of art love it. People that love art; the human expression of one's inner most thoughts and emotions are not going to in large numbers ever come to love Scarface. But will for Godfather.
But fans stuck inside genres can't see past that. There are plenty of fans of just gangster and action films and they'll die by Scarface and can't imagine why anyone would say Godfather. Art, like Science has people that can't grasp it.
A quote; Art; in the end its all subjective, but in the beginning its all objective.
You can't successfully break the rules of art until you've mastered them. Picasso could sketch your face like a photograph. After learning all the rules and laws of drawing and painting, then he broke them and and decided to go abstract.
Illmatic is one of those pieces of art. Nothing by Em or Jay, or Kanye come close to something like that. I don't know if Kendrick's last album will be one of those. I may say in two weeks I was way off. But I know Nas, and Em and Jay's work very well and only Nas on one album ever reached that.
Tupac had songs that were masterpieces, but never an album, and that was mainly due to him making albums too long or having too many of his friends on them. Me Against the World gets ruined by filler and the Outlawz, but very well could have been a masterpiece. If Illmatic had 4 more tacks thrat were filler party songs and 3 or 4 guests on half the tracks it would have fell apart too.
Agree with all of that, other than 'Pac not having a masterpiece... lol. I think Me Against the World is, and Makaveli.
I mentioned this with my first listen review to the album, it's a masterpiece. This holds up against great music in general. When I think of Hip-Hop classics, Good Kid m.A.A.d City comes to mind, but To Pimp a Butterfly is an artist masterpiece. It doesn't mean the Hip-Hop community will see it as a Hip-Hop classic. But without a doubt, some albums are classics, but it doesn't mean they transcend to art, and some albums are artistically amazing, but it doesn't mean that it will be a classic.
But right now, this album is a masterpiece. Kendrick may have put out the album which solidifies him as the best reaper of his era. It's too soon to tell, but it wouldn't be a stretch. He speaks to many emotions, the struggle of black America, the inner workings of the industry and dealing with his own personal demons through all of this. It's a complex album which either ups the game or is ignored as everyone else does their own thing. I know this, for the first time since Eminem's Recovery album, I went out and bought a physical CD. I went and grabbed a copy because I feel so strongly about this album that I blew up his listens on Spotify and I bought the disc. I may never open that disc, but I wanted to make sure that album has at least one sale from me.
I might get bored of that album, but right now, I doubt it. There is so much to dissect that every time I listen I hear something new.
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matw aeom and makaveli all are classics and all 3 stood the test of time and are 3 albums that will never be forgotten
i see Kendricks albums having the same honor but its too early to tell cause who knows what albums he will drop next in the future
band wagon fans really need to check out his older albums
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Of course its opinion, but undeserved masterpieces rarely last. What I mean by clasic vs mastepiece is that a classic is something that everyone with in a genre of art can say that is amazing. A masterpiece is something that breaks the genre and speaks to the hearts, minds and souls of people that just love art and aren't limited or even fans of the genre of that art.
Scarface is a classic. Fans of of gangster films all love it. Godfather is a Masterpiece. Fans of art love it. People that love art; the human expression of one's inner most thoughts and emotions are not going to in large numbers ever come to love Scarface. But will for Godfather.
But fans stuck inside genres can't see past that. There are plenty of fans of just gangster and action films and they'll die by Scarface and can't imagine why anyone would say Godfather. Art, like Science has people that can't grasp it.
A quote; Art; in the end its all subjective, but in the beginning its all objective.
You can't successfully break the rules of art until you've mastered them. Picasso could sketch your face like a photograph. After learning all the rules and laws of drawing and painting, then he broke them and and decided to go abstract.
Illmatic is one of those pieces of art. Nothing by Em or Jay, or Kanye come close to something like that. I don't know if Kendrick's last album will be one of those. I may say in two weeks I was way off. But I know Nas, and Em and Jay's work very well and only Nas on one album ever reached that.
Tupac had songs that were masterpieces, but never an album, and that was mainly due to him making albums too long or having too many of his friends on them. Me Against the World gets ruined by filler and the Outlawz, but very well could have been a masterpiece. If Illmatic had 4 more tacks thrat were filler party songs and 3 or 4 guests on half the tracks it would have fell apart too.
Agree with all of that, other than 'Pac not having a masterpiece... lol. I think Me Against the World is, and Makaveli.
I mentioned this with my first listen review to the album, it's a masterpiece. This holds up against great music in general. When I think of Hip-Hop classics, Good Kid m.A.A.d City comes to mind, but To Pimp a Butterfly is an artist masterpiece. It doesn't mean the Hip-Hop community will see it as a Hip-Hop classic. But without a doubt, some albums are classics, but it doesn't mean they transcend to art, and some albums are artistically amazing, but it doesn't mean that it will be a classic.
But right now, this album is a masterpiece. Kendrick may have put out the album which solidifies him as the best reaper of his era. It's too soon to tell, but it wouldn't be a stretch. He speaks to many emotions, the struggle of black America, the inner workings of the industry and dealing with his own personal demons through all of this. It's a complex album which either ups the game or is ignored as everyone else does their own thing. I know this, for the first time since Eminem's Recovery album, I went out and bought a physical CD. I went and grabbed a copy because I feel so strongly about this album that I blew up his listens on Spotify and I bought the disc. I may never open that disc, but I wanted to make sure that album has at least one sale from me.
I might get bored of that album, but right now, I doubt it. There is so much to dissect that every time I listen I hear something new.
Me Against The World has masterpiece songs on it. It just doesn't string together quite right. Just cut a couple tracks and cut the Outlaw parts on the title track and its there. Its definitely as close as it gets. Makaveli is amazing too. It just falls a bit with the diss tracks. And even songs like Me and My Girlfriend, which I love the concept of and its put together fantastically, it just doesn't hit the high art soul of most of Me Against The World, or a lot of that album.
And the level of soul Pac hits on those tracks really shows how far ahead he was than the rest, then and now. Pac definitely had the capability and ability to release a high art masterpiece head to toe, but purposely got in the way of it it seemed to allow outside forces to influence the output.
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lol 2pac doesnt have a master piece but kendrick lamar does.......thats good
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I dont know. Some cool tracks, but he's voice changing is wack. On couple tracks he sound like some female.
Tell that to Prince.
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lol 2pac doesnt have a master piece but kendrick lamar does.......thats good
You purposely left out that I said Tupac's lack of masterpiece was done by his own hand. I said Pac was the better artist but let the poltics ruin his albums. If Kendrick had blatant dis tracks ln ths album or let his crew ruin songs by rapping in the middle of them then Butterfly would not be as good as MATW or Makaveli.
Kendrick's best attribute as rapper s knowing that no more verses or lines are needed.
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lol 2pac doesnt have a master piece but kendrick lamar does.......thats good
You purposely left out that I said Tupac's lack of masterpiece was done by his own hand. I said Pac was the better artist but let the poltics ruin his albums. If Kendrick had blatant dis tracks ln ths album or let his crew ruin songs by rapping in the middle of them then Butterfly would not be as good as MATW or Makaveli.
Kendrick's best attribute as rapper s knowing that no more verses or lines are needed.
wacklawz did indeed ruined a lot of pac songs
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Of course its opinion, but undeserved masterpieces rarely last. What I mean by clasic vs mastepiece is that a classic is something that everyone with in a genre of art can say that is amazing. A masterpiece is something that breaks the genre and speaks to the hearts, minds and souls of people that just love art and aren't limited or even fans of the genre of that art.
Scarface is a classic. Fans of of gangster films all love it. Godfather is a Masterpiece. Fans of art love it. People that love art; the human expression of one's inner most thoughts and emotions are not going to in large numbers ever come to love Scarface. But will for Godfather.
But fans stuck inside genres can't see past that. There are plenty of fans of just gangster and action films and they'll die by Scarface and can't imagine why anyone would say Godfather. Art, like Science has people that can't grasp it.
A quote; Art; in the end its all subjective, but in the beginning its all objective.
You can't successfully break the rules of art until you've mastered them. Picasso could sketch your face like a photograph. After learning all the rules and laws of drawing and painting, then he broke them and and decided to go abstract.
Illmatic is one of those pieces of art. Nothing by Em or Jay, or Kanye come close to something like that. I don't know if Kendrick's last album will be one of those. I may say in two weeks I was way off. But I know Nas, and Em and Jay's work very well and only Nas on one album ever reached that.
Tupac had songs that were masterpieces, but never an album, and that was mainly due to him making albums too long or having too many of his friends on them. Me Against the World gets ruined by filler and the Outlawz, but very well could have been a masterpiece. If Illmatic had 4 more tacks thrat were filler party songs and 3 or 4 guests on half the tracks it would have fell apart too.
Agree with all of that, other than 'Pac not having a masterpiece... lol. I think Me Against the World is, and Makaveli.
I mentioned this with my first listen review to the album, it's a masterpiece. This holds up against great music in general. When I think of Hip-Hop classics, Good Kid m.A.A.d City comes to mind, but To Pimp a Butterfly is an artist masterpiece. It doesn't mean the Hip-Hop community will see it as a Hip-Hop classic. But without a doubt, some albums are classics, but it doesn't mean they transcend to art, and some albums are artistically amazing, but it doesn't mean that it will be a classic.
But right now, this album is a masterpiece. Kendrick may have put out the album which solidifies him as the best reaper of his era. It's too soon to tell, but it wouldn't be a stretch. He speaks to many emotions, the struggle of black America, the inner workings of the industry and dealing with his own personal demons through all of this. It's a complex album which either ups the game or is ignored as everyone else does their own thing. I know this, for the first time since Eminem's Recovery album, I went out and bought a physical CD. I went and grabbed a copy because I feel so strongly about this album that I blew up his listens on Spotify and I bought the disc. I may never open that disc, but I wanted to make sure that album has at least one sale from me.
I might get bored of that album, but right now, I doubt it. There is so much to dissect that every time I listen I hear something new.
Me Against The World has masterpiece songs on it. It just doesn't string together quite right. Just cut a couple tracks and cut the Outlaw parts on the title track and its there. Its definitely as close as it gets. Makaveli is amazing too. It just falls a bit with the diss tracks. And even songs like Me and My Girlfriend, which I love the concept of and its put together fantastically, it just doesn't hit the high art soul of most of Me Against The World, or a lot of that album.
And the level of soul Pac hits on those tracks really shows how far ahead he was than the rest, then and now. Pac definitely had the capability and ability to release a high art masterpiece head to toe, but purposely got in the way of it it seemed to allow outside forces to influence the output.
I see where you are coming from. I can agree with MATW, though I judge that based on Hip-Hop albums of the time, and where Hip-Hop was. Outside of Illmatic, MATW was the closest a Hip-Hop artist got to masterpiece level. But the features did mess it up a bit and messed up the flow.
Now for Makaveli, I would argue that part of Hip-Hop is the diss record. Bomb First might have been the most lyrical diss record put out in the 90's. It was straight heat from 2Pac's part. But the Outlawz did come in and they weren't as good as 2Pac. And Against All Odds did seem a bit out of place. But as Hip-Hop albums, they'll go down as classics. So I see your point. I'd still argue Makaveli was a masterpiece when you look at the art form of rap music and the importance of the diss record. But I can see the counter point.
What's sad to remember, 2Pac was 25 when he died. Kendrick is a young artist now, and he's already 27. Drake is in his prime and he's 28. Jay-Z was 26 when he finally released Reasonable Doubt. And when 'Pac dies, every album was better than the last and you felt like his best work was still in the future. To see what 'Pac could have done if he was still alive might be the biggest question. Could he have put out that transformative album that he seemed so close to putting out, could he have reached his artist peak, when what we saw was already so far ahead of everyone else at the time?
But we have what we have, and for right now it's a look at how Kendrick stacks up. Like I mentioned, I'm not sure if this album will be seen as a Hip-Hop classic, but it's such a great piece of art that does that matter? I'm almost wondering if by labeling it a Hip-Hop classic, might that be too limiting to what Kendrick did? I don't know. Maybe? Maybe not? Maybe it's time to expect more from Hip-Hop. It think what Sccit fails to see is this album in the bigger picture. This album might be the classic Hip-Hop album that MATW is, or other great Hip-Hop albums, but what does that say about Hip-Hop as a genre? I don't know. But I hope other young artist step their game up.
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Of course its opinion, but undeserved masterpieces rarely last. What I mean by clasic vs mastepiece is that a classic is something that everyone with in a genre of art can say that is amazing. A masterpiece is something that breaks the genre and speaks to the hearts, minds and souls of people that just love art and aren't limited or even fans of the genre of that art.
Scarface is a classic. Fans of of gangster films all love it. Godfather is a Masterpiece. Fans of art love it. People that love art; the human expression of one's inner most thoughts and emotions are not going to in large numbers ever come to love Scarface. But will for Godfather.
But fans stuck inside genres can't see past that. There are plenty of fans of just gangster and action films and they'll die by Scarface and can't imagine why anyone would say Godfather. Art, like Science has people that can't grasp it.
A quote; Art; in the end its all subjective, but in the beginning its all objective.
You can't successfully break the rules of art until you've mastered them. Picasso could sketch your face like a photograph. After learning all the rules and laws of drawing and painting, then he broke them and and decided to go abstract.
Illmatic is one of those pieces of art. Nothing by Em or Jay, or Kanye come close to something like that. I don't know if Kendrick's last album will be one of those. I may say in two weeks I was way off. But I know Nas, and Em and Jay's work very well and only Nas on one album ever reached that.
Tupac had songs that were masterpieces, but never an album, and that was mainly due to him making albums too long or having too many of his friends on them. Me Against the World gets ruined by filler and the Outlawz, but very well could have been a masterpiece. If Illmatic had 4 more tacks thrat were filler party songs and 3 or 4 guests on half the tracks it would have fell apart too.
Agree with all of that, other than 'Pac not having a masterpiece... lol. I think Me Against the World is, and Makaveli.
I mentioned this with my first listen review to the album, it's a masterpiece. This holds up against great music in general. When I think of Hip-Hop classics, Good Kid m.A.A.d City comes to mind, but To Pimp a Butterfly is an artist masterpiece. It doesn't mean the Hip-Hop community will see it as a Hip-Hop classic. But without a doubt, some albums are classics, but it doesn't mean they transcend to art, and some albums are artistically amazing, but it doesn't mean that it will be a classic.
But right now, this album is a masterpiece. Kendrick may have put out the album which solidifies him as the best reaper of his era. It's too soon to tell, but it wouldn't be a stretch. He speaks to many emotions, the struggle of black America, the inner workings of the industry and dealing with his own personal demons through all of this. It's a complex album which either ups the game or is ignored as everyone else does their own thing. I know this, for the first time since Eminem's Recovery album, I went out and bought a physical CD. I went and grabbed a copy because I feel so strongly about this album that I blew up his listens on Spotify and I bought the disc. I may never open that disc, but I wanted to make sure that album has at least one sale from me.
I might get bored of that album, but right now, I doubt it. There is so much to dissect that every time I listen I hear something new.
Me Against The World has masterpiece songs on it. It just doesn't string together quite right. Just cut a couple tracks and cut the Outlaw parts on the title track and its there. Its definitely as close as it gets. Makaveli is amazing too. It just falls a bit with the diss tracks. And even songs like Me and My Girlfriend, which I love the concept of and its put together fantastically, it just doesn't hit the high art soul of most of Me Against The World, or a lot of that album.
And the level of soul Pac hits on those tracks really shows how far ahead he was than the rest, then and now. Pac definitely had the capability and ability to release a high art masterpiece head to toe, but purposely got in the way of it it seemed to allow outside forces to influence the output.
I see where you are coming from. I can agree with MATW, though I judge that based on Hip-Hop albums of the time, and where Hip-Hop was. Outside of Illmatic, MATW was the closest a Hip-Hop artist got to masterpiece level. But the features did mess it up a bit and messed up the flow.
Now for Makaveli, I would argue that part of Hip-Hop is the diss record. Bomb First might have been the most lyrical diss record put out in the 90's. It was straight heat from 2Pac's part. But the Outlawz did come in and they weren't as good as 2Pac. And Against All Odds did seem a bit out of place. But as Hip-Hop albums, they'll go down as classics. So I see your point. I'd still argue Makaveli was a masterpiece when you look at the art form of rap music and the importance of the diss record. But I can see the counter point.
What's sad to remember, 2Pac was 25 when he died. Kendrick is a young artist now, and he's already 27. Drake is in his prime and he's 28. Jay-Z was 26 when he finally released Reasonable Doubt. And when 'Pac dies, every album was better than the last and you felt like his best work was still in the future. To see what 'Pac could have done if he was still alive might be the biggest question. Could he have put out that transformative album that he seemed so close to putting out, could he have reached his artist peak, when what we saw was already so far ahead of everyone else at the time?
But we have what we have, and for right now it's a look at how Kendrick stacks up. Like I mentioned, I'm not sure if this album will be seen as a Hip-Hop classic, but it's such a great piece of art that does that matter? I'm almost wondering if by labeling it a Hip-Hop classic, might that be too limiting to what Kendrick did? I don't know. Maybe? Maybe not? Maybe it's time to expect more from Hip-Hop. It think what Sccit fails to see is this album in the bigger picture. This album might be the classic Hip-Hop album that MATW is, or other great Hip-Hop albums, but what does that say about Hip-Hop as a genre? I don't know. But I hope other young artist step their game up.
it says hip hop is changing again evolving into something else the shit rappers will stick to the trap cause that's the only way they will be heard with people only caring bout the beat and of course the rappers doing that trap shit will have the same flow others will try to do their own thing but they better have charisma or they will be dead in the water and labeled as boring there's plenty of good and underrated rappers out there hope they can catch up to Kendrick cause he just set the bar even higher cause unlike the other rappers he doesn't need to make club/party or talk bout money and hoes in every song to sell he has the support of the people and that's what matters the most
i don't think there's anyone out there that has all the tools that can touch Kendrick right now if there is some one let it be known
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lol 2pac doesnt have a master piece but kendrick lamar does.......thats good
You purposely left out that I said Tupac's lack of masterpiece was done by his own hand. I said Pac was the better artist but let the poltics ruin his albums. If Kendrick had blatant dis tracks ln ths album or let his crew ruin songs by rapping in the middle of them then Butterfly would not be as good as MATW or Makaveli.
Kendrick's best attribute as rapper s knowing that no more verses or lines are needed.
2pac captured the essence of his life by including those features...made the album mroe organic+wouldnt have been the same without it. i havent heard the kendrick yet, but it sounds to me like youre sayin that albums should be more contrived. that was not 2pacs style and thats exactly why everything he touched was a masterpiece.
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loved the outro interview with pac, like it was a dream or something and that caterpillar evolving into a butterfly theory was pure madness....
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lol 2pac doesnt have a master piece but kendrick lamar does.......thats good
You purposely left out that I said Tupac's lack of masterpiece was done by his own hand. I said Pac was the better artist but let the poltics ruin his albums. If Kendrick had blatant dis tracks ln ths album or let his crew ruin songs by rapping in the middle of them then Butterfly would not be as good as MATW or Makaveli.
Kendrick's best attribute as rapper s knowing that no more verses or lines are needed.
2pac captured the essence of his life by including those features...made the album mroe organic+wouldnt have been the same without it. i havent heard the kendrick yet, but it sounds to me like youre sayin that albums should be more contrived. that was not 2pacs style and thats exactly why everything he touched was a masterpiece.
They don't have to be more contrived to be a masterpiece, but a masterpiece has to be as close to perfection as human art can get, and there are too many flaws, if only just a few, on Pac's albums.
Also contrived isnt a necessity, but concise is. Once you've said what you wanted to say, lyrically, and musically, you move on. Repeating the point, or prolonging it hurts the art. Think of the Mona Lisa. Davinci wanted to paint that half smile to entice the the viewer. It could mean refrained jubilation, happiness about to break, or even a fake smile for I know. He had an idea and a message he wanted to convey. If he had brought in his fucking homies to draw background people to further cement the emotion Leo was going for it would have taken away from from the picture and it would have fallen from Masterpiece to great portait.
Not every rap song has to be three 16 bar verses and three choruses. Some thing are said best shorter, some longer. Some can get too short some too long. Had All Eyez on Me been a single disc that ended with When We Ride and When We Ride had stopped suddenly at 1:01 it would have been far more artistically effective that it was with the 5 added dragging on minutes of the Outlaws and even still woul you would have ended the album yearning for more. Kind of like the last snippet of a verse on NY NY by Kurupt.
Its things like that, that the artist in a bubble would probably love to do, but his business side gets in the way. Had a record company came to Pac while in jail and said will let Johnny J come in and record an album with you and we want the best you can give us he would have come out with a masterpiece like no other. But when you tell a genius that he can help out his friends, defend a whole coast, and better make hits or the album won't be a success then you are asking for it to fall short.
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lol 2pac doesnt have a master piece but kendrick lamar does.......thats good
You purposely left out that I said Tupac's lack of masterpiece was done by his own hand. I said Pac was the better artist but let the poltics ruin his albums. If Kendrick had blatant dis tracks ln ths album or let his crew ruin songs by rapping in the middle of them then Butterfly would not be as good as MATW or Makaveli.
Kendrick's best attribute as rapper s knowing that no more verses or lines are needed.
2pac captured the essence of his life by including those features...made the album mroe organic+wouldnt have been the same without it. i havent heard the kendrick yet, but it sounds to me like youre sayin that albums should be more contrived. that was not 2pacs style and thats exactly why everything he touched was a masterpiece.
They don't have to be more contrived to be a masterpiece, but a masterpiece has to be as close to perfection as human art can get, and there are too many flaws, if only just a few, on Pac's albums.
Also contrived isnt a necessity, but concise is. Once you've said what you wanted to say, lyrically, and musically, you move on. Repeating the point, or prolonging it hurts the art. Think of the Mona Lisa. Davinci wanted to paint that half smile to entice the the viewer. It could mean refrained jubilation, happiness about to break, or even a fake smile for I know. He had an idea and a message he wanted to convey. If he had brought in his fucking homies to draw background people to further cement the emotion Leo was going for it would have taken away from from the picture and it would have fallen from Masterpiece to great portait.
Not every rap song has to be three 16 bar verses and three choruses. Some thing are said best shorter, some longer. Some can get too short some too long. Had All Eyez on Me been a single disc that ended with When We Ride and When We Ride had stopped suddenly at 1:01 it would have been far more artistically effective that it was with the 5 added dragging on minutes of the Outlaws and even still woul you would have ended the album yearning for more. Kind of like the last snippet of a verse on NY NY by Kurupt.
Its things like that, that the artist in a bubble would probably love to do, but his business side gets in the way. Had a record company came to Pac while in jail and said will let Johnny J come in and record an album with you and we want the best you can give us he would have come out with a masterpiece like no other. But when you tell a genius that he can help out his friends, defend a whole coast, and better make hits or the album won't be a success then you are asking for it to fall short.
i disagree...i think the organic feel of me against the world, and pretty much every pac album, is a contributing factor to it's natural feel. that's what made pac a class act...the rawness+the realness=the reason his shits classic. pac was not a mechanically contrived artist like kendrick (or even dr. dre for that matter). his greatness was in the feeling he captured, and havin the outlawz on his albums are a big reason they have that unmatched authentic feel. the energy created by pac is unrivaled, and part of that energy is comin from his lil homies. but you probably dont understand that, considering you're putting this kendrick album on top of any pac album ever made......opinions are like assholes, everybody got um. but in this instance, shit comin off rotten.
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i disagree...i think the organic feel of me against the world, and pretty much every pac album, is a contributing factor to it's natural feel. that's what made pac a class act...the rawness+the realness=the reason his shits classic. pac was not a mechanically contrived artist like kendrick (or even dr. dre for that matter). his greatness was in the feeling he captured, and havin the outlawz on his albums are a big reason they have that unmatched authentic feel. the energy created by pac is unrivaled, and part of that energy is comin from his lil homies. but you probably dont understand that, considering you're putting this kendrick album on top of any pac album ever made......opinions are like assholes, everybody got um. but in this instance, shit comin off rotten.
I could care less about the artist as far as the type of men they are when I am appreciating the art. I have no reference on Kendrick. I've never even heard his first album, even now. And I'm not debating whether or not Pac's natural class helped his albums naturally flow better. I'm saying the albums in questioned had too many flaws and detractors for me to consider them Masterpieces. Every time I pick up a Pac album I find my self skipping or fastforwarding way too often.
I won't use Butterfly as an example because its still fresh to my ears, but if I go a whole year without listening to Darkness on the Edge of Town and I sit and listen to it, I can't bring myself to stop until its done. I can't skip a track, get bored half way though a verse, or even disrupt the feeling by pressing rewind. Dude left Because The Night, and Fire off the album, two guaranteed top ten hits (and became hits for the artists he gave the tracks away too), because they didn't fit the theme and tone of the album.
Its not about contriving, or rigidly forcing yourself to keep a certain something the whole way, its about realizing you have perfection, and no amount of human regard, or personality, or style, or commerce should get in and ruin the entity that is perfect the way it is once you realize that it is. I can't imagine Pac saying I'm leaving those songs off the record when his manager, label mates, and producers are all begging him wit the notion that these hits will buy us bigger houses.
Its the difference between Nas in 94 and Nas in 96. In 94 he was striving for perfection and greatness, in 96 he was striving for stardom and fame. I can't say for sure that 94 Nas would have been the type to turn down hits. I'm saying Illmatic was what it was and never faltered.
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i disagree...i think the organic feel of me against the world, and pretty much every pac album, is a contributing factor to it's natural feel. that's what made pac a class act...the rawness+the realness=the reason his shits classic. pac was not a mechanically contrived artist like kendrick (or even dr. dre for that matter). his greatness was in the feeling he captured, and havin the outlawz on his albums are a big reason they have that unmatched authentic feel. the energy created by pac is unrivaled, and part of that energy is comin from his lil homies. but you probably dont understand that, considering you're putting this kendrick album on top of any pac album ever made......opinions are like assholes, everybody got um. but in this instance, shit comin off rotten.
I could care less about the artist as far as the type of men they are when I am appreciating the art. I have no reference on Kendrick. I've never even heard his first album, even now. And I'm not debating whether or not Pac's natural class helped his albums naturally flow better. I'm saying the albums in questioned had too many flaws and detractors for me to consider them Masterpieces. Every time I pick up a Pac album I find my self skipping or fastforwarding way too often.
I won't use Butterfly as an example because its still fresh to my ears, but if I go a whole year without listening to Darkness on the Edge of Town and I sit and listen to it, I can't bring myself to stop until its done. I can't skip a track, get bored half way though a verse, or even disrupt the feeling by pressing rewind. Dude left Because The Night, and Fire off the album, two guaranteed top ten hits (and became hits for the artists he gave the tracks away too), because they didn't fit the theme and tone of the album.
Its not about contriving, or rigidly forcing yourself to keep a certain something the whole way, its about realizing you have perfection, and no amount of human regard, or personality, or style, or commerce should get in and ruin the entity that is perfect the way it is once you realize that it is. I can't imagine Pac saying I'm leaving those songs off the record when his manager, label mates, and producers are all begging him wit the notion that these hits will buy us bigger houses.
Its the difference between Nas in 94 and Nas in 96. In 94 he was striving for perfection and greatness, in 96 he was striving for stardom and fame. I can't say for sure that 94 Nas would have been the type to turn down hits. I'm saying Illmatic was what it was and never faltered.
SOMETIMES, IT'S THE IMPERFECTIONS THAT MAKES SHIT JUST RIGHT
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Great album BTW, great replay value! good shit! Proper music
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Great album BTW, great replay value! good shit! Proper music
yeah lots of quality's in one missing today
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SOMETIMES, IT'S THE IMPERFECTIONS THAT MAKES SHIT JUST RIGHT
I agree, but I didn't use the word imperfection. I used the word flaw, and I used it on purpose. An imperfection is the little mole on Eva Mendez's cheek. Its beautiful and makes her more beautiful. A flaw would be a penis between Eva Mendez's legs. And thats what the Outlaws are on Me Against the World, a giant out of place penis between two masterpiece verses.
In a more serious and artistically related matter, an imperfection could be something like a slightly out of tune guitar creating the perfect sound of a note in the riff, or the rain drop shadows coming down the face of Robert Bl;ake's character at the end of the film. It was a mistake, and they were about to reshoot the scene because the first thing Director Richard Brooks saw were shadows from the rain interfering in the face shot, but after a few seconds he and cinematographer Conrad Hall realized it was perfect because the rain was doing the crying for the sad man that would not show emotion on the eve of his execution. Adding the Outlaws to a track is like ending a film with a 25 second dolly shot of your boys new clothing lime logo that h as nothing to do with the story of the film.
And I don't mean to harp on those guys. On tracks like Hit Em Up they come in perfectly, but on serious pieces of music they take away from the desired result.
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SOMETIMES, IT'S THE IMPERFECTIONS THAT MAKES SHIT JUST RIGHT
I agree, but I didn't use the word imperfection. I used the word flaw, and I used it on purpose. An imperfection is the little mole on Eva Mendez's cheek. Its beautiful and makes her more beautiful. A flaw would be a penis between Eva Mendez's legs. And thats what the Outlaws are on Me Against the World, a giant out of place penis between two masterpiece verses.
In a more serious and artistically related matter, an imperfection could be something like a slightly out of tune guitar creating the perfect sound of a note in the riff, or the rain drop shadows coming down the face of Robert Bl;ake's character at the end of the film. It was a mistake, and they were about to reshoot the scene because the first thing Director Richard Brooks saw were shadows from the rain interfering in the face shot, but after a few seconds he and cinematographer Conrad Hall realized it was perfect because the rain was doing the crying for the sad man that would not show emotion on the eve of his execution. Adding the Outlaws to a track is like ending a film with a 25 second dolly shot of your boys new clothing lime logo that h as nothing to do with the story of the film.
And I don't mean to harp on those guys. On tracks like Hit Em Up they come in perfectly, but on serious pieces of music they take away from the desired result.
well, there u go....if u see the outlawz as a cock (white man version), then there lies the problem. i see the outlawz as a mole or a raindrop shadow and i can genuinely feel what they bring to the table.
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Evolution of hip hop? nah. original guy with some original tunes? YES.
I love kendrick.
have since GKMC
but this album?
slightly overrated.
its like hiphop fans are so damn thirsty for good tunes that they over-rate albums that are "aiiiighhhhtt"
The Mona Lisa of hip hop this is not.
As a follow up to basically the hubub of Big Sean's record?
lackluster.
And I buy his albums, have love for Kdot, etc..
but I dont see the EVOLUTION of hip hop in this album.
my 2 cents.
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I'll only adress the Nas claim because Kanye isnt worth , my time.
Illmatic is what it is, a masterpiece. Everything else Nas did is far from a masterpiece. Butterfly is shaping up like it may be a masterpiece. So by logic, Butterfly is better. Jay has zero masterpieces. Neither does Em.
A classic album isn't always a masterpiece. Jay and Em have classics, not masterpieces, but very few artists have one. Springsteen has 2, but thats very rare.
I am open to the idea that Butterfly falls off with time. I thought Stillmatic was almost masterpiece when it came out. It has not hold up years later.
The major difference for me between Still and Butterfly was that at the height of my Jay Z hatred I desperately wanted to love the news Nas album and over hyped it to myself when it hit. Its still better than Blueprint but its not better than Written or I Am.
With Kendrick I was on a years long hip hop drought and looked for reasons to dislike it, and after first listen was ready to dismiss it. But with listen 2 and 3 it stood out to warrant listens 10 and 11.
I wont be ready to call it a masterpiece until I revisit it years from now and see how I feel then. With BTR and Darkness, or Illmatic, I revisit them once a year and feel as great about them everytime.
agree 100 percent about nas, disagree about em. I am not an EM fan. I never bump his shit since EARLY 2000's... but The Marshal Mathers EP was a masterpiece. Good from start to finish with dope production and lyrics.
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well, there u go....if u see the outlawz as a cock (white man version), then there lies the problem. i see the outlawz as a mole or a raindrop shadow and i can genuinely feel what they bring to the table.
If you genuinely feel that
See ladies in stores, Baby Capone's, livin wealthy
Pictures of my birth on this Earth is what I'm dreamin
Seein Daddy's semen, full of crooked demons, already crazy
placed in between;
Witnessin killings, leavin dead bodies in abandoned buildings
Can't raise the children cause they're illin
Addicted to killin and the appeal from the cap peelin
Without feelin, but will they last or be blasted?
Hard headed bastard
and this;
The question I wonder is after death, after my last breath
When will I finally get to rest? Through this supression
They punish the people that's askin questions
And those that possess, steal from the ones without possessions
The message I stress: to make it stop study your lessons
Don't settle for less - even a genius asks-es questions
Be grateful for blessings
makes the whole song better, and without Dramacydal the song would suffer, then more power to you, but there are more people on this earth than think Gary Fisher was more vital for the Lakers than Kobe, than there are that think the Oulaws were vital to the success of Tupac's artistic merit.
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well, there u go....if u see the outlawz as a cock (white man version), then there lies the problem. i see the outlawz as a mole or a raindrop shadow and i can genuinely feel what they bring to the table.
If you genuinely feel that
See ladies in stores, Baby Capone's, livin wealthy
Pictures of my birth on this Earth is what I'm dreamin
Seein Daddy's semen, full of crooked demons, already crazy
placed in between;
Witnessin killings, leavin dead bodies in abandoned buildings
Can't raise the children cause they're illin
Addicted to killin and the appeal from the cap peelin
Without feelin, but will they last or be blasted?
Hard headed bastard
and this;
The question I wonder is after death, after my last breath
When will I finally get to rest? Through this supression
They punish the people that's askin questions
And those that possess, steal from the ones without possessions
The message I stress: to make it stop study your lessons
Don't settle for less - even a genius asks-es questions
Be grateful for blessings
makes the whole song better, and without Dramacydal the song would suffer, then more power to you, but there are more people on this earth than think Gary Fisher was more vital for the Lakers than Kobe, than there are that think the Oulaws were vital to the success of Tupac's artistic merit.
I think you meant Derek Fisher lol but yea I know what you mean .. and those lyrics are all real to me. the Derek fisher analogy was actually perfect, because outlaws were the role players and pac was the star .. a sport fan like yourself should understand just how vital those role players are to the big picture.
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well, there u go....if u see the outlawz as a cock (white man version), then there lies the problem. i see the outlawz as a mole or a raindrop shadow and i can genuinely feel what they bring to the table.
If you genuinely feel that
See ladies in stores, Baby Capone's, livin wealthy
Pictures of my birth on this Earth is what I'm dreamin
Seein Daddy's semen, full of crooked demons, already crazy
placed in between;
Witnessin killings, leavin dead bodies in abandoned buildings
Can't raise the children cause they're illin
Addicted to killin and the appeal from the cap peelin
Without feelin, but will they last or be blasted?
Hard headed bastard
and this;
The question I wonder is after death, after my last breath
When will I finally get to rest? Through this supression
They punish the people that's askin questions
And those that possess, steal from the ones without possessions
The message I stress: to make it stop study your lessons
Don't settle for less - even a genius asks-es questions
Be grateful for blessings
makes the whole song better, and without Dramacydal the song would suffer, then more power to you, but there are more people on this earth than think Gary Fisher was more vital for the Lakers than Kobe, than there are that think the Oulaws were vital to the success of Tupac's artistic merit.
I think you meant Derek Fisher lol but yea I know what you mean .. and those lyrics are all real to me. the Derek fisher analogy was actually perfect, because outlaws were the role players and pac was the star .. a sport fan like yourself should understand just how vital those sport fans are to the big picture.
Actually I meant Gary Payton.
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Evolution of hip hop? nah. original guy with some original tunes? YES.
I love kendrick.
have since GKMC
but this album?
slightly overrated.
its like hiphop fans are so damn thirsty for good tunes that they over-rate albums that are "aiiiighhhhtt"
The Mona Lisa of hip hop this is not.
As a follow up to basically the hubub of Big Sean's record?
lackluster.
And I buy his albums, have love for Kdot, etc..
but I dont see the EVOLUTION of hip hop in this album.
my 2 cents.
are you saying you never heard nothing before GKMC?
as far as em and his 3rd album goes it was a good album prob his best album but no masterpiece em is very overrated and if it wasn't for the fact that hes white he would be just like any other rapper
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TPAB has me re-visiting some old dj quik and man, im just smoking to it and it sounds amazing 8) got me 2 stepping, high and shit
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TPAB has me re-visiting some old dj quik and man, im just smoking to it and it sounds amazing 8) got me 2 stepping, high and shit
true that ever since TPAB dropped i been wanting to revisit older music
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The more I listen to the TPAB , the more I love one and find smth new
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So after listening to this album for a couple weeks...and then going back and listening to GKMC, Section 80 and Overly Dedicated...
It's not a bad album. But its my least favorite from him. His flow has degraded and the beats aren't as good to me. And he continues the use of weird voices, which I wish he would stop. Still a decent album but I don't like the direction he's going in.
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So after listening to this album for a couple weeks...and then going back and listening to GKMC, Section 80 and Overly Dedicated...
It's not a bad album. But its my least favorite from him. His flow has degraded and the beats aren't as good to me. And he continues the use of weird voices, which I wish he would stop. Still a decent album but I don't like the direction he's going in.
agreed bout the weird voices
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SOMETIMES, IT'S THE IMPERFECTIONS THAT MAKES SHIT JUST RIGHT
I agree, but I didn't use the word imperfection. I used the word flaw, and I used it on purpose. An imperfection is the little mole on Eva Mendez's cheek. Its beautiful and makes her more beautiful. A flaw would be a penis between Eva Mendez's legs. And thats what the Outlaws are on Me Against the World, a giant out of place penis between two masterpiece verses.
And I don't mean to harp on those guys. On tracks like Hit Em Up they come in perfectly, but on serious pieces of music they take away from the desired result.
well, there u go....if u see the outlawz as a cock (white man version), then there lies the problem. i see the outlawz as a mole or a raindrop shadow and i can genuinely feel what they bring to the table.
Sccit, what it boils down to in Shallow's eyes is that 2pac is a nigger, and niggers are too sloppy and flawed and can't make classic albums. You know he's bumping the shit out of rap music in comparison to rock music, but in any debate he will play down hip-hop as inferior—because after all it is nigger music, right? So it must be flawed. That's why when he names classic, perfect albums he always references some obscure Rock Band that college frat boys listen to—or Pink Floyd or some shit like that.
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Tell em Brian
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Calling this a masterpiece is crazy to me..im just glad im not the only one here who see it as overrated
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Calling this a masterpiece is crazy to me..im just glad im not the only one here who see it as overrated
I'm with you dawg... I ain't bumped anything Kendricks done except "The Recipe" and that's only because that was a Detox leftover
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Calling this a masterpiece is crazy to me..im just glad im not the only one here who see it as overrated
I'm with you dawg... I ain't bumped anything Kendricks done except "The Recipe" and that's only because that was a Detox leftover
so you don't even checked his new album, but made your final opinion about kendrick?
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SOMETIMES, IT'S THE IMPERFECTIONS THAT MAKES SHIT JUST RIGHT
I agree, but I didn't use the word imperfection. I used the word flaw, and I used it on purpose. An imperfection is the little mole on Eva Mendez's cheek. Its beautiful and makes her more beautiful. A flaw would be a penis between Eva Mendez's legs. And thats what the Outlaws are on Me Against the World, a giant out of place penis between two masterpiece verses.
And I don't mean to harp on those guys. On tracks like Hit Em Up they come in perfectly, but on serious pieces of music they take away from the desired result.
well, there u go....if u see the outlawz as a cock (white man version), then there lies the problem. i see the outlawz as a mole or a raindrop shadow and i can genuinely feel what they bring to the table.
Sccit, what it boils down to in Shallow's eyes is that 2pac is a nigger, and niggers are too sloppy and flawed and can't make classic albums. You know he's bumping the shit out of rap music in comparison to rock music, but in any debate he will play down hip-hop as inferior—because after all it is nigger music, right? So it must be flawed. That's why when he names classic, perfect albums he always references some obscure Rock Band that college frat boys listen to—or Pink Floyd or some shit like that.
Lol you look for any excuse possible to drop the word "nigger" in some form or another.
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Calling this a masterpiece is crazy to me..im just glad im not the only one here who see it as overrated
I'm with you dawg... I ain't bumped anything Kendricks done except "The Recipe" and that's only because that was a Detox leftover
lmao stay out of Kendrick threads from here on out
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Calling this a masterpiece is crazy to me..im just glad im not the only one here who see it as overrated
I'm with you dawg... I ain't bumped anything Kendricks done except "The Recipe" and that's only because that was a Detox leftover
lmao stay out of Kendrick threads from here on out
if u think he gets hated here, go check the coli
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Calling this a masterpiece is crazy to me..im just glad im not the only one here who see it as overrated
I'm with you dawg... I ain't bumped anything Kendricks done except "The Recipe" and that's only because that was a Detox leftover
that cause ur one of those one minded stuck in the past retards
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that cause ur one of those one minded stuck in the past
Yes, I am a permanent resident of 1996 pre-Sept. 13th
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Man, I can't just be sitting back say hip-hop after Sept. 13, 1996 is dead. Life goes on. That shit Nas did at the end of Stillmatic, that shit had me on some pure hip-hop shit. Immortal Technique, that's some hip-hop shit. Talib Kweli, all of that shit. Hip-Hop evolves and moves on. After Kendrick's new album, I look forward to what's next for that young man. I think he's only scratched the surface.
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that cause ur one of those one minded stuck in the past
Yes, I am a permanent resident of 1996 pre-Sept. 13th
then you need to step your ass out this thread cause you dont belong here you should be in the threads of the old and washed up :D
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that cause ur one of those one minded stuck in the past
Yes, I am a permanent resident of 1996 pre-Sept. 13th
you're either washed up to the max or mentally ill, either case seek immediate help
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TPAB was good , I like it better than GKMC . But I think KENDRICK can do better than this.
STAND OUT SONGS
1. YOU AINT GOTTA LIE TO KICK IT 8)
2. KING KUNTA
3. ALRIGHT
4. HOOD POLITICS
5. COMPLEXION 8)
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Man, I can't just be sitting back say hip-hop after Sept. 13, 1996 is dead. Life goes on. That shit Nas did at the end of Stillmatic, that shit had me on some pure hip-hop shit. Immortal Technique, that's some hip-hop shit. Talib Kweli, all of that shit. Hip-Hop evolves and moves on. After Kendrick's new album, I look forward to what's next for that young man. I think he's only scratched the surface.
Yeah there was a resurgence after Em came out in early 99 and it lasted up through the Get Rich or Die Trying album