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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on June 14, 2015, 07:52:51 PM
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I kind of wondered this, because I was always taught this was a foul growing up. I know Jordan did it some, but now it is the status quo. Every player, especially the star players like Lebron are allowed to use their off hand to just push people off of them to free themselves up for a shot and this is never called.
The other one I don't get is that as long as Lebron is back in he is allowed to use full force to go backwards into the defender all the way to the goal. This also was taught to be a foul growing up but is not called now in the NBA. If a player was going forward, face first it would definitely be called, but now it's like as long as the back is turned, he can back in as hard as he wants and it's not a foul?
...has anybody else noticed this, and am I right that these are indeed fouls that are just not called anymore in the NBA?
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I think these unofficial rules stayed with Jordan as they never called offensive fouls inn him ever. From there as stars became bigger and more physical, it became more obvious. Starting with Shaq and especially with LeBron, stars just never got fouls called on them. Shaq didn't push off though, but other physical stars did, and they got away with it too.
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good question infinite
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Shaq didn't push off though, but other physical stars did, and they got away with it too.
Yeah... I did think Shaq sometimes backed straight in just running over guys and sometimes he would get away with it... but compared to what I see guys like Lebron doing now I would say Shaq was playing within the rules.
...According to the rules, a charge is when the defensive player is in a set position, the defensive player has a right to that position and the offensive player can not just go into him and move him backwards—however the way it is called now as long as the offensive player has his back turned its as if he has free license to back in as hard as he wants whenever he wants and just run over a defensive man in a set position.
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only Lebron is allowed because he is the leagues golden child. it's even a foul on the opposing team half the time.
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Shaq didn't push off though, but other physical stars did, and they got away with it too.
Yeah... I did think Shaq sometimes backed straight in just running over guys and sometimes he would get away with it... but compared to what I see guys like Lebron doing now I would say Shaq was playing within the rules.
...According to the rules, a charge is when the defensive player is in a set position, the defensive player has a right to that position and the offensive player can not just go into him and move him backwards—however the way it is called now as long as the offensive player has his back turned its as if he has free license to back in as hard as he wants whenever he wants and just run over a defensive man in a set position.
only Lebron is allowed because he is the leagues golden child. it's even a foul on the opposing team half the time.
I agree that in today's game, it's worse than it's ever been, and with LeBron it's worse than I've ever seen a star get special treatment. Second only to Jordan, LeBron might be the most favored by the refs player I'd ever seen play. I still don't ever remember an offensive foul being called on Michael Jordan. But at least in Jordan's days, it went both ways and Jordan didn't flop when someone pushed off him.
https://www.youtube.com/v/hddYKP5XYac
Now that I think about it, LeBron would have flopped on this play and got the push off called. I think I change my mind. It could be LeBron is the most favored player in NBA history. I never thought I'd see a player more favored than MJ, but I think we may have it.
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^Do you actually watch the playoffs? LeBron gets his share of offensive fouls and rarely gets to the line without being severly hacked. Difference is also that LeBron is much stronger than Jordan or Kobe. So if you hack them, they fall to the ground. If you hack LeBron, he might miss the lay-up, but he stays firmly in the air. With that said superstars always get special treatment. You couldn't breathe on D-Wade in the 2006 Finals without sending him to the line. Shaq got extra FTs in the 2006 Finals if he missed. You couldn't stand near Durant if he shot a jumper and missed during his emergence as a top tier superstar.
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^Do you actually watch the playoffs? LeBron gets his share of offensive fouls and rarely gets to the line without being severly hacked. Difference is also that LeBron is much stronger than Jordan or Kobe. So if you hack them, they fall to the ground. If you hack LeBron, he might miss the lay-up, but he stays firmly in the air. With that said superstars always get special treatment. You couldn't breathe on D-Wade in the 2006 Finals without sending him to the line. Shaq got extra FTs in the 2006 Finals if he missed. You couldn't stand near Durant if he shot a jumper and missed during his emergence as a top tier superstar.
Okay, never getting called is a bit of a stretch. But getting called to the level he's suppose to, no, he doesn't get called for offensive fouls like he should. Not even close.
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^Do you actually watch the playoffs? LeBron gets his share of offensive fouls and rarely gets to the line without being severly hacked. Difference is also that LeBron is much stronger than Jordan or Kobe. So if you hack them, they fall to the ground. If you hack LeBron, he might miss the lay-up, but he stays firmly in the air.
WTF ARE U TALKING ABOUT? LEBRON IS THE FLOPPIEST, FLIMSIEST BITCH OUT THERE...FOR HIS SIZE, IT'S EMBARRASSING. EVEN BOGUT WAS MAKING FUN OF HOW HE FELL INTO THE CAMERA MAN BECAUSE OF HOW HE TRIED TO SELL CONTACT.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/playoffs/2015/06/12/andrew-bogut-lebron-james-injury/71107710/
(http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/BronFlop.gif)
(http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/lebron-flop-3.gif)
(http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc368/aarrkkii/8.gif)
(http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/lebron-flop-3.gif)
(http://i.minus.com/igXOMGc9RVy9K.gif)
HE SAID "FIRM" LMAO
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^I'm talking about the 2015 playoffs, during which he in fact does not get the ref treatment he is used to. You know damn well a lot of calls COULD have been made in his favor, and had been in the past. For some reason they don't blow the whistle right now. And if someone plays in over a 1000 NBA games and is scrutinized the way LeBron simply is, it is only normal that such gifs exist.
(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/531732e56da8116c7b509783/wade-flop.gif)
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^I'm talking about the 2015 playoffs, during which he in fact does not get the ref treatment he is used to. You know damn well a lot of calls COULD have been made in his favor, and had been in the past. For some reason they don't blow the whistle right now. And if someone plays in over a 1000 NBA games and is scrutinized the way LeBron simply is, it is only normal that such gifs exist.
(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/531732e56da8116c7b509783/wade-flop.gif)
find me gifs of kobe flopping like a little bitchboy ala lebron........lebron reacts to contact like a homosexual male, and u know it.
as for these playoffs, lebron's been getting calls in his favor left and right....there has been so many times where he dips in with his elbow and the foul was whistled on the defender as opposed to the correct offensive foul bein called, or times where iguodala clearly stripped him clean and was still whistled for a foul....or a pivotal play in game 3 where he flat out tackled stephen curry and didnt get blown for the whistle. lebron has gotten the benefit of the whistle more than james harden in these playoffs.
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https://www.youtube.com/v/NKuKCst6wms https://www.youtube.com/v/uQ79ESTOBBM https://www.youtube.com/v/eWbEFmC8APY
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This nigga's tryna talk about getting calls....
CAN YOU IMAGINE what would be written on this forum if LeBron was awarded a ring, while playing second fiddle to a superior player, WHILE this happened...
https://www.youtube.com/v/cxTjOPImyts
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This nigga's tryna talk about getting calls....
CAN YOU IMAGINE what would be written on this forum if LeBron was awarded a ring, while playing second fiddle to a superior player, WHILE this happened...
https://www.youtube.com/v/cxTjOPImyts
it's already been proven that the series was reffed to go to 7 games, not for the lakers to win...game 5 was reffed in sacramentos favor. game 6 was reffed in LA's favor. and game 7 was reffed evenly. lebron LOST as a second fiddle (see 2011)
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https://www.youtube.com/v/NKuKCst6wms https://www.youtube.com/v/uQ79ESTOBBM https://www.youtube.com/v/eWbEFmC8APY
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lmao none of these are even close to the lebron gifs i posted....u just posted a buncha youtubes of him losing his footing and flailing his arms on follow throughs. lebron literally reacts to contact like the stereotypical homosexual male. compare and contracts.
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So a flops not a flop? lmfao. Tries too hard.
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LEBRON AND KOBE ARE NOWHERE NEAR THE SAME STRATOSPHERE WHEN IT COMES TO SELLING CONTACT...LEBRON IS MUCH BIGGER THAN KOBE, BUT YOU WOULD THINK IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND BASED ON HOW BOTH REACT TO CONTACT. LEBRON IS IN THE JAMES HARDEN ECHELON OF FLOPPING.
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Kobe has that old school mentality that didn't sell the foul. What's funny is that Derek Fisher was drafted the same year as Kobe, and Fisher was great at drawing fouls and selling them. But Kobe himself just didn't. Kobe was old school, maybe that's just part of going straight to the NBA and watching old NBA tapes, where as Fisher went to 4 years of college and in the early-90's colleges were teaching to draw fouls more. And these players who go through AAU basketball now all seem to be taught to draw fouls and flop.
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Kobe has that old school mentality that didn't sell the foul. What's funny is that Derek Fisher was drafted the same year as Kobe, and Fisher was great at drawing fouls and selling them. But Kobe himself just didn't. Kobe was old school, maybe that's just part of going straight to the NBA and watching old NBA tapes, where as Fisher went to 4 years of college and in the early-90's colleges were teaching to draw fouls more. And these players who go through AAU basketball now all seem to be taught to draw fouls and flop.
Sometimes you talk like you're living in a world of your own. Kobe screams like a bitch whenever he misses a layup and contact was there.
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Kobe has that old school mentality that didn't sell the foul. What's funny is that Derek Fisher was drafted the same year as Kobe, and Fisher was great at drawing fouls and selling them. But Kobe himself just didn't. Kobe was old school, maybe that's just part of going straight to the NBA and watching old NBA tapes, where as Fisher went to 4 years of college and in the early-90's colleges were teaching to draw fouls more. And these players who go through AAU basketball now all seem to be taught to draw fouls and flop.
Sometimes you talk like you're living in a world of your own. Kobe screams like a bitch whenever he misses a layup and contact was there.
Key note, contact was there. But he doesn't flop. He just points it out to the ref to make sure they see the foul. He doesn't flop to the floor like a fish outta water.
AAU basketball has ruined physical play.
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Kobe has that old school mentality that didn't sell the foul. What's funny is that Derek Fisher was drafted the same year as Kobe, and Fisher was great at drawing fouls and selling them. But Kobe himself just didn't. Kobe was old school, maybe that's just part of going straight to the NBA and watching old NBA tapes, where as Fisher went to 4 years of college and in the early-90's colleges were teaching to draw fouls more. And these players who go through AAU basketball now all seem to be taught to draw fouls and flop.
Sometimes you talk like you're living in a world of your own. Kobe screams like a bitch whenever he misses a layup and contact was there.
u mean "heyyyy!"? that's hardly comparable to the homosexual antics I pointed out, wit proof provided via gifs
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So a flop is not a flop?
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not at all....some flops are a lot more homosexual in nature than others
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So a flop is not a flop?
A flop is an action, not a sound.
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https://www.youtube.com/v/uQ79ESTOBBM#t=10
KOBE DIVACZZZZZ
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LOL HE SO DESPERATE TO FIND KOBE FLOPS THAT HE HAD TO POST THE SAME VIDEO TWICE.
MEANWHILE, THERES AN ENTIRE COMPILATION OF LEBRON FLOPS ON YOUTUBE:
https://www.youtube.com/v/4fSlLdXNzPw
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LMAO. The first two plays in that video are of him getting hit straight in the face. Yeah, maybe selling that he did, but no different than Kobe touching jerseys with a defender on a jumper & flailing.
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U REALLY TRYNA ARGUE THAT LEBRON ISN'T A MUCH, MUCH BIGGER FLOP THAN KOBE? HOW MANY FLOPS HAS KOBE BEEN FINED FOR?? LOL THIS IS BECOMING WAY OVER-THE-TOP CUZZCUZZ