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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Connection => Topic started by: love33 on March 18, 2017, 11:27:09 PM
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It's really close to impossible to find the Crooked I Tour Dates -- he did the show this week in Ft Worth & Austin (Austin show was for their radio station with a grip of artists, Ft Worth was his headlined show) -- does anyone have the dates he's performing?? It's so bizarre that we can't easily find this out with a guy who's signed to AFTERMATH!
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It's so bizarre that we can't easily find this out with a guy who's signed to AFTERMATH!
He isn't signed to Aftermath.
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He isn't signed to Aftermath.
Who is he signed to? Also, the only tour date I could find coming up is in AUSTIN, Texas with a bunch of artists -- It's amazing that nobody seems to have much info on his tour dates?
https://www.stubhub.com/siesta-festival-tickets-siesta-fest-2017-wednesday-only-san-antonio-alamo-city-music-hall-4-26-2017/event/9836600/?mbox=1&sort=price+asc
Was the Ft Worth show the only SOLO show he has done in the last few months?
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He isn't signed to Aftermath.
Who is he signed to? Also, the only tour date I could find coming up is in AUSTIN, Texas with a bunch of artists -- It's amazing that nobody seems to have much info on his tour dates?
https://www.stubhub.com/siesta-festival-tickets-siesta-fest-2017-wednesday-only-san-antonio-alamo-city-music-hall-4-26-2017/event/9836600/?mbox=1&sort=price+asc
Was the Ft Worth show the only SOLO show he has done in the last few months?
Slaughterhouse is signed to Shady, not Crooked I.
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This is a serious question though -- assuming he's not just going to fall back on Slaughterhouse shit for most of it, what "hits" would Crooked I perform at said concert? I can name off a bunch of his songs but I just don't see him as being a concert worthy act.
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This is a serious question though -- assuming he's not just going to fall back on Slaughterhouse shit for most of it, what "hits" would Crooked I perform at said concert? I can name off a bunch of his songs but I just don't see him as being a concert worthy act.
He starts off spittin heat verses and freestyles, and he performs a bunch of stuff off "Good vs. Evil", he tells stories about his career, being young and broke from Long Beach, gettin hated on by the man, and Virgin Records to workin with Snoop Dogg, Death Row, the studio gettin shot up, bein in the studio til the sun comes up with Suge Knight, how he was on the label and gave every damn thing in his soul for that label, play a couple tracks, and Aftermath and everything that went down, and talk about Dr. Dre how great he is, -- he performs tracks by fan request so if you ask him to perform "I Love The Ghetto To Death", "Gangstas Holiday," or "Gd up and Banged Out" or "Death Row House Party" (some have requested these in LA shows in particular), they will spin it if they have it and he'll do a little bit of it and tell the story behind it, then go to the next track (mix in some newer stuff) -- But mostly it's been his Aftermath/Shady stuff, he's promoting his "Good vs Evil" album, He has a ton of stuff to perform, he mixes freestyles in too -- there were a bunch of unknown rappers with him in Ft Worth (I think they were Texas local talent, I'm not up on who all the Texas local acts are, but Tha Realest & Young Doobie who live right in that area in Grand Prarie & Oak Cliff, were not at the show, it would've been cool if he brought out his old friends and did a surprise reunion)
I don't get why he's not out on the road pushing himself HARD allover the USA -- he's in his 30s, that's when you really push yourself as an artist and make that house show money...he should be headlining shows or being the #2 or #3 act on shows 4 nights a week --
doing this one show here or there on a Tuesday night and a little mini-mention on Twitter doesn't really cut it (he could be right in your backyard and you could miss it!) -- His promotion sucks (actually, there is no promotion, so it just sucks) -- he could do so much more -- artists like DJ Quik, Too Short, Ice Cube, etc. -- they put their shit out hard on the net and they grind on the road hard for 3-4 months and just go city to city across the map and they make money -- like Crook has connections, he could have been doing some performance at Spring Break at Panama City Beach, South Padre Island, Daytona, Ft Lauderdale -- Lil Jon, for example, he hits Spring Break hard and does PCB, Padre, etc. -- cats like Juicy J, T-Pain, & Ying Yang Twinz headline shows at Spring Break, and he is no where to be found, like right now he could be at Miami Music Week -- really makes no sense how he markets himself!
When I was in Texas that week, I checked the classic throwback hip-hop station (they have an awesome throwback hip-hop station that plays E-40, Too Short, Dogg Pound, Scarface, Montel Jordan, Master P, 2Pac, etc. on it -- http://boom945.com/listen-live/ ), and I checked their new stations and there was ZERO promo about Crooked I playing right in town!
Hopefully Kxng Crooked will post up the concert on Youtube from Ft Worth that he just headlined -- he was also in Austin and San Antonio but he didn't headline those events they were pushed as local radio stations with a grip of artists -- He's a great act live but he seriously needs to promote himself -- it's ridiculous that even us hardcore fans can't find hardly anything on what's coming up or where he's at (he could be in your city tomorrow and you might not even know the promotion is so bad)
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Crook will often post upcoming show dates on his Twitter (http://www.twitter.com/CrookedIntriago)
I do my best to post them as they are announced at The Boss Board.
I'm revamping the whole concert section in a week or so, stay tuned for that.
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Crook is generally terrible with promoting anything...whether it is a new album, shows he's doing or the infinite number of features he constantly keeps doing for other projects.... Makes it really difficult for fans to get a hold of everything he's on. >:(
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He starts off spittin heat verses and freestyles, and he performs a bunch of stuff off "Good vs. Evil", he tells stories about his career, being young and broke from Long Beach, gettin hated on by the man, and Virgin Records to workin with Snoop Dogg, Death Row, the studio gettin shot up, bein in the studio til the sun comes up with Suge Knight, how he was on the label and gave every damn thing in his soul for that label, play a couple tracks, and Aftermath and everything that went down, and talk about Dr. Dre how great he is, -- he performs tracks by fan request so if you ask him to perform "I Love The Ghetto To Death", "Gangstas Holiday," or "Gd up and Banged Out" or "Death Row House Party" (some have requested these in LA shows in particular), they will spin it if they have it and he'll do a little bit of it and tell the story behind it.
Dude, you can’t expect shows to be booked like a playlist for a superfan’s personal concert. You generally don’t keep stopping your set to do “VH1 Storytellers” when you’re in that position. People go to concerts to hear music, not to hear the artist explain how the music was recorded.
There were a bunch of unknown rappers with him in Ft Worth (I think they were Texas local talent, I'm not up on who all the Texas local acts are, but Tha Realest & Young Doobie who live right in that area in Grand Prarie & Oak Cliff, were not at the show, it would've been cool if he brought out his old friends and did a surprise reunion)
Yes, that is generally how it works. They grab a bunch of young guys from the area. In exchange for putting them on, the local acts sell tickets to all their friends who live in the area. Established names cost money.
Tha Realest & Young Doobie who live right in that area in Grand Prarie & Oak Cliff, were not at the show, it would've been cool if he brought out his old friends and did a surprise reunion.
Few points here. Just because they “live” in the area does not mean they are sitting home, bored, waiting for something to do. Just because they recorded music on the same label, seventeen years ago, doesn’t mean, they are “old friends”.
And a “surprise reunion” of what? Unreleased music from a defunct label that people on message boards use to trade MP3’s of?
I don't get why he's not out on the road pushing himself HARD allover the USA -- he's in his 30s, that's when you really push yourself as an artist and make that house show money...he should be headlining shows or being the #2 or #3 act on shows 4 nights a week --
doing this one show here or there on a Tuesday night and a little mini-mention on Twitter doesn't really cut it (he could be right in your backyard and you could miss it!)
This is actually how the majority of rappers grind.
His promotion sucks (actually, there is no promotion, so it just sucks) -- he could do so much more -- artists like DJ Quik, Too Short, Ice Cube, etc. -- they put their shit out hard on the net and they grind on the road hard for 3-4 months and just go city to city across the map and they make money.
You’re talking about artists with much bigger names, much deeper catalogs, significantly longer careers, and bigger fanbases. It should also be noted that even they don’t go “city to city across the map”. Quik and Short generally don’t do many shows in the East Coast.
Crook has connections, he could have been doing some performance at Spring Break at Panama City Beach, South Padre Island, Daytona, Ft Lauderdale -- Lil Jon, for example, he hits Spring Break hard and does PCB, Padre, etc. -- cats like Juicy J, T-Pain, & Ying Yang Twinz headline shows at Spring Break, and he is no where to be found, like right now he could be at Miami Music Week -- really makes no sense how he markets himself!
Lil Jon is a household name. He has a multi-platinum fanbase. If Crooked could be playing Miami Music Week, he would. It has nothing to do with how he markets himself. Has he ever even played in Miami before?
When I was in Texas that week, I checked the classic throwback hip-hop station (they have an awesome throwback hip-hop station that plays E-40, Too Short, Dogg Pound, Scarface, Montel Jordan, Master P, 2Pac, etc. on it -- http://boom945.com/listen-live/ ), and I checked their new stations and there was ZERO promo about Crooked I playing right in town!
Unless the radio stations are promoting the event, why would there be any promo for it at all? We live in the social media age. Most people don’t sit around listening to the radio to hear about concerts in their cities, they hear about it on Facebook event pages that the venues create or that the artists share themselves on their Facebook/Twitter pages.
He's a great act live but he seriously needs to promote himself -- it's ridiculous that even us hardcore fans can't find hardly anything on what's coming up or where he's at (he could be in your city tomorrow and you might not even know the promotion is so bad)
Most regular concert goers are dialed into the venues they regularly buy tickets to on social media platforms. From the sounds of things, he’s not part of an official tour.
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He starts off spittin heat verses and freestyles, and he performs a bunch of stuff off "Good vs. Evil", he tells stories about his career, being young and broke from Long Beach, gettin hated on by the man, and Virgin Records to workin with Snoop Dogg, Death Row, the studio gettin shot up, bein in the studio til the sun comes up with Suge Knight, how he was on the label and gave every damn thing in his soul for that label, play a couple tracks, and Aftermath and everything that went down, and talk about Dr. Dre how great he is, -- he performs tracks by fan request so if you ask him to perform "I Love The Ghetto To Death", "Gangstas Holiday," or "Gd up and Banged Out" or "Death Row House Party" (some have requested these in LA shows in particular), they will spin it if they have it and he'll do a little bit of it and tell the story behind it.
Dude, you can’t expect shows to be booked like a playlist for a superfan’s personal concert. You generally don’t keep stopping your set to do “VH1 Storytellers” when you’re in that position. People go to concerts to hear music, not to hear the artist explain how the music was recorded.
There were a bunch of unknown rappers with him in Ft Worth (I think they were Texas local talent, I'm not up on who all the Texas local acts are, but Tha Realest & Young Doobie who live right in that area in Grand Prarie & Oak Cliff, were not at the show, it would've been cool if he brought out his old friends and did a surprise reunion)
Yes, that is generally how it works. They grab a bunch of young guys from the area. In exchange for putting them on, the local acts sell tickets to all their friends who live in the area. Established names cost money.
Tha Realest & Young Doobie who live right in that area in Grand Prarie & Oak Cliff, were not at the show, it would've been cool if he brought out his old friends and did a surprise reunion.
Few points here. Just because they “live” in the area does not mean they are sitting home, bored, waiting for something to do. Just because they recorded music on the same label, seventeen years ago, doesn’t mean, they are “old friends”.
And a “surprise reunion” of what? Unreleased music from a defunct label that people on message boards use to trade MP3’s of?
I don't get why he's not out on the road pushing himself HARD allover the USA -- he's in his 30s, that's when you really push yourself as an artist and make that house show money...he should be headlining shows or being the #2 or #3 act on shows 4 nights a week --
doing this one show here or there on a Tuesday night and a little mini-mention on Twitter doesn't really cut it (he could be right in your backyard and you could miss it!)
This is actually how the majority of rappers grind.
His promotion sucks (actually, there is no promotion, so it just sucks) -- he could do so much more -- artists like DJ Quik, Too Short, Ice Cube, etc. -- they put their shit out hard on the net and they grind on the road hard for 3-4 months and just go city to city across the map and they make money.
You’re talking about artists with much bigger names, much deeper catalogs, significantly longer careers, and bigger fanbases. It should also be noted that even they don’t go “city to city across the map”. Quik and Short generally don’t do many shows in the East Coast.
Crook has connections, he could have been doing some performance at Spring Break at Panama City Beach, South Padre Island, Daytona, Ft Lauderdale -- Lil Jon, for example, he hits Spring Break hard and does PCB, Padre, etc. -- cats like Juicy J, T-Pain, & Ying Yang Twinz headline shows at Spring Break, and he is no where to be found, like right now he could be at Miami Music Week -- really makes no sense how he markets himself!
Lil Jon is a household name. He has a multi-platinum fanbase. If Crooked could be playing Miami Music Week, he would. It has nothing to do with how he markets himself. Has he ever even played in Miami before?
When I was in Texas that week, I checked the classic throwback hip-hop station (they have an awesome throwback hip-hop station that plays E-40, Too Short, Dogg Pound, Scarface, Montel Jordan, Master P, 2Pac, etc. on it -- http://boom945.com/listen-live/ ), and I checked their new stations and there was ZERO promo about Crooked I playing right in town!
Unless the radio stations are promoting the event, why would there be any promo for it at all? We live in the social media age. Most people don’t sit around listening to the radio to hear about concerts in their cities, they hear about it on Facebook event pages that the venues create or that the artists share themselves on their Facebook/Twitter pages.
He's a great act live but he seriously needs to promote himself -- it's ridiculous that even us hardcore fans can't find hardly anything on what's coming up or where he's at (he could be in your city tomorrow and you might not even know the promotion is so bad)
Most regular concert goers are dialed into the venues they regularly buy tickets to on social media platforms. From the sounds of things, he’s not part of an official tour.
First off, I'm wondering if anyone saw him in Austin on March 31st (it was a FRIDAY Night) -- He had 2 cats I never heard of touring with him - J Soulja and Deezy Brown
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Your diss to Doobie & Tha Realest: they were on the Death Row Records together, arguably the greatest most well known Gangsta Rap label of all time -- they were on the MTV commercial for Chronic 2000 -- they weren't in their basements trading MP3s when that was going on -- Doobie has himself on Dr. Dre tracks and Tha Realest on 2Pac material (how many people in their basement can say that?) -- Artists do reunions sometimes in low keys spots like this -- Why wouldn't Doobie & Realest come out and join Crooked? I've seen west coast acts where Tha Relativez are called on stage, or Ya Boy shows up -- just some random surprise acts -- I saw a Too Short concert one time in San Diego and CPO Boss Hog from Death Row Records showed up and did a couple opening tracks -- It's nice to see great reunions like on New Years Eve on FOX when they had all the old school acts like Treach, Scarface, Pitbull, Snoop, and Daz was DJing --
As far as that local radio station (follow that link and listen to it), they actually advertise local concerts on there ---> they did a lot of advertising for Mystikal, Juicy J, OT Genasys, 112, And K-Ci & JoJo -- I was surprised Crooked didn't get an advertisement in on that station considering they play a lot of Death Row and West Coast tracks!
Also, his style of story telling about his life, and then going into songs (sort of like a documentary, he only does it when he headlines otherwise he becomes a role player) -- I think that's kinda cool -- he talks about cats he knew that are in jail, starting out on Virgin, the struggle with Death Row -- I think he gets too political sometimes to be fair -- I don't want to sit at a concert to hear his politics, but I love his music and his raw talent -- and I think the stories about him and his career, are kinda cool -- I get what you are saying in a sense that most rappers just go into their stuff -- but if you ever see Too Short, he will sometimes tell a few lines of how he wrote a track, or out on tour this or that happened back in 89 with Eazy-E, or Blowjob Betty Story -- but Short does it real quick, like he tells the story really quick and jumps right into the track -- Crooked will walk around and go into a longer in-depth story like a documentary
Kxng Crooked is playing in San Antonio at Alamo City Music Hall with Bone Thugs N' Harmony and a bunch of other artists on April 26 -- Is anyone going? He's not headlining this one
I wonder when his next list of events are going to come out, this is the ONLY event I see he has posted -- he does good in Texas it seems -- just keep touring Crooked!
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First off, I'm wondering if anyone saw him in Austin on March 31st (it was a FRIDAY Night) -- He had 2 cats I never heard of touring with him - J Soulja and Deezy Brown
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This looks like this was a show booked by the club or an entertainment group representing it. This isn’t the same as an artist actually doing his own show. He’s essentially being paid by a promoter to do the gig.
Your diss to Doobie & Tha Realest
It wasn’t a diss to them. It was an explanation as to why the average fan isn’t going to respond with awe and amazement at their random, unannounced appearance at a concert in 2017 and why they weren’t at the show and likely won’t be at any other shows that they aren’t booked to appear at.
They were on the Death Row Records together, arguably the greatest most well known Gangsta Rap label of all time.
They weren’t on it at its peak period, which has a great effect on how familiar they are to an audience. Being a featured player during a time when the company was still at top is one thing. Being one after most of the audience has moved on is not the same.
They were on the MTV commercial for Chronic 2000
Hilariously irrelevant. Mentions on a TV ad that ran a handful times on cable TV in 1999 has no bearing to anything.
They weren't in their basements trading MP3s when that was going on
Nobody said they were.
Doobie has himself on Dr. Dre tracks and Tha Realest on 2Pac material (how many people in their basement can say that?)
None of these songs have been publicly released. Being on an unreleased song with an A-list star is not the same as being an A-list star yourself. If a significant portion of the general public hasn’t heard these songs, there is no real added value in bringing them up.
And why do you keep bringing up basements?
Artists do reunions sometimes in low keys spots like this
Perhaps they do but your perception of “reunion” is a little odd. How does one get behind the reuniting of artists who don’t have a celebrated public history? They were never publicly put out like that on Death Row. Any music they recorded together at Death Row was not released. Crooked I and Doobie have never been on the same CD together at Death Row, let alone a released track.
It seems like you’re under the impression that because these artists all worked at the same label during a one or two-year period, eighteen years ago, that they were all this close-knit family who still hang out to this day. You’re also operating under the logic that a significant portion of the people who go to the venue are going to be aware of this history and celebrate it.
Why wouldn't Doobie & Realest come out and join Crooked?
The most obvious answers that come to mind are…
1) Because nobody booked them to appear on the show.
2) Because it didn’t make sense for Crooked to ask them to drive out and work on one of his gigs for free.
3) They were out of town with gigs of their own.
4) They are not close personal friends of Crooked I.
And for added food for thought…. MAYBE… confusing where recording artists resided when they were discovered with where they currently live could also be part of the problem. Most artists move to where they can network with other artists. By all accounts, Realest lives in California now and has for awhile.
I've seen west coast acts where Tha Relativez are called on stage, or Ya Boy shows up -- just some random surprise acts -- I saw a Too Short concert one time in San Diego and CPO Boss Hog from Death Row Records showed up and did a couple opening tracks
I have seen the same at shows I have attended but I have also been to plenty where that sort of thing doesn’t happen. To assume that this is going to happen at a show simply because you want it to is setting yourself up for disappointment.
As far as that local radio station (follow that link and listen to it), they actually advertise local concerts on there ---> they did a lot of advertising for Mystikal, Juicy J, OT Genasys, 112, And K-Ci & JoJo -- I was surprised Crooked didn't get an advertisement in on that station considering they play a lot of Death Row and West Coast tracks!
If the club paid Crook to perform for their show, he’s not going to take money out of his own pocket to pay for advertising. He likely got his money upfront.
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This looks like this was a show booked by the club or an entertainment group representing it. This isn’t the same as an artist actually doing his own show. He’s essentially being paid by a promoter to do the gig.
It looks like he's bouncing around all over Texas, the San Antonio will be his fourth in a row in a stretched out time period (over 6 weeks) -- If he's the headline act, I believe he can bring his own DJ and a couple supporting acts (again, I don't know this for sure, this always depends on the contract -- people have strange things in these contracts like Lil Jon having 3 trays of chicken wings in his deals, and Tyga having 'chilled water at 68 degrees' in his agreements -- it's really just what the agreement has in it to be honest)
They weren’t on it at its peak period, which has a great effect on how familiar they are to an audience. Being a featured player during a time when the company was still at top is one thing. Being one after most of the audience has moved on is not the same.
Realest & Top Dogg were both on 'Gang Related' -- people talked about them and knew who they were who were heavy fans and readers of The Source -- the Row website had a lot of traffic, the interviews were hyped, the "Witness Tha Realest" "Every Dogg Has Its Day" albums were hyped as the new Death Row -- they had compilation albums (Chronic 2000, TGFR, Dysfunktional Family OST, etc.) -- people paid attention to the leaks of "Can't Mobb Deep" "Hotel Talk [Everything is Everything]", "Cindafella", "Goin Back to Cali," "All About U" video appearance had a lot of people talking about the 'new Death Row' and people were hyping Suge coming out of jail. Obviously, it never panned out like it could have
None of these songs have been publicly released
Wideawake released the "Say Hi To Tha Bad Guy" (as you know, plus some of those songs fell onto the compilations in the early 2000s) -- Sure, for the most part you're right, but they are allover YouTube -- I'm sure lots of people have searched YouTube for "Unreleased Death Row" and they see this stuff pop up -- I mean there's stream after stream of unreleased stuff easily accessible now -- but yeah, they will never have the pull of a 2Pac, Snoop, Dre, Nate Dogg, or Dogg Pound -- but the hardcore fans know they are there and they exist publicly
Good point about Doobie & Crooked I -- I always heard Crooked recorded for the self-titled "Young Doobie" album -- would be a good interview question or maybe we see something leak -- Eastwood recorded a lot of tracks with Top Dogg, a lot of people don't know that
This is Deezie Brown, who opened for Crook in Austin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDjW8ntbSS4
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I nominate love33 for the worst poster of the year. You sound like a broken record, goin' on and on about the same shit.
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I nominate love33 for the worst poster of the year. You sound like a broken record, goin' on and on about the same shit.
Like Crook & Bone in San Antonio
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I nominate love33 for the worst poster of the year. You sound like a broken record, goin' on and on about the same shit.
Like Crook & Bone in San Antonio
They sounded like a broken record?
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Crook & Bone concert coming up -- that's NEW shit!
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Realest & Top Dogg were both on 'Gang Related' -- people talked about them and knew who they were who were heavy fans and readers of The Source.
I’m calling bullshit on this one. For starters, they weren’t even recording as “Realest” and “Top Dogg” yet. They were Tenkamenin and YGD. And YGD wasn’t even on most versions. Your Source story is as bullshit as a lot of the other things you claimed to have read, seen, and heard on these forums.
One of the first mentions of Realest in The Source was as a gunshot victim in the coverage of the shooting that killed Kurupt’s bodyguard in 1999. They mistakenly called him “Realness” as did a lot of other media outlets who reported on the story.
The Row website had a lot of traffic, the interviews were hyped, the "Witness Tha Realest" "Every Dogg Has Its Day" albums were hyped as the new Death Row
I was on the website back then. I don’t ever recall them mentioning an official name for a Top Dogg album. There was one interview with Realest that came out after TG4R where he briefly mentioned an album but there was never serious hype. They also interviewed Swoop G and a couple other people.
They had compilation albums (Chronic 2000, TGFR, Dysfunktional Family OST, etc.)
Nope. Try again. Top Dogg was only on Chronic 2000. Realest was moved to an “artist in development” shortly after TGFR flopped. Neither one of them was on Dysfunktional Family OST.
People paid attention to the leaks of "Can't Mobb Deep" "Hotel Talk [Everything is Everything]", "Cindafella", "Goin Back to Cali," "All About U" video appearance had a lot of people talking about the 'new Death Row' and people were hyping Suge coming out of jail.
By people, you mean you and a handful of other hardcore fans. Far from the majority.
-- I always heard Crooked recorded for the self-titled "Young Doobie" album
Yeah, just like you “heard” Daz recorded his own version of Caught Up in the Game while at Death Row. You didn’t hear anything. You’re making it up to try and build credibility for another fake rumor you’re trying to start.
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I wonder if love33 actually thinks that people believe his stories.
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Realest & Top Dogg were both on 'Gang Related' -- people talked about them and knew who they were who were heavy fans and readers of The Source.
I’m calling bullshit on this one. For starters, they weren’t even recording as “Realest” and “Top Dogg” yet. They were Tenkamenin and YGD. And YGD wasn’t even on most versions. Your Source story is as bullshit as a lot of the other things you claimed to have read, seen, and heard on these forums.
One of the first mentions of Realest in The Source was as a gunshot victim in the coverage of the shooting that killed Kurupt’s bodyguard in 1999. They mistakenly called him “Realness” as did a lot of other media outlets who reported on the story.
The Row website had a lot of traffic, the interviews were hyped, the "Witness Tha Realest" "Every Dogg Has Its Day" albums were hyped as the new Death Row
I was on the website back then. I don’t ever recall them mentioning an official name for a Top Dogg album. There was one interview with Realest that came out after TG4R where he briefly mentioned an album but there was never serious hype. They also interviewed Swoop G and a couple other people.
They had compilation albums (Chronic 2000, TGFR, Dysfunktional Family OST, etc.)
Nope. Try again. Top Dogg was only on Chronic 2000. Realest was moved to an “artist in development” shortly after TGFR flopped. Neither one of them was on Dysfunktional Family OST.
People paid attention to the leaks of "Can't Mobb Deep" "Hotel Talk [Everything is Everything]", "Cindafella", "Goin Back to Cali," "All About U" video appearance had a lot of people talking about the 'new Death Row' and people were hyping Suge coming out of jail.
By people, you mean you and a handful of other hardcore fans. Far from the majority.
-- I always heard Crooked recorded for the self-titled "Young Doobie" album
Yeah, just like you “heard” Daz recorded his own version of Caught Up in the Game while at Death Row. You didn’t hear anything. You’re making it up to try and build credibility for another fake rumor you’re trying to start.
I’m calling bullshit on this one. For starters, they weren’t even recording as “Realest” and “Top Dogg” yet. They were Tenkamenin and YGD. And YGD wasn’t even on most versions. Your Source story is as bullshit as a lot of the other things you claimed to have read, seen, and heard on these forums.
One of the first mentions of Realest in The Source was as a gunshot victim in the coverage of the shooting that killed Kurupt’s bodyguard in 1999. They mistakenly called him “Realness” as did a lot of other media outlets who reported on the story.
I have the CD where they are both in the credits -- they are in the insert -- I'm surprised you don't know this and would call me out, I never talked about their monkiers, I said they were on the album, which I am 100% Correct! -- Top Dogg just mentioned this in his interview too -- and Tha Realest is known as Tenkamenin, and Chocolate Bandit are also in the credits -- this was Obvious to ANY fan that Top Dogg's diss track was buzzing -- it was even talked about as "Notorious BIG is gone and Death Row is pushing a diss track" convo -- On a lesser note, The Chocolate Bandit has a track called "Whatz Da Deal" that's also on the album and it's in the credits!
Daz was the LEAD PRODUCER when Doobie recorded that track they were both at Death Row together, and being the Lead Producer, like Cold187um said when he had the role, he said he knew every artist, their style, and every track that was flowing through that studio
Daz was cool with ALL the Row Arists -- until he got released from the label, then he tried to take the artists with him, and they didn't want to leave, so he was shocked they didn't bolt with him and then he dissed them; that's what the real beef is about -- he wanted to break the label and take some of the artists with him, and then he drove up the 5 freeway and met with JT The Bigga Figga, who taught him how to market and release an independent album (he then released his Death Row tracks "R.A.W.", which some of them also appeared on Tha Dogg Pound "2002")
There were at least 3 Interviews with Miles & Nate, the guys that ran ThaRow.Com and Tha Realest ALWAYS talked about his album -- and Top Dogg album was listed as coming soon and on fan sites Top Dogg had his album all listed on there "Every Dogg Has Its Day," "Daz Dillinger -- R.A.W.," "Crooked I - Say Hi To Tha Bad Guy," 2Pac "The Safe (4 Disc CD Set), Outlawz, Soopafly "Like It Or Not", Young Doobie "Young Doobie", "Mac Shawn," "El Dorado," "VK," "SKG (Suge Knight Girl)", "NINA Untitled Album", "Eastwood -- Born To Be Hated" (came later), and Top Dogg said in his Interviews it was "Every Dogg Has Its Day" -- Go look on YouTube, there are plenty of Tha Realest and Top Dogg Death Row tracks on there for you to listen to in your spare time.. I have tons of Top Dogg tracks, and he was supposed to be the main act (Suge put him on Dr. Dre tracks/beats, 2Pac videos on MTV, Suge put him against Snoop with Cindafella, etc.) -- He recorded for TGFR but it didn't make the album ("Hatin U" is a great track for you to lookup),
Realest in The Source was as a gunshot victim in the coverage of the shooting that killed Kurupt’s bodyguard in 1999
Yes, that happened, and The Source and MTV published it and then the feds raided the building on Wilshire Blvd, and Kurupt's bodyguard was shot -- this was around the time Death Row was trying to sign DMX -- Tha Realest did a track about how the label was BlackBalled
Nope. Try again. Top Dogg was only on Chronic 2000. Realest was moved to an “artist in development” shortly after TGFR flopped. Neither one of them was on Dysfunktional Family OST.
Tha Realest is one of the main artists on Chronic 2000, he's on 7 tracks! Realest recorded tracks with Daz where Daz talks about "Dat Nigga Daz & Tha Realest comin way too RAW, you ain't known? Dat Nigga Daz & Tha Realestt...WE just way too Real -- We right here -- You want some of this? Dat Nigga Daz & Tha Realest!! Beeeyatch!" Daz was recording with Tha Realest, he was representing to the fullest about how they are going to ride together, and then Daz helped Realest with his porn video "Because of U Girl" (you prob saw it on Death Row Uncut with all the whores in the video), and DAZ got tracks with Doobie too; Daz was the MAIN Producer on the label -- Every time I read your posts, it's starting to sound like I'm watching 'Fake News CNN'! You know these guys were all hanging together and recording records, including the tracks Daz did with Realest, and he was supposed to be the big producer on the 2Pac albums.... I hope Tha Realest leaks more stuff
This looks like this was a show booked by the club or an entertainment group representing it. This isn’t the same as an artist actually doing his own show. He’s essentially being paid by a promoter to do the gig.
A show is a show -- he's touring Texas and he headlined the show in Ft Worth and Austin -- he did Ft Worth on a Tuesday Night and headlined the show (go read his Twitter) -- Crook is HUGE in Texas!! He played the Live Oak Music Hall -- That's why he lives there on concerts the last 3 months~ I love listening to Crook, Tha Realest, Daz, Mac Shawn... all those guys make great music -- if they were all labelmates again today, it would be something to look at!
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I have the CD where they are both in the credits -- they are in the insert -- I'm surprised you don't know this and would call me out.
I said YGD “wasn’t on most versions”. The majority of prints of the album do not contain that track.
I never talked about their monkiers, I said they were on the album, which I am 100% Correct
Once again, YGD is on SOME versions of the album. The same way that “G’z Up, Hoes Down” is on SOME versions of Doggystyle.
The discussion of monikers is in response to your argument of their BUZZ and how much people “knew who they were and talked about them”. If their buzz was heavy off that album, they generally wouldn’t go and change both their names and monikers on the next album.
This was Obvious to ANY fan that Top Dogg's diss track was buzzing -- it was even talked about as "Notorious BIG is gone and Death Row is pushing a diss track" convo.
This was a message board conversation, not a national print or television one. Buzz is a bit of a stretch in this regard. It was a track that was not included on most versions so fans of West Coast music talked about it on message boards. It wasn’t like Carson Daily was sitting around on TRL talking about that shit.
On a lesser note, The Chocolate Bandit has a track called "Whatz Da Deal" that's also on the album and it's in the credits!
Yes, it’s on the same versions that feature the YGD track. In other words, not every album and not every credit.
Hmmm…..
http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0000/142/MI0000142189.jpg?partner=allrovi.com
https://www.rapmusicguide.com/amass/images/inventory/16113/Death%20Row%20Archives%20-%20The%20Soundtracks%20insert.jpg
https://http2.mlstatic.com/cd-gang-related-2pac-the-soundtrack-D_NQ_NP_311-MLB4682584481_072013-F.jpg
https://www.rapmusicguide.com/cd/5906/gang-related-the-soundtrack
http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/1632062/a/gang+related.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_Related_%E2%80%93_The_Soundtrack
https://www.discogs.com/Various-Gang-Related-The-Soundtrack/release/1236530
Kind of funny how so many online sources are posting up back covers and track lists that don’t have either of these songs on there.
It’s also funny how you just coincidentally brought up the Chocolate Bandit song as a “FYI” when nobody even mentioned it. It’s almost like you were aware that there is a second, much rarer version that has these songs and maybe it’s nearly impossible for people to have been buzzing that loud about a song that most of them hadn’t even heard.
Daz was the LEAD PRODUCER when Doobie recorded that track they were both at Death Row together, and being the Lead Producer, like Cold187um said when he had the role, he said he knew every artist, their style, and every track that was flowing through that studio.
We’ve discussed this before and I have no interest in going back around in circles on it. Have you ever actually heard a Death Row version of “Caught Up” produced/recorded by Daz or anyone go on record saying that one exists? If not, you are lying. Simple as that. You created a theory and are trying to pass it off as being factual.
I have tons of Top Dogg tracks, and he was supposed to be the main act (Suge put him on Dr. Dre tracks/beats, 2Pac videos on MTV, Suge put him against Snoop with Cindafella, etc.) -- He recorded for TGFR but it didn't make the album ("Hatin U" is a great track for you to lookup),
He was supposed to be the main act but none of his songs made the album? Let’s continue to illustrate the importance of an artist’s contributions by naming music they made that was never released.
Yes, that happened, and The Source and MTV published it and then the feds raided the building on Wilshire Blvd, and Kurupt's bodyguard was shot.
The killing of Kurupt’s bodyguard had nothing to do with a Fed raid and they didn’t happen at the same time. Kurupt’s bodyguard was killed in a drive-by shooting at Echo Studios. It happened in October of 1999.
http://www.mtv.com/news/519143/kurupts-bodyguard-killed-two-hurt-in-studio-shooting/
Few points to be made about this article.
- The article refers to Realest as Jevon “Realistic” Jones.
- The shooting took place on October 1999. Chronic 2000 came out in April, that year. If that album was “rocking the charts” and the media was covering it, why are Kurupt and Daz the focus of this article?
- If MTV was playing them and the buzz was so huge, why did they get the name wrong and not mention any of his current music? They mention Kurupt and Daz’s most recent music?
This was around the time Death Row was trying to sign DMX
Nope. DMX was locked down to Def Jam as a recording artist and Ruff Ryders as a label was signed to Interscope. Suge might have been interested in signing him but Suge was locked in prison and X already had a label. Yet another message board rumor you choose to buy into. Suge was planning to get him for Too Gangsta For Radio but that feel through. Appearing on a compilation is not the same as actually signing.
Tha Realest is one of the main artists on Chronic 2000, he's on 7 tracks!
What’s your point? I never said he wasn’t. I said he wasn’t on Dsyfunktional Family soundtrack and Top Dogg wasn’t on Too Gangsta For Radio.
Realest recorded tracks with Daz where Daz talks about "Dat Nigga Daz & Tha Realest comin way too RAW, you ain't known? Dat Nigga Daz & Tha Realestt...WE just way too Real -- We right here -- You want some of this? Dat Nigga Daz & Tha Realest!! Beeeyatch!"
And there are several videos/songs/interviews where Tupac is shouting out Dre and Snoop like they are all one big happy family and then come to find out, at the time, most of these were filmed, they didn’t even like each other. Music business is image. Suge wanted to portray his label as being like a family.
Daz helped Realest with his porn video "Because of U Girl" (you prob saw it on Death Row Uncut with all the whores in the video)
Other way around. “Because Of You Girl” is a Dogg Pound song FEATURING Tha Realest.
Every time I read your posts, it's starting to sound like I'm watching 'Fake News CNN'!
And every time, I read your responses, it’s like listening to Donald Trump, making outlandish comments and crying about “FAKE NEWS” when you get called on your bullshit.
I list facts. Articles. Links. Dates of releases. You list wacked-out fan theories about "They recorded this song together so they were obviously best friends" and randomly talking about songs you like and unreleased music you think I should listen to.
Your diss to Doobie & Tha Realest: they were on the Death Row Records together, arguably the greatest most well known Gangsta Rap label of all time -- they were on the MTV commercial for Chronic 2000
Realest and Doobie were on the Chronic 2000 commercial? Where?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYpCZG84ZRo
Uh oh.... FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS!
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And there are several videos/songs/interviews where Tupac is shouting out Dre and Snoop like they are all one big happy family and then come to find out, at the time, most of these were filmed, they didn’t even like each other. Music business is image. Suge wanted to portray his label as being like a family.
Quote from: love33 on April 14, 2017, 12:04:08 AM
Daz helped Realest with his porn video "Because of U Girl" (you prob saw it on Death Row Uncut with all the whores in the video)
Other way around. “Because Of You Girl” is a Dogg Pound song FEATURING Tha Realest.
Of course MTV talked about "Dogg Pound", they are a multi-platinum act on the label (Suge had Daz signed as a solo artist, and Dogg Pound signed for 2 albums and he owned the name, which is why Daz & Kurupt called their group "DPGC" after Suge outsold them with "2002" -- and Kurupt said he loved both albums (it was right as he re-signed as a SOLO artist) and Daz had left and said the real album is DPGC album and they shared tracks -- which leads me to Doobie -- Daz had material on Realest & Doobie (and they were working together, as you mentioned on that video was actually for the Death Row Dogg Pound "Dogg Shit" album that never got released, Daz released "Dogg Shit" later on the indy label with new tracks) -- If Daz was overseeing Realest and Doobie's material (Realest and Daz recording and Daz coaching/overseeing his projects, and Doobie was Realest's second in line)
Did you ever think they WERE cool with each other, but got pissed off at each other internally like how brother's fight -- Suge Knight is notorious for saying they are a family and they throw down sometimes -- Pac was drunk in the studio a lot of the time, but he was the hardest worker, and he was wild, and some people like Dre didn't want to be on that level when he did music -- You proved the point as I was proving that Daz lies when he says he was never cool, I quoted him saying he was riding with Tha Realest (for some reason, he just resents it now, but you calling it fake is calling Daz a PHONY if that is indeed TRUE, because Pac backed everything he said 100%)
There have always been internal beefs on Death Row -- look at Above The Law vs. Daz as Hutch took his spot and the words exchanged from Hutch towards Daz (notice you don't see much recorded with Hutch & Daz during their short time together before Cold187um replaced Daz) -- look at the Crooked I beef with Daz (they were cool at one time -- "You say you're RAW, naw, I ain't feelin ya?!" -- Crook smashed allover Snoop with diss tracks and on that mixtape which had the streets talking -- Crook said he couldn't even go into Long Beach without watching his back cause that was Snoop's people -- Gail Gotti and Virginya Slim had beef, so did SKG (Suge Knight Girl) and Michelle -- Chocolate Bandit had a nasty beef with Young Doobie & Tha Realest --- Realest was starting a huge beef with Mobb Deep that MTV wrote about and they all threw down at The Source Awards
I never want to see anyone get seriously hurt, but it's very real what happened (and you know rap was different in the 90s/early 2000's into the hollywood beefs it evolved into today -- people got shot at like you mentioned Kurupt's bodyguard, Tha Realest getting shot, etc.) Top Dogg said they watched their back all the time and he had a lot of people in the neighborhood jealous of him because he was on Death Row
Suge would disagree and say EVERYTHING that came out of his label is 100% Authentic -- he would say that today (as Death Row was known for calling other labels out for being fakes) -- Death Row was known as being an AUTHENTIC Gangsta Rap label
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You remember the Death Row "Raw & Uncut" era, this is why MTV and other media outlets were shying away from them and they couldn't get major promotion -- they wanted Suge to grow into a mature label and calculate his moves and pick his spots when he disses --and he tried to fool the media and said he changed his name to "Tha Row" to take out some of the negativity associated with the label in the past and move towards a new positive future and pointed to N.I.N.A. album -- Death Row had dropped the "Death Row Uncut" video, and they smashed allover a lot of artists, and then directions to Jimmy Iovine's house were on the VHS tape before it was edited out on the DVD -- then the label released a preview for "Death Row Too Gangsta for TV Celebrity Beatdowns" and it featured Death Row artists and beating up Keith Closs of the LA Clippers -- then they associated with Boo Ya T.R.I.B.E., Relativez (who smashed allover Snoop), and later signed Spider Loc who sucked as an artist but they used him to diss cats -- then they released the track called "Fuck Hollywood" where they were smashing allover artists and actors, and then the classic "Fuck Dre" track followed where Realest's Last Circle was smashing Dr. Dre -- this is the stuff that the media wanted to go away, and the label wouldn't tone it down and it cost them in the public eye with a lot of lost promotion and even with the name change, they couldn't shake the image
https://www.youtube.com/v/FNmck384d5Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNmck384d5Y)
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Did you ever think they WERE cool with each other, but got pissed off at each other internally like how brother's fight?
That’s entirely possible but there is also the reality that not everything said by entertainers on records and in interviews is true. As many reliable people who were in the studio at the time and working at Death Row will say, Pac and Snoop were not cool privately but publicly, they were still bigging each other up and taking pictures like they were.
It’s difficult to explain to you because you’re a complete mark for Death Row so there will be no convincing you that despite all the stuff said on records, it probably wasn’t all family with everybody.
Suge would disagree and say EVERYTHING that came out of his label is 100% Authentic -- he would say that today (as Death Row was known for calling other labels out for being fakes) -- Death Row was known as being an AUTHENTIC Gangsta Rap label
Suge is a businessman. He is selling an image and a brand like every other CEO in the entertainment business. There were definitely a lot of serious dudes over at Death Row, including Suge, but “100% authentic gangsta rap” is something he is pushing to sell to naïve cats like you who aren’t bright enough to read between the lines.
If you believe that everything that came out of that label was 100% authentic because Suge said so, how do you account for Suge saying that the guy they put out as their first artist was never a gangster, never from Compton, and didn’t do anything of the things he said on his records. Wouldn’t spending all this money and time promoting this guy as such be a contradiction of the label’s claim of pure authenticity? His numerous interviews talking about how he created the images for all the original artists. Snoop was pretending to be a Blood and was called “Snoop Dooper”? Kurupt was part of a group with two girls? You can’t claim credit for creating street images for all your flagship artists and then say your label is authentic.
And I’m not knocking Suge. I think he’s a genius. He created a brand. He could take Brandy’s little brother from a UPN sitcom, put a Death Row chain on him, and suddenly, Stans like yourself will become overnight fans and spend the next twenty years on message boards talking about unreleased tracks and spending your free time convinced that everybody on this label sends each other Christmas cards and hangs out all the time.
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There were definitely a lot of serious dudes over at Death Row, including Suge, but “100% authentic gangsta rap” is something he is pushing to sell to naïve cats like you who aren’t bright enough to read between the lines.
If they weren't authentic, then why did the main artist and CEO get shot at in Las Vegas? Why were they up in the malls beating people up? Why were they recording "beatdown" videos of celebrities? Why were they fighting everyone at The Source Awards?
We haven't to this day seen a label as raw as Tha Row -- The studio freestyles and beatdowns
If you believe that everything that came out of that label was 100% authentic because Suge said so, how do you account for Suge saying that the guy they put out as their first artist was never a gangster, never from Compton, and didn’t do anything of the things he said on his records.
The tagline of that whole thing was that Dre was a gangsta and he switched up like Pac said -- Dre was in trouble with the law, slapping women around, and he was repping the Death Row brand in 92 the same way Pac was repping it in 96 -- the main difference is that Dre in 95 after a couple more run-ins with the law, didn't want to be involved in the gangsta stuff anymore, him and Suge were making their money, and the way he saw it, is that he didn't want to stay in the hood, he wanted to move into the suburbs and live the good life (same thing happened to Snoop when he said he feared for his life to the Long Beach newspaper right before Suge sold his contract to Master P) -- Dre was of the mind, "I'm rich now, I'm filthy rich now, why do I want to live in the hood and be around this drama and possibly get shot and throw it all away" -- Where Suge was of the mindset be true to your roots, and I think that was part of the conflict -- that Dre didn't want to be on that "Gangsta" label anymore (which showed in his first Aftermath release, it wasn't really a "Gangsta" record) -- Dre was over beefing with Ice Cube, and it never sat right with him the way Eazy went out and they parted on a sour note
Snoop was pretending to be a Blood and was called “Snoop Dooper”? Kurupt was part of a group with two girls?
I read about the "Snooper Dooper" and I didn't know that was originally referring to him as a Blood (maybe Suge said that in hindsight to try to get him in trouble on the streets? Kurupt & Daz seem like the exact same dudes they were on Tha Row, they never really changed, they have always been themselves. He did try to repackage Hammer into a gangsta rapper, but he never released his stuff.
and spending your free time convinced that everybody on this label sends each other Christmas cards and hangs out all the time.
Well we know Crook and Tha Realest worked together after they left the label -- Snoop and Dre have reunited from time to time -- and I think Crooked I would work with any of them if they reached out -- Look at how he reached out to Snoop and others -- I don't think Daz has dropped the beef stuff with Crook, even though they recorded for his "Untouchable" album and "Say Hi To Tha Bad Guy"
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Can we put this in the West Coast Classics forum at this point? It's turned into some weird fantasy about the 90's.
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You people actually think that Snoop wanted to claim Blood before "The Chronic" came out just because Suge Knight and some of his homeboys said that? Are you fucking retarded? There's no Bloods in Long Beach.
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Can we put this in the West Coast Classics forum at this point? It's turned into some weird fantasy about the 90's.
+1 i think @love33 needs his own section on this forum we could learn some new shit from his parallel world
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You people actually think that Snoop wanted to claim Blood before "The Chronic" came out just because Suge Knight and some of his homeboys said that?
Precisely. Suge said a lot of bullshit but our boy, love33, tends to eat it up. Said Snoop was claiming Blood, Dre told him he wanted to be white, Dre admitted to being gay in a Death Row meeting, Pac had a version of "Hit Em Up" dissing Snoop, and many other wild stories.
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You people actually think that Snoop wanted to claim Blood before "The Chronic" came out just because Suge Knight and some of his homeboys said that?
Precisely. Suge said a lot of bullshit but our boy, love33, tends to eat it up. Said Snoop was claiming Blood, Dre told him he wanted to be white, Dre admitted to being gay in a Death Row meeting, Pac had a version of "Hit Em Up" dissing Snoop, and many other wild stories.
They had an alternative Makaveli Cover that dissed several artists who were enemies of Tha Row, including portraying Notorious B.I.G. as a PIG
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In other news, Crooked I performed at Indie Dance in Los Angeles -- Did anyone get to see it? I can't find any information on his next Tour Dates?
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They had an alternative Makaveli Cover that dissed several artists who were enemies of Tha Row, including portraying Notorious B.I.G. as a PIG
What the fuck does that have to do with what I said? Do you actually read what you're replying to or do you just type up some random shit and hope that it applies to what you're quoting?
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They had an alternative Makaveli Cover that dissed several artists who were enemies of Tha Row, including portraying Notorious B.I.G. as a PIG
What the fuck does that have to do with what I said? Do you actually read what you're replying to or do you just type up some random shit and hope that it applies to what you're quoting?
This made me lol.