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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: M Dogg™ on March 29, 2017, 01:08:57 PM
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Welcome to Sin City, Raider Nation. Has there ever been a more messed up partnership that can be so beautifully chaotic than this.
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i feel for oakland, but i fux wit this move 8)
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I agree. I really feel for the Oakland sports fans. But Raider Nation is basically all of California, and the die hard fans are mostly in Southern California. LV is going to be crazy the weekends of games. The NFL is the perfect Vegas sport, I said in previous post. People will get season tickets who live in LA and the IE, they'll drive up and party on Friday, chill and party Saturday night, then get up for game day. LV is still California time zone, so basically people in LA and the IE will have 8 party weekends in Vegas a year.
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As if I needed the traffic to Vegas to be worse than it is.
But on the flip side, perhaps this will accelerate the construction of the monorail from SoCal to Vegas, though in curious what the target price points will be, because unless it's cheap, I'd rather just fly. But I bet those train rides will have a lot of suspicious characters on there. A 3-4 train ride and booze with all the types of people going might require security on the train.
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As if I needed the traffic to Vegas to be worse than it is.
But on the flip side, perhaps this will accelerate the construction of the monorail from SoCal to Vegas, though in curious what the target price points will be, because unless it's cheap, I'd rather just fly. But I bet those train rides will have a lot of suspicious characters on there. A 3-4 train ride and booze with all the types of people going might require security on the train.
yea that traffic bout to be gruesome
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As if I needed the traffic to Vegas to be worse than it is.
But on the flip side, perhaps this will accelerate the construction of the monorail from SoCal to Vegas, though in curious what the target price points will be, because unless it's cheap, I'd rather just fly. But I bet those train rides will have a lot of suspicious characters on there. A 3-4 train ride and booze with all the types of people going might require security on the train.
yea that traffic bout to be gruesome
Traffic from San Bernardino to Vegas though ain't bad, as long as it's either early or late on a Friday. That 15 isn't too bad if you get on early enough. But once it hits like 4pm, you might as well wait for Saturday.
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That's true but not everyone is leaving from San Bernardino, which is past the more problematic stretches for SoCal residents. That's the easy part, it's that fucking 91 freeway that I have to deal with. That 30-40 miles is atrocious.
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That's true but not everyone is leaving from San Bernardino, which is past the more problematic stretches for SoCal residents. That's the easy part, it's that fucking 91 freeway that I have to deal with. That 30-40 miles is atrocious.
101 to 134 to 210 to 15
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That's true but not everyone is leaving from San Bernardino, which is past the more problematic stretches for SoCal residents. That's the easy part, it's that fucking 91 freeway that I have to deal with. That 30-40 miles is atrocious.
101 to 134 to 210 to 15
That's what I took when I lived in Oxnard but I'm coming from the OC. No way around it. I've tried other routes like the 55-5-57-60 or 10 but it still sucks. I just fly, flights are fairly cheap out of John Wayne.
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That's true but not everyone is leaving from San Bernardino, which is past the more problematic stretches for SoCal residents. That's the easy part, it's that fucking 91 freeway that I have to deal with. That 30-40 miles is atrocious.
101 to 134 to 210 to 15
That's what I took when I lived in Oxnard but I'm coming from the OC. No way around it. I've tried other routes like the 55-5-57-60 or 10 but it still sucks. I just fly, flights are fairly cheap out of John Wayne.
Yeah man, OC sucks. When we'd go to Disneyland, we had to go on the 91 and it was unbearable. Living in the OC, you might have to switch teams. I mean, even in LA, if you can catch that 210, it FLIES to San Bernardino, which you get the 15 and then you're golden. When I'm home (be home this summer!) we are going to Vegas and it's easy as hell. So you know all the boys from my area are super excited about this move. Going to Vegas out there is actually easier than going to LA, even though LA is closer.
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Yeah from San Bernardino it's easy as long as there aren't any accidents or anything. But to be honest I haven't really cared much for the Raiders since they got massacred by Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl. But since I grew up in Oxnard, that's where they used to have their training camps when they were in LA so my mom used to take us there to get autographs and stuff. The Cowboys had been using that same facility for most of the last decade but not anymore since it's being developed into housing.
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Yeah from San Bernardino it's easy as long as there aren't any accidents or anything. But to be honest I haven't really cared much for the Raiders since they got massacred by Tampa Bay in the Super Bowl. But since I grew up in Oxnard, that's where they used to have their training camps when they were in LA so my mom used to take us there to get autographs and stuff. The Cowboys had been using that same facility for most of the last decade but not anymore since it's being developed into housing.
So who yo' team?
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Now? Nobody. I liked the 49ers when I was a kid because of Joe Montana, then the Raiders when I started going to their training camps, then the Cowboys around when they had Aikman and Emmitt Smith, except I couldn't wear their stuff since he main Mexican gang in the city wore it and our school didn't let you wear it. But I still liked the Raiders anyway but didn't follow them as closely after that Super Bowl. Then I got more into college football - UCLA is my team, but last season was hard to watch.
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So your a free agent, and the Rams and Chargers couldn't sell you.
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So your a free agent, and the Rams and Chargers couldn't sell you.
Yep. Went to the Rams training camp at UCI and wasn't impressed. I remember watching Goff throw a really bad pick to where there wasn't even a receiver in that vicinity. But I didn't care for the Rams when they were here before, no reason to start now.
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So your a free agent, and the Rams and Chargers couldn't sell you.
Yep. Went to the Rams training camp at UCI and wasn't impressed. I remember watching Goff throw a really bad pick to where there wasn't even a receiver in that vicinity. But I didn't care for the Rams when they were here before, no reason to start now.
gota rep them rams homie...well be back soon
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So your a free agent, and the Rams and Chargers couldn't sell you.
Yep. Went to the Rams training camp at UCI and wasn't impressed. I remember watching Goff throw a really bad pick to where there wasn't even a receiver in that vicinity. But I didn't care for the Rams when they were here before, no reason to start now.
gota rep them rams homie...well be back soon
I mean, he has choices, and in LA it's about having choices. Maybe eventually the Chargers will win him over. I mean Rivers maybe older, but I could see with a good QB pick, them making a comeback and being a playoff team again. They actually aren't far away from being a playoff team now.
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Nah I'm good. Don't get me wrong, I hope the Rams get better but I'm probably not going to be a big fan. Even my friends who got season tickets can't get me to go with them hahaha.
I don't have a "team," but I just root for a bunch of teams when they're on... in no particular order, Raiders (because I liked them when I was younger), Cowboys (same reason), Patriots (I can't seem to hate them, plus I liked them when they had Drew Bledsoe and even had his jersey back in the day), Packers (not just because of Aaron Rodgers but they got a few UCLA players like Hundley and Clark), Vikings (Barr and Kendrick from UCLA).
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Nah I'm good. Don't get me wrong, I hope the Rams get better but I'm probably not going to be a big fan. Even my friends who got season tickets can't get me to go with them hahaha.
I don't have a "team," but I just root for a bunch of teams when they're on... in no particular order, Raiders (because I liked them when I was younger), Cowboys (same reason), Patriots (I can't seem to hate them, plus I liked them when they had Drew Bledsoe and even had his jersey back in the day), Packers (not just because of Aaron Rodgers but they got a few UCLA players like Hundley and Clark), Vikings (Barr and Kendrick from UCLA).
I feel the same way about some teams. I had a Jim Harbaugh jersey when he was in Indy, so I always had a soft spot for the Colts. If Harbaugh coached the Raiders, I would have been unbearable. I use to like the Patriots with Bledsoe, great Pac 10 QB, but the Tuck Rule game ruined them for me. My second team has always been the Packers. So it's all good. But even when they were in LA the first time, the Rams just never appealed to me.
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After I liked the Raiders and Cowboys, I kind of ended up liking teams that took on players I followed in college. I was a Peyton Manning fan when he was in Tennessee, so naturally I liked the Colts and then the Broncos (though not necessarily ahead of other teams I still liked), though I still like the Colts since I'm still a Luck fan. Plus I met Vincent Brown (who was on the Raiders before the Colts) a week before he started practicing with the Colts, and he was a real down to earth dude, though obviously he wasn't that great and unfortunately got waived. But it's crazy how fucking big the guy is, it's hard to imagine that NFL WRs are that size, more or less.
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fairweather lookin mufuckaz
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Not when I still root for the same teams I always have.
Still, i don't expect much production out of the Rams, especially when Yarber is their new WR coach. Combine that with their uncertainty at QB and it's going to look a lot like last season.
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rep your city foo!
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Do you rep the Clippers?
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Do you rep the Clippers?
no...I rep the lakers. clippers is our rival, can't root for both (I used to when clippers embraced being lil bro). i pick 1 team that reps my city in every sport.
basketball:
lakers
ucla
sparks
baseball:
dodgers
football:
rams
ucla
soccer:
galaxy
hockey:
kings
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Clippers only became "rivals" when they stopped sucking within the past ten years. Hardly a rivalry, especially when they've never won a championship, let alone made it out of the second round of the playoffs.
UCLA, Lakers, Angels and Dodgers. I root for enough of the home teams.
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^thats what I'm saying...they don't have enough to be a true rival, but they are definitely the anti-laker. rule of thumb, u can only full-heartedly root for 1 team in every league without being a fairweather.
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I like a lot of teams, just maybe not their fans. Never hated the Clips, just their fans who were quiet until CP3 and Griffin. Never hated he Warriors (except Curry), just their fans who were quiet until they finally were within arms reach of a ring.
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Man, it's hard to be a Rams fan. Even my uncle, long time Rams fan moved to the Raiders. I hope them or the Chargers get some traction, because LA needs something.
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Yeah, if you want to see a home win at the Coliseum, you'll just have to go to USC games for the time being.
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Plus side, old timers call them the LAMBs when they are losing. An improvement if you ask Sccit. LOL
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ur uncle is what we call a bandwagon fan
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ur uncle is what we call a bandwagon fan
Except he was a hardcore Rams fan until they left LA. Dude he was a fan for longer than I've been alive.
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ur uncle is what we call a bandwagon fan
Except he was a hardcore Rams fan until they left LA. Dude he was a fan for longer than I've been alive.
not that hardcore after all
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ur uncle is what we call a bandwagon fan
Except he was a hardcore Rams fan until they left LA. Dude he was a fan for longer than I've been alive.
not that hardcore after all
LOL... once they left California, his loyalities got shaky, and then he followed the Raiders. When the Rams moved back, it looked like he was going back to the Rams, but stuck with the Raiders.
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ur uncle is what we call a bandwagon fan
Except he was a hardcore Rams fan until they left LA. Dude he was a fan for longer than I've been alive.
not that hardcore after all
LOL... once they left California, his loyalities got shaky, and then he followed the Raiders. When the Rams moved back, it looked like he was going back to the Rams, but stuck with the Raiders.
he'll come around
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Why do you have such a hard on for the Rams? Were you all gung ho about them before they announced they were coming back? Who cares if they're LA now... sure maybe it's a reason to root for them but there's no obligation, especially with California and football teams seem to move more often than most other non-California franchises do.
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Why do you have such a hard on for the Rams? Were you all gung ho about them before they announced they were coming back? Who cares if they're LA now... sure maybe it's a reason to root for them but there's no obligation, especially with California and football teams seem to move more often than most other non-California franchises do.
that's easy .. i'm a loyal dude. if a team reps my city, then i rep for them. that's the way it works. LA ain't had a team in 20 years, so figuring out why i'm excited to have one is not rocket science brodie.
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Why not the Chargers then?
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Why not the Chargers then?
RAM'S CAME FIRST, I ALREADY PLEDGED MY ALLEGIANCE
IN REALITY, I WAS HOPIN IT WOULD BE RAIDERS
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So just to be clear, by that logic, if the Rams leave and no other teams move to or from LA, then you default to being a Chargers fan, correct?
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So just to be clear, by that logic, if the Rams leave and no other teams move to or from LA, then you default to being a Chargers fan, correct?
not sure until it happens
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Since the owner of the Rams is spending $3 Billion on a new stadium with his own money, I HIGHLY doubt he'd move. If anything the Chargers are more likely to move. I honestly wish the NFL would switch the Raiders and Chargers to bring the Raiders back to LA and move the Chargers to LV. Even the mayor of LV said she's a Charger fan and would prefer the Chargers. But the Rams owner does NOT want the Raiders there because he's NOT going to spend $3 Billion on a new stadium just for the Raiders to come in and take over LA. It's like the owner of the Clippers owning Staples Center then letting the Lakers play (I know it's reverse since the Staples Center people own 33% of the Lakers and 0% of the Clippers). If Staples was owned by the Clippers, they'd NEVER let the Lakers play there because you don't want to be over shadowed in your own stadium. Same with the Rams, they'd NEVER let the Raiders move there because they'd be over shadowed in their own $3 Billion stadium.
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I was just giving a hypothetical scenario, not a likely one, to prove my point.
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I was just giving a hypothetical scenario, not a likely one, to prove my point.
lol u don't have a point .. ur tryna stump me because u tryna overcompensate for not reppin a team via residency, but it won't work. i'm a rams fan cuz they rep my city. if anything else should happen, ill move according to how i feel. period.
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So then it's NOT about the city then. Got it.
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So then it's NOT about the city then. Got it.
how is it not about the city? are u playin games now?? i just told u i root for the rams cuz they moved here. u either playin dumb now or purposely insultin my intelligence
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From what I know of Sccit, he roots for the LA team. So if the Rams moved, then he'd root for the Chargers because they are there, if they moved them he'd assess the situation and then go from there (like if the Raiders are winning, then move to the Raiders). Of course the Rams aren't moving, Kroenke didn't pay $3 Billion to build a stadium and move.
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So then it's NOT about the city then. Got it.
how is it not about the city? are u playin games now?? i just told u i root for the rams cuz they moved here. u either playin dumb now or purposely insultin my intelligence
So then why didn't you just say yes then? Dancing around the question with that "not sure until it happens" response.
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So then it's NOT about the city then. Got it.
how is it not about the city? are u playin games now?? i just told u i root for the rams cuz they moved here. u either playin dumb now or purposely insultin my intelligence
So then why didn't you just say yes then? Dancing around the question with that "not sure until it happens" response.
i've never had a team i root for leave my city, so i don't know how i'd react until it happens. it is what it is mayn.
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So then it's NOT about the city then. Got it.
how is it not about the city? are u playin games now?? i just told u i root for the rams cuz they moved here. u either playin dumb now or purposely insultin my intelligence
So then why didn't you just say yes then? Dancing around the question with that "not sure until it happens" response.
i've never had a team i root for leave my city, so i don't know how i'd react until it happens. it is what it is mayn.
That's right, you were a little kid when the Raiders left. I was 14 when they left, it devastated me. I decided to stick with them though, and now that trip is taking me to rooting for a Las Vegas team. But if they moved to Texas, I was done.
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Jumping in late on the subject matter. Same stinky Mexican cholos from LA gonna be at all the raider games talking bout "Raider Nation Homes".
who cares about the oakland fans anyway. LA didn't have a pro football team for 20 years just glad we have 2 teams now.
TBH i would rather have the raiders back in LA then the chargers so it could be like the old times when they were both here. LA is about 45% Raiders, 38% Rams, 10% Cowboys and 7% other. (not definite account but a rough estimate) That will change in a 10 year span with more charger/ rams fan getting momentum and a new generation of fans. Winning games and championships will win bandwagoners over as in LA there is a lot of them. No Loyalty. Not entirely true but you see it all the time. like Clipper fans all of a sudden when LA is clearly a Laker town.
quick little rant
My team will always be the Niners. shitty or not thats my team. loyal like a raider fan. i don't have a problem with the Team, its just raider fans are obnoxious and annoying and rep it like a gang or something which i think is stupid thus i associate stupid with raider fans so there you have it.
Peace
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So then it's NOT about the city then. Got it.
how is it not about the city? are u playin games now?? i just told u i root for the rams cuz they moved here. u either playin dumb now or purposely insultin my intelligence
So then why didn't you just say yes then? Dancing around the question with that "not sure until it happens" response.
i've never had a team i root for leave my city, so i don't know how i'd react until it happens. it is what it is mayn.
That's right, you were a little kid when the Raiders left. I was 14 when they left, it devastated me. I decided to stick with them though, and now that trip is taking me to rooting for a Las Vegas team. But if they moved to Texas, I was done.
not really an age thing, I was a hardcore laker fan in '95...football just didn't interest me that much back then. I remember losing the raiders and rams, but I didn't really follow the nfl like that. I liked the raiders casually, but wasn't invested enough to care that much. I do remember starting to feel upset that there wasn't football in LA around 2002 when the Raiders was in the superbowl, and I fuxed wit them from the side, but never really followed like that.....this is the first year I really followed a team 100.
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So then it's NOT about the city then. Got it.
how is it not about the city? are u playin games now?? i just told u i root for the rams cuz they moved here. u either playin dumb now or purposely insultin my intelligence
So then why didn't you just say yes then? Dancing around the question with that "not sure until it happens" response.
i've never had a team i root for leave my city, so i don't know how i'd react until it happens. it is what it is mayn.
That's right, you were a little kid when the Raiders left. I was 14 when they left, it devastated me. I decided to stick with them though, and now that trip is taking me to rooting for a Las Vegas team. But if they moved to Texas, I was done.
not really an age thing, I was a hardcore laker fan in '95...football just didn't interest me that much back then. I remember losing the raiders and rams, but I didn't really follow the nfl like that. I liked the raiders casually, but wasn't invested enough to care that much. I do remember starting to feel upset that there wasn't football in LA around 2002 when the Raiders was in the superbowl, and I fuxed wit them from the side, but never really followed like that.....this is the first year I really followed a team 100.
But I do think it's an age thing. 1995, the Raiders were in Oakland. 1994 was their last year in LA, and they barely missed the playoffs in the last game, went 9-7 and no one had any clue they'd leave, unlike the Rams which it was know about October.
But it is an age thing, because at the LA Raiders height, with NWA in Raider gear, at the same time Bo Jackson was running over "The Boz" on Monday Night Football, with Tom Flores and Art Shell as the first two minority head coaches for a team in LA which has a large Mexican and Black populations, the Raiders at their height was LA. I mean, the franchise now, it's very Bay Area culture. Which is fine. It's not the same team it was in the late-80's-early-90's. That culture is gone, and it's fine. But at the time, there was no Black Hole in LA, even in the 70's in Oakland, the fans in Oakland were more pirate Raider image fans. In LA, it was very, streets, very South Central, yet very Hollywood with Bo and Marcus Allen.
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So then it's NOT about the city then. Got it.
how is it not about the city? are u playin games now?? i just told u i root for the rams cuz they moved here. u either playin dumb now or purposely insultin my intelligence
So then why didn't you just say yes then? Dancing around the question with that "not sure until it happens" response.
i've never had a team i root for leave my city, so i don't know how i'd react until it happens. it is what it is mayn.
That's right, you were a little kid when the Raiders left. I was 14 when they left, it devastated me. I decided to stick with them though, and now that trip is taking me to rooting for a Las Vegas team. But if they moved to Texas, I was done.
not really an age thing, I was a hardcore laker fan in '95...football just didn't interest me that much back then. I remember losing the raiders and rams, but I didn't really follow the nfl like that. I liked the raiders casually, but wasn't invested enough to care that much. I do remember starting to feel upset that there wasn't football in LA around 2002 when the Raiders was in the superbowl, and I fuxed wit them from the side, but never really followed like that.....this is the first year I really followed a team 100.
But I do think it's an age thing. 1995, the Raiders were in Oakland. 1994 was their last year in LA, and they barely missed the playoffs in the last game, went 9-7 and no one had any clue they'd leave, unlike the Rams which it was know about October.
But it is an age thing, because at the LA Raiders height, with NWA in Raider gear, at the same time Bo Jackson was running over "The Boz" on Monday Night Football, with Tom Flores and Art Shell as the first two minority head coaches for a team in LA which has a large Mexican and Black populations, the Raiders at their height was LA. I mean, the franchise now, it's very Bay Area culture. Which is fine. It's not the same team it was in the late-80's-early-90's. That culture is gone, and it's fine. But at the time, there was no Black Hole in LA, even in the 70's in Oakland, the fans in Oakland were more pirate Raider image fans. In LA, it was very, streets, very South Central, yet very Hollywood with Bo and Marcus Allen.
naah.. like i said, i was a die hard laker fan at that age. just wasn't really into football yet.
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It's an age thing for sure though like M Dogg said. I'm just a little younger and would've been 11 or 12 but I remember. LA was all Raiders, and I never even really knew anyone who was a Rams fan. It was like the Lakers and Clippers (obviously before when the Lakers sucked and the Clips got good), if that analogy explains anything. I would have loved for the Raiders to come back instead of either team. But I wasn't a Rams fan when they were in LA before, and I gave them a shot but couldn't get into them.
Dogg brings up a good point about how much the Raiders were a part of the culture here, especially in the streets. I remember how at school, they used to send us home with letters to our parents saying that they discouraged wearing Raiders stuff.
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It's an age thing for sure though like M Dogg said. I'm just a little younger and would've been 11 or 12 but I remember. LA was all Raiders, and I never even really knew anyone who was a Rams fan. It was like the Lakers and Clippers (obviously before when the Lakers sucked and the Clips got good), if that analogy explains anything. I would have loved for the Raiders to come back instead of either team. But I wasn't a Rams fan when they were in LA before, and I gave them a shot but couldn't get into them.
Dogg brings up a good point about how much the Raiders were a part of the culture here, especially in the streets. I remember how at school, they used to send us home with letters to our parents saying that they discouraged wearing Raiders stuff.
see, but how u guna tell me what i feel about something? that's what fucks me up bout people.. i'll repeat it again, i was a die hard laker fan in 94-95 and i woulda been devastated had they left LA .. i simply didn't care about football as much back then. if i liked football as much as i liked basketball, i woulda been following the raiders. but i didn't. it's a preference thing..take it from the man himself.
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I will say, you get into football at an older age. I wasn't into football until like, 9 years old. Basketball I was into at 5. I wanted to be Magic, Magic's smile on TV got me hooked. Football, I mean I liked watching the 49ers with Joe Montana, but it wasn't until Bo Jackson and the Raiders that I really got into it.
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I will say, you get into football at an older age. I wasn't into football until like, 9 years old. Basketball I was into at 5. I wanted to be Magic, Magic's smile on TV got me hooked. Football, I mean I liked watching the 49ers with Joe Montana, but it wasn't until Bo Jackson and the Raiders that I really got into it.
you might have a point .. basketball is the superior sport and much more appealing to the eye. anybody can watch it. football, u gotta really get into.
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I will say, you get into football at an older age. I wasn't into football until like, 9 years old. Basketball I was into at 5. I wanted to be Magic, Magic's smile on TV got me hooked. Football, I mean I liked watching the 49ers with Joe Montana, but it wasn't until Bo Jackson and the Raiders that I really got into it.
you might have a point .. basketball is the superior sport and much more appealing to the eye. anybody can watch it. football, u gotta really get into.
And that's a point that can't be argued. My 3 year old LOVES basketball. He was watching the NCAA tournament with me, sat there like it was a cartoon. He watches it with more attention than Disney... LOL And I'm not even lying on that.
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It's an age thing for sure though like M Dogg said. I'm just a little younger and would've been 11 or 12 but I remember. LA was all Raiders, and I never even really knew anyone who was a Rams fan. It was like the Lakers and Clippers (obviously before when the Lakers sucked and the Clips got good), if that analogy explains anything. I would have loved for the Raiders to come back instead of either team. But I wasn't a Rams fan when they were in LA before, and I gave them a shot but couldn't get into them.
Dogg brings up a good point about how much the Raiders were a part of the culture here, especially in the streets. I remember how at school, they used to send us home with letters to our parents saying that they discouraged wearing Raiders stuff.
see, but how u guna tell me what i feel about something? that's what fucks me up bout people.. i'll repeat it again, i was a die hard laker fan in 94-95 and i woulda been devastated had they left LA .. i simply didn't care about football as much back then. if i liked football as much as i liked basketball, i woulda been following the raiders. but i didn't. it's a preference thing..take it from the man himself.
I don't believe I commented on how you feel or should feel. I just agreed with M Dogg. I understood the loyalty to the Raiders because I remember it and was into football at that age.
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I will say, you get into football at an older age. I wasn't into football until like, 9 years old. Basketball I was into at 5. I wanted to be Magic, Magic's smile on TV got me hooked. Football, I mean I liked watching the 49ers with Joe Montana, but it wasn't until Bo Jackson and the Raiders that I really got into it.
you might have a point .. basketball is the superior sport and much more appealing to the eye. anybody can watch it. football, u gotta really get into.
And that's a point that can't be argued. My 3 year old LOVES basketball. He was watching the NCAA tournament with me, sat there like it was a cartoon. He watches it with more attention than Disney... LOL And I'm not even lying on that.
yup .. it's why i still don't really relate to football that much, even though i follow the sport and watched most rams games this year
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It's an age thing for sure though like M Dogg said. I'm just a little younger and would've been 11 or 12 but I remember. LA was all Raiders, and I never even really knew anyone who was a Rams fan. It was like the Lakers and Clippers (obviously before when the Lakers sucked and the Clips got good), if that analogy explains anything. I would have loved for the Raiders to come back instead of either team. But I wasn't a Rams fan when they were in LA before, and I gave them a shot but couldn't get into them.
Dogg brings up a good point about how much the Raiders were a part of the culture here, especially in the streets. I remember how at school, they used to send us home with letters to our parents saying that they discouraged wearing Raiders stuff.
see, but how u guna tell me what i feel about something? that's what fucks me up bout people.. i'll repeat it again, i was a die hard laker fan in 94-95 and i woulda been devastated had they left LA .. i simply didn't care about football as much back then. if i liked football as much as i liked basketball, i woulda been following the raiders. but i didn't. it's a preference thing..take it from the man himself.
I don't believe I commented on how you feel or should feel. I just agreed with M Dogg. I understood the loyalty to the Raiders because I remember it and was into football at that age.
Man, as a fan, I know it can never go back to that, but what it was for that moment, it was so perfect. Even if they moved back, it wouldn't be the same.
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I will say, you get into football at an older age. I wasn't into football until like, 9 years old. Basketball I was into at 5. I wanted to be Magic, Magic's smile on TV got me hooked. Football, I mean I liked watching the 49ers with Joe Montana, but it wasn't until Bo Jackson and the Raiders that I really got into it.
you might have a point .. basketball is the superior sport and much more appealing to the eye. anybody can watch it. football, u gotta really get into.
And that's a point that can't be argued. My 3 year old LOVES basketball. He was watching the NCAA tournament with me, sat there like it was a cartoon. He watches it with more attention than Disney... LOL And I'm not even lying on that.
yup .. it's why i still don't really relate to football that much, even though i follow the sport and watched most rams games this year
I think that's why our opinions differ, and M Dogg kind of touched on it in his post after yours. This isn't a criticism of you at all, but we just have different involvement with football. I always liked the sport and watched it from a young age -- my brother and I both played it for a year (but we're just not the typical football size so heart can only get you so far) and REALLY liked the Raiders when we were younger. So it was more about the team, more than the city. So that's likely why the Raiders still had such a strong fan base out of SoCal even when they moved up north (and soon to Vegas), and even after a 20+ year drought without an NFL team, locals haven't been as enthusiastic about the Rams, especially when a lot of them didn't care for them when they were in St. Louis, let alone when they were in LA the first time. Out of my friends in this area who have season tickets, most of them are originally from out of state. Like I said, I gave them a shot, having gone to their training camp as well as the one for their rookies (which was at that same facility in Oxnard) but I can't seem to embrace them. And it's not out of loyalty for another team, I'd just feel fake about it if I did it after all these years of not giving a shit about them. They weren't my team when I was younger, so I'm not going to pretend to be excited.
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I will say, you get into football at an older age. I wasn't into football until like, 9 years old. Basketball I was into at 5. I wanted to be Magic, Magic's smile on TV got me hooked. Football, I mean I liked watching the 49ers with Joe Montana, but it wasn't until Bo Jackson and the Raiders that I really got into it.
you might have a point .. basketball is the superior sport and much more appealing to the eye. anybody can watch it. football, u gotta really get into.
And that's a point that can't be argued. My 3 year old LOVES basketball. He was watching the NCAA tournament with me, sat there like it was a cartoon. He watches it with more attention than Disney... LOL And I'm not even lying on that.
yup .. it's why i still don't really relate to football that much, even though i follow the sport and watched most rams games this year
I think that's why our opinions differ, and M Dogg kind of touched on it in his post after yours. This isn't a criticism of you at all, but we just have different involvement with football. I always liked the sport and watched it from a young age -- my brother and I both played it for a year (but we're just not the typical football size so heart can only get you so far) and REALLY liked the Raiders when we were younger. So it was more about the team, more than the city. So that's likely why the Raiders still had such a strong fan base out of SoCal even when they moved up north (and soon to Vegas), and even after a 20+ year drought without an NFL team, locals haven't been as enthusiastic about the Rams, especially when a lot of them didn't care for them when they were in St. Louis, let alone when they were in LA the first time. Out of my friends in this area who have season tickets, most of them are originally from out of state. Like I said, I gave them a shot, having gone to their training camp as well as the one for their rookies (which was at that same facility in Oxnard) but I can't seem to embrace them. And it's not out of loyalty for another team, I'd just feel fake about it if I did it after all these years of not giving a shit about them. They weren't my team when I was younger, so I'm not going to pretend to be excited.
i get u .. it's not about the city to u as much as it is about the team. that's cool and all, but i see sports differently. they rep for my city, then ima rep them. it's a loyalty i pride myself on. when the team does good, the city does good. i don't really fux wit sports fans that selectively pick what teams they root for, even if they across the nation. unless they moved from your city or u got a family member that plays on that team, it'll never make sense to me.
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Again, I think it's an age thing. Not saying that you're too young or that you'll understand it in five years, but it's really just different eras.
You said it yourself -- you didn't get into football until much later in life while also confirming that basketball is easier to get into, especially for casual fans. Football tends to be for a more dedicated fan -- not saying that a sport like basketball doesn't have dedicated fans (because they do), but you'll see a different proportion of casual fans. So that's probably why you don't see a shit ton of people rushing to Rams games, as big of a football market as LA is. People were loyal to the teams of yesteryear, more so than whatever team shows up and plants their flag. It would've been a waaaay different story if it had been the Raiders coming back, for reasons M Dogg and I have mentioned.
But it's not totally unheard of for people to root for teams that aren't local, particularly if it's one that is such a powerhouse -- look at the Bulls in the '90s. Yes, I liked the Lakers because they were local (but also my older brother loved them and so did my parents), but I was ALWAYS a Michael Jordan fan, and my family was too. So yeah, we rocked with the Bulls, and so did a lot of other people. It wasn't just Bloods wearing Bulls in the '90s, it was a lot of people, but obviously it was mostly for MJ and not necessarily the Bulls as an organization, but one comes with the other. And it's not like Shaq and/or Kobe didn't have fans in other cities but rocked the Lakers gear.
But that's the thing -- usually that out-of-state love for another team is usually based on that person appreciating a certain player, more so than liking that team over their own based off of the team's merits.
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Again, I think it's an age thing. Not saying that you're too young or that you'll understand it in five years, but it's really just different eras.
You said it yourself -- you didn't get into football until much later in life while also confirming that basketball is easier to get into, especially for casual fans. Football tends to be for a more dedicated fan -- not saying that a sport like basketball doesn't have dedicated fans (because they do), but you'll see a different proportion of casual fans. So that's probably why you don't see a shit ton of people rushing to Rams games, as big of a football market as LA is. People were loyal to the teams of yesteryear, more so than whatever team shows up and plants their flag. It would've been a waaaay different story if it had been the Raiders coming back, for reasons M Dogg and I have mentioned.
But it's not totally unheard of for people to root for teams that aren't local, particularly if it's one that is such a powerhouse -- look at the Bulls in the '90s. Yes, I liked the Lakers because they were local (but also my older brother loved them and so did my parents), but I was ALWAYS a Michael Jordan fan, and my family was too. So yeah, we rocked with the Bulls, and so did a lot of other people. It wasn't just Bloods wearing Bulls in the '90s, it was a lot of people, but obviously it was mostly for MJ and not necessarily the Bulls as an organization, but one comes with the other. And it's not like Shaq and/or Kobe didn't have fans in other cities but rocked the Lakers gear.
But that's the thing -- usually that out-of-state love for another team is usually based on that person appreciating a certain player, more so than liking that team over their own based off of the team's merits.
naah, its not an age thing, I'm telling u from my own experience.....if I had a family that was into football, cousins who played football, etc. then I woulda been into the raiders back then instead of the lakers. it just so happens that my grandfather and father were die-hard basketball heads before I was even born, so I followed in their footsteps. on the contrary, my girlfriends little cousins played football from a young age and were football fans from day 1. mdogg made a good point about basketball being more aesthetically pleasing. but still, I wasn't into football based on my surroundings. under different circumstances, I very well coulda been, despite age.
I dont fux wit people who only follow teams cuz they good....like bandwagon laker fans in the 00's, then heat fans in the early 10's, and now cavs/warriors fans. and if u like another man so much to root for a team based on that, I can't get down wit that neither. I like Kobe first and foremost cuz he was a laker. would I respect him if he played for a diff team? sure. but I wouldn't fux wit him like that. thats groupiesque to me.
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But it's easy to say that because you never had to see it happen. You never had to see your team move to another city, or your favorite player move to another team. So you have the convenience of not having had to face that dilemma, and it gives you the luxury of being able to say, you were loyal to this team, or you only liked Kobe because he was a Laker, but claim that you wouldn't "fux wit him like that" if he went to another team. We actually had to deal with that.
The reality is that anyone can spin anything to fit their narrative, and anyone can find a counterargument to why someone liking any given team for whatever reason is bogus. Just like how you can say you think it's "groupiesque" to like a team because of a certain player, you could say that liking a team because your older family members did is because you fell in line and didn't make your own decision by picking your own team, almost like going to the same college that all of your family members went to or that all of your friends are going to.
I've never claimed to be a die-hard fan of any NFL team, I just like certain ones but don't pretend to be hardcore into them. But that's why I like college football a little more, and it tends to generate more loyalty among fans. Since it's a school, it's staying put and not going anywhere. Transfers can happen, but players usually don't (unless they're further down the depth chart and want playing time elsewhere but those guys typically aren't generating headlines), so rosters generally don't change too much (or create a reason to sway fans elsewhere). Players will put in their 3+ years, then move onto the next level if they're good enough, then there's new blood.
Just my opinion though. Obviously ours differ but it's all good.
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But it's easy to say that because you never had to see it happen. You never had to see your team move to another city, or your favorite player move to another team. So you have the convenience of not having had to face that dilemma, and it gives you the luxury of being able to say, you were loyal to this team, or you only liked Kobe because he was a Laker, but claim that you wouldn't "fux wit him like that" if he went to another team. We actually had to deal with that.
The reality is that anyone can spin anything to fit their narrative, and anyone can find a counterargument to why someone liking any given team for whatever reason is bogus. Just like how you can say you think it's "groupiesque" to like a team because of a certain player, you could say that liking a team because your older family members did is because you fell in line and didn't make your own decision by picking your own team, almost like going to the same college that all of your family members went to or that all of your friends are going to.
I've never claimed to be a die-hard fan of any NFL team, I just like certain ones but don't pretend to be hardcore into them. But that's why I like college football a little more, and it tends to generate more loyalty among fans. Since it's a school, it's staying put and not going anywhere. Transfers can happen, but players usually don't (unless they're further down the depth chart and want playing time elsewhere but those guys typically aren't generating headlines), so rosters generally don't change too much (or create a reason to sway fans elsewhere). Players will put in their 3+ years, then move onto the next level if they're good enough, then there's new blood.
Just my opinion though. Obviously ours differ but it's all good.
nope...I like the lakers because they rep LA. my family liking basketball just helped get me into the sport. I made my own choice, as I coulda been a contrarian like many and rooted against the lakers, or not even liked basketball at all like many of my cousins. it's not comparable to liking players simply because u have a thing for them lmao. thats borderline suspect to me. I mean, u can be a fan of Jordan's game, no doubt, but to be a fan of the bulls just cuz Jordan plays for them is the stuff that fairweathers are made of imo...you can take that how u like, it's just weak to me.
ur right about me never having my team move, thats why I said id deal wit it accordingly if it ever happens when u brought up that hypothetical. but I know for a fact that I would never root for a team based on an individual. to me, that defeats the entire concept of team sports to begin with. not about the name on the back, but rather the name on the front.
good point about college teams not moving cities, but players definitely get replaced quicker than they do in the pros, so its hard to have a continual allegiance to the actual build of a team, as opposed to pro teams, where certain rosters can be about the same give or take for close to a decade...especially in basketball, where all the good players are one and done.
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Why you gotta make shit sound gay? Nobody has a "thing" for players, people appreciate athletes for their abilities, even in a team sport. Hence why the sports section regularly engages in top 5/10/20 NBA players of all time, and very rarely do those discussions revolve around what teams those players were on.
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Why you gotta make shit sound gay? Nobody has a "thing" for players, people appreciate athletes for their abilities, even in a team sport. Hence why the sports section regularly engages in top 5/10/20 NBA players of all time, and very rarely do those discussions revolve around what teams those players were on.
to me, the point of sports is to root for teams first, not individuals. rooting for teams based on individuals defeats the entire purpose. but if that's what u on, that's your prerogative. i can't tell u how to feel brodie. i'm a team guy, and like players based on the fact that they play for my team, not the other way around. like i said, u appreciating talent is normal, but liking an entire team based on a guy u like will always be weird to me.
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