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Some great heavyweights in that era.
-Lennox Lewis was truly a bad man. Seems like he never lost a fight and always appeared dominant and in control with that long jab he used to control fights and keep boxers away. Even the fight he lost to McCall the ref called that fight early with Lewis still on his feet and hungry to continue the fight. McCall talked a gang of shit and Lewis beat his ass so thoroughly in the next fight that he quit during that fight in what was a truly bizzare moment... even in boxing standards.
-Tyson was fucking insane in the 90's. With Cus gone, Atlas, and bobby Steward gone from his corner Mike went fucking nuts. And all types of hilarity and insanity ensued. Yet, through it all he was a personal favorite of most, and the hip-hop champ- coming to the ring to Pac music and shit like that.
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I mostly watched Tyson fights and Holyfield fights, till their careers fizzled. But later on I watched Fernando Vargas too since I was from Oxnard. I loved how he wasn't a punk and didn't sell out (and that was a big contrast between him and Oscar) but then he got shut up by Trinidad and then Oscar, and never quite recovered his career after that, especially since he got caught with some PEDs in his system, plus I remember around that time he caught some assault charges for a fight he got into in Santa Barbara or something.
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I mostly watched Tyson fights and Holyfield fights, till their careers fizzled. But later on I watched Fernando Vargas too since I was from Oxnard. I loved how he wasn't a punk and didn't sell out (and that was a big contrast between him and Oscar) but then he got shut up by Trinidad and then Oscar, and never quite recovered his career after that, especially since he got caught with some PEDs in his system, plus I remember around that time he caught some assault charges for a fight he got into in Santa Barbara or something.
I don't know a lot about Vargas, I was really only into the heavyweight division.
As for Holyfield, he was a really great fighter, very spiritual man. He didn't appear in the ring as a killer--he was all heart. He even quickly forgave Tyson for the ear biting incidents and his bouts with Riddick Bowe were classic. Maybe he lacked a bit of charisma in comparison to other 90s boxers like the afformentioned Tyson, Lewis-- or also Tommy Morrison or George Foreman--who can forget when foreman knocked out Michael Moore in an epic upset by an aged warrior. Moore was trained by tysons old trainer Atlas and you could even hear Atlas reminding Moore not to be baited into that punch but Foreman won the match with one good punch!!
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holyfield woulda gotten shitted on if he fought tyson in his prime
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But isn't Holyfield a good amount older than Tyson? Tyson at his prime would've also meant we'd see a younger Holyfield too. It's like saying Floyd didn't fight Manny at his prime -- which is true -- but with Floyd being older than Manny, we'd have seen a slightly fresher Floyd too.
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But isn't Holyfield a good amount older than Tyson? Tyson at his prime would've also meant we'd see a younger Holyfield too. It's like saying Floyd didn't fight Manny at his prime -- which is true -- but with Floyd being older than Manny, we'd have seen a slightly fresher Floyd too.
yea, but holyfield was still on top of his game....tyson was a whole nother animal in the late 80's-early 90's
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I wouldn't have mind seeing Riddick Bowe vs a prime Tyson or Lewis. Goddamn.
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Holyfeild beat Tysons in the Olympics
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I mostly watched Tyson fights and Holyfield fights, till their careers fizzled. But later on I watched Fernando Vargas too since I was from Oxnard. I loved how he wasn't a punk and didn't sell out (and that was a big contrast between him and Oscar) but then he got shut up by Trinidad and then Oscar, and never quite recovered his career after that, especially since he got caught with some PEDs in his system, plus I remember around that time he caught some assault charges for a fight he got into in Santa Barbara or something.
I don't know a lot about Vargas, I was really only into the heavyweight division.
As for Holyfield, he was a really great fighter, very spiritual man. He didn't appear in the ring as a killer--he was all heart. He even quickly forgave Tyson for the ear biting incidents and his bouts with Riddick Bowe were classic. Maybe he lacked a bit of charisma in comparison to other 90s boxers like the afformentioned Tyson, Lewis-- or also Tommy Morrison or George Foreman--who can forget when foreman knocked out Michael Moore in an epic upset by an aged warrior. Moore was trained by tysons old trainer Atlas and you could even hear Atlas reminding Moore not to be baited into that punch but Foreman won the match with one good punch!!
I was a HUGE Oscar fan. Like HUGE. So when Vargas was talking shit, I was so happy to see Oscar beat his ass. He picked him apart, and then when Vargas was too tired Oscar put him away. What's cool now is they work together to get LA fighters out there. Vargas is a trainer in LA, and he's working with Oscar to get his fighters promoted by Golden Boy. So they have a working relation, and it's all good.
To me, I was very sad with Moore losing. I was hoping he could be the undisputed champion, just because he was southpaw. I don't know why, but I like southpaw fighters.
And what people forget is that Razor Ruddock and Tyson had WARS. They had two fights, and both completely FUCKED each other up! I wish Tyson didn't lose to Douglas, because then people would have remembered the Ruddock/Tyson wars. Tyson did win the second fight, the first one was a toss up, and they should always be remembered.
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Really? I never heard about them working together, or even being on good terms. I remember recently watching an Oscar interview on YouTube (not sure when it was recorded but it was likely within the past couple of years) where he said he asked Vargas to meet up for lunch just to kind of make sure there weren't any issues, and they did meet up but Vargas didn't seem too interested in being buddy-buddy. Obviously they don't hate each other (at least not anymore) but I don't see them working together like that.
But yeah, Oscar kicked his ass in that fight, and it was definitely one of Oscar's best victories. But that was the start of Vargas's fall, since he seemed to get his ass kicked by everyone else after that too. When Mayorga beats you, then you need to quit the sport.
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Really? I never heard about them working together, or even being on good terms. I remember recently watching an Oscar interview on YouTube (not sure when it was recorded but it was likely within the past couple of years) where he said he asked Vargas to meet up for lunch just to kind of make sure there weren't any issues, and they did meet up but Vargas didn't seem too interested in being buddy-buddy. Obviously they don't hate each other (at least not anymore) but I don't see them working together like that.
But yeah, Oscar kicked his ass in that fight, and it was definitely one of Oscar's best victories. But that was the start of Vargas's fall, since he seemed to get his ass kicked by everyone else after that too. When Mayorga beats you, then you need to quit the sport.
Well, make no mistake about it, I don't think Vargas and Oscar will be exchanging Christmas cards, but they are two business people, and they are talking business. They don't have to like each other, but Vargas is training some really good boxers out LA, and Oscar wants to get the best boxers under Golden Boy. This is strictly business.
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holyfield woulda gotten shitted on if he fought tyson in his prime
Mid 90s steroid infested Holyfield wasn't going to get killed by anyone. There's guys that could have beaten him like Lennox Lewis but no one was goingredients to kill him. He was too good a boxer. Prime Tyson may have won but it'd be up to the judges.
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With Oscar, I feel like after his wins over JCC, he lost to every elite fighter with a name... Trinidad, Mosley, Hopkins, Floyd and Manny. Yeah, it's a good list and better than losing to bums, but it affects how I viewed the later half of his career. Had I not grown up in Oxnard, I probably wouldn't have cared about Vargas, so as satisfying of a win as that was for Oscar and his fans, it really wasn't anything too crazy since it's not like Vargas running the 154 division.
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With Oscar, I feel like after his wins over JCC, he lost to every elite fighter with a name... Trinidad, Mosley, Hopkins, Floyd and Manny. Yeah, it's a good list and better than losing to bums, but it affects how I viewed the later half of his career. Had I not grown up in Oxnard, I probably wouldn't have cared about Vargas, so as satisfying of a win as that was for Oscar and his fans, it really wasn't anything too crazy since it's not like Vargas running the 154 division.
There are 2 phases to Oscar's career, ducking people and getting all the wins possible and building your name, then fighting all the best fighters and making all the money possible. Oscar DID beat Felix, don't be lied to, but the others, yeah, they fucked him up. Mosley's fight at Staples, I remember that like it's yesterday. Once Oscar got his name out there, he'd fight a rabbit pitbull if the payday was right, as obvious by fight B Hop. He cashed in on his name, got his ass whooped but still sold a lot of PPV's. But was about that money. After all, what good is your name if you don't cash in.
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With Oscar, I feel like after his wins over JCC, he lost to every elite fighter with a name... Trinidad, Mosley, Hopkins, Floyd and Manny. Yeah, it's a good list and better than losing to bums, but it affects how I viewed the later half of his career. Had I not grown up in Oxnard, I probably wouldn't have cared about Vargas, so as satisfying of a win as that was for Oscar and his fans, it really wasn't anything too crazy since it's not like Vargas running the 154 division.
There are 2 phases to Oscar's career, ducking people and getting all the wins possible and building your name, then fighting all the best fighters and making all the money possible. Oscar DID beat Felix, don't be lied to, but the others, yeah, they fucked him up. Mosley's fight at Staples, I remember that like it's yesterday. Once Oscar got his name out there, he'd fight a rabbit pitbull if the payday was right, as obvious by fight B Hop. He cashed in on his name, got his ass whooped but still sold a lot of PPV's. But was about that money. After all, what good is your name if you don't cash in.
how did u feel about him bein a dragqueen on the low
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Just had the best heavyweight fight since the 90's last week. Joshua/Klitschko was unreal. Joshua 19-0 with 19 KO's. Leave the 90's where they were there is great boxing on the rise.
This weekend Chavez/Canelo. My nigga Errol Spence Jr. fighting Kell Brook in London soon. May 20th, I'll be at the Garden near ringside for Crawford/Diaz. Getting a Ward/Kovalev rematch. Hopefully Canelo/GGG by December. Best year in boxing in years. Let's appreciate the now, my G's.
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With Oscar, I feel like after his wins over JCC, he lost to every elite fighter with a name... Trinidad, Mosley, Hopkins, Floyd and Manny. Yeah, it's a good list and better than losing to bums, but it affects how I viewed the later half of his career. Had I not grown up in Oxnard, I probably wouldn't have cared about Vargas, so as satisfying of a win as that was for Oscar and his fans, it really wasn't anything too crazy since it's not like Vargas running the 154 division.
There are 2 phases to Oscar's career, ducking people and getting all the wins possible and building your name, then fighting all the best fighters and making all the money possible. Oscar DID beat Felix, don't be lied to, but the others, yeah, they fucked him up. Mosley's fight at Staples, I remember that like it's yesterday. Once Oscar got his name out there, he'd fight a rabbit pitbull if the payday was right, as obvious by fight B Hop. He cashed in on his name, got his ass whooped but still sold a lot of PPV's. But was about that money. After all, what good is your name if you don't cash in.
Yeah but it's hard to call the (official) loss to Trinidad a robbery when he even admitted he let off the gas. Should've closed out strong.
I don't mind him cashing in on his name... it justifies the fights but not the losses.
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Just had the best heavyweight fight since the 90's last week. Joshua/Klitschko was unreal. Joshua 19-0 with 19 KO's. Leave the 90's where they were there is great boxing on the rise.
This weekend Chavez/Canelo. My nigga Errol Spence Jr. fighting Kell Brook in London soon. May 20th, I'll be at the Garden near ringside for Crawford/Diaz. Getting a Ward/Kovalev rematch. Hopefully Canelo/GGG by December. Best year in boxing in years. Let's appreciate the now, my G's.
Who do you have winning? Canelo's better but Chavez is a BIG boy, and I bet he wants this one more than a lot of his other fights.
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Just had the best heavyweight fight since the 90's last week. Joshua/Klitschko was unreal. Joshua 19-0 with 19 KO's. Leave the 90's where they were there is great boxing on the rise.
This weekend Chavez/Canelo. My nigga Errol Spence Jr. fighting Kell Brook in London soon. May 20th, I'll be at the Garden near ringside for Crawford/Diaz. Getting a Ward/Kovalev rematch. Hopefully Canelo/GGG by December. Best year in boxing in years. Let's appreciate the now, my G's.
Who do you have winning? Canelo's better but Chavez is a BIG boy, and I bet he wants this one more than a lot of his other fights.
Yeah Canelo is definitely the more skilled fight. But yeah, I saw them the other day standing next to each other, didn't realize how much taller Chavez is.
They said this is the biggest fight in Mexican history. Both guys hate each other. I expect a war. Rooting for Chavez, Canelo should win.
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And it's not like Canelo is small either. But the two of them looks like Manny standing in front of basically any welterweight (aside from guys who moved up like he did, such as Marquez and Bradley).
I don't know if this is the "best" boxing year though. Aside from last weekend's heavyweight fight, I've felt let down so far, especially with how uneventful that last GGG fight was.
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With Oscar, I feel like after his wins over JCC, he lost to every elite fighter with a name... Trinidad, Mosley, Hopkins, Floyd and Manny. Yeah, it's a good list and better than losing to bums, but it affects how I viewed the later half of his career. Had I not grown up in Oxnard, I probably wouldn't have cared about Vargas, so as satisfying of a win as that was for Oscar and his fans, it really wasn't anything too crazy since it's not like Vargas running the 154 division.
There are 2 phases to Oscar's career, ducking people and getting all the wins possible and building your name, then fighting all the best fighters and making all the money possible. Oscar DID beat Felix, don't be lied to, but the others, yeah, they fucked him up. Mosley's fight at Staples, I remember that like it's yesterday. Once Oscar got his name out there, he'd fight a rabbit pitbull if the payday was right, as obvious by fight B Hop. He cashed in on his name, got his ass whooped but still sold a lot of PPV's. But was about that money. After all, what good is your name if you don't cash in.
how did u feel about him bein a dragqueen on the low
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I mean, how do I feel about Hulk Hogan being racist, Magic Johnson getting HIV, or any other hero that has flaws? 80's/90's sports stars and cocaine just seemed to go hand and hand.
With Oscar, I feel like after his wins over JCC, he lost to every elite fighter with a name... Trinidad, Mosley, Hopkins, Floyd and Manny. Yeah, it's a good list and better than losing to bums, but it affects how I viewed the later half of his career. Had I not grown up in Oxnard, I probably wouldn't have cared about Vargas, so as satisfying of a win as that was for Oscar and his fans, it really wasn't anything too crazy since it's not like Vargas running the 154 division.
There are 2 phases to Oscar's career, ducking people and getting all the wins possible and building your name, then fighting all the best fighters and making all the money possible. Oscar DID beat Felix, don't be lied to, but the others, yeah, they fucked him up. Mosley's fight at Staples, I remember that like it's yesterday. Once Oscar got his name out there, he'd fight a rabbit pitbull if the payday was right, as obvious by fight B Hop. He cashed in on his name, got his ass whooped but still sold a lot of PPV's. But was about that money. After all, what good is your name if you don't cash in.
Yeah but it's hard to call the (official) loss to Trinidad a robbery when he even admitted he let off the gas. Should've closed out strong.
I don't mind him cashing in on his name... it justifies the fights but not the losses.
I don't mind him losing. At least he took the fights. What's he going to do, duck challengers all day? No! If he's the boxer he was hyped up to be, then he'd fight the best fighters and beat them. Well he didn't win. No one puts Oscar up there with Sugar Ray Robinson. But they do put him as one of the most important boxing figures and biggest draws. I can live with that.
Just had the best heavyweight fight since the 90's last week. Joshua/Klitschko was unreal. Joshua 19-0 with 19 KO's. Leave the 90's where they were there is great boxing on the rise.
This weekend Chavez/Canelo. My nigga Errol Spence Jr. fighting Kell Brook in London soon. May 20th, I'll be at the Garden near ringside for Crawford/Diaz. Getting a Ward/Kovalev rematch. Hopefully Canelo/GGG by December. Best year in boxing in years. Let's appreciate the now, my G's.
I have to watch that fight. Actually both. I got Canelo winning. I don't think boxing has much left in terms of popularity, but the boxing recently seems to be really good. I will have to watch back some fights. The good thing about boxing, you can watch a whole fight after the fight and be entertained.
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And just like that, boxing is now dead again... man.
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that canelo fight was a bad look
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Yeah, the GGG fight wouldn't do anything to improve that, and the potential Mayweather/McGregor will be a huge joke.
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i think ggg-canelo will be much better
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Yeah, the GGG fight wouldn't do anything to improve that, and the potential Mayweather/McGregor will be a huge joke.
People are starting to wise up, and hopefully the promotional companies involved will too and realize that while Floyd is still marketable, people are kind of over him at this point and aren't buying into whatever garbage fight he wants to put out where it's the same actionless fight that we've been seeing. He's not going to generate nearly as much revenue as before, so they won't be able to throw him these crazy guarantees anymore. The financials don't add up anymore, so hopefully it'll just push him into obscurity if he's firm on the big paydays.
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Arum mentioned something... assuming Manny gets past Horn as we expect him to, what would y'all think about Pacquiao-Macgregor? It probably won't generate the same gross revenue as Mayweather-Macgregor, but it would probably be a more entertaining fight (since Manny engages) and more profitable too (since Manny likely isn't going to demand a nine-figure guarantee).
I wouldn't mind seeing that, and then maybe the winner of that would get Floyd's 50th fight (which is more likely than Floyd fighting GGG), and either of them coming out on top would make a pretty good case for a Floyd fight.
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lol no thnx
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But would you agree that it would be more entertaining than Floyd and Conor?
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But would you agree that it would be more entertaining than Floyd and Conor?
i think mcgregor would get washed faster by manny
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McGregor has no chance against either.
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McGregor has no chance against either.
yes, but it would be a longer fight vs floyd
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I was wondering how difficult the transition would be for a UFC fighter to go to boxing, particularly when shit goes bad and maybe they react on instinct. Like if they're close and locked up, is it at all likely that they might throw a knee? I ask because when I was younger I took a year of jiu jitsu, and when I tried out wrestling in high school, I was taught the basics but found in the beginning when I was in trouble on the mat, is instinctually do jiu jitsu grappling moves that were all illlegal. Then I'd have to run laps afterward as my punishment.
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But isn't Holyfield a good amount older than Tyson? Tyson at his prime would've also meant we'd see a younger Holyfield too. It's like saying Floyd didn't fight Manny at his prime -- which is true -- but with Floyd being older than Manny, we'd have seen a slightly fresher Floyd too.
From what I've seen the two pretty much came up together. So Tyson and Holyfield are legit peers in the industry. I mean as someone one said they were at the Olympics together--even Lewis was there at the Olympics at the same time.
The real different was Mikes meteoric rise at such a young age really shocked the world. But I consider them all peers as far as age goes, Holyfield, Mike, and Lewis.
Which is why as a Tyson fan it's such a shame we didn't get to see him box Lewis and Holyfield until he was in his 30's. Tyson didn't match up well against Lewis--all Lewis had to do was stick to the game plan of using the jab to keep Tyson at a distance and then tying him up whenever Tyson got close. I hated that strategy of always tying Tyson up--nobody wanted to stand toe to toe cause he was a killer once he got in.
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I mostly watched Tyson fights and Holyfield fights, till their careers fizzled. But later on I watched Fernando Vargas too since I was from Oxnard. I loved how he wasn't a punk and didn't sell out (and that was a big contrast between him and Oscar) but then he got shut up by Trinidad and then Oscar, and never quite recovered his career after that, especially since he got caught with some PEDs in his system, plus I remember around that time he caught some assault charges for a fight he got into in Santa Barbara or something.
I don't know a lot about Vargas, I was really only into the heavyweight division.
As for Holyfield, he was a really great fighter, very spiritual man. He didn't appear in the ring as a killer--he was all heart. He even quickly forgave Tyson for the ear biting incidents and his bouts with Riddick Bowe were classic. Maybe he lacked a bit of charisma in comparison to other 90s boxers like the afformentioned Tyson, Lewis-- or also Tommy Morrison or George Foreman--who can forget when foreman knocked out Michael Moore in an epic upset by an aged warrior. Moore was trained by tysons old trainer Atlas and you could even hear Atlas reminding Moore not to be baited into that punch but Foreman won the match with one good punch!!
I was a HUGE Oscar fan. Like HUGE. So when Vargas was talking shit, I was so happy to see Oscar beat his ass. He picked him apart, and then when Vargas was too tired Oscar put him away. What's cool now is they work together to get LA fighters out there. Vargas is a trainer in LA, and he's working with Oscar to get his fighters promoted by Golden Boy. So they have a working relation, and it's all good.
To me, I was very sad with Moore losing. I was hoping he could be the undisputed champion, just because he was southpaw. I don't know why, but I like southpaw fighters.
And what people forget is that Razor Ruddock and Tyson had WARS. They had two fights, and both completely FUCKED each other up! I wish Tyson didn't lose to Douglas, because then people would have remembered the Ruddock/Tyson wars. Tyson did win the second fight, the first one was a toss up, and they should always be remembered.
You're right. The Ruddock wars do get overlooked. Ruddock deserves a lot of credit for going toe to toe with Tyson in those days.
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I mostly watched Tyson fights and Holyfield fights, till their careers fizzled. But later on I watched Fernando Vargas too since I was from Oxnard. I loved how he wasn't a punk and didn't sell out (and that was a big contrast between him and Oscar) but then he got shut up by Trinidad and then Oscar, and never quite recovered his career after that, especially since he got caught with some PEDs in his system, plus I remember around that time he caught some assault charges for a fight he got into in Santa Barbara or something.
I don't know a lot about Vargas, I was really only into the heavyweight division.
As for Holyfield, he was a really great fighter, very spiritual man. He didn't appear in the ring as a killer--he was all heart. He even quickly forgave Tyson for the ear biting incidents and his bouts with Riddick Bowe were classic. Maybe he lacked a bit of charisma in comparison to other 90s boxers like the afformentioned Tyson, Lewis-- or also Tommy Morrison or George Foreman--who can forget when foreman knocked out Michael Moore in an epic upset by an aged warrior. Moore was trained by tysons old trainer Atlas and you could even hear Atlas reminding Moore not to be baited into that punch but Foreman won the match with one good punch!!
I was a HUGE Oscar fan. Like HUGE. So when Vargas was talking shit, I was so happy to see Oscar beat his ass. He picked him apart, and then when Vargas was too tired Oscar put him away. What's cool now is they work together to get LA fighters out there. Vargas is a trainer in LA, and he's working with Oscar to get his fighters promoted by Golden Boy. So they have a working relation, and it's all good.
To me, I was very sad with Moore losing. I was hoping he could be the undisputed champion, just because he was southpaw. I don't know why, but I like southpaw fighters.
And what people forget is that Razor Ruddock and Tyson had WARS. They had two fights, and both completely FUCKED each other up! I wish Tyson didn't lose to Douglas, because then people would have remembered the Ruddock/Tyson wars. Tyson did win the second fight, the first one was a toss up, and they should always be remembered.
You're right. The Ruddock wars do get overlooked. Ruddock deserves a lot of credit for going toe to toe with Tyson in those days.
Only reason Ruddock fought Tyson was because Holyfield was ducking him. He was good. I have a lot of respect for Rudduck. He took Tyson to the limits back when everyone feared him.